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- If it ain't challenging, what's the point?
Part 1: • Open world traversal S...
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Script, VO, animations, editing:
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Thanks to Luker for reading some lines:
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Death Stranding intro footage from Sourcespy:
• Death Stranding - Full...
0:00 - Intro
1:01 - Red Dead Redemption 2
2:55 - Meandering around in the intro
4:05 - DS3 and Elden Ring
7:34 - Death Stranding
17:27 - Categorizing it all
18:33 - Satisfactory
19:59 - A Short Hike
21:34 - Outer Wilds
28:55 - secret ending (secret) - เกม
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My fart literally just smelt like perfume. Not sure if that's because I was watching your video at the time
Stop eating perfume
thats such a cool compliment. im going to use that in the future
@@drgonzo123*drinking
@@alex.g7317he means eating the bottle too
@@chebryan ah, makes sense
this is a cinematic masterpiece 11/10
Yessssss
So what you’re saying is….Death Stranding is the Dark Souls of walking games
I hate that I can't refute this
The paper animations look great!
Glad you like em! They're one of the main reasons this video took so long to come out, but we finally settled on a good system by the end of it. I expect they'll be in more videos.
This entire video was a psyop to talk about outer wilds and I love it
You've seen through my plan
Love seeing Outer Wilds get more of the love that it deserves
Agreed
Barely hyped up or covered, however I still played it and enjoyed it, which was surprising since I had to stop myself from looking at any videos of it, because they were literally just playthroughs
Man I wish I could get into that game but I’ve probably listened to the soundtrack 1000 times
your narration is so impressive, this is some ridiculously high production value for such a small channel and i’m praying you guys get the attention. you deserve
Seriously, top class
That is the most organized factory I have ever seen in Satisfactory.
I have a problem
I have 1 160 hour save file its not pretty
As an avid player of Kerbal Space Program and a certified space geek, I had a VERY different experience with the movement mechanics of Outer Wilds from most people. One of the very first things I did was go get the Hotshot achievement (I had no spoilers going in, I just saw the object and went and touched it). Thanks for listening, I just felt the need to share.
This was an incredible video to watch. Your notebook paper animations are stylish and engaging and your video structure and points were well thought out and entertaining while still being informative. Thank you for your hard work and for sharing this video with us.
Thanks, that means a lot!! I always hope that the algorithm picks up our videos, but even if that doesn't happen, at least I can say I made something I'm proud of.
It's crazy that you talk about open world without ever mentioning RDR2
I'm a bad youtuber
Amazing video. I loved death stranding the more I played it and you showed off something i couldnt quite put into words. Excited to see what you do next.
same
All the effort paid off, this turned out great!
Really enjoyed your tone, speed and editing. Subbed
“When did all of you get here?”
It’s only just about to hit 30k, buddy. You got a storm coming.
There is a storm that is approaching…
It's me, I am the storm.
My one real big gripe with how Death Stranding uses frustration in its design is that while yes, throughout the experience the game's main mechanic becomes less frustrating, it never (for me at least) becomes any more fun, none of the upgrades and new structures are really fun to me, the weapons are a bit creative and enjoyable but the game actively punishes you for killing or just engaging in combat at all, mostly due to how bare-bones and, again, frustrating it is and I know the game is actively trying to discourage combat, but nothing else is even close to being fun.
I'd argue the game is never fun.
To me it honestly feel like someone keeping you in a windowless tiny room and feeding you once a month, only to then add a poster of the beach and two bland, tasteless meals a day; I mean that's better, sure, I still wouldn't want that ever.
It didn't click with me until I had built out the first stretch of highway, at that point the package delivery loop almost became addictive.
But man, this is the kind of game where it'll either click with you, or it won't. I've given up on trying to convince anybody to like something, because people's brains just work too differently.
I gotta give you kudos for sticking with it for as long as you did though, Death Stranding is all too easy to give up on.
The writing in this video is beyond brilliant.
this comment made my day 🥹
have an interaction hopefully youtube gets its shit together at some point and stops hiding videos this well produced in favour of 10 second shitposts
Walking is actually my favorite part of Death Stranding.
3:16 i like the detail of the crowd cheering outside when he “Finally” talks about Death Stranding 😂
Being annoyed at open world games is a strong indicator of strand-like tendencies and RDR2-induced frontal lobe shrinkage. Take your meds, camlord.
The fake out vpn sponsor bit was *chef's kiss*
Really *really* good video essay man. Well structured and thought out. Keep up the good work!
Production value going up chief 😁 I like the paper animation effect
15:54 i had my skipping-finger ready cause you that really sounded like it was about to be a [redacted]VPN sponsorship. You got me lol
Holy shit your channel is gonna boom soon. This is awesome
Bro your channel is severely underrated. I can't express how much I like your narration and editing style, it's unreal you only have 70k subs
I remember playing Death Stranding and spending time just building roads and recharge stations.
Da king is back baby he neva miss
Bro you deserve 1millions subs your content is incredible, I hope you pop off!
when you said "the journey is the destination," it reminded me of, well, Journey, a very prominent example of "any moment you spend with the game is the reward in itself," and i think all games should strive to be this. in fact, many games are already this without even trying to be. sometimes the appeal of the open world game that it sets the stage and then lets you play it however you want to, but i think it's interesting how an open world game doesn't automatically translate to a great experience, while many linear games manage to do this. that would be an interesting topic to talk about.
Have you ever played the Pathless? Admittedly the movement system can eventually wear thin and no map drives me up the wall for such a large world, but it's the king of decently interesting world, but we're here for the zooming around it
16:00 something triggered in my brain to press the 5sec skip button 30 times as always as if it was a trauma reaction.... but then you went a completly different route lmao
Incredibly compelling writing dude! Your channel’s by far my favorite youtube discovery of the last few months!
Great video, really shocked this doesn’t have more views. I love your content and art style, you definitely deserve more attention
First of all, I’m hooked. You make great videos and I just discovered them, so thanks to TH-cam for finally showing my new content.
Second, I didn’t know Arthur could be startled by a train! The game that keeps on giving.
Finally, your art and editing are perfect. The jazz drum track at the halfway mark, under your traversal in Death Stranding fits so well, I don’t even know what to say. Great job man! I am now a fan and subscriber.
Its always fascinating to see how different people react to different games like these - how some are able to get that intrinsic click, how some have no possible way to connect with a piece, ect.. Fundamentally, I can understand the message behind the "endure frustration and then triumph over it" sort of deal, but those types of games almost never seem to click with me. The large amount of time spent failing and in frustration ruins any amount of fun, and even when I can finally get past something, it rarely ever has that satisfaction everyone seems to talk about getting after triumph. (Maybe it's a neurodivergent thing, who knows). I know most of these types of games could never be for me, but its fascinating to see the differences between not only the games themselves, but the players too :]
(It's been pretty interesting playing Hollow Knight with this issue actually - I love the world, style, and exploration; but I'm not very good at the battles without a lot of help/upgrades, so the battles can very quickly get tedious)
This video originally started off as "Here are some open world games with fun traversal mechanics," but the thesis completely changed when my brother and I both played Outer Wilds.
I almost immediately fell in love, but the attitude of "the fun is out there, you just gotta find it" ended up being way too much of a pain for him, and he never finished it. At first I wanted to try and convince him to give it another chance, but our brains are wired differently.
It's not realistic to try and make something click with somebody, you just gotta figure out what works for you.
I feel the same way honestly. For me games are supposed to be fun, because my life is already full of struggles that I need to overcome. So for me if a game is frustrating, it has lost me. That's not to say I don't like a good challenge, but suffering for the sake of suffering and grinding in a game is not something I enjoy after a long day of grinding tasks during work/ school. At least in real life it has some benefits, while in the virtual world all you get is the feeling and maybe some ingame items. Games aren't supposed to be a second job, at least that's the way I feel about it. But of course, everyone enjoys different experiences.
Hope you finished hollow knight, i hated that game until i beat "The Mantis Lords" then it just clicked for me and i kept on playing, that was 3 years ago, i have since played the game at least 10 times, and can confidently say that it is my favourite game. Its just weird that for some people, the game already clicks within the first 10 minutes, some with the first boss, and some give up on it before reaching any major upgrades.
"the click" is such a fascinating thing in video games, it happens with different games, in different stages of those games, for all different people. It has happened multiple times, one i vividly remember (Other than Hollow Knight of course) was sekiro, that game for me was almost the same story as hollow knight, i hated the game, thought it was bullshit, and then i beat Genichiro without being hit once, and oh my god that feeling was beyond any form of satisfaction i have ever gotten from any other form of media, and now its my favourite souls-like.
I really hope you kept on playing hollow knight, because even if you stopped playing within the first 3 hours, i get it, i did the same thing, it was actually my third attempt where i followed through until it clicked, but the game really only gets better as you go along, and i can recommend it to anyone. So if you stopped playing, i get it, but i would hope that you would try again, and even if youre not having fun, just push through until it "clicks"
@@turbotoke8882 got over 50 hours in and pretty much end-game, able to fight the end boss or go for the harder endings, with only a few remaining bosses such as collector and mantis traitor and such. It's been left in that state for months though, save for the few times I tried to do the flower quest or fight the collector and failed - I'm hoping that I can manage to finish it some day, but I dunno when that will be.
Also wanted to mention that, despite how I still ended up loving hollow knight after playing and watching others play, my own fear definently took some of the fun away from me. I'm always a super skittish and careful player in games, so I end up exploring everything possible before having to continue a story and fighting a boss. It's cool that hollow knight can allow for this, but I found myself exploring everything, getting over-leveled, and breezing past a handful of bosses without much satisfaction for it, then immidiently getting stuck on harder bosses after. It happens in a lot of games for me, but hollow knight really showed me how this sorta playstyle can be a big detriment. "Players will maximize the fun out of a game," as so many say.
But regardless of my own issues, the game has definently let me broaded my gaming horizons quite a lot! I've taken a bit more risks in games, doing more action ones and taking my time. Kinda helps that they're more linear and therefore I'm forced to defeat the boss before moving on, but y'know. Would very much recomend The Messenger :]
@@TheAstralBlade Oh thats awesome man, you cant really get "overleveled" in hollow knight, because all of the pale ore and mask shards are hidden in a way that you cant get them all without having a specific ability, like the double jump or wall jump.
is that a 3d model of the drawn looking guy of you
It is! The animation is a hybrid of 3D and 2D. Might be worth making a behind the scenes video, it was a pretty fun effect to put together.
I just picked up on the satisfactory music half through he video. Amazing
I LOVE THESE GAMES!
Death stranding
Death stranding
Death stranding
…very good video. Came here from your Spiderman 2 one! Love the generally relaxed feel of your videos, without them being dragged out or overly long!
this guy loves games. the editing is so cool!!! great video and writing and animations, lads! :)
I like this video alot, nice job cam we're proud.
I went in expecting the video would be about Death Stranding but its more so about videogame traversal... Which I guess you didn't explicitly state in the title that it was ABOUT DS, but the intro kind had me thinking thats how the video would... package itself as. I thought it would constantly relate back to DS but it served more as another example in the list of games that related to the REAL theme of the video: videogame traversal. However, you made very good points about every game you talked about that I found myself nodding my head to clapping my hands and feet to like those crash cymbal monkey toys
TLDR:
I love the video and agree with or was intruiged by all the points you made HOWEVER your focus on death stranding in the beginning didn't really lend itself to be as important as what your REAL argument was.
Really enjoying your videos man 👌🏾
I would put death stranding in that 4th category as well tbh
Awesome intro. It was really neat.
Before you made the post, i had no clue that this exited. Awesome!
wait, you ONLY have 30'000 subscribers?? I cannot believe the amount of work you put into this video, aswell as the dope animation bits which must have taken quite a while, great stuff I'm subscribing and going on a binge while coding c:
This was eyeopening. Thanks Camwig.
I played outer wilds and its true, you can go to the end if you already know how to. but it would be very short if it was told to you. good video. 👍
I went to subscribe and found I was already subscribed. Great video!
I love the background music on this one.
The difference between a linear game like Dark Souls et al and an open world game w/non-linear content is when you die in a linear game (regardless of how brutally difficult the combat gameplay is), you are FORCED to try, die, try again, rinse, repeat, over and over, until you finally beat the game (traversal is an after thought because the world is SO DENSE with combat encounters and forward movement -- the whole damn point). With a good open world (where traversal may still seem mundane, but the world is still dense with "stuff" to do), you can AT LEAST say "F that" I'm doing something COMPLETELY different OVER HERE that ISN'T just combat, like helping a farmer find his daughter who ran off with the local bard.
18:07 the Satisfaction most grow.
I think Minecraft does a good job with traversal.
Walking is slow, but generally there's going to be a block worth mining in a 20 second walking radius.
Running is faster, but burns through hunger. Add jumping for more speed and visual flair, but eat through even more food. Further progression requires further distances. Maybe it's time to upgrade to a more nourishing food before starting a long trip or end up eating every minute of the trip. The todo list quietly expands.
Boats are fast, but only on water and ice. Any body of water can become an expediated travel opportunity. And there are items and structures that only spawn near or around water, slipping the player into a new domain of content.
At the pinnacle of travel: the elytra. Elytras are OP. High speed flight achieved with no infrastructure. But to unlock their full potential players need to: 1) Defeat the Ender Dragon 2) Explore the End to find one 3) Obtain stockpiles of fireworks 4) Get Unbreaking III and Mending enchantments 5) Have a reliable method of getting XP.
And then there's infrastructure. Run'n'jumping speeds can be increased with short ceilings. Minecarts are AFK and faster than running, but require precious resources. Ice paths for boats are very fast, but at the cost of sometimes 1000s of ice. All of these can be sped up by 8x when using the Nether to travel. It requires more planning, resources, and exposure to danger, but a player in Minecraft end game can travel 100x faster across the world than a fresh player.
All of this also ties into encouraging something Minecraft excels at: community and information sharing. New players don't stumble upon building ice boat highways in the Nether. Many players have tested and measured many parts of the game and then share what they've learned or invented. These improvements are gated by game knowledge and time spent on that world, not skill points in a perk tree.
*PS the list could be a lot longer.
I've never even thought of how many movement mechanics Minecraft has but you're so right.
There's also ender pearls being significantly faster than running but costing health
Chorus fruit being able to teleport you through walls but it's random
Bubble elevators and block elevators being static fixtures but letting you go up and down very fast
Water bucket and boat clutches completely negating fall damage
Slime block launchers for something completely impractical but fun
Flying machines having infinite AFK traversal potential but being only able to go in one direction at a time and unintuitive and slow to set up
TNT cannons being able to launch you VERY far but you'll probably die doing it
Pearl stasis chambers being able to teleport you across the whole map instantly but requiring multiplayer (or some timing mechanism) and for the stasis chamber to be loaded in
Swimming... Which is just swimming
Going prone on land to fit in smaller gaps but making you slower
The various mounts that aren't horses
Riptide tridents letting you go super fast in water and giving you a more dangerous type of flight when it rains
And then of course everything that increases your speed or gives you a status effect (depth strider, soul speed, dolphins, speed potions, levitation, and slow falling)
There's really a lot for a game that's not really all too concerned with movement on the surface
disco elysium fits great into "The journey is the destination" type of game. Its truly incredible.
This videos editing is amazing
Brilliant video! Death stranding sounds fascinating, but I've nowhere near enough time/energy for that kind of thing anymore. Your description of it actually kinda reminds me of my experience reading Jules Verne’s 20,000 (or however many) leagues under the sea as a teenager. There were parts where I shared the main character’s feelings of boredom and being trapped, and when I got to the end I felt the relief of finally climbing out of the submarine and filling my lungs with fresh air. It wasn’t always a _fun_ read, but in the end I loved that I got to experience the same feelings as the characters.
16:10 - you got me. Oh my god the suspense. Brilliant. I love it.
I have never played or watched someone play Satisfactory, and you made me want to watch an entire series of you just playing it.
Please let me know you have more footage… ❤
Great video, btw.
Satisfactory is dangerous, if I start playing it, it'll turn into the thing I do that day. Not sure what it would be, but I would love to do a video dedicated to it.
Awesome video, I really want to play outer wilds now
Replay it*
I’ve played it before
Great video. I bought Outer Wilds just now, guess that'll be my next weekend or two.
I have to say that the open world of elden ring brings a problem of replayability (and mostly all open world games tbh but with elden ring it stings since I want to replay it). In the souls games, I replay often because I want to use other weapons and builds, or just go through the challenge again for fun, and I have stuff to do all the game, but in elden ring, you just go from point a to point b with your horse to get the weapons and materials you need and then just go to the bosses, there is little incentive to fight whatever is in the middle of the road if you don't want to get an item that is there (and sometimes you can just ignore the enemies and get the item anyways like with the golden seeds or stones to upgrade weapons) so you are left with boring movement and boring world.
Also loved the outer wilds section of the video, that game does get how to make the fact that you can't replay it feel worth it
I'd be very interested to see where Rain World would be for you in relation to these games :)
Rainworld has been on my list for a while, I'd love an excuse to check it out. I've got a few ideas that it might fit into pretty well
I love this video so much I turned vinegar off so you could get ad revenue
i have no idea how you did the animation in this one but WOW it's incredible
I've been thinking about doing a behind the scenes video, the animation was pretty fun to figure out
My friend made some sort of interstate system that was one of the most highly rated builds in the game. No idea how it works or what exactly it entailed because I don’t play the game but I thought it was cool how many people liked it
movement is a puzzle with multiple solutions, and the reward for solving it better is speed
awesome storytelling!
man, Outer Wilds is one of those games that I wish I could experience for the first time, rather than watching a playthrough of it
I need more videos from Cam
Working on it! We should have another one coming out shortly before Halloween.
WalkHome syndrome should be a label on the box for the second game
Like a big gold sticker
I was not expecting the Razbutan reference
The satisfactory music 🥹
OuterWild's controls and movement I feel is also relatable to Kerbal Space Program. In KSP, you have to learn how to build your ship, and also how to operate the vastness of space itself. When things go wrong, it's up to you to figure out what to do about it. After all, you did build that rocket, so if anyone knows what to do, it is yourself. People struggle to get off the ground safely and the moment you do finally break atmosphere, it's a major achievement.
However, you have to figure everything out, and that, in turn, also pulls itself into Death Stranding territory. It can takes HOURS before you finally get something going that you are happy with. Depending on your gamemode (I prefer Science, but the normal campaign is also okay), knowledge and experience is what makes you triumph over the obstacles, and go from bottle rocket to full interplanetary exploration.
outer wilds does have a vr mod and it's magical!
Man, Satisfactory... I want to build organized factories so bad, but I always end up slapping together spaghetti to unlock everything. "No, it's fine. I'll just get plastics unlocked, THEN, I'll clean this mess up...... I mean, it's bad, but once I have aluminum, I can really clean it up good. I'll do it then........... Okay, so, that's the particle accelerator. Everything's unlocked and... Oh... I'm done... I guess I could start a new save..... No, no, this time, I'm gonna do it right, juuuust as soon as I've got all the coal stuff up and running.
That said, I always appreciated the movement mechanics. I was really sad to see the zipline speed nerfed, though. I know why they had to do it, and they made up for it in other ways, but it was soooo fun, before!
Satisfactory is a problem for me, I'll play for most of the day if nobody stops me. It's so ridiculously fun
Looks like I should try picking death stranding back up.
I think rdr2 deserves some credit for its horse riding controlls, they are so insanely much better at conveying riding an actual horse than anything else ive seen.
I haven't played outer wilds yet, but it's description kind of reminds me of another game with a similar category but 2d and a lot lower budget called Reventure.
In that one the entire world isn't too big, but it has a lot of different paths you can take. It is built on the bones of a platformer.
But is really about exploring to get little blurbs of text or short animations or a character skin. And it has like hundreds of endings, most of which are technically about 2-3 minutes away from the start. But you pick up objects that give you new movement/attack options, but each one has weight, so your basic jump gets shorter the more stuff you carry. And practically everything cross-interacts. It was also very cheap but a lot of fun.
The game-play you showed of outer wilds looked even more fun though.
I literally snorted out loud laughing when you said, "Speaking of games you'll find in Rasputin videos." LOL 21:32
I was straight up addicted to satisfactory for a month and outer wilds is my favorite game. It was a nice surprise seeing them.
I was also surprised when I finished the video and it didn't have more views, good video man
18:00 is that satisfactory music? Great goddamn taste lol
Aaand that explains it
another fire video
So, I got hit by the rain that makes you old.
The rain that makes you old?
Yeah man the rain that makes you old.
Excuse me?
I gotta tell you about this rain. It made me old.
You have to know that’s not possible.
Look at me man. I’m old as hell.
good video 👍
The video was released 1 minute ago bro you havent watched it yet
@@blazicky I had early access, see how my comment was posted an hour before yours?
Bcels seething over Achads
The transition at 5:31 😮💨
I only saw one other person calling it out, but I wanted to let you know that I really appreciated the "walk home syndrome" pun. That's good shit.
I'm glad that he points out that Outer Wilds won't be for everyone. I played that game for several hours and the entire time I was incredibly bored. Even after looking up a guide and playing with that for a little bit, everything felt like a slog to get to and through. I want to enjoy Outer Wilds, especially because I love Subnautica and Terraria and many other games that are super exploration-heavy, but Outer Wilds just isn't it for me. I know it's quality, but I think my taste in games just isn't what Outer Wilds has to offer me.
My brother does a lot of editing for these videos, so we both played Outer Wilds to prep for it, and I was amazed at how very different our experiences were.
I'm obviously a big fan, but it really does require a specific type of player to connect with this game in the way you probably see in most reviews.
Reviewing art is hard, because whether or not it achieves what it was trying to accomplish is only one half of the equation, the other half being whether or not it clicks with the person consuming it, and that's obviously completely subjective.
I completely understand your point of view. I loved playing Outer Wilds, specially at the beginning. But i actually got bored by the end because to end the game you have to do things in a specific order and it just became frustrating the try and error repetition. I still enjoyed the game and loved the ending, it was totally worthy, specially because i did not know anything about the game or the story.
But I also can see why people dislike the game. I t is not for everyone. And that is fine.
underrated video and channel
I wish dying light was mentioned, its one of the worlds i had more fun traverssing thanks to the great atmosphere and the god tier movement
23:40 rip echo vr 🥲
how does this only have 5k views this is amazingly well produced
The algorithm works in mysterious and often terrible ways
i hope u get blessed by it soon u deserve it @@camwing
!!!animated host!!!
The economy joke is why more people should subscribe to this channel.
christ this needs more views
you make me think of krealtube, i love kreal, i love you now, subscribed
you should talk about armored core
Oh yeah, I dunno how I haven't gotten around to playing that one yet. I might even have time to play it now that I'm done with this video, heh
@@camwing it’s a really good game, and quite different from what you usually see in the AAA industry.
It’s also nice to see how fromsoft does games that need very satisfying and interesting movement (they are very good at it, the feeling of moving around in your mech is both satisfying and accessible.)
Deserves more views.
TH-cams algorith is the worst, i've been dying for your sort of content for ages but i just get recommended garbage. Hope you can keep making amazing videos
Some of my videos blow up, and some of them completely fly under the radar. It's a bit of a mystery to me at this point, but I'm glad people still appreciate this video, because it's definitely one of my favorites.
@@camwing Yeah that's fuckin rough. Half of my favourite channels just stopped getting suggested to me entirely, But you're building a backlog of some big dog views videos so soon you'll get that consistency.