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- Tears of The Kingdom and Spider-Man 2 have a surprising amount in common as the sequels that "fixed" the problems of predecessors.
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That point about a failure state for acrobatic traversal is really insightful! I would have never put that into words but it makes so much sense when spelled out!
Huge part of why it was so much fun in Arkham City imo. Ironic considering Batman as a character is pretty much the opposite of Spider-Man, not being known for all those little failures.
GMTK has a great video about this, about earning the fantasy vs being given it.
Legend has it that to this day, camwing's swinging test has still not been interrupted.
Goddamn the production value on these vids keeps getting better and better, it's always a treat to watch
Radioactive spider-induced frontal lobe shrinkage. Take your meds, Parker
The problem with New York being used as a videogame setting is I’ve already been there. And I don’t feel like going there three more times lol.
I live there and I love it, but my house was replaced with Forest Hills and I'm not mad about that I totally didn't want to go to my house as Spider-Man which is why I said I'm not mad I'm not mad I'm not. *cries on the inside*
@@davidbjacobs3598that’ll be so cool to see your own house in the game!
I dont want to play in real cities. Give some crazy ass mega city that couldnt exist in real life. Its a videogame. Go crazy. Or make a fake comic booky uber new york
@@davidbjacobs3598My apartment building & my place of work is actually in the Spider-Man games.
If they're going to make a Spider-Man 3 and have it also set in NYC.......maybe, just maybe, it might be innovative to make a 1:1 map of Manhatten this time? Push the boundaries a little.
The thing I missed the most in SM2 is the taskmaster missions, doing the stealth or drone chases or combat challenges. The were fun to redo and let me use the full capability of the toolkit the game provides. SM2 just has mysterio
opposite for me, i despised the taskmaster and especially the screwball challenges so im happy they're gone
I don't care for those much, the combat challenges were fun but the drone and bomb challenges can go
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070the bomb ones weren’t that bad.
@@DanialDEcool they definitely didn't need to exist though
With some games, unlocking a new section of the map feels like an accomplishment when it's actually a challenge to get to a new section. I still remember as a kid unlocking a whole new section of super metroid. I wonder if that's what they were going for here. But in a game like Spiderman where you can just tarzan swing across the map and unlock them all, it's not a cool discovery or a milestone of accomplishment. It's just an awkward chore you can knock out in 10 min. (Even tho the web slingin itself is really fun.)
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@@thepurestvessel9249 they call me ranch cuz i be dressin
I much prefer the GTA V approach, where you're free to go wherever you want right away, but you don't actually have to go everywhere to discover/unlock something. Similar thing with Watch Dogs, where the whole map is open, you just need to hack the ctos center in the district to use hacks. I got most of the collectibles in the 2018 Spider man, and that really burned me out of the game, enough that when i finished it, I didn't bother getting Miles Morales. I'd forgotten how checklisty this game would be, and I'm glad I don't have a PS5 to have bought it, cuz I would have put it down really soon after. Maybe in a few years.
I mean unlocking areas doesn’t work here, what’s stopping spiderman from just swinging over there, nothing
Why would it be an accomplishment to discover New York lol sheesh u want a pat on the back for everything?
Swinging around the city is my favorite thing to do…because yeah it feels so satisfying.
Really not sure what people expected for Spider-Man 2.. you guys want a whole new game? They added more traversal, more combos, better fighting, better missions, better story. I mean.. what more do you want lol...
hah yeah that's true somebody should make a video about that I think
Better story?
@@SavageJarJar do you have to read it twice?
@@camwing I agree, somebody should do it
It has an awful story, don't act like they did a lot to the traversal, all they did was give it a speed boost, the fighting is the same, they haven't "changed" the fighting or tried refining it, they added a few extra moves and called it a day. Better missions? Are you stupid. No one wants to take pictures or connect wires when you can play as spider man. No one wants to play stupid walking segments like the lab, or MJ missions which they had the chance to remove but voluntarily kept it and made it worse, then you have to help some dumb gay guy instead of fighting crime, or play as a deaf girl that no one wanted or asked for. It's an awful game released next to a series of other awful games, so there wasn't much to choose from to nominate for Goty. Not having much to play, people saw this as a good game even though it's awful.
Dude, your videos deserve way more views, like a lot more.
I sincerely hope you find your audience here on TH-cam, till then I'll be here watching this still underapreciated channel that has better editing and jokes than many of the big ones.
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11:11 that actually has happened to me before once, they trapped me with a fake tech part box as bait and tried to jump me. Wish it happened way more often.
With these great movement mechanics and two spidermen, there should have been swinging races like ultimate Spider-Man, I think it was a missed opportunity
Being able to race the other spideman would be sick
@@The-Legend-of-Por a rematch between miles and whenever you want post game
I love the paper frame on your video samples, it really adds to the feeling that I am not just listening to a guy talk with some cool video and makes it feel a lot more like a dissection of the content with evidence.
Great videos every time, (even though I don't notice them at first for some really annoying reason, I swear I only see them through your posts).
I will watch every video you make with this animated, emotive host. Just makes me feel good.
I think Miles is doing a 360 Illusion dive roll when he breaks. He's a lot more "acrobatic" and expressive than Peter in that he chooses to do more showy flips as Spider-Man, so it makes sense that he would do this roll, but it definitely looks strange when done in mid-air and removed from the context of the ground. He just kinda hangs there before the rest of the move actually happens.
"exaggerated swagger of a black teen" -ign
Incredible video! Thank you for your hard work and for sharing this is.
Incredibly well made video. Production quality and editing on a level that I thought only huge channel achieve. Terrific stuff man, keep doing what you're doing!
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Honestly, I love a good checklist, and Spiderman 2 has a good checklist. Getting from place to place is fun and quick, and getting everything never felt like an insurmountable task because there's not too many of them and they gradually get introduced throughout the game. I think it's executed well and it works for me.
I agree. In the first game it was a little bit overwhelming because all you could see was how much stuff you haven't done. It's crazy how just the act of making quest markers pop up and go "Hey, this is an option if you want" changed the dynamic a lot more than I thought it would.
My biggest regret with this video is that I didn't mention the spider-bot collectibles. It's basically just a repeat of the backpacks from the first game, but since they don't tell you where they are, it's a lot more fun when one pops up as you're doing something else.
It's far from perfect, but it works really well.
Yeah it’s a good checklist. But that’s it. There isn’t much to do and the game is just good. Nothing much to it., more of the same, and it really falls flat the second time around since nothing much changed from before. I enjoy the game, but it’s very surface level and doesn’t really go in-depth with really anything. Game feels stuck in 2018
@@camwingI agree with you on the spider-bots part, it’s actually worse since they only pop up on the mini map and if you check the pause screen map it will only tell you how much you gotten in a certain area.
@@camwing Like the secret camera locations in the first game?
Really glad this channel popped up on my recommended today, I love your style
I love you camwing you’re my favorite person today
momentum in movement is always fun in games, love sliding around and grapplehooks, titanfall 2 is a great example of this, I mention this as I feel its why just cause 3's feels pretty good but once I had the jetpack from the dlc it trivialised that aspect of building speed to wingsuit, I'd love to see more games use momentum based movement or at least movement that feels influenced by it
same, i wanna set up a path that makes me go superfast
Very True.
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Fantastic video and i love the animation style! Thank you for you hard work!
the animation was fantastic again, loving seeing you guys increase quality with every video! i hope a stork brings you a sponsorship soon
I like how easy it is to be cool in Spider Man 2 with web swinging because I like quality of life features like which just let me have fun.
Oh I agree, I'm not saying that should go away or anything. I think it should either scale with the difficulty level, or be a setting you can toggle in addition to fall damage, swing steering, etc
This is a great video. Very well made and thought provoking. Excellent work man, subbed! :)
I just came across your channel but this was such a well made critique. The content, the editing, the animation. Really nice!
I love when TH-cam randomly recommends me a channel I’d love, amazing content and cannot wait till the next video!
Appreciate the effort you put into this, keep up the good work
This animation style is VERY gratifying - there's a certain je ne sais quoi in the bits where you check off things on the list that makes it oh so nice
really digging your content bro! keep it up! definitely need more of this.
For the next main installment, I don’t really have a want for a larger map for spiderman. Rather, maybe some interior spaces that we can go in anytime and have challenges etc.
I don’t know if this is in 2 since I haven’t got it, but I liked the shop robbery in the first where you can play a bit of it in the shop. Imagine that but expanded.
Another thing, is I saw a lot secrets and hidden interactions in the second game. No indication that they even exist unless you find them. I wish for them to expand this. This could make the players want to actually explore New York City as if it is a living creature, rather than just being a sandbox to do some sick web swinging.
Like, imagine you’re swinging and notice a street festival happening. And you get to walk through, interact with people. Playing mini games etc.
Or you notice a cake van smoking. You go there to help drop of the cake to its customer, while not swinging to crazy so the cake isn’t destroyed.
I feel like these develop on the things they added in a minor aspect to 2. Like I said, they already have some interactions and stuff that you have to go out and find yourself and the bike being usable is just fun when you can just swing across the map in a minute.
As much as I like the idea of people reporting crimes and requesting help in an app, I do think it's a lot more rewarding for the encounters to be truly random. Whatever Spider-Man 3 ends up being, the best way they can improve the experience is by breathing some more life into the world.
Every interaction you have just feels so... I dunno, sanitary? Like, every interaction is divided into good guys and bad guys. I know it's a superhero videogame, so that binary needs to exist, but the first game felt lacking in that nuance, and it's just a lot more obvious in the second.
But that's what's so exciting about having a game that's still really good, but far from perfect. Things can always get better in future installments.
I'd want them to just put better content in the game with better content design, better level design. And improve gameplay so it's more engaging to play. Better combat, more precise and interactive traversal and gameplay that combined aerial movement, combat and level design
GOD DAMNIT you got me back on Spider-Man instead of doing chores
Just stumbled across your channel and making my way through all your videos. This is all right up my alley 👍🏾
I feel lucky to have found your channel. You're fun to listen to l, and I really enjoy the topics you cover. Cant wait for more videos!
Great video dude, keep up the great work!
If TotK REALLY wanted to improve the weapon durability issue with a "portable super market" of stuff in your pants.. they should have made a base weapon that didn't break. What they did is almost nonsensical, while being borderline genius.
"Almost non-sensical, borderline genius" is actually how I would describe the weapon durability system in the first game as well.
I think what most people don't quite realise about the weapons in BotW (and TotK as well) is that they are not meant to be "loot" in the traditional sense. They are not treasures to be cherished and held onto. They are consumables. They are meant to be disposable.
I think the durability system was an attempt to solve a problem open world games had for decades which is that exploration usually becomes pointless after a certain amount of hours when you already have the strongest possible equipment. In theory, having weapons break ensures that this point is never quite reached. You can never have "enough" weapons because all of them will break eventually which means that even weak weapons have some kind of value late in the game. This aspect is further enhanced in TotK with the Fuse ability because it means that even a random stick can become a viable weapon if you have a powerful item to fuse it with. It is a never-ending, self sustaining gameplay loop that never becomes obsolete.
The main issue is that both games are too easy for the system to matter all that much and that engaging in combat rarely serves much of a purpose and can be easily avoided all together but I think on a conceptual level it truly is a borderline genius concept that deserves recognition.
@@amysteriousviewer3772honestly if more action games included this, it would change the open world scene
Would've been a fun Easter egg for Peter to be able to crash and hear "Ooh, my back!" 😂😂
Does anyone remember playing Web of Shadows all those years ago and face planting into a building if you didn't time your swings right? Good times, man...
your animation is so cool!!
I’m really enjoying your videos, keep it up!
This was entertaining but it felt like it didn’t have a conclusion. You made your final point about an improvement being more ways to fail then it just ends
Just found your channel. I love your stuff man, keep up the great work.
BEEN HERE SINCE 300!! NICE TO SEE YOU GROWING U DESERVE IT
Love the aesthetic and writing in your videos.
The funny thing about Spider-Man 2 is the whole thing is aped from other, better games but with a Marvel license. Not just from Just Cause either. That "better, more organic" style of finding your "checklist" stuff is directly aped from Ghost of Tsushima. While traversing in Ghost you are drawn to other things because you see a fox running around, smoke in the distance, cries for help or steam rising from a hot spring.
dude your style is so cool
I love it when my favorite Heathcliff TH-camr branches out into gaming content
so many good points in this video good job
I think videos like this are infinitely useful to me and anyone else who make games in their spare time.
Also, since this is very high quality, it makes it very easy to watch.
But, it makes me think about things I might otherwise not be thinking about when designing games.
love the little animations so much ❤
wowie i havent seen any of your videos before but i'm only a minute into this video and i really love the way its presented and the animations are nice to watch , its so cool and i hope your channel gets more attention :)
Thank you! Whether or not I get the views, I just enjoy making stuff, so I'm glad to hear you liked it.
Holy what the fuck this style is unmatched
godlike production quality, as always
My biggest issue with Spiderman is that the games play themselves. You pointed it out in the video. It doesn’t feel like I’m mastering the movement, when a lot of the work is automated and done for you.
Damn this video is impressive. Editing, pacing and content are amazing.
In summary this vid is as cool as my glasses
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Dude stop lying to yourself, nothing is as cool as your sunglasses.
People sometimes does not focus on minor details as it is highly underappreciated but they tend to forget that small details have ability to create a whole new perspective.
Great video keep it up.
The swinging being more complex could be interesting, but I fear it becoming too much.
While I know people praise the web swinging of the old Spider-Man 2, I don't like it. It feels finicky and like, even though it feels like i could technically do many things, the required controls just don't do work when I want it to, and I was always losing momentum.
This new Spider-Man 2 balances amazing experiences with usable controls, and I feel like adding more would almost require unlocking them in settings or something, because I would NOT want to have to time a button press to land on a wall. That's exactly the thing i didn't like about the old games.
Great video tho.
Keep grinding man your vids are awesome
Just subscribed, This video was really good and well explained
14:49 tbf regular Spider-Man could tank a fall from that height easily, so it makes sense why their''s no damage animation
The production value is insane!!!!! Every episode you continue to impress!!!
Man You hit the nail on it’s head for what I was feeling during playing the first Spider-Man Game. The “filling a checklist/completing chores” thing was just too much for me, so I enjoy how spiderman2 changed up the formula. First time watcher here but Great analysis and video!
Lol what? The whole point of the video is that it didnt change the formula
This video was so funny and i loved all the points you talking about and you kept it short and sweet
Absolutely incredible video. Instant sub.
9:21 This is actually a big reason I didn't like exploration as much in TOTK compared to BOTW. Pretty much any interesting location from BOTW got turned into the entrance to a cave or something in TOTK. So, even though there is a lot of new stuff to do, I realized that there weren't very many interesting new places to do those things.
You couldn’t do anything in botw tho. All you did was see the place and look for a bit and that’s it. With Totk you do the exact same thing but now you have actual quests there on top of caves and wells. Also, every significant location in botw was changed and updated in Totk, so they aren’t really the same. Is it because botw was the first of its kind? So Totk just won’t feel the same? Cause you can still just use a horse and just ride around the ground hyrule like botw.
I wonder how do you edit your videos. Such a great concept. I bet you will grow a lot. Keep up the good work!
@13:50 Hahaha.
I've been wondering about your 3D model (if it actually was one).
Hey Camwing! If you ever (for some reason) want to tackle a topic like "can PKMN be fixed?" let me know. I'll pitch in for free 😅
Your character model/texture is so good
I don't see how having fails improves the open world experience. This video is more so just what you wish was different about Spiderman 2
I think it's just at the point where no matter how "good" a game is, we don't have much left for good ideas in gaming anymore because it's so oversaturated.
I love quality videos about quality games. Subscribed!
Wasn’t ready for that into lmfaooooooo
The TH-cam algorithm's a fickle mf... Legit one of the best video essays I've ever seen on the platform, much less video game essays. Keep it up bro!
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@camwing welp, nevermind then, lol. glad this video got the view count it deserved :)
yea great content, glad this popped up in the feed
you are like a little lost razubuten, if i keep finding more of you i'll never run out of stuff to watch
12:52
Evil Bethesda be like:
thumbnail is great, nice job
Glad I found your channel!
14:59 what sense would it make for Spider-Man to crash after purposely putting away the web wings?
This is definitely just Nitpick the video
sorry for making it
i hope to god you continue to make these videos because you enjoy it, because they’re seriously top notch. the algorithm is not being kind but you continue to improve your videos’ quality time after time. youtube is bound to give you consistent recommendation soon enough.
Oh don't worry, I've got way too many ideas planned to give up after a couple algorithmic duds.
This channel is definitely going to be big someday i can feel it, keep it up my guy 👍
that transition from just cause 4 to spider-man 2 hit hard.
do it again.
Idk how you make every video make me go 'damn Cam just made his best video ever' every time
Bro you've earned my sub! Love the analysis and your spin on video essays
That's a really nice horse, good job
thank you it took me three days
I can’t lie dude I’ve never had a video of yours recommended to me before but u earned my sub in 30 seconds
Your writing/editing is top notch. keep up this level of content and youre gonna blow up
Beautifully made video
this might be THE most underrated channel on this whole platofrm
using fast travel without a loading screen no matter how fast that screen may be when removed feels so cursed lol
I miss being able to run along the ground while holding a web from ps2 spiderman 2
The essay ends abruptly so the viewer is left with a unsatisfying feeling.
This video just needed a final paragraph to summarize your thoughts.
Ngl I enjoyed the backpack and landmark quests in both games
On the other hand I hated the wave based strongholds and OH MY GOD i hate screwball so much
Dude the quality of this video is stellar. Just subscribed!
Fair review, one thing liked about Arkham city was the map made up for being small in how much depth it had. I hope that in Spider-Man 3 there’s more side missions and random crimes using actual buildings and environment also the note on animation when taking damage is also a amazing idea
Great video! The graphics, editing, and line-to-line writing are awesome, but I think the overall video would benefit from clearer, and more focused writing and structure.
Woah. A uniquely animated character video essay format. It’s not a zesty little teen titans slideshow. Dope.
I 100%'d Spider-Man 2 in 5 days because I had a week off work for Christmas
Having to actually plan routes to intentionally cover more ground so I could specifically discover the spider-bots was easily some of the most fun I've ever had in an open-world game. I felt like I was actually learning my way around New York, swinging up and down streets listening for the bespoke bass thump they make when you first discover them.
But you're 100% right that it becomes a slog once the main story peters out (pun not intended) - things like the two-heart Symbiote nest in the tunnel, the hilariously inconsistent difficulty of getting gold in Mysteriums, and the one glider chase mission that goes through the train yard, really stretch the seams of that last 5% of a not-quite-perfect game.
Don't get me wrong - I didn't play this game like it was my full-time job because it's *_bad_* , but it's very much evolution, not revolution.
Oh also discovering your channel through this video was a joy, sub'd