Games Workshop Launches LAWSUIT Against Warhammer 40K Fans + Woke Activists RUIN Black Myth Wukong
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Well seems like game's workshop wants that Helldivers 2 treatment.
If it's free why it behind a paywall?
From the anonymous woke latte developer: "chats would fill with messages is calling the game woke or complaining about DEI"
Huh, it's almost like the DEI devs don't understand the audience . 🤷♂️
Hey Endy, are you by chance using AI for the voiceover to your videos? I've been watching you for a long time now and I started noticing weird pronunciation at times 😅
It’s a shame cuz I only recently got into WHK40k. GW is truly petty and despicable for doing this.
If the game industry wants to go to war with their consumers, let them. But it is not a war they will win.
What makes you so sure?
@@user-cs4su3ng9lhow can they? There’ll be no one to buy their products
@@user-cs4su3ng9lIf eneught people will Stop playing they loose
@@user-cs4su3ng9l dont underestimate gamers. Have a look at the Sweet Baby Inc. farse and how the studios associating with it are doing.
Pretty sure they are taking the entire entertainment industry to the grave
GameDev: "I'm starting to hate gamers."
Gamers: "I can sympathize, actually. I feel the same way about game developers."
Dame bro. Your brain so big. This actually the most facts ever factualized
@@BarelyHuman920 I have the weirdest brainer right now....
Open Lobby 😮
Sometimes it can be justified for game dev, if said Consumer kept pestering the dev to publisher to release an unfinished game
Also gamers is one of the reasons why p2w and rampant micro transaction to exist.
And it started because of WoW Horse.
*"if buying isnt owning, then piracy isnt stealing"*
But copyright infringement is still copyright infringement. I would guess their lawyers probably know what they are doing. GW would have probably stopped with the DMCA if he complied but he escalated it, so they sued.
But Warhammer hasn't ever claimed buying isn't owning.
That is other companies that do this. You are in effect *encouraging* the "buying isn't owning" business practices when you level that accusation against companies that don't practice "buying isn't owning!"
When you buy a GW mini, you own it. You can do whatever you want with it. GW will not tell you it must be used in any specific way. If you want to chop it up and make it into something entirely different - that's encouraged, not banned. If you want to scan it and make copies of it and sell it - then GW and their lawyers will (rightly) come after you.
@@henrychurch6062 Games Worshop has in the past bullied creators with lawsuits despite knowing they won't win some of them, they have the money to prolong these court cases, while the individuals don't always have the money.
piracy was never stealing to begin with
As much as I hate GW's scummy practices, I don't think they're in the wrong on this one. The dude literally took something that was free, wasn't his IP, did some extremely minor tweaking and then slapped it behind a paywall. That's textbook copyright infringement.
Well said.
This is in a copyright/trademark grey area but you can get away with it if you make your work distinct enough.
What is 'distinct enough' is for the court to decide.
From what I've seen, he's in trouble because he didn't distinguish it enough from official gw products.
Also doesn't help that he ripped off GW owned designs.
If he made his own from scratch that just looked similar, he'd be in the clear.
Like I said, it's a very grey area but ppl do get away with it.
if he had made any changes to the model other than only adding 3d modeling supports he would be covered potentially by parody laws. I'm not sure where it fits on this industry but for the purpose of the vape industry it only had to be a 5% difference. the company i was part of sold the fcKu unregulated mod but we also carried the FU mod they were identical except for the emblem they stamped on the mod and a slight texture difference on the battery cap.
If it is free wouldnt it be in the public domain and no longer protected by ip copyright laws
@@revonz an artist can offer his creation free and say "not for resell".
Most 3dcults stuff have that mention.
The copyrights needs to be waved by the creator. The court never assume the donation of a property.
Now Warhammer 40k fans can totally and wholeheartedly join the other rest of the normal human world population against toxic woke.
99% of us do not give a fuck sorry to tell you
@@cheeky9334 that's also a form of strength too. Not getting affected and not giving a care about woke means that woke is meaningless. But I do recommend self defence if your personal way of life is being threatened by woke. I am sure you will give a fuck about your own way of life right? Lol.
Do not presume you may speak for me.
@@punking5613 of course not. People can join, people can don't join. I am talking about normal human world population. I am not speaking for you right?
@@limaikhiankelvin9800 I'm a huge Warhammer fan, have a 2k point army of death guard and a 1.5k army of drukhari it's not woke. You people are unreal
Games Workshop took way too much copium in order to sue Warhammer 40K fans.
It’s quite insane
@@EndymionTvI told the story in Discord. Nobody cared and they defended GW
@@akumaking1maybe because nobody wants to hear what you have to say and it’s complete bullshit
@akumaking1 typical braindead consumers, don't ask questions just consume product then get excited for next product
@@akumaking1don't ask questions just consume product and get excited for next product.
The guy took free models and locked them behind a paywall. Then decided to print them and sell them for $65 a piece. He ignored a cease and desist order, then wants others to pay legal fees for him.
Yeah, I'm not seeing him as the victim here.
I agree, one thing that he has some room for is the models from that website they *could* be original works from other users. I heard patreon and went "yup thats a big no no"
Yeah he's fucked. Sucks but he dug his own grave.
He did not, all were available free on cults3d, only modified and supported files were behind a paywall.
I'm surprised more people aren't calling out how scummy this guy is for taking what GW generously gave people for free and locking it behind an exorbitantly expensivepay wall!!
I get it that GW charges more. But they have invested millions into lovingly designing this models crafting a world, crafting a game system, and all the other things that have made their product popular. They invested most of their income on both the setup and necessary upkeep (like rebalances) to keep their product enjoyed by fans.
This scumbag is taking that and charging $65 because he clicked a button to add extra supports in his 3d software and then used his 3d printer as a cashgrab factory. Gouging people looking for a cheap alternative without any of the money going to GW.
IANAL, but he took a FREE file, edited it, making it his own unique version and sold access to those unique files. He has the argument that he is only charging for the work he did to make the free files more usable.
TBH. If he was ripping models straight from their game, he deserved it.
Remember, you don't hate GW enough
Well, if you can't hate something, it doesn't means, that this is something good. It means, that you are defective.
Someone call AM
Que the buss driver meme
@@Jet-ij9zc Even AM was not capable of such a degree of hate necessary.
@@LordNithilus people think AM hated humanity for having created him. But the truth is he tried to make a 2k points Astra militarum army and went insane when he saw the price tag
I don't think the general population of players ever 'accepted' the woke message. They tolerated or ignored it. And that tolerance has now been worn out.
Ironic part is one of the most iconic quotes of the modern Imperium "The rewards of tolerance is treachery and betrayal."
@@Scott90314 this right here is gold
@@Scott90314 i keep hearing 40k is a satire, but I rarely see evidence of that. Once again one of their "extreme" ideas ends up being true.
@@Yotrympwell, old lore was better in that regards. More funny stuff and less serious ones while keeping the grim dark tone. I don't think current gw is even trying to keep to the source material.
Even current orks damnit. They can be the funniest w40k faction and yet nothing is done. Just more spess meuwinz.
I'm glad i hopped off the wagon a long time ago.
Just makes me want to support them even more now, these people can shove off. I'm tryna play that damn game man.
Company protecting their IP from being bootlegged == immoral? He’s not “just helping” people. He’s making money on another’s IP. If he were giving away the files GW probably would have left him alone.
the way i see it hes not charging for the models but for the work he put in making them easier to print
however selling the free models printed out by himself is crossing the line there especially for 65$
That's true. Too much copeium from people that hate games workshop, it's their IP, make an open source IP such as SCP if you want to sell related things. We vote with our money, not by committing crimes, that is how the extreme left sees criminals committing violent crimes.
Yeah, I’m not a friend of GW, but I don’t see how they could avoid taking action under the circumstances.
@@lenorevanalstine1219 Well, the files are behidf a paywall on patreon. So he is actively making money of others people work.
@@germanmosca Even though it was behind a Patreon paywall, I believe as long as he isn't charging directly for the models (which he did), he would have been in the clear. But by reproducing... and then directly selling the GW models, he screwed up. Still GW is a greedy money gouging company, and I don't mind that this guy was playing the role of 'Robinhood'. This world could use more Robinhoods. 🤷♂
Lets not fool ourselves, what dude was doing was illegal, period. i think its an awesome thing, but you cant make money off of someone elses IP. i dont think they should sue him into obilivion, but if they tried to send him a cease and desist and he ignored it, its pretty much on him.
Games Workshop is now going too far. Just because you do not agree with fans, that does not give you right to sue them.
It's going to bury itself. Good riddance.
This is basically GW from 90s-2010s reverting back to type lol
When you're so obsessed with hunting Heretics you become the Heretic. Ironic.
It’s sad
Look I don't agree with Games Workshop on many things, but when you profit off of someone else's work free models or not you f'ed up lol
Much as I hate GW, you can't take free models, modify them and reupload them behind a paywall.
He fucked up, and I wish he hadn't.
Exactly. Don't pick a fight with a big business if you can't back it up. He received cease and desist orders and ignored them. This is on him unfortunately
When a product is free and put in the public domain , is not stealing. Other companies have tried is lawfair and lost. But if you don't have the money your screwed.
He didn't just upload them, he enhanced them. Think of the model STLs as materials for a final product that has to be produced by 3D printing. If I get free bricks does that mean I can get sued for making a house out of them to sell? GW offered a free resource, if they were worried about their IP they should have disclaimers (and IDK they may have them) on how that resource IP is to be used or not offer it at all.
I don't know. According to the report these were models that GW discontinued and refused to offer support for. What are we supposed to do. Sit around and hope one day that they change their minds? It is a little hard to cut into their business when they stopped doing that business.
@@tobybigham4196I think the problem was he was paywalling them. I’m sure those models could of been uploaded to the site that featured a lot of 3D printing plans but he wanted to get paid. They even told him to stop but he didn’t listen so it had to be done.
Honestly, it's quite shitty to put something that is for free behind a paywall just because you added something that everyone can.
Just because everyone can, doesn't mean he didn't put in work to make it so others don't need to. Convenience sells. But yes, I think putting it behind a paywall is what broke his neck. GW has the law on their side here, though I'd say their reaction is entirely overblown and will negatively impact them further down the line.
Okay this one time im on the side with GW. U can't just download free stuff and upload it elsewhere or put it behind a pay wall just because u added some support.
Only because it's free to download doesn't mean u have the right on the models to do what u want.
Go to war... with your own income stream. Yeah, they've lost their minds. People who charge that much for miniatures don't get to behave like this towards us and stay in business.
And somehow they still have record profits it’s like fans don’t care. But more like they just don’t know that’s why I make these videos! I hope more see the truth
@@EndymionTv Keep up the good work mate, your videos are mortar shells and you're firing them well! Glad to be in the same foxhole in this war of culture, because that is truly what it is now.
@EndymionTv corporation worship has become the new tribalism. I'm sure a lot of their algorithms don't let them see videos like yours, and those that do likely just ignore because nothing can be bad about the Big Brother
@@EndymionTv They CLAIM to have made record profits. But how much of that is artificial inflation from Blackrock etc?... What's most important is their air of desperation. It can't be coincidence that these companies seem more and more panicky the more they're exposed. We're all just waiting for the tipping point.
@@EndymionTvTHE IMPERIAL TRUTH MUST BE SPREAD
Lawsuit against your own fans? Man they're trying to speedrun their IP's destruction. Disney would pat them kn the back for this.
It’s a slippery slope
That is pure heresy.
@@EndymionTv Slippery slope? The thing's a sheer dropoff
"Ooga-bamba! Give Bob-Omb to own kids?! Ugh, glad you not my dad!" -Ugtar
@@EndymionTv Not a slippery slope, it's the mariana's fucking trench of drop offs.
Ok. As much as i like to gang up on GW. Im finding it a little difficult to sympathise with ripping models straight out of the game and rigging it for 3D printing.
If he made them himself and got slammed like this Id be more sympathetic.
I'm no legal expert, but it does seem like to me that Games Workshop is well within their legal right to file these 12 cases/claims against EmanG. Even if the models were sourced from a site that shared them for free, and even if that site ripped them from something that was essentially free to begin with, and even if one went to the extra effort to add customizations to provide the supports the models would need to survive the 3D printing process and beyond... The moment a paywall is introduced, wouldn't just that alone make one an unlicensed 3rd-party making profit off a trademarked and copyrighted intellectual property that they had no percentage of ownership in, and no legal say over how the property is handled?
Is it morally reprehensible that an over a billion dollars net worth company is suing a private person for such a sum? Certainly; this is in essence a Big Corpo punching down on the little people... But at the same time, it does seem like a clear-cut case of infringement on intellectual property, that I'm afraid that in this case, with how established copyright, trademark and intellectual property laws are in this day and age, the law will be on GW's side. I just can't really see that going any other way.
And I don't even want to try and say anything about any potential fair marketing/competition laws in finance that probably most likely perhaps even absolutely exist (I faintly recall that monopolies aren't well liked by trade associations and what not)
Kinda crazy how series like Astartes and Emperorer Text to Speech set GW up to make millions of dollars doing nothing. Yet, they had to do something.
"Free advertising??? Can't have that now, can we?"
Unfortunately, this is a consequence of GW being obsessed with controlling every last ounce of how its IP is presented to the public. They don't like things like Marneus Calgar having Imposter Syndrome, even if that's just for laughs and a valid satire of how GW handles some of its characters. So, on the clamps go and out go the lawsuits. The fans are going to have to decide for themselves how much they are willing to tolerate this behavior.
@@rdubayoo Doubly funny bit about Calgar: They licensed a comic that literally claims the one running around in 40k is flat out not Calgar but an impostor that took on his name. I don't have the words for this nonsense.
It’s less to do with them being stupid and more to do with copyright law, and losing your IP by not doing this stuff.
Hey hey hey, whoa. Astarted dude straight up got HIRED by GW to make his series (and chapter) official.
And ETTS didn't get slammed by GW, they stopped on their OWN because they FEARED GW might come after them. GW never did.
I don't like GWs buisness practice, but we shouldn't start lying.
2:00 Sadly, that is a clear violation of copyright, since he is putting somebody else's clear IP AND Creation behind his paywall. In that case it does not matter that he added a little something here or there.
I agree with this statement. I think people forget the effort that goes into creating a world like this and designing all the things in it, then charge other people who have worked hard to create it, it is just morally bankrupt disguised in the guise of being some kind of freedom fighter.
Yeah, even if the models are free. They're still copyrighted and he's using the free models to make income. Dude is making almost $6k/month just from patreon alone. That's wild.
Agreed. Now if he indeed made his own models and called them something else but they are clearly 40K compatible that would be something else. Still not entirely legal but far, far harder to persecute.
But using game files with little adjustments, fat chance.
It could be, but it depends on whether it can be proven that *the models* are what was sold, or if it was a breach of copyright for them to be uploaded in the first place. Suppose the models are freely available *and* what was solid via Patreon/etsy was a skillset or support parameters that make the files usable for printing. In that case, there is no outright copyright infringement, as the used assets are not what is being sold, but the seller's skills/time/additional files.
It's a loose line of reasoning but one that could be legally viable given the presented wording.
The issue here is that a individual-gone-artisan coming up with means, seemingly within the boundaries of the law, to address price gouging is being lawfared into oblivion. I don't think it's as open-and-shut as claimed here but I also am totally open to that being the case.
Nevertheless, the exorbanent cost of the GW models being confronted by a consumer offering their own skillset to parse and render *freely available* 3D models for personal print usage, as well as printing a representation of the work using different materials and a custom setup, doesn't technically constitute copyright infringement.
This 100%, and the fact he’s making doe off their shit …rightfully smoked
The guy fucked around and found out. Cry about it.
"Games Workshop bad" seems to be a popular theme among drama channels who know very little.
Moid
You might want to do more research on this, this guy did legit steal those models and then repost them/offer them for sale, they were not posted for free by GW. I'm all for artists getting money for their work but this guy is a thief.
Vote with your wallets.
Let corporations' mythic modern audience support their own hobbies.
The Warhammer 40k community should make something new then leave the support of Games workshop. Make something better than Warhammer 40k, it will be easy if people are working together. Then they can make a new studio that has no woke bullshit.
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@@Amodernvikingr *PRAISE SPACE KING!*
based opinion, just check if game not involved in some kinds of sweet baby inc partnerships and ur good
@@Amodernvikingr I mean sure, but at this point, Warhammer has been around for decades, there's tons of lore and worldbuilding, etc. It's hard to come up with a setting that can just "replace it."
However, there are other, interesting looking IPs and tabletop wargames out there, for sure.
I'm a warhammer fan, but I never touched the damn tabletop. It's way too expensive a hobby for me. And I don't have time to paint and assemble armies.
But I do play the videogames from time to time.
Fuck TH-cam censorship
No, censorship needs to be extinct, not fucked.
First 2 words especially.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 censorship is important and should not to be extinct rather correct it
@@RAIN_2001 Wrong, that is like saying murder is important in the world.
@@RAIN_2001censorship is like telling a man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it. The end.
Emang's mistake was putting it behind a patreon, effectively making money off GW IP. If he was doing it for free, then GW would have less of a case. They would still go after him though.
I usually stand 100% behind consumer movements. But this isn’t that - the dude stole their IP and then sold it back to players.
Had he been sued just for his own personal use, that’s one thing. But this was straight IP theft, man.
GW/40K deserves absolutely no sympathy. But they deserve a day in court.
They're not mad about IP theft. They're mad someone was selling models at a semi reasonable price.
What did he steal if they were given away free by GW?
@@IAmPersonOne Not so much steal but he obviously violated the terms of service he agreed to by downloading the files in the first place. They also gave him two chances to avoid anything bad and he chose to ignore them. It's like when you download a free app or software, there's a bunch of stuff you scroll past and click agree and then download. All that stuff says you can't copy and redistribute what you've downloaded. I can't download a free to play game like Fortnight and then put Fortnight behind a patreon pay wall, even if I change it by fixing bugs or adding content. This guy was asking for it.
@@IAmPersonOne Putting terminology aside, receiving a product doesn't give you the right to producing and distributing.
Now I don't know the laws. But if you ask me, you can only produce or distribute, not both.
As in, buy something, use it for a while, and then sell it (distributing).
Or printing the model for personal use and never selling (producing).
Imagine Sweet Baby Inc picking a fight with The CCP over a good video game.
They’re morons
@@EndymionTv hope they lose
Well the irony is the alway kneel dictatorship like china/middle east. But cause chaos in democracy.
I was like: freaking china?!
I generally do not support the CCP. But I hope the CCP teaches SBI a lesson they will never forget.
Yeah, GW has a case, by his own admission. The models may have been free, but he did not offer them for free, so he was making money off a copyrighted IP.
Honestly, that seems to be the case.
Especially because things that are Free of Use like the models GW offered and the guy used, dont come with a "Free of Distribute" sign. Those things often just allow you to use them for yourself and for free, like certain apps or programms, but rarely do they allow you to just start distributing them yourself EVEN LESS if you use them to make a profit. Imagine you give you friend a glass of jam and they start making the same jam using yours as a basis and then selling it, you would be pissed too.
@@irmiwolf There seems to be more to this story.
Can also be argued that he is easily in the right as he has worked on and modified them to fit the role. Only reason this is so debatable is the entire thing of 3d printing is so new just like video games in that pause on lingual definitions haven't caught up... but on the other hand large companies are pushing really hard to make sure it doesn't catch up to where will inconvenience them eg. illegal gambling
Definitely has a case
Games Workshop does have a valid point actually.
He was selliing an item that was protected by copywrite. If he wanted to post the files for free then I doubt they would have went after him. The problem is he was making money off someone else's IP. They even sent him a DMCA which he ignored. He has no one else to blame for himself. I don't like Game Workshop especially for the wokeness, but I urge people to think critical instead of emotionally and not turn into the same people who push woke agendas.
You do have a good point except GW has not gone woke, they have never gone woke, you’re just being delusional.😊
Man when can they realize gaming and IRL politics are the worst combo? I just want a little escape from the pains of reality, not reminded about it 🤦♂️
When they’re broke and on the street. They won’t stop or accept that they’re wrong until it’s too late for them
They can't help it, they are ideologues. their entire world revolves around these ideas they are trying to push onto us. They are a form of "modernized" religious zealot who can only think about converting others to their ideology and enforcing their values on society.
That is the scary part... I believe they know and just don't care, they want to shove it down everyone's throats. 😢
They know it doesn't mix. It's a power grab, not a production to them.
Because they hate imagination and hate people with imagination. They are not creative, they have no passion, and art is an alien concept to them. They are miserable husks, and they demand company.
I'm tired, boss. I wish I could snap all these issues away.
You’re telling Me lol
Yeah you're not the only one. I can't believe I've lived long enough for all the franchises I like to become absolute trash. I never thought these kind of dark days would come to be.
On your feet, Soldier.
As I said under Endymion's other video: I've been a fan of Star Wars, Star Trek, Transformers, The Witcher, Tomb Raider, He-Man, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Marvel, DC, The Lord of the Rings and Warhammer for 25-30 years. I'm tired...
@@Kresegoth I understand and I’m sorry dude
The fact that they allowed a website to publish STL files of Warhammer minis for so long.... could work against them.
Unfortunately, based on your description, this was clearly a copyright violation. I’m not a lawyer and have never played one in film or television but have spent a fair bit of time as a creative director making sure I never got hammered with a copyright lawsuit. If you create original content “in the spirit of” Warhammer and do not use any of their copyrighted/trademarked material, you’d have a fair chance winning a lawsuit (it would still be expensive if it happened). In this case, it appears he used files that originated from GW. While the files were “free”, I’m sure there is legal language somewhere that clearly says “for personal use”… “you can’t make money from these”. Just because a file is available on a website doesn’t mean it’s free to be profited from. I feel bad for the guy and it sucks that they picked him to file a claim. It’s pretty safe to say we all hate GW pricing. 3D printing is a really viable way to affordably pump out armies for a fraction of the cost even with the price of the printer. This is clearly a threat to GW and this is probably a reaction to that. Unfortunately, GW has trademarks and copyrights on as many things as they can think of. The Warhammer version of the Aquila symbol is trademarked. If you create and sell something using that exact mark, and you hit their radar, keep an eye on your mailbox for a cease and desist… if you’re lucky. This stuff is no joke and we all need to be really aware of the potential consequences when money starts to change hands.
I mean it does seem like he was charging for the right to have the models, that he didnt own.
period
To my understanding he used stolen assets from one of their copyrighted game total war warhammer to make models added framework to help them stand and was sued for it. What is the problem here? it does not matter if you think he was offering the STL file for free because it was not you had to pay to get access to the file via patreaon so he was charging for it no matter what anyone says. CW is required to defend their copyright or risk losing it that is the simple fact here while i feel they were heavy handed i do not feel that they are wrong for doing so. I could give 2 fucks about someone's job status he was making 5k a month for a few hours of effort on stolen assets he did not create from the ground up. He would have an argument if he completely redesigned and imagined elves or whatever to fit on a 40mm base but thats not the case here he str8 up got his hands on stolen assets that does not make them un stolen that he purchased them from another marketplace. Thats like going to a pawn shop and selling them a stolen watch they are still required by law to give that watch up.
Not exactly, at least as I understand this. Check this time stamp. 3:33 Here at least that guy states that the models he used were given away by GW quite some time ago. He took those free models, added supports to make them printable and sold those.
I am not sure what the law in the UK or the USA say about cases like this, if the give-away of those models also meant that he could use them otherwise or even sell them. That part is giving me a headache as well, at least it seems to be a grey area and considering it's GW we are talking about, I myself would definitely give this area a whide berth.
Thing is, though, that move from GW is still more than scummy. Other companies in much better standing with their customer base have reacted a lot more lenient in similar cases and often it ended with a slap on the wrist or even a gentlemen's agreement. GW on the other hand decided to go right for the jugular and for the kill. They must be _fully_ aware that they will literally destroy this guy in the meanest possible way.
Sure, one can do that and maybe even has the law completely on his side, but there is a massive difference between the law and justice and this is just... disgustingly mean. What are they hoping to achieve with this? Will this keep people from doing this again in the future? Maybe. For a time. But the damage this will cause to the company on the long run? Incalculable, but most likely massive and lasting.
I never played the tabletop and never will, but I am a massive Wh40k lore who also happens to paint miniatures and create little dioramas. The last GW product is a Baneblade and yes, this will be the last product indeed. Their insane pricing has crossed a limit for me anyway, but where I might have saved up for a particulary cool thing I would like to have, I will now spend my money on other companies' products and I something is telling me, I am not the only one by far.
Sure, the whales who casually spend in a month as much as I make as nurse at least netto per year will definitely keep them afloat for a while, but even the whales will leave at some point, in case they won't find anyone to play with. Erosion is something that comes creeping and you might not feel it for quite some time, but once a critical point is reached, that's it, and they work with quite the determination on the erosion of their customer base.
Sorry for this text wall, I got carried away, so in case you made it this far, thanks a lot for your patience and interest!
GW doesn't make or sell all the models or pieces anymore however. Meaning it's almost impossible for people get get certain parts anymore.
@@Furzkampfbomber He took those free models, added supports to make them printable and **sold those**.
And that's the problem. I haven't seen the license, but how "free" is defined by it, not by anyone's understanding. I'd wager a foot that this license was non-commercial only.
@@LordNithilus Sure, but that doesn't mean you can make a sidebuisness using their IPs and make money doing so.
That's literally the only problem. I fear he shot himself in the foot by putting them behind a paywall.
If he hadn't, I don't think GW could have sued him. Like, there's mods for the Dawn of War videogames that are very popular and free and use copyright protected models of units that were not in the base game, like the Apocalypse mod. GW can't do shit about those cause the mod is free.
When printing minis, or creating your own, they can't be named Warhammer or anything related to GW.
He shouldn't have sayed they were Warhammer models, every 3D Printer out there that sells their stuff calls it something else.
Majorkill sells his own minis all the time, even made an Emperor of Mankind. Just none of them are Space Marines, Warhammer etc.
When you try making money on established IPs, you take that risk.
The issue isn't that he is adding support. The issue is that he gains money from the free models. He can only list those models as free. Which also means no pay wall.
Soo, yes, he is very liable for ip theft. He's not sharing free designs, He is selling them.
Been saying it about 40K and GW for a long time, stop buying from them, use old rules, get a 3d printer and make you're own proxy models and visit car boot/garage sales for stuff. This company has gone to far now.
I think that's why they are doing this. They are scared because of the fan boycott and are trying to scare people off of 3d printing their own figures
I thought they always listened to their fans
@@maxmazzotti6651 🤣
in 2024 apparently hating your clientele is the go-to marketing strategy.
I knew things were gonna get bad once millenials started moving up in the work force.
I’m ashamed of my generation no idea how so many of them became weak weirdos like this
@@EndymionTv they probably didn't get their ass beat with a belt enough in their childhood.
@@EndymionTv A combination of never being told no, participation trophies, and not being punished for making complete fools out of themselves.
@@EndymionTvas am I, Gen Z and here I hate how stupid ny generation has become. So many people lacking common sense 🤦♂️
@@rastanamag59 Our generation was not taught by anybody. They were handed devices and those that have low intelligence are basically psychopaths.
The bottom half translation is "The Game Science and thier dogs, if they have any guts should summon the police, dont just cower in the corner.
Netizens, rally around me.
Because i am righteous."
(Native chinese speaker here)
There should really be a cap on these legal fees. I mean you expect a self-employed hobbyist to pay off thousands of dollars in legal fees when the act of suing or otherwise taking legal action against him effectively halts his income? That's moronic.
They clearly don't understand they've opened a Pandora's Box with this stunt. The pressure in communities has been building so much that when the bubble finally bursts it'll be like another 4th of July😂
An super volcano level of fireworks.
they've done this before with businesses that steal their IP they've hit you tuber animators back in the day for the exact same thing if you make money from GW IP without prior agreements they will respond with a lawsuit
Hey meyby we get end of 40k like of fantasy one and them go to another Warhammer universum
@@SirBlaze75 Except they're openly attack their customers to force profit loses, that way they can turn around and say "See! 3D printing is hurting our profits!" when that's not really the case.
Like the guy in "the telltale heart" is haunted by the telltale heart;
failed corporate & public representatives are haunted by the 4th day of months starting with the letter J.
I don't appreciate the title bait, I got worried about Black Myth Wukong
Yeah how did that RUINED the game or the company i have no clue.
I think he means ruined it's reputation! 😕
Yeah, clickbait like this sucks.
@@HerowebcomicsExcept it did not, those woke journalists have no shred of impact over how good or bad a gzme might end up being
Dude was printing official Total Warhammer 3 models on an etsy store.He fucked around and very much found out.
I am going to point this out for your first story (though most are not going to like me doing so) Emang was taking copyrighted models (doesn't matter if they are free) and claiming that HE made them where the only thing he did was adapt them for 3D printing (this does not change the model just saves everyone else time) and then sold them without Games Workshop's permission in the USA that is classic copyright infringement furthermore to maintain a copyright the holder of said copyright MUST defend it or they risk losing it. Emang was warned to stop since he was served a S and D but he chose to ignore it, he can try to fight the lawsuit but he will lose, best case they let him settle the suit for something that is reasonable...
I love it when Corporations treat fans like the enemy and then go on to attack us, like how exactly do you think that's going to go for you longterm? You're done, you're finished, pack it in and give up, because we wont support you.
The long term is Gov money through Blackrock and other ESG loans.
Reason because you’ll being such the bigots.
@@Blunthammer I hope those loans are enough to keep them afloat.
@@LordFoxxyFoxington it has so far.
They've done this for decades. You don't get to use their IP, especially if you start getting any amount of rep or money from it.
Still plenty of thirsty neckbeards who shill out money for them, like everyone complaining about EA making crappy games, who turn around and buy every new Madden.
If he ignored a CAD notice from the company that owned the copyright, he did kind of bring it on himself.
Still looks bad on warhammer, but was hasn't looked bad on that company lately.
GW is suing for copyright infringement, the dude was selling their IP, was told to cease and desist, and ignored the warnings. GW gets to decide what fair use is, thats how the law works.
"it was damaging our brand" they said while damaging their brand.
“Corps've long controlled our lives, taken lots, and now they're after our souls”
Armored core was always right it seems
@@barbatos7233 so was Johnny
Ooof he was profiting off their IP that is a no go, had he done it completely for free they more than likely would not of went after him.
They might still have, considering they also went after fan animations that were distributed for free. (Astartes, Emperor Text To Speech)
@@olafgurke4699 Astartes? No - they employed the guy who made Astartes. He now works for them.
@@MrBertie7 Ah, thanks. Must've mixed it up then. I just knew they forbade him from privately publishing further works. Makes sense they hired someone as talented as him tho.
Someone in China is about to be reminded they are in China~
All on par for the course.
I've said it before, the only way to save warhammer is to intentionally crash it into the ground and then rebuild from the ashes.
Make up the worst parodies that you can come up with and gaslight the piss out of everyone else into accepting as if they were serious.
"It is the 52nd millennium and the galaxy is at peace. Xenos and proud daemonettes live in harmony. The Starchild and his cohort of magical girls/boys patrol the galaxy fighting intolerance and bigotry one pop concert at a time"
Seriously, make it so dumb and insufferable that everyone either hoards and craves the original grimdark sci-fi horror that we all fell in love with, or abandon the whole hobby all together.
When you encounter wokeness or too much tolerance, troll the piss out of the local table and teach them passively why we needed to gatekeep our hobbies. Just the dumbest and edgiest crap you can come up with. When accused deflect and accuse them of what you're doing. If the franchise dies, a few good fans can resurect it slowly.
We need to get ahead of everything. If you can't do dumb parodies, then lean into the edgiest and most controversial elements to the point that you risk getting banned at locations. If we can beat progressive message based advertising, then we can do this
"you can't stop the signal" Resistance will continue until greed is reduced.
Nah. The majority of suckers will give their money anyway.
Greed? Naw. It's all the wokeness infecting everything.
@@vladcrow4225 Suckers are not the majority.
It’s not greed to protect your IP from people trying to illegally profit by selling it.
Imagine going to war with your own audience
then, Imagine being surprised when you turn around and find that you no longer have an audience.
I srtuggle to do this, because I'm not an idiot
@@aeraaureliawashereonce Businesses need to make a profit or they go under. You might be too young to understand, but this means they must protect their IP or they forfeit it.
If they allow 1 person to freely use protected files then it allows others to do the same. They can’t suddenly fight against it later. I’m sure GW is absolutely heartbroken they have to alienate the part of the audience thats trying to undermine them.
@@Manuel-dg2tl This reads as sarcasm, but I'm not sure
@@aeraaureliawashereonce I was being very sarcastic. GW is drinking champagne.
Emang's stuff was direct copies, as someone who is listening to this as I clean up 3d prints, he was 100% just selling someone else's designs. No one else in the space is getting moved on like this.
People wouldnt have to 3D print their stuff if it was wasn't 60$+ for 3 tiny model that doesn't even come painted, when I can buy a gundam with 100+ pieces that come colored and with fun stuff.
I disagree on the painting part. It is the best part of the hobby. Playing the game itself sucks ass imo. I agree on the prices though. I don't buy warhammer stuff anymore. It's boring to paint same mini many times.
That first story literally just sounds like a crime, ripping models and selling them man
Endyiom is pissed over the custodies thing and that him and his incel friends got kicked out.😊
Yeah, that’s definitely not legal.
@@HarryMacklin-wg2bi You’re just sad, and have no friends
@@mr.mayhem9724 same as you but I’m living a wonderful life and have good friends and I’m also not a incel who blame women for all my problems.😊
@@HarryMacklin-wg2bi Better than a coomer who blames imaginary nazis for all his problems
I'm not a lawyer but my very surface-level of understanding of copyright law would suggest that he's not going to win, he was blatantly violating copyright law, even if it doesn't doing any material damage to GW or their 'brand'. When GW makes available free STLs or the like, they still get to control how those are distributed so unless they explicitly distributed it with a license that allows redistribution, he doesn't really have a leg to stand on there. It's possible, though I'm less sure, that a similar argument would be made regarding the profiting off of those files because the free availability of the files originally doesn't automatically allow someone to profit off of their redistribution, even if they are legally allowed to redistribute them. I wish the guy well and I definitely don't support what GW has been doing lately but I don't see this working out in his favor.
If it could be shown that the files were released with a license that would allow him to redistribute the files or prints of those files for profit and GW later decided to revoke this license, then maybe he would have a case but it doesn't seem like that's what's happening.
I find it hilarious that they think they can win against a monkey god who has 7 immortalities, and a Kryptonian Hero🤣
So a fan made something fans wanted, and Games wokeshop decides to get butt hurt about it
Basically yes and they are making an example out of them
@@EndymionTv 10 internet points says this gets looked at by a judge, laughed at, and thrown out.
No, a fan took something that was offered to fans for free, tweaked them, then sold them to fans for personal profit. I'm sorry, but I don't think GW is in the wrong here.
No a fan stole files. And then hid them behind a paywall thus profiting off their IP GW owns. The dudes a thief. Period. And he's gonna get fucked in court mark my words. He's fucked in court and GW will win this lawsuit
no, he took their files. and sold them for profit. As a 3d artist myself who also had a person do this to me... i dont support his actions.
Honestly its the paywall that lost my support for Eman. Leave it up to donations or something like modders. It's just theft when you try to profit from an IP that has none of your contribution.
You aren't getting over the whole female Space marine thing anytime soon are you. I think the thing about the price gouging is true, but obviously they are going to move to secure their IP any company would particularly knowing how 3D printing is going to hit their bottom line. The alternative is for the competition to create their own IP.
So he was pirating models and hiding them behind a paywall… f him.
A literall rat but somehow this goof is defending him
Seems like a remark a mask wearer would say
@@Ninja4200ful I wore it for fun because I’ve got hey fever… the dudes making pure profit off of GWs work. Simple as that
GW main source of income is through models, be silly of them to just let everyone print there own? I take it you don’t own a business
Yeah... You can't resell copyrighted products that you got for free. It's pretty obvious.
i dont know why there are dudes defending this shit
@@rjgra4620 Endyiom is pissed over the custodies thing and that him and his incel friends got kicked out. And that’s why he’s lying.
@@rjgra4620 Tribalism. 3d printing has been basically a legally murky way to engage in model piracy (you actually can download that car) to get around the expensive cost to play. The idiots using actual models made by GW and licensed companies for their models were asking to get sued once they made money off it.
Same with modding, once you put a price tag to it, I have no sympathy if you get into legal trouble over it.
@rjgra4620 I think the people defending it do similar stuff so they all want to have a pity party and blame others for the laws they break. At the same time all the people complaining would do the same thing if people infringed on copyrights of their products. 😂
Ever hear of a yard sale?
Legally if a company doesn't protect their IP that opens a can of worms, I hate Games Workshop but Emang can't just do what he was doing. People need to start making their own designs to get around this.
A while back I saw a small community of 3D printers were making their "own" 40K-ish figures, and calling it "Space-Mace"
@@souljatoad Space King
Exactly, he didn't even really try to change their names or what the models were.
All the people who 3D print Warhammer models call it something completely different, they don't use any term GW uses for their products.
@@Khayon_The_Kingbreaker That's 100% the way to go, but beyond that people need to design their own armor and invent factions, it can be derivative, as long as it's a legally safe knock off Games Workshop can't do nothing. I can honestly see fans making much better factions with much better lore and have those be more popular than the official ones.
@@DeanCalaway The problem is a derivative work is still copy-writed to the original author. So that wont save you and its still illegal to sell. you can make everything you want for your own personal use, but you cannot profit off it and you cannot give it to any one else. that violates the law.
The only things that get around this is Fair use (which is determined by a court and can be difficult to prove), or if the work is public domain.
This particular case is interesting and could go either way, since the models used werent stolen and were given away for free. But GW might likely still win.
send the thief to jail
Endymion is now getting invaded by weird accounts, I’m starting to think someone is trying to shut this guy down by making false allegations…with suggestive pfp…
Not just him; a lot of other TH-camrs get the same softcore "corn" pfp bots, sometimes with copy/pasted comments taken from other actual posters. Just report the bots as "cornography" or explicit material.
Gotta say corn instead of what it actually is, 'cause TH-cam doesn't like certain words. 🙄
Games Workshop is right in this lawsuit. what the guy effectively did is the equivalent of selling a full free video game with the bare minimum of convention mods for pennies and giving none of it to the makers of the game.
Exactly. They’ll rightfully win this case for sure.
"please, don't harass them UNTIL we have more info..." 😅😂😅
It's scummy of the company, but the dude is also ripping off them selling custom pieces and charging for his patron. He also doesn't have a job to pay the bills, and was likely getting by from these earnings. Shit that it happened, but I don't really feel sorry for the guy. If they have enough to legally charge him, then he was either not careful enough with how he did his business, or just thought he could get away with it.
I also think their tactic is to scare him and others like him to stop doing what they are doing. All the news I've seen from Games Workshop recently makes them out to be pretty scummy, but I think they have the right to protect their business and their assets.
Also there's most likely issue that even if models were given away for free by GW there was probably some kind of license agreement where further distribution is prohibited, especially if someone requests money for it. Not to mention IP copyright infrigment by requesting money for those models. Is it scummy action by GW? Yes. Are they within law and right to do so? Even more yes.
@@KevkossYeah, I have to side with GW on this one.
They fell off badly. Double, heck triple down on it.
It’s quite sad
He did get sued for sharing free designs, he got sued for taking free designs for hobbyists, using them to create a product, and selling it for a profit. You cannot do that. It is the very core of IP law.
If people want to engage in the hobby but do not want to pay GW too bad. They own the IP. You use it under the conditions they set or you don't use it.
eMan screwed up because he charged money for it. That was his only problem. He's going to end up bankrupt.
Hes not "sharing" he's selling, even if they are free he is making money on someone else's copyright...and that's illegal
If he has made modifications that are significant then he is free to do what he wants even patents have this provision.
@@ChaitanyaDoshi-pl1sg define "significant"
@@bahamut12th for example if you took a stormtrooper from starwars and added nurgle features to the trooper it would be mixing the two copyright to create something new. This could be one example of significant changes.
@@ChaitanyaDoshi-pl1sg While true, this lad didn't do that. Going by this video, he edited supports and other modifications for ease of printing. The reaction is completely overblown, as expected of GW, but unfortunately EmanG did screw up on this one.
@@ChaitanyaDoshi-pl1sg This would protect against (some) copyright laws, and would be contestable in court. IF he used anything related in names to Warhammer, he'll be guilty under trademark laws.
It’s amazing to me that these companies are going to war with customers and it’s not going to end well for them.
it's not war with a customer though it's a rival buisiness that's using their IP, the guy isn't doing this for free he's charging for it
@@SirBlaze75 Openly hating your customers causes said customers to stop paying, GW loses money, GW starts suing 3D printing dudes, "Look your honor, we're losing money because of 3D Printing!" It's 100% them manipulating the situation. Of course they have the right to sue for copyright infringement regardless, but these lawsuits will be used against 3D printing in the near future to protect these corporations from it. Why buy cheap Chinese made crap when you can just 3D print it yourself?
They’re just securing their IP. Standard business practice. I guarantee that if someone took one of your products and started selling it without your permission, you would sue too.
I mean...according to what I just heard in this video, EmanG was clearly in the wrong, lol. If he'd just snuck the discontinued files out to the public for free, so that people could 3D print their own copies of the models they can't get anywhere else, that'd be one thing. But charging people to access something he had stolen in the first place definitely crosses a second line that makes it hard to be sympathetic.
If games workshop can prove his source files were literally grabbed from one of their games..... That's not sculpting freehand where there would be a greater percentage of variance... The dude was literally taking copyrighted files from one source to publish a copyrighted figure. GW is never going to be able to stop 3D printing from supplanting them and are indeed going to have to adjust their business model... This poor bastard though poked the sleeping Bear one time too many. I feel sympathy for him and I hope he makes it out of the lawsuit okay..... But I can't exactly blame games workshop for fighting against the tide either. Doesn't mean I agree with what they're doing in other areas.... But simple fact of the matter is they really do make some of the best sculpts out there and it would kind of be ashamed to see that ruined by a horde of amateur entrepreneurs throwing out knock-offs. There's not going to be any winners in this..
What learning to do buisness taught me is that, no matter how much you feel or think, the customer holds the power, without them you would never even sell in the first. Like what do they teach people in Western business schools? Woke soy? Honestly idk at this point 😮.
Games Workshop has had too much of the koolaid to think they can survive without their customers.
3d printers and proxy model users aren’t customers of GW.
Were the Warhammer models just freely available for download, or were they freely available for commercial use?
Because when you're talking about copyright that makes a huge difference.
God dangit doesnt people know that if you yonna use copyrighted material never put it on a paywall. Its the easiest way to get sued!
Wait, so is the hobbyist using GW copyrighted designs? If he is then he doesn't really have a leg to stand on.
I've obviously missed something and/or I'm too stupid to understand the situation, can someone break this down for me?
Guy downloaded copyrighted models put out by GW, rigged them to work for 3d printing, then put them behind a paywall. GW sues him into oblivion to protect their IP (defend it or lose it). It would be like if he downloaded a movie and started selling CDs of it to people.
You didn’t miss anything. The hobbyist is in the wrong here. Endymion shouldn’t be supporting him.
OK for the first story its important to know that "Free of use" does not mean you can just destribute it further. I also find it always a really iffy case when people use copied models they got for free or made 1:1 copies to make money with, it is copyright infringement, so if you are so willing to risk them why not publish them for free so you dont overstep too far.
Like you can find carbon copies for Warhammer stuff and other copyrighted stuff and people act like it is not illegal to use those to make money.
Personally I can fully understand a company for trying to stop people from stealing their stuff, however taking it so far is also a shitty thing.
If he was charging for them then the lawsuit makes sense.
GW is doing a kodak... keeping the product as is rather than adapt. If GW just put the stl files available to buy at cheap on their site. They would allow new customers and future fans to join. And offset the people they see as stealing their profit margin. GW wouldn't have to eat their own profit for materials and transport related items.
So the thing is, he put the files he ripped from total warhammer and edited so they're 3D-printable under paywall from his patreon, that's where he fucked up. If you could get the files without paying, if supporting on patreon was optional he'd be fine. There are loads of sites with old world models from total warhammer series up online and they have been up for a long time and they're free. GW don't seem to care unless you monetize it, so he kind of brought that on himself.
At the least, you attract a lot less attention a lot less quickly, if you aren't directly making profit. I've seen GW pursue people over fan projects in the old days before you could even monetize your stuff on TH-cam.
Supporting on Patreon _was_ optional. Every model that I have ever released has been free through my page on Cults3D. I didn’t sell anything through Etsy, EBay, FB Marketplace, etc. I didn’t sell prints, period. That was made up by the claimant.
Is GW that brain dead ? Lawsuit your customers....who range in the million or billions ?
🤷🏻♂️
Some of them are millionaire celebrities like Henry Cavill and the creators of South Park
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium Both of which would bury GW if a lawsuit was filed against them. You think Matt and Trey wouldn't make a South Park episode on this? They'd do it out of spite.
@megaman37456 Im more than aware. I said this under the impression GW was suing the fan base but they were suing a guy they asked to stop selling older models he ripped from a website. The guy got caught stealing and paid the price.
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium caught in the grey area, cause it seems like they released it to the public. And were no longer servicing that generation of figures. Like with Video games and how the 1990-2000 era games have stopped being produced like since 2004
I mean....he put it behind a patreon sub, he is charging money for it and already had a DMCA filed against him. Wtf did he expect? For them to just go "yea sure, you can make money off our IP"? This one's entirely on him. He should've removed any mention of Warhammer the first time he got hit and claimed that it was something else and distance himself from the IP as much as possible, yet he seems to have doubled down on it.
This is what happens when you take money from private equity.
The dude literally stole files and locked it behind a pay wall. The dude was stupid since this is actually a serious case of literally stealing their copyright. If what is stated in the video is true, he 100% stole and sold their copyrighted stuff, no wonder he got sued. This is literally copyright infringement, Like one hundred and ten present he shouldn't have thought he could make money from stealing the files from their games and their designs. this isn't like other shops that do space marine like stuff, this is a 1 to 1 copy. Also not like he did it for free.
Bro’s got Henry Cavill in the thumbnail like he’s the one filing the lawsuit lol, weird choice.
Yeah, this channel uses some weird clickbait sometimes.
Next time he shouldn't put them behind a paywall. That was completely on him and honestly was completely stupid. Ratger ge should have just done commissions and let others give him the files
If you don't commit copyright infringement then you don't get a lawsuit filed against you. He is making money on another's product.
one of the problems you were ignoring is that he was selling the 3D printables without approval, even if they were handed out for free you do not have a right to take that and sell it. No matter if somebody else stole it and you happen to be the one caught you don't have a right to use it.
Endyiom is pissed over the custodies thing and that him and his nazi friends got kicked out.
@@HarryMacklin-wg2bi Nothing I have seen about Endyiom has shown me that he is a National Socialist of any sort.
He seems to be a fan that really loves Warhammer but hates GW and like some people can't see that sometimes GW is in the right when it comes to things like 3D printing. You can't just steal somebody else's property and say it's justified because you don't like them or they are a large company.
@@LunarKn1ght He's just poisoning any critique of this video by tying it to culture war bullshit.
@@LunarKn1ght he doesn’t like warhammer, all he did was that he got shitty over the female custodies and tried to say the whole same slop of women, ethnicities and LGBTQ+ being the thing that would cause a chain reaction to result in WW3.😊
@@HarryMacklin-wg2bi how can someone be so ignorant and dumb ? classic woke bs ,please shut up
They ignored John's advice... they didnt stop digging that hole.. eventually it will fill up again with GW inside it