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Intel's CPUs Are Failing, ft. Wendell of Level1 Techs
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Intel's CPUs, including the 14900K and 13900K (and others of those generations) have had ramping instability reports from consumers for months now, but Wendell of Level1 Techs has sources stating that Intel's CPUs are also failing in enterprise and server deployments. This concerning development suggests that some of the prior PL1 and PL2 configuration issues may be a different issue or red herring, as the server boards don't push power to the same extent as the consumer Z790 motherboards. We talk with Wendell about what this means and what's next for Intel.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Not So Fast There, Chuckles
01:15 - The Story So Far
05:32 - The Smoking Gun
09:27 - Fifty Percent Failure Extrapolation
14:17 - Does This Unfairly Undercut AMD?
18:49 - The True Cost
20:14 - What Must Intel Do?
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WATCH WENDELL'S VIDEO! th-cam.com/video/QzHcrbT5D_Y/w-d-xo.html
We're also working with Wendell to explore the tip we got recently. Will take some time though as it requires getting failed samples in from people. If you've had one, email us!
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Just let r/pcmasterrace know the prophets have spoken
This was a great video. Always love l1techs
Intel is not just failing they are being humbled for thinking they are too big to fail
PC hardware history teaches us that even the giant can fall when they think they are immortal
But really Intel caused this issue by putting the pins on the mobo they gave OEM motherboard makers too much control and you see the turnout
I watched that earlier today and while I was expecting a GN video update I didn't expect it so soon mere hours after watching Level1Techs!
Former Intel employee here. I resigned from a firmware team almost exactly two years ago due to the highly toxic internal culture. I know from firsthand experience that those who don't "go with the flow" tend to get systematically suppressed. I've watched Intel since then, and I can't say I'm surprised by any of this. In fact, I predicted that they were pushing their silicon too hard since the release of 13th gen and that they were likely pushing their margins too hard and wondered whether we would see premature hardware degradation. Here we are a few months after release, and we are seeing what is likely a result of degradation.
Is this boeing?
@@Dommifax Not far off.
That sux, more so because Intel is not only one of the 2 biggest providers of cpus but also the most serious Microsoft competition.
You need a interview with tech Jesus
How does Wendell's comment about CPU temperatures and voltages *not* being a probable reason not contradict you?
Someone sneezed in the clean room. 😂😅
Oops 🤣🤣
Would be a great setting for a Mr. Bean sequel.
Sorry guys, that was me 😭
you could say it is a computer virus
Bob, you did it again. Patrick will be pissed.
Intel engineer horror movie - "I know what you developed last summer"
Underrated comment 😅
Reminds me of when my late friend Dr. Kip W4KIP found the Pentium error. He tried to call Intel and tell them. They thought he was crazy. 3 months later, the poop hit the fan; they called him back and wanted details. I think their heads are in the sand again.
May I have some details on this Pentium bug? I'm a bit of a computer historian and I don't have any record of this
@@AngelaTheSephira Pentium FDIV bug, prompted a recall of the affected processors in 1994. Intel claimed losses upwards of $500,000,000 resulting from the recall.
Wooooooooow
Buying a used cpu in this lineup is going to be horrible situation, noones going to be touching that with ten foot pole
Depends, if the price goes down to a point where it can underperform being nerfed or such. Someone could buy it for budget builds.
@@TMAN-lk2ddOnly if it can be mitigated that way, only if the physically damaged hasn’t already happened, and only if the buyer knew about it to start with, etc. Some enthusiasts may be able to benefit, but there will be a lot more people that’ll feel like they’ve been scammed, and there’s a good chance they won’t be able to get a replacement.
I don’t buy used parts anyways the one time I did the motherboard boot loops whenever I run the ram in dual channel configuration 😂 used parts too risky then & DEFINITELY now with these issues
Livestream: Running 14th Gen Intel until they all can't do math right
@@masterk5066 I had that same issue when after doing a GPU swap on my x470 motherboard. I can only assume I somehow flexed the board enough to damage a trace the second channel used or something like that. Now it gathers dust in my closet.
I have had 100% success with used parts so far though, that was a board I bought new. Also had a corsair 8GB DDR4 stick fail and they ignored my RMA submission, so I don't buy corsair now.
A little disappointed Wendell wasn't summoned out of a portal.
He normally arrives via server rack! Unfortunately, none were available. We went old school for this one.
It took 42 Intel 12900K CPUs to make him appear previously. Unfortunately, the upgrade to 14900K has exerted too much instability on the portal and a rift may occur. This is the responsible option.
They needed to resort to more stable legacy methods of Wendell deployment
@@holmd90RS-232?
@@GamersNexus lmfao
After 8 months two days ago I finally got my new i9-13900kf. I was having a slew of BSOD, random shut offs, and game crashes. It started with CS2 crashing, and then from there over the course of 6 months it got worse and worse until the last month of my RMA process when it would BSOD/ turn off 10+ times a day. Absolutely absurd support timeframe. And they completely neglected to reassure me that the issue wouldn't persist.
because they could not reassure themselves the issue wouldn't persist ☠
Try buying 3 cherry picked 13900KS cpus and experiencing similar issues. What a joke and a waste of my time.
Coulda had a 7800X3D....bonk
wow. sounds like a nightmare.
whats your current status now?
It is so funny, meanwhile I got a 12900kf for $160 new, yet I bought an 13700kf to wait for the class action lawsuit on intel, easy money baby!
i would just like to remind everyone that Wendall is not suicidal. just for future reference.
Luckily he isn't talking about Boeing.
Is there some kind of meme I'm missing here? I see this all the time.
@@vincentkuipers9577Basically one of the standout Boeing whistleblowers died under suspicious circumstances. Although his friends and family stated before his death that he was not suicidal, the official investigation was closed with the conclusion that his death was suicide.
@@vincentkuipers9577 Whistleblowers seem to convieniently commit suicide.
@@vincentkuipers9577It's related to whistleblowers being assassinated. Two Boeing whistleblowers died within a month or two of each other recently under shady circumstances.
Intel is leading the best AMD Ryzen campaign that AMD ever had!
Haha yesss😂
The power of competition. When AMD finally caught up to Intel 4 years ago, it caught Intel unaware and now Intel are doing things to their CPUs that they never would do to push performance beyond their safety spec. Intel is ruining their hard earned reputation on uptime and stability.
damn son ^^
fair
User Benchmark absolutely seething.
Can't wait to check what kinda bs those guys are gonna put out.
I've said it before, but it feels like Intel's been taking an old, 4 cylinder turbo ICE and just gradually cranking up the PSI on the turbo year after year hoping the engine holds.
@@JohnDoe-bm2nu Just fixing it with a new tune and calling it a day is what Intel is trying to do now even though you already got degrading crank bearings due to the HOT tune it was running before. lol
Intel once had a "product release" of a multi-core Xeon. Where analysis of the video indicated they did cryogenic cooling. On a special motherboard where a full side of the PCB was jammed with switch transistors to power the CPU. Estimated CPU power about 1 kW - overclocking like crazy just to make it look fast. The presentation held one day before AMD had their release of new Epyc processors. Which obviously did not need overclocking. And was directly ready for shipping, since AMD didn't "release" a fake product.
Yes - Intel definitely have been playing with overclocking tricks multiple times to handle the AMD onslaught.
@@perwestermark8920Reminds me of the gigahertz Pentium 3.
Intel 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Cmon, they did this already. They hardly ever come out with something 'new'. Increase power and say OH MY GOD IT'S THE BEST!!!11 😅
Nah they keep adding more cylinders, but now they're not even all the same size!
"1 error a week on a non over-clocked configuration is not than bad"
The amount of errors I expect to see from my CPU per week, per month or per year is 0 (zero). That's exactly the amount of errors I have seen from my cpus in the past. If I have a single CPU error, I would expect it is either old or dying, or the game is doing something iffy. When a see a second error, I would immediately conclude that the CPU is broken and I need a new one.
Guess I will not look at intel cpus for a few more years.
Agreed. A cpu that can't even run a few days without an error is absolutely unacceptable.
Even one error per month is NOT anywhere near ok.
Once per year i could probably ignore, or not even notice, but if it was a known issue, i would rather buy something slower/more expensive/other negative instead.
Just not acceptable...
Are you talking about personal use or private use? Because, the difference is 168hrs a week vs ~20hrs a week of usage.
@@chunkylover123ish Uh, i don't know about YOU or anything, but at least my PERSONAL PC for nothing but private home use runs 168 hours per week.
I only reboot every few months because windows updates forces me to do so.
My previous W7 system, its record constant uninterrupted ontime was about 11 months IIRC.
@@chunkylover123ish @chunkylover123ish it does not matter. CPU just should not break. Whenever I buy a new PC or laptop, first thing I do is I test my memory. This involves several days of intense CPU workout. The assumption is that CPU never breaks and good memory has 0 errors, so if there are any memory errors that would mean unstable overclock or just bad memory sticks. I never encountered CPU errors that way.
@@chunkylover123ish Private use here, the 13600k system that I've got runs multiple low priority baremetal servers 24/7 with brief downtimes by choice every other month due to firmware updates for stability and swapping out drives to cold storage every four to five months.
Whatever they did with the 13900k and the 14900k bares questioning on why it has stability issues.
The folks who make Warframe, which uses its own engine, have also determined that a majority of startup crashes with NVIDIA drivers in particular as of late were happening mostly on Intel 13th and 14th generation CPUs. They recommended that people follow Intel's suggestion to update the BIOS on the motherboard.
I am an investor in Intel and like to know if the updated bios help or not. Also, do you think that Intel is making it to be more compatible for their product and not competition?
@@jacobtaylor7506Sell it and short it.
Randomly posted this video in our work chat. One of our developers has been stumped trying to fix this and didn't know it was related to processor. THANK YOU
This channel is awesome!
How did Chipzilla fracked up so much?
This needs more visibility!
sure, it was the cpu. let me guess, PHP eCommerce Developer? Was hunting a "Linux Kernel Bug" before? ahahah
Yeah. I wasted days on this stupid issue. Test server would not pass tests. Random kernel panics
Chips then: Work for 15 years without any traces of degradation.
Still support factory clocks and overclocking today.
Absolutely. I wonder if the issues are partly to do with the manufacturing process. The old 32nm and 22nm nodes were rock solid. 14nm seemed OK, too, but their 10nm process seems to be a total dud. Their first gen Whiskey Lake and Ice Lake laptop CPUs based on that process had to be heavily underclocked out-of-factory for a reason, I guess.
my 2500K spent all its life overclocked to shit @4.5ghz. been through hundreds of games, the crypto mining craze, etc... runs like day 1 and still holds 4.5.
@@totalermist I think this is directly related. The smaller the transistors, the more vulnerable they are to degradation.
The latest series of processors operate at maximum overclocking from the factory and the throttling temperature limits are exceeded by many tens of degrees.
I have a FX-8350 Black AMD build that is operating as a Linux server right now. I went overkill on the cooling for that bad boy - two very large Noctua fans sitting on top of a GIANT heat sink (it was my last air cool build). When I turn it on it sounds like an APU :D It gets the job done though and still plays pretty decently with the 1080 Ti I have in there.
@@marcusmt4746 you know that z80s and 6502s are still working from the 70s and 80s? That's a bit longer than 20 years. It's usually the capacitors that die first.
Intel: this is fine...
Narrator: But it wasn't fine.
That's soo Apple
My current build I used an Intel CPU (13900K) for the first time. It ran beautifully for the first year. However in the past 2 months I’ve experienced random crashes in games. I’ve reinstalled windows, replaced the RAM, replaced the NVME drive, tried using windows 10, and even replaced the motherboard. I never thought it would be the CPU. However I am now convinced the factory single core boost has fried my cores leaving them next to useless.
im a linux user with a high-end 14th gen intel cpu who's experienced almost all of the issues described in this video, in both gaming and heavy code compilation contexts. learning that it's not just me is very validating for me many hours of attempting to fix it.
You should apply for an RMA
rma and buy amd 😂
was it like this from the very start? or after a while
Yes, apply for an RMA sooner than later as there may be crush later on of people who don't have issues still swapping out their chips.
how long was the time from first boot to failure in decimal years? laptop or desktop? oc?
Thanks Chuckles!
Here's me running on i7 4770K with 1600mhz ram for 10years no issues.
I have de-lid my 13900KF, and to my surprise found a nice little air bubble in the IHS solder. It wasn't huge, but at least 1mm in diameter. Sadly did not document the process.
For a very long time, when a fault occurred in a PC, the processor was the only component which we were 100% sure it hadn't failed - and this was always the case.
It feels strange to me that an Intel processor can fail after a limited number of thermal cycles - but, I guess, they pushed the specs too far this time...
I used to work at a PC repair shop about 25 years ago (man I'm getting old). I can count on 1 hand the number of defective CPUs I encountered. Two of which were destroyed by the same defective motherboard.
I had an intel 4690K fail after about 8 years of being overclocked. It lived a good life and stayed relevant for a really long time.
I have 13500h and every time without fail core 03 hits 85-90°C on windows boot. I even disabled Turbo...
IDK what's going on but I'll probably sell this laptop as soon as guarantee will expire.
I remember DX4-100s getting a bit toasty - but that's a fiar few years ago.
@@drayke8886 the 13th gens run hot for sure. Idk about on laptop but on PC it's become standard to undervolt them using lite load settings in bios. Look it up. I went from being near 90 95c regularly under load to more like 70 with no blue screens. Reducing voltage like this also likely to help prevent any degradation like seen in this video
_"GPU VRAM limitation"_
Meanwhile the guy with the 3090 and 24GB VRAM: wait, what?
classic reddit nonsense
Shoulda bought the H100
My friend has a 13600KF (edit: had the wrong model written, still affected) and a 4090 and he keeps crashing in cs2. Only just learned of the instability, this seems similar.
@@4kirb Does he have Rebar enabled?
I saw similar post few days ago at first descendant discord:
I got out of vram warning and i got 4090? Wtf
I love the term "blast radius" too! In IT security, it refers to how far malware can spread in a network or environment; segmentation between workloads being the key to mitigate this risk.
just gave up on my 14900k and built 7950x3d system, will RMA it and sell on eBay unopened to anyone willing to try their luck. Even on stock it would crash, 8 months of pain, and I work in game dev. remotely.... last 4 months the bloody browser tabs started crashing due to CPU errors, that was last straw. Have been on Ryzen 9 7950x3d for 5 days now and loving it.
Exact same thing happened with me regarding the browser tabs crashing. Not just games, but VSCode, DBeaver (programs for work) all crashed and random times.
Same experience here, posted comments with my issues.
Aye my 14900k reached a point that even attempting to load a game would black screen the pc and it BSOD a few times just playing youtube.
I work at a high volume PC repair shop where we deal with a lot of gaming PCs. We typically have between 3-5 13900k or 14900k systems per week that come in with really odd behavior. Typically games either fail to launch or crash shortly into a game among other things. When running OCCT during a CPU stress test, the CPU almost always fails. Switching to a test 13700k completely eliminates all issues.
I am not sure why the failure is happening after just a few months of ownership of the CPU. But my theory is that the CPU is "cooking" itself.
Whenever we find the CPU has failed testing, we tell the customer to either switch to a 14700k which seems more stable or to swap to an AMD CPU.
Based on what known, i7s will eventually crash the same way just later. Degradation happens top-down.
Or use your warranty and get a free CPU.
so is this with XMP on or off?
I was tinkering with a 14900k system last weekend and it was unstable with 64GB of DDR5 at 6400MT/s. I sniffed this out by running Y-Cruncher. Once I added +0.01v to the Memory controller, it was fine.
I also had been running a 13900k for over a year and I've had no trouble with it. Although I've set the BIOS up to where the VCore won't spike past 1.35v and I manually tuned the RAM. The 13900k I have is not a good chip either. It needs 1.325v to run stress test stable.
The 12th gen was the last good gen. 13,14 and 15 will just be an overclocked 12th gen. Intel people get mad when AMD does it, but Intel has been doing this for decades. So many useless skus
I just tested 25 brand new 14700k desktops for my classroom before deploying them today. 18 of the 25 computers are doa. CPU's are defective. Won't even boot to OS. Still have 20 more to test for another classroom and I expect the same results.
My current build has been an absolute nightmare, between a burnt 4090, CONSTANT CRASHES since getting the machine, 2 Mobos, 2 CPUs 13900k -> 14900k, 2 sets of RAM, moved my OS to a new SSD. I've done the undervolting, the underclocking, all that shit... still having crashes in titles like Valheim, Apex Legends, and Ready or Not.
I finally said screw it today... just sent off for a 7800x3d and the mobo/cooler to go with it. I just want this build to be stable so I can enjoy my primary hobby again.
I had a nightmare upgrade as well, but on AM5. Crashes, POST failures, BSOD when using Expo, GPU detection failures, USB glitches, terrible onboard Wifi, I could go on... It was a Microcenter bundle and I live too far away to do anything about it so I had to RMA the lot and eBay it. If you happened to order a MSI PRO B650-P WIFI or similar, cancel the order. I'm on an ancient i7-5930K for the time being and it's slow but it works 100% of the time.
So far from my experience msi's low end am 5 boards have been an absolute nightmare I've used as rock Asus and gigabyte in all of them have worked fine @@JPDuffy
@@JPDuffy For what it's worth I've had nothing but good experiences with my ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi which I bought for $125. Except the onboard Realtek NIC seemingly being physically defective & causing instability but it was nothing a PCIe card and disabling the onboard controller couldn't fix anyways. I'm sure the higher end ASRocks are even nicer.
You’re not alone my friend, it’s probably what I’ll do next, time to switch to the red team 😅.
I've recently upgraded to a 14700KF, apart from a defective power supply that lead to various sudden crashes and OCP shutdowns, and two broken fans, the system seems to be running okay for now. Well, at least as long as I don't disable the onboard NIC and don't put my x540 NIC in the second PCIe x16 slot. I've seen some weired BSOD's if I do that but that's possibly a PCIe-incompatibility. Everything is fine, if the x540 is placed in the PCIe slot at the bottomn (that is wired to the chipset) and with the onboard NIC enabled. I am still worried though.
Thank you for covering this ❤
Once you let the creatures with marketers' souls touch anything, it's on the road to hell.
Kind of like whenever elion musk touches something - IE Twitter.
Vaseline on the bios settings.
@@jediknightdiscomike22 before Elon - twitter was 100% shit.
After Elon, Twitter is 99% shit.
@@kramnull896213:26 😊😢
😢
You always hear stories about how there's like 3 people in the country who understand the arcane software written in Cobol or Fortran that keeps the traffic lights working or manages the backbone of the internet infrastructure, and that guy is Wendell. It's always so cool to see him on the show.
Our government is trash
In other words, Wendell IS HIM
Could be this Wendel: th-cam.com/video/qcnPfHS24Pg/w-d-xo.html
That might be true. That one guy probably retired after the 12th gen went out the door and now no I've had a clue
My lecturer was one of the few people who knew cobol in scotland UK. she said she would get a call every so often to go away to belgium or something because she was 1 of 5 in the world at that point in time who knew cobol. she also had a really successful business making teddy bears that sold easily in the four figures. they weren't huge or anything, normal sized teddy bears but people paid stupid amounts of money for them.
she was scottish and didnt take ANY $hit, hard as nails, once you got to know her she was really cool though
The amount of investigative journalism being done by Steve (GN) and Wendell (Level1) is just unbelievable. Just imagine the state of IT enthusiasts space without their findings and exposes, all of that would go under the radar. Thank you Steva and thank you Wendell for this one as well.
Many existed before Steve, Wendell and TH-cam. Many of us chuckle about AOL, dial-up, C64's, Sinclair's and TRS-80's.
Thank you steva
Sorry, can't help it
More great reporting.
I really appreciate Wendell coming on.
Someone with a home server lab here. I also have a failed 13900KS currently limping one of my servers along. It worked fine for just about three months before committing die. At first I suspected the GPU, then the RAM, then drivers. Then the OS. And lastly I found out (after a lot of hardware swapping and reinstalling) that it's the CPU. Up until now I thought I just had an unlucky chip.
What helped me along to get it back to a partway usable state was to increase the cooling effort. Getting it down from 70C to 40C greatly increased it's stability, but it's steadily worsening.
I think that in a few more weeks I'll have to bin it.
A shame, 700$ CPU that lasted not even a year.
RMA it until Intel just gives you a refund
@@Nighterlev Sadly it's from a private reseller. So they're probably not gonna do shit.
@@ThePowerofElectricity Well if you're still able to get a refund from the private seller, do that to.
I imagine Intel is going to do a recall pretty soon of this stuff anyways.
It's freaking cruel for people who buys top of the line CPUs, spend some money for extra performance and get screwed by the companies for being the most excited customers. I remember going top-dollar (for the time) to buy a 3930k on a X79 platform at the time (one of the first hexacores CPUs at the time), and the platform being extremely unstable for a long time until I had 2 different BIOS updates. Intel CPU on Intel motherboard. Never again, now I stay at least 1 step below the top-notch, everything just works out of the box better.
Strange, my 3930k ran flawlessly since day 1, in near 24/7 service for over 10 years before it got replaced by a newer machine. Intel's decision to not make their DX79SI compatible with Ivy Bridge E is not so great, otherwise I could have upgraded the machine with a secondhand E5-2697v2 and got a cheap performance and efficiency boost.
If you're buying top of the line it's still your responsibility to do your due diligence. If you have the money to always buy top-end CPUs you should also have the brains not to waste it on defective products like 13th & 14th gen Intel CPUs. Ryzen 7900X/7950X has had their share of issues but at least they are fixed now and aren't being revealed to have a massive hardware fault.
@@NiHaoMike64 That was precisely the same motherboard I had. Had to update the BIOS a few times before it got stable. I also worked 24/7 for a long time. I had 8 sticks of 4GB RAM since day 1, maybe the memory controller wasn`t 100% ready at the time I bought it. Dunno. After the updates, it ran smoothly.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken If you`re buying an Intel CPU on an Intel MB, using QVL Kingston memory, you expect things to work out of the box. That was my point. Fixing the issues is an obligation of the manufacturer, they`re not doing us any favors. You bought the best, you expect the best.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken lol what. you say it like somehow people should somehow know this was going to happen. I'm sure you saw this coming huh?
Keep in mind, they're so rich they own a massive fab. Zero excuses for not revising the dye, and making it right to their customers. Let's see if Intel gives their loyal customers the shaft.
If?
@@penteractgaming yup
I'm wondering if part of the delay is they don't have a way to fix it right now. These are basically the best chips Intel could create at the time, and if there is a problem with the fab process causing this, it's not like they just have something better they can hand out. Only Intel knows if this issue impacts the 15th gen CPUs they are fabbing right now.
They own the fab but fired the old guys who knew how to run them.
Intel customers are getting shafted exactly because they are "loyal" despite having better and cheaper options for about 5 years now. They asked for it. Intel delivered.
Boeing: we're fked
Intel: hold my beer
Eh, at least Intel isn't killing people.
The worst decision I have made was to buy the i9 14900k, and combine it with a 4090... the consumption is absurd and the heat it generates is too much. Too many blue screens and the profile that Intel recommends leaves it well below what the current generation promises.
Do some research before buying
would you recommend the i7 14700k for 4090? around 20 frames less for games, but possibly more stable?
Undervolt it and disable e cores
@@inGameweTrusteddidn’t fix my 13900k. I even under volted and it still failed
This feels like a first world problem. The 4090 is fine and naturally runs cool, plus it's got a great architecture that allows it to run very well when undervolted or power limited. With the CPU, everyone knows AMD thrashes Intel with their efficiency and price to performance.
Steve, mate, I am really 12 hours away from making a 45 mile trip to the nearest Micro Center to get parts for a new PC (my trusty 4790k build from 2016 finally died) all set and researched list to buy the 13900K and you convinced me to scrap it all and go with a 7900X3D build instead, thank you for your investigative journalism!
I still have TWO of those i7-4790K systems. Additionally, I'm still running an i7-8700, on a Asus Z390-P MB. Planing on upgrading to an i9-9900K.
why would you buy a 13900k today, makes zero sense - and then conclude that you are going to switch to a notoriously high maintenance amd processor lmao
Why would anyone consider an Intel CPU at all? Even before this revelation?
Genuinely curious.
@@a5cent Because some people have been running Intel for multiple builds since late 2000s and stuck with familiarity.
@@ChwibiKira makes sense
Interesting discussion. Appreciate the depth and exploration.
Have an Asus b760 with a 13500 does this at 5 hours on the dot for me. Happy to send it in as I can't sell it if you need a low-end scenario. Initially it was 1-2 times a month. None of the nirsoft blue screen views have been consistent with an error, but all the accepted fixes for those bug checks have been applied. The problem has gotten worse slowly over 18 months. Happy to help.
It’s been amazing to watch how Steve has become more and more respected within the wider PC industry, so much so that vendors are now coming directly to him to aid them in their “battles” with the companies.
All of that hard work & determination over these past years by Steve & the GN team has now put them all in a trusted and valued position & they’re now influencing the wider industry. Just amazing in my humble opinion.
agreed. It's also very refreshing to see that doing proper reporting based on ethical and journalistic standards indeed can still be a sustainable business model. GN is such a good counter example that gives hope looking at the broader state of journalism. But esp. in a field like product reviews where the temptation to just shut up and take the money (or free-"review sample"-totally-not-conditioned-on-your-content) is so high as to make it seem impossible to be an honest actor and not be instantly at a disadvantage. Thanks Steve.
Actually find his repeated comment about another tip that they are withholding so they can gotcha intel to be really odd and counter to his stated goals.
@@Abra63it's not "gotcha"-ing Intel, it's not giving a massive megacorp time/opportunity to cover it up
The devil does not need an advocate, buddy
@@ThylineTheGay cover what up? Steve says he knows the fix. Is he concerned intel might fix it before he can get his scoop?
@@Abra63 he did not say that, he said he thinks he might know where the issue is
Cover it up like pushing out some fix before quite the depth of the problem can be found
Intel: We are investigating instability issues.
Also Intel: 3000,000.00'000 gigaterapetawatts
Itel has a hardwaer problem from 11 yrs ago.
needs more jiggawatts
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the more you buy the faster you crash?
@@Henrik_HolstThe more you buy, the more you save to avoid losing progress.
As a consumer with a previous 13900k that had horrendous issues on an ASUS Z790 Maximus I'm still having unexplainable, random, and straight up weird decompression, segfaults, and kernel panics on Linux (not to mention strange issues with md devices and lvm and generic filesystem corruption) with a Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X and 13900ks. It. Is. Incredibly. Frustrating. And makes me not want to use the system instead opting for an x299 system out of desperation for stability. I have everything bone stock. And have tried literally everything.
just buy a 14700k or a 12th gen then
@@Vyruis noob choice and suggestion, just switch to AMD
Did you try installing Windows?
This all makes a lot more sense to me now. I have a Asus TUF Z790 with a 14900k, 4070Ti and 64GB RAM at 7200... All downclocked to "Intel Stock" BIOS settings and still had crashes! I had to set all the AMPS and Volts manully before getting somewhat stable.
I had issues with game crashes, the computer thinking I had no internet, BSODs and all the way to drivers just uninstalling/crashing. After all my changes, I've been stable for around four days now.... *Crosses Fingers*
Sounds like you need a refund mate
RMA
same i have asus z790 and 14900kf with 4060. i dont know what to do. i lowered my use ration and didnt have any crushes. but still its a big problem because our processors are fucked up now ( from being 90 100 celcius hotness). whats gonna happen now?
Whatever beeping that is in the background has me checking my InstantPot.
I thought my laundry was done. 😂
I'm black so I'm used to it with my smoke detector
I got up to see if the oven was preheated, it was not
It got me too. I have some ribs left over from dinner that are destined to be my 3 am snack, thought that beep was someone nuking my ribs. Thought I was about to be down by one child there for a minute lol.
Who make rice
One of the biggest take-aways from Wendell's video was the price difference on service agreements between a 7950X ($139) and a 14900k ($1,280) server - "3 years parts & labor, 24/5 - Next business day onsite repair - zone 1". For the 7950X, that isn't covering the cost of a single hour onsite repair technician. For the 14900k, that is slightly less than the cost of an Asus Pro WS W680-ACE ($330) + a new 14900k ($600) + 4 x 48 GB of G.Skill Ripjaws DDR5 5200 RAM (2x$190) (total of $1,310).
In other words they really dont think its gonna break for 3 years on loads of their chips for tbe 7950x
@@WayStedYou Yeah. Even if we assume the cost of sending a technician is $139, you want it to make a profit, so that 7950X failure rate is probably estimated to 1 per 9 years (3 service contracts), and it's a software issue. Here we're assuming you want a 3:1 margin.
For the 14900k? Even if no hardware is replaced, and we want that 3:1 margin, we're now assuming 1 failure per year.
And with what Wendell was saying, it's a far higher rate than that.
Another one is he esentially killed the claims that it's just user overclock settings, motherboard overclock settings, bad cooling solutions, bad PSUs, & bad software by getting numbers from datacenters who paired these processors with server motherboards running on Linux
@@monmc6129 No. Hardware defect that causes failure over time under normal conditions.
@@monmc6129This is intel look up all there scandals, every tech company has had theres but imo its intel, nvidia on the top for being the most scumbaggy
Thanks for this video. I'm still on an older 11900K which was affected by the PL1 / PL2 thing but since I've adjusted the PL settings mine has been fine (crossing fingers it stays that way), but now that I know this stuff is going on, I'll avoid the 13th and 14th gen cpu lines altogether.
Thank you as always GN. Interesting discussion. I feel bad for the people who have these Intel CPU's.
I'd speculate consumer failure rate is maybe not 50% because of different loads and configurations, but like he said, I would just think "Oh Windows is buggy again" restart and forget about it immediately.
Funny enough, the only unstable windows system that I had in the last decade turned out to have a power supply that somehow degraded. Took a week to test components and diagnose, but with the new one it's been all smooth sailing. If modern windows really crashes, there's likely something going on with the hardware.
people dont use their CPUs 24/7, of course the failure rate will be lower. Much lower in fact, but may eventually escalate.
If the Intel chips suffers ageing from overclocking and electromigration, then some normal users will also get hurt. It's just that the average load will affect if the processors goes sad after months or after some years.
A few weeks ago I had some problems with hardware acceleration in Brave with my 7900 XTX Nitro+ after updating the drivers to 24 6 1. The 3D function of gmaps didn´t work, playing videos made my pc crash to error 00 (except for TH-cam and Twitch who worked even in multiple tabs at the same time) and some games crashed to 00 too, but not as reliable as playing videos.
I sold the 7900 XTX and went to the PNY 4080S XLR8. Since the RT performance of the 7900 XTX was underwelming I planned to wait for some juicy used 4090 deals after the 5090 announcement later this/next year but with this problems and the 150W idle powerdraw on the 7900 XTX I did the change right now.
I had similar hardware acceleration problems with the 4080S but I had never again some error 00 crashes and I could fix the problems with manual flaggs, which didn´t work with the 7900 XTX. I don´t know what caused the problems but I think it´s something in between Brave, the AMD drivers, the Nvidia drivers and Win11. The GPU change sort of solved my issue but I still don´t know if it was necessary.
It would be worse on servers because their uptime is 24/7.
Will Steve have a meeting with Gelsinger just like his meeting with ASUS?😂
We would all watch that with heavy breathing.
Could be.
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Gelsinger needs to get ahead of this, he needs to get in front of the public, even if they don’t yet know the source of the problem. Keeping quiet on this will kill them.
Lol comparing a company the size of ASUS to a company the size of Intel is like comparing a ma and pa news stand to Amazon.
Crazy how the graph representing DEI on the X axis and Competency Crisis on the Y axis moves in a straight 45° angle.
Awesome collaboration, truly industry Leading content and help to the community. Thank you very much
The L1T collabs are always worthwhile.
Cores for sale! Honestly, the thing I remember most from any gamers nexus video lol
L1T>LTT
@@hanes2 L1T >>>> LTT and GN >>> LTT
Do you mean Gamers Level 1 Nexus?
Crazy thing is how long this flew under the radar. After the news broke it made me think back to posts/threads on various forums I had read where basically everyone was thinking it would be anything but the CPU because CPU failures are so rare. And I hadn't really thouhtt of game server providers who deploy these things in droves, having worked in webhosting/dedicated server hosting for a while I can only imagine their frustration. Looking forward to more videos about this, thanks for the hard work guys.
Instead of GPUs, Intel should stick with what they know. Nobody can compete with Nvidia, they have US politics boosting their stock price. Nvidia is not the most valuable company because the AI is a joke and not real AI. Real AI only exists with quantum computers
Add to that all the Intel fan boys who were blaming the users because they don't have enough cooling and it's on them even when Intel themselves stated that unlimited power consumption is completely fine and the CPU will self regulate...
My 13700k doesn't even run stable with the Intel base TDP settings in UE5 games.
@@wyredAnd you're air cooling, can we guess?
@@kramnull8962 If his air cooler meets the marketed TDP requirement of his CPU, that shouldn't be a problem. If it is, that would be one more marketing lie from Intel.
@@kramnull8962 oh to have such little self awareness
What video camera do you guys use? I honestly think the footage quality is the best out of all tech youtubers :D
Using a 14900KF here and I can talk about the consumer market from my own experience. I've been getting those GPU memory crashes consistently for the past 6 months in about every game using dx12 (battlefield 2042, hogwards legacy, atomic heart, fortnite, avatar FOP). All of those games are impossible to launch at all no matter what you do. I knew something was up because how could I run out of GPU memory with an RTX 4090. I became aware of a possible hardware issue litterally a couple days ago and it explains a lot of things as I initially thought it was a dx12 related problem or maybe even an NVDIA driver problem.
But those instabilities quite literally put Ray tracing completely of the table and for some games, they can't be run at all if using dx12.
Another problem was encoding on handbrake, and davinci. It was extremely challenging to produce a file without crashing.
Anyways, I really hope Intel's going to do something about it.
AMD: "Our 7800x3D has world class performance at 30-40 watts while gaming"
Intel: "Here's a power profile so your CPU doesn't fail as your 14900K draws 300+ watts"
Radeon may not be on par with Nvidia yet, but man is Ryzen knocking it out of the park with performance AND efficiency.
All Nvidia has is the 4090 which is a huge waste if money for marginal gains. Radeon is the Average Joe's best friend.
wish AMD 7950x w the same cores would match the 7800xt once you start doing backround tasks its sluggish- on a 7800xt
This is what happens when you take the focus off your CPU's what Intel is known for and waste time and money with GPU's .😑
@@-INFERNUS- AMD does both
actually AMD is already ahead of intel in terms of CPU...... intel failing at cpus hopefully they can get boosted into gpu market with how bad amd drivers have been lately... I bought a 6950xt and man .its been so great... but I think intels even ahead of AMD in terms of driver performance lol .
Glad Steve is going into this too, Wendell’s video was kinda shocking
Can't wait to see an LTT video where they just sorta paraphrase what they heard from these guys because they have no clue what's going on and haven't spent any time investigating it on their own. Those "I watercooled my pc with a toilet!" videos aren't gonna record themselves.
@@pirojfmifhghek566betting it will only be note on the wan show where linus only read the comments of L1T video
@@pirojfmifhghek566 - I recently watched 7 minutes of an LTT video that still hadn't gotten to the meat of the issue described in the thumbnail. But they certainly DID make time for "a word from today's sponsor". I didn't stick around long enough to watch the 8th minute. Come on, Linus. You really haven't changed like you promised you would.
@@justaskin8523 you were expecting them to change? That said, the video rate went down, content level stayed the same.
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I'm experiencing these failures on a MSI MAG Z690 Tomahawk WiFi Motherboard with a totally stock finguration running TeamGroup Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 16GB) 3200 MHz totally stock (so definitely not a DDR5 issue for me) and a PNY 4080. Getting the standard "out of VRAM" errors in primarily in Unreal games like Jedi Survivor. That game won't start at all unless I use the Intel Extreme Tuning utility and set for 53x.
Also having some other weird crashing issues which could be CPU related, or just maybe the applications and/or Windows 11, but I've been following this story pretty carefully since last February when I started to not be able to even start Survivor, and have alot of other problems with some other EA titles, which I thought at first was just an EA issue.
Looking forward to more on this story, and I truly hope that Intel decides to make us whole. I know my warranty from my system integrator is still good, and they will replace parts for me in a heartbeat (Starforge Support just rocks) but I really don't want to box up my whole system, after removing all the storage and other things I've added like the contact frame and additional fans (it's recommended because you might not get the same system back), and ship it so they can test and replace a CPU that might just start doing the same thing again once I finally get it all back.
That's why I reccomend other people to buy prebuilts, but I don't buy prebuilts. I need to be able to warranty the parts myself. I bought my daughter a prebuilt during COVID though because of cost. I'm sure I'll buy a prebuilt again.
@@itstheweirdguy Normally, I would have. But I won this in a contest, heh. Major drama over it too because I won it right when Artesian imploded, and they were supposed to be the system integrator. Took 9 months, but the contest company Vast not only made good, but actually upgraded the win, and fortunately SF built it.
As Brian from Tech YES City was told at 2023 Computex by some sources (he was maybe the first one to notice these issues while working on 13th gen Intel), the I/O hub was moved to other place on 13th and 14th gen.
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@@bradweir3085 beep boop
I never thought I would see the N-word so flagrantly on this and other popular channels.
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If Steve is tech Jesus, is Wendell tech Moses?
Maybe Tech Elijah.
yes.
John 117
I can picture him in Tech Zeus costume with his mouth open in fake amazement :D
if he bring a pc law written on the stone....
I had this start happening like a month or two after I got my 13th gen processor (13900k) in like 2022 or something. I thought it was something with my GPU or ram and then once I narrowed it down to the processor I thought it was just a faulty product I got. After intel replaced it via warranty and the same thing started happening I thought I was crazy because I couldnt find anything online. I was only tipped off it was a widespread voltage issue after some random Techlinked video mentioning it last year. Luckily I've undervolted it and turned the turbo-boost modes on my MB off and it's been working fine. Still, it's very disappointing that this is happening and if there isnt a quick fix Intel puts out for it I hope they are able to reimburse/replace my current one.
I remember in the 1960s when research into computer architectures fizzled out. Gone are the data-flow machines. Gone are almost all of the direct execution machines. Gone are the stack machines. The problem was only exacerbated by the Risk I research fraud.
Thanks for the insight. I am a retro computer nut but only in the microcomputer era.
@@a120068020 Look at the abandonment of the Motorola 6809. Look at the interrupt idiocy of the 8086. Look at the total failure of the Ridiculous Instruction Set Computer, the Motorola 88000. Look at the MIPS chip which takes 33 instructions to do a simple integer multiplication.
Read "Logic Design Using Algorithmic State Machines".
I recommended a 7800X3D config to three friends.
Two went with it, zero problems for 6+ months now.
One ignored it and bought a 14900k... he's been regularly crashing in various workloads like games and such.
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I have a client that has a 13900K fail and then replaced it with a 14900K... also failed. I feel so bad for him and pointed him to the GN tips line.
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Source: Trust me...
Our office built 7 Intel solvers recently, guess how many of them are functional today? SMH.
It's crazy how something like this snowballs into other areas of the market. I didn't even think of the servers that all the game platforms run. Or the developers that lose part of their customers because their games keep crashing.
Just had this video sent to me and so glad it was, this describes the crash issue I have been having for the last 4 weeks on a 6 month old new gaming PC. Had just got it the problem located to the 14th gen Intel CPU and had started to alter the number of P cores, this has made it more stable but still crashing, now I have some information time to contact my systems manufacturer (Dell) and start a warranty claim.
Turn off xmp, that may stabilize it while working on the rma
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Thanks for the advice I'll look into that today after I start the warranty process.
I initially resolved my issue by downclocking with P-core ratios, but this solution didn't feel ideal. After downloading the latest MSI BIOS with ME 125, I still needed to adjust the P-core ratios. Modifying PL1, PL2, and other settings didn't seem to help.
Recalling Intel's statement about a voltage issue, I decided to set the CPU LLC to Intel default, reset the P-cores to auto, and restored all other settings to their previous values. This approach worked successfully. I tested it by running Edge TH-cam, Claude, Intel Process Tester, Cinebench, and other applications without any problems.
It's worth noting that with these settings, Cinebench R23 scores decreased by about 3500 points compared to when I had set the P-cores to 54 on all but two cores, with those two at 56.
However, I would rather have less performance until the voltage problem is addressed. This approach prioritizes system stability and longevity over maximizing benchmark scores.
See Wendell's video where he recommends running 5-10X the NVIDIA installation to test for chip stability. He said the decompression does a better job of detecting issues over other tests,be.g., Cinebench.
Also as he says he sure to update your mobo bios before doing this.
The beeping in the background coincided perfectly to let me know my oven was done cooking my food. Gamers Nexus got my back so well, they helping me prevent my food from burning!
Just put your food on an Intel 14900K. When the computer shuts down, you know your food is ready.
I keep thinking my food is ready too. Not cooking anything
Thought my microwave was possessed.
Weird, my ASUS Z790 has an update that came out yesterday actually, "Updated with microcode 0x125 to ensure eTVB operates within Intel specifications." imagine that
the plot thickens
That’s the microcode fix that came out a while ago fixes an issue but not all issues.
Stupid question. Did you manually check for that update?
@@soklot I haven’t actually applied it to my motherboard yet but it’s available to download. My cpu is stable so I’m loathe to mess with it!
@@Giljrg It might prevent degradation occurring over time. Operating out of Intel spec might causing this. When instability is your issue then your CPU might be already "cooked". I would not wait with that :)
Being that he says they're ok at the beginning and they get bad, and being the more power hungry modeks, what if it's something related with the cpu pins when power spikes happen? maybe coating degrades? Or something inside the cpu silicon itself
I work at a company where we partially use 13th gen (13700k and 13900k) in code compilation and data science applications. The chips are driven hard and hit thermal limits even under water-cooling (unfortunately without contact frames).
Our 13700k system is experiencing the stability issues outlined here and while increasing cooling efforts and undervolting have lowered the frequency of these crashes i ultimately had to resort to lowering the memory speed to restore stable operation.
Sometimes we run long computations on datasets and the time this issue has already caused is frustrating. Plus the time spent troubleshooting since I'm not actually employed for these issues but as a project engineer :/
I was waiting for the GN video after L1Techs last night. Face to face with Wendel is a nice surprise though.
I have had the same issue on a 14600k
Generational thing, praying that they can come up with a fix for everyone.
They weren't giving these things away.
I'd like $450 from amd for not needing to buy their crap.
What a video to have come out while my i9-13900k PC is currently at a computer repair shop for crashing
Hey, its Tech Jesus and IT Moses!
I like how these interviews just happen in random places lol can the next interview be in a sewer system?
Four Seasons Total Landscaping would be a fun location.
I must second this.
The next interview is scheduled to happen behind a Wendy's.
this was filmed at Computex at Taiwan last month, so basically there could be a new video coming out tomorrow or something like that. because Wendell did his research and video June 25th (BIOS update version mentioned) and the location was the same as with HU Steve, just a bit to the left if I'm not mistaken.
Ah makes sense, I figured it was relevant in some way.
awesome lighting in that scene, audio was also pretty good! (even before the lights went on :D)
The Level1 video on Intel was great (so was the microsoft/Qualcomm video.) Very excited to see the GN deep dive on the issue.
With a lot of the talk about power limits and all that... One thing to remember, a single core running full bore is drawing full current/power for those circuits. If that is too much, then the core could be degraded. Games for example can certainly push a couple of threads/cores hard. Overall temp/power will of course be low(er).
A lot of people run the AVX offset at 0. I do not believe that is default. That can cause the AVX units draw a ton of current in certain circumstances.
So when can we expect the video with that "other tip"? Sounds juicy.
knowing them, it may be 3 months later and 2 hours long.
After hundreds of Intel customers dump even more money into that pit.
Dumbfounded and pissed when their systems goes down because 'it wasn't supposed to happen to them', 'it never happens to them'. 😮
I'm kind of surprised they didn't elaborate because consumers need to know what's going on. Maybe they're trying to be 100% so Intel can't sue them or something though.
@@dhLotan probably the reason why nothing was mentioned because as I stated in previous comment elsewhere this was filmed at Computex so about a month ago.
@@syrupybrandy2788 True, and it'll be absolutely worth the wait.
13900k to a 14900ks, two motherboards, it's all been a s*** show for me the past year since upgrading to Z790. Stability is awful, BSODs all the time, insane power plans, crazy thermals and voltages. Just swap the VGA team with the CPU team already.
Just curious: does this have you wanting to jump to Arrowlake is soon as it's available or jump ship for Ryzen 9000 series?
Quite the opposite here, my fear of AMD platform was totally exaggerated. 7950x with MSI 670e tomahawk, dual boot linux and wannabe os, everything is smoother then ever was on intel. Even fixed the long post screens on expo ram.
@@DeltaSierra426 Different than the person you asked, but I am considering both - I will wait and see what benchmarks are like, but I'm also targeting a 15700k... which the i5/i7 seem to have less issues than the i9. Intel, no doubt, needs to figure out their stuff cause they used to be the pick for, "it just works."
Just don't use an i9. The i7 works great and if you flash bios and use intel power limits it should last. None of the systems I have built using the i7 have had any problems. My personal system is the most stable I have ever owned.
I can also talk about unstable 13th and 14th generation CPUs. My first CPU, a 13700k, became very unstable from one day to the next, even with low temperatures. I replaced it with a new one, and it runs stably with the same Windows installation. I have now chosen to undervolt it where it is stable.
My friend bought an i9-14900KS. It also became unstable, and so did the next one. The third one runs fine, but it has also been undervolted.
20:28 *fix the problem (if possible) _without_ a large performance penalty that is
ahh the vram error. thats crazy
This needs a class action. After so many months Intel must know what's wrong at this point. If they haven't spoken up about it they must be trying to limit liability because there is no fix. Maybe they're waiting for the 15th gen release in a few months so they can replace these broken 13th/14th gen with 15th gen.
Well they can't do that like they did with 13th to 14th gen because 15th gen is a different socket. The customer would need a new motherboard also in order to be made whole.
@@shalemloritsch9382 That's good to know. I hope Intel makes things right somehow.
@shalemloritsch9382 and thats exactly what they're goin to have to do. You pick the chip and have to buy that socket. They will be replacing mobo and chips and i wont settle for less.
15th gen will probably have some HW level problems too.. just look at that overcomplicated Frankenstein monster of a chip it is ... I would be surprised if it doesn't have issues
@@shalemloritsch9382 intel will also release Bartlett Lake S for LGA1700 in early 2025, same 8+16 and also 8, 10, 12 Big cores without e-cores Q3 2025. Cores will be based on Raptor Lake.
I wonder how much this is related to the ongoing chip deformation with intel chips you’ve mentioned before. I could see that causing these issues over time.
Is this video h265? Because its always buffering and i had bad experience watching it.
But the discussed manner is big, so i got through it.
Hope to see more vids from u!
Had my 14900K replaced under warranty by Micro Center. It would blue screen when placed under any load.
Let's go team blue.. screen?
Same. Honestly, my 13900k was working great until I started doing Fitgirl repacks which put the CPU at 100% load for 20+ minutes which meant 283w, possibly more. I seen it one time, but thought I had a RAM problem. In most cases just gaming, the CPU would never hit anywhere close to 250w+, it was when all 24 cores were maxed out at 100%. Of course a 7800x3d will be much more efficient having 1/3 of the cores, but also, when doing decompression of large chunks of data, the 13900k/14900k would no doubt need much more power to use all 24 vs the 8 in an 7800x3d. Gaming wise, I never seen my 13900k go above 25% so far. Shader comp makes it hit 100% and decompression which is where the crashes started after the stability issues of not being able to install the repacks without BSOD, and seemed to have long term effects and break down of the CPU. However, CEP did allow me to install the repacks and get beyond shader comp, but at a cost of not being able to go above 200w on all core workloads. Originally the first time I BSOD, I made it 75% through the decompression of a repack, which eventually turned to under 10% until significantly reducing the power used on all core workloads.
Same, my next step will be to replace it with “weaker” 14th gen for more stability, or just move to the red team.
@@AvreeL89 If I were you I'd probably sell the platform (motherboard + CPU + RAM) and wait for the new generation. No point in buying anything 14th gen right now (that goes double for weaker parts).
@@Mcnooblet Yeah, one of the problems is people who claim there isn't an issue or that it only affects i9s are also not using their chips much. It's mostly light gaming workloads with brief spikes. You put one of these chips under real sustained all core load and they fall apart. I've had a lot of problems with my 14700k. I also do a mix of compiling software and gaming. It's much more likely to die during a compile. (crash, reboot, lock up, etc)
I have to thank you Steve, because of your review of the 14th/13th gen cpu having “practically the same die as 12th gen” I went with the 12th gen and have had zero issues.. feel like I dodged a bullet with that 🫡
That's good to know I'm putting a new system together with a Intel 12 gen CPU, money's tight at the moment and it's going to be a few months to get it completed
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12600k is still the best cpu on the market. I can get one for like 150
You sure did.
I've updated 12th gen (zero issues) with 13th gen (though it was whole PC replacement, I built new system with Mo-Ra instead of Corsair One) - and I had issues since that. Game crashes, corrupted files, various windows and services errors etc.
Then I tried to update to 14th gen to fix these issues - just to find out even more.
And now here I am, -4 ratio offset with all power limits still having rare crashes. Just sitting and waiting for new AMD stuff slowly boiling in my anger.
I bought 12400 (running at 5.2Ghz all core) and a B650 DDR4 mobo with external clockgen so I could upgrade to something like a 13900K from the second hand market to keep this system going long term..... Who THE HELL is going to trust a 2nd hand 13900k or 14900k CPU now.... so I feel proper burned by this and don't even own one of the affected CPUs.
My 13900K died a few months ago while still under warranty. Never overclocked, only was using the DDR profile on the memory, everything else disabled including all-cpu boost (for noise reasons). Got a 14900K as a replacement.
my I5 13600K works like a charm, paired with an MSI Z790 board and two 16GB sticks of DDR5 6400CL32.
also with an RTX 3070.
You aren't allowed to think for yourself. You are supposed to head right to your store and buy AMD because AMD. No matter your current performance.
Reading this comment gives me cringe. @@kramnull8962
don’t think the 13600K is the problem here just the i7 and i9s atm
This makes me glad I stuck with AM4 a bit longer with a CPU upgrade to a 5700X3D earlier this year!
Will just have to wait to see how the 9000X3D chips are like when they're eventually released.
And for the record I've flipped flopped back and forth between AMD and Intel ever since I got started back in the 486 days of the early 90s.
Thank you guys for this transparency. Keep doing a great job both! As enthusiasts and also full time SAP Inhouse consultant, I've been granted a 13th gen dell latitude when I started 2 months ago. Needed to swap a device already as teams was causing issues to Cerlnal. I had maybe 1 crash in HOI4 on my personal rig for the last 2 years (R9 5950x), where I game every evening, which also brings a point amd are reliable when they have plenty experience on chipset
My best guess is that they are having issues with the manufacturing process resulting in lots of defects in the silicon which are not detected in quality control directly as the chips still function at that point, but cause much faster degradation in some parts of the chip which then lead to various instability issues in different workloads. This would also explain why the issues don't all occur while running the same task on different systems, because they all have this issue in a different spot which is more utilized in a certain task.
I love these Steve + Wendell geek-out videos!
I saw his video last night and thought GN needs to cover this. I was not disappointed, lol!
I stayed with AMD for my PC builds since I started doing it 15 years ago, more due to it being more affordable than Intel processors. I'm glad I stayed with them.
I stayed with AMD up until I found out how cheap used office PCs are, and started parting them out. If I were buying new, things would be different, but at the moment 8th gen Intel chips and boards are cheap and quite adequate for a lot of things.
I like gen 10-12. But with crappy asus boards. No reason to buy overpriced Intel chips. My 7600x was less than 200 and out performs my 10850k and 11900k.
You bought FX?
Jesus Christ man, should have gone with an abacus instead since they have better performance, are cheaper and run cooler lmao.
I switched when I started having some heat issues with AMD back with the FX line. I ended up overkilling on the cooling, but even without overclocking it ran too hot for stock cooling. It's ironic that I'm now thinking of switching to AMD because of heat issues :) My i9-13900K regularly hits TjMax.
Did the right choice, keep away from these Intel Volcano lake cpu's.
I sold my intel shares when Wendell's video came out. In this market and having this big an issue, yeah time to head out.
What'd you replace it with, Nvidia shares?
I'd hold on to the Intel shares, honestly. Their desktop i9's are not their big moneymaker.
I hope the media gets a hold of this story and it sinks their stock to $25usd. I'll buy that dip.
I also sold my whole intel position this week
Watched this after Wendell's original/yesterday's video. Absolutely fascinating. Eager to see the result.
I did get a free new replacement cpu out of Intel in 95(@) for that Pentium 90Mhz(?) float point issue. They even sent a nice lifting tool
they also need to extend the warranty to 5y or something.