Just starting working in supermarket refrigeration. Feeling very overwhelmed, but content like this certainly takes the edge off! Lucky to have the resources we have in this day and age!
Wow, this has me reminiscing about when I was working at a grocery store. Our freezers would occasionally get a bit off with the defrost timing and freeze over like this. We would hook a hose up to the hot water tap in the meat department and wash it down like this to melt the ice. I'm a software engineer now and never got into the HVACR industry since computer science has been my thing since 10th grade (I have a master's degree under my belt now), but I was always interested in this kind of stuff.
Love the videos my friend! The worst thing about grocery stores is the food in the way like you said, and also the panels at the bottom that are dirty and grimey with all sorts of crap all over them. Oh and the service call at 9pm on Friday or Saturday 😤
Good stuff Rick. Most generally I use the True.Drain line heaters in the self contained freezers I deal with. Can’t remember the part number. They are rated for 120v. ZeroZone doesn’t put drain line heaters in the o ea I work on
Wow, It's amazing they work at all with that much wrong. I think you did an outstanding job of finding the problems and fixing them. Nice job. Thanks for making the video.
I remember my days working in Albertsons in S Florida. They refused to update their equipment and controls. When they’d call it’s a 10-12 hr day in their store
This is a wealth of knowledge! Please keep the rack videos coming because I am new to this and learning and it helps so much! Also used your affiliate code twice now on TTT!
From what I hear finding a place that can handle 100,000+ people is the problem. And then I think the rest of it comes down to sharing the wealth between the different cities. My opinion is why would you ever have it in Chicago because the place is a shit hole and it’s dangerous. There was somebody shot right in front of one of the fancy hotels while we were there during the day. On average 40 to 60 people are killed over the weekend every week. Plus you’re not allowed to carry your concealed weapon there either so you’re defenseless.
Great video brother! OMG i feel you brother those damn tags! I think when they price change they throw the old tags down in the airflow grate and then they end up in the pan and drain. And the plastic pieces in the handle of the gallon milk jugs in dairy cases. I feel you pain man. When I hired on 10 years ago and they gave me a hose nozzle I knew I was part of the team! Hope you get to feeling better! Thanks for your time.
I have found that too much defrost causes the hoar frost on the small pints. Looking up the cases spec sheet and setting to manufacturers recommend defrost specs seemed to help. In the e2 controller I think if you put it in emergency defrost it will go the whole duration without terminating
This reminds me the good old days sometimes it was easy money on OT . Ones l hated we did several Costco stores & BJ store to defrost big evaporator . Those we had use the fork lift with the attachment cage in the big freezer with two guys & afterwards the fork lift gets stuck inside the freezer concrete floor 😮Great video.
When it come to de icing cases, instead of running a long stretch of water hose, we just use 55 gallon drum or trash can, put it on a distribution cart, fill it up with hot water at the mop sink, drop a pump down into the drum and go to town on it. Also take an old fan motor, cut the two prong power cord off of it, and wire it to a female plug.
Is that how you always terminate those raychem heat tapes? Just regular heatshrink? In their install instructions they want it done a certain way and it seems unnecessary to me
Sorry to hear about the funk you caught!!! Chicago in the middle of winter??? F that!!! Great video though!!! "...that was live....it kinda hurt..." - omg, the amount of times that happened with me and I said that - LOL
We got a store with a set of those old monsters im sorry 🤣...also if your gonna be doing more grocery work get youself a cart and ALWAYS have a shop vac with you. The drains ALWAYS leak on cases when de icing them i swear 🤣
The screens I’m referring to are directly in front of the Txv. This dirt can be caused from a combination of poor refrigeration practices causing carbon buildup in the system and dirty oil.
"that was live, it kind of hurt". I know the feeling all too well, ran the back of my knuckle across the live buss bar in a panel last week, of course I was holding a bare ground at the same time. ZAAAAAP/
Nice video as always! If you don't mind me asking you about your meter the 376fc, how good is it? And have you ever had any issues with readings ohms above 60kohms being that's max range. Have you ever needed to use another meter to measure above 60k?
As you noticed, I’ve been using the 902 FC for a lot of my stuff lately because I made two different tool bags but I love my 376 even better however yeah there’s sometimes where I might get my fluke 87 five or my fluke 117 if I am worried about a higher resistance rating. Most the time we only need a moderately accurate amp meter voltmeter. I just need it to be reliable and turn on and know that I can count on it. That’s more important than anything because that’s what’s gonna save your life.
@HVACRSurvival would you ever consider using a fieldpiece meter? And I agree, meters for hvac guys its our lifeline, cannot cheap out on that, after using fieldpiece for a while im getting an 87v tomorrow so I'm pretty excited to use it, but the fieldpiece meter that I have has treated me nicely
Fieldpiece’s meters are good just not great. They work 95-98% of the time but there’s times when they can’t get the reading correct. Mainly on complicated wave forms. I own Fieldpiece manometers and probes without problems.
I have a customer and there refrigeration cases do not have a drain underneath the case. They have those small pumps that only united refrigeration sells and pumps the water to evaporate. I hate them so much!
This was an hour to an hour, and 15 minute drive up plus that coming back and I was there most of the day. The video was over an hour long. I had to cut a bunch of stuff out and it still was almost too long. I wanted to show using the controller More and show some of the other repairs that I had made and I would’ve liked to have shown the other compressor room which was really primitive looking but when I make it this long, sometimes hard to even get the viewers to stick around much more than 50% of whatever the video is
Yeah, this winter time has been very draining. Plenty of times I come home and just lay around until it’s time to go to bed lol especially with this cold Flippin weather.
When the customer constantly shows you all their problems and won't leave you alone to fix any of theses, I call this "The Tour". They will back stab you later on telling your boss that you didn't fix anything. Sometimes they will pull you off a job to fix Something stupid that they could have fixed themselves, then later on they will complain that the rebuild took to long. Of course no one reads the report to verify why it took so long.
Every store I go in I throw my Milwaukee vacuum in my cart because every store I do some how has clogged drains except the acorns evac stores there awesome
I got called in at 4am on my day off for 20 doors of frozen food down at a supermarket at a location an hour and a half away. Store manager cussed me out because I got there 2 hours after I got the call. I walked out and went home. Guy lost all his product. That was 10 years ago. Haven't touched a supermarket since. Sometimes it's best to just walk away. 😁
I usually tell them how long it will be before I can get there. I’m “always“ on a call no matter where I’m at 😉🤣. I don’t blame you but I would likely catch some crap for that. Obviously the guy was an idiot. He should’ve pulled the product and threw it in the freezer. You’re gonna be at least 2 1/2 to 3 hours melting ice on a case that big.
@HVACRSurvival It wasn't my first time having that customer talk to me that way. It was my first day off in weeks and I wasn't on call. My boss tried to force his hand by telling me I had to go or else. Him and the customer both learned a valuable lesson that day.
I'm not going to lie. Supermarket refrigeration was not my favorite. Wish I had some crabby old guy teaching me how to work those Emerson controllers 😂.
Some of those things I showed about how to pick your options and stuff like that were things that I wasn’t even told about, it took me twice as long to learn it because no one took the time to explain it, and no one gave me a manual. I’ll do more and more of these kind of videos as I get better at racks.
yeah, but if you’ve been doing it this long, you know how many things change from the 80s to even the 90s and then they skyrocketed from 2000 on I still have stores that we haven’t fully converted over to controllers that don’t even know when they have product getting too warm because they don’t have sensors in every case. those turn into disasters and a lot of money lost because they don’t watch the product close enough.
I’ll sometimes help them move some of it but honestly it’s not my product and what if I damage it. Plus I’m not gonna stack it very pretty in a cart. They’re better off to do it themselves.
O and I wanted to say great video BTW I do enjoy watching your work very educational I know if I was doing your kind of work I would come to your channel if I needed to learn something I don't know
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Gotta love those calls when it's not just one issue but a cascade of them... You definitely do a thorough job.
Oh, I had to cut out some of my complaining, but yeah 100% agreed. You feel like you’ll never get done.
@@HVACRSurvival BIut we like to hear everything, LOL 😂 GREAT JOB
We call that a multiple offender 🤣
Thats a lot of work....lots of back and forth......you are a man of many talents....hats off to you Rick....you literally work on everything
Thanks for the support brother! I just listened to the pod cast you were on with uncensored. Good pod cast!
Just starting working in supermarket refrigeration. Feeling very overwhelmed, but content like this certainly takes the edge off! Lucky to have the resources we have in this day and age!
I know the feeling. That’s why I make them. I hope it helps. 👍
@@HVACRSurvival definitely does. You’re doing a service 🔥
Wow, this has me reminiscing about when I was working at a grocery store. Our freezers would occasionally get a bit off with the defrost timing and freeze over like this. We would hook a hose up to the hot water tap in the meat department and wash it down like this to melt the ice. I'm a software engineer now and never got into the HVACR industry since computer science has been my thing since 10th grade (I have a master's degree under my belt now), but I was always interested in this kind of stuff.
Awesome. I was going to be an electronics repair technician originally.
Same here, was always interested in these at the grocery store I worked at. I went to school for HVACR and now doing HVAC controls
Same I was getting ready to go get certified on these but went and became a mechanic
Nothing like working with your hands It feels good to be able to fix something not everyone can do it feels pretty good
One thing i love about watching you work is that you are efficient. I have adopted some of your methods.
That is awesome! Thanks for your support!
There is always something...
No truer statement.
It's always something.
Good video man, Those floor drains suck! Very informative, supermarket refrigeration always has something going on
Oh and I feel your pain about getting sick. I came down with something last week when I was at the hvac school symposium.
Love the videos my friend! The worst thing about grocery stores is the food in the way like you said, and also the panels at the bottom that are dirty and grimey with all sorts of crap all over them. Oh and the service call at 9pm on Friday or Saturday 😤
Oh, don’t forget my most favorite, a piece of chicken with crust on it, then it breaks the crust and then you smell what rotten meat is like. 😅
Well, that was fun. Thanks, Rick!
🤣👍👍😉
Another great video, grocery refrigeration is really interesting! Keep it up!
More to come!
Good stuff Rick. Most generally I use the True.Drain line heaters in the self contained freezers I deal with. Can’t remember the part number. They are rated for 120v. ZeroZone doesn’t put drain line heaters in the o ea I work on
Awesome video ....I'd love to trail around and learn some of that one day
Emergency defrost bypasses the defrost termination temperature so it says in defrost for full time duration.
Wow, It's amazing they work at all with that much wrong. I think you did an outstanding job of finding the problems and fixing them. Nice job. Thanks for making the video.
Thank you very much!
I remember my days working in Albertsons in S Florida. They refused to update their equipment and controls. When they’d call it’s a 10-12 hr day in their store
That’s basically what I had there. I think it was nine hours with drive time.
Rick, I appreciate your great work !
I appreciate that!
This is a wealth of knowledge! Please keep the rack videos coming because I am new to this and learning and it helps so much! Also used your affiliate code twice now on TTT!
@kaden thanks man! Keep at it and you’ll get there. 🤜🤛👍👍
Use to work in grocery stores as a tech but couldn’t stand the on call. Work on anhydrous ammonia for a supper market chain and I love it NH3 😎
Exactly, AHR Expo should be during April/May, that way it can be held anywhere in the country.
From what I hear finding a place that can handle 100,000+ people is the problem. And then I think the rest of it comes down to sharing the wealth between the different cities. My opinion is why would you ever have it in Chicago because the place is a shit hole and it’s dangerous. There was somebody shot right in front of one of the fancy hotels while we were there during the day. On average 40 to 60 people are killed over the weekend every week. Plus you’re not allowed to carry your concealed weapon there either so you’re defenseless.
Much respect for your skills. Thanks for sharing.
I appreciate that!
Great video brother! OMG i feel you brother those damn tags! I think when they price change they throw the old tags down in the airflow grate and then they end up in the pan and drain. And the plastic pieces in the handle of the gallon milk jugs in dairy cases. I feel you pain man. When I hired on 10 years ago and they gave me a hose nozzle I knew I was part of the team! Hope you get to feeling better! Thanks for your time.
Thanks for sharing 🤜🤛👍👍
That and customers ripping them off
Good job Rick.
I have found that too much defrost causes the hoar frost on the small pints. Looking up the cases spec sheet and setting to manufacturers recommend defrost specs seemed to help. In the e2 controller I think if you put it in emergency defrost it will go the whole duration without terminating
Nice work Rick.
Great Video. Thank you for sharing
This reminds me the good old days sometimes it was easy money on OT . Ones l hated we did several Costco stores & BJ store to defrost big evaporator . Those we had use the fork lift with the attachment cage in the big freezer with two guys & afterwards the fork lift gets stuck inside the freezer concrete floor 😮Great video.
Thanks for checking it out!
Bummer on the cold.... But it made you sound like Charlie Sheen.... Winning!!!
🤣👍
Lots of fun 😮😮😮
Orland is going to be way more comfortable for AHR next year haha it’ll be my first one and I’m stoked
True and safer
“Emergency Defrost” is just a higher priority override than “manual defrost” but like you said it’ll still do the same thing
Thanks!👍👍
When it come to de icing cases, instead of running a long stretch of water hose, we just use 55 gallon drum or trash can, put it on a distribution cart, fill it up with hot water at the mop sink, drop a pump down into the drum and go to town on it. Also take an old fan motor, cut the two prong power cord off of it, and wire it to a female plug.
That’s what I use in remote locations like a radio tower. I have used the fan plug idea before 👍👍 that comes in handy.
Thanks for the helpful tips
Great video tx
They should have a drain area freeze alarm that can alert before it becomes a major event.
What’s the sensor look like? I never heard of it
It needs to be invented.@@HVACRSurvival
Nightmare drains... great job.. 🎉
Is that how you always terminate those raychem heat tapes? Just regular heatshrink? In their install instructions they want it done a certain way and it seems unnecessary to me
Works just fine. They’re probably worried about it possibly shortening into something but we haven’t had any problems.
Sorry to hear about the funk you caught!!! Chicago in the middle of winter??? F that!!! Great video though!!! "...that was live....it kinda hurt..." - omg, the amount of times that happened with me and I said that - LOL
🤣👍👍 Thank you!
Never ending , is it ... Thx for great content
I’ve been screeming the same thing about having air in Chicago in the middle of winter. Whose idea was that?
Dude was you there?
We got a store with a set of those old monsters im sorry 🤣...also if your gonna be doing more grocery work get youself a cart and ALWAYS have a shop vac with you. The drains ALWAYS leak on cases when de icing them i swear 🤣
Problem is I’m doing all kinds of different things everyday and I don’t have room for my cart. But I do have my vacuum.
When you say that the screens could be clogged becasue there dirty what’s makes it dirty ? And are the screens for the referagtion side
The screens I’m referring to are directly in front of the Txv. This dirt can be caused from a combination of poor refrigeration practices causing carbon buildup in the system and dirty oil.
"that was live, it kind of hurt". I know the feeling all too well, ran the back of my knuckle across the live buss bar in a panel last week, of course I was holding a bare ground at the same time.
ZAAAAAP/
Emergency defrost means it will defrost full defrost time and will not term on temp
Nice job ;)
Nice video as always! If you don't mind me asking you about your meter the 376fc, how good is it? And have you ever had any issues with readings ohms above 60kohms being that's max range. Have you ever needed to use another meter to measure above 60k?
As you noticed, I’ve been using the 902 FC for a lot of my stuff lately because I made two different tool bags but I love my 376 even better however yeah there’s sometimes where I might get my fluke 87 five or my fluke 117 if I am worried about a higher resistance rating. Most the time we only need a moderately accurate amp meter voltmeter. I just need it to be reliable and turn on and know that I can count on it. That’s more important than anything because that’s what’s gonna save your life.
@HVACRSurvival would you ever consider using a fieldpiece meter? And I agree, meters for hvac guys its our lifeline, cannot cheap out on that, after using fieldpiece for a while im getting an 87v tomorrow so I'm pretty excited to use it, but the fieldpiece meter that I have has treated me nicely
Fieldpiece’s meters are good just not great. They work 95-98% of the time but there’s times when they can’t get the reading correct. Mainly on complicated wave forms. I own Fieldpiece manometers and probes without problems.
I have a customer and there refrigeration cases do not have a drain underneath the case. They have those small pumps that only united refrigeration sells and pumps the water to evaporate. I hate them so much!
I had to deal with that crap before. ItIt suck’s
One thing i have noticed working in supermarkets for the last 9 years is that everything gets run into the ground. Then dug up and run in again 😅
O my…. Say it’s not true 🤣🤣👍👍 I feel you, it makes you callus to the self in inflicted problems
Never know what your going to find, but you will find something. ☺
Very true 😂
Is that Nate bargatze doing refrigeration?? Sounds like em !
How long does a job like those take Rick?
This was an hour to an hour, and 15 minute drive up plus that coming back and I was there most of the day. The video was over an hour long. I had to cut a bunch of stuff out and it still was almost too long. I wanted to show using the controller More and show some of the other repairs that I had made and I would’ve liked to have shown the other compressor room which was really primitive looking but when I make it this long, sometimes hard to even get the viewers to stick around much more than 50% of whatever the video is
nice job bro, was this after hours or are you lucky enough to not have a super crowded store lol
This was during the day at a store that’s located in a smaller country town.
You must be EXHAUSTED. Geez pal, thanks for your vids.
Yeah, this winter time has been very draining. Plenty of times I come home and just lay around until it’s time to go to bed lol especially with this cold Flippin weather.
As a service tech; no thanks. Good work!
It’s not that bad 😅
Videos like this make me thankful i don't do refrigeration, yea i think ill stick to my residential and light commercial work lol.
There’s something for everyone 👍👍
When the customer constantly shows you all their problems and won't leave you alone to fix any of theses, I call this "The Tour". They will back stab you later on telling your boss that you didn't fix anything. Sometimes they will pull you off a job to fix Something stupid that they could have fixed themselves, then later on they will complain that the rebuild took to long. Of course no one reads the report to verify why it took so long.
Preach it brother
Every store I go in I throw my Milwaukee vacuum in my cart because every store I do some how has clogged drains except the acorns evac stores there awesome
I got called in at 4am on my day off for 20 doors of frozen food down at a supermarket at a location an hour and a half away. Store manager cussed me out because I got there 2 hours after I got the call. I walked out and went home. Guy lost all his product. That was 10 years ago. Haven't touched a supermarket since. Sometimes it's best to just walk away. 😁
I usually tell them how long it will be before I can get there. I’m “always“ on a call no matter where I’m at 😉🤣. I don’t blame you but I would likely catch some crap for that. Obviously the guy was an idiot. He should’ve pulled the product and threw it in the freezer. You’re gonna be at least 2 1/2 to 3 hours melting ice on a case that big.
@HVACRSurvival It wasn't my first time having that customer talk to me that way. It was my first day off in weeks and I wasn't on call. My boss tried to force his hand by telling me I had to go or else. Him and the customer both learned a valuable lesson that day.
Nothing like defrosting coils for half your day , at least it goes by quick
Yeah, it sucked.🤣
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That didn't just happen lol
I hear the frustration in the voice that's me 80% of the times in the markets always something for sure
Nope it’s a on going battle keeping the bandaid’s on for “Just another year”
@@HVACRSurvival sucks bro pisses me off too
I'm not going to lie. Supermarket refrigeration was not my favorite. Wish I had some crabby old guy teaching me how to work those Emerson controllers 😂.
Some of those things I showed about how to pick your options and stuff like that were things that I wasn’t even told about, it took me twice as long to learn it because no one took the time to explain it, and no one gave me a manual. I’ll do more and more of these kind of videos as I get better at racks.
You'd help so many people
🙏 thank you!
Not trying to give criticism but I would suggest melting around the drain first so all the water melting has somewhere to go.
You don’t say? Click on this number here so you can hear me tell you exactly that. 2:27
surprised they didn't just cardboard separate the working from frozen up cooler..... certainly they have tons of scrap cardboard they can use. lol
Going in there no gloves , I see you like ro live on the edge eh 😅
I haven’t died yet. It’s called building a strong immune system.🤣
👍💪❄️🇺🇸
It's hard for me to think of the 80's as being really old
Not me, I often remark that people's equipment is getting old as it was put in a year before or after I was born in 1997. And I'm 27 as of last week.
yeah, but if you’ve been doing it this long, you know how many things change from the 80s to even the 90s and then they skyrocketed from 2000 on I still have stores that we haven’t fully converted over to controllers that don’t even know when they have product getting too warm because they don’t have sensors in every case. those turn into disasters and a lot of money lost because they don’t watch the product close enough.
@@HVACRSurvival Just makes me feel really old as I was a teen in the 80s
@@Boodieman72 yea I was too 😉🤣. If your 72 I’m 75
Do you own your own business now, or are still working for a company?
I get paid too much to make it worth my time to do it on my own.
O hell no. Left that supermarket crap years ago. I bet your legs are burning from all that walking. I cant believe you got them to move product.
I’ll sometimes help them move some of it but honestly it’s not my product and what if I damage it. Plus I’m not gonna stack it very pretty in a cart. They’re better off to do it themselves.
Cant fixture there equipment but they can overcharge you for their food.
O and I wanted to say great video BTW I do enjoy watching your work very educational I know if I was doing your kind of work I would come to your channel if I needed to learn something I don't know
Don’t you think you should be wearing gloves?
Gay
I won’t hold that against you but thanks for letting me know your preference. 👍👍
@@HVACRSurvival 😆😆😆😆😆😆
You do a lot of complaining. Just fix it. Charge them all the way. Otherwise, make sure your contract is right.