Haitink: Conducting And The Importance Of Eye-contact
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- Bernard Haitink's conducting masterclass on Brahms's Symphony No.3, recorded at London's Royal College of Music. In this clip, Haitink teaches the student the importance of maintaining eye-contact with the orchestra, even if this means he has to remove his glasses. The full 218-minute class is available to buy here:
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(Student: Timothy Henty)
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Such an incredibly kind hearted gentle man, with a wealth of knowledge to share. Haitink is by far the greatest conductor of his generation. RIP Maestro, you will be dearly missed!
such a loss. an incredible musician and an amazing human being. how lucky anyone was to play under his conducting and to take his classes
We miss you Maestro Haitink!
I certainly felt the fresh joy of the conductors freedom without the script, feeling as opposed to seeing. The inner eye flourishing!.
Wonderful to see the idea of eye contact being promoted so authoritatively and with great love and conviction by the masestro! I've always found that I contact brings so much to the musical experience and it can be felt and heard by the listeners as well as them being able to see that people are truly connected and not in their own little spaces as can often happen, of course not always the case but often so. And like any truly great teacher he devised a tool that was right on the money for this particular student, and we can all learn from the larger message here, that of connectedness and it's deep importance.
Love Maestro Haetink - one of my favorite conductors.
I am (well...I was!) the rather clumsy and shy student in this clip. I'm revisiting it after some time and, though it's mostly too cringeworthy to watch now, thinking again of how life shaping this experience was.
It's not something I learned to appreciate later in life: I knew instantly how valuable this was, and how lucky I was to be there. However, his advice throughout the course of the whole masterclass, on and off the platform both to me personally and to my student colleagues, has taken me decades to digest. Some of it I'm still working on (mostly because conducting is a rabbit hole!) and I recall his words almost daily. It's his sensitivity, genuine care and almost fragile humanity that I remember most. There was no show business about him; he appeared desperately honest, and I think that was borne out in his conducting.
Sad, of course, that he is no longer with us, but how wonderful that he left such a legacy. I still discover phenomenal recordings of his that I've not heard, despite having built up quite a collection. His EMI Ring (one of the few studio recordings) is a fascinating foil to the Decca/Solti set...I admit to having discovered this too recently.
RIP Maestro. You were such an extraordinary inspiration to so many musicians and, like Kleiber, Abbado and others, will continue to be far into the future. PS you were right about contact...and contact lenses. It took me a while after this to work through the confidence issues that were causing the issue to begin with, but it was a game changer, and you flagging it publicly forced me to face them. Thank you ;)
I think as a student you do a good job. It’s near to be able to write you here. Many have spoken to exactly what write here- his humanity.
Side note I’d love to know where your career has taken you!? You know upon rewatching this, it kept getting better and better the more you got into, getting away from the score was the lesson here, and the sound was impressive!
R.I.P 😭😭😭
Would love to take a conducting masterclass with Haitink.
Unfortunately now you "would have loved"
RIP Maestro
@@detectivehome3318 Correct to past tense.
Ahhh I remember this 😎
bravo
And then there's the von Karajan school of eyes closed almost continuously😉 ...I think Maestro Haitink was right, eye contact btwn conductor and musicians is important.
In today's clip, watch #Haitink discussing the importance of eye-contact as Timothy Henty conducts #Brahms 3! th-cam.com/video/idnY8DOCpTw/w-d-xo.html
Oh my God…
Can someone explain why the student conductor had to take off his glasses? His glasses are thin framed and aren't opaque so the performers are able to see the conductor's eyes. Are glasses not recommended for some reason? I understand eye contact and keeping the head steady, but do not see how glasses impede eye contact with performers. Please let me know.
With loss of eyesight, he is not tempted to look down in the score anymore. He now physically opens up to his musicians, because he is not reading the music, but 100% listening. Even with his eyes closed, there is more body language
No eye contact under Karajan, but maybe that's not for everyone?
I wonder if Karijan used more eye contact during rehearsals with the greatest orchestras whom he surely spent so so many hours with. Then later during performance he could leave more to them, confident that the ideas that they had worked out in the many hours of rehearsal would find their way in a more musical way if the musicians are allowed to dig deep and not be completely "spoon fed".
if you listen carefully at the end, then what haitink means becomes a bit clearer.
"You may not see them, but they see your eyes"
And the thing is, he sometimes closed his eyes while conducting.
It's maybe less about literally eyecontact then more that the musicians can more clearly see what is going on in the musical mind of the conductor.
Oh, and there is also the difference of conducting without score.
And the difference of choosing to let go of certain handholds and trusting the gut and the intuition and to actually have to listen way more to what the orchestra is doing. So there are really a lot of different factors which might all be a cause for the better sounding music.
Ah and don't forget the people in the orchestra! They look differently upon the conductor when he chose to take out some safety measures and allowed himself to be more vulnerable.
Does this clear things up for you a bit? (Could have had the opposite effect )
Oboe YEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!?
I believe the issue of conducting without glasses wasn't really to do so much with the orch seeing his eyes. It was a psychological ploy to lift the conductors eyes out of the score and direct the orchestra with head held high. Out of the score.
Klemperer wore glasses.
also Karl Bohm, Wolfgang Sawallisch, Klaus Tennstedt, Herbert Blomstedt.... and so on!
But did not remained glued to the score
This is.... a weird masterclass. Haitink's obsession with the students glasses is pretty bizarre
Nicholas Scott One does not need eyes in order to feel music. If you are blind, you will feel the music even more so. Why must this be such a hard concept?
Hi @@starwarsjunkie7777, you write like an asshole.
Now that that's out of the way. Haitink's apparent reasoning for removing his glasses was so that his orchestra could see his eyes... clear glasses don't prevent this.
I don't disagree that blinding oneself can help one feel the music on a deeper level but on a practical level many conductors feel it necessary to see their orchestra. Some conductors like karajan famously conducted with their eyes closed but many more use eye contact as a way to better engage with their orchestras.
Even though Haitink is one of my favourite conductors I don't understand it either . The members of the orchestra must be a blur to him so how can he give cues ? Plus they know he can't see them . Still this is just 8 mins in a 3 hr class .
I agree with the Maestro - it was about a sense of connection which changed the quality of the playing and thereby the music.
@@paacer The student says at the end, "it's amazing", so clearly it is important, and had a very great effect on him.