@@roypacheco6122Sounds like you take a lot of short trips, short trips kill diesels exhausts systems. That is why I sold my 3.0 Duramax for the 3.5l Ecoboost
I'd like to add you could only buy the powerstroke in the higher trim packages of the F150 (lariat, King Ranch or Platinum) unless it was sold to a fleet company. So sticker prices for the diesels were usually over 60k. It basically priced itself out of the market.
My only problem with your statement is that: Why are you willing to spend $55-70k, for a gas truck? Diesel was 60k, For the gas truck, a well taken care of, might get 200k-300k before a new or rebuild is needed. Diesel engines just get "broke in" at 100k miles.
@@deepseadiver57 That hasn't been true for the last 10-15 years. Modern diesels just don't last like they used, this isn't a 5.9 Cummins or 7.3 Powerstroke
I own this truck. It gets at least 28 miles per gallon combined. The best I’ve gotten is 31 when I really try. I stealth tuned it and I get a lot more power. My state does not allow deleting of the environmental crap. I think this is the best engine ford had offered.
I have the Ford 2018 V6 3.0 Diesel (Lion). I purchased it new in early 2019. And I love it. The somewhat hidden reason Ford killed it almost as soon as it was introduced? There were already too many motor options, and they were frantically trying to make room for the Lighting. So, what did they kill to make room for the Lightning. The Little Lion. Now that I am out of warranty, I will delete the emissions bullshit to get better performance and longevity. It is the perfect truck for me. Great video.
I believe they killed it because of the extraordinary fuel mileage. At 70 mph from NC to FL and I am NOT babying it or exaggerating, 38 mpg hwy....28 in town! Pulled a enclosed trail full, to Maine, better mileage than my 6.7 Power Stroke
They would never kill it due to good fuel mileage; they spend billions to get a fraction of a percent better fuel rating for their fleet to meet EPA regulations for half ton and smaller consumption.
My wife has a 2018 F150 with the 3.0 diesel. She loves it. It has a 6" lift with 35" tires and she gets 22 mpg average. The real reason it was discontinued be Ford claims it didn't sell. Well it didn't sell because Ford didn't market it. They only cared for their garbage ecoboost engines that have so many problems. I talked to so many people that didn't know Ford put a diesel in a F150. Marketing is everything.
@@Pitcrw6 True. Sounds like your wife has a nice truck. Ford didn't market it because they foolishly thought we were all going to switch to EV Trucks. Bad move. Anyway, I'm still enjoying mine. It's my daily driver. My adventure rig is a 2022 3.0 Diesel 4x4 Sprinter Van Sanctuary 19L.
They locked this engine behind the most expensive tier. They didnt really care about it. The only one who did it kinda well with 150 trucks is Chevy/GMC.
Exactly, this engine wasn’t available on anything under a lariat trim level. So already on an overpriced trim level, but also overpriced as an engine upgrade as well.
It really made no sense. A person that buys the highest trim F150 is not likely to be that concerned over fuel economy. The 3.5 Ecoboost and mild hybrid are superior in the power department. Another thing that makes little to no sense is why manufacturers don't offer these mini diesels in HD trucks. Not everyone wants and most people don't need 1000ft/ld of torque. Many get by with the 400ish that the gas models offer. With the mini diesels you could get that same power level but with considerably better fuel mileage.
The real problem is that the auto crankshaft bearing destroyed every 76000km on piston 2 and 4 if is not well installed at production at lion and check at team powerstroke. Story lived by me without county transmission problem on bearings 1,2,3 and the valve body and the 5 that jumps for fun 😎 🤣👌.
The biggest issue (now) buying a used PS 3.0, finding a competent mechanic to fix them. Thousands of mechanics can work on a 5.7 hemi, they're everywhere and parts are cheap and easily available. This 3.0? Good luck with that when you're on a cross country trip and it decides to strand you in some tiny town in Saskatchewan.
my 3.0 PSD has been the most reliable ford i've owned. Had more issues with my 6.2 gasser than this one. As long as you take care of your fuel system and oil, should have no issues. which has been my experience.
Wow, that’s odd that you had trouble with the 6.2 gasser as it was known to be really reliable. That said no matter how well built, there is always a small percentage of problematic ones.
It's only discontinued in the US. It can still be found in the global Ford Rangers, which also uses Ford diesel engines that were never seen in the US such as the 2.0 Ecoblue Biturbo. The 3.0 V6 turbo diesel is the higher engine option while the 2.0 biturbo Ecoblue is the base engine. Yes the global Ford Ranger doesn't use the same engines as the US Ford Ranger.
Always enjoy your videos. I've had a 2014 ecodiesel in a Laramie 1500 with 3:92 rear end since new. It now has 271k kms and continues to be my daily driver, including pulling a 35' travel trailer to Florida & back yearly. Biggest issue has been the tone ring, best thing I ever did was a hot tune from GDE (egr delete, left everything else intact). I expect my next vehicle will be the Chev/GMC with the 3.0 duramax. I know you think highly of them and I've appreciated your review(s). My big concern would be the 0W20 oil, in a relativity small crankcase (7 US quarts) - along with the oil pump belt change. Seems quite a step down from the 11 US quarts of 5W40 for the ecodiesel. (Wish you were still at your shop east of Ospringe) My Ram is in good shape, so hopefully I won't have to make a decision any time soon!
In general, the 3.0 PS seen good reliability for the MOST part, you only hear all the bad things like on every vehicle, never when its running fine, some people run the s**t out of them and wonder why they're broke down. I have a 2018 3.0 PS that had been deleted since 6k miles. It runs great, there are tuning options unlike the 3.0 Dmax. But what the achilles heel seems to be is 10R80 Trans issues, I've seen more people with trans issues than anything thus far. I drive mine easy, take care of it best I can, deleted and tunned I get about 24.5mpg city & 29 hywy with 31'' k02 AT tires, stock tires most guys get about 31-34 hywy, deleted of course. 9k pounds and under of towing about 14-16mpg hywy
. The GM 3.0L duramax (LM2) was especially great with the price of diesel back in 2019/2020. Now about that 10 speed - best transmission I've ever had -PERIOD.
In general (and owning one of these), the biggest issues with the 3.0 drivetrain is not actually with the 3.0 itself, it's with the 10R80 transmission behind it. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ford just threw another engines shift mapping on the transmission and it doesn't deal with the low down torque of a diesel well at all. There's a few crankshaft destructions that I've seen in the community (all with early 2018s) but for the most part are very reliable. Too bad you aren't in Colorado, I'd bring in my super weird non-premium optioned 4x4 F150 King Ranch 3.0 by for a visit! I think they're definitely going to be a cult classic type truck, I don't see the value of clean and weird optioned ones going down that significantly, especially in non emissions areas!
I agree with previois comments, this engine was placed on high end trucks and it was impossible to pay for such elitist engine. I had a friend who got one in the used market and has been perfect for him.he had to pull a trailer and this engine is very strong. It is expensive to maintain and you need to chnage fuel filters more often but the engine is very strong and surprisingly is very quiet, it does not have for some people the annoying “diesel clacking “ that for me is very nice and musical because I drive large diesel trucks.
I custom ordered my Ram with a Ecodiesel in 2021 4X4 with the 6.4ft bed 3.21 gears. I haven’t had a single issue with it so far has 28,000 miles on it. The fuel economy amazes me every time I fill it up and check it. Power wise it’s a dog, but I’m willing to put it with that for close to 30mpg on the interstate.
Great video! However, I’d like to add that Ford failing to sell many 3.0 powerstrokes was *mostly* their fault. Seriously ask yourself, have you ever seen a single commercial from Ford advertising the 3.0 diesel?.. we always saw ads for the eco boost. But what about that little diesel? Ford failed to sell them because they had NO marketing in any form for the engine option. Couple that with locking the option behind expensive luxury trims for half the time it was offered and you’re going to have a lack in sales. Most people *even within Ford dealers* don’t know they exist. That’s 100% Fords fault.
Without watching the video, they canceled it because it wasn't selling, and because the EcoBoost is more easily tunable to make quite a bit more power, to say nothing of the hybrid version. I have seen so few F150 Power Strokes in the major city I live in, and I swear they discontinued it a couple years ago. The Ram EcoDiesel was already on its way out when the 3.0 PS launched, and while Ford beat GM to market, the 3.0 Duramax in comparison has been a smashing success. I see them all the time whether it's Tahoes and Yukons, or Silverados and Sierras.
It's because of the woke agenda FORD was on that cost them BILLIONS .. now let's get the diesel option back and skip this woke powertrain BS that's been a total failure for Ford
We have a 2016 Range Rover w/ what I believe is an earlier version (or the same) of this 3.0 diesel engine. It’s got the FoMoCo stamps all over the engine castings. We’d LOVE to delete it, just seems difficult to locate an ECU tuner / company that specializes in the R.R. version. It’s been reliable though. 80k miles, still re-gen’s fine. Only issue was a frozen DEF injector, which was easy to disconnect and back flush w/ a 12V source & brake cleaner. Looking forward to “delete day”!
I own an F-150 powerstroke. The engine if fine for it's purpose, but it never excels at anything. I get 24 - 25 mpg, which as noted about not excelling is good but not great. My counterpoint is that , I did 700 highway miles in a 2.7T rental F-150 that you state gets better fuel economy, and I was swilling fuel to the tune of 19 mpg (literally hauling two suitcases and nothing more). A 30% difference in fuel consumption is a big deal, especially if you live somewhere like I do where diesel is cheaper than regular unleaded. Biggest issue is that Ford never marketed them and saddled them with all sorts of configuration handicaps. No 8' bed. No heavy duty payload package. Lariat and up trim only. We've been approached several times by people that had no idea they ever made a diesel F-150. Timing belts get a bad rap. The beauty of them is that they maintain timing until they snap or until they get changed. Timing chains these days are not the little SBC types that lasted forever. Today, there are typically 2 or 3 chains on a given engine, and they stretch while their guides and tensioners wear out. This throws the engine out of time which gradually reduces performance. I'll bite the bullet and change out the belt once or twice over the life of the engine. Emissions issues seem pretty rare on these engines. I personally have never had an emissions related issue on this truck (or any of my diesel vehicles).
Alex, I'd love to see a combo-video about the VM Motori Jeep/Chrysler 2.8 CRD / 2.8 GM Duramax. Italian VM Motori eventually sold the design rights to GM and the design was updated and carried on with production in Thailand (I think) by GM. With some differences (mostly emissions related) the 2005-2006 US Jeep diesel and the 2.8 GM baby Duramax are essentially more or less the same. It'd be fun to see your take on this quirky and somewhat rare-ish little 4-cylinder diesel :)
Need to do a review on the 2.7 ecoboost 😊 I believe it's the most reliable ecoboost engine. I will sacrifice a little less power for reliability. I love my 2.7 in my 2015 F-150!
Wish I lived closer to you….would let you have mine for a day to review! I have a 2021 f150 xlt with the 3.0L diesel. Bought it new in June of 21 right before they announced the discontinuation of the option. Currently have about 35k miles on it and it’s been great. Not one issue. I mainly chose it for the fuel economy since it’s my daily driver, but also to tow a 4k pound travel trailer occasionally. Fuel economy in just average everyday mixed driving mostly city is about 23mpg pretty consistently. On vacation last summer all interstate from IN to NC and back with cruise set to 75mph we got a solid 30mpg. Love this powertrain. Great torque. Great economy. Quiet and smooth. Too bad it’s not an option any longer in NA. But honestly, being a diesel fan myself….I didn’t even know that ford had a diesel option for the f150 until I started looking around for trucks. They just did not market the option at all. But I feel like I own a bit of a unicorn now.
Same here. Currently at 37k miles. I just got a DPF code p2002. I recommend adding dpf cleaner. I am currently running the dpf cleaner, hoping the code clears.
Bought mine new after it sat on the dealer lot nearly 8 months. Used to work with Jag/RRs that had this motor and knew what it was about. Whole heartedly agree that the biggest reason this failed is how it was marketed/paywalled behind a bunch of trim options. Was initially looking for a 2.7 302A thinking I couldn’t afford a lariat…sticker was $5200cdn for the upgrade from XLT to Lariat (502A), PLUS $7500cdn for the powerstroke option. How can anyone truly justify almost $13k cdn increase just to get the motor. Anyways, got an 8 month old new truck for the same price as a 2.7 XLT just cause the dealer wanted to get rid of it, and I could NOT be happier. 90k kms and loving it.
diesel engines of the past were popular because of their torque, simplicity, reliability, and long life spans.....but they were simple. The regs and emmsions have made them very compicated, less reliable, and more costly. They still have a place in the right vehicle but sadly not in anything light duty
These motors are build in the UK. It is now fitted to a lot of Ranger/Everest built on Thailand. There would not have been the capacity to build sufficient motors for the F150 and the Ranger. There is a long waiting time for them in Australia. Great motor.
The duramax CP4's failed mainly because they had no lift pump in the tank, so the pump would have to both draw from the tank, and boost to 30,000 PSI. These trucks have an in tank boost pump, that brings pressurized fuel to the CP4, and takes a ton of load off it. They also commonly fail when people get water, or air into the pumps. Air being the main killer, so if you have no lift pump, and you change your fuel filter, you have a period where the pump would be running without lubrication, and that destroyed them. On the fords, after you change the filter, turning the key on and off without starting runs the main pump, and purges all the air in the fuel loop up to the CP4, so if you do it properly, you'll have no issues with air getting to the pump. Much better design, and very few have failed.
The 3.0 powderstroke v6 has a rubber timing belt, which disqualifed it as something worth buying, unless you planned to sell it before it's out of warranty.
they put the Lion engine in Ford Ranger / Everest as well as VW Amarok. pretty good power and the waiting list to get one is pretty long (compare to the 2.0L diesel version)
The #1 issue is for forced buyers to get a lariat or better trim to get it and then it was another 2500 or more dolor option. Not sure about in Canada, but if people are looking for a diesel and its costing north of 65K for the sticker, they then go and look at the 250 with the 6.7. Ford essentially killed the motor before it had a chance by slotting it too luxury buyers. The flip side is true with the I6 from GM, that can be had in any trim level and is only around 1K as an option.
@bernardomarron5554 only late 2019 did that happen. It was otherwise xl and xlt for commercial and fleet. I researched this engine a lot. Ford had no real intention of it being around long or a volume seller. I wanted one but didn't pull the trigger due to the fact that when I went to have it configured for a build sheet the dealer stated lariat and up. This was when it was first coming out.
Like you mentioned on, All of Fords engines will tow big numbers. The limiting factor isn’t the power it’s the sticker on the truck. 8200# on the N/A V6 and everything else is over 10k. So what’s the point?
I love my 3L baby Powerstroke F150. Got a great deal on the truck - nobody wanted it and it was marked down and actually cheaper than the ecoboost. The Powerboost is a great idea but has the worst reliability of any powertrain Ford currently makes.
I personally believe there are 3 factors that contributed to low sales: -lack of lower trim level trucks. Except fleet sales the lowest trim level available was the Lariat. -the F-150’s success. Being the best selling vehicle in North America, most people going to buy them are religious F-150 owners who have already had 3 ecoboosts or 5.0’s before and they don’t want to branch away from that. -the diesel crowd. People who exclusively are seeking out a diesel engine are 9/10 times going to just spend the couple extra grand to get a 250+ with the 6.7
Australians have been using a 2006---2011 Dura Torque 3 ltr 4cyl direct injection WE-C [suspect a ford motor made in Thailand ] issues very sensitive to overheating typically by egr cooler leaking randomly Later 2011--2022 5cyl 3.2ltr Dura Torque or Puma pending country major oil pump issues [variable vane is pathetically weak ] Timing chain issues
I feel that there are 2 large issues that caused the 3.0ps to be discontinued. Emissions being on the engine cause a lot of issues on any diesel. The second is poor marketing for where the 3.0 thrives, 1/2 ton towing truck. I own a 3.0ps and my father has a 3.5 Ecoboost with the same enclosed trailer the 3.0 will double or better the mpg of the 3.5
Having owned a 2020 2.7 ecoboost f150, powerstroke was pointless Imo I could get 9.5L/100km on the highway at 110. I way overloaded it (11k ish pounds of dump trailer and skidsteer). Honestly was better to tow with then 2001-2006 dmax Zero issues. Only problem was towing heavy mpg was bad, as to be expected. But boy howdy did it have the jam, especially with a tune. I dont like Fords much, but the 2.7 with 10 speed is a HELL of a combo. And as far as I am aware, those engines have essentially zero major issues.
Exactly, the 2.7L ecoboost is a fantastic option for someone looking for some decent fuel economy yet can still tow a load up the road if you need it too. It's cheaper, more reliable and better on fuel then the 3L powerstroke.
@TheGettyAdventures I had one in my 15' .Currently in a 19' with the 3.5 Ecoboost. I will go back to the 2.7 in my next F150. Both of these are stellar engines but the 2.7 wins 🏆 for the fuel economy
2018 3.0 lariat here! ive actually replaced the egr cooler at 90k miles id like to delete it im jusy worried i wont find anyone to work on it afterwards
The difference I see in interest between the ecodiesel and the Powerstroke is that the Ecodiesel only has the 5.7 and the 3.6 to compete with both of which being good for their application but still leaving a hole in the market that the ecodiesel easily fills. Its the same with the 3.0 Duramax. Ford already had an engine option for just about every possible buyer. So it just got washed out. Plus the diesel niche outside of HD has always been small in North America
I bought a used 3.0 powerstroke and it has been in the shop more than I have drove it. All related to NoX related engine codes. They have replaced the NoX sensors and all DPF related parts. Still getting codes.
Someone probably screwed around with the Def system causing that. Only use FRESH DEF straight from the truck stop fuel Island, NOT containers that sit in Warehouses or stores for months
The power boost came out in 2021 after they got rid of the power stroke diesel 3L. I was told that’s what they replaced The diesel was with the hybrid 3.5 L.
I had a Ford guy tell me they killed the little Lion (3.0 diesel) to make room for the Lightning. It didn't sell good because it was only offered in high end packages and it was never marketed. No advertising.
My 2015 ecodiesel has treated me very well. I bought it used with 85,000 miles on it and the previous owner already had all of the emissions taken off and had it tuned so i may have gotten lucky with that.
Well I bought my 2 18 Ford F150s with the 3.0L and I love it. I've traveled in Europe and experienced they're diesel powered vehicles from Fiat to Alpha Romeo's both 6 cylinders and it persuaded me to by a Jeep liberty diesel. I modified it and it did have its quirks it being the same manufacturer as the motor in the 1500 but only a 4 cylinder but a large displacement for a 4banger. It was a beast 400 ft lbs of torque when I got done with it and was a great commuter on the freeway. But I believe at the 160,000 mile mark it fell victim to the cheesy head bolts used and developed a head gasket issue. I thought it was fixed and finally a shop narrowed it down to a cracked water jacket in the block.... Still ran like a raped ape but leaked like mad... This Ford again a European derived engine has had a lot of re-work by Ford and hopefully it all holds up. I so far love it I bought it used twice one at 40K on it and my second with 52k I really like the fuel economy but its no baby 6.7 international but if your into diesels your into them as the potential if your willing to do the work is way more rewarding that doing similar mods on a gas engine just no comparison. But it seems that American auto manufacturer's intentionally ham string diesel vehicle sales with the higher trim packages. They've all done it Jeep, Ford ,Ram.... The only exception to it was the 2 year run of the Jeep Liberty which could be had in the sport package but yes that engine option was the most expensive upgrade on the list. Funny both of my 150s came down from Canada used..... Weak Canadian dollar at the time?
The Reason Why Ford continues to use the cp4 is better emissions and power. The cp4 makes more pressure which makes a finer mist the in combustion chamber which equals better emissions and more power. It’s a shame that there just not that reliable.
Depending on how far back the engine development was, Ford OWNED Jaguar (and Land Rover, Austin Martin, Volvo and others) until the recession when Ford sold them off. Before the split there were shared development. i.e. the Ford Thunderbird and the Jaguar S-Type are the same car under the skin. Ford also owned controlling stock of Mazda until that period, which is why original development of direct injected turbo engines had some similarities with Mazda speed and Ford engines. To a certain point.
I have '18 F-150 Platinum 3.0 Powerstroke with 122k miles and never had any issues. Emissions or otherwise. Only buying bulk DEF at truck stops and only use genuine Ford Motorcraft oil. Yes Ford recommends to replace the timing belt at 150K miles cost $2 to 3k. Disagree with you on deleting the emissions. First the engine has 100K miles warranty and second if you ever have to go to Ford dealership they have to by law put emissions back to factory. Plus you will find it impossible to sell deleted truck. I traded in 3.5L Ecoboost and never looked back. Love the 3.0 Powerstroke..
Dealers are so hungry they will never kick out a deleted truck. My Ford dealer loves deletes. As far as selling them you will be hard pressed to find a 2011-2015 super duty on marketplace that has not been deleted.
The base engine is the 3.3, I think ford should’ve kept it and upped the power and torque and the economy like GM did on their 3.0 duramax, which should make for an interesting review, but I think you should give an opinion on it but I think Ram also discontinued its ecodiesel engine as well and the only 2 diesels I’d choose is a 2003 dodge Ram 2500 5.9 cr Cummins AND the Nissan titan xd 5.0 Cummins but no hate against the big 3 but I like the old stuff that works and all 3 are good in their own way but I just would rather have a 03 common rail Cummins and a v8 Cummins vs anything else
That would be cool. Interesting, I own two vehicles, the 3.0 Ford diesel F150 4x4 and the 3.0 Mercedes diesel Sprinter 4x4 Sanctuary van. Love them both. And both have been discontinued. The new Sprinter's will have the 4 cylinder, and no 4x4 option (going to AWD).
Yes that is a steep price for the diesel option. especially when you are getting very middle of the road performance in comparison to other engine options!
I travel around and there are places that diesel fuel is about the same as 83 oct or even lower and I do visit hundreds of gas stations all over. So in the long run diesel price will pay off the investment. Eventually if gasoline becomes scarce, diesel will be still available becuase we nned it for our 18 wheelers. @@GettysGarage
Did you mean “under square” vs “over square”? Under square Diesel engines like the Cummins 5.9 snd really most inline six diesel engines are under square engines leading to lower-end grunt.
Yes undersquare, I probably said the wrong thing but yes the stroke on the 3L powerstroke is larger then the bore giving it great torque generation like your traditional 5.9
I have heard that the 3.0 in the GM trucks is a European designed engine as well. Not 100 percent sure though. And I sure would love to delete my LM2 but Merica....
Here in Australia Ford recently released a new Ranger and it's available with an optional 3.0 td. I wonder if it's the same engine(?) If it is, it's getting very long in the tooth, as you stated it was available in the Ford Territory here several years ago🤔
Would you recommend the 3.0 Duramax for me if I drive 80% of my time 7 miles at a time? I usually drive longer than 10 miles 2 times a month. I heard short trips are bad for the duramax
I’m not sure how the smaller diesels work but I know short drives like that would clog the DPF on the full sized F250s, 350s, etc. I’d recommend if you get one, put a 4” straight pipe on it and get some good tunes for the engine and transmission.
@@rl1271 Ahh I gotcha! The newer trucks do require some labor for removing the equipment. I could be completely wrong about the smaller diesels and short trips though, so I would definitely recommend doing some research into how they operate, and hopefully Getty will chime in with his knowledge.
I have the 2018 lariat with 3.0 too bad they paired it with the 10r80 garbage transmission!!!! Just wait and not to long they fail rediculously and your dealer ship will bandage it with programing!
Rolls Royce? NO! Range Rover, yes. The engine is well known for breaking crankshafts and nothing can be done about it. Unfortunately it is still made in South Africa and a popular option in the world market Ford Ranger. However, again, reading RR in this context does not mean Rolls Royce. In most of Europe the diesel remains dominant and indeed no brand offers a gas engine in dual cab [or single] trucks in the Ranger’s class.
Question? Doesn't the Duramax 3.0 require transmission/transfer case removal, and REAR timing cover removal for 100k mile internal belt service? That does not sound very heavy duty to me. Light duty diesel's up front cost, extremely expensive maintenance, low mileage service life.... to save a few bucks in fuel costs? Does not add up to me. I can replace a gas engine for the cost of a diesel fuel system when that pump fails and contaminates the entire fuel system. I know when a customer puts DEF in a 6.7 diesel fuel tank, because they are glued to their stupid f...ng phone and do not pay attention...that is a $10,000 mistake here in Texas that is VERY common. I own a 2017 F350 Powerstroke to pull a 40ft travel trailer. EVERY other vehicle I own is GASOLINE. Diesels are ridiculous to own and maintain. It is not like you get 1,000,000 miles out of them like a tractor big rig. I am a Ford Senior Master technician that owns a diesel for pulling a specific major load that gas will not do. Otherwise you could not give me a diesel for normal driving. The maintenance alone will eat you out of house and home. 13 qt oil changes, two fuel filters every 15k miles, crankcase filter, air filters... Unless you NEED a diesel, I say stay away.
GM says the internal oil drive belt is good for 200k miles. I have a 2022 chevy with the 3L duarmax, great engine, i average 30mpg. Not a bit worried about something that has to be changed at 200k mikes
Used to be 150k miles, they updated to 200k miles, but supposedly the transmission is relatively easy to remove in these trucks to get to the oil pump belt. Its only 7qts of oil per change, so not that bad, but it wants you to use dexosD oil which isnt common to find in much stores, i gotta go to the dealership or amazon to get it. Ive had to change it quite a bit, 1/2 year and 7k miles and had to do 4 oil changes so far, not sure if its because its a new engine it tells me to change the oil but it seems to go longer each time. I do love it though, good amount of torque, like it better than my gas truck, sips fuel. I wanted a HD diesel but the amount of fluids it uses and the maintenance scared me off, the 3.0 duramax is best of both worlds for me
@@midas7934 I agree, its best of both worlds for me as well. That seems like a lot of oil changes. I have 6200 miles on mine and have only changed oil once. I changed it at 5000 miles and still had 39% oil life left.
@@brucepeabody6644 thinking about it, it may be because i live on an island, we dont have those long flat stretches of interstates that go on for hundreds or thousands of miles like in the mainland, its the size of a large city, going from home to work is going up and down hills, and stop and go, to get across the island one way is about 100 miles but the shortest path is going up between 2 mountains and back down. Engines seem to like long hauls at a more or less constant rpm, especially diesels, my driving conditions are probably less ideal than what you folks have in the mainland and may be worse on my engine and oil so maybe thats why i had to change oil more often
@@midas7934 you are probably right on your driving conditions. I live in Michigan where it is fairly flat, at least where i live and mostly drive. I do love my truck with the 3L duramax and would buy another one .
Why tf would they only make it available for the top tier ford trucks that defeats the whole purpose of diesel’s being work trucks because you know people with platinum lariat or king each ain’t gonna do any work towing
According to some pro-diesel mechanics I've talked to, the 3.0 Powerstroke was such a piece of shit that you should just run away from it. Can't remember exactly the reasons as it's been a couple years, but I think it had to do with the timing belt, and possible the CP4. Anyway - who knows, and I have no personal experience with it. But according to them one should stay away from it.
@@craigallbee3284it doesnt come with a cummins mainly because its alot heavier then the hemi and makes it heavier and harder to have the flexible offroad suspension. With that said, ram just realsed this year the 2500 rebel which is a power wagon that comes with a cummnns. Has slightlyless offroad capibility then the power wagon, but if you want an offroad diesel, it will get the job done.
Yep. Power Wagons are intended for more off-road use than typical 3/4- or 1-ton 4x4 HD trucks. A Ram 2500 with the 6.4 is already heavy enough. Adding the Cummins would increase the weight probably 1200-1400 lbs, which directly translates to how fast the truck will get stuck in said off-road conditions.
I own a 3.0 Ford Diesel with 140,000 miles... no emissions systems issues. I religiously change my oil with the Ford specified oil. Very reliable.
I have a 2021, I now have the P2002 DPF code. 37k miles
@@roypacheco6122Sounds like you take a lot of short trips, short trips kill diesels exhausts systems. That is why I sold my 3.0 Duramax for the 3.5l Ecoboost
I'd like to add you could only buy the powerstroke in the higher trim packages of the F150 (lariat, King Ranch or Platinum) unless it was sold to a fleet company. So sticker prices for the diesels were usually over 60k. It basically priced itself out of the market.
My only problem with your statement is that: Why are you willing to spend $55-70k, for a gas truck? Diesel was 60k, For the gas truck, a well taken care of, might get 200k-300k before a new or rebuild is needed. Diesel engines just get "broke in" at 100k miles.
@@deepseadiver57 That hasn't been true for the last 10-15 years. Modern diesels just don't last like they used, this isn't a 5.9 Cummins or 7.3 Powerstroke
@@257Tony7.3s are overrated af and really didn’t last much longer than modern diesels
@@rock-uu7qr Our 2000 F350 shop truck with the 7.3 has 650k on it and still going.
I purchased my 2018 F 150 3.0 diesel in Sept. of 2023 w/ extremely low mileage. 4 words to sum it all up; Fords best kept secret! Awesome truck!
Delete and tune is man. Trust me. I have one done and it’s unreal fuel economy and performance
Agreed they're a pleasure to drive and the fuel mileage is about double the ecoboost POS
@@NateMac434Where did you get this done?
I own this truck. It gets at least 28 miles per gallon combined. The best I’ve gotten is 31 when I really try. I stealth tuned it and I get a lot more power. My state does not allow deleting of the environmental crap. I think this is the best engine ford had offered.
What tuner did you use?
@fbi
I have the Ford 2018 V6 3.0 Diesel (Lion). I purchased it new in early 2019. And I love it. The somewhat hidden reason Ford killed it almost as soon as it was introduced? There were already too many motor options, and they were frantically trying to make room for the Lighting. So, what did they kill to make room for the Lightning. The Little Lion. Now that I am out of warranty, I will delete the emissions bullshit to get better performance and longevity. It is the perfect truck for me. Great video.
It has 2 timing belts, and 2 chains! That thing is SUPER goofy
I believe they killed it because of the extraordinary fuel mileage. At 70 mph from NC to FL and I am NOT babying it or exaggerating, 38 mpg hwy....28 in town! Pulled a enclosed trail full, to Maine, better mileage than my 6.7 Power Stroke
They would never kill it due to good fuel mileage; they spend billions to get a fraction of a percent better fuel rating for their fleet to meet EPA regulations for half ton and smaller consumption.
My wife has a 2018 F150 with the 3.0 diesel. She loves it. It has a 6" lift with 35" tires and she gets 22 mpg average. The real reason it was discontinued be Ford claims it didn't sell. Well it didn't sell because Ford didn't market it. They only cared for their garbage ecoboost engines that have so many problems. I talked to so many people that didn't know Ford put a diesel in a F150. Marketing is everything.
@@Pitcrw6 True. Sounds like your wife has a nice truck. Ford didn't market it because they foolishly thought we were all going to switch to EV Trucks. Bad move. Anyway, I'm still enjoying mine. It's my daily driver. My adventure rig is a 2022 3.0 Diesel 4x4 Sprinter Van Sanctuary 19L.
They locked this engine behind the most expensive tier. They didnt really care about it. The only one who did it kinda well with 150 trucks is Chevy/GMC.
Exactly, this engine wasn’t available on anything under a lariat trim level. So already on an overpriced trim level, but also overpriced as an engine upgrade as well.
yes GM although not perfect did a fantastic job with their 3L duramax.
No sir. It was available im the XL and XLT trims as well. Get on autotrader. When i was shopping for a few trucks i ran into a couple 3.0 XLTs
It really made no sense. A person that buys the highest trim F150 is not likely to be that concerned over fuel economy. The 3.5 Ecoboost and mild hybrid are superior in the power department. Another thing that makes little to no sense is why manufacturers don't offer these mini diesels in HD trucks. Not everyone wants and most people don't need 1000ft/ld of torque. Many get by with the 400ish that the gas models offer. With the mini diesels you could get that same power level but with considerably better fuel mileage.
The real problem is that the auto crankshaft bearing destroyed every 76000km on piston 2 and 4 if is not well installed at production at lion and check at team powerstroke. Story lived by me without county transmission problem on bearings 1,2,3 and the valve body and the 5 that jumps for fun 😎 🤣👌.
The biggest issue (now) buying a used PS 3.0, finding a competent mechanic to fix them. Thousands of mechanics can work on a 5.7 hemi, they're everywhere and parts are cheap and easily available. This 3.0? Good luck with that when you're on a cross country trip and it decides to strand you in some tiny town in Saskatchewan.
Love to see a mechanic promoting emissions removal on TH-cam!
my 3.0 PSD has been the most reliable ford i've owned. Had more issues with my 6.2 gasser than this one. As long as you take care of your fuel system and oil, should have no issues. which has been my experience.
Wow, that’s odd that you had trouble with the 6.2 gasser as it was known to be really reliable. That said no matter how well built, there is always a small percentage of problematic ones.
It's only discontinued in the US. It can still be found in the global Ford Rangers, which also uses Ford diesel engines that were never seen in the US such as the 2.0 Ecoblue Biturbo. The 3.0 V6 turbo diesel is the higher engine option while the 2.0 biturbo Ecoblue is the base engine. Yes the global Ford Ranger doesn't use the same engines as the US Ford Ranger.
The 3.0 V6 turbo diesel in the new Rangers is a revised unit once again, and from all reports is a reliable, powerful, sweet motor.
I have the Ram Ecodiesel and it's solid. It's a 2016 with 217,000km on it and I've never had a issue with the engine
Always enjoy your videos. I've had a 2014 ecodiesel in a Laramie 1500 with 3:92 rear end since new. It now has 271k kms and continues to be my daily driver, including pulling a 35' travel trailer to Florida & back yearly. Biggest issue has been the tone ring, best thing I ever did was a hot tune from GDE (egr delete, left everything else intact).
I expect my next vehicle will be the Chev/GMC with the 3.0 duramax. I know you think highly of them and I've appreciated your review(s). My big concern would be the 0W20 oil, in a relativity small crankcase (7 US quarts) - along with the oil pump belt change. Seems quite a step down from the 11 US quarts of 5W40 for the ecodiesel. (Wish you were still at your shop east of Ospringe)
My Ram is in good shape, so hopefully I won't have to make a decision any time soon!
In general, the 3.0 PS seen good reliability for the MOST part, you only hear all the bad things like on every vehicle, never when its running fine, some people run the s**t out of them and wonder why they're broke down. I have a 2018 3.0 PS that had been deleted since 6k miles. It runs great, there are tuning options unlike the 3.0 Dmax. But what the achilles heel seems to be is 10R80 Trans issues, I've seen more people with trans issues than anything thus far. I drive mine easy, take care of it best I can, deleted and tunned I get about 24.5mpg city & 29 hywy with 31'' k02 AT tires, stock tires most guys get about 31-34 hywy, deleted of course. 9k pounds and under of towing about 14-16mpg hywy
"love it probably more than I should" sums up how most truck owners feel
GM has been the best so far with the 3.0L diesel market. Instantly sell out before they even hit dealer lots
The inline 6 3L duramax is a great engine.
@@GettysGarage im looking to get that or the 5.3 in the elevation trim from GMC in 2024
. The GM 3.0L duramax (LM2) was especially great with the price of diesel back in 2019/2020. Now about that 10 speed - best transmission I've ever had -PERIOD.
In general (and owning one of these), the biggest issues with the 3.0 drivetrain is not actually with the 3.0 itself, it's with the 10R80 transmission behind it. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ford just threw another engines shift mapping on the transmission and it doesn't deal with the low down torque of a diesel well at all. There's a few crankshaft destructions that I've seen in the community (all with early 2018s) but for the most part are very reliable. Too bad you aren't in Colorado, I'd bring in my super weird non-premium optioned 4x4 F150 King Ranch 3.0 by for a visit! I think they're definitely going to be a cult classic type truck, I don't see the value of clean and weird optioned ones going down that significantly, especially in non emissions areas!
I have a F 150 I bought it in 2020 turbo diesel 3.0 I love it no issues 28 to 31 por Gallón!
If ford sold them with any trim including the very basic model, those engines would have sold like hot cakes.
I agree with previois comments, this engine was placed on high end trucks and it was impossible to pay for such elitist engine. I had a friend who got one in the used market and has been perfect for him.he had to pull a trailer and this engine is very strong. It is expensive to maintain and you need to chnage fuel filters more often but the engine is very strong and surprisingly is very quiet, it does not have for some people the annoying “diesel clacking “ that for me is very nice and musical because I drive large diesel trucks.
I custom ordered my Ram with a Ecodiesel in 2021 4X4 with the 6.4ft bed 3.21 gears. I haven’t had a single issue with it so far has 28,000 miles on it. The fuel economy amazes me every time I fill it up and check it. Power wise it’s a dog, but I’m willing to put it with that for close to 30mpg on the interstate.
When they are running well they are great engines! I can't deny that.
Wait it's coming around 70000 had one once it gets there everything starts going out the erg the intake and everything else
Great video!
However, I’d like to add that Ford failing to sell many 3.0 powerstrokes was *mostly* their fault.
Seriously ask yourself, have you ever seen a single commercial from Ford advertising the 3.0 diesel?.. we always saw ads for the eco boost. But what about that little diesel? Ford failed to sell them because they had NO marketing in any form for the engine option. Couple that with locking the option behind expensive luxury trims for half the time it was offered and you’re going to have a lack in sales.
Most people *even within Ford dealers* don’t know they exist. That’s 100% Fords fault.
Without watching the video, they canceled it because it wasn't selling, and because the EcoBoost is more easily tunable to make quite a bit more power, to say nothing of the hybrid version. I have seen so few F150 Power Strokes in the major city I live in, and I swear they discontinued it a couple years ago. The Ram EcoDiesel was already on its way out when the 3.0 PS launched, and while Ford beat GM to market, the 3.0 Duramax in comparison has been a smashing success. I see them all the time whether it's Tahoes and Yukons, or Silverados and Sierras.
It's because of the woke agenda FORD was on that cost them BILLIONS .. now let's get the diesel option back and skip this woke powertrain BS that's been a total failure for Ford
We have a 2016 Range Rover w/ what I believe is an earlier version (or the same) of this 3.0 diesel engine. It’s got the FoMoCo stamps all over the engine castings.
We’d LOVE to delete it, just seems difficult to locate an ECU tuner / company that specializes in the R.R. version.
It’s been reliable though. 80k miles, still re-gen’s fine. Only issue was a frozen DEF injector, which was easy to disconnect and back flush w/ a 12V source & brake cleaner.
Looking forward to “delete day”!
Not positive but I believe VelocityAP may offer it.
I own an F-150 powerstroke. The engine if fine for it's purpose, but it never excels at anything. I get 24 - 25 mpg, which as noted about not excelling is good but not great. My counterpoint is that , I did 700 highway miles in a 2.7T rental F-150 that you state gets better fuel economy, and I was swilling fuel to the tune of 19 mpg (literally hauling two suitcases and nothing more). A 30% difference in fuel consumption is a big deal, especially if you live somewhere like I do where diesel is cheaper than regular unleaded. Biggest issue is that Ford never marketed them and saddled them with all sorts of configuration handicaps. No 8' bed. No heavy duty payload package. Lariat and up trim only. We've been approached several times by people that had no idea they ever made a diesel F-150.
Timing belts get a bad rap. The beauty of them is that they maintain timing until they snap or until they get changed. Timing chains these days are not the little SBC types that lasted forever. Today, there are typically 2 or 3 chains on a given engine, and they stretch while their guides and tensioners wear out. This throws the engine out of time which gradually reduces performance. I'll bite the bullet and change out the belt once or twice over the life of the engine.
Emissions issues seem pretty rare on these engines. I personally have never had an emissions related issue on this truck (or any of my diesel vehicles).
Alex, I'd love to see a combo-video about the VM Motori Jeep/Chrysler 2.8 CRD / 2.8 GM Duramax. Italian VM Motori eventually sold the design rights to GM and the design was updated and carried on with production in Thailand (I think) by GM.
With some differences (mostly emissions related) the 2005-2006 US Jeep diesel and the 2.8 GM baby Duramax are essentially more or less the same.
It'd be fun to see your take on this quirky and somewhat rare-ish little 4-cylinder diesel :)
Need to do a review on the 2.7 ecoboost 😊
I believe it's the most reliable ecoboost engine. I will sacrifice a little less power for reliability.
I love my 2.7 in my 2015 F-150!
I believe that’s better engine than new 2.7
Know a buddy of mine who still runs it with no issues (2016 )
The 2.7 out did the power stroke numbers and sells. It's built like a diesel but Petro.
Wish I lived closer to you….would let you have mine for a day to review! I have a 2021 f150 xlt with the 3.0L diesel. Bought it new in June of 21 right before they announced the discontinuation of the option.
Currently have about 35k miles on it and it’s been great. Not one issue. I mainly chose it for the fuel economy since it’s my daily driver, but also to tow a 4k pound travel trailer occasionally. Fuel economy in just average everyday mixed driving mostly city is about 23mpg pretty consistently. On vacation last summer all interstate from IN to NC and back with cruise set to 75mph we got a solid 30mpg.
Love this powertrain. Great torque. Great economy. Quiet and smooth. Too bad it’s not an option any longer in NA. But honestly, being a diesel fan myself….I didn’t even know that ford had a diesel option for the f150 until I started looking around for trucks. They just did not market the option at all. But I feel like I own a bit of a unicorn now.
Same here. Currently at 37k miles. I just got a DPF code p2002. I recommend adding dpf cleaner. I am currently running the dpf cleaner, hoping the code clears.
Bought mine new after it sat on the dealer lot nearly 8 months. Used to work with Jag/RRs that had this motor and knew what it was about.
Whole heartedly agree that the biggest reason this failed is how it was marketed/paywalled behind a bunch of trim options. Was initially looking for a 2.7 302A thinking I couldn’t afford a lariat…sticker was $5200cdn for the upgrade from XLT to Lariat (502A), PLUS $7500cdn for the powerstroke option. How can anyone truly justify almost $13k cdn increase just to get the motor.
Anyways, got an 8 month old new truck for the same price as a 2.7 XLT just cause the dealer wanted to get rid of it, and I could NOT be happier. 90k kms and loving it.
diesel engines of the past were popular because of their torque, simplicity, reliability, and long life spans.....but they were simple. The regs and emmsions have made them very compicated, less reliable, and more costly. They still have a place in the right vehicle but sadly not in anything light duty
These motors are build in the UK. It is now fitted to a lot of Ranger/Everest built on Thailand. There would not have been the capacity to build sufficient motors for the F150 and the Ranger. There is a long waiting time for them in Australia. Great motor.
In Europe this engine has a reputation of breaking crankshafts.
In reality less than 20 of these engines had that recorded failure in Europe, it's not common as you claim
To be frank, I didn’t know it existed until today.
Would have been really cool to see it paired with a hybrid drivetrain.
Their small diesel failed because of the price, poor fuel economy compared to GM and Ram, plus it was underpowered
I have a 3.0 power stroke F150 and absolutely love it!
I would certainly loan it to you for a review although I live in Kelowna, British Columbia
The duramax CP4's failed mainly because they had no lift pump in the tank, so the pump would have to both draw from the tank, and boost to 30,000 PSI. These trucks have an in tank boost pump, that brings pressurized fuel to the CP4, and takes a ton of load off it. They also commonly fail when people get water, or air into the pumps. Air being the main killer, so if you have no lift pump, and you change your fuel filter, you have a period where the pump would be running without lubrication, and that destroyed them. On the fords, after you change the filter, turning the key on and off without starting runs the main pump, and purges all the air in the fuel loop up to the CP4, so if you do it properly, you'll have no issues with air getting to the pump. Much better design, and very few have failed.
The 3.0 powderstroke v6 has a rubber timing belt, which disqualifed it as something worth buying, unless you planned to sell it before it's out of warranty.
they put the Lion engine in Ford Ranger / Everest as well as VW Amarok. pretty good power and the waiting list to get one is pretty long (compare to the 2.0L diesel version)
Damn *DEF FLUID* and the insane engine & economy killing *REGEN mode* is killing the diesel market.
It didnt sell because its only available in the two highest trims. Gm offers the 3.0l in a ton of trims and configurations.
The #1 issue is for forced buyers to get a lariat or better trim to get it and then it was another 2500 or more dolor option. Not sure about in Canada, but if people are looking for a diesel and its costing north of 65K for the sticker, they then go and look at the 250 with the 6.7. Ford essentially killed the motor before it had a chance by slotting it too luxury buyers. The flip side is true with the I6 from GM, that can be had in any trim level and is only around 1K as an option.
It was available on the XLT and XL
@bernardomarron5554 only late 2019 did that happen. It was otherwise xl and xlt for commercial and fleet. I researched this engine a lot. Ford had no real intention of it being around long or a volume seller. I wanted one but didn't pull the trigger due to the fact that when I went to have it configured for a build sheet the dealer stated lariat and up. This was when it was first coming out.
@@nathanriggins5271 they may be reliable and decent performers. But we Ford Technicians HATE THEM . They are a nightmare to repair.
Like you mentioned on,
All of Fords engines will tow big numbers. The limiting factor isn’t the power it’s the sticker on the truck.
8200# on the N/A V6 and everything else is over 10k. So what’s the point?
I love my 3L baby Powerstroke F150. Got a great deal on the truck - nobody wanted it and it was marked down and actually cheaper than the ecoboost. The Powerboost is a great idea but has the worst reliability of any powertrain Ford currently makes.
I personally believe there are 3 factors that contributed to low sales:
-lack of lower trim level trucks. Except fleet sales the lowest trim level available was the Lariat.
-the F-150’s success. Being the best selling vehicle in North America, most people going to buy them are religious F-150 owners who have already had 3 ecoboosts or 5.0’s before and they don’t want to branch away from that.
-the diesel crowd. People who exclusively are seeking out a diesel engine are 9/10 times going to just spend the couple extra grand to get a 250+ with the 6.7
Australians have been using a 2006---2011 Dura Torque 3 ltr 4cyl direct injection WE-C [suspect a ford motor made in Thailand ] issues very sensitive to overheating typically by egr cooler leaking randomly
Later 2011--2022 5cyl 3.2ltr Dura Torque or Puma pending country major oil pump issues [variable vane is pathetically weak ] Timing chain issues
At the end of the day the 3.0 Duramax reigns supreme!
I feel that there are 2 large issues that caused the 3.0ps to be discontinued. Emissions being on the engine cause a lot of issues on any diesel. The second is poor marketing for where the 3.0 thrives, 1/2 ton towing truck. I own a 3.0ps and my father has a 3.5 Ecoboost with the same enclosed trailer the 3.0 will double or better the mpg of the 3.5
Hey Alex the 3.3 v6 is the base engine in the F150 and the 2.7 Ecoboost is a $1600 option I do believe
Fair enough, makes sense actually. thank you sir!
Having owned a 2020 2.7 ecoboost f150, powerstroke was pointless Imo
I could get 9.5L/100km on the highway at 110. I way overloaded it (11k ish pounds of dump trailer and skidsteer). Honestly was better to tow with then 2001-2006 dmax
Zero issues. Only problem was towing heavy mpg was bad, as to be expected. But boy howdy did it have the jam, especially with a tune.
I dont like Fords much, but the 2.7 with 10 speed is a HELL of a combo. And as far as I am aware, those engines have essentially zero major issues.
The 2.7 is a winner! The little engine that could!!! My next engine choice hands down
Exactly, the 2.7L ecoboost is a fantastic option for someone looking for some decent fuel economy yet can still tow a load up the road if you need it too. It's cheaper, more reliable and better on fuel then the 3L powerstroke.
@TheGettyAdventures I had one in my 15' .Currently in a 19' with the 3.5 Ecoboost. I will go back to the 2.7 in my next F150. Both of these are stellar engines but the 2.7 wins 🏆 for the fuel economy
2018 3.0 lariat here! ive actually replaced the egr cooler at 90k miles id like to delete it im jusy worried i wont find anyone to work on it afterwards
The difference I see in interest between the ecodiesel and the Powerstroke is that the Ecodiesel only has the 5.7 and the 3.6 to compete with both of which being good for their application but still leaving a hole in the market that the ecodiesel easily fills. Its the same with the 3.0 Duramax. Ford already had an engine option for just about every possible buyer. So it just got washed out. Plus the diesel niche outside of HD has always been small in North America
You also need to get a high end trim model for it
I bought a used 3.0 powerstroke and it has been in the shop more than I have drove it. All related to NoX related engine codes. They have replaced the NoX sensors and all DPF related parts. Still getting codes.
Someone probably screwed around with the Def system causing that. Only use FRESH DEF straight from the truck stop fuel Island, NOT containers that sit in Warehouses or stores for months
The power boost came out in 2021 after they got rid of the power stroke diesel 3L. I was told that’s what they replaced The diesel was with the hybrid 3.5 L.
I had a Ford guy tell me they killed the little Lion (3.0 diesel) to make room for the Lightning. It didn't sell good because it was only offered in high end packages and it was never marketed. No advertising.
I’m looking to get a PowerStroke 3.0 F150 in the not too distant future‼️
You'll love it, they're a pleasure to drive and with normal driving get 30+ MPG on highways
Still not sure why they chose the 3.0 over the 4.5L powerstroke that has been in the medium duty trucks forever.
Have you changed out the oil pump in your Power Wagon yet? Changed mine out this weekend to prevent the "Hemi tick".
Even the 3rd gen is unreliable? I had the 2016 ECO, was good for 50k miles. I did have a tune. I was thinking of the 3rd gen or Cummins.
I am very interested in the 3.0 power stroke and would love to see an in-depth review from you.
My 2015 ecodiesel has treated me very well. I bought it used with 85,000 miles on it and the previous owner already had all of the emissions taken off and had it tuned so i may have gotten lucky with that.
if there were no emissions on the Ecodiesel they would of been a massive success. The emissions killed those engines.
Emissions has neutered every modern engine. The only ones thought to be successful were eventually caught cheating.
Well I bought my 2 18 Ford F150s with the 3.0L and I love it. I've traveled in Europe and experienced they're diesel powered vehicles from Fiat to Alpha Romeo's both 6 cylinders and it persuaded me to by a Jeep liberty diesel. I modified it and it did have its quirks it being the same manufacturer as the motor in the 1500 but only a 4 cylinder but a large displacement for a 4banger. It was a beast 400 ft lbs of torque when I got done with it and was a great commuter on the freeway. But I believe at the 160,000 mile mark it fell victim to the cheesy head bolts used and developed a head gasket issue. I thought it was fixed and finally a shop narrowed it down to a cracked water jacket in the block.... Still ran like a raped ape but leaked like mad... This Ford again a European derived engine has had a lot of re-work by Ford and hopefully it all holds up. I so far love it I bought it used twice one at 40K on it and my second with 52k I really like the fuel economy but its no baby 6.7 international but if your into diesels your into them as the potential if your willing to do the work is way more rewarding that doing similar mods on a gas engine just no comparison. But it seems that American auto manufacturer's intentionally ham string diesel vehicle sales with the higher trim packages. They've all done it Jeep, Ford ,Ram.... The only exception to it was the 2 year run of the Jeep Liberty which could be had in the sport package but yes that engine option was the most expensive upgrade on the list. Funny both of my 150s came down from Canada used..... Weak Canadian dollar at the time?
Did you ever get your hands on a 3.0 powerstroke? I have one in Maine.
I have a ‘21 Platinum Crew Cab Long Bed in New Hampshire if you ever want to do something with it
The 2.7 is the current base engine. The 3.3 has also been continued.
I found a 2018 with 70k miles... Good buy for $35k?
I pity those who have the 3 L diesel. I bet Parts will be very hard to come by.
It is a very established engine with no parts issues.
The Reason Why Ford continues to use the cp4 is better emissions and power. The cp4 makes more pressure which makes a finer mist the in combustion chamber which equals better emissions and more power. It’s a shame that there just not that reliable.
I love my 2018 F150 Powerstroke!
How do you remove the emission stuff off a 3.0? Thanks
When these first came out, I really wanted one. I recently discovered the Jaguar influence, and then my desire to own one was greatly diminished lol.
Depending on how far back the engine development was, Ford OWNED Jaguar (and Land Rover, Austin Martin, Volvo and others) until the recession when Ford sold them off. Before the split there were shared development. i.e. the Ford Thunderbird and the Jaguar S-Type are the same car under the skin.
Ford also owned controlling stock of Mazda until that period, which is why original development of direct injected turbo engines had some similarities with Mazda speed and Ford engines. To a certain point.
This engine is a nightmare to work on. As a mechanic at a ford dealership, I’m glad it’s gone.
I have '18 F-150 Platinum 3.0 Powerstroke with 122k miles and never had any issues. Emissions or otherwise. Only buying bulk DEF at truck stops and only use genuine Ford Motorcraft oil. Yes Ford recommends to replace the timing belt at 150K miles cost $2 to 3k. Disagree with you on deleting the emissions. First the engine has 100K miles warranty and second if you ever have to go to Ford dealership they have to by law put emissions back to factory. Plus you will find it impossible to sell deleted truck. I traded in 3.5L Ecoboost and never looked back. Love the 3.0 Powerstroke..
Dealers are so hungry they will never kick out a deleted truck. My Ford dealer loves deletes. As far as selling them you will be hard pressed to find a 2011-2015 super duty on marketplace that has not been deleted.
I'm waiting for the 2.7L ecoboost!
The base engine is the 3.3, I think ford should’ve kept it and upped the power and torque and the economy like GM did on their 3.0 duramax, which should make for an interesting review, but I think you should give an opinion on it but I think Ram also discontinued its ecodiesel engine as well and the only 2 diesels I’d choose is a 2003 dodge Ram 2500 5.9 cr Cummins AND the Nissan titan xd 5.0 Cummins but no hate against the big 3 but I like the old stuff that works and all 3 are good in their own way but I just would rather have a 03 common rail Cummins and a v8 Cummins vs anything else
I would love to see you do Mercedes-Benz Sprinter with their 3.0 diesel they also have a 2.1
That would be cool. Interesting, I own two vehicles, the 3.0 Ford diesel F150 4x4 and the 3.0 Mercedes diesel Sprinter 4x4 Sanctuary van. Love them both. And both have been discontinued. The new Sprinter's will have the 4 cylinder, and no 4x4 option (going to AWD).
I'm a Ford guy and was always interested in the baby PowerStroke but the $4000 cost was too much for me
Yes that is a steep price for the diesel option. especially when you are getting very middle of the road performance in comparison to other engine options!
GM’s 3.0 Duramax diesel is only like USD 1500 more than the 5.3 V8
I travel around and there are places that diesel fuel is about the same as 83 oct or even lower and I do visit hundreds of gas stations all over. So in the long run diesel price will pay off the investment. Eventually if gasoline becomes scarce, diesel will be still available becuase we nned it for our 18 wheelers. @@GettysGarage
Did you mean “under square” vs “over square”? Under square Diesel engines like the Cummins 5.9 snd really most inline six diesel engines are under square engines leading to lower-end grunt.
Yes undersquare, I probably said the wrong thing but yes the stroke on the 3L powerstroke is larger then the bore giving it great torque generation like your traditional 5.9
My F-150 2018 XLT with the 3.0 gets 29 to 32 mpg.
GMC/Cheverolet hit it out of the park with their in-line 6 diesel. Powerful. Quiet. Fuel efficient. Ford just couldn't compete so they quit!! 😮
Timing chains IF done well are ok Poor quality chains stretch badly ,eg cold start engine chain rattle . Gear drive is best . timing belt next
Easy: it was locked to the highest trim levels, so it was easily out-performed by a gas-engine XLT 3/4 ton in the same price-range.
I have heard that the 3.0 in the GM trucks is a European designed engine as well. Not 100 percent sure though. And I sure would love to delete my LM2 but Merica....
Here in Australia Ford recently released a new Ranger and it's available with an optional 3.0 td.
I wonder if it's the same engine(?) If it is, it's getting very long in the tooth, as you stated it was available in the Ford Territory here several years ago🤔
yup same engine. wouldn't hesitate.
Another great video :)
It's illegal everywhere is the US regardless of local registration requirements.
Would you recommend the 3.0 Duramax for me if I drive 80% of my time 7 miles at a time? I usually drive longer than 10 miles 2 times a month. I heard short trips are bad for the duramax
I’m not sure how the smaller diesels work but I know short drives like that would clog the DPF on the full sized F250s, 350s, etc. I’d recommend if you get one, put a 4” straight pipe on it and get some good tunes for the engine and transmission.
@@d.williams6891 I don’t wanna rock straight pipes too much hassle and too loud. I might just get the 6.2l gas if duramax won’t be good for me
@@rl1271 Ahh I gotcha! The newer trucks do require some labor for removing the equipment. I could be completely wrong about the smaller diesels and short trips though, so I would definitely recommend doing some research into how they operate, and hopefully Getty will chime in with his knowledge.
Maybe having to remove the engine to repair minor things was another problem
I have the 2018 lariat with 3.0 too bad they paired it with the 10r80 garbage transmission!!!! Just wait and not to long they fail rediculously and your dealer ship will bandage it with programing!
can you please review the 3.5 powerboost f150
Rolls Royce? NO! Range Rover, yes. The engine is well known for breaking crankshafts and nothing can be done about it. Unfortunately it is still made in South Africa and a popular option in the world market Ford Ranger. However, again, reading RR in this context does not mean Rolls Royce. In most of Europe the diesel remains dominant and indeed no brand offers a gas engine in dual cab [or single] trucks in the Ranger’s class.
That 3ltr diesel lion engine is a peugeot made crock that blows cranks
Question? Doesn't the Duramax 3.0 require transmission/transfer case removal, and REAR timing cover removal for 100k mile internal belt service? That does not sound very heavy duty to me. Light duty diesel's up front cost, extremely expensive maintenance, low mileage service life.... to save a few bucks in fuel costs? Does not add up to me. I can replace a gas engine for the cost of a diesel fuel system when that pump fails and contaminates the entire fuel system. I know when a customer puts DEF in a 6.7 diesel fuel tank, because they are glued to their stupid f...ng phone and do not pay attention...that is a $10,000 mistake here in Texas that is VERY common. I own a 2017 F350 Powerstroke to pull a 40ft travel trailer. EVERY other vehicle I own is GASOLINE. Diesels are ridiculous to own and maintain. It is not like you get 1,000,000 miles out of them like a tractor big rig. I am a Ford Senior Master technician that owns a diesel for pulling a specific major load that gas will not do. Otherwise you could not give me a diesel for normal driving. The maintenance alone will eat you out of house and home. 13 qt oil changes, two fuel filters every 15k miles, crankcase filter, air filters... Unless you NEED a diesel, I say stay away.
GM says the internal oil drive belt is good for 200k miles. I have a 2022 chevy with the 3L duarmax, great engine, i average 30mpg. Not a bit worried about something that has to be changed at 200k mikes
Used to be 150k miles, they updated to 200k miles, but supposedly the transmission is relatively easy to remove in these trucks to get to the oil pump belt. Its only 7qts of oil per change, so not that bad, but it wants you to use dexosD oil which isnt common to find in much stores, i gotta go to the dealership or amazon to get it. Ive had to change it quite a bit, 1/2 year and 7k miles and had to do 4 oil changes so far, not sure if its because its a new engine it tells me to change the oil but it seems to go longer each time. I do love it though, good amount of torque, like it better than my gas truck, sips fuel. I wanted a HD diesel but the amount of fluids it uses and the maintenance scared me off, the 3.0 duramax is best of both worlds for me
@@midas7934 I agree, its best of both worlds for me as well. That seems like a lot of oil changes. I have 6200 miles on mine and have only changed oil once. I changed it at 5000 miles and still had 39% oil life left.
@@brucepeabody6644 thinking about it, it may be because i live on an island, we dont have those long flat stretches of interstates that go on for hundreds or thousands of miles like in the mainland, its the size of a large city, going from home to work is going up and down hills, and stop and go, to get across the island one way is about 100 miles but the shortest path is going up between 2 mountains and back down. Engines seem to like long hauls at a more or less constant rpm, especially diesels, my driving conditions are probably less ideal than what you folks have in the mainland and may be worse on my engine and oil so maybe thats why i had to change oil more often
@@midas7934 you are probably right on your driving conditions. I live in Michigan where it is fairly flat, at least where i live and mostly drive. I do love my truck with the 3L duramax and would buy another one .
When a full service on ram 2500 6.7?
Also you can show the vehicle with the eco diesel you own? A review?
Yep! that's something I plan on doing!
I think you are confusing oversquare and undersquare engine designs.
Why again is there a Dodge in the video?
I had both Ecoboost engines great engines till you tow your gas mileage sucks that is why I got the 2023 chevy 3.0 mileage is great towing
Why tf would they only make it available for the top tier ford trucks that defeats the whole purpose of diesel’s being work trucks because you know people with platinum lariat or king each ain’t gonna do any work towing
According to some pro-diesel mechanics I've talked to, the 3.0 Powerstroke was such a piece of shit that you should just run away from it. Can't remember exactly the reasons as it's been a couple years, but I think it had to do with the timing belt, and possible the CP4. Anyway - who knows, and I have no personal experience with it. But according to them one should stay away from it.
I think it is about how it is driven and cared for. I have 66k miles on mine. Runs great. Change oil and fuel filters often.
did ford have a 1000 hp diesel
What year is your power wagon? Is it diesel?
It's a 6.4 gasser
Bummer. Wouldn't it be nice to have that same setup but with a Cummins?
It's a 2022, the powerwagons can only come with the 6.4L for a number of reasons.
@@craigallbee3284it doesnt come with a cummins mainly because its alot heavier then the hemi and makes it heavier and harder to have the flexible offroad suspension. With that said, ram just realsed this year the 2500 rebel which is a power wagon that comes with a cummnns. Has slightlyless offroad capibility then the power wagon, but if you want an offroad diesel, it will get the job done.
Yep. Power Wagons are intended for more off-road use than typical 3/4- or 1-ton 4x4 HD trucks. A Ram 2500 with the 6.4 is already heavy enough. Adding the Cummins would increase the weight probably 1200-1400 lbs, which directly translates to how fast the truck will get stuck in said off-road conditions.
So the diesel emissions is an American thing only ?