Why Ford is Killing The F-150 3.0L Power Stroke | A Funeral For A Friend
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2021
- Ford FINALLY answers the call for a half ton diesel option! Then promptly kills it off. In this episode we explain why. Welcome to the TH-cam show where we rate vehicles on our Hipster Scale and give insight on "Who is this car for?" As well as give our thoughts on Interior, Exterior, Powertrain and Dynamics.
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I am very familiar with the 3.0 Power Stroke as I purchased my 2018 in mid 2019 (because they were so unpopular and did not sell well as we now know). So, I got 10% off the $66k sticker. I still have it and I still love driving it. You are mostly correct on why it was discontinued. Overall, it was definitely the poor "take rate". Yes, due in part to the success of the EcoBoost. But two things happened almost before the first unit hit the show room floor. The manufacturers were moving quickly to EV's, and Ford had plenty of other non-EV options in the F150. So almost overnight Ford decided to kill the Lion diesel before it even got started. They offered little to no marketing of it, thus the take rate had no chance. But also, any fuel economy savings went out the door with extremely high diesel prices. For the record, my truck definitely meets and usually exceeds the stated MPG ratings on the sticker (no load). But when towing over about 4k lbs, it is no better than the other motor options on the F150. And with diesel now well over $1 more per gallon nationwide, there is no economy advantage. Also, there have been some QC problems with several recalls, but only one related to the actual motor. But that one was potentially a very catastrophic issue. It was repaired on mine even before I bought it. The other recalls were pretty minor and have all been remedied. I'm at 60k miles with my 2018 and will be keeping it for another 50k or so. It's fun to drive and even tow, up to about 8k lbs. But with any more tow load than that, it is not that comfortable. Lastly, as you know, everything costs more on a diesel. But the Little Lion is fun to drive around town or to tow a couple steers to the auction. Good review guys.
I have a 2021 Ford F150 with a 3.0 diesel engine and I consistently get 26 miles per gallon around town. I find it an excellent vehicle !!!
Does that mpg offset the cost of having to fill with diesel? Would it actually cost less than a gas car with a little less MPG
Same. 3.0 21’ platinum. Best truck I’ve ever owned.
My 96 7.3 gets 20mpg 26 is laughable
@@MrKawie1001 I have a 7.3 as well, so yeah, I call BS 😉
@@MrKawie1001I have a 2000 Ford F250 with a 7.3 and I don't get close to 20 mpg
This is a great light towing engine. I own a Titan 5.0 Cummins, a 3.5 Powerboost Hybrid and a 3.0 Powerstroke. Towing the same 7k lbs, 31 ft travel trailer I get 10-12 mpg on the powerstroke, Titan is at 7-9 and the hybrid 5-7.
I have a 2017 Land Rover Discovery and tow a 24 bunkhouse travel trailer. I have friends with a 2020 Expedition with the 3.5 Ecoboost. They tow a similar size trailer. I can go almost twice the distance per tank of fuel.
Great video which really puts a nail in the coffin on why it was discontinued
Thanks, we are a bit sad to see the option go, but atleast there are still several gas options.
The power boost should of been a diesel hybrid
Agreed!
The Audi R-18 has a similar powertrain setup: a turbodiesel V-6 with a few electric motors 😌
It’s for the guy who wants/needs a full size pick up and also uses it for an hour commute to work. Really common out in the country, hard to maintain 2 vehicles these days. It needs to be all in one. The diesel tows project cars and gets great mpg. Diesel makes it awesome not boring.
That is why I'm interested. I'm 6'-4" and drive 80 miles round-trip.
You'll be glad to know, the 3.0 Powerstroke will live on in the updated 2022 Ford Ranger/Everest here in Australia
Wish it was an option here in the states midsize with a diesel sounds awesome
I have a 2018 Lariat with the
3.0 Powerstroke,
The best truck I have ever owned, Love It!!
I don't tow. With said, the 3.0 power stroke can get almost 30MPG on the freeway. That alone would had me sold. The only reason I don't have one is I couldn't afford the trim level that would have let check the diesel box on the order form. I settled for the next best engine in a 2018 STX supercrew 4x4. The 2.7L ecoboost has been nothing but a dream to own.
if we compare the F series vs Ranger series, which is better? (2018 - '22)
I tow a 28’ bunk house with my ‘18 3.0…as long as I stay under 70 (literally around 68mph) I average about 17mpg…once I get over 70mph, mpg starts to drop, drastically…
Ditto, I have a 2019, towed a 4500# camper from the Midwest to Seattle several times. Averaged 17.1 mpg, but I let the reins out a few times, I blame it on Montana. Mileage went down, probably would have been over 18 mpg.
How much is the weight you tow?
Im planing to buy one and tow 9000 pounds trailer
The reason I like and am looking to buy a ecodiesel is it’s cheaper than a 3/4ton, my camper is small, and I can still haul my camper with better fuel mileage than the twin turbo v6. The v6 gets 8mph average when I’m hauling across the country to a job site(I travel full time) I imagine the diesel would do MUCH better on fuel mileage towing.
I've got the 2019 lariat with the 3.0 in it as well. I will say this... towing our Jayco rv that's about 28 to 30 ft long, and weighing about 7,000 lbs loaded, I'm seeing 12 to 15 mpg depending on terrain. I do usually set cruise to about 65 mph and the truck holds that speed surprising well for how small of an engine it really is. Going between rual towns with no load I'm seeing 26.5 to 32 mpg depending on wind conditions. The truck is completely stock and I use strictly Motorcraft components. Currently at about 104k miles and have every intention on keeping it for a very long time. I'll probably consider deleting once I start having the infamous egr and dpf clogging issues. P.S. trying to tow my rv with the 3.5 v6 I'd see about 5.5 to 6 mpg and was almost a hazard to traffic because that truck couldn't keep its momentum and acceleration was atrocious.
It's all about torque.
GM is sticking with there inline 6, they just upgraded it, i just bought a GMC AT4 with the 3 liter diesel...... absolutely love this truck, legit 27 mpg day to day very little hwy driving, 12 miles to work everyday.......easy 30 mpg on a long hwy drive...... they just updated the timing belt recomended replace to 200k miles from 150.....
The new 3.0 timing belt is now in the front And its 30 more hp and trq. I just got a 22 3.0 Duramax and love it.
I have on of the first 2018 and I love it I now have 87000 miles on it and still, get 22 to 24 city and 27 to 31 on the Highway. I pull a 17-foot enclosed trailer and get 12 to 14 Highway. Now I am looking at what the cost will be to have the timing belts replaced but can not find much info on it.
I have a 2019 F150 with the 3.0L diesel and I love it. with the exception now of the price of diesel at the pump, and the forcasted prices of all fuels for later this summer (2022)
What's it costing to fill now?
I've heard that Ford is planning on bringing the 3.0L diesel back now that supply chains are back up and running.
In the ford ranger next generation here in south africa production begins and I order ford ranger wildtrack with the V6 option
I bought a used 2019 Ford F-150 Platinum 3.0 diesel. It had 28,000 miles on it. I was getting 24-25 mpg in town. I was easy on the pedal. I live in northern Ut and a month after I got it I went to Bakersfield, Ca. While in route to Bakersfield I set the cruise control at 70 all the way there. I consistently got 29 to 32 mpg. What dropped my mileage was when the exhaust went into burn mode for the exhaust particulates. Would it do better on mileage if I did a DPF and EGR delete. Also would I still need to re-pipe part of the exhaust system keeping from the muffler back?
Great White North does a great DPF and EGR delete that also adds 25 hp more. In a Bully Dog controller. It saves the stock program n the controller so I can reinstall it if needed. I live in a county that doesn’t do emissions testing.
Great review guys and G'day from Australia. This v6 engine had a lot of broken crankshafts in Europe in the Land Rover Discovery I was wondering if problems like that have shown up in the US in the F150 diesel?
We have not heard of any crank issues here in the states. But the Powerstroke F150 is rare in comparison to the Ecoboost F150's. We hope it doesn't become an issue here. Thanks, -Bryan
Yes I had that problem too and complained to dealer. Took a test never found the problem and hard to duplicate the noise coming from. Now the noise disappeared at 2700 miles on it.
I was wondering the same. There is a good video from a British mechanic explaining why the crankshaft failure in the 3L v6, I heard ford redesigned the crankshaft, I’m not sure they use stronger material or something else. The British mechanic examed the old crankshaft and thinks that the compact engine design makes the main journal and counter weight joint too thin, therefore pre natural failure. Also the original 3L v6 was not designed for towing vehicle, it was predominantly used for front wheel drive cars. Ranger is going to have this v6 diesel, but not if the crankshaft issue is still there or resolved.
@@redbrickize Apparently the Ford F-150 TDV6 was fitted with a forged crankshaft, which is a lot stronger than the cast crankshaft in the Land Rovers. Let's hope this has fixed the issue once and for all. One can only hope, since there will be thousands of Ford Rangers and Ford Everest on the roads in Australia with basically the same engine in them in the coming years.
@@tempestv8 It does have a forged crank, forged rods, and forged cams.. there's over 150 different additional upgrades vs the European lion. (Some not so good, but most good)
I have a 2018 3.0 PowerStroke. I love it. Almost 60K miles. I average 26mpg. I’ve been commuting two days a week to San Francisco 200 miles round trip and I get 30 mpg. I love driving a truck and I love getting great gas mileage.
However, I’ve been having oil leak issues. 4 different oil leaks now. I baby my truck because I’m always trying to get great MPG. So I don’t understand why I’ve had so many oil leaked. it’s not because I’m working the engine hard. I’ve 95% used only Chevron diesel fuel.
What kind of leaks?
Check your crankcase vent, it's probably clogged which causes higher internal pressure on the engine and can blow out seals to cause leaks.
Love my 22 Silverado Duramax. 3.0.
Makes sense for guys who aren’t afraid to run red diesel 😜
Love my 2021’ F150 3.0 Platinum. Up to 32 on the highway and plenty of power/ reliability. The power boost didn’t solve the fuel mileage problem though.
That engine is going in the next generation ford ranger want to know before ordering the wildtrack v6
I must be an outlier. My 2019 Lariet 4X4 averages 26+ mpg. Love mine and got it for a Great price.
Right on, this is hands down the quietist half ton diesel. Enjoy it and thanks for watching.
Same with my 2018
The diesel world sounds so complicated, but you bring clarity to those of us outside that world. 😐
International, seemed to be first with a half ton diesel.1963-68 they offered and sold a half ton with a diesel. Diesel World Mag, dec 2018. Dodge, (Mitsubishi engine) and GM did it in a 1/2 ton, 1978 but would prefer we forget about both fiascos.(Had friends with both). Why wasn't the 3.2 inline used by ford?
I love mine! It pulls my tractor around just fine, and with eco mode on, it gets nearly 31 miles per gallon. But hey, thanks for your bad opinion though! It takes all of us!
Glad to hear it! Of the half ton diesels, this is up there. Enjoy it and thanks for watching.
Glad i have the non turbo 2.7L K2700! The camshaft is gear driven, so never have to worry about a belt. Glad i live in a country that doesn’t care about emissions. There is no catalytic or DPF. Only 80hp; smaller than an F150, but capable, and rated for hauling 1.5 metric ton load, that is 3.3 tons in American!
Would be cool to see this engine in the big ol boats of the 60s and 70s. That 3.0L would haul a 4dr merc marquis like it's not even there.
That would be sweeeeeeet!
I have '18 with 122k miles. I have traded in 3.5L Ecoboost and never looked back. Sure it's not as fast as the Ecoboost but reliability and towing can't beat the 3.0L diesel ⛽
Your wrong about Ram putting diesel in the half ton first GM did first back the 90s with the 6.5L turbo diesel
Yes man
I got one too 09.23.2021great truck 27 to 33 mpg
Those are some great results!
The diesel option in the Chevy 1500. Is $950.
Why? Diesels get better mpg. More torque
The biggest mistake ford did was not offering it in the xlt model. I can't afford 60k for a truck . But I could manage 45k
Totally agree with you.
@@TexasTruckChannel i have an 2019 xlt 3.0 diesel 2018 was the only year you couldnt get the 3.0 in xlt form unless you was a commercial buyer in that case you could order your 2018 3.0 diesel in all trim levels minus limited. in 1019 the 3.0 became available to general public in all trim levels minus limited.
GCI is lighter than regular cast iron
I just traded off my 2021 tundra v8…….at 14 mpg……6 mpg towing Bought a 2018 F150 3.0 PS. 40k miles. So. I’ll take the powers
Stroke
Congrats!
It was for me.. The person who buys these who wants a long distance highway cruiser, that is quiet.. and doesn't want to stop every 200miles.. It was for the person who liked the Panther platform, but can't buy one any longer.. Though knowing it has a 150K mile expected life because of the timing belts it uses.. that's kinda a nail in the coffin for me.. not going to pay a premium to not get the same longevity.. doesn't pay..
The timing belts get changed. Its not like the motor just grenades. Calling it a 150,000 mile motor. When that does not equate to full rebuilds ( pistons ,rods bearings) a timing belt job is around 3,000 but most likely cheaper.
@@zackjay71 There’s two, one on back is a high speed fuel pump belt and is prone to premature failure, which causes the pump to fail too, it 7,000 dollars for the pump, labor, and belt, the one in the front is a 3,500 job for the belt, water pump, and tensioners with labor, both are either motor out or chassis drop scenarios.. it’s an interference engine.. so at 150k miles, it’s worth scrap value, since you’d need to be soft in the head to buy one, and it doesn’t pay at 150k miles to dump 12k into a vehicle.. because at that mileage other things go too.. no, i think a 5.0 is the better choice.. rather stop for fuel then deal with that..
I've never even seen the 3.0 powerstroke... but just from hearing the engine from the video there's no way it's quieter than the duramax... either way love my LM2, very powerful and amazing fuel mileage
Betting though on the power stroke you won’t have to drop the transmission to check an oil pump belt.
@@sokodad bet my oil pump belt will last longer than the f150 offered with the powerstroke though...😂😂😂
They had a 3l powerstroke?
I know, crazy! It's actually not a bad choice, we just didn't get it very long.
Europeans seem to have the small liter diesels figured out. If Ford and our government got out of the way these engines would be way more popular and reliable.
Mercedes and Audi have 3.0 tdi's that are lightweight, packageable and reliable. Not to mention they rev out to 5500+ rpms and have been proven to well over 300hp stock and upwards of 600hp with basic upgrades.
GM put a 6.2 in a ½ ton in the 80s
No lift and no front locker. Huge miss. I’ll stay with the 3500
Why do Americans have such a problem with diesel? It makes way more sense in a towing truck, it's more efficient, less thirsty, more reliable... also surprisingly more ecological with DPF
We hear you and wish there was better diesel options. Some will argue on the more reliable side, but I suppose it depends on what you're trying to do with it. Thanks for watching!
There's an awful lot of engine knocking in the background. I'll stick with the gassers thanks...
#diesellife. We feel ya.
This would have been a hit in Germany.
What if you want a diesel but dont care about this gas mileage that's such a hot topic
Isn't this engine a variant of the Lion engine used in Land Rovers? That's an absolutely horrible engine that is a ticking time bomb.
“Designed for 150,000 miles?” That’s not very impressive..
I say why not?! But they have to do it right! This engine should be putting out at least 450 hp
My 2018 3.0 AC never worked and still doesn't.
Dang, return that puppy.
@@TexasTruckChannel I've been trying for 3 years. I only put 228 miles on it this year. Its to hot to drive. Instead I drive a 2007 f450xl service truck. FML.
I’m looking for one you selling?
@@bennywiebe9776 im selling 53200 miles
From everything I'm seeing from Powerboost owners, the mpg has been a big disappointment.
Jaguar/Land Rover...Not exactly known for dependability. Small Cummins would be a better choice. $6 a gallon diesel makes the fuel savings over a gas engine disappear. And the DEF....
When you asked “is it more power or is it more stroke?” I subscribed. I don’t ever comment. I rarely subscribe. Bye.
This is the comment of the month, no question about it. Thanks for watching and subbing. Bye?
It going in the ranger .
Ford didn't kill the 3.0 diesel. 2022 f150s in the Phillipines have it, and currently being used in the Ford Ranger overseas. My 2021 gets 31 mpg at 70mph, and 40 mpg at 55mph. Sure beats the original powerboost lies of 28 mpg city/highway. GM inline 6 diesels, good luck with that, have to disconnect the transmission to get to the timing belt, more than 40% of that motor has been changed around for 2023. Ram ecodiesel had a big cam sensor recall, I don't think their going to replace that cam sensor to costly. They'll just decide to unprogram it from working.
The truth of the matter was the Ford 3.0 Diesel was marketed wrong. Why did they make them only available in the upper trim models f150s for $20,000 more? The only reason why they were available in xl versions in 2021 was they didn't have the chips for all the luxury crap the average working man didn't want in a work truck. Wake up Ford ! 65% of the cars you have on the lot as of mid January 2024 are 2023's
I really think people dont know how to drive. My 2018 F150 2.7l gets 21.9mpg average for real world driving
I got 23.5 mpg real world driving. Couldn’t have been happier through my first 100k.
Is that hand calculated?
@@brianwild7088 yes
@@AaronHGottscH and most every vehicle does
My 2.7 is at 23.5 lol and I don't drive slow
A CGI engine block makes an engine lighter than it's iron equivalent, not heavier.
Also, the main reason few people bought the 3.0 Powerstroke is Ford didn't really market it. At all.
It doesn't make any sense to use a towing engine in a .5 ton vehicle, it doesn't have the suspension, brakes, axle or frame to make use of a deisel engine, and this diesel really is not anything great the 5.0 and eco boost make around the same numbers it is that quite that simple, just as you do not use a .5 ton pickup gas engine for commercial use. This is a dumb catergory, ford was just chasing other maker's stupid decisions
Plenty of reasons for a small diesel in .5 ton trucks… imho
@@basajacosaja2735 name your reasons then, I hope they are practical and not just because
@@canton7180 reason*awesome fuel economy,period,a gas pot can't touch which comes from low rpm.torque, ,and not everyone is towing 9000lbs+,family rig, small rv.and or toy hauler more than enough power, And in the case of a Ram, rides like an SUV.*still shovel in lots of gravel and still rides flat👍all-around handy light family vehicle, commuter,etc..
The ram,3ltr. cast graphite block is still 50 lbs heavier than the 5.7 hemi..
They just need to get rid of that start and stop technically it's junk...
150 000 miles that's it. No wonder the big 3 manufacture lemons.
Shut up I've only drove ford's my whole life never any serious problems ever only oil changes and tires and scheduled maintenance
GM had a diesel in a half ton back in the 80’s already. Gutless Detroit diesel but great mileage.
Ford not killing them the EPA is
Also, the take rate was so low is because a) the advertisement sucked and b) Americans don't know crap about Diesels
Or because diesel is over a dollar more per gallon.
The rest of the world prefer the diesels because of fuel prices, Americans are lucky to low gasoline prices
Well bud that's because the US has 40 years of oil in storage
@@maddogs1989 try more like 300 years in reserves
Did not age well
@@vinichi3014 still have a lot lower prices than the rest of the world
@@vinichi3014 Lets go Brandon
h3h3 moonlighting as a car reviewer??