Comparing 3.0L Diesels to Find the Best
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A head to head comparison of the 3.0L Diesel engines now offered for 2020 in halftone trucks. The result will surprise you! We review the Ram EcoDiesel vs Power Stroke vs Duramax.
Results are in for the new GM 3.0L diesel. This new engine now has the top spot for fuel economy in a half-ton at a staggering 33 mpg hwy, and a solid 23 mpg city. While the numbers go down in a 4x4 to 23/29, they are still way ahead of the competition. In a 4x2 Ford is 22/30 but slips to 20/25 in 4x4. The 2019 EcoDiesel is 20/27 in the 4x2 but we expect the 2020 version to be significantly higher now that Chevy has set the bar so high. Surprisingly, fuel economy in the diesel Silverado is also better than GM's own midsize - the Colorado/Canyon. Truck design has a lot to do with fuel economy numbers so we can't give all the credit to the engine design. GM said they were shooting for the top spot for fuel economy and perhaps it was at the cost of tow capacity where the 2020 GM silverado diesel sits at a max tow of 9300 pounds vs Ford at 11,400 pounds and Ram's 12560 pounds.
Is the EcoDiesel V2 in the Ram Classic a bad choice?
Still like the V3 Duramax best for the highest torque.
Not sure about their actually being a 2019 Classic with ED. Never seen one anywhere including internet search and Ram’s build site doesn’t offer it. But Ram did pump out 2018s into December and you see them on dealer lots and priced well below other comparable new trucks
@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers What is a v3 duramax? Didn't know they have 3 liter diesels other than the 2020!
@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers
The new Ecodiesel is gonna have more torque than the 3l dura.
@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers
2020 Ecodiesel will have 480 ft lbs at 1600 rpm, Duramax has 460 at 1500.
I bought a 2019 F-150 4x4 a few months ago after watching this video I drive about 360 miles 3-4 times a month for work and I have to say I average 28-33 miles to the gallon depending on the speed I drive 60-80 mph I highly recommend the ford 3.0 powerstroke for anyone on the bubble not sure
By far the 3.0 Duramax has exceeded my expectations in a half ton truck, I love mine! It’s very powerful, it isn’t loud but it has a great sound to it. It really pulls hard when you ease into the pedal. Also the straight 6 engine design has been a tried and true most reliable design in history, with less moving parts, less vibration and lots of low end power. I have been a Ford guy my whole life but I have to hand it to GM on the half ton diesel because I absolutely love my Chevy!
I just bought a Chevy CCLB LTZ with the 3.0. Great powertrain. Smooth, monster torque, and surprisingly quiet.
I love my 2015 Ram ecodiesel, 120K miles and a few nice upgrades. MPG hwy 29, city 23, avg 25. Towing our travel trailer, it averages 15 mpg. It doesn’t disappoint!
Sounds great, the new ones have me suspicious as to what they will do to increase service frequency.
How are the running temps when towing?
Bill Malec stumped him
Had one. It gets hot! Have to watch it like a hawk. It pulls great but they didn't give it enough radiator.
Bill Malec ik that’s why he didn’t answer lol. Or else he has no idea how to even check the temps and has had his gauge cluster on the same screen since he bought it 🤣. Agreed too small of a radiator, trans cooler hasn’t been adequate for some people either. The thing is FCA doesn’t care, the ram is made to be a car. Granted that’s what the majority are used for, but hey I’m buying a Godamn truck and it better deal with being a truck. Did yours have the air bag suspension package?
Engineers placing belts/chains in the rear must burn in hell.
Who did that in these diesels?
Kelly Fontes the new Chevrolet Duramax has done just that!!! Must uncouple the trans to gain access. 😳
@@mrh3085 wow. thanks for that. I was considering that diesel in the AT4. No longer.. the service costs might not outweigh the gas savings. That would be something I do not have the time to do and would be a few thousand to get that work done.
Kelly Fontes it may be a bulletproof engine but we all know mechanical stuff is going to break eventually. Having to uncouple the trans to gain access to that belt makes me very nervous. But hey, if you trade trucks in every 50K miles it most likely won’t be an issue for you.
@@mrh3085 50k? Lol I have 120k on my 2005 Jaguar XJ8. Not to mention the others. I may be a micromanager but it works for me. Uncoupling that tranny is excessive.
I'm just hoping that the 3.0 diesels make their way into SUVs. Diesel suburban and Expedition would be a whole new world of competition!
Already in jeeps
sons of liberty yeah but jeeps aren’t for everyone
I would buy a Yukon XL with a diesel. But getting 12mpg with the gas version is absurd.
OHHHHHHH YEAHHHHH MAN !!
@@kellyfontes7757 it may be absurd but who buys a large SUV for millage?
I have a 2014 Jepp GC ecodiesel. We drove over 1000 miles on 1 1/4 tanks of fuel later we arrived. To say that I love this vehicle and engine combo is such an understatement!
I'll never understand why "quiet" is a concern when buying a diesel engine.....
Own a second gen ram 2500 and you’ll know why😂😂
I'd imagine it's nice at first but hearing it all day every day it may get annoying to some.
Yes, I think sound is a plus. My friend bought a 7.3 back in the day just because it sounded cool.
@@josephlopez7593 Do you Roll Coal Bruh?
I love a noisy diesel.....
It’s now 2021, and I have to say that the I-6 GM diesel is the best half-ton diesel for 2020. GM nailed it with this engine !!
Smooth, torquey, and quiet.
I think I have to agree with you friend
Gm makes girly looking trucks now, I used to be a gm fan not so much anymore.
@@rev.redhand6205 you sound like a female😂 we looking at specs here buddy. Not looks. GM is the tried and true of diesal
Yo tengo una Silverado 2021 and I love it. Silenciosa rápida y fuerte. Diésel economic 28 por galón. Muchos dicen que da más pero a mi es lo que me a dado.
I am a Ram guy, I think the baby Duramax is going.to be the best engine. But I think Ram is the nicest truck of the three.
You're a FIAT guy.
@@kenoday7562
You are a loner because no one loves you.
@@kenoday7562 you're a pathetic spectacle
@Ron Johnson Since RAM is a wholly owned subsidiery of Fiat ...
@Ron Johnson You just made my point with your Sharp analogy.
I own a 2015 Ecodiesel and absolutely love it. The only issue I had was a blown turbo gasket causing a turbo whistle on acceleration. The dealer replaced the turbo all gaskets and the charge tube under warranty at no cost to me.
I will say I was hoping FCA/VM would have abandoned the V6 design and followed GM with an in-line 6. There were rumors that was what FCA was planning but they were only rumors.
I had a 2016 Ram, Laramie 1500 Ecodiesel that I absolutely loved, even after Chrysler got caught with their hand in the emissions jar. They had to pay US owners to the tune of about $2,400 and the EPA made them detune them, which caused mine to lose 2-3 mpg. It went from 27-28 mpg hwy to 24-25 average. I could still get that kind of mileage cruising 75-80 on the hwy. The problem was the turbo started whistling during acceleration. I let it go for several months and it was slowly getting worse, ( I didn't know that it could have been just a gasket).
I took it in to the dealership and they said, they couldn't even look at it for a couple of months, but told me if it was the turbo, I had to park it at the dealership so that warranty would cover it.
I couldn't be without a truck for several months, so I ended up buying a used 2021 Chevy with the 3.0 Duramax they had on the lot.
There are a few things that I don't like about the Chevy, but so far I am getting the kind of mileage that I used to get with the 1500 Ram Eco. I couldn't find any of the newer used Rams with the Ecodiesel on their lot, but I would think they would be similar in mileage and torque.
I agree with your choice.
The Ram is tried and proven right now. Plus, I have more confidence in chains than belts along with the convenience to reach those areas for servicing.
plus a chain needing replace become loud, a belt about to brake did make any signal before snapping.
My ram ecodiesel V2 left me stranded twice. The second time was on a newly installed replacement engine that Ram was unable to figure out. I’m a huge mopar fan but will not buy that engine again. I traded the truck shortly after. Loved the fuel economy and torque it had. Loved the Ram truck itself.
I had a 2021 Cadillac Escalade with a 3 liter I put 150k only did the basic maintenance now I got another one 2023 630 miles to empty and it get well over 30 mpg I’m very happy with it
I think I’ll keep my 1999 7.3 f250. Almost 300000 miles,farm truck,amazing condition. The only thing ever put on it is a starter and that’s because like a dummy I winded and winded on it. I have no intention of selling it and I plan to get another soon. I just can’t justify new vehicles. You pay wayyyy more for waaayyy less.
Those old 7.3 are getting hard to find and more expensive every day.
I have 2017 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel. 45K miles on it. The engine is perfect. On the last oil change I did oil analysis with Blackstone Labs. Received a highly positive report. The engine had no excessive metal wear traces in the oil at all. Very smooth running. 25mpg average mixed driving style. I change the oil with Rotella T6 as recommended every 6K miles. A good thing is that there are aftermarket tuning parts available for the engine as well. Lastly, all bad comments here about this engine are from people who actually don't own one. Folklore is not a good source of information.
No folk lore here! I have all the paperwork from 15 visits to the dealership for proof! At 25k miles all 6 injectors had to be replaced on my ecodiesel! I also have the paperwork for the lemon law buyback agreement from FCA!
The Ecodiesel is a reliability nightmare. Rod bearing failures left and right. They used to say 60k was the magic number where it would either blow up or it wouldn't... until ecodiesels with over 100k miles had rod bearing failures. That's on top of several other issues with the engine.
I have 110 thousand no problem with mine. Hope your wrong. Lol
It's simply the luck of the draw,it happens with every engine gas or diesel.
@@Fab-ec8os I hope you make out okay on it too. I was interested in one until I saw ecodiesels fail on 4 different occasions due to rod bearing failures. I knew the people owned the trucks and every one of them bought the trucks new and every one of them went through their dealers for all maintenance. Two of those people always had fuel filters changed early, always bought good quality fuel, always had the engine oil changed early, never beat on the truck or tuned them, etc. The others were people I knew from neighboring towns and were in the same ATV club.
@@karlschauff7989 Thanks. Yeah I heard about the bearing problem. Which is a stupid thing that should of been fixed. Taking the lawsuit money and getting Mopar warrant just in case and a good way to sell when I want the newer version of the ecodiesel. Well maybe. Haha
@D Trip
www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-mechanical/8564-eco-diesel-engine-failures.html
It’s a new ball game with the upgraded gm inline six! Now they have a great history with almost no problems. 300 hp and 500 ft pounds torque and same mileage.
FYI the Ford Diesel is a joint venture between Ford and Peugeot called the Lion. Its also in the US Range Rover TD6. The Ford diesel started off as a 2.7 in 2004 and increased to 3.0 in 2009. The first application of the VM Motori A 630 was the European 2011 Grand Cherokee. The same engine also powers the US Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee Eco-Diesel since 2014. So based on the Hosts criteria of "track record", Ford 2009 and Ram(VM Motori 2011) Ford technically gets the W.
@Curtis Fleabag The Lion engine family was developed and manufactured at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Centre for use in PSA Peugeot Citroën vehicles (as DT17 as part of joint venture begun in 1999), Jaguar Cars (as the AJD-V6), and Land Rover vehicles. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the V6 displacing 2.7 L (2,720 cc) and the V8 displacing 3.6 L (3,630 cc). The V6 was launched in 2004 and as of 2011 also serves in Ford Australia's Territory SUV; the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A 3.0 L (2,993 cc) was added in 2009 and is based on the 2.7 L (2,720 cc).
In 2003, Penske Corporation purchased a 51% stake in VM Motori; in 2007, Penske bought the remaining 49% from DaimlerChrysler and subsequently sold 50% of it to General Motors.
On 11 February 2011, Fiat Powertrain Technologies and Penske Corporation had reached an agreement under which Fiat Powertrain would purchase Penske Corporation's fifty-percent stake in VM Motori
Fiat Group acquired the remaining 50% stake of VM Motori owned by General Motors, on 28 October 2013
OH Is that so? Track record? The 3.0 Duramax is based on an Opel engine that's been around since at least the 90's. BMW has been using the exact same design since 1998, known as the N57/M57/B57. The design is the most vetted of any of them.
Bought a 2019 4x4 Ford XLT 302A package 3.0L powerstroke Turbo Diesel. I'm pretty impressed with this baby diesel truck. I was leaning more towards the Ram Ecodiesel due to the fuel economy but took a chance with the Ford. I just Flipped 10k miles, no issues truck drives great is comfortable very quiet has and more than enough power for my needs. My average MPG over 9800 miles, first oil change, was 26.7 mpg combined. I'm loving these baby diesel motors. Ford, Chevy or Ram. I don't think it really matters now days. Every brand is gonna have it's quirks. So far I am very pleased with my truck.
I’ve heard so many different opinions it really just matters what you like . I personally like ram myself. The rebel is an awesome looking truck .
I agree. Full disclosure: proud Ram owner and Mopar fan. Not so big on the VM Motori as compared to Cummins, but I agree that it's fairly time-tested in Ram 1500 and reliability is what you could expect from a light-duty diesel like such. For almost 4 years, Ram was the only truck maker that offered a diesel in the half-ton segment. It actually lead Ram to admitting that sales were even higher than they were expecting. They unfortunately got tangled up in the emissions regulations after VW's dieselgate scandal, largely due to supplier Bosch's fault of not disclosing all modes of operation.
As mentioned, that was already a 2nd-gen iteration of the VM Motori 3.0L diesel that found it's way into Ram 1500, and now the 3rd-generation is available alongside gen 2 in 2020 Ram 1500. If I was buying new, I'd just go with 3rd gen. Buying used -- and you have a lot of options here because again it's been on the market for 5 years now -- obviously nab a 2nd gen and do a little tinkering around with beefing up some parts and turning up the tune!
GM is so weird these days... the Duramax 3.0L I6 had the potential of being the most reliable light-duty diesel on paper, but by choosing an aluminum block over CGI, I think they gave that up. It still benefits from lower mechanical complexity, which should benefit fuel mileage and to a small extent, low-end torque (even though it's the highest HP engine in its class).
Ford... instead of mirroring the 3.0L V6 approach of VM Motori should have upside a bit to 3.4L or so and ran away with the performance crown. 3.0L V6 diesels would be perfect in the mid-size trucks, but I've been saying for awhile now that truck makers might as well give buyers more power for their money, as anyone choosing to pay $2,500+ extra for the diesel option expects REAL differences. Currently, it's been hard to financially justify Ram EcoDiesel after maintenance is factored in. Towing all the time, sure sure.
I wouldn’t buy any of these overly complicated maintenance and repair time bombs. I’ll be going with Ford’s new 7.3L push rod gas motor. Simplicity equals reliability in the long run.
That’s true!
Sure you can spend it all on gas
About 8-10 mpgs on the highway though so good luck paying that long term. Unless you have E85 available in your area
@@MitchJohnson0110 if you’re spending 70k on a truck you can afford gas.
@@Zach-td5mb well the 7.3 only comes in the 3/4 ton and the 3.0 only comes in 1/2 ton so which type of truck are we talking about
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee. New DPF at 110,000 miles on FCAs dime and now has 124,000 miles and is still running like new. We shall see what happens but I have owned it since it had 23,000 on it and I have been impressed. Tows great, runs great and awesome mileage while towing. I have a new F350 coming in April with the 6.7 as I want a bigger trailer!
GMC 3.0 Duramax for the win!
We love our 2016 Ram Ecodiesel 4x4 Longhorn with Ramboxes!! 53,00 miles on it and so far , so good. (bought it when it was 1 year old) Also cannot live without my Ramboxes!! This ecodiesel is also installed in the Maserati Sedan in Europe I heard... My first diesel and we love it!! These Rams ride on coil springs which is more comfortable ride than these other trucks, which have leaf springs in the rear. Railway cars run on coil springs and not leaf springs, so they can be manufactured strong..
I can’t put faith in any gm engineering
I had a 2016 Ram Ecodiesel. Awesome powertrain...smooth, relentless torque. Towed my 28ft TT (6,500 lbs loaded) with ease. Excellent fuel economy, better than my diesel ML and GL. Only the Touareg TDI matched it. The payload was ridiculously low however. With the family inside and a full tank it was almost illegal. Crazy. It didn't feel it at all with the RV behind, an ATV in the bed and two deer on top of it. The air suspension helped in the woods as well. Sold it because of payload, I tow often. Bought a Max Payload F-150 with the 5.0 gas (struggles towing in the Rockies) for cheap but waiting for the new Ram Ecodiesel.
You shouldn’t have expected a naturally aspirated engine to do well at altitude. The EcoBoost V-6’s do markedly better than the 5.0.
But still, I’ll take the diesel ...
You could always do a few things to the 5.0 to increase the power a little. Those engines are great at that. Or just throw a small turbo with low boost. That will significantly help!
Inline sixes in the agriculture and highway diesels have always trumped the V 8 offerings for .torque and reliability , the 855 Cummins engine had few equals . So let s see how the Duramax fairs in 2 years .
Also, inline 6 cylinder engines are inherently very well balanced. That's one of the main reasons why BMW's 3.0L inline 6 has remained on the Ward's Best 10 engine list for decades.
Be Wary of any Chevy! The Aluminum block is Crap. Only the steel will last.
@@johnlavezzorio8011 BMW has doing aluminum block diesels for a decade, I haven't heard of any block issues, just be sure to use right coolant + distilled water!!! The Aluminum is just there to hold the steel sleeves anyways.
@@johnlavezzorio8011 The GM LS engines are excellent. It is the best most versatile out there.
@@johnlavezzorio8011 That's the same nonsense that was said about the heads on the 6.6 duramax before it's introduction in 2001. The aluminum holds up just fine.
Couldn't agree more with 80% of the comments!! Towing a camping trailer with a 400hp hd diesel truck is the way to go. What's sufficient hp for a combine or corn chopper can't hurt in a pick up truck for hauling groceries, dropping the kids off at school and hauling trailers 1% of the time. Gosh, this has become so ridiculous!!!
Christian Schiffler exactly what I said previously, 175hp 7.3 pulled my four door one ton with 8ft box just fine. Pull the mustang to the track with the slide in camper in the back. Never had a line behind me, always maintained 60mph (because that's as fast as I drove while towing) in the summer, I'm held up by motor homes, not my lack of hp.
Where did you get your info?? The 2020 EcoDiesel is rated at 260/480 and will be the 3rd gen of that engine. The 2014-2018 was the second gen rated at 240/420 and the first gen was in 07-09 jeeps.
07-09 Jeep diesel was a MB OM642 like in newer Sprinters, not a VM. Gen 1 VMs were only used in Europe.
I'm excited to see the inline 6 making a comback. It's a more stable platform and seems like more makers would be using it. Hopefully, it will get more popular with designers
The inline 6 engine is a marvel of engineering. Now that the car industry is over the compact packing fear era, they can finally utilize it again in trucks/suv's and sports cars alike! It's really hard to make a bad inline 6.
All 18 wheeler semis are inline 6s, name it Cat,Cummins,Detroit ect. Its about the time .
It's the best configuration for longevity and smoothness.
When picking a diesel you always have to go with proven reliability. How many times has someone promised a good diesel and it turned out to be a junk.
Whic do you prefer?
That’s why I’m not buying Dodge does eco-diesel’s are not good motors
Like I have said before I put my money on the Silverado Crew Cab 4x4 3.0 and 10 speed trans. Getting in the 30s mpg. 34.4 mpg on Alanta ga to Greenville NC.
Last week. Got 32.3 on 702 mpg with a 60 mile ride on the Blue Ridge parkway nc. On over night road trip.
GM made some interesting design choices on the 3.0 Duramax for sure, but I was blown away by its performance and smoothness when I test drove it in a Sierra. Only time will tell if everyone's design complaints were on the right track, but I'd probably buy one just based on the outstanding driving characteristics and fuel economy. The oil pump drive belt has a 150,000 mile maint interval, which sucks if you like to own your vehicles forever, but if that proves to be the only major maint item, I think it's a worthy trade off given the engine's excellent overall performance.
The 3.0 is a totally new Duramax. No parts where used from any of the other Duramax engines designs. Going to see how this baby holds up to life in the USA. 850+ MILES on a tank full. Bye bye gas stations and EVs.
I’m a ford guy but have to imagine that all three will do well and I think the manufactures have figured things out. As soon as the aftermarket figures out how to tweak the trucks they should be very long lasting. I think ford got smart offering theirs in lesser trims. IMO their gas brothers are reliable less expensive and can tow about the same if not more. I guess time will tell but I think midsize are great with diesel and H-D are as well. I’m not sold on it being beneficial in 1/2 tons
Have a 2015 Ram Ecodiesel with 115,000 miles on it. Flawless.
its coming...throttle body..
I know someone with an EcoDiesel... 3000 miles out of warranty they were looking for a frayed wire and it cost him the better part of $5,000.
Not saying that they aren't good... Just saying my only opinion I have of them todate.
Really? I've heard terrible things about it like they blow up and other stuff like def problems and injectors going out. I have a tuned 2016 Colorado with the 2.8 duramax inline 4 and its amazing. If the Ram diesel was made by Cummins instead of FIAT it would be the #1 seller
@@mitchellsmith6071
News flash! All engines will eventually have their problems.
An overlay of all the torque curves would have been useful.
They are all way OVERPRICED for me!!!
Tedinski b52, yeah me to. That’s why for the money if you want to stay stock I’d do a 94-97 7.3 Powerstroke and the 94-97 12v 5.9 Cummins. Or do a 90s F150 Cummins 4BT build, or a 90s F250/350 Fummins Build w 12v 5.9 Cummins.
They’re not that expensive and the GM costs the same as the 6.2 gas engine.
@@michaelbenoit248 If you want to see over priced, come to Australia. Silverado 2500 is available here for..............you might want to sit down......... $125,000 in USD. Our government considers it a LUXURY car so it gets a 33% extra tax.
@@Ozgrade3 HOLY FUCK!
Question when can I import your 4-door Falcons?
They are definitely all OVERPRICED. I was so let down when they brought the ranger to the US and didn’t bring any of the things I liked about the European market version. No Manual Transmission, no diesel options, no wildtrax, and they redesigned parts the didn’t need to while not addressing the issues people cared about. And all the body rework just made it more expensive per copy. How the messed up such a winning combo I’ll never know.
I just bought an Ecodiesel Bighorn, paid $55K, I was never really a Dodge guy, but this truck was like the hot chick at bar on a payday. I hope I don’t regret it.
Didn’t you? I am going to buy one soon.
You should have gotten a Laramie at that price. Look for 13k off sticker on cars.com
I agree with you for the reason of long term. The Ford uses a timing belt that has to be replaced every 5-6 years. Chevy has a belt on the oil pump that they say will go a least 150k, but you have to pull the transmission to get to it. I believe Ram has the trusted timing chain.
150k miles for timing belt for ford. That's a lot longer then 5 years
150k could easily be put on a vehicle in a short amount of time,people do it
Dan Smith I do 150,000 in around 51 months! I’ve got a 2019 f250 diesel with darn near 30k on it and I’ll have it a full year on Sept 29th lol But is still pick the Ford because that belt is super easy to change. And it’s only like $225.
I put 250k on my hemi v8 in 2 years all hwy drive no problem to engine, 4x4 failure at 230k replace axel , only maintenance I done on truck was oil, breaks, tires . Nothing else this was 2015 ram , I owne 2010 ram 3.6l drove 389k no mechanical problem I traded the truck in for the 2015 , 2006 Ford f150 I put 450k on it no, transmission failure I guess I was lucky enough
GMC I6 duramax 2020 . I love this truck. Got the elevation package. I live in CO. No mountain high enough to stop it. No snow deep enough.
Awesome to hear - congrats!
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I had a 2015 Ram ecoDIesel, and loved it. But, I lost confidence in it when a piston broke and the engine seized at 50k miles (truck was always perfectly maintained by the dealer). FCA made good on replacing the engine (to the tune of $10K), but the failure left me and my travel trailer stranded 250 miles from home. I traded in the truck a little over a year later for a 2500 Ram Cummins.
I stick with the Isuzu 3.0 turbo diesel, no issues at all.
That would be the duramax ain't it?
Isuzu isn't in America anymore dumbass
I think I'm gonna go with a 97 12v Cummins cuz its more reliable than all 3 of those truck and can go a million miles
We aren’t in 97 anymore.
I have the ecodiesel, I've deleted and tuned it and it runs great! With stock turbo 590 ft lbs of tq and 320 hp.
I have a 2017 Ram ecodiesel. What did you do to increase the hp? A tuner? If so, what is the make and model number of one?
@@kennyh3443 complete delete, exhaust work and a dyno tune. It wasn't cheap but worth the money. Was done 30k ago and no issues averaging 21 mpg.
Wow good to learn that GM stepped up and tried some new things, while staying with the Inline design that made Cummins so famously reliable. Great vid. I guess in 2020 stick with the reliability of the Ram ED that some have taken up to 300K miles+ but be careful with oil changes. Or tune it with GDE.
My 41-yr-old Mercedes OM617 turbocharged 3.0l 5 cyl diesel uses no oil in 3000 miles, starts instantly after 6-9 sec glowplugs and has NEVER been overhauled. 900,000 miles later and we can leave for anywhere in the morning.
If you could add to your video how each engine is dealing with emissions would be great. To me that is what is scary to buy a diesel because of the strict laws on them and all the problems the extra emissions stuff causes
If I had to buy today, i would go with the Ford. I like the GM spec's, but I wouldn't risk buying it first yet of production. Gen 2 Ram engine may be great, but if I'm buying today, I don't want the classic version of the 1500, I would want the new version.
Speaking of wrinkles in the Ram, the EcoDiesel's have historically had bad bottom ends with common main bearing failures. Watch out, this type of problem is not something a modern engine should be experiencing. Scarry sign of cost cutting.
Yeah, early V1 botyom end problems was not an engine problem but a factory recommended oil viscosity issue to increase mpg's. Tsb to Rotella T6, problem fixed
Dirty diesel is the biggest killer of all diesels. I have a gas filter system. On my truck and my tractor. It is crappy fuel that caused alot of issues.
FORD and Range Rover
3.0 liter diesel been around for 7 to 8 years. I've seen almost 33 miles to the gallon empty not pulling a trailer.
Troy Gier same here, towing #4500 trailer over the Rockies was still able the get 15.1 mpg
I've always been a duramax guy, however... the 3.0 design scares me.I would rather take my chances with a rebuilt older model and see how the 2020's do in a couple years.or go gas.
Just look at the great diesels of the past. I have to go for the straight 6. Its just too bad its being strangled by emission control.
Inline 6 is the one I would go with if basing purchase on motor.
Thanks for the Gr8 review!
I didn't know about the coming Straight-6 from GM and I tend to believe the straight is best but I'm with you until it proves itself for 2-3yrs. Today, I would have to also pick the RAM and since the 2020 is the 3rd version I feel safe with it even if 2020 is the 1st yr of the engine.
I loved my 2015 Ram Eco Diesel! It did everything except burn fuel!
My next Ram will be the #3 version. The Italian Company, Motori, is doing a great job!
Did you have the recall done? And are you still as happy with it if you did?
My issue is the emissions junk they put on these engines . That's what is seeming to make them unreliable .
Besides that . If you want the least amount of problems DO NOT buy the first year of production . Out of the 3 trucks I'd probably go with Ram because most of the issues have been worked out by now
The problem is that most of these engines aren't really first year products, they're off-the-shelf engines and are only being sold now that manufacturer's have CAFE to comply with. That V2 VM Ecodiesel was around for many years before it was used in Jeeps and Rams, and reliability has never been great. Even many of bigger HD diesel that have been on the market for years aren't all that reliable, and that's mainly because of emissions. They all have problems.
Well said. I had a 2015 ecodiesel, I waited until the second year of production to pull the trigger hoping the bugs were worked out, and I ended up selling the truck because of the emission crap! I’m a first responder so I’ll admit I would jump in the truck and hit the road immediately, so I guess gas engines are the answer for me
Jordon the 3.0 GM and 2020 Ram Ecodiesel have new emissions systems that are far better than that first generation emissions junk (all Mfgrs) that was not fully tested due to being forced & rushed to market by an overzealous gov EPA.
More good news The 2014 through 2018 Ecodiesel emissions can now be easily & cost effectively remedied through a GDE (Green Diesel Engineering) off road tune. It turns off the destructive & pointless EGR and has a far better & less problematic regen strategy. Last if & when the again forced & rushed to market by EPA EGR cooler starts leaking post warranty the tune plus a more cost effect & permanent EGR delete kit fixes it. (Penny of prevention or dollar of cure) Plus makes a more reliable more powerful & more fuel efficient truck. 580,000 miles on my commercially used 2014 Ecodiesel tuned since 30k.
On another note. People get behind their favorite engine and try to say it’s the best choice and all others are junk. Best choice depends mostly on use. I love the choice of the 3 great engines. Ram sees Hemi should be best & bread n butter choice for 70 percent of 1/2 ton buyers who prioritize speed power sound. Pentastar for another 20 percent who more use it like a car to carry family, haul, and prioritize commute economy. Ecodiesel for the last 5 to 10 percent for those who regularly tow 1/2 appropriate loads and or put on big miles and really value that 30 mpg.
You never work out issues with CRDJ crap.
Are you trying to piss off that poor Swedish girl, Greta Thunberg? If the eco-terrorists get their way, we'll all be driving electric PsOC.
Cummins 5.9 / 6.7 or CAT and if i can find a Perkins maybe...
My sister and brother in law have 2 older duramax 1 tons. Now that they have some miles on them both they are seeing issues with the re-gen systems on them and having some issues towing related to all the emissions crap. Seeing more emissions stuff kinda concerns me. As I look at trucks to see what I would like to buy, I can talk myself out of all 3 brands listed here with issues that each manufacturer has had over the years (being a tech for 30 years kinda ruins it for you sometimes). I personally like the styling of the new Silverado the best but also like the Ram Rebel and Ford Super Duty bodies as well. It will be interesting to see how the small diesel market goes. I would prefer any of the 3 over the turbocharged 4 banger Chevy is using in their half tons.
id buy Ram EcoDiesel V3 Ram has the kinks worked out and i trust them.
I have the 2016 Eco Diesel, Awesome truck, flawless so far 126K.
ram rebel overland build would be a dream with diesel. but being its first year, kinda scary.
Well, hopefully they fixed the issue with the bearings and puking connecting rods, but we will see.
Thats a 3rd gen engine no?
My last 2 fords were so bad that I will never buy another ford. That said I bought a Ram/W Hemi new in 2003 still have it and it is the best American made vehicle I have owned. I have also had good luck with GM products and would consider buying either GM or Ram. Even if the Chevy numbers on paper are beter the Chevy pickup to me is so damn ugly I would buy the Ram.
I wish the v2 ecodiesel in the Ram could tow more than 8400 in crew cab 4wd, I'd be all over one. As of now I'm probably going to stay gasser with my next truck and get an ecoboost F150.
John Yim I have a Ford F150 Ecoboost. You wouldn't be disappointed. Most powerful gas engine in a half ton.
I have a 2004 5.9 cummins. in 2020 if I needed a truck which I do not, I would look for another 2004 5.9 cummins this truck has just been that good plus it is emissions free. thank you for your time.
I'll keep my 2012 RAM 2500 CUMMINS! But I would go with the RAM.
Love my RAM but def having an inline 6 would def make it a nicer 3.0 diesel
I had an ‘02 Duramax 2500 that was very reliable, so I’m partial to GM. That engine had aluminum heads which were assailed at the time but have proven to be reliable. An aluminum block would reduce weight for sure. We’ll know more in 2020
The 3.0L D-Max was so impressive I ordered 2!
This is the one I want great choice… I wonder what did make you get 2? I guess you did a lot of research, if there’s anything you’d like to share I’d appreciate it. How did it go in a year?
I guess I have followed too closely the travails of the Ecodiesel. They seem to fall prey more than most to major mechanical failure. But, of course, not many vehicle owners post to social media to say, “Hey! Everything’s great!” 😜
Agree with the gen 2 Ecodiesel! Great engine with bugs ironed out! The other three are unknown! A hand built preproduction engine is not the same as the production regarding reliability!
Agree completely. I bought a new 2015 Ram Ecodiesel and put about 80k kms on it without any drivetrain issues. I even pulled a 6500 lb camper around for 2 seasons. No issues. I now have a 2019 Classic with the same engine and have put a little over 20k km on it and it’s been a champ. I really like the G2 eco.
165000 miles on my 2014 eco ram. Still going
I've heard and seen a lot of negative on Ram 3.0 EcoDiesel. And I bought a 2014 anyway and absolutely love it. I've got 115k miles on it and has never let me down and it gets driven 1,200 miles a month and I am religious on filter changes. And the use of additives. I would own another one .
115K is nothing to brag about. I regularly see gas engines with 3 times that milage.
I can say true to that. My last truck had a 5.2 and 261k on it. And would probably still have it if the clutch didn't start slipping, other issues with front end completely coming apart. But the with factory tune and all of the negative complaints on the VM diesel engines 115k isn't bad. Although the GM has a wet belt to run the oil pump that's suggested for 150k. And Ford has a timing belt that has the same intervals. So nether of them are completely perfect ether. So of the 3 I still like the EcoD. I'm also not convinced of the aluminum block. Even though they are used in racing application.
Is that Chevy Diesel the one where you have to pull the transmission to access the oil pump belt?
i think i heard the same thing
Why ford? Why use timing BELT in your diesel engine, instead of a chain, with chain being maintenance free?? why?
chains wear out too
@@derrickodyes1934 I disagree, chains do wear off - but it will take 500k miles for chains to show "signs" and WILL NOT cease the engine. A belt will NEED to be replaced at 100k or the engine will cease.
it's just the efficiency in packaging why i think 🤔 they went with belt plus some of the competitors use a rear timing chain set to get the packaging right.. while other use rear chain and belt.. so if that's the case then i would rather just go with the Front timing Belt and be done with it..
It's OK, Chevy drives the oil pump with a belt. LoL
Joe Brown I would rather do 1 timing chain removal at 400-500k than 5 timing belt / water pump services lol they are not cheap.
All the 3.0 diesel engineers should’ve spent a little more time making the engines cog driven (like a Cummins) and not chain or belt driven. I think with the torque these engines have, higher mileage may possibly become a concern for potential failure or serious damage especially that duramax that has a belt driven oil pump... nice review 👍👍👍
Ecodiesel lacks sufficient main bearing surfaces for the amount of power it produces. “Under-built” is an understatement.
Is that what’s wrong with them? I’ve had mine for 3 years deleted and it did some funky shit this weekend.
@@MaxVerslappin48
I am not knowledgeable enough and don’t have the complete picture to be sure.
I am sure if it is not working as a heavy hauler then it should last forever with good maintenance and a delete.
I recommend the 3.0 powerstroke with 10 speed, trucks a beast!
Wasn't there a class action lawsuit against the RAM 3.0 eco-diesel?
Yeah, cheating emissions I believe
@@KC-lg7tx That's what it was. Just emissions stuff. BFD. I own one in my 2017 Ram and love it.
@@KC-lg7tx Fake news ! Large corporations would NEVER lie, cheat or steal from us consumers ! Look at Amazon. They paid zero in takes and got a Million dollar REFUND from us ! :ROLLEYES:
Like Ford being hit with a billion dollar lawsuit over false MPG numbers
I've had great longevity from all my GM trucks; both past and present. My only hesitation on the GM 3.0L Diesel is the use of a belt to power the oil pump versus a chain and the lackluster interior. My concern with the FCA 3.0L is all the problems they had with the previous Gen 2 and the overall build quality of FCA products, in general. No concerns about the Ford, though; as I've given Ford every opportunity I'm ever going to afford them.
The oil pump belt is an easy fix, unless you don't know how to use a wrench
Well here we are in 2021, with your odd choice, the “classic last gen Ram”, no longer available. But over a full year in the GMC/Chevy trucks? I’d go with the inline 6, over the V 6 any day. The inherent natural balance of the inline, along with the increased number of main crankshaft bearings get my vote. Yes the Ram is also nice, plus the Ford. But if I were to buy a new Ford, that would undoubtedly be the new 3.5 Eco-Boost Hybrid! But diesel would be DuraMax.
i'm looking at a 2015 ram right now thats why i'm watching videos. thanks for the info.
RAM is the best choice. Very high resale value!
Ford's '21 7.3 gas pushrod 2v motor is eye opener in F250 & up option list. A low cost, SBC gen3/4 similiar architecture design, compliments now ancient 'LS' motors at a Big Block displacment. It gives diesel true cost competition for many users. Plus it will share the miniscle expenses 'LS' types power modifications enjoy and relative smaller packaging needs.
Reading through the comments everyone here is saying my (2017-2019) has no problems. Id Fing hope not, you pay 50k for something, it better work for more than 3 years. No one expects a 3 year old truck to break...we want to hear from people with 200k+ miles!
this is the review i had been waiting for. i still love the front end design on the ram eco diesel. this was one hell of a review, thank you.
Also inline 6 is a more proven diesel platform/design. And usually leave more room in the engine bay to work on, has fewer parts, and is a simpler motor to work on.
straight 6 is better than a V6 in everything. So very easy choice here.
less vibration. Lower consumption. Durable and less moving parts. Good sound.
Wrong it's the Opposite' Do sum research bro'
@@jacobsebastien3910 lol you need do that. Tell me plz. Need samting laufing about. v6 better? why tell me plz.
Jacob Sebastien reliability and torque goes to straight six, but hp goes to the v six
@@CarGuy5141 True. very big HP is V6 better like Nissan GTR 3.8 V6.
Not disagreeing with your point about I6 being better, but look at GMs version of the 3L before you buy one. All of the timing, high pressure pump, and oil pump is all rear driven. The oil pump is actually driven with an oiled rubber belt.
I like the track record as you had said that the ecodiesel has. The ford also has a tried and true diesel from the range rover. I'm a little concerned about gm using a cast aluminum block, that's seems like it may be the weak link to an otherwise use of best design the inline 6, disappointed.
Matt Fischer it’s Duramax, a joint venture between Isuzu and GM. Isuzu is known for its good quality diesel engines all around world, they are probably providing the technology.
I wonder if its gonna be like the gas engine that gm tried to make a diesel engine and I can't list all the people with their law suits against gm.... one law suit was for $8K
Hindsight is 2020, but as a Ford fanboy, I have to admit chevy won this battle because neither dodge or ford survived the diesel competition. GM is now the only surviving half ton diesel and to rub it in, they are offering it in several trims including their smaller trucks and jeeps. I wish Ford and Ram had continued to offer a diesel powertrain in the smaller engines. I wonder if they know something about emissions in 2027 that has sealed the deal for diesel options. As a diesel owner, I hope I'm wrong.
I think the 3.0 Dmax will live on. GM needs its big fuel economy numbers. Ford stopped offering it because nobody wanted it, especially when there are V6 turbocharged gas engines that make as much or more power and don't come with the extra costs associated with diesel engines. The Ford Transit diesel was discontinued in 2019 but the remaining inventory dealers had still outsold the F-150 diesel. That's how poorly the diesel F-150 sold. Ram likely discontinued the EcoDiesel because of the combination of a damaged reputation and the fact that their turbocharged gasoline inline-6 was nearly ready and would outperform the ecodiesel. They're betting that the ecodiesel wouldn't be worth investing in emissions updates if 99% of consumers went for the inline 6 option.
Generally, doesn't an in line design have a longer stroke optimizing torque? I would love to see that Duramax offered in the Colorado, but I don't think theres room.
Colorado already have a 2.8l i4 "baby"max the 3l probably over drive that little truck
I saw this video a month after I purchased my 2019 Ram 1500 Classic w/ Gen2 Ecodiesel. But by the looks and sounds of it, I made the right decision.
Love the 3.0L diesel in my Touareg TDI. It's a beast of an SUV.
Went with the Touareg instead of a truck, since the work is pulling the various trailers I own anyway. Lower initial cost (used), higher MPG, and a classier personal vehicle when the work is done. Liking that so far.
I'll be buying a 3.0L duramax in a few years if it proves to be a good engine.
When I found they were going with belts, I dropped my plans for purchase. Not alone in this mindset either.
I guess I'm bias bc I own a second gen ecodiesel in my Jeep and absolutely love it! So I agree with your choice! Lol
What engine/year? I have the 2.8 vm motouri, then there was the Mercedes engine for 07-08, I'm not sure I know much about the v6 vm motouri
I have second gen 3.0 diesel as well in the ram truck and love it!
Although they are both 3.0L, they are not the same. The 3.0 in the New Jeeps is an ALTERRED version of the 3.0 in Ram Pick-ups.
Yeah I figured that out when I was doing research BEFORE I bought a ecodiesel.
jeeps weigh nothing,,that,,, is why its reliable..
I know a mechanic who works on the Ram EcoDiesel at a service center for a dealership. He says they are absolute garbage. It’s an Italian Diesel engine. They are always in the shop. DO NOT BUY. Powerstroke has come a long way. I would buy that one
So here we are a year later. Any revisions to this ranking?
I've had a 2014, 2016 and now a 2018 Ecodiesel. I have loved them all. Very happy with the fuel economy! I traded my 14 and 16 at 110,000kms. This got me into a new truck with a similar payment. I had a hemi before and it was costing me $1200 per month in fuel, the ecodiesel has consistently been around $600. I drive 5 to 6000kms per month, so the diesel makes it more affordable.
David Pritchard I too have had a 2014, 2016, and a 2017 all with Ecodiesel. I’ve had no trouble with any of them and get good fuel economy. I just purchased a new 2019 Ram with Hemi Etourque. It is great. I use about 20% more fuel than Ecodiesel but it is extremely smooth and quiet. The cost of diesel is typically about 20% more than gasoline. But the oil changes are way less and no def. I was very happy with my Ecodiesels but this new Hemi E is very very good! The truck itself is absolutely outstanding! I suspect that Ram will continue to improve the drivelines in the future possibly putting the 6.2 or 6.4 naturally aspirated in the 2020 or 2021 model. They are trying very hard to beat Ford and the June sales number has beaten Silverado and GMC combined and now breathing down the neck of F 150. Ram engineers are on a roll to dominate with the best equipment available.
Thanks for the info - great to here from someone with real worl experience owning a truck!
I wouldn't brag about reliability trading trucks in at 68000 miles...LOL
So reliable you keep trading them off before you get too close to the mileage where the rod bearings fail.... isn't much for evidence of their reliability.
@@retiresoon5639 I get it, but they have all been great trucks and gotten great fuel mileage.