Not being able to change battery sucks because its now a disposable group,Ill wait for L-Twoo to come out with a rim version,I bought 2 L-Twoo disc groups and they are awesome
"disposable" only in the strictest possible sense. It will last 5-10 years and for £400-600 (depending on where you source the groupset and when - I got mine for £370 on AliExpress on a sale with additional coupon discounts) how is that a deal-breaker?
That front derailleur seems to need some improvement. But I could see where you could continue to run a full mechanical front shifter -brake / derailleur and use the EDS for only rear shifting.
I really like that they use the same logic as Shimano on shifting the gears. Altough Sram is fully wireless but using the left lever to go one way and the right lever to go another way on the cassette and push both levers simultaneously to change gears on the front was always an illogic idea from Sram. Love this groupset. Seriously started to think to get one.
Sram's way of shifting electronically is totally logic, you just have to get used to it. With Shimano you have to pay more attention to hit the right button.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Well, you can get used to mostly anything, even if its not logic. I've referenced "their" lack of logic to the manual systems. Only Shimano followed that. I prefer Sram's wireless approach but I like Shimano's lever logic. So actually EDS is the winner for me.
I love how sram shifts…really enjoying this groupset too though. But out off all the brands I like the way you change gears on sram. Although this doesn’t mean it the best.
Very nice presentation. Thank you! Is it possible to reconfigure the shifter buttons to behave like Sram? Left = easier. Right = harder. Both together = front shift?
Does adjusting the FD to shift better mess up the auto trim? For di2 the FD will shift correctly and then adjust to the trimmed position, I wonder if EDS does the same or if it just goes directly to the trimmed position (which could explain the bad shifting).
It is a Montblanc Meisterstuck with Bianchi Watch Band. delraywatch.com/montblanc-meisterstuck-chronograph-4810-501-inventory-5765/ pezcyclingnews.com/newswire/bianchi-timepieces-bianchi-presents-new-watches-collection/
Thank you for assuming that I am unprofessional about this. Anyway, my objective is to point to the likely workmanship issue. I have installed all kinds of groupsets. Never once I stripped a screw thread on a derailleur. But ok. Be warned.
My big fear for this is that its going to get hit by Shimano and SRAM patents and disappear from the market. Shimano holds lots of auto-trimming patents and SRAM has patents around batteries on wireless derailleurs (hence lots of wireless groupsets having wires connecting a battery pack to the derailleurs) - both features this groupset sports.
@JimiBobIJones No it won't Sram will lose their PATENT On the removeable battery due to a new EU LAW that comes into effect 2027 that all manufacturers have to provide a removable battery for their products for the consumer able to change and this includes smartphones. This means Wheeltop can use and redesign the R.D. for a removable battery and there's nothing Sram can do about it. This only applies for the E.U. market area countries.
@@JimIBobIJones The reality is Sram won't have a leg to stand on they cannot take the EU to court and force them change the EU LAWS just to protect their Patent. They stuffed on this one for sure. And its a wake up call to them to bring there prices down. Its cheaper for them to make a AXS shifter than it is to make a mechanical one, and look at the advantage they took on that one to coffer their profits easily! So its good to see another company's to take them on and have more consumer choice and competition and lower prices.
I had the same experience setting this up as well on my rim brake Ritchey. Be prepare to spend hours figuring this out, but eventually it'll work.
I'm not an American. But I like to hear you speak and make the effort to speak a foreign language... You are doing good.
thanks for sharing
Not being able to change battery sucks because its now a disposable group,Ill wait for L-Twoo to come out with a rim version,I bought 2 L-Twoo disc groups and they are awesome
absolut dealbreaker. I mean there will be a way to exchange it by destructiv methode, but it wont be rainproof after :D
"disposable" only in the strictest possible sense. It will last 5-10 years and for £400-600 (depending on where you source the groupset and when - I got mine for £370 on AliExpress on a sale with additional coupon discounts) how is that a deal-breaker?
@@JimIBobIJonesYou have link? How do you get coupons?
@@Jifflan I don't think youtube allows links?
i believe they batteries can be removed and replaced but can't confirm.
Thank you for your review. And your patience with the front derailleur. 😅
Very nice informative review sir. I have a 10 speed setup cable manual. It’s tempting!
That front derailleur seems to need some improvement. But I could see where you could continue to run a full mechanical front shifter -brake / derailleur and use the EDS for only rear shifting.
With the front derailleur you should use the adjustment bolt
I really like that they use the same logic as Shimano on shifting the gears. Altough Sram is fully wireless but using the left lever to go one way and the right lever to go another way on the cassette and push both levers simultaneously to change gears on the front was always an illogic idea from Sram. Love this groupset. Seriously started to think to get one.
Sram's way of shifting electronically is totally logic, you just have to get used to it. With Shimano you have to pay more attention to hit the right button.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Well, you can get used to mostly anything, even if its not logic. I've referenced "their" lack of logic to the manual systems. Only Shimano followed that. I prefer Sram's wireless approach but I like Shimano's lever logic. So actually EDS is the winner for me.
@@EllasPOSEiDONsrams shifting is much more logical. it’s the same methodology used by sports cars paddle shifters.
@@downbad9066 Are you cycling on a sportcar or a bicycle? For me Shimano is far more logical, dedicated shifter lever for one derailleur.
I love how sram shifts…really enjoying this groupset too though. But out off all the brands I like the way you change gears on sram. Although this doesn’t mean it the best.
Lovely bike 👍
Thank you for a very good presentation!
nice review! Thanks for your effort.
Nice review and good bike build
Nice review.
Very nice presentation. Thank you!
Is it possible to reconfigure the shifter buttons to behave like Sram? Left = easier. Right = harder. Both together = front shift?
excellent!
6:44 - Were you actually able to change the values in this screen? I am not and my mech rubs in certain gear combinations. Thanks.
Haha, Uncle Cliff😅 subscribed and thumbs up!
Waterproofing has been the problem for previous chinese made electronic group-sets. I hope this one differs.
excellent, cheers! I'm a bit tempted tbh
Can this shifter be used with Campagnolo cassettes and chains and cranks????
Good job!
Does adjusting the FD to shift better mess up the auto trim? For di2 the FD will shift correctly and then adjust to the trimmed position, I wonder if EDS does the same or if it just goes directly to the trimmed position (which could explain the bad shifting).
Unrelated, but I really like your watch as seen at 7"45 ! Which model is that ? Thanks !
It is a Montblanc Meisterstuck with Bianchi Watch Band.
delraywatch.com/montblanc-meisterstuck-chronograph-4810-501-inventory-5765/
pezcyclingnews.com/newswire/bianchi-timepieces-bianchi-presents-new-watches-collection/
Very interesting
There is another model hydraulic???
I am trying to understand why this over SRAM axs apex or rival?
The batery,can it last?
Thank you for assuming that I am unprofessional about this. Anyway, my objective is to point to the likely workmanship issue. I have installed all kinds of groupsets. Never once I stripped a screw thread on a derailleur. But ok. Be warned.
Which files do you use on the front derailer for adjustment?
... derailleur*
@@einundsiebenziger5488On the front derailer…….in the app……which files do you use for trim adjustment etc….
What frame is that?
Its a hand made steel frame made by my friend as his hobby long ago...
seems the responding is much slower then Sram!
My big fear for this is that its going to get hit by Shimano and SRAM patents and disappear from the market. Shimano holds lots of auto-trimming patents and SRAM has patents around batteries on wireless derailleurs (hence lots of wireless groupsets having wires connecting a battery pack to the derailleurs) - both features this groupset sports.
@JimiBobIJones No it won't Sram will lose their PATENT On the removeable battery due to a new EU LAW that comes into effect 2027 that all manufacturers have to provide a removable battery for their products for the consumer able to change and this includes smartphones. This means Wheeltop can use and redesign the R.D. for a removable battery and there's nothing Sram can do about it. This only applies for the E.U. market area countries.
@@gracierunwiththewind EU =/= the whole world... EU patents have less cross border impact than US.
@@JimIBobIJones The reality is Sram won't have a leg to stand on they cannot take the EU to court and force them change the EU LAWS just to protect their Patent. They stuffed on this one for sure. And its a wake up call to them to bring there prices down. Its cheaper for them to make a AXS shifter than it is to make a mechanical one, and look at the advantage they took on that one to coffer their profits easily! So its good to see another company's to take them on and have more consumer choice and competition and lower prices.
@@gracierunwiththewind they've already taken down a Chinese group set....
@@JimIBobIJones I would be interested to know which one?
How much?
around 700 USD
英文版
But reliabilities is a major issues...Chinese product dont usually last long!