The ability to switch between 10-11-12 rear clusters is fantastic, just keep an old 10 speed cluster on the turbo, and if they have designed the app correctly it should be super easy to swap between road and turbo use. To really take advantage of this , they should just have the option to set up different rear wheels.. so you could swap between turbo, 60mm, winter wheel etc all with their own indexing saved.
At the moment I can buy the Shimano 105 Di2 complete group for 850.-Swiss francs online. I see no reason to buy an L-Twoo for 650.- without cassette and crankset. With shimano you know what you're getting and if something goes wrong you'll find replacement parts everywhere.
Yeah shimano is pretty much failproof at this point, would trust my life on it not failing over a 200 mile ride. That’s A LOT more valuable than saving a couple of 100g (if even)
And those of in other parts of the world have to pay $2300 AUD (about 1400 Swiss francs) for Shimano 105 if you can even get find it. $820 for eRX . And good luck geting any shimano spares from my LBS the are having to cannibalize full sets or you can wait 8 months maybe get something.
They sent me a new battery case to solve the same issue and it's been flawless since. It's been a pleasure dealing with them and I think they've got a bright future. the shifting speed on this thing is mental!! I have other bikes with Di2 and Sram wireless and ltwoo shifts faster. Going to be offering it to my customers on custom builds soon.
I think we can all agree on that point. Nonetheless I think we can all understand why they made the choice they did, all factors considered. Now we can only hope they turnover a fully functioning and reliable product in the near future.@@charliewhiskey8440
If you’re thinking of L-Twoo, I cannot strongly enough recommend against it. I have two group sets, the RX and the GR9, and they’ve been a disaster. Unfortunately, I don’t have the platform that GC/Panda/Trace has, so L-Twoo just dgaf about my issues, and I’ve been stuck having to replace both with Shimano/SRAM. All-in, I’m out 2x what I would’ve been just going mainstream in the first place.
The problem with some Chinese companies trying to break into western markets is that they aren't quite ready with customer service and quality control. This seems to be a product with real potential. LTwoo just neededs to get their act together with QC and product development.
Will it be surprise to you that people in PRC are: a) Less than fluent in English language to be able to speak with native speakers who want support; b) Generally smarter and less dependent on manufacturer so once they buy stuff they try to fix it themselves and only when they're out of options they're going to the official support service; c) Many of the stuff they buy and use don't have customer service since it's a fairly new idea to them?
Yes. Since I received the replacement rear derailleur it’s been running perfectly. I’ve ridden probably 600 km on it now and it’s been slick and smooth. If it keeps this way look out Shimano and SRAM.
Here in Belgium, it costs 820 (without tax) euros and you still need to buy a crank, cassette, chain and rotors. And a 105 di2 is only 250 euros more expensive with everything included. Im not sure why anyone in europe would want this...
yea when they have the deals where 105 dis is just a little bit more money then it is no brainer to get 105 wiht the backing from shimano and the tried and true tech, I have the 105di2 on my elves right nwo and literally cant tell the difference between ultegra and duracae it is pretty much idetical
I have tiagra 10s hydraulic on my giant Defy. I mean, it came with Tiagra mechanical shifters that were paired with what appears to be a giant in house master cylinder mounted to the stem and trp calipers. Point is I swapped my shifters and brakes to hydraulic Tiagra. And my rear derailleur to 105.
I must be missing something, but I don't understand why everyone talks of the "incredible value" of the L-TWOO. So it is around $1000-1300 AUD. For that you get two handles and two derailleurs (not a complete groupset). Ok, and two brake calipers but that's small things. If you look at shimano 105 two handles will be around $300-400 each, plus the rear derailleur another 300-400... Front derailleur around $150. That is just normal price, without bargain hunting too much... So that's very roughly around $1500 for the 105. If you run 1x and if you do some bargain hunting obviously a lot cheaper for Shimano. And with L-TWOO you can not really get it any cheaper. So why would one get L-TWOO instead of 105 di2 if the price is so close?
because before this price decrease shimano 105 di2 retail was 2000 and mechanical was 1000 but now with black firdya prices and over stock yyou can find shimano stuff for cheaper then this, also this is meant to rival top tier compoennts with weights being similar to sram red, and this goes against sram upgrade kit there 5 piece which is sold just like this and is 2600 now 1000
Seems it’s good to be a TH-camr, as I’ve had nothing but issues with an R9 group set via their official Ali Express account and support has been lousy. They did send me a short video to show the brake cable seat location in the shifter, but no feedback re issues I primarily have with the left shifter and front derailleur. I’d love to try the eRX on a more premium build I plan, but it seems safer for a similar price to stick to 105.
I dont know r9 but I mean hoenstly the install with this group first hand that I bought from not there store was very smooth, and the updates and also the battery fix has caused this to work very well, I could have reached out to customer support but i did not so I can not speak on how they would have handled it but in the meantime this group worked great and also the customer service has been very good
I’m just gonna stick to shimano. I’m not rich, but I’m not poor enough to need to scrimp on budget options and then have the time to deal with these issues. Take my money, and just let me ride in peace. The shimano branding for flex is also a plus.
There are other 10-speed hydraulic groupsets but actually you just have one on this bike. You just need 10-speed cassette (+chain and chainrings). Nice thing to have.
This group is also 10-speed compatible? Superb!! On my both Cyclcross-Bikes I use a 1x10 GRX setup and with L-TWOO now I'm able to electrify this drivetrains. I have one more question: Can you mount existing Shimano brakes and hoses directly to the L-TWOO levers or are the fittings different?
Unless they changed something from the mechanical versions (which I doubt) They should work fine I'm using the non series/Tiagra level ones on my Gravel bike with their gravel groupset. FYI They come fitted with the older BH59 hose/olive standard with the brass insert. I used the LT-WOO hoses but if you want to use the Shimano hoses already on your bike instead don't try and shove the spare inserts LT-WOO provide in there they are too tight and the olive will chew up the hose when you try and tighten the nut down to it.
Not knowing what production version you're getting, is a big issue with ordering from China. If they made a rim brake version of this, I would happily upgrade several of my rim brake bikes for $600. It's a shame they don't have a rear derailleur with a clutch for gravel, but I'm sure that will be coming soon.
One thing I found interesting with LTWOO is. If they can make it 11-12 speed without having to buy a groupset. Shimano and SRAM could do it too, but clearly its another way to make money for big brands.
there is a latest software update release on 27 Dec in the LTwoo app and it seemingly fixed most of my FD sleep on ride and RD missing shifts issues! sure took them a long while!
The “Blue” Edition is for sale now but the problem is that none of their official dealers have it. That’s my problem here in Thailand. L-Twoo told me that it available but don’t want to sell it to me as I am individual. They just refer me to their dealer here in Thailand and he is only willing to sell me the old version as he does not have the new version on stock. Frustrating
I agree with you on customer service. I bought a Bryton rider 750 computer. In 1 year, I had the battery fail twice. First one, it toke Bryton a month the replace it. Second one, it has been over a month and I'm still waiting for them to get back to me after they said they would replace it. Terrible customer service! I have since moved on to a Karoo 2 which I love. I see you also have one. But I will never buy another Bryton product. I would order the ERX today if they had a cable rim brake option. I want to upgrade a custom titanium tandem that uses a rim brake in the front. If I went to disc in the front, I would have to buy a new fork and front wheel. I thought about using a Sram hydro rim brake but it uses DOT 5 and Twoo uses mineral oil. Thanks for your honest review!
HI again, Update on my eRx. I received a new LTWOO eRx RD from my seller on Aliexpress, who was very helpful BTW, installed it, set it up via the app and my first 100km run was flawless. Sooo good when it works like that. I'm hanging onto it and keep my fingers crossed it lasts. How are you going with your eRx groupset?
when the shifting alignment is set up, it can be done by using the 7th cog... if needed adjust the others. Or adjust each cog. best of both worlds. An I can now use 11 or 12 speed. My old cassettes are not irrelevant.
but like I said I am currently running the original group I ordered and it has been running flawlessly, right now I am a ahppy customer with how this is turning otu and this is one of my favorite bikes to ride overall with groupset interactions and all
I waited a year and took the plunge. Worked well first ride, stuttered on the subsequent rides but I accepted it until my last ride when it died. My rear derailleur has power but has lost its way in terms of which gear it’s in. I have built most of my bikes so 😅I have tried calibration, resetting, re-installing and re calibrating each gear to no avail. I am speaking with my seller but I don’t think they can help but to send me a new set. Not confident. Hearing all these other problems from everyone else I will no longer be a masochist, accept I have lost $1000 and move back to manual operation. I will asking the seller to at least send me a hydraulic / manual gear groupset. I’m sorry but the eRX is not recommended by me. I guess you get what you pay for. I really hope they can fix this and make it as stable as the main brands. Then I’ll consider it again.
yea I am talking with other youtubers as well, and we are now carriying one of those protable battery with the charge cable on there to reconnect if the product dies for some reason but right now mine is still acting pretty good
@@GCPerformance18 My seller has been good. They are sending me a new rear derailleur for a discounted postage price of $10. That’s fair I think. I’ll keep you posted. In the meantime Bike Inn have a good deal on SRAM Force ASX HRD Groupset for $1690. This will be plan B for me at this stage. I’m giving the eRX a second chance.
Just bit the bullet and ordered the groupset. Quidco are doing double cashback (today 25th only). So 9% at aliexpress. Bought at ltwoo official store. Aluminium version with no box or batteries. £406.88 Quidco cashback £31.68 So total cost £375.20 UK Just have to wait to see if I get import duties🙏🙏 (it's hit or miss)
You just saved them quite a bit of money in R& D with your previous video. Discovered a problem and let them know. They can put a lower price than Shimano abd Sram, theyre saving in R&D.
Hope they'll fix it as soon as that sweet Winspace Agile gets released. Ltwoo not having cranksets (yet) is a shame. Although I like the looks of Shimanos cranks the most, a 100% matching groupset would awesome. I have a Senicx crank on my gravel bike and it looks alright with the sensah, but a gold/black crankset would suit the ltwoo mechs the best
hello dear friend excellent video. I have a new cbt disc bike frame assembly project so very interested in these new ltwoo and wheeltop groups but I still hesitate to make a choice for fear of making a mistake. I have been riding with Shimano groups for years and I will be really happy to be able to test these new groups. I am from France. bye
yes it is still super nice, but right now in the current price of things I have seen people buying shimano 105 di2 groups complete for like 1000 which is insnae, this group was all about value but if you can get ddeals on complete groups if you do a little googling then this is so much better
@GCPerformance18 I've seen those Hygge frames and wheelsets, i fancy building up an aliexpress bike with the Ltwoo groupset soni can judge for myself the quality. If you say it's good, I'll deffo give it a shot
I like the appearance of the group set, I think it would be a great option over Shimano and SRAM. How do you recharge the batteries for the derailuers ?
Do you already know whether the rear derailleur should be as it is in the new version you got - this is partly aluminium - or the accidentally mixed alu and carbon versions?
My rear mech has a plastic plate with a serial number that snapped on first ride. I do have another rear mech on the as replacement. Other than the plate snapping it's been fine. I actually didn't know it snapped until putting the bike away as it didn't effect performance
Yeah mine needed adjustment too which wasn't too bad. I think I got mine really close to when you got yours. My brakes were a real pain to bleed as well but that may have been due to the integrated bars I was using
It took me months to find a front lights battery case that works on bike through all the vibration. The only one that works reliably has springs on BOTH ends of each cell.
Purchased Erx groupset in March 2024. RD stopped working on third week of April 2024. Seller stopped responding to my emails for warranty claims. Contact Ltwoo directly who says keep pushing the seller for warranty claim. Its been 100 days now that I spend close to 700$ on this grpupset and cant ride. My advice pay more and get Shimano 105 Di2. Ltwoo support is very pathetic and they go out of your way to say “keep emailing seller until he responds”
Wow that’s horrible, at this point if you’re gonna buy anything from online places for those groups I would go panda podium. You get western customer service. But that’s wild. Have you tried troubleshooting at all?
@@GCPerformance18 RD is fully dead. Send them.videos too. They.just replied keep trying to contact seller. Seller stopped answerimg emails right after the first issue. Stick to Shimano is what my experience can show you!
@@GCPerformance18 send them detailed videos with explanation and real time troudbleshooting as well. RD doesnt power up on connection to battery. On sending detailed videos, Luke Zhao from Ltwoo said this email - " speak to seller. Bye" Stick to Shimano and Sram!!
I can find the shimano 105 di2 for 1100€. By the time i build this grupo up (Grupo + Crank + Casset + Chain) -> That goes around 1000€. For has good it is, i would much rather like to buy the shimano one. With garantee + local shop know how + proven products with like +50k people on that grupo alone.
Have you tried out bigger cassetes ? 105 di2 can use the 11-34 or 11-36, ltwoo mention 32 as the max for this... If that's true its a deal breaker for me and my slow hilly rides.
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for getting back to me !! So, the cage is not as big as the shimano RDs ... I am currently running 50/34 with 11-36 cassete on R8000. Idea was to upgrade to electronic, keep the 11 speed drivetrain until I wear out the chain/cassette and then get 12spd ones. But with that limitations, maybe Ltwoo is not right for me. Also, I can get a 105 Di2 upgrade kit at around 900€ ... Ltwoo would be 600 + 23% tax + custom charges. so not so difference. I would really like to try it, and use something different, but too much of a risk at this pricepoint.
I'm just wondering why you covered up the name of the bike when you had it in your shop. But then when we saw you out on the rides, we clearly saw its a Winspace.
Hi Grant, have you had any issues with it dropping connection to the Karoo 2? When my eRX constantly goes to sleep so quickly, my Karoo 2 is constantly searching for it so I can never see the battery life or gear changing when out riding. Works fine when initially connected before riding but it always drops out and can't reconnect
ill be honest, I have no hooked it up to the karoo, I try to do less is more with the group, but majority of times when I power on the computer it would say low battery for drivewtrain when I had it, so I un hooked it
a lot of these chinese companies unfortunately don't tend to understand how important post-sale customer service is to consumers, especially outside of china. not just that, but they don't tend to believe in having proper distribution channels outside of aliexpress. for some reason some of the people in charge just don't understand how foreign markets work. most people aren't gonna go to aliexpress for their bike parts, they're gonna go to a bike shop and they're gonna want their service done at a bike shop too. but if they are doing customer service directly to consumers that's a great sign! companies like bafang who make e-bike motors simply don't talk to consumers and your only recourse is going to whoever you bought it from for support - and if it's from aliexpress, those shops come and go like crazy so it can be impossible to track them down sometimes. just being cheap and good isn't enough - it's about the whole customer experience.
it is more long but this is only one option, being that is meant for 12 speed groups, it follows the trend of shimano doing the same thing with long cages, to accommodate a bigger chain wrap
If it is a long cage, why is the derailleur limited to 34 tooth, I would have thought 42 tooth cassette at least? Thank you for your quick response really enjoy your channel.@@GCPerformance18
yea I feel like a company that prides themselves on having a rim brake option missed the mark by not making this option, it would sell so well for all those people who want that upgrade and the big names dont have the rim brake option for a 12 speed
@@BigKeith510 Shimano makes Di2 12-speed with rim brakes now. You can piece it together for even less by pairing the 8150 Ultegra levers and 7150 105 Di2 derailleurs.
during setup (l bought early but it was wrapped, not OG box tho) and l had the issue that the cables wouldn't properly hold onto the batterie. glued them in place with a bit of silicone
hello, i bought the new version of the groupset from the official ltwoo dealer, at first everything seemed to work fine, but after fully charging the battery, the rear derailleur suddenly started shifting a whole series of gears in one shift, causing the shifting is completely disrupted, it no longer recognizes the correct gear in the app. Anyone else had this problem or know how to fix it? (i tried resetting the shifter, took out battery, recharged, reconnected but nothing helps) i sent to ltwoo but no reply yet.
I just can't. I understand that people like these groupsets, but I personally can't buy something that's potentially unreliable, something that most shops here in the US haven't seen before, don't know how to service, or might refuse to service. I get his first group might have been pre-production, but cycling and performance is too important to me, and I'll forever feel like a beta tester user buying these Chinese groupsets.
First impression videos always rave about the features/vs price on these things. The only video I've seen with long term testing (Francis Cade) just showed no end of issues that would be simply unacceptable if Shimano had similar problems. Anything is expected to work when new, it's in the long run that quality shows and I am not really convinced yet, let alone with electronics in the mix. Also, where are the spares if things break? Even if they are cheap, is there a point in keeping buying disposable components to throw in the landfill? I have the previous gen Ultegra Di2. I commute and train on tha groupset all year round (rain/ice included). Over 21000km later haven't had a single issue, but I know it will be sorted if I ever do.
what do you mean? you donbt have disk brakes? or you have a cable disc brake? because if that is the case then no they only make a hydraulic, but that will still work
What none of these Chinese groupset reviews are talking about is the repairability. How is the spare parts market, can these be repaired or do they have to be tossed once it’s broken in a crash, or worn out parts. Would like a video on that. Being cheap shouldn’t be the selling point.
Totally. That has been precisely my issue with these. Francis Cade did a video on one of his mates bike with ali express parts. 20 000km in, the groupset and other components were toast (god knows when the issues started). Sure it's cheap, but having to swap a goupset every 15-20 000km doesn't make it a good product, makes it a wasteful one. Adding waste to landfills is still has a cost, even if it doesn't come out of the wallet(yet). Entry level groupsets from Shimano don't have the bling, but I bet they will last much longer than anything from Ltwoo or Sensah. And they can be fixed.
i think they've tested and engineered a product that works. unfortunately their quality control and their business approach isn't good enough. ltwoo rushing this product out is hurting its reputation and potential to be a viable option.
I mean like you said the product is amazing once fixed and it is tired and true right now and I am thrilled with this as is, but it was for sre rushed or maybe leaked earlier then they wanted too on aliexpress
Same performance and high quality but both have different gearing ratio so depends what you prefer Shimano is lighter /cheaper 11-34 or 11-30 do the job , personally Shimano all day ,Sram is not on the same lvl as Shimano
j'ai acheté le groupe complet ltwoo erx électronique 12 v .Premièrement le pédalier est violé , la cassette 12v est violée , le freinage est catastrophique. Je n'ai pas de nouvelle de LTWOO
@@GCPerformance18 Yeah you definitely paid for a pre production model the first time around $600-$700 for an electronic groupset is darn cheap so I wonder about the longevity.
Anyone have deraliuer battery draining issues after the bike is left for a few days? Mine seems to loose 50% charge over a few days. I'm using decent quality batteries as well and have tried different pairs.
@@GCPerformance18would it be a good idea to talk to ltwoo and have them update that chainline alignment issue you mentioned via a software update? Also was that the 711 in Hillsboro at the end?
I ride 9-speed Sora and cheap Microshift R9 rear mech and never had a problem. Why have such unnecessary complexity in a bicycle, "Keep it simple, stupid!" principle rules!
Rimbreak optionFTW.... They could steal so many users from SRAM and Shiman with rimbreak bikes.... New bike = 30-50K / upgrade keeping bike and all 6-7k.... that's a nobrainer
What do you guys think, should I do another high end build with that group or should I give away to my viewers? Let me know!!
Fit it. Ride it. Review it. Give it away.
Throw it in the bin.
💯GIVE AWAY! 💯
I'll take it for my next custom build 😆😆😆
Fit. It. Ride it. Give it away. But try it. Couple rides. Back nicely in box
A rim brake upgrade kit (so shifters + derailleurs) would be amazing I think, there would definitely be a market for that...
Agreed!
I’d be buying for my indoor trainer!
I would buy it immediately!
Me too! I have a nice rim brake frame that this would be fantastic for
The ability to switch between 10-11-12 rear clusters is fantastic, just keep an old 10 speed cluster on the turbo, and if they have designed the app correctly it should be super easy to swap between road and turbo use. To really take advantage of this , they should just have the option to set up different rear wheels.. so you could swap between turbo, 60mm, winter wheel etc all with their own indexing saved.
What I learned more than anything here is to never ask Grant to keep a secret.
lmfaooo
Bit of tape next time 😉
The video just showed the full winspace and agile logos 😂
@@jameseastwood402 exactly my thought
At the moment I can buy the Shimano 105 Di2 complete group for 850.-Swiss francs online. I see no reason to buy an L-Twoo for 650.- without cassette and crankset. With shimano you know what you're getting and if something goes wrong you'll find replacement parts everywhere.
Yeah shimano is pretty much failproof at this point, would trust my life on it not failing over a 200 mile ride.
That’s A LOT more valuable than saving a couple of 100g (if even)
And those of in other parts of the world have to pay $2300 AUD (about 1400 Swiss francs) for Shimano 105 if you can even get find it. $820 for eRX . And good luck geting any shimano spares from my LBS the are having to cannibalize full sets or you can wait 8 months maybe get something.
They sent me a new battery case to solve the same issue and it's been flawless since. It's been a pleasure dealing with them and I think they've got a bright future. the shifting speed on this thing is mental!! I have other bikes with Di2 and Sram wireless and ltwoo shifts faster. Going to be offering it to my customers on custom builds soon.
yea as long as they are on top with helping consumers and responding to emails that is the biggest thing. they will go far
depending on your time zone, that might involve some chatting @ 4:00 AM. .
10pm to 12am and 8am to 10am are my go-to communication times with my Chinese suppliers 😁@@madjackal696
It would have been better if they didn't use their paying early adopters as beta testers in the first place!
I think we can all agree on that point. Nonetheless I think we can all understand why they made the choice they did, all factors considered. Now we can only hope they turnover a fully functioning and reliable product in the near future.@@charliewhiskey8440
I love how he is all showing the ankle in the shop, and just goes fully monty in the outdoor footage
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If you’re thinking of L-Twoo, I cannot strongly enough recommend against it. I have two group sets, the RX and the GR9, and they’ve been a disaster. Unfortunately, I don’t have the platform that GC/Panda/Trace has, so L-Twoo just dgaf about my issues, and I’ve been stuck having to replace both with Shimano/SRAM. All-in, I’m out 2x what I would’ve been just going mainstream in the first place.
The problem with some Chinese companies trying to break into western markets is that they aren't quite ready with customer service and quality control. This seems to be a product with real potential. LTwoo just neededs to get their act together with QC and product development.
„just“ 😅
Will it be surprise to you that people in PRC are:
a) Less than fluent in English language to be able to speak with native speakers who want support;
b) Generally smarter and less dependent on manufacturer so once they buy stuff they try to fix it themselves and only when they're out of options they're going to the official support service;
c) Many of the stuff they buy and use don't have customer service since it's a fairly new idea to them?
Yes. Since I received the replacement rear derailleur it’s been running perfectly. I’ve ridden probably 600 km on it now and it’s been slick and smooth. If it keeps this way look out Shimano and SRAM.
thats awesome and good news yea I think the first version It was a hardware issue
Here in Belgium, it costs 820 (without tax) euros and you still need to buy a crank, cassette, chain and rotors. And a 105 di2 is only 250 euros more expensive with everything included. Im not sure why anyone in europe would want this...
yea when they have the deals where 105 dis is just a little bit more money then it is no brainer to get 105 wiht the backing from shimano and the tried and true tech, I have the 105di2 on my elves right nwo and literally cant tell the difference between ultegra and duracae it is pretty much idetical
I have tiagra 10s hydraulic on my giant Defy.
I mean, it came with Tiagra mechanical shifters that were paired with what appears to be a giant in house master cylinder mounted to the stem and trp calipers.
Point is I swapped my shifters and brakes to hydraulic Tiagra. And my rear derailleur to 105.
I must be missing something, but I don't understand why everyone talks of the "incredible value" of the L-TWOO. So it is around $1000-1300 AUD. For that you get two handles and two derailleurs (not a complete groupset). Ok, and two brake calipers but that's small things. If you look at shimano 105 two handles will be around $300-400 each, plus the rear derailleur another 300-400... Front derailleur around $150. That is just normal price, without bargain hunting too much... So that's very roughly around $1500 for the 105. If you run 1x and if you do some bargain hunting obviously a lot cheaper for Shimano. And with L-TWOO you can not really get it any cheaper. So why would one get L-TWOO instead of 105 di2 if the price is so close?
because before this price decrease shimano 105 di2 retail was 2000 and mechanical was 1000 but now with black firdya prices and over stock yyou can find shimano stuff for cheaper then this, also this is meant to rival top tier compoennts with weights being similar to sram red, and this goes against sram upgrade kit there 5 piece which is sold just like this and is 2600 now 1000
I love the fact that you need to slide the foam back to cover the logo of the frame :)))
And showed the whole bike later on anyway :)))
hahahahah
Seems it’s good to be a TH-camr, as I’ve had nothing but issues with an R9 group set via their official Ali Express account and support has been lousy. They did send me a short video to show the brake cable seat location in the shifter, but no feedback re issues I primarily have with the left shifter and front derailleur. I’d love to try the eRX on a more premium build I plan, but it seems safer for a similar price to stick to 105.
I dont know r9 but I mean hoenstly the install with this group first hand that I bought from not there store was very smooth, and the updates and also the battery fix has caused this to work very well, I could have reached out to customer support but i did not so I can not speak on how they would have handled it but in the meantime this group worked great and also the customer service has been very good
Shimano 105 di2 is pretty much the same price. Whats the point of buying this ?
ltwoo- 600 di2-1200
lol seriously? Where is 105di2 the same price as this?
I’m just gonna stick to shimano.
I’m not rich, but I’m not poor enough to need to scrimp on budget options and then have the time to deal with these issues.
Take my money, and just let me ride in peace. The shimano branding for flex is also a plus.
There are other 10-speed hydraulic groupsets but actually you just have one on this bike. You just need 10-speed cassette (+chain and chainrings). Nice thing to have.
this is truue and also the tiagra is a great upgrade option
Shimano has a hydraulic version for Tiagra which is 10speed
This group is also 10-speed compatible? Superb!! On my both Cyclcross-Bikes I use a 1x10 GRX setup and with L-TWOO now I'm able to electrify this drivetrains.
I have one more question: Can you mount existing Shimano brakes and hoses directly to the L-TWOO levers or are the fittings different?
Unless they changed something from the mechanical versions (which I doubt) They should work fine I'm using the non series/Tiagra level ones on my Gravel bike with their gravel groupset.
FYI They come fitted with the older BH59 hose/olive standard with the brass insert. I used the LT-WOO hoses but if you want to use the Shimano hoses already on your bike instead don't try and shove the spare inserts LT-WOO provide in there they are too tight and the olive will chew up the hose when you try and tighten the nut down to it.
Im really glad you reviewed this. Thank you so much. I want to try them out
you are very welcoime
Not knowing what production version you're getting, is a big issue with ordering from China. If they made a rim brake version of this, I would happily upgrade several of my rim brake bikes for $600. It's a shame they don't have a rear derailleur with a clutch for gravel, but I'm sure that will be coming soon.
yea this is true
One thing I found interesting with LTWOO is. If they can make it 11-12 speed without having to buy a groupset. Shimano and SRAM could do it too, but clearly its another way to make money for big brands.
shit they can go al the way to a 10 speed if needed they are winning in that category
there is a latest software update release on 27 Dec in the LTwoo app and it seemingly fixed most of my FD sleep on ride and RD missing shifts issues! sure took them a long while!
Tiagra was Hydro 10s and there is actually an LT-Woo mechanical Hydro 1x10 gravel groupset too (GR7) .
yes this is a very big component brand i forgot
The “Blue” Edition is for sale now but the problem is that none of their official dealers have it. That’s my problem here in Thailand.
L-Twoo told me that it available but don’t want to sell it to me as I am individual. They just refer me to their dealer here in Thailand and he is only willing to sell me the old version as he does not have the new version on stock.
Frustrating
I agree with you on customer service. I bought a Bryton rider 750 computer. In 1 year, I had the battery fail twice. First one, it toke Bryton a month the replace it. Second one, it has been over a month and I'm still waiting for them to get back to me after they said they would replace it. Terrible customer service! I have since moved on to a Karoo 2 which I love. I see you also have one. But I will never buy another Bryton product. I would order the ERX today if they had a cable rim brake option. I want to upgrade a custom titanium tandem that uses a rim brake in the front. If I went to disc in the front, I would have to buy a new fork and front wheel. I thought about using a Sram hydro rim brake but it uses DOT 5 and Twoo uses mineral oil. Thanks for your honest review!
HI again, Update on my eRx. I received a new LTWOO eRx RD from my seller on Aliexpress, who was very helpful BTW, installed it, set it up via the app and my first 100km run was flawless. Sooo good when it works like that. I'm hanging onto it and keep my fingers crossed it lasts. How are you going with your eRx groupset?
it is going good, I had some issues with the old battery but the new one they sent out it holding up really good, I am very happy ewith it
when the shifting alignment is set up, it can be done by using the 7th cog... if needed adjust the others. Or adjust each cog. best of both worlds. An I can now use 11 or 12 speed. My old cassettes are not irrelevant.
Hopefully, @L-TWOO can fix all these issues before I buy the product. 😎I think the product is awesome and the pricing is on point 👍💯
but like I said I am currently running the original group I ordered and it has been running flawlessly, right now I am a ahppy customer with how this is turning otu and this is one of my favorite bikes to ride overall with groupset interactions and all
I waited a year and took the plunge. Worked well first ride, stuttered on the subsequent rides but I accepted it until my last ride when it died. My rear derailleur has power but has lost its way in terms of which gear it’s in. I have built most of my bikes so 😅I have tried calibration, resetting, re-installing and re calibrating each gear to no avail. I am speaking with my seller but I don’t think they can help but to send me a new set. Not confident. Hearing all these other problems from everyone else I will no longer be a masochist, accept I have lost $1000 and move back to manual operation. I will asking the seller to at least send me a hydraulic / manual gear groupset. I’m sorry but the eRX is not recommended by me. I guess you get what you pay for. I really hope they can fix this and make it as stable as the main brands. Then I’ll consider it again.
yea I am talking with other youtubers as well, and we are now carriying one of those protable battery with the charge cable on there to reconnect if the product dies for some reason but right now mine is still acting pretty good
@@GCPerformance18 My seller has been good. They are sending me a new rear derailleur for a discounted postage price of $10. That’s fair I think. I’ll keep you posted. In the meantime Bike Inn have a good deal on SRAM Force ASX HRD Groupset for $1690. This will be plan B for me at this stage. I’m giving the eRX a second chance.
@@johnp8092 any update?
So what’s the deal with obscuring the Winspace frame on the bench but not in the monsoon video?
lmao, I also have done a full video on this bike too
Theese off the shelf batteries are a great advantage.
Most electronics have off the shelf batteries. It's nice that these are easy to access though
Nice job hiding that winspace agile lol
😁
Your wrong, it's clearly the Agi model.
Just bit the bullet and ordered the groupset.
Quidco are doing double cashback (today 25th only). So 9% at aliexpress.
Bought at ltwoo official store.
Aluminium version with no box or batteries. £406.88
Quidco cashback £31.68
So total cost £375.20 UK
Just have to wait to see if I get import duties🙏🙏 (it's hit or miss)
that is amazing deal, you are going to love it, after 600 miles on it and stil riding this bike, it has been holding up very nicely
Thats a lovely looking winspace😮
agreed
You just saved them quite a bit of money in R& D with your previous video. Discovered a problem and let them know. They can put a lower price than Shimano abd Sram, theyre saving in R&D.
Hope they'll fix it as soon as that sweet Winspace Agile gets released.
Ltwoo not having cranksets (yet) is a shame. Although I like the looks of Shimanos cranks the most, a 100% matching groupset would awesome.
I have a Senicx crank on my gravel bike and it looks alright with the sensah, but a gold/black crankset would suit the ltwoo mechs the best
That gold chain against the yellow. Very rarely a gold chain bike man!!!!! Suits here loads
I think this bike meshes so good with everything, it is one of my fave looking bikes
hello dear friend excellent video. I have a new cbt disc bike frame assembly project so very interested in these new ltwoo and wheeltop groups but I still hesitate to make a choice for fear of making a mistake. I have been riding with Shimano groups for years and I will be really happy to be able to test these new groups. I am from France. bye
Would you recommend this groupset now?
yes it is still super nice, but right now in the current price of things I have seen people buying shimano 105 di2 groups complete for like 1000 which is insnae, this group was all about value but if you can get ddeals on complete groups if you do a little googling then this is so much better
@GCPerformance18 I've seen those Hygge frames and wheelsets, i fancy building up an aliexpress bike with the Ltwoo groupset soni can judge for myself the quality. If you say it's good, I'll deffo give it a shot
I like the appearance of the group set, I think it would be a great option over Shimano and SRAM. How do you recharge the batteries for the derailuers ?
Do you already know whether the rear derailleur should be as it is in the new version you got - this is partly aluminium - or the accidentally mixed alu and carbon versions?
they said accidental and they should still be full carbon cages, that they just used a piece from carbon and a piece from aluminum
My rear mech has a plastic plate with a serial number that snapped on first ride. I do have another rear mech on the as replacement. Other than the plate snapping it's been fine. I actually didn't know it snapped until putting the bike away as it didn't effect performance
really? mine has been working great it did need adjustment from the box though the limit screws were messed up right away
Yeah mine needed adjustment too which wasn't too bad. I think I got mine really close to when you got yours. My brakes were a real pain to bleed as well but that may have been due to the integrated bars I was using
It took me months to find a front lights battery case that works on bike through all the vibration. The only one that works reliably has springs on BOTH ends of each cell.
yea this is true, with this modern world, you need a good battery to power whatever u are using
10s? AWESOME!!
Yeah!
The hood size is a bit concerning but man if they come out with a rim brake version, hot damn
I know!! but once riding for a while I do not have any issues with it, the first initial rides were a little rough but now I am use to it
Purchased Erx groupset in March 2024. RD stopped working on third week of April 2024. Seller stopped responding to my emails for warranty claims. Contact Ltwoo directly who says keep pushing the seller for warranty claim.
Its been 100 days now that I spend close to 700$ on this grpupset and cant ride.
My advice pay more and get Shimano 105 Di2. Ltwoo support is very pathetic and they go out of your way to say “keep emailing seller until he responds”
Wow that’s horrible, at this point if you’re gonna buy anything from online places for those groups I would go panda podium. You get western customer service. But that’s wild. Have you tried troubleshooting at all?
@@GCPerformance18 RD is fully dead. Send them.videos too. They.just replied keep trying to contact seller. Seller stopped answerimg emails right after the first issue. Stick to Shimano is what my experience can show you!
@@GCPerformance18 send them detailed videos with explanation and real time troudbleshooting as well. RD doesnt power up on connection to battery. On sending detailed videos, Luke Zhao from Ltwoo said this email - " speak to seller. Bye"
Stick to Shimano and Sram!!
I can find the shimano 105 di2 for 1100€. By the time i build this grupo up (Grupo + Crank + Casset + Chain) -> That goes around 1000€. For has good it is, i would much rather like to buy the shimano one. With garantee + local shop know how + proven products with like +50k people on that grupo alone.
I got my 105 di2 for 900 euros installation included. They will soon give them away.
@@morneauh where you from, I need that deal
If they made this in rim brake it would be awesome to upgrade an older groupset
Have you tried out bigger cassetes ? 105 di2 can use the 11-34 or 11-36, ltwoo mention 32 as the max for this...
If that's true its a deal breaker for me and my slow hilly rides.
It depends on what you have up front. A lot of it has to do with chain wrap. If you have a 50 up front you can get away with a 34 in the back
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for getting back to me !!
So, the cage is not as big as the shimano RDs ...
I am currently running 50/34 with 11-36 cassete on R8000.
Idea was to upgrade to electronic, keep the 11 speed drivetrain until I wear out the chain/cassette and then get 12spd ones.
But with that limitations, maybe Ltwoo is not right for me.
Also, I can get a 105 Di2 upgrade kit at around 900€ ...
Ltwoo would be 600 + 23% tax + custom charges. so not so difference.
I would really like to try it, and use something different, but too much of a risk at this pricepoint.
Boss so which one to Oder both look the same .
there is only one option now so you wil get the updated version
Where is your shop at,? and what brands do you sell?
Do you have a website?
bicycle generation in deerfield beach florida, we sell specialized bmc scott and orbea
@@GCPerformance18 Nice 👍
I watched the whole video but didnt hear a word you said as i was so distracted by that mysterious frame.
hahahaha, I wouunder what it could be lol
Tiagra has a 10 speed hydraulic groupset
yea that would be such a nice upgrade for the bike
I'm just wondering why you covered up the name of the bike when you had it in your shop. But then when we saw you out on the rides, we clearly saw its a Winspace.
because they sent it out to me to ride it build it and test it to give them feedback for them to see what needed work on the bike
Hi Grant, have you had any issues with it dropping connection to the Karoo 2? When my eRX constantly goes to sleep so quickly, my Karoo 2 is constantly searching for it so I can never see the battery life or gear changing when out riding. Works fine when initially connected before riding but it always drops out and can't reconnect
ill be honest, I have no hooked it up to the karoo, I try to do less is more with the group, but majority of times when I power on the computer it would say low battery for drivewtrain when I had it, so I un hooked it
Oh man, you can't think of any 10s, with hydraulic brakes? Really?
Tiagra 4700.
i have had major trouble with sram whrn they started...so they were nit any better...been to race with massive defects aside thevroad...5 years ago
really? sram has been pretty reliable for a lot of my customers
a lot of these chinese companies unfortunately don't tend to understand how important post-sale customer service is to consumers, especially outside of china. not just that, but they don't tend to believe in having proper distribution channels outside of aliexpress. for some reason some of the people in charge just don't understand how foreign markets work. most people aren't gonna go to aliexpress for their bike parts, they're gonna go to a bike shop and they're gonna want their service done at a bike shop too.
but if they are doing customer service directly to consumers that's a great sign! companies like bafang who make e-bike motors simply don't talk to consumers and your only recourse is going to whoever you bought it from for support - and if it's from aliexpress, those shops come and go like crazy so it can be impossible to track them down sometimes. just being cheap and good isn't enough - it's about the whole customer experience.
how do you connect your bike comp with LTWOO groupset to check it's battery level.
You got me! I subscribed cause firstly great content, you’re cool guy and I want that giveaway eRX !!! I know shameful
hahahha Thank you man!!! very soon we will do something big
Is that a medium, or long cage rear derailleur?
it is more long but this is only one option, being that is meant for 12 speed groups, it follows the trend of shimano doing the same thing with long cages, to accommodate a bigger chain wrap
If it is a long cage, why is the derailleur limited to 34 tooth, I would have thought 42 tooth cassette at least?
Thank you for your quick response really enjoy your channel.@@GCPerformance18
I just checked and mine has the metal backplate aswell!?!?! Not happy with that
If they had a rim break version it would've been bought yesterday
yea I feel like a company that prides themselves on having a rim brake option missed the mark by not making this option, it would sell so well for all those people who want that upgrade and the big names dont have the rim brake option for a 12 speed
@@GCPerformance18 agreed! It may be their niche market... I would love to upgrade my old Tarmac with electronic shifting
@@BigKeith510 Shimano makes Di2 12-speed with rim brakes now. You can piece it together for even less by pairing the 8150 Ultegra levers and 7150 105 Di2 derailleurs.
build a bike up for a friend with the eRX. gonna see how he likes it. anyways 4:20 why cover up the frame when you gonna show it anyways
during setup (l bought early but it was wrapped, not OG box tho) and l had the issue that the cables wouldn't properly hold onto the batterie. glued them in place with a bit of silicone
hes going to love it, and that was the whole gig, wanted to be funnyt lol
seems to work lol
what is that computer you have on the bike ?
Hammerhead
What’s the wheelset on the bike?
craft racing wheels check out panda podium
The main issue is still not fixed there is no option for rim brake !
Tiagra is 10spd Hydraulic, so the L-TWOO would be good for that.
yea I forgot about that, that is a great group for it, would make the bike uber nice
hello,
i bought the new version of the groupset from the official ltwoo dealer, at first everything seemed to work fine, but after fully charging the battery, the rear derailleur suddenly started shifting a whole series of gears in one shift, causing the shifting is completely disrupted, it no longer recognizes the correct gear in the app. Anyone else had this problem or know how to fix it? (i tried resetting the shifter, took out battery, recharged, reconnected but nothing helps) i sent to ltwoo but no reply yet.
I have you tired a software update? go into the app and connect your email to it and run a software update
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for the reply, i deleted my acc on the app and made a new one, and reconnected my groupset. seems to work for now 🤞
I just can't. I understand that people like these groupsets, but I personally can't buy something that's potentially unreliable, something that most shops here in the US haven't seen before, don't know how to service, or might refuse to service. I get his first group might have been pre-production, but cycling and performance is too important to me, and I'll forever feel like a beta tester user buying these Chinese groupsets.
First impression videos always rave about the features/vs price on these things. The only video I've seen with long term testing (Francis Cade) just showed no end of issues that would be simply unacceptable if Shimano had similar problems.
Anything is expected to work when new, it's in the long run that quality shows and I am not really convinced yet, let alone with electronics in the mix. Also, where are the spares if things break? Even if they are cheap, is there a point in keeping buying disposable components to throw in the landfill?
I have the previous gen Ultegra Di2. I commute and train on tha groupset all year round (rain/ice included). Over 21000km later haven't had a single issue, but I know it will be sorted if I ever do.
How good do those Vittoria tyres look....
my faveorite tires right now by far
I'll wait a few years for something like this to develop. Most likely going to be more stuff that they will fix and tweak.
they are rolling out software updates all the time, it is honestly working very well right now
you stopped at the 7-11? is't the shop like 1/2 mile away? ;)
lmao thats where the ride ended
Yooo I have no problem with my cable disk brakes. Is their a product for me.
what do you mean? you donbt have disk brakes? or you have a cable disc brake? because if that is the case then no they only make a hydraulic, but that will still work
Do we really need carbon fibre on a rear derailleur?
yes.. sram and shimano say so
What none of these Chinese groupset reviews are talking about is the repairability. How is the spare parts market, can these be repaired or do they have to be tossed once it’s broken in a crash, or worn out parts. Would like a video on that. Being cheap shouldn’t be the selling point.
Totally. That has been precisely my issue with these. Francis Cade did a video on one of his mates bike with ali express parts. 20 000km in, the groupset and other components were toast (god knows when the issues started). Sure it's cheap, but having to swap a goupset every 15-20 000km doesn't make it a good product, makes it a wasteful one. Adding waste to landfills is still has a cost, even if it doesn't come out of the wallet(yet).
Entry level groupsets from Shimano don't have the bling, but I bet they will last much longer than anything from Ltwoo or Sensah. And they can be fixed.
Companies like L-Twoo need to direct sell, not Ali express. I won't buy from places like that. Take note
yea if they can wash there name off that site it would be for the better, the tag that website comes with si not good
I'm waiting with buying it until Joe from pandapodium will start selling it. I will be sure then that I have latest version and customer support.
why pay more needlessly ?
i think they've tested and engineered a product that works. unfortunately their quality control and their business approach isn't good enough. ltwoo rushing this product out is hurting its reputation and potential to be a viable option.
I mean like you said the product is amazing once fixed and it is tired and true right now and I am thrilled with this as is, but it was for sre rushed or maybe leaked earlier then they wanted too on aliexpress
Guys help. Sram cassette or shimano (both 12 speed) better for this groupset
Same performance and high quality but both have different gearing ratio so depends what you prefer Shimano is lighter /cheaper 11-34 or 11-30 do the job , personally Shimano all day ,Sram is not on the same lvl as Shimano
@@marcinstyle85 Thanks
I got for shimano
Don't know why you covered up the windspace logo. You showed it when you were swearing.
lmao thats the whole bit
Campagnolo Mechanic............no worries for 2 lifes!
Well what tier is it? Do they have a line up? I'd be interested in a review then giveaway
What wheels are those?
those are the craft wheels from panda podium, one of the best wheels i have ever rode on, 1260 grams for the set I made a video on them
A company that fails to do long term tests before releasing a product for purchase shows blatant disregard for customer satisfaction.
How to follow you on strava?
Geeez...is the front tire rubbing the down tube? lol
no its hitting packaging
j'ai acheté le groupe complet ltwoo erx électronique 12 v .Premièrement le pédalier est violé , la cassette 12v est violée , le freinage est catastrophique. Je n'ai pas de nouvelle de LTWOO
I didnt know they had a creank and cassette
Alloy backplate on the RD? It's like they are being sneaky af. "Oh the customer won't know the difference" GC performance: Hold my beer 😂
hahahah well I thought it was weird that the whole packaging was different form my original one so let me dig little more into it
@@GCPerformance18 Yeah you definitely paid for a pre production model the first time around
$600-$700 for an electronic groupset is darn cheap so I wonder about the longevity.
Anyone have deraliuer battery draining issues after the bike is left for a few days? Mine seems to loose 50% charge over a few days. I'm using decent quality batteries as well and have tried different pairs.
Winspace agile 🤣 🤣 🤣
New Winspace
Winspace agile
ha
Is the front tire of that bike rubbing against the downtube (0:35)?
its touching the foam
It’s a foam noodle to cover the brand
So you're demoing an unreleased 'Dub'space Ah-Gee-Ley?
hahahaha the bike is amazing
Oof looking forward to seeing this one.
always look forward to seeing you in the comments :)
@@GCPerformance18would it be a good idea to talk to ltwoo and have them update that chainline alignment issue you mentioned via a software update? Also was that the 711 in Hillsboro at the end?
I ride 9-speed Sora and cheap Microshift R9 rear mech and never had a problem. Why have such unnecessary complexity in a bicycle, "Keep it simple, stupid!" principle rules!
So why don’t you use 5 speed downtube shifters, like in the fifties. So much complexity in Sora!
My commute bike has Dia-Compe ENE friction shifters. Dura Ace 9spd downtube shifters on my Audax bike.@@Penalist
Rimbreak optionFTW.... They could steal so many users from SRAM and Shiman with rimbreak bikes.... New bike = 30-50K / upgrade keeping bike and all 6-7k.... that's a nobrainer
I have been telling them but who knows