+REINER ZUFALL As was Qui-gon. Qui-gon had an apprentice before Obi-wan that was drawn and eventually turned to the dark side by his master Count Dooku. (allbeit it isn't cannon anymore) gr
+REINER ZUFALL no not techniclly he started his training to late and he started his path to the dark side when imperials burned and killed everyone in his home on tatooine
+REINER ZUFALL well, they did their best in trying to derail their destinies, but in the end, even they couldn't stop what was already a foregone conclusion. so to be fair, i think it was more about the pupil becoming what they become no matter what moreso than them being bad at training jedi.
"How often do we see Yoda wrong?" Throughout the entirety Clone Wars and Episodes 1-3. His rigid mindset is his greatest flaw. His idea of the Jedi being an emotionless cult directly led to the rise of Darth Vader
In the original trilogy he wanted Luke not to go help his friends and didn't want him to know that Vader was his father so he wouldn't get connected He believed connection to people was bad and led to the Dark Side always and got proven wrong by Luke who didn't turn and in fact turned Vader back to the light by his connection
Imagine this: Kylo Ren is defeated in battle, and is forced to remove his helmet. The camera moves behind him, his hands reach up, and he slowly pulls it off his head. "Meesa sorry." He cries, before he collapses. It was Jar-Jar the whole time.
The Vader defending the Emperor scene always left me feeling a bit odd. After only 34 years I've finally figured out why, he may not have been protecting the Emperors life but rather was protecting his son from falling to the dark side.
I think so too, i also think Anakin initially never wanted to turn to the dark side, but he got baited by "nightmares/visions" of his dying lover (forgot her name, lol) and the promise of palpatine of learning how to cure/prevent/cheat death. Since he already did all those atricious things, killing the jedi order's new generation etc, there was no turning back, but i think he did regret everything (ironically a very strong negative emotion), leading up to him protecting his son from making the same mistake(s) as he did.
@@jimslav6973 No... that's not it. He wants characters to mirror each other. It is actually a writing technique. He stories are nothing like each other, if you ignore the sequels.
Even though this did not happen, one line I noticed... Luke talking to jabba: I warn you, *do* *not* *underestimate* *my* *power*. End of Battle of Episode ][ ][ ][: Obiwan: It's over anakin! I have the high ground! Anakin: *Do* *Not* *underestimate* *my* *Power*! See the resemblance?
VideoGame Madness//VGM those are vastly different scenarios Luke is trying to rescue his friends from a corrupt crime lord and anakin is trying to kill his best friend they are mirror opposites which might be poetic in some way but who knows
This seems too obvious WHAT IF THIS IS WHAT JJ WANTS US TO THINK? HE WANTS US TO THINK THIS IS THE TWIST SO THAT HE CAN TWIST US LIKE A PRETZEL DURING THE FILM THAT GENIUS BASTARD
Luke's story in this is kept in a "mystery box", that's what JJ wants, and that's all. This specific theory that Luke turned to the Dark Side, I have no doubt JJ and company LOVE and want and enjoy this Internet speculation. But it is "just a theory, an (Internet) Film Theory and too bad ass and controversial for the rather conventional Disney Company and JJ (overrated) Abrams.
+AciDic BliTzz They're riding the hype train for all the people searching for Star Wars info who may not already be subscribed. They've done the same thing with most of the last several major movie releases. It's a barnacle tactic.
Not me, I knew immediately it would be awful, but "failure is the greatest teacher" is a great video made from clips of all 9 movies. Pretty amazing. Would have been cooler had this theory been right. He would have made a better writer than who they got
+Spiked Blueshell We do know its wrong, well we know that he's not kylo ren, that's han/leia's son. We also know he doesn't turn evil in this particular movie.
+Spiked Blueshell the only one who should be face palming is you, we already know who Kylo Ren is and it's pretty obvious he's not evil. Everyone knows that he's going to train Ren to become a Jedi knight.
My thoughts exactly. He was a hypocrite in the Prequels, preaching peach but practicing war. This is why the Jedi Order fell, and this is why Luke is so disillusioned in The Last Jedi. The Legacy of the old Jedi Order was failure.
+William Washburn I think if Luke had turned to the Dark Side, he wouldn't have spent the last 10+ years hiding from everyone; including The First Order. I personally think Luke doesn't believe himself worthy of being called a Jedi Master after Ben turned to the Dark Side, and thinks it's too dangerous to allow himself to train and possibly fail other students. So in shame and disgust he goes into exile.
Why would you want Luke to turn evil?! It makes sense character arc wise, but ruins a perfectly good hero. The ending that we got is the one that he and everyone deserved.
Bema Osei-Kwabena the films ruined his character anyway might as well have done it in a cooler way, mark hamil said himself he thought they made every wrong choice when making his story arc .
@@sauldogeman2816 Because at this point he WASN'T a hero. The movie would've been tremendously better if he had become a Sith. The only way it would've worked as him as a hero is if they had followed the events of the Yuuz'an Vong war. I'm sorry, but the Empire coming back stronger than after the Battle of Endor is utter nonsense.
There is no Dark Side, nor a Light Side There is Only the Force I will do what I must to keep the balance The balance is what keeps me together There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish There is passion, Yet peace Serenity, Yet emotion Chaos, Yet order I am the wielder of the flame, the protector of balance I am the holder of the torch, lighting the way I am the keeper of the flame, soldier of balance I am a guardian of balance I am a Gray Jedi
IDK, the fact that this idea has already been planted seems reason enough for Jar Jar Abrams to not include it. No, Luke is just a Grey Jedi, like Qui-Gonn Jinn and Mace Windu. The Grey Jedi have a code as well. "There is no Dark Side, nor a Light Side There is Only the Force I will do what I must to keep the balance The balance is what keeps me together There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish There is passion, Yet peace Serenity, Yet emotion Chaos, Yet order I am the wielder of the flame, the protector of balance I am the holder of the torch, lighting the way I am the keeper of the flame, soldier of balance I am a guardian of balance I am a Gray Jedi." Hmm. Balance to the force? Why does that sound familiar? Something something prequels, something something Anakin Sykwalker, something something destiny. Qui-Gonn used Anakin as the tool of bringing true balance to the force, but Palpatine corrupted Anakin too much. He manipulated his fear of losing his family so much that even Mace Windu, a Grey Jedi, couldn't stop him. Mace Windu is the reason why Grievous was a chunk of spare parts BTW, that's not what his species looks like. He's basically the Kaleesh equivalent to Darth Vader. Nope, I think that the big bad Sith Lord is Mara Jade Skywalker. And Luke is so torn at the thought of killing his wife he allows the Empire to flourish again because of it. Just like his father did in the prequels.
+Remlap1223 See, this is something I can get behind without the silly, stupid absolutism of the Jedi and without the, ah... hm... how do I phrase this? Without the inevitability of George Lucas's Sith always being super evil. I feel like this could work very well.
+sawyer7as the grey jedi were introduced in the knights of the old republic. Revan, in the game, is possibly one of, if not the strongest jedi to ever live. Being a jedi and falling to the darkside during the mandalorian wars he emerged, different. Feeling the views of both the light and dark were 2 sides of the same coin he projected both. Knowing that the evil of the sith shouldn't rule, but the galaxy needed the evil, to keep balance. There can be no good with out evil. No peace without war. The grey jedi strive to keep this balance. But as you say, i don't think it is cannon, but it could be.
Windu was not a gray jedi just because he used bits of the dark side, he used them for good and betterment of his skills and understanding.. And kept it in control...
"If the secret got out they would lose a ton of money." Yeah because if we all knew what the sequel trilogy would've been like, we wouldn't have wasted money on tickets...
+Charles Miller He did, if you slow down the fast-forwarded intro text, part of it says "Also, NO he is NOT a Sith Lord! Stop it with your silly theorizing! That is our job!"
I'm not sure this is right. A big point for you is that Luke seems to be going the same route Anakin did, the dark side is starting to take control of him. But what is it's not? Remember, Anakin didn't just join the sith from being angry and feeling emotion in general but also because he was taught that it's wrong, almost like something to be ashamed of, that he *must* follow the jedi code but at the same time he sees that same code broken by jedi masters, just look at master Windu he tried to arrest Palpatine based on superficial evidence and then tried to make Anakin kill him. Anakin knew this was wrong, he knew that Palpatine should have been given a fair trial and this was more or less ruining what he saw the jedi as being. The great jedi master Mace Windu was breaking the jedi code and this is why at the end of the movie Anakin says that from his point of view the jedi are evil, they were hypocrites and breaking their only rules while also enforcing them on Anakin. Now look at Luke, he never knew about the jedi code, he was more or less told he shouldn't get angry and stuff(and also wasn't restricted from other things such as love) but not to the degree Anakin was and unlike Anakin, Luke never had the masters he looked up to break the code so he wholly saw the jedi as the good guys. Then we get to the end where Luke uses his anger to defeat Vader in battle and Palpatine seems to think that this means Luke has given himself up to the dark side but he didn't, to Luke he kind of couldn't see how something that simple would completely change someone and make them an evil person, he wasn't corrupted by the power but also didn't see any reason to avoid it like the jedi code tells you to. He was at a middle ground, not truly a jedi as he breaks the code but does not allow himself to be corrupted by the power. If Luke were in similar situations to Anakin in which he saw first hand that the jedi themselves were becoming corrupt perhaps he too would have started to favour the dark side and see them as right as they don't restrict emotion as the jedi do. But Luke never had that huge burden of trying to suppress his emotions, he never saw corruption of the jedi, at the end of the day Luke not properly being trained as a jedi is what saved him, unlike Anakin he has no reason to join the dark side because he has no reason to oppose the jedi, he sees the sith as evil while for Anakin, being close to the jedi and seeing what the jedi order was becoming, it wasn't quite so night and day. So really I don't see Luke being a sith lord at all because why would he? What reason does Luke have to join the sith when he sees them as evil and the jedi as good?
+QuakeGamer632 "bring balance to the force" - balance is the key phrase introduced in the prequel trilogies. The logical play out is that there should one type of force user - balancing the ying and yang that the dichotomy of the light/dark structure presents. Luke's absence is less a question about whether he is light or dark, rather it is has he maintained control over his emotions so as not to be ruled by them. Your point about the jedi order is spot on, there are hints of this internal struggle for the jedi in the prequels. I think Luke's absence is more a promotional element then one of real substance to the movies. Though you need to ask why does each trilogy start on a desert world and the finding of a force hero? If we take the cyclical nature into consideration then perhaps Luke's absence is more akin to Yoda - he failed to do something and therefore hid from his failure - his nephew being a sith is the probable failure.
no. he didnt say to spare palpatine because of the jedi code. he even screams it out, I need him to live. palpatine fully convinced him that the only way to save padme was through some trick that only palpatine knew.
I don't laugh at it because though the main point of the theory ended up being wrong, there is still a lot of valid information that explains many of Luke's actions in Abram's sequel trilogy. =]
Yeah, someone who recently saw the original trilogy for the first time pretty much said to me that Luke seemed to lean to the dark side. And she asked me if Luke would eventually turn. ^^ To be honest it makes more sense than what Luke does in the new canon.
Ian McClain Well I mean, the Jar Jar theory is just so unexpected, this kinda is given how George (or someone, forget who) wanted episode 6 to end with Luke becoming a Sith.
On one hand, I can't think of old Luke as anything other than what he is in the extended universe On the other hand, Mark Hamill *kills* it as a villain
if i may be real for a moment i would take dark side training because its mor badass than the light side but after completeing my training i would indiscriminantly kill light and dark to create my own order and cleanse both sides bc i havent seen a single morrally decent jedi
Arch magician oliver yoda, obi wan, qui gun, ahsoka, and that weird named Jedi swordsmaster who was the guardian of the Jedi libary( the secret one I mean.) Plo koon, Ayala secura, shaak ti. Do I need to say more. Also finally remembered the other guy cin'dralic. Or at something close to that.
But they did kinda build up the moment as a "yesss we finally found the hero" moment... Wouldnt it be awesome if after that dramatic build up he actually turned out to be evil xD Movie: "Here is your long sought after hero!" Audience: "YAAAYYYY!" Movie: "Psych! xP >_< >=D"
+Reid F I really like the 2003 clone wars series because at the part were shak ti and kadi mind I are about to die to general grevieas by the way I love his voice
*slightly better stories. His ability to come up with the plot is excellent. His choice of words used to tell the story could use a bit of work. For reference, pause the video and read the dialogue left in the scrolling teleprompter.
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You know the sad part is that we may not even find this out for sure in the first movie, they may keep it for a secret twist to keep people thinking even until the 2nd or 3rd movie. I can see it now: "Don't you want to know what happened to Skywalker?" "they told me enough, they told me you killed him!" "No. I am Skywalker." "That's impossible!" "Search your feelings you know it to be true!" "NOOOOOO"
***** Well, rebuilding the Jedi order is what he did in the EU books, he started a Jedi Academy on Yavin IV and the books were about the student's adventures and them growing to be full Jedi. Was a pretty good series.
uuh yeah and your point is ?, Luke could still be in the dark side just not with Ren, why would he be with Ren Luke is obviously more powerful with the time given.
+razielimm the film does go at lengths to out right state and imply that like is not on the dark side... and his face looking that way doesnt imply that hes mad/upset/or sad to see rey its more of a world weary and just plain tired look to me as if hes not ready to get out there and train someone yet... and as i said earlier the movie goes to lengths to say he is a jedi not a sith so im in the "hes light side camp" til im proven otherwise in either of the next two movies
SPOILERS Yeah this movie was great and all but I feel like the battle scenes weren't as great because throughout all of them, someone was making a joke and it took away from the original battles, where it was really serious and epic
Lukaszplgrom Usually the republic has tended to populate a small number of "core" planets with there main government/population. Its likely the three planets destroyed were the bulk of the republic.
Faux King Sure they made a huge blow to the republic but I refuse to believe that entire republic was wiped out. They better make the survivors from the other Republic system join the Resistance so that Resistance have more than few troops and X wings and we actually see some ground vehicles as well as Republic ships.
Well he is quite wrong i wonder if he watched the other movies or just resurch but he fled the scence cause he failed the order but not by betraying it but accidently had someone betray it
+Mythyxx grammar...this is youtube lol. only idiots care about grammar. still i understood everything and so did you as you corrected him. please mr. teacher stfu^^
Well, I think Luke is more like Qui-Gon, a grey jedi, which don't have one real side, moe like a balance of both, since being a jedi is like being a stone, so a grey jedi has feelings, but is not compleately evil.
+ElZamo92 I completely agree. It's called "the great jedi", an idea from KOTR. A balance of both the light and the dark. Luke wanted to create a new order, perhaps he has learned both sides can be used for good.
+Russell Paul the original jedaii order stressed balance between the light and dark sides of the force. If a jedaii were to fall into to much dark or light they would be sent offworld alone to meditate until they achieved balance again
+Lorentz Khan then there was a split in the order between those who thought the order should only use light or only used dark which formed the sith and jedi
+ElZamo92 cool, then on episode VIII Luke becomes a white wizard like Gandalf, and start kicking asses and taking names with the First Order. Sweet as.
Marcelo Carneiro no a white saber is when you pure or HEAL a bleeding crystal. meaning that you are strong in the force but not enough to be a Grey jedi.
+Angelo Sales Well. This last year his "theories" are based on controversies of the same logic as "Bread is actually made of WATER". They are oftentimes useless or plain stupid. They are just stories he makes up.
Luke going darkside would be cheap. Dark Empire handled it beautifully and anyone that wants an "evil Luke" what if scenario should check it out. But for a movie? Luke's character arc, his triumph, came from succeeding where his father failed and conquering the temptation of the darkside. By not only saving himself from it's grasp, but also in bringing back his father, something never done with other Jedi. When a Jedi goes Sith, they tend to STAY Sith. ESPECIALLY if we are talking movies only. Luke was victorious in not only proving that people can come back from the darkside, but he did it WHILE killing 2 birds with one stone in standing up to and rejecting the Emperor. What does the darkside have to offer Luke? He proved it wrong. He had his struggles with the darkside yes, but that is what made his plight so interesting. Having Luke turn to the darkside would be not only contrived, but also a HUGE cop out because it throws away his accomplishments for no reason. He even proved Yoda and Obi-Wan wrong in Jedi by bringing his father back. Even in Dark Empire (SPOILERS) He doesn't stay evil or even completely turn. The WHOLE WORLD including FT are now EXPECTING Luke to be evil. What kind of twist is that? It would ruin Luke's character that built up across 3 whole movies and now people are expecting it to happen. If they do honestly do this, and I don't think they will, I hope it is at least done in a way that I won't see coming or in a way that has very solid reasoning.
+PANICBLADE Exactly my point of view... The whole 6th episodes ending would be kind of pointless if Luke discovers that neither the whole jedi doctrine nor the passionate wrath of the sith are the right way and that there is a middle way and then in the 7th movie he still falls to the dark side.
PandaMonium2412 That's what I'm hoping for. Make him a Sith, that's fine, but making him the main villain is so obvious and transparent that I just don't want it happening.
Would be fun, admit it. Though combinig what can be seen of Luke with the input of this Theory episode, probably Luke's rather going to have a dark past (whatever happened between Return and Awakens and if we are truely to ignore everything from EU) he now regrets and ends as a tragic, yet redeemed hero. Just a swift guess. Hope I am wrong.
Take a chill pill everyone! I get it, he was wrong, but that's why it was a theory since it wasn't confirmed as the answer. He never said that he was 100% sure Luke was with the dark side, he was just trying to predict how Episode VII could've shocked us all.
With the release of the new star wars trailer I think this theory still has some plausibility. The end of the jedi right? So is Luke saying that he has been into the dark side or just admitting that a balance is needed instead of the just favoring one side. Random thought...
It is plausible that Luke fell to the dark side only to return to the light. There are canonical instances of Jedi turning to the dark side, and then returning to the light, such as in the new canon book, Dark Disciple. I don't think however that "Balance" can be achieved by the destruction of the Jedi. The Jedi, who wield the "Light Side" of the force are the balance to the Sith (and others) who use the "Dark Side".
I think he's gonna be a Grey Jedi, like everyone will be lead to think he's turned to the Dark Side when, SURPRISE!! He's found the 3rd alternative nobody was expecting, he's found true balance by not siding with either
*Nooooooo!!*. He had a good arc in the original trilogy, bringing him back would just make him more of a known character, the same mistake the prequels made
Honestly, I think he would go to the Dark Side, but not for evil. As a Kingdom Hearts/Final Fantasy fan, they've delved into the "use dark powers for good" and "too much darkness can be as harmful as too much light" thing before, so an even more interesting development for Luke is using his anger for good, unleashing the dark powers to stop the empire. Will that happen? Probably not, since it appears Kylo Ren is an ally to the new empire, but Luke has worked in mysterious was before.
+Ruler3995 That was actually done by one of his grandchildren. I can't remember the name but there was a trick he did with the force that used the dark side of the force. His trick involved 'fixing' people in a healing sort of way. As it tampers with life, it uses the dark force as a conduit to actually pull it off. The jedi and sith have always been (in my eyes) the best and worst examples of the good versus bad. Being a Jedi means to emotionally cut youself off from the world to be a pseudo robot that care for life. Sith are full of emotion but for some reason they always go around trying to get more power.
Mariusweeddeath Is that the Expanded Universe? I must confess I haven't read any of it yet, but Shadows of the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy are on my Christmas list.
I feel like Old Luke could be a Gray Jedi in the sequel trilogy. Just look at his choice of clothes throughout the series. In ANH he wears white to symbolize his innocent demeanor and light side warrior, in TESB he wears gray as he struggles with the Jedi code, in RoTJ he wears all black to symbolize his near-turn to the dark side. Only when he turns Vader back to good does a flap on his shirt get undone to show it was white on the inside all along. Now in TFA he wears a dark gray robe with dirty off-white tunic. As if he's straddling the line between light and dark now that his new Jedi order is in tatters and everything that he thought once he'd destroyed is coming back stronger than ever.
I don't actually want to bring this in, but Ahsoka is one of the middleground force users and still canon. Not a Jedi, but not a Sith either. Sorry for not being a huge fan and not sure what you mean with gray Jedi. A Jedi who still studies the Sith ways?
+Darth Serpace well your wish has apparently been granted as if Disney couldn't screw things up any worse it does appear that Luke is Evil their going by the books
0:05 this is what it said: "It is an exiting time for film geeks. A new Star Wars is coming to theaters. Life once again has meaning as "The force awakens" nears its release Boy do I sure love me a good Star War. Imma Star War-ing fool.OH hey, do you guys want some , like, Reese's Mini's? How much smaller are they gonna make those things, anyway? There's like 80 different sizes of them peanut butter cups. OH CR*P, right, star TOURS. is this new one gonna have Yoda? No? Is Yoda dead? Right, he dead. But dude didn't ever the cool Jedi death like other people. He just kinda wussed out and keeled over in a dirty swamp. Yo Yoda das one weak death game you got going on there. Step up yo' game, brah! Whatever, the voice actor's still getting work on the Muppets show, so it's all good. Oh cr*p dude for this episode we had to watch all the freaking prequels again in order to make this episode. DEAR LORD Jar Jar! The worst... THE WORST!! Like, GEEZ, dude. Also, NO he is NOT a Sith lord. STOP IT! Stop with your silly theorizing! That is OUR job! And if anyones a Sith Lord, it's Luke! OOOOOOOHHH #SPOILERS!!" Edit: and one more short paragraph oops
+3D3LTAGaming There actually is a group like that in the Star Wars universe called the "Grays" and they're centered around the balance of the force, the balance of light and dark.
A true jedi, finds a perfect balance between the light and dark, between good and evil. Luke managed to find that balance between light and dark in Return of the Jedi. And for that reason, I don't think Luke is evil, and I don't think he'll be evil in The Force Awakens.
@@night-seeker666 I think so, him turning the most evil person in the galaxy good again, then suddenly losing hope for everyone makes no sense. But him taking the same path as anakin is interesting.
her parents wern't taken, they just left and are never comming back BTW HANS SON = REMAKE OF DARTH VADAR (falls into lava sounds familar?) btw he probably got picked up by a drop ship -,-
honestly I think kylo and Rey are Hans daughter and son. we already know kylo for sure. Han had him train with Luke but Luke had two desciples and they both ran off. ray is Hans daughter but I think Han doesn't known maybe she was stolen when Hans ship was also stolen. that would explain the father and mother figure Han and Leia present on her.
+AtomicBananaPress if there are more jedi than sith then the jedi must die... if there are more sith than jedi then the sith must die... thats the balance
Friendshipismagic Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. The videos make some good points, and I think MatPat's humor would make a hell of a video on this theory.
If luke becomes a sith, obiwan is very bad at training jedi.
Good Jedi. Terrible training Jedi
+REINER ZUFALL Dont forget, Yoda trained him to.
+REINER ZUFALL As was Qui-gon. Qui-gon had an apprentice before Obi-wan that was drawn and eventually turned to the dark side by his master Count Dooku. (allbeit it isn't cannon anymore) gr
+REINER ZUFALL no not techniclly he started his training to late and he started his path to the dark side when imperials burned and killed everyone in his home on tatooine
+REINER ZUFALL well, they did their best in trying to derail their destinies, but in the end, even they couldn't stop what was already a foregone conclusion. so to be fair, i think it was more about the pupil becoming what they become no matter what moreso than them being bad at training jedi.
"How often do we see Yoda wrong?" Throughout the entirety Clone Wars and Episodes 1-3. His rigid mindset is his greatest flaw. His idea of the Jedi being an emotionless cult directly led to the rise of Darth Vader
Also splitting up the twins was unnecessary and "no one can come back from the dark side"
Yoda is pretty much always wrong lol
He was also wrong in this case
In the original trilogy he wanted Luke not to go help his friends and didn't want him to know that Vader was his father so he wouldn't get connected
He believed connection to people was bad and led to the Dark Side always and got proven wrong by Luke who didn't turn and in fact turned Vader back to the light by his connection
Yeah maybe mat should have paid more attention
Mat pat in 2015: plapltine was cloned crazy right?
Me in 2020: you have no idea
Well he was
plapltine :)
I changed my name everyone my name is plapltine now
@@deruma7524 yes.
"SOMEHOW"
MattPat: How often do we see Yoda wrong in this franchise?
Me: Quite often, actually...
I mean, he was very wrong and actually wants to see the Jedi die out matpat. I’m just saying, he says “It’s time.”
Every time he tries to form a sentence.
For the entirity of the PT
@@haroldb1856😂
Imagine this:
Kylo Ren is defeated in battle, and is forced to remove his helmet. The camera moves behind him, his hands reach up, and he slowly pulls it off his head. "Meesa sorry." He cries, before he collapses.
It was Jar-Jar the whole time.
Lol but that's an actual theory that's kinda convincing if you look at the clues
You made my day! Thanks.
+Justin o'connor nie , bo nie bd w TV
I think if that actually happened, I would stay home, because people would riot and burn their theaters and cities to the ground that night lol
+MaroonThief That would be a huge disappointment...
The Vader defending the Emperor scene always left me feeling a bit odd.
After only 34 years I've finally figured out why, he may not have been protecting the Emperors life but rather was protecting his son from falling to the dark side.
I love this!!!
I think so too, i also think Anakin initially never wanted to turn to the dark side, but he got baited by "nightmares/visions" of his dying lover (forgot her name, lol) and the promise of palpatine of learning how to cure/prevent/cheat death. Since he already did all those atricious things, killing the jedi order's new generation etc, there was no turning back, but i think he did regret everything (ironically a very strong negative emotion), leading up to him protecting his son from making the same mistake(s) as he did.
Holy shit I never even put that kind of thought it into that one decision but u just changed my perception of that entire final battle
Wait till you learn who Vaders father was, and in turn the grandfather of Luke, if you don't know already?
Holy fuck your right
"It's like poetry... It rhymes"
Anakin- "You underestimate my power."
Luke- "I warn you not to underestimate my power."
Also, Anakin was turning to the dark side while saying this, and according to the video, so was Luke when he threatened and lied to Jabba.
+Tom A Illuminati Confirmed...
+Tom A There's no balance. Balance in Star Wars is a myth. It's just Lucas needing an excuse to tell the same story twice.
@@jimslav6973 No... that's not it. He wants characters to mirror each other. It is actually a writing technique. He stories are nothing like each other, if you ignore the sequels.
Anakin: don't underestimate my power
Luke: don't underestimate my power
For the memes kylo ren: underestimate my power
Jabba: It's over, Jedi: I have the high ground.
like father like son
Copied.
Even though this did not happen, one line I noticed...
Luke talking to jabba: I warn you, *do* *not* *underestimate* *my* *power*.
End of Battle of Episode ][ ][ ][:
Obiwan: It's over anakin! I have the high ground!
Anakin: *Do* *Not* *underestimate* *my* *Power*!
See the resemblance?
VideoGame Madness//VGM O SHIT
VideoGame Madness//VGM it seems to me you have the lava ground
VideoGame Madness//VGM
Now Star Wars VIII will have that happen with Luke
VideoGame Madness//VGM those are vastly different scenarios Luke is trying to rescue his friends from a corrupt crime lord and anakin is trying to kill his best friend they are mirror opposites which might be poetic in some way but who knows
Dop3 Mystical the situations actually aren't too different.
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This seems too obvious
WHAT IF THIS IS WHAT JJ WANTS US TO THINK?
HE WANTS US TO THINK THIS IS THE TWIST SO THAT HE CAN TWIST US LIKE A PRETZEL DURING THE FILM
THAT GENIUS BASTARD
+sparkie1j thats what he thinks we might think.
Luke's story in this is kept in a "mystery box", that's what JJ wants, and that's all. This specific theory that Luke turned to the Dark Side, I have no doubt JJ and company LOVE and want and enjoy this Internet speculation. But it is "just a theory, an (Internet) Film Theory and too bad ass and controversial for the rather conventional Disney Company and JJ (overrated) Abrams.
+Jackson “ZombieNub” Huffstutler That's what he wants us to think to think about thinking.
Jackson Huffstutler but what if he wants you to think that we might think that we might think that thats the twist?
sparkie1j Think about it.
MatPat: *Predicts Abrams' plans.*
JJ Abrams: *Changes movie and only gives Luke one scene without lines.*
If Star Wars 7 sucks, J.J Abrams shall be renamed to Jar Jar Abrams.
ahhhh good one
Hilarious and original
+Bitzu *clap clap clap*
gotta admit.... I hope that's original because that's fucking hilarious
Derpsider I've heard it a billion times on IGN forums :/ still funny though xD
Oisin MC awww... thought he was original. nvm. that's the internet for ya
Both Film Theory AND CinemaSins put out a Star Wars video today? HYPE!
Ikr
+AciDic BliTzz This can't be accidental. Let's make a theory and then count the sins in it !
+AciDic BliTzz They're riding the hype train for all the people searching for Star Wars info who may not already be subscribed. They've done the same thing with most of the last several major movie releases. It's a barnacle tactic.
+Juxtavarious barnacle tactic? I have no idea hat that means but I like it
Kyuuu ~ But that's just a Theory... A TH-cam THEORY. Ding!
It's like poetry... It rhymes.
Jar Jar is the key to all this.
+Sam Cooper What's wrong with your face?
FUCK JAR JAR!
+Prince Thunderflare You know, he pretty much caused the Empire bto rise to power by being the deciding vote to put Palpatine in power. :/
Tael the Mask Salesman So did Padme. A lot of people gave him power because they were stupid.
JAR JAR JAR JAR JAR IS THE BEST SIIITHH LORRRD EVER!
those were the good times, when we thought the sequel trilogy could be good
Yea and then we unfortunately had to see what happened 😔
It wasn’t that bad I loved it
Not me, I knew immediately it would be awful, but "failure is the greatest teacher" is a great video made from clips of all 9 movies. Pretty amazing. Would have been cooler had this theory been right. He would have made a better writer than who they got
what sequels? There's only 6 movies
@@Dominator_0211 u mean u don't even know the prequels exist?
Luke had more lines in the trailers than the movies... XD
That is so true!
yeah
+NinjaChicken Star Wars 8 confirmed..? Meh...I doubt it. They're too old for this shit.
+xxKriscbxx Did you see the movie? If so you would know there is gonna be an episode 8.
+cokeymoster Yes! it will be a trilogy
Who else is watching this 2016 and facepalming
Dude, we don't know if he is wrong. Especially because all of the build up on the last scene, it could still happen. Nothing to facepalm about.
+Spiked Blueshell We do know its wrong, well we know that he's not kylo ren, that's han/leia's son. We also know he doesn't turn evil in this particular movie.
When I watched the film, I was disappointed with what they did with Luke in it. They did almost nothing.
+Spiked Blueshell the only one who should be face palming is you, we already know who Kylo Ren is and it's pretty obvious he's not evil. Everyone knows that he's going to train Ren to become a Jedi knight.
Me
Lol then in the actual movie luke skywalker gets 20 seconds of screen time and has no speaking parts.
+matthew fegan Legend has it that J.J handed Mark Hamill the script, and after looking at it Mark said "Can I have a word please?"
+Soviet Creeper Abrams: No, no you can't
+Little Miss Eevee !!!! Yea hahaha
+matthew fegan LUKE HAS ERASE REY MEORY SO DONT REMBER HE HAS DAUGTER
actually he was only paid around 300k for what was most likely an hour or twos work
"When has Yoda ever been wrong"
Literally every movie he was in but ok
My thoughts exactly. He was a hypocrite in the Prequels, preaching peach but practicing war. This is why the Jedi Order fell, and this is why Luke is so disillusioned in The Last Jedi. The Legacy of the old Jedi Order was failure.
*"You love Padme and saw visions of her dying? Well just love her less lmao"*
Honestly though
Most Jedi that isn't Obi Wan amd Qui Gon was kind of a hypocrite
@Nana Akwesi Atta Mensah I agree
@@WatchVidsMakeLists lol peach & war
Just makes me want to say...
BOY WERE THEY WRONG!!!
The odd1sout!
Theodd1sout reference
u
Kcaj 5k4ret
'___' thats funny, odds1out
this is so painful to watch after seeing the movie
that twist thing you were talking about matpat, ya he did that to even you. good job.
I know right? I was watching this and this is just what jj abrams wants you to think.
+William Washburn
I think if Luke had turned to the Dark Side, he wouldn't have spent the last 10+ years hiding from everyone; including The First Order. I personally think Luke doesn't believe himself worthy of being called a Jedi Master after Ben turned to the Dark Side, and thinks it's too dangerous to allow himself to train and possibly fail other students. So in shame and disgust he goes into exile.
+Scuffy P Maybe he did at one time... but we still don't know about now.
I know right? Rip Han
“ Seem like a stretch? ( laughs) it’s not!
It is DEFINITELY a stretch
"I warn you not to underestimate my power"
Where have I heard that before...
Don’t try it
Mark Hamill plays Luke! So obviously he turned to the dark side and became the infamous Darth Joker!
lol
Look at the Comment above
+Gamer Cat yes look at my comment above !
no its darth trickster
+Pyrofusion15 lol so true XD
I saw the movie last night. He isn't evil.
Same but just like a hour ago
+Gumpy Dragon i just watched it an hour ago too. i dont have a weapon!!!
He's the trailer he's the trailer too
+Foxy Studios in
+Foxy Studios he wasnt in the trailer
best part of the movie the 4 seconds of luke ":|"
+Eros arthur true
They actually had Luke's actor stay for the entire time so no one would know how long he would be in the movie.
Like SRSLY!!!!
+hOI On the plus side he probably got payed for all that time and could just sit and practice lines for his voice acting work.
+Eros arthur It was no doubt best part of the movie
Who watching in 2020 and has seen episode 9 and is laughing there heads off at this theory.
PS: still a good theory MatPat
STFU
palpatine cloning himself lol
more importantly: whos watching and still waiting for that reeses mini matpat offered us at the start?
yep
Ne
Another thing to add: Luke said "Be careful not to underestimate my power." In Revenge of the Sith, Anakin says "You underestimate my power."
Legomansam52 he really didn't have the high ground tho
Legomansam52 .....
Be careful not to underestimate my power= don’t forget to underestimate my power
Salinhuu ;3 LOLOLOLOL
I noticed that too!
Matpat,I am FROM THE FUTURE and Luke is in only like in 5 seconds of the movie.
i am from the future too! its actually 6 seconds
gameranx143 6.2!
OMG Bananas
6.2.1
uhm unlimited gamer 6.2.1 isn't an actual number
What happened
no jar jar is evil hes the sith lord
+ch0c0 m0nkey jar jar is pretty bad stuff, but not in an evil way
+Eduardo U. You haven't been listening. I'm not gonna spoil it for you just do a search
Alexander Howarth
i did, not that good of a theory actually.
Alexander Howarth
i mean it's interesting but not as good as that luke is the evil mastermind
producers confirmed that jar jar isn't going to be in star wars
Boy this theories are way better after all the movies came out. Pure gold
I'm sad now realizing what could have been😔
Cody Roessler me to😢
Why would you want Luke to turn evil?! It makes sense character arc wise, but ruins a perfectly good hero. The ending that we got is the one that he and everyone deserved.
Bema Osei-Kwabena I wanted Luke to go to the dark side
Bema Osei-Kwabena the films ruined his character anyway might as well have done it in a cooler way, mark hamil said himself he thought they made every wrong choice when making his story arc .
@@sauldogeman2816 Because at this point he WASN'T a hero. The movie would've been tremendously better if he had become a Sith. The only way it would've worked as him as a hero is if they had followed the events of the Yuuz'an Vong war. I'm sorry, but the Empire coming back stronger than after the Battle of Endor is utter nonsense.
There is no Dark Side, nor a Light Side
There is Only the Force
I will do what I must to keep the balance
The balance is what keeps me together
There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish
There is passion, Yet peace
Serenity, Yet emotion
Chaos, Yet order
I am the wielder of the flame, the protector of balance
I am the holder of the torch, lighting the way
I am the keeper of the flame, soldier of balance
I am a guardian of balance
I am a Gray Jedi
+Batman's Best Friend that wasn't a poem written by him, that is literaly the official creed of the so called "grey jedis"
+Batman's Best Friend It's from the EU.
I'll tip my hat to that.
+TF Daltonator I won't but I'll still respect him
+Revan460 That was so deep I swam up with all my strength but drowned without reaching the surface.
IDK, the fact that this idea has already been planted seems reason enough for Jar Jar Abrams to not include it.
No, Luke is just a Grey Jedi, like Qui-Gonn Jinn and Mace Windu. The Grey Jedi have a code as well.
"There is no Dark Side, nor a Light Side
There is Only the Force
I will do what I must to keep the balance
The balance is what keeps me together
There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish
There is passion, Yet peace
Serenity, Yet emotion
Chaos, Yet order
I am the wielder of the flame, the protector of balance
I am the holder of the torch, lighting the way
I am the keeper of the flame, soldier of balance
I am a guardian of balance
I am a Gray Jedi."
Hmm. Balance to the force? Why does that sound familiar? Something something prequels, something something Anakin Sykwalker, something something destiny.
Qui-Gonn used Anakin as the tool of bringing true balance to the force, but Palpatine corrupted Anakin too much. He manipulated his fear of losing his family so much that even Mace Windu, a Grey Jedi, couldn't stop him. Mace Windu is the reason why Grievous was a chunk of spare parts BTW, that's not what his species looks like. He's basically the Kaleesh equivalent to Darth Vader.
Nope, I think that the big bad Sith Lord is Mara Jade Skywalker. And Luke is so torn at the thought of killing his wife he allows the Empire to flourish again because of it. Just like his father did in the prequels.
+Remlap1223 See, this is something I can get behind without the silly, stupid absolutism of the Jedi and without the, ah... hm... how do I phrase this? Without the inevitability of George Lucas's Sith always being super evil. I feel like this could work very well.
Luke indeed fits as a gray jedi. So does Starkiller, and he DIED.
no such thing, not cannon, but even before retcon
+sawyer7as the grey jedi were introduced in the knights of the old republic. Revan, in the game, is possibly one of, if not the strongest jedi to ever live. Being a jedi and falling to the darkside during the mandalorian wars he emerged, different. Feeling the views of both the light and dark were 2 sides of the same coin he projected both. Knowing that the evil of the sith shouldn't rule, but the galaxy needed the evil, to keep balance. There can be no good with out evil. No peace without war. The grey jedi strive to keep this balance. But as you say, i don't think it is cannon, but it could be.
Windu was not a gray jedi just because he used bits of the dark side, he used them for good and betterment of his skills and understanding.. And kept it in control...
"If the secret got out they would lose a ton of money."
Yeah because if we all knew what the sequel trilogy would've been like, we wouldn't have wasted money on tickets...
MatPat did you hear the theory on Jar Jar Binks being a sith force user?
+Charles Miller He did, if you slow down the fast-forwarded intro text, part of it says "Also, NO he is NOT a Sith Lord! Stop it with your silly theorizing! That is our job!"
+Charles Miller I believe in Darth Jar Jar
I like Jar Jar! He's kinda annoying, but he's funny! Right? Why does everyone dislike him so much?
+Lawrence Calablaster ^
+Lawrence Calablaster Finally someone else who agrees....
I'm not sure this is right. A big point for you is that Luke seems to be going the same route Anakin did, the dark side is starting to take control of him. But what is it's not? Remember, Anakin didn't just join the sith from being angry and feeling emotion in general but also because he was taught that it's wrong, almost like something to be ashamed of, that he *must* follow the jedi code but at the same time he sees that same code broken by jedi masters, just look at master Windu he tried to arrest Palpatine based on superficial evidence and then tried to make Anakin kill him. Anakin knew this was wrong, he knew that Palpatine should have been given a fair trial and this was more or less ruining what he saw the jedi as being. The great jedi master Mace Windu was breaking the jedi code and this is why at the end of the movie Anakin says that from his point of view the jedi are evil, they were hypocrites and breaking their only rules while also enforcing them on Anakin.
Now look at Luke, he never knew about the jedi code, he was more or less told he shouldn't get angry and stuff(and also wasn't restricted from other things such as love) but not to the degree Anakin was and unlike Anakin, Luke never had the masters he looked up to break the code so he wholly saw the jedi as the good guys. Then we get to the end where Luke uses his anger to defeat Vader in battle and Palpatine seems to think that this means Luke has given himself up to the dark side but he didn't, to Luke he kind of couldn't see how something that simple would completely change someone and make them an evil person, he wasn't corrupted by the power but also didn't see any reason to avoid it like the jedi code tells you to. He was at a middle ground, not truly a jedi as he breaks the code but does not allow himself to be corrupted by the power. If Luke were in similar situations to Anakin in which he saw first hand that the jedi themselves were becoming corrupt perhaps he too would have started to favour the dark side and see them as right as they don't restrict emotion as the jedi do. But Luke never had that huge burden of trying to suppress his emotions, he never saw corruption of the jedi, at the end of the day Luke not properly being trained as a jedi is what saved him, unlike Anakin he has no reason to join the dark side because he has no reason to oppose the jedi, he sees the sith as evil while for Anakin, being close to the jedi and seeing what the jedi order was becoming, it wasn't quite so night and day. So really I don't see Luke being a sith lord at all because why would he? What reason does Luke have to join the sith when he sees them as evil and the jedi as good?
+QuakeGamer632 you make a lot of very good points. But the question still stands: why would ol' J.J. try to hide him from us?
SunsetBear Because Luke is the hide and seek champion of the Star Wars universe.
SunsetBear I mean the universe, it's just set in a galaxy far, far away.
+QuakeGamer632 "bring balance to the force" - balance is the key phrase introduced in the prequel trilogies. The logical play out is that there should one type of force user - balancing the ying and yang that the dichotomy of the light/dark structure presents. Luke's absence is less a question about whether he is light or dark, rather it is has he maintained control over his emotions so as not to be ruled by them. Your point about the jedi order is spot on, there are hints of this internal struggle for the jedi in the prequels. I think Luke's absence is more a promotional element then one of real substance to the movies. Though you need to ask why does each trilogy start on a desert world and the finding of a force hero? If we take the cyclical nature into consideration then perhaps Luke's absence is more akin to Yoda - he failed to do something and therefore hid from his failure - his nephew being a sith is the probable failure.
no. he didnt say to spare palpatine because of the jedi code. he even screams it out, I need him to live. palpatine fully convinced him that the only way to save padme was through some trick that only palpatine knew.
We laugh at this now, but many people believed this.
I don't laugh at it because though the main point of the theory ended up being wrong, there is still a lot of valid information that explains many of Luke's actions in Abram's sequel trilogy. =]
Yeah, someone who recently saw the original trilogy for the first time pretty much said to me that Luke seemed to lean to the dark side. And she asked me if Luke would eventually turn. ^^ To be honest it makes more sense than what Luke does in the new canon.
It would have been way more interesting, and even the original script for rotj was about Luke becoming the new Vader
I know I didn't
It was a pretty good theory
Best plot twist ever is
LUKE BEING KYLO REN
It's impossible.
LOL
that would have made things.......akward
This ain't got shit on the Darth Jar Jar theory
Jar jar isn't the new emperor he is fucking shit
Ian McClain Well I mean, the Jar Jar theory is just so unexpected, this kinda is given how George (or someone, forget who) wanted episode 6 to end with Luke becoming a Sith.
right
+Ian McClain www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user
Both of the theories are so fucking flawed.
SPOILERS:
Darth Vader is Luke's father
+GetJukedM8 😂😂😂😂
+Ryan Hammock THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
I like how you spoil like the 5th movie hahaha!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
+Mark Hagood search your feelings you know it be true
+Ryan Hammock YOU FUCKING RUINED THE MOVIE!!!!!!
On one hand, I can't think of old Luke as anything other than what he is in the extended universe
On the other hand, Mark Hamill *kills* it as a villain
+DarkLordLink I thought you were gonna do a robot hand joke
Luke isn't bad. Reasons:
Luke is commentating during the trailer.
He touches R2-D2.
There is a frame showing Mark Hamil. It's small.
Kylo Rin takes his helmet.
on one arm, i have a hand.
on the other....
ummmm
Luke is doing more voiceovers in the trailers than some might think...
“Emperor Palpatine’s soul was reborn into a clone”
This sounds very familiar
2018 now and now I watch this and say are u sure about that
Parker Panda it's not 2018 yet idiot
2018 was like 5 hours ago
Exatly he posted this a week ago
Ikr
the original ending for episode vi actually sounds a lot like episode viii
Great video once again and great collaborating with you guys!
I like to eat food
+Screen Rant Thanks!
new life0.1 you are
loved your video but...podcast?
I'm so happy u to did a collab Because u guys are great
Just came back from December 18th, the movie is pretty heavy.
Wow
tell us more marty
+Marty McFly Great Scott !
Is it as good as the original movies, and much better than the prequels?
+Marty McFly I KNEW YOU WERE REAL!!! THEY ALL CALLED ME CRAZY... CRAZY FOR NOTHING!!! I WILL MAKE THEM ALL PAY!!!
>Movie comes out: "Skidaddle Skidoodle, your theory is now a noodle!" ;D
Can't blame them. The same happens with FNAF.
What do Star Wars fans call themselves?
"Right." We call ourselves "right."
Only because Arrogant Douche Suckers was already taken by the GOP. Oh snap, a two for one burn!
Saro Lucero
I thought that was *your* name
please stop.
if i may be real for a moment i would take dark side training because its mor badass than the light side but after completeing my training i would indiscriminantly kill light and dark to create my own order and cleanse both sides bc i havent seen a single morrally decent jedi
Arch magician oliver yoda, obi wan, qui gun, ahsoka, and that weird named Jedi swordsmaster who was the guardian of the Jedi libary( the secret one I mean.) Plo koon, Ayala secura, shaak ti. Do I need to say more. Also finally remembered the other guy cin'dralic. Or at something close to that.
Sadly matpat I don't think your theory answers anything since Luke only has like 5 seconds
Of screen time
But they did kinda build up the moment as a "yesss we finally found the hero" moment... Wouldnt it be awesome if after that dramatic build up he actually turned out to be evil xD
Movie: "Here is your long sought after hero!"
Audience: "YAAAYYYY!"
Movie: "Psych! xP >_< >=D"
IDK: although, it's JUST a theory. A FILM THEORY
I want a refund
Emperer clones himself... Emperer is Snoke confirmed
"How many times have we seen Yoda wrong? I can think of two instances:
1. He was wrong about Ashoka Tano's trial
2. Wrong about Emperor Palpatine
+Reid F I really like the 2003 clone wars series because at the part were shak ti and kadi mind I are about to die to general grevieas by the way I love his voice
+Reid F the clone wars is canon
+Tesco Lemon Bleach no the cgi clone wars show is
Wrong about Anakin. Wrong about his own ability to beat palpatine.
It is canon, along with rebels, and Ahsoka is in rebels, and ventress is dead
Man, looking back on how this latest trilogy has played out, I gotta say Matt's theories would have made for way better stories than what we got!
*slightly better stories. His ability to come up with the plot is excellent. His choice of words used to tell the story could use a bit of work. For reference, pause the video and read the dialogue left in the scrolling teleprompter.
When you watch after star wars 8.
When you're about to watch Star Wars 9.
@@advertise3606YT when you are watching Star wars 10
Yunger Lamb yeah...this is big brain time
@@Coms7274 I'm on 12 rn
Yunger Lamb I’m on 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
You know the sad part is that we may not even find this out for sure in the first movie, they may keep it for a secret twist to keep people thinking even until the 2nd or 3rd movie. I can see it now:
"Don't you want to know what happened to Skywalker?"
"they told me enough, they told me you killed him!"
"No. I am Skywalker."
"That's impossible!"
"Search your feelings you know it to be true!"
"NOOOOOO"
+Mr. Person haha, I can totally see that! The reason Hamill isn't in the promos for this movie is that he isn't even in this movie.
+Mr. Person Yup, _IF_ this is true, they will keep it secret, like Palpatine was (to the jedies).
***** Well, rebuilding the Jedi order is what he did in the EU books, he started a Jedi Academy on Yavin IV and the books were about the student's adventures and them growing to be full Jedi. Was a pretty good series.
+Mr. Person Maybe, The Dark figure-like Darth Vader is actually Luke himself trying to mimic his fathers ways!
this theory could still be true, luke only appeared for 5 seconds and he didn't look happy to see Rey.
True true
You know that kylo ren is ben solo he even showed his face
uuh yeah and your point is ?, Luke could still be in the dark side just not with Ren, why would he be with Ren Luke is obviously more powerful with the time given.
+razielimm the film does go at lengths to out right state and imply that like is not on the dark side... and his face looking that way doesnt imply that hes mad/upset/or sad to see rey its more of a world weary and just plain tired look to me as if hes not ready to get out there and train someone yet... and as i said earlier the movie goes to lengths to say he is a jedi not a sith so im in the "hes light side camp" til im proven otherwise in either of the next two movies
but thats mostly characters speculating he's on the light side. I feel like the ending is open to interpretation, but lets just wait and see.
This sounds slightly similar to Luke's character in Last Jedi... sort of
I understand what you mean but it’s not that Luke becomes a Sith. It just means he’s failed at being a Jedi
but that's just a theory, a wrong theory!
AND CUT
It kind becomes a right theory if you watch Star Wars 8
Luke is evil!
Thank goodness that is the case
It would have kinda been a cool idea like MatPat's ideas are always cool and on occasions there cooler than what was actually in the movie.
SPOILERS
I can't be the only one pissed the new republic were completely wiped out in 30 bloody seconds.
SPOILERS
Yeah this movie was great and all but I feel like the battle scenes weren't as great because throughout all of them, someone was making a joke and it took away from the original battles, where it was really serious and epic
+Faux King Surley the New republic has more than 6 planets... Probably New Republic in this system got wiped out but what about the other systems?
Lukaszplgrom Usually the republic has tended to populate a small number of "core" planets with there main government/population. Its likely the three planets destroyed were the bulk of the republic.
Faux King Sure they made a huge blow to the republic but I refuse to believe that entire republic was wiped out. They better make the survivors from the other Republic system join the Resistance so that Resistance have more than few troops and X wings and we actually see some ground vehicles as well as Republic ships.
Lukaszplgrom You're right there are likely surviving outposts ect and ships scattered around.
I’m from the future! I know that what they did with Luke was way worse!
Oh, hey Jaina. How's Lowie?
Agreed
I’m from further in the future! The Mandalorian makes him better!
Your not Cannon! So be quiet! Poor Jedi...
I’m from even further in the future! He hasn’t appeared since the last episode of the Mandalorian!
6:03 WOW!!! Yoda calling someone old, now that's something
Everyone's bitching about how bad and wrong this theory is.
Meanwhile I'm just wishing it actually happened.
Lol
+katmanxrocks444 It still might have....let's be honest.
Me 2
The question is still unanswered, there is no context as to what exactly happened to him, we have to wait till episode 8 next year
Well he is quite wrong i wonder if he watched the other movies or just resurch but he fled the scence cause he failed the order but not by betraying it but accidently had someone betray it
Knock knock
Whose there
Well definitely not Han Solo
HAH! GOT EM
+Derek Hayner Get it? cuz he's dead.
+Daniel Goldberg WOAH WOAH I DAW IT BUT DAYUM NO SPLEARZ
hOI >:D MWAHAHAHA
*Saw it
also good to pint out is that after both luke and anakin state 'don't underestimate my power' they both get owned.
+Blackdeath17 and then Anakin becomes Darth Vader and becomes one of the most powerful sith lords of all time!
But eventually gets beaten by his son
Mythyxx I grammaer all da time.
+Mythyxx grammar...this is youtube lol. only idiots care about grammar. still i understood everything and so did you as you corrected him. please mr. teacher stfu^^
What about the alternate ending where Luke takes of Vader’s helmet and puts it on and says “now I am Vader”
Well... there're always two Sith, so Kylo Ren could be Luke's apprentice.
+Adam “Valus Ta'aurc” Krouk look up Supreme Leader Snoke
+Adam Krouk “Valus Ta'aurc” Yep, I also think that Snoke is actually a Sith.
Luke is not a sith in this I'm telling you people it has to be Jacen if Rey is in this Jacen has to be!
Well, there are always two dark side users.
Snoke seems more like a Grand Moff Tarkin character to me, personally.
Well, I think Luke is more like Qui-Gon, a grey jedi, which don't have one real side, moe like a balance of both, since being a jedi is like being a stone, so a grey jedi has feelings, but is not compleately evil.
+ElZamo92 Word!
+ElZamo92 I completely agree. It's called "the great jedi", an idea from KOTR. A balance of both the light and the dark. Luke wanted to create a new order, perhaps he has learned both sides can be used for good.
+Russell Paul the original jedaii order stressed balance between the light and dark sides of the force. If a jedaii were to fall into to much dark or light they would be sent offworld alone to meditate until they achieved balance again
+Lorentz Khan then there was a split in the order between those who thought the order should only use light or only used dark which formed the sith and jedi
+ElZamo92 cool, then on episode VIII Luke becomes a white wizard like Gandalf, and start kicking asses and taking names with the First Order. Sweet as.
Luke is a grey jedi
He walks in a fine line between the dark and the light
Don't believe me
Just watch the Last Jedi trailer
Daniel Kim its more of a white like the saber
The Gamer no a white saber is when a bleeding crystal is healed making you between being strong in the force and a normal Jedi.
"Every word you just said in that sentence... is wrong"
I agree
Marcelo Carneiro no a white saber is when you pure or HEAL a bleeding crystal. meaning that you are strong in the force but not enough to be a Grey jedi.
Anyone watching in 2019 knows he was so far from the truth😂
he wasn't far from the truth. they changed the plot after this video.
@@adityanambidi5129 not because they saw this video but because they switched JJ with Rian
You're really good at making stories, not theories.
Lol dude this kid got everything wrong
+PetCreeper Are you an idiot or something, it's his theory it it's not always 100% correct. Do you even know what theory means?
Thank You
+Angelo Sales Well. This last year his "theories" are based on controversies of the same logic as "Bread is actually made of WATER". They are oftentimes useless or plain stupid. They are just stories he makes up.
+PetCreeper His Neo isn't the One and Walter White being alive are absolutely horrible theories.
Luke going darkside would be cheap. Dark Empire handled it beautifully and anyone that wants an "evil Luke" what if scenario should check it out. But for a movie? Luke's character arc, his triumph, came from succeeding where his father failed and conquering the temptation of the darkside. By not only saving himself from it's grasp, but also in bringing back his father, something never done with other Jedi. When a Jedi goes Sith, they tend to STAY Sith. ESPECIALLY if we are talking movies only. Luke was victorious in not only proving that people can come back from the darkside, but he did it WHILE killing 2 birds with one stone in standing up to and rejecting the Emperor. What does the darkside have to offer Luke? He proved it wrong. He had his struggles with the darkside yes, but that is what made his plight so interesting. Having Luke turn to the darkside would be not only contrived, but also a HUGE cop out because it throws away his accomplishments for no reason. He even proved Yoda and Obi-Wan wrong in Jedi by bringing his father back. Even in Dark Empire (SPOILERS) He doesn't stay evil or even completely turn. The WHOLE WORLD including FT are now EXPECTING Luke to be evil. What kind of twist is that? It would ruin Luke's character that built up across 3 whole movies and now people are expecting it to happen. If they do honestly do this, and I don't think they will, I hope it is at least done in a way that I won't see coming or in a way that has very solid reasoning.
+PANICBLADE Exactly my point of view... The whole 6th episodes ending would be kind of pointless if Luke discovers that neither the whole jedi doctrine nor the passionate wrath of the sith are the right way and that there is a middle way and then in the 7th movie he still falls to the dark side.
+Bratiboy THANK YOU YES. A Grey Jedi kind of thing would be much better.
Yeah I'm surprised that he didn't do the Darth jar jar theory.
+PANICBLADE Starkiller is like a grey side character. He uses the powers of the dark side for semi good stuff
+PANICBLADE yhae this theory is wrong. both the drath jar jar and darth plegeius theory are way better than this
As long as Luke isn't Kylo Ren I'm fine with this.
+Michael Rizzo Kylo Ren is the only guy who Luke could be, unless theres a new emperor who is in charge of Kylo, which is who Luke could be.
PandaMonium2412 That's what I'm hoping for. Make him a Sith, that's fine, but making him the main villain is so obvious and transparent that I just don't want it happening.
Luke isnt Kylo-ren. Ren has black hair according to the Lego company who had early access to movie footage so their sets could be accurate.
and you can see Kylo's long black hair in the trailer, Luke could be the emperor for sure then
Not to mention Kylo Ren has a separate actor
Man, Star Wars 22: Darth Luke Awakens is my favorite!
There is no ignorance
There is KNAWLEDGEEE
INB4 Luke is tai Lopez
Here in my garage, with my new tie fighter here. But you know what I like more than defeated the Sith? KNOWLEDGE
You know what is better than StarWars
It is knawledge
Oh wait it's not
This meme is stupid and got old fast.
+pot4u But you know what I like more than my X-wing......KNOWLEDGE
I try to watch 1 holocron a day because KNOWLEDGE is powrr
can't wait to hear Luke does Joker's laugh as a dark side
OMG YESSSSS >:D
😂😂😂😂
Perfect
Would be fun, admit it. Though combinig what can be seen of Luke with the input of this Theory episode, probably Luke's rather going to have a dark past (whatever happened between Return and Awakens and if we are truely to ignore everything from EU) he now regrets and ends as a tragic, yet redeemed hero.
Just a swift guess. Hope I am wrong.
Boi,you can watch it on demand.
You forgot one thing Matt.
Jar Jar is a sith overlord
+Yoshikage “Bite Za Dusto” Kira キラークイーン He said it in the beginning and said with the yellow text. NO JAR JAR IS NOT EVIL :). that is what he said.
*****
Bullshit.
Jar Jar will take over the universe. It's a more sound theory than "Luke is evil".
Yoshikage Kira キラークイーン
Okay. I just said what matt was saying or the person writing the yellow text :)
Darth Jar Jar kicks ass!
True.
Me watching this video and it has been for over a minute and realize
Omg its "Friends"
Take a chill pill everyone! I get it, he was wrong, but that's why it was a theory since it wasn't confirmed as the answer. He never said that he was 100% sure Luke was with the dark side, he was just trying to predict how Episode VII could've shocked us all.
I AM CR0W
Dude I'm just saying I only rewatched this to laugh histaricly at the theory I could care less about him being wrong
I AM CR0W in the books he does fall to the dark side so...
I AM CR0W I supported the theory... :,(
+I AM CR0W to be honest my my mum dad grandpa and grandma and my twin uncles one of which is actually in number 8 all thort the same thing
I AM CR0W but, Luke might have joined the dark side, then become a jedi.
With the release of the new star wars trailer I think this theory still has some plausibility. The end of the jedi right? So is Luke saying that he has been into the dark side or just admitting that a balance is needed instead of the just favoring one side. Random thought...
It is plausible that Luke fell to the dark side only to return to the light. There are canonical instances of Jedi turning to the dark side, and then returning to the light, such as in the new canon book, Dark Disciple. I don't think however that "Balance" can be achieved by the destruction of the Jedi. The Jedi, who wield the "Light Side" of the force are the balance to the Sith (and others) who use the "Dark Side".
FryerTad Nah I think Luke just means that they can't rebuild the Order
I think he's gonna be a Grey Jedi, like everyone will be lead to think he's turned to the Dark Side when, SURPRISE!! He's found the 3rd alternative nobody was expecting, he's found true balance by not siding with either
There is no in between
SpongeXtermiat0r94 Then it's not really balanced, is it?
+SpongeXtermiat0r94 the thing is, there is, and its something explored in the expanded univerce.
Its even implied Qui gon was a grey jedi.
+El Escolta the new movie will not follow the expanded universe
+SpongeXtermiat0r94 In the expanded universe there is. Granted that's not canon anymore :(
Man old 2015 game/film theory with the music the voice and the editing have a lot of nostalgia.
I wish darth Vader was still alive
Manju Gurung same
Manju Gurung he is returning in the last jedi... I HOPE. Get it? Because it's called a new HOPE? No? Okay I'll shut up.
He is alive in the force
Or something
*Nooooooo!!*. He had a good arc in the original trilogy, bringing him back would just make him more of a known character, the same mistake the prequels made
I cried for a week
SPOILERS: The new movie has an ending.
*gaaaaasp*
*Crys Internally*
I'm sorry I just had to say it.
Omg, you fucking bitch! I thought movies never ended and lasted until the end of time and eternity! Next think you know, unicorns aren't real!
+Dandy Whale but unicorns aren't real ?
Honestly, I think he would go to the Dark Side, but not for evil. As a Kingdom Hearts/Final Fantasy fan, they've delved into the "use dark powers for good" and "too much darkness can be as harmful as too much light" thing before, so an even more interesting development for Luke is using his anger for good, unleashing the dark powers to stop the empire. Will that happen? Probably not, since it appears Kylo Ren is an ally to the new empire, but Luke has worked in mysterious was before.
+Ruler3995 That was actually done by one of his grandchildren. I can't remember the name but there was a trick he did with the force that used the dark side of the force. His trick involved 'fixing' people in a healing sort of way. As it tampers with life, it uses the dark force as a conduit to actually pull it off.
The jedi and sith have always been (in my eyes) the best and worst examples of the good versus bad. Being a Jedi means to emotionally cut youself off from the world to be a pseudo robot that care for life. Sith are full of emotion but for some reason they always go around trying to get more power.
Mariusweeddeath Is that the Expanded Universe? I must confess I haven't read any of it yet, but Shadows of the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy are on my Christmas list.
Ruler3995 Yeah but I'm pretty sure this guy was in the comics. In truth I only remember seeing it in a comic volume.
+Mariusweeddeath Cade in Legacy comics from old Expanded Universe
+Ruler3995 leave it to a KH fan to give some good input, thx man
Matpat: *talks about complicated math*
Matpats teachers: We’ve taught you well
I feel like Old Luke could be a Gray Jedi in the sequel trilogy. Just look at his choice of clothes throughout the series. In ANH he wears white to symbolize his innocent demeanor and light side warrior, in TESB he wears gray as he struggles with the Jedi code, in RoTJ he wears all black to symbolize his near-turn to the dark side. Only when he turns Vader back to good does a flap on his shirt get undone to show it was white on the inside all along. Now in TFA he wears a dark gray robe with dirty off-white tunic. As if he's straddling the line between light and dark now that his new Jedi order is in tatters and everything that he thought once he'd destroyed is coming back stronger than ever.
Jake Lockley So true. It'd be great to see a Gray Jedi in the movie series!
qui gon jin was a grey jedi
I don't actually want to bring this in, but Ahsoka is one of the middleground force users and still canon. Not a Jedi, but not a Sith either. Sorry for not being a huge fan and not sure what you mean with gray Jedi. A Jedi who still studies the Sith ways?
I want a dark luke so bad. I would sacrifice my soul to Jar Jar Binks for it!
I'm not hating but why?
me to
+Darth Serpace well your wish has apparently been granted as if Disney couldn't screw things up any worse it does appear that Luke is Evil their going by the books
Why would you sell your soul to the most powerful sith for a lesser one
+Darth Serpace They have to make him on the dark side
I can't choose the dark side, the link must be broken....
+Rippertear - Gaming Videos AKA SDL Benjii TGPASOTSISAPROA(THR)STTLOYTYVM same here
IT'S A TRAP!
+Rippertear - Gaming Videos AKA SDL Benjii TGPASOTSISAPROA(THR)STTLOYTYVM No.......IT'S A TRAP!!!!!
Only folks who choose "Dark Side" are fifteen-year-old edgelords.
+Rippertear - Gaming Videos AKA SDL Benjii TGPASOTSISAPROA(THR)STTLOYTYVM
Here too
0:05 this is what it said:
"It is an exiting time for film geeks.
A new Star Wars is coming to theaters.
Life once again has meaning as
"The force awakens" nears its release
Boy do I sure love me a good Star War.
Imma Star War-ing fool.OH hey, do
you guys want some , like, Reese's Mini's?
How much smaller are they gonna make
those things, anyway? There's like 80
different sizes of them peanut butter cups.
OH CR*P, right, star TOURS. is this new
one gonna have Yoda? No? Is Yoda dead?
Right, he dead. But dude didn't ever the cool
Jedi death like other people. He just kinda
wussed out and keeled over in a dirty swamp.
Yo Yoda das one weak death game you
got going on there. Step up yo' game, brah!
Whatever, the voice actor's still getting
work on the Muppets show, so it's all good.
Oh cr*p dude for this episode we had to
watch all the freaking prequels again in order
to make this episode. DEAR LORD Jar Jar!
The worst... THE WORST!!
Like, GEEZ, dude. Also, NO he is NOT a Sith
lord. STOP IT! Stop with your silly theorizing!
That is OUR job! And if anyones a Sith Lord, it's
Luke! OOOOOOOHHH #SPOILERS!!"
Edit: and one more short paragraph oops
I don't see myself as light or dark. I follow the Dim side.
I follow the "Moderatley lit, not too dark, not too bright" side.
And I follow the "Shit they cut my electric bill again" side.
+3D3LTAGaming im more of a grey side
+3D3LTAGaming There actually is a group like that in the Star Wars universe called the "Grays" and they're centered around the balance of the force, the balance of light and dark.
+Henri Romagnoli shut up nerd... jk xD
A true jedi, finds a perfect balance between the light and dark, between good and evil. Luke managed to find that balance between light and dark in Return of the Jedi. And for that reason, I don't think Luke is evil, and I don't think he'll be evil in The Force Awakens.
*cough Revan, *Cough
+Fries Fish I wanted to say that. :)
then we see them sword fighting and shit
agreed
+Taco1011 ... and it might be a failure in the making.. hence destines to follow the prequel...
if you havent seen the movie, I know someone who dies!!!!
a storm trooper lol
+AG Photography NOT THE STORMTROOPER, NOOOOOOOOO!
Traitor!
+AG Photography Come at least put up a spoiler warning.
Han Solo dies 😢
Tech Fanboy
NUUUUUU (I saw the movie anyway.)
That would have been a better story than the one we got in The Last Jedi.
I know someone is gonna woosh me for this, but Luke becoming a power hungry Sith is better than Luke losing hope?
_I accept my fate._
somebody should make a fan film trilogy about that
@@night-seeker666 I think so, him turning the most evil person in the galaxy good again, then suddenly losing hope for everyone makes no sense. But him taking the same path as anakin is interesting.
I assume this was JJ Abrams' original plan before Rian Johnson came along and... yeah
Well, Luke has only like 1 minute of screen time in the force awakens, this theory might be true in the next movie.
SPOILERS!!!!!!! It isn't a true theory :P
i know and its sad how #Blank gets killed by his own #Blank in the huge ass #Blank
+Tommy Toivanen Don't forget that #Blank got fucked up by #Blank who never used a lightsaber before XD
+Tommy Toivanen I know what your talking about and that's just a rumor
The blanks are Han Solo and his son
welp, since that theory was a bust let'sdo another one on something that I'm near certain will happen, that Rey is actually Luke's daughter
But wait... That would mean him and Leia...
Res parents we're taken by stormtroopers
her parents wern't taken, they just left and are never comming back BTW HANS SON = REMAKE OF DARTH VADAR (falls into lava sounds familar?) btw he probably got picked up by a drop ship -,-
honestly I think kylo and Rey are Hans daughter and son. we already know kylo for sure. Han had him train with Luke but Luke had two desciples and they both ran off. ray is Hans daughter but I think Han doesn't known maybe she was stolen when Hans ship was also stolen. that would explain the father and mother figure Han and Leia present on her.
TM Bricks yeah I started to think about it more and the idea of Han and Leia being her parents does make more sense
Dude... I'm convinced, actually... if this doesn't happen i think its a missed opportunity
Luke is I. The trailer with r2d2
+Lagg Bird but what if that's Luke turning into kylo ren and killing r2d2
+Karen Rameaka I don't see that
+mr. .Flaw I don't know though...it seems too predictable.
+mr. .Flaw *CLAPS*
4:56 At this point, the seed for the "Jedi are Evil" two part theory was planted!
What if JJ hired Matpat to set up this elaborate ruse? HE even stated that this has been done before by the SAME actor in the video.
+Blue Wonder Theory about a theory! (and a good one, I'll admit!)
+Blue Wonder but its just a theory... a youtuber theory!
+Blue Wonder GENIUS.
Illuminati comfirmed
Oops, did I say "actor"? I meant Director*.
Sith wins, no question. 17 days people.
+deathskilledreaper Calling it now: every force user dies. Balance indeed.
+AtomicBananaPress if there are more jedi than sith then the jedi must die... if there are more sith than jedi then the sith must die... thats the balance
If everyone's gone that's true balance. No ripples in the pond, so to speak.
it comes out on my birthday 😁
+AtomicBananaPress Well, Anakin was prophezised to bring balance to the force. And at the time, the force was rather dominated by Light-Side users.
+The Film Theorists
Please do the Jar Jar is Darth Plagueis theory. PLEASE!
This theory absolutely deserves your satirical attention.
They mention that in the intro...
+Friendshipismagic no he doesnt
Friendshipismagic
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. The videos make some good points, and I think MatPat's humor would make a hell of a video on this theory.
allan armitage
Near the end of the scrolling text.
MatPat: how often is Yoda wrong?
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