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just the sentence "do you read Sutter Cain" sends chills down my spine.
Ha ha... nice... it's a powerful scene that's for sure... I sometimes look around society today with all the alteration and shaping of reality, all the political and viral scares, all the insanity, and I say out loud to all of the world, "do you read Sutter Kane..." 🧟♂️🧟♀️🤖🧟♂️🧟♀️🤖🧟♂️🧟♀️🤖🧟♂️🧟♀️🤖🧟♂️🧟♀️
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Cane*
Wtf. I must've left that comment in my pocket. Lmfao
I love the entrance to Hobb's end. What do we see happen? The characters are driving down a back road, at night, then suddenly, it's daylight and they're reaching their destination. It's a time skip. The story (and thus, reality) literally jumped forward to the next important point in the story
The “old” kid still having a child’s voice actually works for me. It makes his fate feel like a curse, the child hears his own voice, one he still recognises as his own but the hands, the aches, tiredness...I don’t have to imagine the horror in that.
I’ve been chronically ill since my early teens. I can vividly remember the moment I first looked in a mirror and saw a young person, but what I saw was (still is) at odds with what I felt inside. How could I look so strong, fit, well, but have dropped a pen 10 minutes earlier because I lost the strength to hold it; the school principal broke the rules to hug me and calm me down.
So yeah you’re right it’s a silly goof in an otherwise masterful film, but for me that’s the moment that the horror in the story actually hits me the hardest.
*eldritch bumps of early teen onset of chronic illness
There's also the fact that a lot of viewers back then may not have necessarily been able to put two and two together so they would know the kid on the bike and the old man on the bike are the same person.
I know it sounds stupid but years and years of exposure to social media and the Internet in general has made people a lot more savvy when it comes to being observant and recognizing important details.
Back in 1995, even intelligent and well-educated audiences were prone to inattentiveness (and it's a fairly safe bet that at least half of the population wasn't intelligent or well-educated) so it's no wonder the producers felt they had to really hammer the point home, just in case.
Man, I love Sam Neil. One of my all time favourite actors.
I think maybe Trent only had to deliver the book to reality. so when he dropped it on the ground his mission was complete and reality was infected. everything before was just the fictional world of the novel.
Of same opinion. There was a lot of emphasis on how out-of-this world the experience of getting to Hobbs End was and to get out Trent had to run through that eldritch corridor.
So yeah. Sutter Kane needed somebody to deliver his magnum opus into our world.
I agree but in a different way. I think the takeaway from the end of the movie where Trent watches his entire life replay up until that point is confirmation that Trent was never real to begin with, which means that Kane never really 'needed' Trent. Trent, and indeed the entire universe that this movie takes place in, has been supplanted by Kane's version of the universe, essentially making him God (Kane even confirms this in the church when he says "I'm God now, you understand?").
For that reason, Trent was never really 'needed' in any sense other than he happened to be the guy that Kane thought would be in the best position to be the protagonist of his story. So yes, Kane DID need Trent to "deliver the book" but it wasn't about the physical book itself but rather Trent bringing Kane's story 'back' with him as he fulfills the book's events.
makes no sense@@CopiousDoinksLLC
23:27 - 23:40 Hey, isn't that Viggo from Ghostbusters 2?
Janush: "Oh! Command me, Lord!"
Yep, that’s him and the boy on the bike near the end is Hayden Christensen (adult Anakin Skywalker)
@@Dj.MODÆO Can you imagine if Hayden had been cast as young Anakin before Jake Lloyd? It'd be more fitting with the Jedi's criticism, he would've been able to build chemistry with Natalie Portman early before episode 2, and it would've saved Jake's mental health
I'm so happy to see somebody else praising In the Mouth of Madness.
You wondered why did John need to come back if Sutter could send the manuscript regardless of John's help. The answer to me was that it was necessary for John to deliver the book. But not to the publisher. To bring it literally (in)to the world. Though he believed otherwise, he wasn't running from cosmic abominations at the end. John was one of the cosmic abominations finally able to break out of Sutter's writings and into the real world. The very act of him leaving Hobbes End was what was required. And that is what completed the "spell."
The kid on the bike is Hayden Christensen.
Really!? First Goosebumps, then this film and now Anakin Skywalker!?
@@troin3925 He had to start somewhere.
I always laugh when people think that church is some kind of model or matte painting.
It's actually the "Cathedral of the Transfiguration" in Markham Ontario Canada.
I used to drive by it on my way to work.
M-Arkham!?
Jaestro Just coincidence. It’s not like Canada has cosmic horrors all around.
@@TimeTravelincCanadians are cosmic horrors, do you think any ACTUAL earthy non cosmic horror beings could pretend to be so friendly? :>
And it was built and basically abandoned for over 30 years now
@@ALuimes Actually, it was only closed for (about) ten years and was reopened in 2016 after major renovations took place.
Before the closure, it changed hands a lot.
I got that the voice of the child is that the loop is aging his outer appearance but not his mind, or voice. In other words it is trapping a boy in the body of an old man.
+HailCrimsonKing There they stood, ranged along the hillsides, met
To view the last of me, a living frame
For one more picture! In a sheet of flame
I saw them and I knew them all. And yet
Dauntless the slug-horn to my lips I set,
And blew. ’Childe Roland to the Dark Tower came.’
Considering at that point everything is being controlled by Sutter Cain writing it I don't understand the need to apply logic to it.
Mah boi got it on with a deep one! I'm so proud of you!
it seems that the best lovecraftian films are not based on hpls stories but adapt the themes and atmosphere of the srories. See the thing and alien as further examples.
Indeed. I believe it's because Lovecraft's stories work off an essential principle; a formula that works best when you embrace the gripping horror that stems from the idea of something that defies and undermines the basis of what we consider reality. So in that respect it is always the essence of the stories that works better when adapted than trying to actually translate his written works into a medium they were not originally crafted for.
Cm Mosher Well it probably wouldn't make a good film for the main character to spend the first 25 minutes of the film narrating exclusively about historical architecture lol
It probably helps that Lovecraft did a lot of short stories so films not based off them but using the concept as inspiration are more likely to be well formed complete films
@@georgeclinton4524 I'd watch 25 minutes of historical architecture but then again I'm not normal
Lovecraft is such a visionary author.
I'm disappointed in the massive lack of proper Lovecraftian horror flicks out there, but to be fair, it's difficult to present the "indescribable" and "eldritch" on screen without looking cheesy.
One movie that is frequently overlooked as likely having serious Lovecraftian roots is JC's The Thing. Everything about The Thing screams Lovecraft, from its admittedly indescribable appearance (we never know its true form) to the insanity and paranoia it sows. Also, JC directing In The Mouth of Madness cements my idea that he gets a lot of inspiration from good old H.P.
Also his books are extremely racist and so hard to sell to a modern audience.
@@wiseguy01 I own his master collection, which I love reading every day.
@@graves234 I don't care. has literally nothing to do with my post. probably white and so don't care about his racism.
@@wiseguy01 get the fuck out, you know you can read something without seeing the author in every fucking corner?
And I see you never read any of his works, one because his books still sells like fucking hot bread and second the racism argument comes from who the man was, not what he wrote. And before you say something stupid, I'm fucking mexican and brown as fuck, so you can shove your sanctimonious preachery up your fucking ass.
@@wiseguy01 you do realize lovecraft hated everyone right? He wasn't racist. He was a nihilist.
The metal song at beginning of the film was originally going to be Metallica’s Enter sandman. But the rights fell through at the end. So they ended up using a slight sound alike.
you pointed out some interesting things that i never noticed, which is something i love about this movie. i've seen it probably 20+ times and it's my favorite movie, but there's still lots of things that i haven't yet noticed about it. i particularly liked the line you pointed out about trent saying "this is not reality" as opposed to "this is reality", that's an interesting change from earlier. and the detail in the credits is something i never noticed, probably because i don't usually stick around to watch the credits of movies, but it's certainly a fun detail. one thing i've noticed is that trent/styles's car becomes extremely dusty/dirty once they reach hobb's end. you might not notice it watching it the first time, but it seems to imply more time is passing than we think, and it's obviously confirmed when harglow tells trent the book has been published for months.
i also just have to say that julie carmen's performance, and styles as a character is one of my favorite performances and characters in any horror movie. her delivery of her lines is absolutely wonderful, particularly her monologue about why she loves horror while they're driving to hobb's end.
one thing i think i disagree with you on, is that i don't think that trent is completely convinced that this is "reality" once the man from hobb's end kills himself. even when he keeps coming back to the center of town in the car, he says something like "a few wrong turns, a few bad calls" as if he's still trying to rationalize what's going on. it could even be that he doesn't fully believe it until he makes the decision to plow through the crowd, something i don't think most people would do unless they truly believed that the people they were about to hit were truly monsters.of course even then, when trent wakes up in the confessional he still says there has to be an explanation, so maybe he doesn't truly buy into it until the final scene when he sees himself in the movie.
i think you have a good point that reading something isn't the same as believing it, however (to play devil's advocate for just a minute) kane specifically mentions horror and fear, and i know for me personally, as someone who's very easily creeped out, i may logically know that what i'm reading/watching isn't real of course, but it doesn't stop me from thinking about it before bed and being afraid that, despite knowing it's not real, some scary monster will be standing over me, or be reflected in the mirror behind me when i go to brush my teeth. i think you could argue that has something to do with what he's saying. if i read harry potter, obviously i'm not buying into it, but even though i know it's not true, horror, through fear, can make me buy into it at least a little bit (if it's good).
finally (because i care too much about this movie) i'd say that even when trent kills the guy coming out of the book store, it isn't because trent has descended into madness, in fact it's the opposite. sane and insane have switched places, just like styles said, and in this world it might even be a sane thing to do to try and kill someone who's obviously "infected" by kane's writing.
sorry for the text wall, i just don't often see people talk about this movie, and it's my absolute favorite movie so i always have a lot to say about it haha. thanks for making this video!
Spot on
I agree. Great movie and points made. I like to dissect it everyrime I watch it. A lot of times this and the Ninth Gate with Johnny Depp.
Sam Neill's New Zealand accent is present all the way through this, well except the start. It's like he just gave up trying and American accent. lol
I love Sam Neil but i've noticed he kinda does that in a lot of his movies lol he goes back and forth between accents
Just realized that the guy who commits suicide in the bar is none other than Vigo the Carpathian from Ghostbusters II.
One of the best movies to get the feel of an H.P. Lovecraft story, even if it didn't actually adapt one of his stories. I would love to see an adaption of some of the other really good H.P. Lovecraft stories like At the Mountains of Madness, the Case of Charles Dexter Ward, and a better version of the Dunwich Horror.
Guillermo Del Toro was supposed to do Mountains w/ Tom Cruise, but no one in Hollywood has the balls to finance him doing a Hard R Film version of this.
Honestly to me, In The Mouth Of Madness is the last great horror movie, and I haven't seen anything that came remotely close in the last 24 years.
This is not just my favorite horror movie, or Lovecraft homage piece, but arguably one of my favorite fucking movies, next to Alien, Dead Alive, and Terminator 2.
Thank you so damn much for making others aware of it. I LOVE this movie's ending, how the film Trent watches is the same film YOU, THE VEIWER, witness, thus making you the audience member, the next one to begin the transformation into one of the Cthulian beasts that have taken over the world. That ending brings a type of active audience participation you don't find everywhere. You wrap up the film wondering if you yourself are going to begin "The Change."
"He sees you. He sees you."
Lol Vigo the Carpathian as the father of the stolen son.
I don't know how this didn't get better reviews; It's a fabulous mind-bending, mysterious, and original horror movie.
Just once I'd like to see a creepy horror movie church full of upside down crosses that turns out to just be a church devoted to Saint Peter.
It's the symbol of the pope, for God's (Ha!) sake!
calemr X FILES did it
Also, Sutter Cane seems to have done no research! Why on earth would a small, WASPy New England town have a massive onion-domed, icon-covered, Orthodox Church?
@@dylanchouinard6141 I mean, here's a fun fact, that church right there, is real that church exist it wasn't a painting, so it's possible.
@@dylanchouinard6141 would all depend on who settled the town originally, if they're eastern European or Greek etc. Orthodox church would be very reasonable.
@@ljones121 from most of the names of the townspeople I would assume not
The cop scene is actually a great metaphor. It’s Kane showing their dynamic, Trent as the authority figure coming down on an artist, just drawing on the walls. And then by the end of it, it’s the other way around, with Trent drawing on the walls and Kane as the new authority tormenting him.
And Stiles has a similar introduction to the weird where the boy on the bike is a parallel to her own end. Just a player who can’t escape and can’t stop playing the role they’re given even if they want to.
Ah, but the book cover thing isn't bollocks when you remember that Trent is a fictional character. It was very pat, and cliche, and Hollywood,, miraculously realising the book covers made a map, but that's exactly how Cane was writing him to be. It's definitely something that seems smarter on a second viewing, when you realise Trent was almost never actually alive, because everything he ever was was purely the result of Cane's machinations and design. The book cover thing was so "storybook" because it was part of Cane's story, and not part of the real "reality" which was already crumbling under Cane's Lovecraftian space-god sorcery.
I've read Stephen King's works and I don't think any of them are real .. not on this level of the tower.
baapi makwa King did seem to go to a lot of effort to make the Dark tower song of Susannah and DT7 seem as realistic as possible.
😁😂🤗🤣
It was this movie that got me reading hp lovecraft
Such a great film. Underrated as hell.
I don’t think the kids voice was a mistake at all. Its not only to show the kid and old man were the same but he was playing them. Hence him cycling away smiling as the old man. He was never the kid, just another demon.
Still love coming back to this review
30:32 best Sam Neil scream ever
One of my favorites. I'm so glad I found your review of this.
This is one of my favorite horror movies. Glade it’s your favorite and you have high praise for the movie
Have you watched the directors commentary on 'In The Mouth Of Madness'? It's literally John Carpenter and his cinematographer talking about how the lit each sceen and got the shots and a small amount about the practical effects. Still kind of interesting though.
My personal theory is that the in-universe book is a red herring - Kane keeps saying that Trent needs to read it in order for things to 'be over', but Trent never actually ends up doing that. I don't think Kane ever needed Trent to deliver the book so much as he simply needed Trent to fulfill his role as protagonist of the story because he was manifesting Kane's universe in reality by fulfilling the events in the story.
The fact that the story's protagonist was a cynical, somewhat slimy insurance investigator was a nice touch and gave the movie more of a 40's film noir detective touch setting it apart from the bookish timid researchers of Lovecraft's stories. It's a nice touch that there is a swipe at the Carpenters in a John Carpenter movie.
If one also reads the end credits, one will see a future Darth Vader in there, named Hayden Christensen.
Perfect review for this years Halloween for me. Some beers, a cigarette, and a review of one of(if not) my favorite horror movie of all time.
Just saw this show up on my TH-cam home page. Brilliant review. This movie has been one of my favorites for decades.
I would respectively suggest another horror movie that is not well-known, but quite a charmer. Full of campy '80s schlock, yet the villain/monster is sinister with an enthralling backstory. Interested yet? Plus, my memory of it was triggered by the "fourth wall" flirtation of this movie as well, as the main character is an avid reader haunted by real events eerily similar to what she is reading by an enigmatic author. This movie is I, Madman.
By the way, the creepiest part of the movie for me is when (no spoiler, don't worry) a woman is running to her apartment, pursued by the villain stalking her. As she reaches her front door, she looks down the hallway and sees him staring at her. He holds up a syringe and skulks toward her...
The tension is deliciously unbearable, like a shark fin in the water.
17:27 isnt that the main bad guy from Ghostbusters 2? I thought that guy couldn't speak English/refused to learn it?
Ah it is him.
I remember,early 94,almost the same week;Evil dead 3,Menace 2 society,Mouth of madness,Addams family,Demolition man,a Soungarden and Nirvana gigs...
Trent's Mission was to deliver the word of Sutter Cane to the real world.... He did. We watched him do so from start to finish. Why would he have to have such a large role; why not simply have a courier pick up the book and carry it? To invest an audience, to make 'this reality' real to those experiencing it. But the real question is whom composes that august body.
We have all read Sutter Cane.......... Now at least, we all have......
Now Sam Neil's casting in Event Horizon makes more sense. Before that I had only ever seen him in Jurassic Park.
Good showcase for an amazing film. This is one of my favorite movies ever and not simply in the horror genre. It is also my go to example of fiction given power in fiction, which is a tricky rabbit hole to go down but I think is amazing when handled correctly.
“Only just begun”
Oh great 1408 flashbacks. The first actual psychological horror movie I’ve watched, and really liked . Second being the babadook
I laughed at 1408 when the main guy started screaming "What do you want?" Then followed by snorting like a pig as he throws shit around.
I really like this video.
i read mountains of madness and the movie the thing is so much closer to mountains of madness, because both take place in cold and both involve traverssing icy place, But:to tell you the truth they are also far apart and way different as well, cause in mountains of madness you had plant people with tentacles and leathery hide and they could travel space and go underwater, and they created some creatures which were giant slimes which became sentient and moved ultra fast.
I like to think that Trent had to bring the book to reality so Cain could than change reality to his will. Sort of like a meguffin we never see but works behind the scenes in a terribly written story
The hick guy is the guy who plays vego in ghostbusters
Not just the agent's eyes - the publisher is wearing blue and the glasses-guy in the bookshop is also wearing blue. As is the little kid as they approach the town.
After all, it's Sutter Cain's favorite color.
ONE OF MY FAVORITES ALSO ONE OF THE BEST
I watched this move yesterday with my wife. She fell asleep, while I was chillin and thought it was fuckin surreal... good surreal... that ending was unexpected, but to me, it fit fine. And then I see this video and I'm like "yesss"
The scene in which the monsters are chasing Trent down the corridor,
I have paused so many times .
My only complaint about the film:
Not enough monsters .
Sometimes less is more.
That one time Ra’s al Ghul & the Riddler teamed up
I understood that joke
One of my favorites
This is my favorite horror as well. Great atmosphere
Still, this is my favorite John Carpenter film... yes, I even like it more than his "The Thing Remake." When I first saw "In The Mouth Of Madness" when it first came out in theaters in 1994, I was 14-yesrs-old, I understood the whole movie. Normally whenever I'm watching a movie for the first time I'm not analyzing anything, I'm just enjoying the movie. But this one made me think about everything that was happening and being said. Another great an in-depth review!
I just turned 16 a while ago. Think I should give it a watch?
I can't hear the song "We've only just begun" without thinking of 1408, which is still one of my favourite films
Hobbs End Horror is a clear reference to Quatermass.
Ever think of reviewing Bloodborne. That game is Hidetaka Miyazaki love letter to Lovecraft.
Reviewing games is quite hard in my opinion if i were to do it in the same detail of movies reviews and not really something I can get my head round, but if I get the ability to record from console a lets play or something of that nature is not out of the question.
Deusdaecon Reviews it’s all good. :)
Considering the difficulty curve of the game, unless your a die hard gamer getting the full experience of blood borne in timely fashion would be difficult. I recommend watching Vaatividya’s videos instead
Ive lived dream sequence fake outs. waking up in my dream only to realize that it just a dream as I wake up a second time in reality.
Love that ending on this review lol
Darn tootin' you couldn't resist reviewing this movie.
How have I never seen this movie before?! Have to watch it immediately.
Funny how no one ever mentions how much the Bicycle loop old kid looks like John Carpenter. It always makes me giggle. Smoking a bunch of cigarettes on his keyboard. Editing his movies and having conversations about Carburetor s and catalytic converter s on old Chrysler s
I've poked around your videos but it doesn't look like you ever looked over Clive Barker's Lord of Illusion. It's one of his best movies.
I don't know if anyone else posted this, but "Hobbs End" is also a reference to the 1958 TV serial "Quatermass and the Pit" by Nigel Kneale, later remade as the 1967 movie with the same title. (In the United States, it was released with the title "Five Million Years to Earth".) There are many Lovecraftian themes and concepts in that serial/movie; I am sure this was a deliberate reference by John Carpenter.
oh trust me many MANY people have posted it yes
Wish there were more movies like this.
Bro, I live in Newburyport (the location that Innsmouth is based upon). I didn't see you ther.... oh, I see you've gone to our gift shop at the Tannery. Enjoy your transformation, traveler.
Definitely the best Lovecraft inspired film . I agree with everything you said 😌
I just realized that reality because of readers things is a lovecraft reference to how readers were reacting to the necronomicon and the shared mythos
Love this movie.
love your intro song
one of my favorite movies
Hi gang...another thing that struck me was the use of the village name "Hobbs End". The name originally came from a scifi horror (Hammer I think) film called Quatermass and the Pit. It dealt with construction work undertaken on the London Underground network to build a new station called Hobbs End. Perhaps a homage by Carpenter to this great little flick...what do you think?
i mean all thats interesting but i can't seem to get past the idea of starting a comment with "Hi gang" its delightfully quaint
"Welcome to HP Lovecraft month" THANK YYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU!
Saw this in theater and one of my trippiest movie moments ever was watching Sam Neil in a movie that has Sam Neil WATCHING Sam Neil in a movie. Mindfucked me. I loved it.
Not sure which I encountered first but the cathedral in ItMoM always reminds me of the monastery in Diablo and vice versa.
When I was 5 y.o. I knew a little girl who had webbed fingers. I got to hold her hand and look at her fingers. Later on, she had surgery but I never saw her again, cuz we moved.
This is arguably one of John Carpenter's best films and one of my personal favorites. It's a shame that it's not more well-known like Halloween or The Thing, the latter of which I really love.
Do you read Sutter Cain -- Have you found the yellow sign
About a year later "Oculus" is declare the all time favorite horror film. In about 12 years I haven't found a film to displace "Slither" as my favorite.
You have stellar taste
Every time I see that little cartoon character, it reminds me of Johnny The Homicidal Maniac
that was intentional
I see scary, horrific tentacles in the movie...it's Lovecraftian for me!
The sutter cain thing is very reminescent of the King in Yellow.
How so?
One thing that surprised me was the fact that hobbs mean male ferret which I had no idea
Holy crap I need to see this movie!!!
Man happy gilmores grandma is crazy
When you started talking about Insmouth, you should have just flashed the webbed hand and left it at that. Right after I saw it, I thought: "did I just see what I thought I saw?"
A hob is also a friendly household elf
The paper boy on the bike is a young Anakin Skywalker Haiden Christenson
Hobb's End is also a reference to Quatermass and the Pit.
Love this movie, in my top5
So this is where the clips from the Intro to Internet Insanity come from.
There is extended footage of the tunnel monsters, they are much less effective when seen in full.
I just left a comment on how that tunnel scene was my most paused part of the film. I wanted to see more of those Lovecraftian abominations.
@@christopherdaniel5919 Lovecraftian horror was always more about Imagination than descriptions, ironic that theses monsters loose affect when shown clearly.
@@ironreed2654
Agreed. Sometimes less is more.
Hmmm. Which do you think is worse for Mr. Trent here? Being inside a city where everyone is losing their minds or getting chased around by dinos? XD
well only one of those was survivable and non apocalyptic
True. ^^
Top film
cool I saw a chunk of this film ages ago but I didn't know the film title and it has been driving me nuts trying to find this movie
I love this movie! That’s all.
My personal favorite horror movie.
If a girl shows you how easily she can swollow your car keys... why should you wanna *leave??*
well out of the context of the film it Probably means she's showing symptoms of pica and needs some form of mental health evaluation.
@@deusdeaconReviews i believe you're giving my dirty mind way too much credit lol