COMFORT PRINT® CONTROVERSY! A Discussion about Thomas Nelson/Zondervan Comfort Print - PART ONE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ธ.ค. 2024
- Tim Wildsmith joins Tim Frisch to discuss Thomas Nelson and Zondervan's Comfort Print. In part one, the discussion revolves around the purpose of Comfort Print and people's reaction to it.
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This was so much fun, Tim! Thanks for having me!!
Just saw this. Three years later, Tim is still the bomb to have on as a guest. :D
Thanks guys great conversation.
I despise comfort print! It’s smaller and doesn’t stand out! It doesn’t comfort me! It vexes me!
I'm sort of a Thomas Nelson fan myself; I like the quality of their products.
Yes, they seem to be really putting a lot of effort into quality.
Great video. Humans will complain about anything.
Yes, we do seem to find things to complain about. Maybe that's why God gave us Phil. 2:14 😁
How can you make an entire video about a font/typeface, AND NOT SHOW US ANY EXAMPLES!
I'm honestly not a fan of Comfort Print bibles. I don't know what it is, but when I read them it feels like the lettering is blobby, the words blend together, and some of the letters just don't work for me. I find myself reading the same section over and over because my brain just doesn't register the words as well. The increase in letter thickness also makes the bleed through worse. I tend to like thinner letters which produces more white space. That's what makes it easier on my eyes. But... that's just me. I would personally like to have the option to get more recent bible without Comfort Print, but that's becoming more and more difficult.
I am with you. Seconds after reading it it gives me a terrible headache. And I have to stop. I have one bible with it. I don’t read it simply for that fact. Yes. It looks as though it is taking over newer bibles. I’m on a quest now to buy the older versions or ones without. I missed out on the biblical theology bible bc of the comfort print. Like you it is very distracting and I don’t remember at all what I just read. This is like reading one sentence. It’s concerning bc I’ve NEVER had a problem reading normal text or even other pretty text. God will helps us find the Bible’s we need before they are all converted.
It does look better when bold or with some color contrast relative to the paper.
I agree and apparently Zondervan makes all the bibles so now you can't find an NIV Bible in any other font!
I’m a big fan of comfort print. The only bad thing about it is that it spoils you after you read it for a while. It’s weird to go back to a reading a “regular font” like what is used in the Cambridge Bibles from the 50’s and 20’s. I feel it’s even much better than the Milo font, personally. It’s almost like the milo font was a practice run for the comfort print series. Great video, guys! 👍
I gave away my 80s and 90s stuff as soon as I started climbing the current quality ladder, no sentiment justifies such heinous typeface and stiff gutters.
I will be 60 years old this year and I can say that the Comfort Print has been a godsend for me. When you are dealing with the vision problems that come with getting older, regular typeface can be difficult to read. I have the NKJV New Open Bible which has a small font. But the comfort print font used in that bible makes it easy for me to read, which eliminates the need to lug around a large print bible.
@Gary P Thanks, that's a really valuable comment. I'm in the older range too and haven't needed large print yet, but very good to know your experince.
I have had the same experience in multiple translations. I have "standard" text bibles from Zondervan/Nelson that are more comfortable to read than others with same or even larger print. It should be said that paper thickness and opacity is crucial as well, for those of us with fussy eyes. But, all things being equal, I'd much rather have ComfortPrint than any older, common type face. Be well.
Amen
How? It’s shrunken compared to the old bold print!
Thank you,Tim and Tim🌹🌹⭐🌹🌹
I am so grateful for all the innovations publishers are incorporating into their bible offerings. I am especially grateful for their efforts to make the Bible more readable. It does make a difference. I know that the business aspects of publishing plays a major role in marketing decisions, but I am not offended that these publishing houses make such efforts, because in the end they could only continue to make their bible offerings over a period of time if they consider their business viability. That's important too.
I will own my very first 'comfort print' Bible later this week and I'm looking forward to enjoying it. :)
For older folks lie me the size of the ring absolutely matters. Anything below 10 gets blurry.
Believe me, this is a very important topic to those of us who live with serious vision issues.. We are always looking for that perfect text.. Right size, peshape, clear shape, color (we like a darker print), We can’t just pick any book and read... The text has to look ...and feel.. . Comfortable... If any if the aforementioned prerequisites are off, we might not be able to read thst partivular Bible..at least not comfortably.
I look for Bibles with Comfort Print, because CF often makes a big difference to me.
A small complaint... Inhave noticed that large/giant Bible often are limited, when it comes to features “regular” Bibles take for granted. And, the Bible’s made for gisually impaired are often a kitten on the unattractive side...and never offered as Premium Bibles. There might be Premium Bibles for the visually impaired, but I have never seen one. Maybe, Tim, you could have someone come on your podcast, and dusvuss thus topic.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts as a visually impaired person, and thanks for the topic idea!
I personally find comfort print harder to read. Especially the NIV CP. I am buying up pre Zondervan comfort print NASB's.
thanks both very good points, i guess as i have got older, i do struggle with small font, i do like comfort print it does help me, for me its not just the comfort print that helps,bold dark font,good quality paper, line marched and the thickness of letters and well spaced words and if red letters the darker the better
I do enjoy having several different Bibles in different formats, versions, and study Bibles. I also very much like the comfort print on these older eyes. Never know when someone you work with, or a loved one needs a Bible to keep or to borrow. 😊
I believe you know it is all about money. I can no longer read the scriptures because comfort print type face. I have tried to get a regular typeface.
I have the NKJV Giant Print. While the font size is good, The Comfort Print is destroying the readability of it. It is awful. I just can't concentrate on the text, everything is getting blurred in my mind. Comfort Print may be good for some, but it is awful for us others! It is not about the font size nor about the esthetic, it is not readable. So, I am wondering about buying the Super Giant NKJV, but if it is also the Comfort Print, what is the point?
I completely agree my favorite translation is the NKJV. But I hate and find the comfort print from Thomas Nelson the worst to read even though the paper quality is good for the price.
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You bet, Brenda!
The only thing I dislike about it is that it is now very difficult to buy a new English bible in a different typeface where I live.
I like comfort print. Smaller font IS more readable.
For me a good, bold, traditional KJV font can be read easily from about 8 points up. Comfort print needs to be 10 points upwards to be as clear. That’s for me and my eyes though. It’s nothing to do with translation. (I read the NRSV and NIV the most despite their - mostly - lacklustre fonts.)
If you don't like the Comfort Print (which I don't), where can you buy a simple NIV bible (nothing extra)?
I accidentally discovered that the NIV comfort print was modified after it’s original release. The original version did not completely close the letters, a lowercase e was not closed in the center. The first time I saw it it was so different I loved it and later found out it was changed. I am waiting on a copy I tracked down to arrive.
Glad you were able to find what you were looking for; hope you enjoy your new Bible!
Thanks for this conversation guys. I learned a lot. :)
You're welcome. Great to hear!
Thanks! Who knew there was this so much to book text design?
I know, it's really fascinating when you learn what goes into Bible design.
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In 2010 or 2011 one of the vendors at the Shepherd's Conference had a bible that was absolutely incredible. The publisher ensured that the construction was top notch, printing on the reverse side of the page was directly inline with the printing the reader would look at. The page thickness was considered,...everything was considered and well thought out.
I bought one of those bibles but ended up giving it away to a girl who needed it, but I have been reminded often of how much I appreciated the quality of the printing. Thank you guys for discussing a topic that we often overlook.
You're welcome. Thanks for commenting!
The comfort print font is great. These bibles are beautiful. I just wish they were made in the USA or Europe instead of China. Will Nelson ever make a bible printed in Europe or USA? I suspect that decision is made by their parent, Harper Collins. Too bad.
So then I would say in regards to my Schuyler Quentel that I like the Milo typeface, with the 11 point font, with the typesetting of a two column paragraph format with wider margins than usual, with also a separation of the footnotes compared to the textual notes.
Thank you! 😂
I applaud them for doing the comfort print. In fact, if I was a publisher and I had the money to commission a new font for something, I would do it. Because it's part of your unique selling point. It's part of your feature suite that you're putting in your Bible. Other companies do facsimiles and that's perfectly fine, but if you're a company that wants to offer something new, or to give a fresh look to something so familiar, why not go for an all-new font?
The Bible is just something that people are used to. People are resistant to it being updated. Even if it is something as simple as changing the font. But I also agree that if they had come out with it and hadn't said anything, no one would complain. The only complaints would be from people who found it hard to read. But again, if I had gone to the trouble of actually getting a famous type foundry to design a font for me, you're darn right I would advertise it on my products.
Good points. Thanks for sharing!
2k Denmark has been such a blessing. My first introduction was with the CSB study bible. Wonderful typography. As for the comfort print, large print bible, there is a more relaxed reading experience, if a moment of bible reading relationship could be defined. Reading aloud is where comfort gets high marks in my viewpoint.
No bueno
Can't say I've thought about it. The Holman NKJV I like because it reminds me of authenticity, however I love the TN Orthodox SB typeface because the words jump off the page and smash you in the eye balls. God bless.
Ha, ha, I like how you said that. "The words jump off the page and smash you in the eye balls." 😂
First off I like to say that the two of you are so pleasant and wonderful. I love both of you guys I love watching all of your reviews and doesn't matter what the subject is your Pleasant nature is a joy to participate and to experience .
it is Troublesome how Christians talk about the word arguing. They are trying to imply that arguing is some form of sin but it is not sin.. a better word would be discussing. Let's talk about a subject passionately. There's nothing wrong with talking about a subject in a passionate manner. I've heard people say "Oh, you're being over-critical brother". I find Christians cannot discuss something that is not agreeable to each other. How am I supposed to know if we agree on a subject if we don't talk about the subject! that's ridiculous 😆
The most fun and eye friendly typeface of the last two decades was the hardcover
ESV student Bible
superb wellspaced 2 column opaque with Meta Serif OT and
Gotham Narrow
this original ESV student Bible should be released in a larger print with the
same typeface
layout
Please make the comfort print stop! It’s not sharp or bold! It’s a roundy, skinnier, and looks faded. I can’t read it well. It’s readable to me but it’s not comfortble
I think that 2K Denmark should have given some Grace here! How do you expect a person to know the difference between these two words? Their response on Facebook to the person making that post speaks volumes.
I don’t really understand what the controversy was.
CAMBRIDGE KJV seems best for reading .
A copyright ? From 1920 and 1950 ?
I’m not complaining! I just like BIG! BOLD! DARK! typesetting! I have a beat up Bible I’m using from 2012. I preach from it. It’s perfect. Kjv Nelson reference. I looked and looked and found the same only it “comfort print”. It littler and faded and roundy squishy looking! I have it away and went back to my 2012 KJV
biggest problem for me is a 12.2 font in comfort print is 9.6" long where a 14 font is 11". 12 is a little small but 14 would be great but I dont want to lug around a foot long bible
I much prefer the Comfort Print over Schuyler’s Milo font. A Schuyler Quentel ESV was my daily reader for 15+ years, then in 2020 I bought a NJKV in Comfort Print and I must say their Comfort Print was so much easier to read than the Schuyler Milo that I totally switched translations to the NKJV!
Huh...people don't like the Comfort Print®? The TN NKJV font is absolutely wonderful in my humble opinion.
Exactly Tim(s) … though I am a year too late… :)
You both have lead me to want more bibles… No more bonded leather or paste down liners.
Comfort print is a beautifully designed type face… or family of typefaces.
The NIV Side Column, Wide Margin, Reference is perfectly laid out as far as its typesetting is concerned… Bid it is sad; for me, that they only went with the blue highlight text, blue under silver guilting… and blue ribbons as I only like the burgundy/red highlights and red under gold guilting as per their NASB and Thomas Nelson’s NKJV.
Oh Tim Frisch… Between line Leading is pronounced ‘Ledding’ because traditionally letter press type setters used a certain width strip of lead between lines of type.
It is interesting to to hear you fellows talk about specifics of type, typesetting and typography in general… as a typographer myself.
It's all about marketing. To me it failed and I personally can't stand the "Comfort Print". It's not a "comfort" at all, looks smooth, lifeless and artificial.
I LOVE my NKJV Personal Size Large Print Reference Bible with 10.5 point Comfort Print font. It makes everything else pale in comparison.
I don't like the name 'comfort print,' it's a little too feminine for me.
ESV in personal size 12 POINT is very readable. A goldilocks bible. 4.75 x 8.75 if I remember. Maybe my favourite. I have ALL the CAMBRIDGE..except super small.
Slipper connoisseur... Perimeter stitched, semi yap 😂
You guys neglected one of the Comfort Prints! There is also the Catholic Comfort Print for the New American Bible Revised Edition! Is this some kind of Protestant conspiracy?!? 😉