I can notice that you have said all the Arabic Sultan's names in the last episode about the upcoming update... you said the names in a very good way! really I didn't expect that from you! in addition to that you are getting me more amazed with saying the French words also correctly! 😂😂
Fun Fact: At level five she gets burnt at the stake for witchcraft and you lose her. You win the game when you bring your flag to the enemy base though.
This doesn’t feel like age anymore. I’d rather not have an entire civ based on a hero, and rather it be a selective style to play but even then this looks dumb. Probably not gonna play age 4 after this dlc, pretty bummed out ngl
- 1. Finally the devs are experimenting and doing something new, instead of spaming the samish uninspiring boring mass produced DLCs like everyone else does. The devs deserve a praise for their bravery and creativity, instead of all that irrational hate out of pure conservatism and fear of any change.
@@olegdragora2557 Yes yes like introducing lightsabres or dragons to the game. It would certainly be "experimental" and "new". Hero units like this belong in DOTA 2. You want to play DOTA 2? Go and do that and leave Age to those of us who enjoy Age.
Jeanne d'Arc famously never killed in battle, choosing to carry a banner to be army moral rather than a warrior. - Jeanne d'Arc gets a canon in the game. Jeanne d'Arc is most famous for helping Orleans weather a siege, a very defensive situation. - Jeanne d'Arc's XP requirements discourages defensive plays. Slow clap...
I personally would rather the devs be experimental with their game design than timid and overly safe, so I welcome a hero civ (although centering it around a specific historical figure is still a strange choice ngl) and I imagine if players end up hating it, then we simply won't see more hero civs in the future, at least until they tweak this into something players enjoy
I don't mind "hero" characters, but its just this format that bothers me. I prefer something unspecific, such as the English king. I could imagine other cool hero units, such as the Japanese Shogun or an Ottoman Sultan. These are non-specific "leader" type roles that I personally prefer. I like to imagine each match is a unique battle, and it's hard to look at it that way when there is this very specific character that I am going to have to fight every time I get the matchup. It's not the end of the world for me, but I still just don't like the design choice at all. It doesn't feel like it fits categorically or thematically.
It adds a new strategic layer to the game imo. Losing a hero could be a devastating loss to battle as is it would be historically. Troops losing morale and will to fight. In this case it would just be losing buffs instead of morale.
This just seems like French+. How does the rest of the civilization itself differ? Why would we ever pick vanilla French when we could have Hero French instead? What's the downside?
IMO it was a missed opportunity to bring in a “crusader” civ. Also a French variant, also focused on a hero and their few companions, but super relevant to the DLC, and also much more ‘generic’ and therefore acceptable to history fans. Instead of Jeanne, you would have a “champion” that represents the likes of one of the original Crusaders such as Bohemond, Godfrey, Raymond of Toulouse, Tancred, etc. The only difference is that such champions didn’t act as peasants so the whole villager part may be strange. Unless that part represents a ‘champion’ from the People’s Crusade
I mean sure but you’re missing the point. Jeanne d’Arc has been divisive, so they could’ve just made it the crusader civ instead, and the work for that is minimal since all the assets are basically the same. You’re talking about creating a whole new variant civ
@@CouchTomato87 well yeah I'm saying if you want a crusader civ they can do that for one of the ones that have no variant, because I think Joan of Arc is a great idea and seems to work well. To me it wasn't a missed opportunity, and since it can be done still it's not really a missed opportunity just a cool idea in the same vein as the other variants that we can still get. I would like this to happen and since the fact is we have Joan I don't see the point of it having to be French
Good video. I really don't like how Joan of Arc was the one to be made into a Dynasty Warriors character, considering she never actually used her sword in combat, much less a gun. It just wasn't who Joan of Arc was, and never would've been.
oh noooooo, as I feared, broken concepts :( I do not like this roleplay addition to a RTS game at all, and even less so Jeanne with a giant handcannon, thats ridiculously silly :( go lets play World of Warcraft ... and in the WoW RTS you at least had a logical concept and all factions got heroes. in AoE4 its just a half assed intro and only some CIvs have a Hero ... its really lazy Relic pushing to many experiments into the game at the same time, thumbs down Relic
I mainly want to know what Jeanne d'Arc _loses_ compared to the French, to maintain balance with this added new mechanic. Does Jeanne replace the age up landmarks?
The implication from her civ page on the website is that she doesn't progress through the "ages" as other civs do, so I'm really curious what that will mean. Is her civ technically always just in one "age?" Are things like gunpowder units available from the beginning but just prohibitively expensive in the early game? How does her faction change over time? Really interesting questions that I'm excited to see more about
So its Warcraft 3 now nice, is she the updated Sylvanus Windrunner equipping her bow haha. While also shitting on history by making Joan a fighting hero lul. If they were gonna name a brand new civ after a French person why not Charles Martel or Charlemagne....nah...we need to simp for those lady's in plate Armor charging into battle which never existed :). I'm disappointed AOE went down this path. Its just a fantasy game now
how does it affect your life in any way if a woman fights in a videogame? It’s weird how historical accuracy matters so much more to ppl like you when women are involved
I've played them all since AOE1. In AOE2 she was in the campaign only under the Franks with 6 quests and rightly so (one of my favourites actually as who does not love La Hire)..but never as a civilisation on its own and also with a hero level up mechanic, it has never been done that is not AOE! The games were always based on historic civs and their empires. I guess you are the one who knows nothing of the games sir. @@rumatadestora
What? I'm going to ignore your first sentence as its asinine. Its weird having her as a hero you level up and named after a civ meanwhile also charging into battle in plate wielding a sword which never happened.. it does not fit this game which has always at least tried to be grounded in reality and medieval combat where this mechanic never existed nor would females ever be enlisted into armies to fight in melee combat its completely ludicrous to think otherwise. I enjoy Warhammer 40k, Age of Mythology, even WOW where you can play as females I have no problem with that as that is the "fantasy world they devs made" and they are fantastic games. It just makes 0 sense what they did here and its weird that people like you defend it. @@samuelmcl.9474
I actually think this is may turn out to be a great interesting decision. Those that like the idea get a breath of fresh air, while those that hate this new idea… just… don’t have to play the Civ. In each game it’ll prob feel more like a campaign mission now where you have to worry about a “General” but balance is key to making this a good addition. I’m impressed with their willingness to try something so new and bold! It shows they’re willing to make mistakes to keep us all interested
Strongly against hero units. Obviously, we will see how the balancing works but not a fan of this generally. Side note, does the faction lose the bonuses of the french or do you maintain all of Frances bonus with this additional unit. If it's the latter that would be incredible OP.
I don't think this is necessairly a bad idea, but i'm not sure if I like it. It is nice to expand the limits of aoe4, but the game is about advancing in ages and having ONE character ALWAYS present feels a bit too much for me. Seems a bit weird to me as well to "create" a "new" civ out of one already existing, when they could give us a real new one. There's plenty of civilitations around middle east to explore: persians, afghans, armeanian, etc.
It kind of looks like they're trying to create commander races from StarCraft co-op mode. It could work, but there doesn't need to be a hero unit, and the commander races are dramatically different. Personally I think Nova is the best, it feels exactly like playing like a spec ops commander with expensive and powerful but limited troops. Jeanne's spawn in ability feels kinda cheap, and kinda breaks the atmosphere.
To me, the variant civs are about experimental civ design; it starts with a gameplay idea, and then the devs look for a suitable historical counterpart. That's why they're called variant civs rather than just normal ones. Cuz in AoE4, at least, the normal civs take a TREMENDOUS amount of work to make: the art, music, models, mechanics, and research are massive undertakings. So I'm very happy that we're getting two fully fleshed-out regular civs with all the bells and whistles, plus a number of variants that are easier to make in terms of brand-new assets, but offer vastly different game experiences
@@Vesmir789 I mean, unless the varient civs have huge holes in their tech tree or something, you could just ignore Jeanne and play as regular French, at least from what I see. Having Jeanne also doesn't seem to fix any issues the french have, their vils already train faster, they already have great cav, the champions would be nice but you can't mass them. It seems like a Khan that you have to put more micro than it's worth. Not one single player gives a shit that Joan starts as a vil then becomes a soldier. Brokk and Eitri from Age of Mythology did that first and better. Aside from that, well, despite Age of Noob's efforts, she really just does look like a Khan for the French.
@misteral9045 Seems like a lot of assumptions in there tbh, we don't know that much about Jeanne's faction yet. We don't know what she loses compared to the French, or what civ bonuses she has. There's not much reason to think that Jeanne and her new units are the ONLY change compared to the standard French civ. If it was just "the French but you have Jeanne d'Arc," then yea, I'd be pretty disappointed by that. But from what we can already tell, it seems that her faction doesn't advance through "ages" like other civs, so I think it's safe to say that the changes are more substantial than just "France with a khan"
@@Vesmir789 Haha not really, Age of Noob made a direct mention of Jeanne being a french Khan. Jeanne will have no age up mechanics? Ok, so no tech upgrades, or they only unlock as Jeanne levels up? Good luck being stuck in second age because your opponent only fights Jeanne when they can kill her.
This DLC is gonna bury this game even more, i don't see the hype here at all..... Even as cool as the Japanese and Byzantine look like it's still not enough for such bad faction or civ or whatever you call it to be implemented to the core of the game. No it's not about the name, but more about the mechanics as a whole. Big pass for me sadly!
I just hope they balance this i dont like the fact you sumon unit imagin raiding vills with that gona be OP. Well we need yet to see what is up to do before even talk about it.
"Its a game" yeah sure, but some people wouldnt like it if you depicted Jesus smoking people with a rocket launcher or Muhammed doing kick flips. Choosing a great Saint and making her into a warrior doesnt sit well with a great deal of Catholics. If they really wanted to be respectful they would make her a buffing unit that rallies men/villagers and thats it, instead they give her a handcannon
What if Jeanne dies in combat, gg already? Don't tell me they gonna revive her in town center like a Khan, you can have many Khans but unless every further commander is renamed as Jeanne this is ridiculous and insane. Also don't tell me she never die, everytime she got killed they say she's badly wounded and will be back soon, that's even more insane and annoying.
name is very poor and its obvious that devs try to make feminists happy. entire faction is named after one woman. yeah i mean im kinda bored with this agenda thing lately in the world. whats next? a single woman vs whole nations or something? how can you exegerrate more than this? and what about being historical? jeanne with a giant gun on horseback is historical now? wtf is this? very much over the top whit weeeeman powa fantasy bullshit. make her a hero, a special unit, i get it, its fun, it can done. even tho jeanne probably never killed anyone in battle, you can still fantasize about it to an extend.. but this? come on this is really bullshit. way over the top now. i might pass on this dlc just because i dont want to back up this agenda any longer.
For me it is still the most stupid and silly decision to make an entire civ (even variant) based on one single person... There should be Burgundies or Normans or Templar Order instead. Title of DLC has no sense.
I think the option for a hero civ is really nice. I may not be the biggest fan of hero civs but I think this is overall a good choice, maybe we will get some wc3 players to check the game out and fall in love with it. If that's the case then I love it! This game needs more players because it is so damn good! Also if you don't like the hero civ then don't play it! There are 5 more civs coming this expansion that you can try out that are not hero focused
To be honest, i find the idea behind this civ variant quite intriguing. However, personally i find, that Age of Empires is just the wrong game for something like this. I understand that they are proud of their concept. It's just that not every great idea fits with the overall narrative. Having this variant solely for the campaign would be much better, than having Jeanne D'arc compete against entire civilizations over the course of a couple of centuries. I'm very happy that they changed the name of "Sultan's army" to Ayyubid Dynasty. However, i find that the new name for the chinese variant is even worse than before. My main problem is really that they all appear in the standard battles. Having them in campaigns only would fit much better.
I am not sure, if balanced well it brings an entirely new and fresh play style to the competitive part of the game. it will be hit or miss, but I will definitely try this out, seems like a lot of fun to me
@@dennisbergkamp1553 will see how it plays out, Kings and Khan fit the civs as well, so cant comment before we played it, I am all for uniqueness and love to try out new things so I will stay positive : )
That’s definitely the bit I can’t wrap my head around. It’s cool that she starts as a villager and gradually works her way up to being a more and more powerful unit, but the canon is such an absurd escalation of that. It also looks ridiculous.
I think its because of Gameplay reasons.I'm 100% sure they tested the Sword and realized, with all the Unit blocking in the Game shes not fun to Micro anymore.
This is a bad decision, from so many ways They are chasing warcraft 3 clout at the cost of the games thematic integrity. Watch, next they will introduce a shield mechanic, a faction that has creep, etc. God, what a horrible decision
Jeanne never carried anything else than her banner. She was even tried for carrying weapons by the English, whixh she strongly denied. ... now we have Jeanne with a gun.
@@olegdragora2557 this girl was burned alive for frivolous charges like being a woman and carrying and utilizing weapons. This feels wrong. And no, some liberty in a game is needed, but why for Jeanne.
@@bguns8486Why for Monks, who were a privileged society class performing rites in the religious buildings instead of stealing relics, carrying them into the battle, screaming "Wololooo!!" to mind control all enemy forces in the circle around them, and magically removing wounds of allied troops from the distance while they keep fighting, in the middle of the battlefield? Why for Villagers, who were peacefully living in their hamlets inheriting the profession of their fathers and spending their life in the small village they were born, instead of being created out of thin air from the Town Center every 20 seconds each, sent mindlessly gathering wood, completely ignoring an enemy knight killing them one after another until their king gives every one of them a direct personal order to run hide in the building that created them, in exchange for a fixed amount of stockpiled food gathered 400 years ago? Or sent building a Keep in the middle of the enemy city in the center of the battle, forcing the enemy king to resign? Why for Knights, who were a noble highly privileged class of military and political elite inherited the prestigious title from their fathers and leading the armies of mobilized poorly armed peasants, instead of being mass produced out of thin air in stables for a fixed amount of stockpiled food and gold and sent killing more villagers gathering wood than they themselves cost, which is the main goal of every military conflict and life purpose of every soldier? Why the entire army of Archers, created out of thin air from archery ranges instead of being mobilized from the peasants, becomes battle hardened veterans without even fighting anyone in exchange for a fixed amount of stockpiled food and gold a minute after their entire civilisation suddenly and uniformly transcended into a new historical and cultural era, changing their language and architecture everywhere at the same time, all being the consequences of constructing an expensive building? The only reason you are completely ignoring this without even noticing while you are playing is because this is a commonly accepted norm existing for decades already, while your mind is focusing on a new thing just about to become a new addition to the game. This is a natural part of the human psychology which makes us making very poor judgements when we don't keep it in mind and don't make a conscious effort to control it.
What I really want to know is what traits/boni does this civ lose compared to french? My fear is that, if it is "just french with a hero unit" then vanilla french doesn't get to see much play after the dlc hits. And this would really be bad gamedesign. The goal was more civs and not upgraded versions but the way aussie drongo talks about it in his video made it seem like this civ is just strictly better than french...
Age of Noob mentioned that Jeanne d'Arc lose some part of French mechanics, but they are not allowed to share this information with us yet. th-cam.com/video/i1jXLNGjjfU/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgwcOs5hyCu9KymOlG94AaABAg.9v75Pk8r7Jg9v7P0-2N1Id
Honestly, all bets for ''grounded realism'' at least for hero units, was when the english king wields a gigantic F-off sword in one hand that most people would have trouble using effectively with 2. While mounted....and using a shield. I really admire the ''out there'' nature of AoE4 civs, and they're just coming out with more really cool ideas. Sure it's not as a-symetrical as say SC2, but they're really putting out some cool and unique stuff per civ.
How many of the content creators had early access to this and didn't tell them how stupid it is? Are we being trolled? Is it April Fools? Did that say John Dark gets a frackin' cannon?
Being able to spawn units out of nowhere in the middle of the map is a terrible mechanic that I hope they change. I was really excited for this expansion, and I’m happy to see the devs making creative choices, but this alternate Civ seems like it will need to be changed a LOT.
@@ga21351 This is exactly what I thought lol, Btw not just Japan there are many others like Aztec, African, etc can train units. And addition to that as it is mention that Jeanne can respawn after she dies can be same as 'Ransom' ability in AoE3.
Thank you for this well-scripted and well-cut video! I always avoid watching other creator's videos on the Civ news to watch yours first (bc yours are so awesome to watch) I especially agree with your conclusion. I'm hyped mainly because we get new game mechanics and likely completely different emphasis on micro gameplay. This will be a civ which plays distinctly different than the existing civs. Hope the devs keep their philosophy of continuously introducing new concepts to keep things fresh! ❤
New question. Do we think they might have confused Joan of Arc with the Knights of St. John and by the time they realized it they were too far in and just went with it?
Is it possible that she only gets the hand-cannon when you chose the bow path earlier? Or is she given a choice of two different hand-cannons? 😀 The description specifies that it happens "based on her weapon choice", so I still hope that you can have her on level 4 without the ridiculous weapon. I assume you can't answer this (yet), but still mentioning it just in case. Thanks for the informative videos!
Ok, this is about right for this variant. It's the French with a hero which objectively makes them a bit weaker overall because you now have to babysit Jeanne who is ironically the weak link, furthermore, I would wager that this civ loses a lot of power when Jeanne isn't on the battlefield which makes sense because that's the point of this variant, to protect Jeanne and have her lead the army to victory. I personally don't like babysitting a hero so I'll pass on this variant, however, thank you for the explanation, keep up the good work.
They should replace this Civ with Jerusalem. It's a crusader/chivalry order like the Order of the Dragon, it's a natural opponent to the Ayyubids, it's heavily influenced by French culture and it's a cohesive political entity (i.e. kingdom). Not sure what they're doing with Zhu Xi's legacy and I'm not a fan of it simply judging by the name but it would probably be better if they replaced it with the Jin as a variant of the Chinese and the existing Chinese civ becomes the Song Dynasty. The Order of the Dragon isn't bad but I would like it better if it were a cohesive political entity. As a variant to the Holy Roman Empire, the devs could introduce the Papacy/Papal States into the game? The Ayyubids are a great choice for an Abbasids variant!
I won't be getting the DLC because of the variant civilizations, but because of the newly added, bona fide civilizations, Byzantines and Japanese. I don't like the direction the developers are taking with these variant civilizations.
Fun fact: Joan of Arc was actually infamously talented as a gunpowder/cannon tactition. I want to say I even remember reading some accounts of her using a hand cannon when available and I know for sure her cannoneering skill came into particular play during the Siege of Orleans. All that said, Joan wielding a hand cannon and being a sorta "mobile siege unit" is actually a pretty firm nod to historical accuracy, just reinterpreted within the confines of the game. It's be particularly dope, imo, if she had an optional aura that increased the range, mobility, and reload speed of nearby cannons as that would be very on point for her irl. Anyway, thought I'd share. Her abilities are actually extremely grounded in reality, all things considered!
I’m wondering if you have to pay to Microsoft the right to use the Windows XP tour music on your videos @ageofnoob. Although your videos are great to watch! ❤
I dont like the spawn mechanic of jean d'arc mechanics like this were already in AoE3 and kinda ruined the game for me because it gets super arcady. And they missed again the oppertunity to give Jean her actual banner.
Jeanne d'arc is a terrible name choice, she is not a civilisation. Since this just jeanne d'arc. Why don't we just have a one woman army with jeanne d'arc and have no actualbFrench follower of her.
I do like the fact that devs are opening to new mechanics in the game, even if this is something that is going off the boundaries of the core game concept. My only concern is that this hero civ be launch so OP that playing for example a 2vs2 match against French and J’Darc vs Two late games civs like Abassyd and Delhi could result in early rush, and massive win for those civs that have bonuses on early games, and result in frustration in those that do not buy the DLC and prefer late game civs. I hope that you can start sharing more details regarding this new civs and we could have an open beta to test and buff these new mechanics before the launch day. Bad speculation and bias from another games could result in a bad mood on players before the DLC arrives. Even if there is some OP mechanic, I know that by experience Relic has a right game engine to change a whole mechanic to something different they have in mind (I have seem it in games like CoH2 where they change the factions mechanics for Brits and OKW many times) so there is hope they get in the right direction if things start to go in a bad direction.
Joan d'arc has been born as a beautiful baby in Dark Age in 476 after death of last romanzo emperor and grew until she had a big heavy cannon during battle of Pavia in 1525......she survived bizantine empire by 100 years
I was definitely uneasy about the name at first, but the announcement from the devs and the info page for Jeanne's faction did a great job at explaining the intent, I think. Now I'm fine with the name, it makes sense for what the faction is and it's very clear on what you're getting. Also, I don't think it needs to conform to the naming convention for the other civs cuz it DOESN'T conform to the other civs, it's drastically different. Aside from that, I love how the variant civs are presented as a way for the devs to try experimental civ designs. They are built from a bottom-up perspective of creating new gameplay experiences, and I think that brings a lot of potential to the AoE franchise. I never would have expected or suggested such a thing, but that's only because the franchise has only ever given us the same formula for years. I'm excited to see what the devs do when they don't have to build every new civ from scratch and can devote that time to developing really unique new systems and mechanics. I'm personally really excited to learn more about the Order of the Dragon. A low-unit-count army of elites sounds awesome to me
I would much rather get 2 new civs instead of these 4 hybrids that are inconsistent. I feel like the system we already have offers tons of different gameplay and paths, so maybe they could have just add extra landmark for each civ if they wanted to mix it up this badly. Byzantines and Japan are gonna be awesome for sure, cant say that for sure about the other 4 things.
I like they are experimenting. having an entire civilization with several experimental implementations might be too heavy handed in figuring out what works and what doesnt (and similarly focused player sentiment will be easier to identify) and their reasoning on their update explaining why the variants are just variants makes sense even if some might disagree ultimately I'd like to hope this will lead to some good stuff in the future
The regular civs take a massive amount of time and effort to make because the devs put so much thought and attention to detail in them. Every unit and building has a unique model for every civ, for every age, and many also get additional unique models based on various upgrades. Voice work changes over time for many civs, including whispers and shouts. Game mechanics are thoughtfully designed to fit each civ and then implemented, and many mechanics are completely bespoke for their one civ. If this expansion included more standard civs, it would take longer to release and have a higher price point, I guarantee it. The variant civs are easier to make in terms of brand-new assets but still offer new experiences and allow the devs to explore more experimental designs. I definitely welcome something new in the franchise, where all we've ever gotten is the same formula for civ design
I believe I can't share specific details yet - but it's balanced like any other civ's start. i.e. every civ has a unique start (like starting with diff res, HRE Prelate, etc), so you get to start with Jeanne d'Arc when you play as the... Jeanne d'Arc. :)
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I said Jeanne way too many times this video.
I can notice that you have said all the Arabic Sultan's names in the last episode about the upcoming update... you said the names in a very good way! really I didn't expect that from you! in addition to that you are getting me more amazed with saying the French words also correctly! 😂😂
Yes.
Every time you say that name I take a quick Drink. 😂
finally working special heroes in skirmish
French people are thanking you for this
Fun Fact: At level five she gets burnt at the stake for witchcraft and you lose her. You win the game when you bring your flag to the enemy base though.
This doesn’t feel like age anymore. I’d rather not have an entire civ based on a hero, and rather it be a selective style to play but even then this looks dumb. Probably not gonna play age 4 after this dlc, pretty bummed out ngl
feel the same, the devs managed to kill all my hype to play byzantines with this
+1.
@@G3rm4nc1t0 +1.
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Finally the devs are experimenting and doing something new, instead of spaming the samish uninspiring boring mass produced DLCs like everyone else does.
The devs deserve a praise for their bravery and creativity, instead of all that irrational hate out of pure conservatism and fear of any change.
@@olegdragora2557 Yes yes like introducing lightsabres or dragons to the game. It would certainly be "experimental" and "new".
Hero units like this belong in DOTA 2. You want to play DOTA 2? Go and do that and leave Age to those of us who enjoy Age.
Jeanne is cool but i hate heroes in rts games
Jeanne d'Arc famously never killed in battle, choosing to carry a banner to be army moral rather than a warrior.
- Jeanne d'Arc gets a canon in the game.
Jeanne d'Arc is most famous for helping Orleans weather a siege, a very defensive situation.
- Jeanne d'Arc's XP requirements discourages defensive plays.
Slow clap...
it's like civ's Gandhi exept in civ it was a bug.
lol yeah
I personally would rather the devs be experimental with their game design than timid and overly safe, so I welcome a hero civ (although centering it around a specific historical figure is still a strange choice ngl) and I imagine if players end up hating it, then we simply won't see more hero civs in the future, at least until they tweak this into something players enjoy
I don't mind "hero" characters, but its just this format that bothers me. I prefer something unspecific, such as the English king. I could imagine other cool hero units, such as the Japanese Shogun or an Ottoman Sultan. These are non-specific "leader" type roles that I personally prefer. I like to imagine each match is a unique battle, and it's hard to look at it that way when there is this very specific character that I am going to have to fight every time I get the matchup.
It's not the end of the world for me, but I still just don't like the design choice at all. It doesn't feel like it fits categorically or thematically.
AoE4 in future going to have the Barbarossa HRE with Barbarossa as Hero Unit
It adds a new strategic layer to the game imo. Losing a hero could be a devastating loss to battle as is it would be historically. Troops losing morale and will to fight. In this case it would just be losing buffs instead of morale.
Indeed, civ pick rates will give Devs a good idea on what worked and what didn't. Very underrated point.
This just seems like French+. How does the rest of the civilization itself differ? Why would we ever pick vanilla French when we could have Hero French instead? What's the downside?
AoE RPG? wtf?
IMO it was a missed opportunity to bring in a “crusader” civ. Also a French variant, also focused on a hero and their few companions, but super relevant to the DLC, and also much more ‘generic’ and therefore acceptable to history fans. Instead of Jeanne, you would have a “champion” that represents the likes of one of the original Crusaders such as Bohemond, Godfrey, Raymond of Toulouse, Tancred, etc. The only difference is that such champions didn’t act as peasants so the whole villager part may be strange. Unless that part represents a ‘champion’ from the People’s Crusade
That could be an English variant with Richard the Lionheart, Crusader's Army
@@raulpetrascu2696 Except Richard was basically also French
@@CouchTomato87 I don't see the problem? We are talking about a game where you play as the English civ under Guillame of Normandie in the campaign
I mean sure but you’re missing the point. Jeanne d’Arc has been divisive, so they could’ve just made it the crusader civ instead, and the work for that is minimal since all the assets are basically the same. You’re talking about creating a whole new variant civ
@@CouchTomato87 well yeah I'm saying if you want a crusader civ they can do that for one of the ones that have no variant, because I think Joan of Arc is a great idea and seems to work well. To me it wasn't a missed opportunity, and since it can be done still it's not really a missed opportunity just a cool idea in the same vein as the other variants that we can still get. I would like this to happen and since the fact is we have Joan I don't see the point of it having to be French
Good video. I really don't like how Joan of Arc was the one to be made into a Dynasty Warriors character, considering she never actually used her sword in combat, much less a gun. It just wasn't who Joan of Arc was, and never would've been.
The RPG-fication of strategy games...
oh noooooo, as I feared, broken concepts :( I do not like this roleplay addition to a RTS game at all, and even less so Jeanne with a giant handcannon, thats ridiculously silly :( go lets play World of Warcraft ... and in the WoW RTS you at least had a logical concept and all factions got heroes. in AoE4 its just a half assed intro and only some CIvs have a Hero ... its really lazy Relic pushing to many experiments into the game at the same time, thumbs down Relic
I mainly want to know what Jeanne d'Arc _loses_ compared to the French, to maintain balance with this added new mechanic. Does Jeanne replace the age up landmarks?
I'm afraid I can't share more details, but some French mechanics and bonuses are not available for Jeanne.
"That girl is a landmark"
I'm quite shure they will loose the production bonus for villagers so you have to play aggressive to not fall behind
The implication from her civ page on the website is that she doesn't progress through the "ages" as other civs do, so I'm really curious what that will mean. Is her civ technically always just in one "age?" Are things like gunpowder units available from the beginning but just prohibitively expensive in the early game? How does her faction change over time? Really interesting questions that I'm excited to see more about
They should have just made it that she burns at the stake at Age III or whenever she gets captured, for realism.
So its Warcraft 3 now nice, is she the updated Sylvanus Windrunner equipping her bow haha. While also shitting on history by making Joan a fighting hero lul. If they were gonna name a brand new civ after a French person why not Charles Martel or Charlemagne....nah...we need to simp for those lady's in plate Armor charging into battle which never existed :). I'm disappointed AOE went down this path. Its just a fantasy game now
I guess you are new to the AOE series, since everyone who played it should know that AOE2 already made her a fighting hero...
how does it affect your life in any way if a woman fights in a videogame? It’s weird how historical accuracy matters so much more to ppl like you when women are involved
I've played them all since AOE1. In AOE2 she was in the campaign only under the Franks with 6 quests and rightly so (one of my favourites actually as who does not love La Hire)..but never as a civilisation on its own and also with a hero level up mechanic, it has never been done that is not AOE! The games were always based on historic civs and their empires. I guess you are the one who knows nothing of the games sir. @@rumatadestora
What? I'm going to ignore your first sentence as its asinine.
Its weird having her as a hero you level up and named after a civ meanwhile also charging into battle in plate wielding a sword which never happened.. it does not fit this game which has always at least tried to be grounded in reality and medieval combat where this mechanic never existed nor would females ever be enlisted into armies to fight in melee combat its completely ludicrous to think otherwise.
I enjoy Warhammer 40k, Age of Mythology, even WOW where you can play as females I have no problem with that as that is the "fantasy world they devs made" and they are fantastic games.
It just makes 0 sense what they did here and its weird that people like you defend it.
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Bro I'm excited to play Lionheart with Uther skill tree fr fr
Looks like a inspiration from Heroes in Warcraft III, Age of Mythology and Age of Empires III (vanilla and expansions)
Hero gameplay is awesome in rts but hopefully they don't make the heros op
I actually think this is may turn out to be a great interesting decision. Those that like the idea get a breath of fresh air, while those that hate this new idea… just… don’t have to play the Civ. In each game it’ll prob feel more like a campaign mission now where you have to worry about a “General” but balance is key to making this a good addition. I’m impressed with their willingness to try something so new and bold! It shows they’re willing to make mistakes to keep us all interested
when you said Jeanne’s Champion, one guy came to mind: Je m’appelle LA HIREEE
Noooooo why are they doing this? Going down the wrong path in my opinion
Strongly against hero units. Obviously, we will see how the balancing works but not a fan of this generally.
Side note, does the faction lose the bonuses of the french or do you maintain all of Frances bonus with this additional unit. If it's the latter that would be incredible OP.
It's a shame that this wasn't a French themed crusader civ, but it's clear from the design that is not possible, short of a radical overhaul
I don't think this is necessairly a bad idea, but i'm not sure if I like it. It is nice to expand the limits of aoe4, but the game is about advancing in ages and having ONE character ALWAYS present feels a bit too much for me. Seems a bit weird to me as well to "create" a "new" civ out of one already existing, when they could give us a real new one. There's plenty of civilitations around middle east to explore: persians, afghans, armeanian, etc.
It kind of looks like they're trying to create commander races from StarCraft co-op mode. It could work, but there doesn't need to be a hero unit, and the commander races are dramatically different. Personally I think Nova is the best, it feels exactly like playing like a spec ops commander with expensive and powerful but limited troops. Jeanne's spawn in ability feels kinda cheap, and kinda breaks the atmosphere.
To me, the variant civs are about experimental civ design; it starts with a gameplay idea, and then the devs look for a suitable historical counterpart. That's why they're called variant civs rather than just normal ones. Cuz in AoE4, at least, the normal civs take a TREMENDOUS amount of work to make: the art, music, models, mechanics, and research are massive undertakings. So I'm very happy that we're getting two fully fleshed-out regular civs with all the bells and whistles, plus a number of variants that are easier to make in terms of brand-new assets, but offer vastly different game experiences
@@Vesmir789 I mean, unless the varient civs have huge holes in their tech tree or something, you could just ignore Jeanne and play as regular French, at least from what I see. Having Jeanne also doesn't seem to fix any issues the french have, their vils already train faster, they already have great cav, the champions would be nice but you can't mass them. It seems like a Khan that you have to put more micro than it's worth. Not one single player gives a shit that Joan starts as a vil then becomes a soldier. Brokk and Eitri from Age of Mythology did that first and better. Aside from that, well, despite Age of Noob's efforts, she really just does look like a Khan for the French.
@misteral9045 Seems like a lot of assumptions in there tbh, we don't know that much about Jeanne's faction yet. We don't know what she loses compared to the French, or what civ bonuses she has. There's not much reason to think that Jeanne and her new units are the ONLY change compared to the standard French civ. If it was just "the French but you have Jeanne d'Arc," then yea, I'd be pretty disappointed by that. But from what we can already tell, it seems that her faction doesn't advance through "ages" like other civs, so I think it's safe to say that the changes are more substantial than just "France with a khan"
@@Vesmir789 Haha not really, Age of Noob made a direct mention of Jeanne being a french Khan. Jeanne will have no age up mechanics? Ok, so no tech upgrades, or they only unlock as Jeanne levels up? Good luck being stuck in second age because your opponent only fights Jeanne when they can kill her.
This DLC is gonna bury this game even more, i don't see the hype here at all..... Even as cool as the Japanese and Byzantine look like it's still not enough for such bad faction or civ or whatever you call it to be implemented to the core of the game. No it's not about the name, but more about the mechanics as a whole. Big pass for me sadly!
Would be nice to have a DLC that just fixed bugs and gameplay balance
I just hope they balance this i dont like the fact you sumon unit imagin raiding vills with that gona be OP. Well we need yet to see what is up to do before even talk about it.
I see they are going all out with the fantasy turning jeanne into a fighter.
this is a rts game, you want her to be a monk? Lol. Stupid comment, its a game.
"Its a game" yeah sure, but some people wouldnt like it if you depicted Jesus smoking people with a rocket launcher or Muhammed doing kick flips. Choosing a great Saint and making her into a warrior doesnt sit well with a great deal of Catholics. If they really wanted to be respectful they would make her a buffing unit that rallies men/villagers and thats it, instead they give her a handcannon
@@ThatElephantSeal Fate/Grand Order players:
Girlboss civ lmao
What if Jeanne dies in combat, gg already? Don't tell me they gonna revive her in town center like a Khan, you can have many Khans but unless every further commander is renamed as Jeanne this is ridiculous and insane. Also don't tell me she never die, everytime she got killed they say she's badly wounded and will be back soon, that's even more insane and annoying.
Do the Admiral Arkantos thing in AoM, that if Jeanne d'Arc has been incapacitated, her friendlies close to her may revive her with a sliver of HP.
name is very poor and its obvious that devs try to make feminists happy. entire faction is named after one woman. yeah i mean im kinda bored with this agenda thing lately in the world. whats next? a single woman vs whole nations or something? how can you exegerrate more than this?
and what about being historical? jeanne with a giant gun on horseback is historical now? wtf is this? very much over the top whit weeeeman powa fantasy bullshit. make her a hero, a special unit, i get it, its fun, it can done. even tho jeanne probably never killed anyone in battle, you can still fantasize about it to an extend.. but this? come on this is really bullshit. way over the top now.
i might pass on this dlc just because i dont want to back up this agenda any longer.
*I fight for the Maid of Orleans*
For me it is still the most stupid and silly decision to make an entire civ (even variant) based on one single person...
There should be Burgundies or Normans or Templar Order instead.
Title of DLC has no sense.
The quality of these videos with the music and aoe4 background is so good. Excited about the new civs and variants!
Good to see you here again my friend :)
Idk, dislike the Name and civ
I think the option for a hero civ is really nice. I may not be the biggest fan of hero civs but I think this is overall a good choice, maybe we will get some wc3 players to check the game out and fall in love with it. If that's the case then I love it! This game needs more players because it is so damn good! Also if you don't like the hero civ then don't play it! There are 5 more civs coming this expansion that you can try out that are not hero focused
To be honest, i find the idea behind this civ variant quite intriguing. However, personally i find, that Age of Empires is just the wrong game for something like this. I understand that they are proud of their concept. It's just that not every great idea fits with the overall narrative. Having this variant solely for the campaign would be much better, than having Jeanne D'arc compete against entire civilizations over the course of a couple of centuries. I'm very happy that they changed the name of "Sultan's army" to Ayyubid Dynasty. However, i find that the new name for the chinese variant is even worse than before.
My main problem is really that they all appear in the standard battles. Having them in campaigns only would fit much better.
I am not sure, if balanced well it brings an entirely new and fresh play style to the competitive part of the game. it will be hit or miss, but I will definitely try this out, seems like a lot of fun to me
@@Egomotion1it’s a miss already. I’d rather they didn’t make these variants and we got fewer civs. They’re making it dota
Fewer unique civs instead of variations is the direction i thought they'd stick with@@dennisbergkamp1553
@@dennisbergkamp1553 will see how it plays out, Kings and Khan fit the civs as well, so cant comment before we played it, I am all for uniqueness and love to try out new things so I will stay positive : )
Us 10 apm gold boomers are going to stay far far away from this one 😂
Heavy cannon is really weird. Why not a great sword or something like this...
That’s definitely the bit I can’t wrap my head around. It’s cool that she starts as a villager and gradually works her way up to being a more and more powerful unit, but the canon is such an absurd escalation of that. It also looks ridiculous.
I think its because of Gameplay reasons.I'm 100% sure they tested the Sword and realized, with all the Unit blocking in the Game shes not fun to Micro anymore.
@@N.Marschalljust let Jean be able to attack in melee and in range
Or just give her a normal
Ass rifle and not a freaking cornucopia lmao… it looks so dumb
Well it is a hand cannon, as arquebuses and rifles didn't exist yet. It's oversized for visibility like most other weapons.
Ah yes the famous story of Jeanne Dark and her heavy cannon, I grew up on that story.
This is a bad decision, from so many ways
They are chasing warcraft 3 clout at the cost of the games thematic integrity.
Watch, next they will introduce a shield mechanic, a faction that has creep, etc.
God, what a horrible decision
Well, Mongols have creep 😅
Jeanne never carried anything else than her banner. She was even tried for carrying weapons by the English, whixh she strongly denied. ... now we have Jeanne with a gun.
to me, feels like a bad intent to rewrite history
@@G3rm4nc1t0lol its just a game
No, it's a great intent to make a fun game, introduce fun new mechanics and strats.
@@olegdragora2557 this girl was burned alive for frivolous charges like being a woman and carrying and utilizing weapons. This feels wrong. And no, some liberty in a game is needed, but why for Jeanne.
@@bguns8486Why for Monks, who were a privileged society class performing rites in the religious buildings instead of stealing relics, carrying them into the battle, screaming "Wololooo!!" to mind control all enemy forces in the circle around them, and magically removing wounds of allied troops from the distance while they keep fighting, in the middle of the battlefield?
Why for Villagers, who were peacefully living in their hamlets inheriting the profession of their fathers and spending their life in the small village they were born, instead of being created out of thin air from the Town Center every 20 seconds each, sent mindlessly gathering wood, completely ignoring an enemy knight killing them one after another until their king gives every one of them a direct personal order to run hide in the building that created them, in exchange for a fixed amount of stockpiled food gathered 400 years ago? Or sent building a Keep in the middle of the enemy city in the center of the battle, forcing the enemy king to resign?
Why for Knights, who were a noble highly privileged class of military and political elite inherited the prestigious title from their fathers and leading the armies of mobilized poorly armed peasants, instead of being mass produced out of thin air in stables for a fixed amount of stockpiled food and gold and sent killing more villagers gathering wood than they themselves cost, which is the main goal of every military conflict and life purpose of every soldier?
Why the entire army of Archers, created out of thin air from archery ranges instead of being mobilized from the peasants, becomes battle hardened veterans without even fighting anyone in exchange for a fixed amount of stockpiled food and gold a minute after their entire civilisation suddenly and uniformly transcended into a new historical and cultural era, changing their language and architecture everywhere at the same time, all being the consequences of constructing an expensive building?
The only reason you are completely ignoring this without even noticing while you are playing is because this is a commonly accepted norm existing for decades already, while your mind is focusing on a new thing just about to become a new addition to the game.
This is a natural part of the human psychology which makes us making very poor judgements when we don't keep it in mind and don't make a conscious effort to control it.
What I really want to know is what traits/boni does this civ lose compared to french? My fear is that, if it is "just french with a hero unit" then vanilla french doesn't get to see much play after the dlc hits. And this would really be bad gamedesign. The goal was more civs and not upgraded versions but the way aussie drongo talks about it in his video made it seem like this civ is just strictly better than french...
Age of Noob mentioned that Jeanne d'Arc lose some part of French mechanics, but they are not allowed to share this information with us yet.
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I like that she's basically going from villager to Paladin very cool!
Honestly, all bets for ''grounded realism'' at least for hero units, was when the english king wields a gigantic F-off sword in one hand that most people would have trouble using effectively with 2. While mounted....and using a shield.
I really admire the ''out there'' nature of AoE4 civs, and they're just coming out with more really cool ideas. Sure it's not as a-symetrical as say SC2, but they're really putting out some cool and unique stuff per civ.
Devs milking on Joan of Arc popularity from age of empires 2, eh? I like Joan of Arc, but as a civilization concept is kinda absurd
Why, if her lvl works as age up, that can be pretty unique and name this faction dont look that if, this is true ofc
I like video games, I don't mind if they use some creative freedom to make it more fun over being more "realistic" or "historic".
"rip" LMAOOO
Pushing the boundaries? They're just recycling mechanics from other games. XD
How many of the content creators had early access to this and didn't tell them how stupid it is?
Are we being trolled? Is it April Fools? Did that say John Dark gets a frackin' cannon?
Being able to spawn units out of nowhere in the middle of the map is a terrible mechanic that I hope they change. I was really excited for this expansion, and I’m happy to see the devs making creative choices, but this alternate Civ seems like it will need to be changed a LOT.
Japan in age3 have that mechanic and is great idea.
Many concepts for AoE 3 are introduced in AoE 4 like a brand new idea 😂
@@ga21351 This is exactly what I thought lol, Btw not just Japan there are many others like Aztec, African, etc can train units. And addition to that as it is mention that Jeanne can respawn after she dies can be same as 'Ransom' ability in AoE3.
Kremlin guards die of a heart attack
And even before that, Age of Mythology has Pharaohs of Set being able to train controlled animals from himself.
Thank you for this well-scripted and well-cut video! I always avoid watching other creator's videos on the Civ news to watch yours first (bc yours are so awesome to watch)
I especially agree with your conclusion. I'm hyped mainly because we get new game mechanics and likely completely different emphasis on micro gameplay. This will be a civ which plays distinctly different than the existing civs. Hope the devs keep their philosophy of continuously introducing new concepts to keep things fresh! ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Agree with this fella. Always enjoy your content matey. Keep up the great work!
Nice to see you active! Keep it up dear friend and best for the coming content. Your quality is unmatch and amazing. :3
Good to see you here again old friend. Hope all's been going well with you.
John
New question. Do we think they might have confused Joan of Arc with the Knights of St. John and by the time they realized it they were too far in and just went with it?
Is it possible that she only gets the hand-cannon when you chose the bow path earlier? Or is she given a choice of two different hand-cannons? 😀
The description specifies that it happens "based on her weapon choice", so I still hope that you can have her on level 4 without the ridiculous weapon.
I assume you can't answer this (yet), but still mentioning it just in case. Thanks for the informative videos!
Handcannon started being widespread in france in 1338. Jeanne started her journey almost 100 years later in 1429. So they definitely had hand-cannons.
@@Marc-gj9vx Not in the slightest what I was talking about. I didn't mention once that they didn't exist. The point is that she is Jeanne d'Arc.
Not too clear what is ridiculous about the weapon then
Ok, this is about right for this variant. It's the French with a hero which objectively makes them a bit weaker overall because you now have to babysit Jeanne who is ironically the weak link, furthermore, I would wager that this civ loses a lot of power when Jeanne isn't on the battlefield which makes sense because that's the point of this variant, to protect Jeanne and have her lead the army to victory. I personally don't like babysitting a hero so I'll pass on this variant, however, thank you for the explanation, keep up the good work.
I don't think this one is for me, but I'm happy they seem to be pushing the envelope on new Civs without completely warping the game for opponent.
Pushing boundaries?! This is just explorers from age3 and heroes from wc3!
God I hope this civ gets constantly pick banned
Suggested name for the subfaction: Chevaliers de Lyonesse.
Lyonesse is a fictional country in Arthurian legend.
@@StaklihenGood. Now keep searching in Google with the words "Chevaliers de Lyonesse" and take a look to the first results you find in there.
I really dont like this variant civ design direction. You dont have to reinvent the wheel, Relic. Just add normal civs ffs like all Age games did.
They keep killing this game...
They should replace this Civ with Jerusalem. It's a crusader/chivalry order like the Order of the Dragon, it's a natural opponent to the Ayyubids, it's heavily influenced by French culture and it's a cohesive political entity (i.e. kingdom).
Not sure what they're doing with Zhu Xi's legacy and I'm not a fan of it simply judging by the name but it would probably be better if they replaced it with the Jin as a variant of the Chinese and the existing Chinese civ becomes the Song Dynasty.
The Order of the Dragon isn't bad but I would like it better if it were a cohesive political entity. As a variant to the Holy Roman Empire, the devs could introduce the Papacy/Papal States into the game?
The Ayyubids are a great choice for an Abbasids variant!
I won't be getting the DLC because of the variant civilizations, but because of the newly added, bona fide civilizations, Byzantines and Japanese. I don't like the direction the developers are taking with these variant civilizations.
@AgeOfNoob, can we able to disable that DLC whenever we want ? Like I want play with my friends who don’t have bought this DLC update !
Fun fact: Joan of Arc was actually infamously talented as a gunpowder/cannon tactition.
I want to say I even remember reading some accounts of her using a hand cannon when available and I know for sure her cannoneering skill came into particular play during the Siege of Orleans.
All that said, Joan wielding a hand cannon and being a sorta "mobile siege unit" is actually a pretty firm nod to historical accuracy, just reinterpreted within the confines of the game.
It's be particularly dope, imo, if she had an optional aura that increased the range, mobility, and reload speed of nearby cannons as that would be very on point for her irl.
Anyway, thought I'd share. Her abilities are actually extremely grounded in reality, all things considered!
I appreciate that you are using Tourdion as background music.
I’m wondering if you have to pay to Microsoft the right to use the Windows XP tour music on your videos @ageofnoob. Although your videos are great to watch! ❤
I dont like the spawn mechanic of jean d'arc mechanics like this were already in AoE3 and kinda ruined the game for me because it gets super arcady. And they missed again the oppertunity to give Jean her actual banner.
I think that "les compagnons de Jeanne d'Arc" sounds better, just Jeanne d'Arc is weird
Kinda wish she never became a combat unit. One of the most important parts of her story was that she never actually fought/killed anyone.
I want templar order or teutonic variant for crusade where is it ? The New campaign tell about it crusade New variant for abbasyde yes and crusaders ?
A very interesting civilasation ! Are the variants getting camapigns too ?
Jeanne d'arc is a terrible name choice, she is not a civilisation. Since this just jeanne d'arc. Why don't we just have a one woman army with jeanne d'arc and have no actualbFrench follower of her.
I understand the interest in a gameplay point of view but it's a big downer for historical immersion.
Joan of Arc with a f***ing hand cannon 🤣 The devs have no clue where this game is supposed to be going
I like AoE because it's NOT a MOBA
This is not encouraging
Music from Civilization VI made this better than it actually is.
I like these hero civ upadates, kind of like TWWH LL's
Jeanne d'Arc existed in the French Campaign, so... noice.
I do like the fact that devs are opening to new mechanics in the game, even if this is something that is going off the boundaries of the core game concept. My only concern is that this hero civ be launch so OP that playing for example a 2vs2 match against French and J’Darc vs Two late games civs like Abassyd and Delhi could result in early rush, and massive win for those civs that have bonuses on early games, and result in frustration in those that do not buy the DLC and prefer late game civs. I hope that you can start sharing more details regarding this new civs and we could have an open beta to test and buff these new mechanics before the launch day. Bad speculation and bias from another games could result in a bad mood on players before the DLC arrives. Even if there is some OP mechanic, I know that by experience Relic has a right game engine to change a whole mechanic to something different they have in mind (I have seem it in games like CoH2 where they change the factions mechanics for Brits and OKW many times) so there is hope they get in the right direction if things start to go in a bad direction.
Kinda dumb that her weapon is a heavy canon instead of the Sword of St. Catherine.
i wish they just added new/old civs instead of adding different variations of the same civs.
And they pronounce it correctly! Non of that “Joan” bullcrap 😂
With the addition lof the jeanne d'arc, the france should be modified
I can get past the hero part of it but giving her a fucking cannon as a weapon is actually super lame
why are they adding these weird mini civs? just looks lazy.
Jeanne, was only a village, the only "weapon" that she trudly use was a banner and a side arming sword.
When she dies, you can summon her again as Servant (Fate-series joke)
so Jeanne got the big hand canon at lvl 4regardless if we chose her to be an archer or woman at arm earlier?
Joan d'arc has been born as a beautiful baby in Dark Age in 476 after death of last romanzo emperor and grew until she had a big heavy cannon during battle of Pavia in 1525......she survived bizantine empire by 100 years
I was definitely uneasy about the name at first, but the announcement from the devs and the info page for Jeanne's faction did a great job at explaining the intent, I think. Now I'm fine with the name, it makes sense for what the faction is and it's very clear on what you're getting. Also, I don't think it needs to conform to the naming convention for the other civs cuz it DOESN'T conform to the other civs, it's drastically different.
Aside from that, I love how the variant civs are presented as a way for the devs to try experimental civ designs. They are built from a bottom-up perspective of creating new gameplay experiences, and I think that brings a lot of potential to the AoE franchise. I never would have expected or suggested such a thing, but that's only because the franchise has only ever given us the same formula for years. I'm excited to see what the devs do when they don't have to build every new civ from scratch and can devote that time to developing really unique new systems and mechanics. I'm personally really excited to learn more about the Order of the Dragon. A low-unit-count army of elites sounds awesome to me
I would much rather get 2 new civs instead of these 4 hybrids that are inconsistent. I feel like the system we already have offers tons of different gameplay and paths, so maybe they could have just add extra landmark for each civ if they wanted to mix it up this badly.
Byzantines and Japan are gonna be awesome for sure, cant say that for sure about the other 4 things.
I like they are experimenting. having an entire civilization with several experimental implementations might be too heavy handed in figuring out what works and what doesnt (and similarly focused player sentiment will be easier to identify) and their reasoning on their update explaining why the variants are just variants makes sense even if some might disagree
ultimately I'd like to hope this will lead to some good stuff in the future
The regular civs take a massive amount of time and effort to make because the devs put so much thought and attention to detail in them. Every unit and building has a unique model for every civ, for every age, and many also get additional unique models based on various upgrades. Voice work changes over time for many civs, including whispers and shouts. Game mechanics are thoughtfully designed to fit each civ and then implemented, and many mechanics are completely bespoke for their one civ. If this expansion included more standard civs, it would take longer to release and have a higher price point, I guarantee it. The variant civs are easier to make in terms of brand-new assets but still offer new experiences and allow the devs to explore more experimental designs. I definitely welcome something new in the franchise, where all we've ever gotten is the same formula for civ design
I have never liked the idea of Jean d'Arc being a combat unit. Her never having fought was kind of an important part of her trial.
so whats the downside? why would you play the inspired civ
Jeanne at level 4: 'So anyway, I started blasting'
Reminds me of the good old days of WarCraft III heroes
Is this on xbox too?
Yes, the DLC will also come to Xbox.
Ahhh, Relic. Chasing the moba crowd again with a different franchise.
RIP DOW.
looks like they didn't learn anything from their failures
I am not sure if I like that. Seems to be a lot against history.
spain would be way better than 3 variant civs
My friend your missing pronouncing d'Arc
Yeaaaah that name still sucks for a civilisation.
4:30 i tought it was like the king from the english.
How does the game balance losing a villager when she converts into a unit?
I believe I can't share specific details yet - but it's balanced like any other civ's start. i.e. every civ has a unique start (like starting with diff res, HRE Prelate, etc), so you get to start with Jeanne d'Arc when you play as the... Jeanne d'Arc. :)
Being French, I wonder if they still have faster villager training though.
Makes sense, looking forward to more details! @@AgeofNoob