London Mudlarking - The Saddest Thames Find
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- On Wednesday 12th December 2018, I met up with Chill Bill and Si-Finds to film a Christmas Mudlarking Special!
This video is made up of some of our finds from the day out at Millbank in London. During the expedition, Simon Bourne (Si-Finds) made an extra special discovery which I was particularly green with envy at! You can find out more by watching this video!
During the video I mention a blog by Marie Louise Plum about her mudlarking finds. You can find the link here:-
thamesmudlarkdiary.com/
And also, I mention the artist Annabel Ludovici Gray. You can find out about her project here:-
vimeo.com/301940940
And her website is here:-
www.annabelludovici.com/
You do need a permit to mudlark along the River Thames and you can find out the details on the Port of London Authority website which is here
www.pla.co.uk/Environment/Tha...
Thank you for watching. Comments and feedback always welcome.
You can find Chill Bill's channel here:-
/ @chillbill1
You can find Si-Finds channel here:-
/ sxsi81
see you soon.
Nicola
Nicola White
www.tidelineart.com
Why do I, at 76, weep for Mary Ann? She is certainly NOT forgotten. God bless her soul.
To a Miss Mary A Franklin...10 years old....your wish has been granted. You have just been remembered by many.....you will be screen burnt into my mind for a very long time....God bless you Kid....D
In 1844, she got out of prison and threw her prison identification into the Thames River. She was celebrating her freedom. Mary was a plucky one. I hope she saw better days as an adult.
@@JamesBond-uz2dm Hi there James...Nicola told us that brass forget me not was not done Mary herself, but to know she threw her prison I.D in the Thames just makes the story even more poignant. Massive thanks for letting us know that. For some reason i haven't been able to get that story of a 10yr old child being thrown in prison out of my head...it just seems barbaric, even though it was a long time ago. Can i also second your sentiment, and say i hope life was more kind to her after that. Thanks again my friend....Peace.
@@dazuk1969 More than likely she didn't go to prison but was sent to the colonies ! loaded onto a ship in the Thames and sent to Australia !
@@dazuk1969 I can tell you now, that there was much more of this than people realize. I don't think I should say more, as you probably wouldn't believe me, but it is quite horrifying and not over.
@@markcahoon2534 Thank you for your reply Mark...is Nicola doing a follow up on this ?...i would genuinely like to know more....Peace.
I think I have found our girl on Ancestry UK. In a trial at Banbury, Oxfordshire. 24 June 1843 Mary Ann Franklin was found guilty of larceny and sentenced to 7 years transportation.
I know she was pardoned, presumably in Australia. I hope she managed to make a life for herself.
Awesome!!!!! Thank you! I was wondering if there was a way to search old court records.
Would be nice if any of her descendants saw this.
I live just outside of Banbury. I shall take a photo of the buildings where she was tried. ☺️
Thank you.
Forgotten you are not Mary Ann
@@IntrospectorGeneral Did you read the comment from Terri C to Sylwia J. This ist not the same person. The one you are referring to was 26 years old in 1847. "Our" Mary was 10 in 1844
Mary Franklin, you have traveled through time for us to behold! We remember you child.
The forget me not is fake -- watch to the end of the video
The saddest thing I've ever found was a lone tombstone marked with "Our baby" in the middle of the woods on Fort Benning, Georgia when I was going through basic infantry training in 1985. It has haunted me all these years, the pain of the parents that lost their child, the remote location, and the solitary marker all alone out there. It appeared very old but had no dates on it. I know the government moved many people as the base expanded through the years.
Tom's Basement may that little soul RIP. 🇨🇦
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That's wild. We just moved from Ft Jackson and there are all kinds of barely marked and unmarked graves in the range areas. Similar to Benning, Jackson had many expansions through history which resulted in many graves becoming lost to time.
I remember seeing one at fort Benning as well might be the same but there were four graves at this one.
Thanks Tom. Do you have any photos of it? Sorry for the late reply, but if you do, please send to nicola.white@tidelineart.com and perhaps we can do some research on it. Thank you. best wishes, Nicola
This was one episode that I just found yesterday. The Forget Me Not token touched my heart. I just can't imagine that a 10 year old girl was sentenced to prison for stealing a loaf of bread! Your research and history is remarkable. It connects these artifacts to the REAL people from days gone by. I just know that I won't forget Mary Franklin! Thank you--you are a treasure!! 👍✨💖
She was probably sentenced to 7 year indenture
When i was a drayman i have seen in a pub in Guilford the records of some who were transported to Portsmouth for the voyage to Australia, among them a boy sentenced for "skating on a gentleman's pond on a sunday". Outrageous.
Guildford... Home of the rich.
Omg, life is so unfair. Many didn't survive that hellish 10 month voyage. We should all be grateful for our lives.
Thankful my ass we should all rebelled against those authoritarians! Oh f*** I'm on the watch list now!
I read an excellent book about this that gives it an even more disturbing angle. The British authorities needed to populate Australia with young, fit, healthy people with good teeth and no problems. Petty crimes were 'invented' and perfect candidates spotted, in order that there were plenty of the physically right kind of people to transport. Quite often, a death sentence would be commuted to transportation - the authorities would then look merciful, whereas actually all they wanted all along was the healthy specimen for their colonisation programme.
On a SUNDAY! The nerve!
wow i bet she never thought that people would be remembering her 180 years later.
It would sure be amazing if that young girl's descendants could be found. Imagine having such a piece of your family's history given to you! So fascinating.
The forget me not is fake -- watch to the end of the video
Your closing words brought tears to my eyes today. I've had a tough year and lost my brother in July. He was only 47 - the last of my family, and we were very close. He loved your videos and introduced me to them last year.... I've watched them all. I was telling him about the new ones while visiting him for months in critical care, even when he was in a coma. His birthday was two days before Christmas, so I am finding this time of year difficult to cope with.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful comments and keep making the videos and the artwork as they give so much joy to many, including myself.
All the best.. Lez
I feel you
So sorry for your loss. My father died of accidental electrocution on Christmas Day, he was 52 years old.. Such a waste of a life. All the best, Chris..
Tiger Cub hi again. I'm not sure where you are but in Australia if someone is diagnosed with mesothelioma (asbestosis) they automatically get paid out a large some depending on how old they were. My sister in law was diagnosed with mesothelioma only 7months ago, she passed away three weeks ago. It's weird how it stays in the body for so long before it gets to the stage where one only has months to live. God bless you all.
I had to reply to your post Lez....to let you know you are not alone. Like you i have lost all my family...including my brothers who were in their 40s like your brother. Culminating in my Mums passing last year. I cannot extend enough love to you Lez..and i will pray that your coming Christmas will be as pain free as possible. Lastly, you have done the right thing...reach out to people...especially as we are blessed with the far reaching aspect of the internet....God bless you Lez...D
Lez Marwick Really sorry for your loss Lez, go and live like for the both of you, he'll always be with you. Best wishes, Jenny X
I remember my folks took me to Jack London Sq. at Christmas time in about 1956. My dad knew I was bored stiff. He said run along and don't get into trouble...we'll be here at ? oclock and don't be late. You have a watch...don't be late! I met some kids and I guess they we're 'mud larking' on the San Francisco bay. We had a grand time...black kids, white kids, brown kids, kids that didn't know where each other was from. There was no reason we were to be together that day but we were together. I remember a skinny black kid. He was so funny. He had some of us laughing so hard we could barely stand up. Easy days...grand times with boys just being boys. I haven't thought of that day in so long. Thanks for this video and a very special remembrance of my youth.
Marston Davis great story Marston! May I ask how old you are now?
I was just thinking about Jack London's book The People of the Abyss in relation to the Mary Franklin story here.
Marston Davis I remember going to the square too. Had some great times there. Alameda was always an adventure!
The little fluted item that you thought was a jelly mold is actually an old electric light switch surround. The actual switch would be sticking out of the middle.
I thought it might have been a bell
Figured it was a decorative mould of some kind, back when everything in a building was decorated.
I was going to say the same 😊
jane merritt knob and tube switch
ah i was guessing it might have been part of a lighting fixture
Wouldn't it be amazing if Mary's descendants be they in Australia or elsewhere, to receive this medallion as a piece if their family history.
Watch the end of the video. ....It's fake, something created by an artist and chucked into the Thames earlier in the year.
When it was found I was thinking that the writing was suspiciously good for a 10 year old who may have been illiterate given her family situation.
I hate to use the condescending sounding word "obviously" but the token was obviously written with an electric engraver pen. Very few of those around in the 1840's.
Yes you are indeed correct. Did you watch until the end to find out who made it!?
@@nicolawhitemudlark I did after the comment! Must wait till the end to write!
that little girl will never be forgotten, now. even though she has long since disappeared
These were some amazing and very historical finds. The Mary Franklin forget me not was my favorite of all. I am from the United States but have always wanted all my life to visit England and Ireland. I have never been outside of the US but this is a dream of mine. I would like to think that the locals at these two places would welcome me there and show me kindness. I would love to try mudlurking with someone there and here their history stories of the land. My younger brother got to go to Afghanistan but that's different, he was there fighting for our country so his visit there was not on his time to explore and meet people and enjoy the experience. I want to see England and Ireland and meet the beautiful people and explore the land and I don't think I would ever be fired upon. I believe Ireland would be breathtaking beautiful. Maybe someday.
We remember you little Mary! 😭
This is the first video I’ve ever seen on mudlarking and tbh I didn’t even really know what it meant. Little Mary’s story had me sobbing. I’m so sorry you were treated that way Mary, but I know about you now and it’s the year 2020, so you haven’t been forgotten sweetheart, even 180 years later!
I now intend to binge my way through this channel lol
Happy 2020 everyone and thank you for a brand new historical interest ❤️❤️❤️
The 'jelly mould" item is almost certainly an old light switch cover 😊
I have an 11 year old son and couldn't imagine him being taken at 10 and sent away... incredible.
Reminds me when I was a lad, by the side of the Portsmouth Harbour station, urchins would slop around in the mud by the pier at low tide while people threw coins for them to retrieve. My grandfather used to call them mudlarks.
A 10 year girl sentenced for a felony. That was so sad about Mary.
I cried for Mary and all children who went to prison for stealing out of desperation
Get a life....
@@ukrpgfan4029 ?
@@ukrpgfan4029 She has....but you just have a meaningless existence
@ I'm a Tory, but some of us have empathy☺
@@timmytwatcop8764 Only for the rich who want to get richer. Tories have no empathy for the disabled, the ill, the sick, the poor, the homeless, children or the futures of children.
Nicola, you are a very special lady. A wonderful thing to be a part of your sharing. Thank you. Your nieces and nephews are very fortunate.
Thank you Melanie. You are very special yourself ❤️😘
God bless Miss Franklin, you'll never be forgotten now x
The round fluted object is an electric light switch cover usually brass, we had identical items in our old Victorian house in Northwood, Middx.
Bless young Mary Franklin's soul. I remember you kid. I hope you had a big family and a wonderful life!
The piece of wood with a nail through it looked like a Christmas stocking, perfect for this episode.
Mud-larking! What a hansom word to display the historical items that are found at
your fingertips in England! The recent discoveries of earlier then Clovis realities have caused
Americans to dig a bit deeper into an entirely different past.
A past hitherto undiscovered. The most exciting breakthrough in modern history!
That is amazing. I will not forget Mary Franklin.
So how much bread did the government then give Mary while in custody ?
Ironic. Ridiculous the ways back then.
If Guy Fawkes can be remembered for plotting to blow up Parliament, maybe they should also remember Mary and all the people around the world who are imprisoned unjustly. Some imprisoned figures are controversial, but I can't think anyone in modern times that thinks a 10 year old stealing food needs to do hard time in a prison. She would be a perfect symbol.
@@MrKmoconne I agree ' even the United States in 2005 decided it was unconstitutional to execute children anymore,
@@andrewturnbull1027 I can't imagine how in ANY time period that people thought children were culpable for their actions to such a degree. Even during the hardest of times, 10 years is hardly a lifetime enough to understand even the basics of right and wrong. Everyone of that time period should have understood that hunger and survival trumps criminality.
I do share your feeling and consideration mate.
Your reverence for the humanity associated with these items is touching.
of all the things you and your friends have found on the banks of the Thames, that token is the most precious
The Forget me Not tablet made me sad, hope she went on to have a happier life. Can't imagine being locked up at ten years old for just stealing bread.
wonder how it compared to going to school.
I questioned if Mary had inscribed the medallion. Would she have possessed the literacy skills to do so?
When they dewatered Niagara Falls a couple of decades ago to check out the base rock they found the skeleton of a woman wedged headfirst in the rocks below the falls. She wore a ring with the inscription, "Forget me not". She's never been identified.
@@nancydellinger303 Watch the end of the video again. :)
G ScotDeerie Yes, I heard what she said about it being the work of a contemporary artist. My doubts occurred when they first found the item and were speculating that the child had done it herself.
You and friends are crazy fun. Thank you!
I never knew mud larking could be so interesting with all the history and wonderful finds and nice pieces
Wow what a piece of history!!! I feel like I went back to that time! How incredible! Thank you for the memories
I love the round chair. The history of all you find is breathtaking.
The piece of wood with a nail through it is almost certainly part of a boat, probably the keel. The nail is what is called a 'Rove nail' and an expert could probably date it for you as the style of the 'roves' changed over time. Great video Nicola. Stay safe. Louie. xx
you always think how nice things were in the past but then a reminder like mary's story show themselves at how things really were for some and it was very hard indeed
WOW! I am stunned. Omg! Thank you for sharing that. I am touched by the intensity.
I love how you bring the artifacts to life! God speed in your adventures!
Ah Mary, my fav flower has always been the Forget-Me-Not ...the Alaska state flower ... we will not forget you XO, Kelly
That button he found is, 4th Royal Lancashire (duke of Lancaster’s own) Light Infantry Militia 1860-1881.
4th Royal South Middlesex Militia
Date: 1855 - 1860
looks more like this tunic badge
MrJimlad75 badges don’t always match the buttons, the button is in the books as the ID above, it changed after the 1881 regimental reforms
superb work. Honi soit qui mal y pense...
@@leabrunner6102 Yes, the motto of the Order of the Garter is clearly discernable, as is the Garter & Buckle motif surrounding it!
You are a hearty trio and the intensity for your hobby gives all of us a great education on history we never knew about. Thanks mud sister. :-)
So Glad Mary Franklin has not been forgotten! Very moving that tugs at the heart! These people probably did not have much to live for but you have brought new life to them. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for your sensitivity, Nicola. I look forward to all your future videos in 2019.
Funny how the stories behind these items are interesting, and I still don't know the names of my appartment neighbours.
Probably a good thing. Be careful what you wish for. 😉
If you really want to know, read their mail. That should probably work.
@@ClayDress 🤪🤣
Thank you for the information you share at the end of this video. It brings the history back to life.
Nicola, your videos are fabulous and really touch the archaeologists in us all. You are a treasure yourself. Thanks so much for your work and research!
Deported for stealing bread. And you can get away with a light sentence today for almost any crime. Great story. John in London.
very interesting - I would never have thought that there was so much to be found on the river's edge. The story of the young prisoner is especially remarkable.
I love all your hunts. Please keep them coming. You gorgeous lady
Happy holidays Nicola!! Thank you for sharing your treasures with us!
☺ *Around **1:10**, At first I thought you said "tīts in boots" and I was thinking 😄 "Gotta love her witty humor and genuine self confidence!" Then I replayed it and heard the correct "tinsley boots". 🤣 Pure lol!!*
I thought the same thing!😂
@@J.L.Nelson yep, me too lolol
Did the same thing. Lol
Good - I'm not the only one who heard that!
LOL 😂👍🏼
This is very moving. What a trove of the treasures of time.
all those amazing pieces of history,and loads more to be found.
Beautiful woman! Amazing find! 10 year old sentenced broke my heart!
Thames is mystical river. Cheers from Germany.
Incredible, hope Mary had a good life after-all..... great video.
Amazing! I had never really thought about things like this before but over the years, I guess just about anything & everything could end up in a river like that. No doubt, with the history of London, the Thames would be about the best place in the world to look for things like that.
Very cool!! Finding that plaque with Mary Franklin's information is beyond amazing. She is sending you a message from 170 years in the past. The fact that you were able to find out more about her is priceless.
I love your videos so much! When I was a child, we used to put our wellies on and walk along the local streams (actually in the water rather than on the banks) and would find so much stuff - loads of silver spoons, old pennies, clay pipes and lots of other old things.
I was going to say that the forget me not token had the pattern of an electric handheld engraver, so it got me thinking how would they have done it like that so long ago lol. I use one to mark my tools.
I thought the same thing about the engraving. It may not be that old but it definitely wasn't made to be a false item. I do believe it was made as a memorial item to the child mentioned. Maybe a school had a project to remember the victims of injustice and threw them in the Thames in the 1960s.
@@MrKmoconne I wondered the same thing.
Yes I have used one of those vibrating engravers they are awful. I also have engraved by hand and machine. The old engraving was mostly done by hand or with an engraver that follows letter templates.
John Doe Had you Seen the end you would have found out the forget me not wasn’t real. It was created by an artist. So yes it was engraved by an electric engraver. Very Strange art project, one that seems quite disingenuous. But we did learn about
I knew that was a fake as soon as I saw it
You’re rocking that tinsel!! Merry Christmas! Thank you for another thought provoking video.
Such an incredible find. Heartbreaking.
Nic, you have helped Mary live on. It’s truly special.
Poor dear Mary Franklin ,,May she be at peace ,, I love the music Angels we have heard on high ,it is so pretty
the muffin mans coffee mug!! he lives on drury lane!!!
One of the things I did when I visited London was visit places I knew from songs. There was Drury Lane, home of the Muffin Man. Stepney & Knightsbridge from the Rolling Stones' song "Playing with Fire"--"She gets her kicks in Stepney, not in Knightsbridge anymore." I went to Sloane Square because of Morrissey's song "Hairdresser on Fire."
Thank you - people's lives do matter - great to hear some more stories from the past.
The history of the forget me not blows my mind. To find the history behind it puts a life to it. Thank you for sharing this with us. I think you would make a great history teacher. I'm absolutely glued to these pieces of history and information you share with us. I find it absolutely fascinating. Here I am 47 yrs old listening to these like a child being read a book at bedtime
Fairly new to your channel, and I have spent a lovely Saturday morning drinking tea watching your brilliant videos, gotta go and play cricket now. Not many things stop me from doing that, but I would happily sit in all day watching these videos, great stuff.
Hi. Thank you very much for sharing that. Delighted you found them. I have a wonderful time making them. Enjoy your cricket! Nicola
Merry Christmas Nicoli from the great state of Alaska! I love watching your videos, as well as Si and Clem...mudlarking the Thames is a dream of mine... have a wonderful holiday from my family to yours!
And I’d like to add that as a Londoner living in Auckland I really enjoy your videos and the glimpses into the past that your finds represent. Not big important artifacts that someone thought needed preserving but everyday items that have come to us by accident of survival. Truly fascinating, especially some of those pipes with such long stems.
Thousands of children starving, having to steal a crust of bread to kill the hunger. The saddest thing is, it was in probably the richest most powerful country on earth. Love the videos.
Nicola, I love your videos and your finds (especially clay pipes) and Bill and Si as well !
I believe that piece of wood with the nail is from the hull planking of a large boat or a ship, judging by its double ended nature.
The nails were driven through the planking and then a small washer, known as a "rose" I believe, was hammered down on the inside of the ship. You might think of it as sort of a cold rivet.
Keep up the great work!
The jelly mould is a cover for a light switch
I'm so grateful to TH-cam for suggesting me this channel, so happy to have found your channel, I'm an explorer too and love to see what others find. Cheers from frozen Canada
Wonderful finds! Thanks you all for sharing your treasures! I always enjoy larking along with you! Merry Christmas and happy new year 2019!
Merry Christmas and wishing you good luck with some special finds in 2019
7:25 and 15:55 Reminds me of the surround for a light switch. Stayed in an old house many years back and they were everywhere, including one that few off and looked identical.
Just got in from a night shift and watching I still find it amazing how much history on the shores of the Thames ,so much history that so many people walk past ...every find can tell a story , looking forward to your next video/ adventure .👍 Merry Christmas Nicola to you and your family x
Nicola, this was a wonderful video. Thank you. 👏💝
a 10 year old is just 10 years out of the womb and now a prisoner--wow how very very sad.
And don't forget there are children of that age in lockup at this moment in some very so called civilised countries right now.
@@PabloDiablo682 😅
I believe it said 1844 under Forget me Not so hopefully she got out and walked the straight and narrow
My country is imprisoning little children every day, and they committed no crime. They are dying and being raped by their captors, but those in power portray them as vermin, less than human.
Very sad indeed Janet
nobody ever disappears completely. what a beautiful thought. well said!😃
Deeply moving and fascinating all at once. To hold a link to another across all that time.
The wedding ring: I lost mine when my hands got cold outside and it slipped off, unnoticed. I so love the stories you unearth and the way you try so hard to find those whose belongings you find, whether mudlarking or on the sidewalk. You bring history alive, large or small.
The forget me not token looked suspicious to me immediately because the edges were so sharp. There's no way a copper token would have look that clean-edged after 150 years in the water. Still, as you said Nicola, it was an interesting find that revealed a wonderful story. I really enjoyed your video.
The button is the Order of the Garter. The shape of the crown dates it to be early Victorian (the shape changed to a more rounded crown in later years). The initials in the centre could be the persons name, or represent the land they own (such as something like BQ could be the Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry for example). Nice find.
or it could be from a military unit. one similar but not identical belongs to the Coldstream Guards
Amazing how tough they were on children back in the day.
Popped up in my feed...love the chair!!
Great stuff. Happy Christmas 2019!
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Found my way via Chill Bill and Aquachigger...lovely channel...keep it up!
WOW WOW WOW!!!! Love the old coins and metal bits!
A fantastic showing of mudlark. Gave me pleasant break from crafting. Thanks and Happy Christmas. Blessings
that is really cool, her in the US we often hunt rivers for native american artifacts.
In Canada, we call it Beach-combing. Told my dad I wanted to be a beachcomber when I grew up.
Beauty eh? In Molly's Reach!
beach combing is for the seaside. Mudlarking is for river banks..love doing both as well as rock pooling
We call it beach combing in the UK too but only at the beach
This was a fantastic episode!! I'm so glad I found your channel. I've always since a small child been fascinated by pieces from the past. I thought I was quite strange as I haven't found any other with this obsession. At last I'm not alone!!
Loved this video. I do this along the Potomac River here in the U.S. but never found anything this cool. Thank you.
The brass fluted thing, is a light switch surround, when I was 3 or 4 years old we had them in our old house of flats, in Streatham I unscrewed this, and then put my hand in the wires...my Mum got us out of there to a new house not long afterwards, The pottery jar; with Drury Lane on could be just possibly; from Sainsbury's VERY FIRST shop on Drury Lane, if it was it would be of value
Well Nicola
What a story.That was a shock to me as I am a direct descendant of the Frankins from Banbury.
I have not found a direct link to The Mary A who was jailed yet!!
My Franklins were all Tailors in Banbury in the 1800's,
So perhaps its just a coincidence as Mary's Family sound a rough lot
I will do a bit more research and see where it goes.
Merry Christmas
Love the video's
We need more people like you. 👏👏