Guys always ask me the first mods to make when they get their first Mustang. I reply leave it stock. I've been through them all and there isn't one that wont make it look worse, drive worse, ride worse, or be less reliable. But they never listen until they make the mistakes for themselves.
50k to make 230hp non-running horses. That's kind of impressive honestly. It's great entertainment and a shining example of how tuner cars go wrong. I love the content, it's like watching a train wreck. Please don't stop putting it out.
I went to school for HVAC, and you guys made the explanation of refrigeration process more digestible than most of the people teaching it for a living.
@@stevel.6046 as a physicist, yeah anytime these fucks try to talk science i have to skip the next few minutes because it is EMBARASSING. american public school system strikes again
Honestly i had quite fair idea of hvac listening about it countless times from multiple youtubers but NOW it makes sense, i thought the fluid is expanding in evaporator and instead its expanding in check-valve or whatever that was
Should bought Craig migliacios basic refrigeration book. By the time I hit heat pumps (like the second set of 3 classes) I finally caved in and bought it but by then learned a lot just through TH-cam lmfao
I think i enjoy donut for not over glorifying the process of modifying these cars, and they show all the headaches you typically run into when you do more than just bolt ons! Good stuff guys
This really shows you need a good platform and a direction for your build. If you don't know where you're supposed to end up, you get the worst of multiple worlds and the best of some
@@SchvennMeisterno sir, you don’t determine who wins the internet for the day bucko 👎 it wasn’t even funny or good enough of a comment for him to “win the internet” for the day 💯💯
@@joealex65 Still, 50k on a 500$ vehicle. It’s kinda crazy. Although, if I had money to burn that sounds way more fun than buying an AMG. Too each their own, I guess. Cheers mate! Edit: fixed typo.
Thank you for not editing the issues and failures you encounter on a build. Donut has given me the confidence to take on big car projects and it's nice to know that I'm not cursed. These asinine issues are just common when you're wrenching. Thank you everyone at Donut, from the TH-cam channel to Past Gas and DRS (formerly 😢).
While I understand what you are trying to say here, these issues are not as common as this. Not by a long shot. They don't edit their issues out because they want to look honest and be all "hey we have problems too!". They don't edit them out because if they did, their videos would be either 3 minutes long or waiting months for a 10 minute video. The issues they have astonishes me as someone who does a ton of work in the performance car world. I have never seen or heard of anyone or any other shop having this many issues with the amount of money they throw into these projects. Don't use these guys for any sort of measurement or look up to them for any sort of sense of normal. Because they are not that at all.
with the amount of power the power steering system pulls i’d also recommend upgrading factory grounds and alternator positives, that factory alternator is going to struggle with all that amperage being pulled
@@THEBLOODYBALLOON nah I think its fuel related. Sounds like the endgine is starving. They are able to restart it. but when they give it gas its bogging out/stalling.
i would love an 8 hour video with all these little animations from every video explaining everything about cars, like the whole thing bc yall make it so easy to understand. jobe literally taught me how to put coils on my car and i had 0 experience
@toiletgaming2005 nah for the most part they're pretty spot on. The actual layout may be off but that was to generalize things, so I can understand why you would misinterpret that, it happens to people with low comprehension skills
Yes minus one detail at the very end. Air conditioning systems take heat out of air. The air inside the car passing by the last “radiator” which absorbs the heat making the air exiting is feel colder.
Here's a rule my grandfather the mayor of Detroit during world war II in one of the actual forefathers of the Apollo rocket live this life by if you can't do better if you ain't done better or you don't got a better way just go ahead and keep your opinion to yourself cuz it ain't helping no one@@andoletube
There’s no such thing as “little but scoops/forces air into the intakes” Needs to be about 4” tall to really do any practical “scooping” and if need to go about 400+mph to get any actual forcing of air into the intake… They do need to put a scoop there but it’d be only for cosmetic reasons…and the hole needs to be larger …as it is it only allows about half that filter to work off “fresh outside air” and half from hot under hood air… They really need to cut back a bit on the front of the hood and bend it down to allow all “fresh” air in and minimize hot enough bay air…kinda like that fam shroud thing they mentioned not needing…ask the Miata about it, he got a fancy customs one for that car and it wasn’t just for looks
This is the perfect opportunity to put that Autozone Aisle 5 special hood scoop to good use😂 You really should cut the hole in the hood big enough so that none of it blocks the intakes, and then use the hood scoop to cover the hole
just cut 2 inch slits in line with the edges of the filter and then fold that piece down and then ad the scoop. that way it actually funnels the air onto the filter rather than letting it into the engine bay directly
The fan shroud for the radiator does make a significant difference in high stress situations. If you plan on taking the car to the track regularly, you should definitely run a fan shroud. If your plan is to have a street car that doesn't get beat on regularly, the shroud is optional, but keep in mind that you still might have cooling issues if it's too hot outside.
The fans really don't do as much when the car is moving, the air flowing through the front of the car does most of the cooling. They don't really need to shroud the fans, but they really should close the front end up and force the air through the radiator, cooler, and condenser.
I am currently in school for automotive mechanics, and just finished our units on HVAC. Your very brief explanation of an AC system was easier to understand and friendlier to the beginner to HVAC. Extreme props for the excellent explanation 👏
I love the sound of ITBs! I feel like they could’ve spent less on an 4 piston head, skunk2 ultra, cams, on e85 and make 300whp all motor and still have IACV making it easier to start the car. Especially in warmer climates… I couldn’t pull any of that
All tuner channels eventually arrive at this conclusion. Street cars are honestly garbage to modify, nothing is designed to be easy to replaced because it's all meant to go 200k+ miles before being changed. Buy a race kart or a real no-compromise tube frame race car if you want a track vehicle, then buy some sports car that suits your needs and limit mods to intake, exhaust, maybe a header, and maybe suspension.
@@nunyabusiness896 a big part of car tuning is just doing it for the fun of it. you can't have a cheap, fast and reliable car, you need to choose two of those.
The biggest issue is once you modify the cam. There are so many fuel trims people don't know how to modify and end up with a car that runs rough or dies as we saw here.
Love this build, I've been building Hondas for 20 years. IMO you guys would be a lot happier with this car going with RBC or nice Skunk 2 intake manifold. ITBS are super finicky. They really only like to run wide open throttle. That's why they work great on drag cars. I think you guys will keep the same power too. You don't have enough compression to get the good squeeze out of those ITBS
$50k into a civic and it still doesn't run right. That makes me almost feel a little better about my civic. That look on Adam's face at the first rip was wonderful, he looked like a kid in a candy store/ 6 flags.
You could do a dragster civic that is working perfectly in my country for $20K, the fact that it only pushes 230ish HP is just absurd to me....for 50K USD........
@@JABelms I think just getting it to work at this point is the goal better than stock. The next goal for these guys will be added hp later. Maybe another 30k to get 700hp….then1000 hp for who knows how much lol…either way..they have millions watching their channel…lol. I guarantee folks will watch these guys…and find ways to do the same stuff cheaper…because that is the goal of the process…for everyone.
@@easyalpha1 It just seems like a failed waste of money. I mean it costed me under 2K USD to make my Lancer's internals forged . This is a Civic, the most tuner car that has ever tuner, a stock K20 could easily get 250ish HP with a basic tune. Given that here in Asia we have more insight with working on these types of cars but 50K??? That's an EV here!
@@jordanvang9865 yeah I think this video was more about using as many high end products as possible, presumably ones they could get for free to advertise them. Ironically it just highlighted where you should actually spend your money!
Fun fact: an EG crash support (the part with the big piece of foam under the bumper) lines up perfectly to the bumper bolts for a 93 ZJ grand Cherokee lol
@@Ambrose4kthe good old “but on eBay the engine cost” let’s start with a new wiring harness and the aftermarket ecu that a new engine will require to run all the sensors and shit.
Huge like for the circuit breaker plug! You don't want to leave to chance and hope everything works out when you're running that many amps in your engine bay.
Watching Donut since the beginning, and looking at how far along the content, and the team has come from doing infotainment based videos, to now full on builds that constantly have us awaiting the next video is just pure bliss! Keep up the great work, guys! From presenters, production, camera crew and everyone involved! I think I can speak for everyone that's a part of this channel by saying we want to grow old watching Donut Media content!
they grew into liars with the builds . cant lie to the car community we actually build our cars so you cant sit there and lie about cost lol also they are in southern california honda parts mecca . there is an abundance of parts dirt cheap , currently the only engines in high demand and that are costly are old school single cam engines . k SERIES are dirt cheap
During the Pandemic, I remember hearing the news talking about shutting off your home A/C. To keep the air outside from getting in. Clearly people don’t understand how refrigeration works. 😂
From the past of huge audio systems in vehicles back in the mid 1990s, using a circuit breaker is more expensive at first, but you can always "reset" the circut!
I remember a conversation I had with a fellow Civic owner about how he could beat a Type R for less than what the MSRP of the FL5 is. I'm sending him this. And thank you for actually going to Willow Springs/Streets of Willow to compare, as opposed to a boring quarter mile run. These cars are meant for circuit racing.
I could see them building/restomodding, this hatchback into a like new looking car for well under $50,000 that could beat a modern 2023 type R....If they had just went with a turbo build.
Yeah sure but it's not just all about power now is it? The new civic has a nicer interior, nicer technology. This car in the video is literally just a straight race car.
I have to add a small correction, the A/C evaporator is there to allow the fan to blow air through the fins REMOVING heat from the cabin, the air comes out cooler but the actual process is about removing the heat and not just adding cold air to the cabin and combining it with the hot air already in the cabin (this is why you get water condensation that flows from a tube inside the cabin to be dropped outside the car it’s the warm air condensing and turning into water when the heat is removed) There really is no such thing as cold air “cold” is technically just an absence of heat
Yeah, I found it more confusing than anything tbh. I thought the point of a compressor was to release energy from the refrigerant because it’s unable to hold as much in a liquid state, then allow it to evaporate into a gas in a different location thereby absorbing thermal energy as it does so. Which in an ac application is absorbed from the air you blow past the fins
@@exo879they just needed to tune it. It’s not that it doesn’t start because of an issue, it literally just needs it’s computer to be updated to run. Zero elbow grease
Sounds about right... I'd like to see you guys do a video like this to an astro/safari. They're underrated but, there's a major mod community out there.
I got "Low Car" vibes when I saw the hood being cut (despite this probably being the "Highest Car" so far) Long live the Narwhal! 🤣 (I know you'll fix that though) I do want that muffler you installed though- that car sounds sick!
I'd be interested in seeing what you guys would do with $500 to spend to upgrade it, that's a little closer to real world if someone's going to spend $500 on a car. Cool video and keep at it, curious to see what comes out of this.
@@Ambrose4kwhat are you on about lol, 500 bucks could get you a rear sway bar, a short shift kit, poly bushings and maybe some adjustable front end links too. Not every worthwhile mod means horsepower gains.
@@orcastrike7750 you are really assuming every car is Miata, not every car has a short throw shift kit and sway bars 😂, if you got 500$ save it, your not tracking your car if you have 500$💀
@@Ambrose4k hell nah I’m not tracking it, I’m just throwing it around on backroads. One day I will thought, and those are necessary upgrades. And by the way, you’d be surprised what cars have performance parts for them. My car is a 2012 base model Ford Focus sedan and 500 bucks get me all of the things I mentioned. I already have the sway bar lmao.
@@orcastrike7750 my car is from the 80s and the aftermarket consists of junkyards, i would sure hope a car that had millions in sales would have a aftermarket, and if you are going to track your car the first mod would be an oil cooler
Great job as always!!! I love all the build videos but I love the how to videos so maybe consider doing a long how to on these types of vids and do a second release? Even on stuff you’ve shown before I always love seeing it explained and the process shown again especially on the various vehicles.
Guys, respectfully, you may want to put it on another dyno or consult with a different tuner. A k20 (r) with cams and itbs should be around 250whp on a dynapack. Stock k20 type r motors with an RBC intake usually make 230-240. Its possible the dyno reads lower than average, but 230 is particularly low for that combination.
They are running electric power steering that's taking up a LOT of amperage, on a factory alternator. Probably causing a good bit of drag on the engine, plus adding the new a/c compressor doesn't help.
@kylewise3111 eh I could see a 2-3hp loss from accessories, but not 20+. Also, ac clutch is disengaged when full throttle so it's not driving the compressor. And the power steering only draws amps when steering. On dyno neither ps or ac are putting significant load on the engine.
@dalelangevin4571 that's fair, I didn't think about that. I guess I was more thinking regular street driving where you'd see load like that, lol. That is a good bit to be off on the numbers then, maybe it's a fueling/tuning problem, could explain the car dying at the end of the video
@@AngySumoYeah I was surprised they never mentioned going to a larger Amp alternator. I'm wondering which has higher parasitic engine load. The normal power steering pump. Or high Amp electric pwr steering motor? If the E pump motor didn't run constantly & turned on when the wheels needed to turn sharp above a certain angle. Then it might be better.
Y'all should fab a hood so the intake is isolated from the under hood temperature as well as take advantage of some minor ram effects since its exposed anyway. Itll allow for something more solid in front of the filter as well so a rock doesn't pop through.
For 50k I’d think you could’ve gotten a WAY better engine swap just compromising with some of the other parts. Could’ve made this thing SO much faster and still just as rounded for that much money
Donut should do a series where they work on cars from the midwest, in the midwest, during winter. Working in the cold with rust is a different kind of difficult
The 5 second difference in track time is very respectable considering the type r is making 315 hp on a turbocharged engine and the 500 dollar civic is only now at 230hp naturally aspirated. I am excited to see the new lap times once the 50k non running car is back in action.
This is the most non threatening beast I’ve seen. 50k and a 11k stock v6 mustang will work it. Let alone me being less then 25k in mine and it’s got 520whp. That civic should be pretty much done for that amount of money they’re just wasting it
@Donut man I hope you guys posted that cooling simulation infographic on tiktok, that's the only time I've ever heard it properly explained, and the graphics work great, well done
God do I ever miss 9000+ rpm in my k20z1 (better than A btw), one of these days I will have another Honda project car, they so fun and great to work on, there's a worldly selection of parts to choose and nothing like it when Vtec kicks in yo.
Nooooooo!!!! I can't believe she died at the end. I honestly can't wait to see them make this EG all wheel drive. So many DIY bolt on kits out there. It's gonna be awesome. 😮I really hope you guy's do it. 😃👍
I would really love to see you guys do something with an early 2000s Pontiac G8. Such underloved and untalked about cars and id love to see what you guys could do with one
i’m assuming at the end that the power steering pump has too much draw for that alternator setup and the car ran off the battery until it ran out of battery juice
Explanation of the refrigeration cycle was slightly off though. The cycle actually removes heat from the surrounding air (inside the cab) by allowing the refrigerant to absorb the heat through the evaporator and then dump the heat into the outside environment (outside the cab) via the condenser.
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That Civic is Donut's highest paid employee.
haha foreal
Lmaoooaoo
😂😂😂
High subaru: hold my blown engine(s)
Also the best looking...😎
It's truely incredible how Donut manages to spend so much money modifying cars that don't run
No doubt. @AlexMartini goes on about modifying your car to ultimately make it less reliable
Still a better love story than Twilight
@@BaddDukk its almost like these car companies spend billions of dollars on engineering for a reason.
Isn’t that all of us though?
Guys always ask me the first mods to make when they get their first Mustang. I reply leave it stock. I've been through them all and there isn't one that wont make it look worse, drive worse, ride worse, or be less reliable. But they never listen until they make the mistakes for themselves.
50k to make 230hp non-running horses. That's kind of impressive honestly. It's great entertainment and a shining example of how tuner cars go wrong. I love the content, it's like watching a train wreck. Please don't stop putting it out.
Beat me to it . For 50k it better make closer to 800hp
Lol for real man. With that kind of money, it better be AWD and pushing at least 600hp with a dog box 😂.
It's NA. It'll never make even closer to the insane numbers forced induction makes, and it doesn't need to. The goal with NA is other... ;)
@@rhobson 50k in an NA honda should still be blowing way past 230hp.
@@rhobson230 hp is terrible for any modded k series. Even without boost
I went to school for HVAC, and you guys made the explanation of refrigeration process more digestible than most of the people teaching it for a living.
ngl I've had AC explained to me so many times and this video had me like "oooooooohhh I get it now"
mainly because they left alot out and mixed temperature with pressure a bunch
@@stevel.6046 as a physicist, yeah anytime these fucks try to talk science i have to skip the next few minutes because it is EMBARASSING.
american public school system strikes again
Honestly i had quite fair idea of hvac listening about it countless times from multiple youtubers but NOW it makes sense, i thought the fluid is expanding in evaporator and instead its expanding in check-valve or whatever that was
Should bought Craig migliacios basic refrigeration book. By the time I hit heat pumps (like the second set of 3 classes) I finally caved in and bought it but by then learned a lot just through TH-cam lmfao
Props to the editors for giving a perfect presentation on how the hvac system works
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5bruh shut up
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5Plastering your damn religion like temu ads, it's shameless...
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5
If heaven is full of people like you I'd believe I was in hell
@FURTIVEGESTURES i only use reddit for porn
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 you should watch the movie "Mosquito Coast". Lessons about HVAC and missionaries.
Absolutely love the video
I think i enjoy donut for not over glorifying the process of modifying these cars, and they show all the headaches you typically run into when you do more than just bolt ons! Good stuff guys
For sure. They don't sugar coat it and often go back and point out all the flaws with what they've done. I can really appreciate that.
@apollyon2578 I loved the money pit series a lot and this is almost like a better version but less of a tutorial
They are also one of the few big channels on TH-cam making normal builds, not a 2000hp civic
It´s never just bolt on. NEVER. In particular if it´s say that it´s bolt on.
This really shows you need a good platform and a direction for your build. If you don't know where you're supposed to end up, you get the worst of multiple worlds and the best of some
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57people still do that dumbshit?
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.57gay asf
That civic crying out loud
Which one is this?
this car is an amazing platform but oh god 😅
You guys managed to make a Honda unreliable! 😂 job well done boys
@@SchvennMeisterno sir, you don’t determine who wins the internet for the day bucko 👎 it wasn’t even funny or good enough of a comment for him to “win the internet” for the day 💯💯
@@TeewopShiesty nope. you're wrong.
@@SchvennMeister oh okay, i forgot that your opinion is factual. you must be the person who decides that anything is factual
@babycartier1 fact hondas are supposed to be reliable
No way that's probably cause he put a tiny battery in it
Nolan: "It's 5 second slower than a Civic Type R"
Also Nolan: "Today we gonna be installing air conditioning"
Yea wtf
🤣🤣🤣🤣 bro i heard him say that, paused and said somebody heard it too i know it. And here you are.
That's the joke, also the CTR has AC so it's only fair haha.
$50k on suspension + wheels a junkyard swap + driveshaft and ITB’s ???
These guys were ripped off
As if a compressor sucks power away from the engine 100% of the time? If you're racing, just turn the ac off, no big deal
You took the phrase "Polishing a turd" to a new level. And, I'm impressed!
Gahahaahahahahahahaahahahahah the green makes it more of a turd than ever
The EG was Gold all along…..
@@easyalpha1agreed. They opened the engine it came with and it looked brand spanking new. LOL.
Cheers.
Not really, just a diamond in the rough, these EG Civics are VERY capable if you modify them right.
@@joealex65 Still, 50k on a 500$ vehicle. It’s kinda crazy.
Although, if I had money to burn that sounds way more fun than buying an AMG. Too each their own, I guess.
Cheers mate!
Edit: fixed typo.
Thank you for not editing the issues and failures you encounter on a build. Donut has given me the confidence to take on big car projects and it's nice to know that I'm not cursed. These asinine issues are just common when you're wrenching. Thank you everyone at Donut, from the TH-cam channel to Past Gas and DRS (formerly 😢).
While I understand what you are trying to say here, these issues are not as common as this. Not by a long shot. They don't edit their issues out because they want to look honest and be all "hey we have problems too!". They don't edit them out because if they did, their videos would be either 3 minutes long or waiting months for a 10 minute video. The issues they have astonishes me as someone who does a ton of work in the performance car world. I have never seen or heard of anyone or any other shop having this many issues with the amount of money they throw into these projects. Don't use these guys for any sort of measurement or look up to them for any sort of sense of normal. Because they are not that at all.
with the amount of power the power steering system pulls i’d also recommend upgrading factory grounds and alternator positives, that factory alternator is going to struggle with all that amperage being pulled
If only they had just got a k24a2 could have done na 300hp for cheaper
@@Blazinmoney1801definitely, i’d say it’s probably dying due to the alternator struggling to keep up
ep3 alternator was at least 100amps if I remember right. They had electric power steering.
Lithium batteries will draw high amps when they are low as well
@@THEBLOODYBALLOON nah I think its fuel related. Sounds like the endgine is starving. They are able to restart it. but when they give it gas its bogging out/stalling.
i would love an 8 hour video with all these little animations from every video explaining everything about cars, like the whole thing bc yall make it so easy to understand. jobe literally taught me how to put coils on my car and i had 0 experience
except all the animations are wrong 😂
Haven't seen a single animation blatantly wrong. Simplified? Sure but nothing just straight up false.@@toiletgaming2005
they do in their early science garage videos
@toiletgaming2005 nah for the most part they're pretty spot on. The actual layout may be off but that was to generalize things, so I can understand why you would misinterpret that, it happens to people with low comprehension skills
@@toiletgaming2005 self proclaimed car enthusiasts when a fun animation isnt exact to the cars engine:
in loving memory of this honda civic ❤
shut up
ayo?
Go do your job
Damn… even TH-cam likes V-Tech.
Wait? 😮
the ac animation is absolutely brilliant
Yes minus one detail at the very end. Air conditioning systems take heat out of air. The air inside the car passing by the last “radiator” which absorbs the heat making the air exiting is feel colder.
theres about 1000 videos about ACs on youtube lol
If brilliant means ok, then yes, sure.
It sure was one of the animations ever
Here's a rule my grandfather the mayor of Detroit during world war II in one of the actual forefathers of the Apollo rocket live this life by if you can't do better if you ain't done better or you don't got a better way just go ahead and keep your opinion to yourself cuz it ain't helping no one@@andoletube
Should toss a little scoop over the filter, something low-profile but still enough to collect and force more air into the intakes
Subaru wrx scoop
@diegoganetemarin8358 that would mess with so many peoples heads and be hilarious
There’s no such thing as “little but scoops/forces air into the intakes”
Needs to be about 4” tall to really do any practical “scooping” and if need to go about 400+mph to get any actual forcing of air into the intake…
They do need to put a scoop there but it’d be only for cosmetic reasons…and the hole needs to be larger …as it is it only allows about half that filter to work off “fresh outside air” and half from hot under hood air…
They really need to cut back a bit on the front of the hood and bend it down to allow all “fresh” air in and minimize hot enough bay air…kinda like that fam shroud thing they mentioned not needing…ask the Miata about it, he got a fancy customs one for that car and it wasn’t just for looks
50K on a Civic with an outcome of 230hp and a dead engine... 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
Ik!!😂😂😂😂
Lmao yeah, I miss the old Donut content.
hope you guys are gonna get a hood with a sick ass scoop for a sweet ram air situation
My first thought was a scoop. Would fit perfect.
Cut more and scoop it would look sick
@@user-white007WRX scoop? Lol
For real let’s get a scoop on that baby
@@krakdaus5442 I have a 2015 STi and I wouldn't even be mad
This is the perfect opportunity to put that Autozone Aisle 5 special hood scoop to good use😂
You really should cut the hole in the hood big enough so that none of it blocks the intakes, and then use the hood scoop to cover the hole
just cut 2 inch slits in line with the edges of the filter and then fold that piece down and then ad the scoop. that way it actually funnels the air onto the filter rather than letting it into the engine bay directly
@@Mtlkat77 big brain over here!
Same thinking tho.
Literally came to the comments to say this lmaoo
@@MonsterMendez please tell me you call it the aisle 5 special too🤣🤣🤣
The fan shroud for the radiator does make a significant difference in high stress situations. If you plan on taking the car to the track regularly, you should definitely run a fan shroud. If your plan is to have a street car that doesn't get beat on regularly, the shroud is optional, but keep in mind that you still might have cooling issues if it's too hot outside.
The fans really don't do as much when the car is moving, the air flowing through the front of the car does most of the cooling. They don't really need to shroud the fans, but they really should close the front end up and force the air through the radiator, cooler, and condenser.
I am currently in school for automotive mechanics, and just finished our units on HVAC. Your very brief explanation of an AC system was easier to understand and friendlier to the beginner to HVAC. Extreme props for the excellent explanation 👏
The real question is how they got an eg hatch for $500
That's what I'm saying
No joke. I picked up a 96 hx recently for 1500 and thought I was getting a deal.
500 USD base model with really high kilometres
I think they bought it from some old lady with like 400k miles on it lol
They’re probably lying lol
I love the sound of ITBs! I feel like they could’ve spent less on an 4 piston head, skunk2 ultra, cams, on e85 and make 300whp all motor and still have IACV making it easier to start the car. Especially in warmer climates… I couldn’t pull any of that
That 4cyl just sounds like ass there is no way around it
I'm always surprised by how convincingly Donut argues to never mod your car and just buy what you want from the factory.
Well I’m surprised they always find the exact opposite thing to do “we need more power” throws an extra pulley on for AC
All tuner channels eventually arrive at this conclusion. Street cars are honestly garbage to modify, nothing is designed to be easy to replaced because it's all meant to go 200k+ miles before being changed. Buy a race kart or a real no-compromise tube frame race car if you want a track vehicle, then buy some sports car that suits your needs and limit mods to intake, exhaust, maybe a header, and maybe suspension.
@@nunyabusiness896 a big part of car tuning is just doing it for the fun of it. you can't have a cheap, fast and reliable car, you need to choose two of those.
The biggest issue is once you modify the cam. There are so many fuel trims people don't know how to modify and end up with a car that runs rough or dies as we saw here.
@@somedude2492i present to you: clk55 amg and 5th gen camaro ss
Love this build, I've been building Hondas for 20 years. IMO you guys would be a lot happier with this car going with RBC or nice Skunk 2 intake manifold. ITBS are super finicky. They really only like to run wide open throttle. That's why they work great on drag cars. I think you guys will keep the same power too. You don't have enough compression to get the good squeeze out of those ITBS
Yep
$50k into a civic and it still doesn't run right. That makes me almost feel a little better about my civic. That look on Adam's face at the first rip was wonderful, he looked like a kid in a candy store/ 6 flags.
The point is to find out how to make it work right…that’s the beauty of the product.
I'm curious what the labor costs would be.
You could do a dragster civic that is working perfectly in my country for $20K, the fact that it only pushes 230ish HP is just absurd to me....for 50K USD........
@@JABelms I think just getting it to work at this point is the goal better than stock. The next goal for these guys will be added hp later.
Maybe another 30k to get 700hp….then1000 hp for who knows how much lol…either way..they have millions watching their channel…lol. I guarantee folks will watch these guys…and find ways to do the same stuff cheaper…because that is the goal of the process…for everyone.
@@easyalpha1 It just seems like a failed waste of money. I mean it costed me under 2K USD to make my Lancer's internals forged . This is a Civic, the most tuner car that has ever tuner, a stock K20 could easily get 250ish HP with a basic tune. Given that here in Asia we have more insight with working on these types of cars but 50K??? That's an EV here!
$50,000.00 to only come out with 230 hp is crazy
10k could easily have made 400hp with a turbo
@@JayGee6996 you can do 400hp for 5k with a k20/24 turbod
@@jordanvang9865 yeah I think this video was more about using as many high end products as possible, presumably ones they could get for free to advertise them. Ironically it just highlighted where you should actually spend your money!
you gotta work hard to make Na power
That’s what I was thinking as well. Wow. I mean entertaining to watch but still…. Wow.
The lady behind you guys when the engine died must've screamed "Move that piece of shit out of the road" LOL.
Fun fact: an EG crash support (the part with the big piece of foam under the bumper) lines up perfectly to the bumper bolts for a 93 ZJ grand Cherokee lol
This is a good example of project creep, and why your project will always cost more than you expected
its so funny seeing people with no machinal experience thinking you can ls swap a car for 4k😂
@@Ambrose4kthe good old “but on eBay the engine cost” let’s start with a new wiring harness and the aftermarket ecu that a new engine will require to run all the sensors and shit.
Huge like for the circuit breaker plug! You don't want to leave to chance and hope everything works out when you're running that many amps in your engine bay.
I like how you have to explain why you need to run a filter when the track you take it to is literally in a desert! 😂
I'd say it don't matter where you are anyway, you should always run a filter!
Fancy seeing you over here J. How's the Civic?
One of my favorite series. Let’s go boys.
This is a terrible series. They’re literally just wasting money
@@malaki4519 what would you spent it on? food? probably pay hookers with it
@@malaki4519 so… just like all of us with project cars we love against all reason? Lol. Don’t be a wet blanket.
Small mod to add the air scoop from the subaru to the honda and get it painted to match the hood beautiful color
Watching Donut since the beginning, and looking at how far along the content, and the team has come from doing infotainment based videos, to now full on builds that constantly have us awaiting the next video is just pure bliss! Keep up the great work, guys! From presenters, production, camera crew and everyone involved!
I think I can speak for everyone that's a part of this channel by saying we want to grow old watching Donut Media content!
they grew into liars with the builds . cant lie to the car community we actually build our cars so you cant sit there and lie about cost lol also they are in southern california honda parts mecca . there is an abundance of parts dirt cheap , currently the only engines in high demand and that are costly are old school single cam engines . k SERIES are dirt cheap
@14:12 that laugh when realizing what a hunk of junk we made for 50k. Lmao Jesus.
its kinda crazy every car donut builds blows up
Volvo guy here, you don't want to run those pumps at full speed all the time like that, they should have PWM input from something for speed control.
During the Pandemic, I remember hearing the news talking about shutting off your home A/C. To keep the air outside from getting in. Clearly people don’t understand how refrigeration works. 😂
Its sad how many people let that shit change their life's for the worse
I’m beginning to think Donut doesn’t know how to build cars 😂😂😂
They just know how to spend money on parts that sound cool
From the past of huge audio systems in vehicles back in the mid 1990s, using a circuit breaker is more expensive at first, but you can always "reset" the circut!
I remember a conversation I had with a fellow Civic owner about how he could beat a Type R for less than what the MSRP of the FL5 is. I'm sending him this. And thank you for actually going to Willow Springs/Streets of Willow to compare, as opposed to a boring quarter mile run. These cars are meant for circuit racing.
I could see them building/restomodding, this hatchback into a like new looking car for well under $50,000 that could beat a modern 2023 type R....If they had just went with a turbo build.
Yeah a turbo b series would have made way more power for less money and beat the CTR.
@@michaelbrinks8089Or an engine swap...?
They could’ve changed a lot of things mostly what they spent on each thing
Yeah sure but it's not just all about power now is it? The new civic has a nicer interior, nicer technology. This car in the video is literally just a straight race car.
Y’all gotta put the civic and Miata head to head and see which one performs better
That hood deserves a mini hood scoop! 💯
Couldn’t be a donut video unless we had issues 😂
I have to add a small correction, the A/C evaporator is there to allow the fan to blow air through the fins REMOVING heat from the cabin, the air comes out cooler but the actual process is about removing the heat and not just adding cold air to the cabin and combining it with the hot air already in the cabin (this is why you get water condensation that flows from a tube inside the cabin to be dropped outside the car it’s the warm air condensing and turning into water when the heat is removed) There really is no such thing as cold air “cold” is technically just an absence of heat
Moisture is also removed from the cabin air, and dry air is pumped in. It's why the AC does such a good job "drying" windshields of condensation.
2 law of thermodynamics in action here. Heat transfers energy spontaneously from higher to lower temperature objects.
it's even funnier because Donut did a science garage episode with Bart explaining this exact thing
Yeah, I found it more confusing than anything tbh. I thought the point of a compressor was to release energy from the refrigerant because it’s unable to hold as much in a liquid state, then allow it to evaporate into a gas in a different location thereby absorbing thermal energy as it does so. Which in an ac application is absorbed from the air you blow past the fins
Keep the old OG civics alive!!!! The EG hatch is sexy still today
Had to click on this asap
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I'm amazed your list of stuff doesn't include "make it run"
Next time cutting hoods, make the relief cut and form metal back down around. Will protect it from eatting rain.
50k in for only 230hp and it doesn’t run well 😂😂😂 you guys are legends
$50k for 230hp!? It's honestly impressive that you were able to spend so much money and make so little gains.
fr like you can get a way faster car with 50k
I bought a 2004 v6 accord coupe for $4 and that thing BONE STOCK makes 205hp
the point isnt to get bang for the buck. its to have fun
@@Zender-the car doesn’t run what fun are they having
@@exo879they just needed to tune it. It’s not that it doesn’t start because of an issue, it literally just needs it’s computer to be updated to run. Zero elbow grease
fab a little scoop! cold air intake! more powa baby!
Still not enough, now 100k 😂
Sounds about right...
I'd like to see you guys do a video like this to an astro/safari. They're underrated but, there's a major mod community out there.
That ITB install was a massive step sideways..
I got "Low Car" vibes when I saw the hood being cut (despite this probably being the "Highest Car" so far) Long live the Narwhal! 🤣 (I know you'll fix that though) I do want that muffler you installed though- that car sounds sick!
"Highest Car" so far, you obviously forgot the subaru
I'd be interested in seeing what you guys would do with $500 to spend to upgrade it, that's a little closer to real world if someone's going to spend $500 on a car. Cool video and keep at it, curious to see what comes out of this.
that's the rice budget, maybe a hood scoop from auto zone
@@Ambrose4kwhat are you on about lol, 500 bucks could get you a rear sway bar, a short shift kit, poly bushings and maybe some adjustable front end links too. Not every worthwhile mod means horsepower gains.
@@orcastrike7750 you are really assuming every car is Miata, not every car has a short throw shift kit and sway bars 😂, if you got 500$ save it, your not tracking your car if you have 500$💀
@@Ambrose4k hell nah I’m not tracking it, I’m just throwing it around on backroads. One day I will thought, and those are necessary upgrades.
And by the way, you’d be surprised what cars have performance parts for them. My car is a 2012 base model Ford Focus sedan and 500 bucks get me all of the things I mentioned. I already have the sway bar lmao.
@@orcastrike7750 my car is from the 80s and the aftermarket consists of junkyards, i would sure hope a car that had millions in sales would have a aftermarket, and if you are going to track your car the first mod would be an oil cooler
The Tramp Stamp peeking out of the hood is 👌
Great job as always!!! I love all the build videos but I love the how to videos so maybe consider doing a long how to on these types of vids and do a second release?
Even on stuff you’ve shown before I always love seeing it explained and the process shown again especially on the various vehicles.
If you spend 10k on a k series you want to make more than 5 hp over a bolt ons tune build
This is the smallest return for 50k i've ever seen, good youtube content though
Guys, respectfully, you may want to put it on another dyno or consult with a different tuner. A k20 (r) with cams and itbs should be around 250whp on a dynapack. Stock k20 type r motors with an RBC intake usually make 230-240. Its possible the dyno reads lower than average, but 230 is particularly low for that combination.
They are running electric power steering that's taking up a LOT of amperage, on a factory alternator. Probably causing a good bit of drag on the engine, plus adding the new a/c compressor doesn't help.
@kylewise3111 eh I could see a 2-3hp loss from accessories, but not 20+. Also, ac clutch is disengaged when full throttle so it's not driving the compressor. And the power steering only draws amps when steering. On dyno neither ps or ac are putting significant load on the engine.
@dalelangevin4571 that's fair, I didn't think about that. I guess I was more thinking regular street driving where you'd see load like that, lol. That is a good bit to be off on the numbers then, maybe it's a fueling/tuning problem, could explain the car dying at the end of the video
@@AngySumoYeah I was surprised they never mentioned going to a larger Amp alternator.
I'm wondering which has higher parasitic engine load. The normal power steering pump. Or high Amp electric pwr steering motor?
If the E pump motor didn't run constantly & turned on when the wheels needed to turn sharp above a certain angle. Then it might be better.
Yes, they paid 50k to get something you can get with an intake and exhaust, something aint right.
12:52 the ap1 s2000 rpm meter was a nice touch 😊
I'd like to say money well spent, but I'd be lying.
2.9 million views says otherwise😂
Weird Volvo fans be like: did he just say it CAME FROM A VOLVO?!?!
Also dont forget the one-way valve on the line to the booster! Easy way to hold strong vacuum even if it comes from only a single source on the engine
Y'all should fab a hood so the intake is isolated from the under hood temperature as well as take advantage of some minor ram effects since its exposed anyway. Itll allow for something more solid in front of the filter as well so a rock doesn't pop through.
also, arguably more importantly, _it'll look cool_ 😎
@@SpaceMissile damn right brother
For 50k I’d think you could’ve gotten a WAY better engine swap just compromising with some of the other parts. Could’ve made this thing SO much faster and still just as rounded for that much money
Donut should do a series where they work on cars from the midwest, in the midwest, during winter. Working in the cold with rust is a different kind of difficult
You changed everything except for the body.
Does Zach have a hair care sponsorship yet? If not he really needs to have one, dude has a great mane that needs to be taken advantage of
Not to mention those blue Eyes. They're just mesmerizing
@@lucky889s9 can't get a hair care sponsorship for those though lol.
Can't lie, the Keeps breaking news segment ad was pretty genius
*_I almost (actually) miss when all of their ads were this creative_*
The 5 second difference in track time is very respectable considering the type r is making 315 hp on a turbocharged engine and the 500 dollar civic is only now at 230hp naturally aspirated. I am excited to see the new lap times once the 50k non running car is back in action.
Cover the filter with a mini hood scoop 😂
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I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone put a/c onto a project car, mad props
i love how these guys are making this car a beast love you guys
Are they, though?
Yeah, a swamp beast that's stuck in the mud lol
This is the most non threatening beast I’ve seen. 50k and a 11k stock v6 mustang will work it. Let alone me being less then 25k in mine and it’s got 520whp. That civic should be pretty much done for that amount of money they’re just wasting it
@@malaki4519 no one likes people that car, every TH-cam under the sun has bought that car
You know what would be a cool series, if you guys took a subscribers car and made a whole bunch of upgrades to their car , kinda of like pinp my ride🤔
Yeah, I'd love my 89 Ford van restomodded into a 4x4 campervan.
@Donut man I hope you guys posted that cooling simulation infographic on tiktok, that's the only time I've ever heard it properly explained, and the graphics work great, well done
@15:08 never cut the wire! Just undo the previous terminals and rewire it. Cutting thew wire makes no sense
I'll give you $600 for it 👀
50k should have you a nice semi built 500hp civic
You guys were ripped off on the mods 😂
If I spent $50k on car mods and it made 230 hp, I would kill myself.
How are you 50k deep into a car thats not boosted and will get gapped by a stock camry?
My thoughts exactly.. I guess the aesthetics really racked up the price.
The civic being the most iconic car on the channel it is a shame that it has the stock paint.
Cuz were all totally expecting it them to not paint or wrap it?
Such a waste of money. 230 HP is sad and If you would've built a car with a V8 you could easily get over 1000 HP.
God do I ever miss 9000+ rpm in my k20z1 (better than A btw), one of these days I will have another Honda project car, they so fun and great to work on, there's a worldly selection of parts to choose and nothing like it when Vtec kicks in yo.
Nooooooo!!!! I can't believe she died at the end. I honestly can't wait to see them make this EG all wheel drive. So many DIY bolt on kits out there. It's gonna be awesome. 😮I really hope you guy's do it. 😃👍
Truest/purest sounding issues/upgrades that do/maybe work/usually work for one of the greatest 4 tires adult legos ever created.
I would really love to see you guys do something with an early 2000s Pontiac G8. Such underloved and untalked about cars and id love to see what you guys could do with one
i just want to say that the donut media playlist in the crew motorfest is my favorit
i’m assuming at the end that the power steering pump has too much draw for that alternator setup and the car ran off the battery until it ran out of battery juice
I look forward to every one of these civic uploads.
God the cliffhanger at the end is UNREAL
Almost time to start changing them body panels!! 👀
Explanation of the refrigeration cycle was slightly off though. The cycle actually removes heat from the surrounding air (inside the cab) by allowing the refrigerant to absorb the heat through the evaporator and then dump the heat into the outside environment (outside the cab) via the condenser.
You know its a good doy when donut post❤😊 especially the honda ones😂
only channel where I enjoy the sponsored ads 😂
The editor deserves a raise, great stuff!
I always like the adds donut does.
Honestly, o wish everybody was so creative.
The camera flashes fuggin suuuucked tho