Very interesting that Hanlon describes the Legion's tactics at the First Battle at Hoover Dam as wave tactics similar to that of the actual Roman Empire's maniple system (youngest first, intermediate second, veterans at the rear). Leading up to and by the Second Battle, we see more of the Roman Empire's cohort system. The maniple system was used as a reaction to uneven terrain and hit-and-run tactics employed by smaller armies. On the other hand, the Cohort system helped when breaching deep into enemy territories with professional armies. I found it interesting then would Caesar would still allow them to use the maniple system against the NCR (as opposed to tribal armies where it would be most effective). This kinda leads into my theory that Boulder City was the straw that broke the camel's back with Caesar telling Graham to switch up his tactics the moment they started fighting against the NCR. Even though the Legion might have been winning battles, they weren't winning them cleanly. Even Hanlon states Graham was tactically inflexible so Caesar must have seen it first-hand at the war table. Hard to tell since we don't have more dialogue/lore around their relationship.
Pretty sure that the Caesar has given Graham rather clear instructions to take the Dam, in which he had succeeded, but Graham in his pursuit of total victory got legion absolutely slaughtered at the Boulder City.
Wrong, that system was not used by the Roman EMPIRE. What you described was the system of the legion before Gaius Marius reformed it in later years of the Republic.
He would be Caesar divi filius (son of the god Mars). Which was a title that Augustus actually used as he was the adoptive son of Julius Caesar who was made a god after his death.
@@Matt-vh2ci Makes sense, but as you said divi Filius refers to the god Julius Caesar instead of Mars, so I do wonder if Caesar would keep and base his claim of superiority through his self-created Cult of Mars instead of trying to adapt the general Roman pantheon. I would see though as to why not since he may have made things up to make his own simpler version of the Roman Empire. Personally though, it would be interesting if he didn't choose to be "Augustus Caesar" since Augustus was generally seen as the greatest and if not, at least one of the greatest emperors and the title of "Augustus" was seen as higher than "Caesar". Maybe Sallow's understanding of the Roman Empire is not as deep as we and especially he thinks?
@@antoniobautista6718 I wouldn't say that he has a bad understanding of the Roman Empire, maybe there aren't just enough sources available on the topic in the post apocalypse. He simply could have never read a book about Octavian, maybe he just read about Caesar's conquest of Gaul and his conquest of the Roman republic. Also the senate gave the title "Augustus" to Octavian, which at the time was called Julius Caesar as that was a condition of accepting Caesar's will. I also wonder if Caesar would make a senate out the ncr as a sort of synthesis of the two states. About the pantheon I think he will adopt the other deities after he conquers the ncr, the legion is now in a expansionist phase so it's logical to put Mars as the most important God. Also we must remember that according to the legion's religion it was Mars that wiped the slate clean so that his son Caesar could conquer and unite the world.
@@Matt-vh2ci True that as well. In a fashion very true to Augustus, Sallow has altered and changed past history to his liking in order for easy imperial control over the general populace. I do agree that it would definitely be interesting to see Caesar establish a Senate and how it would greatly affect the entire running of an entirely different type of governance. Instead of an entire slave legion, it would be a functioning house in which the land of Caesar would be represented and administrated by. I do also think it would make sense for him to include the other Roman gods and expanded the Cult of Mars, maybe it could help ever further with legitimizing the position of emperor in his Nova Imperium Romanum? Great insight and discussion with you by the way, would definitely want to see any other people's input on the matter as well.
@@antoniobautista6718 I wouldn't say that his style is similar to Augustus, during his time as emperor Octavian always tried to convince everyone that he was just the first citizen of the republic (with a lot of influence over the government), that is why he started the period called the principate. After the crisis of the third century emperors became more autocratic and looked more like kings, that period is called the dominate because emperors gained the title dominus, which means lord, a title that Augustus hated. I would argue that in universe sallow had very few sources about Rome, so he doesn't have a very clear picture of the Roman Empire, that is way he calls himself Caesar and acts like and emperor (even though Caesar was never one, just a dictator)
I wish we could see Caesar's synthesis: the strength and efficiency of the Legion military but toning down the nature of a savage roving warband and instead having a consolidated Rome with proper civilian infrastructure and political systems.
The problem with the Legion is that Caesar's army is loyal to him, not to his ideals. Therefore the Legion will collapse once he dies. And since the Legion's lands are free from raiders and feral ghouls, it will be very easy for the NCR to expand into Arizona and New Mexico.
Honestly I think he's just a autocratic with delusions of grandeur. He has a good vocabulary but no shit. He was one of the privileged in the ncr. Anyone with a real education sounds like that to people in the wasteland. I just don't think he has any idea how to set up a proper infrastructure. So he just told them technology is banned. You can easily think of Ceasar as someone with an education and trained his charisma. Yet only set up the legion as a band of brutal savages because he's to egotistical to admit he'd need help making something that isn't guys in Roman cosplay throwing spears
I think the House ending is the best ending with one of the main reasons being that his upgraded securitron army would help make New Vegas a buffer state in between the 2 larger powers and hopefully deter some future conflict
Only issue is that house doesn’t care for anywhere outside the strip, only time his securitrons leave is for his interest of monitoring or fighting off enemy forces, Vegas wouldn’t be safer but it would increase the security and power of the strip itself
@@M1istakenthat’s because unlike the other factions goals House isn’t focused on reclamation. He doesn’t believe the world can be rebuilt on a grand scale instead House wants an exodus to start again on a new world. Vegas as he calls it is a Blast Furnace to fuel resources for this future expedition
NV lore: Complex politics and realistic history between major and minor factions with disparate but understandable ideologies that echo the main themes of the franchise, with various shades of grey. Fallout 4 lore: we're smart and so we kidnap people and make everyone hate us despite being able to trade advanced technology for any resources we want for reasons you wouldn't understand.
@@WolfbloodJakeWilliamsthat is a horrible and incredibly disingenuous way to present the Institute. It's still not nearly as good as NV writing but you have completely bastardized it on purpose
@@primary2630No it really is just that stupid, the institute are comically evil, Shaun doesn't care about his parent while he claims to do so since he let you out as an 'experiment' and fully expected you to die, then he names you his successor which is laughable, someone who's practically a complete stranger to him and isn't a scientist and is an outsider is named the leader against the protest of the others. The institute is filled with scientists doing their own little projects but for zero purpose, they claim they wanted to help the commonwealth at first but it was a lost cause, them 'helping' was sending a synth to murder representatives of settlements who wanted to form their own government, even though they state they've given up on the rest of humanity they still murder and replace ppl with synths, why? No reason. They're the very epitome of 'We'll do whatever we want just cause we can'. Also why does Shaun pretend to hate Kellogg? Without him he wouldn't have become the leader of the institute? He clearly doesn't care about his parents so he wouldn't want revenge, Kellogg was just a tool to the institute.
LESS GO MY FAVOURITE FALLOUT TH-camR IS AT IT AGAIN! Seriously tho, I love how you give those conflicts more thought than majority of content creators I have seen. My only pseudo-criticism is that I wish you gave more spotlight to the morale part of the conflict and the extend of Frumentarii's actions. I know that you did that in your other video but Legion child soldiers, Frumentarii spies in NCR's highest positions and the general belief among NCR soldiers that the war against the Legion is hopeless are some of the often overlooked factors that really make this conflict interesting to analyse. But it is still very much worth a praise that you talked about some interesting stuff like Fort Ardesh. Those kind of little snipets make me wish we saw more of this war.
NCR should learn from the legion the value in using simpler technology for most of their soldiers, with the tech from the brotherhood and enclave being better for smaller squads with specific tasks
The average NCR soldier has a rifle, some basic armour, ammo pouches, a helmet, and presumably other misc kit a soldier would have. Anything less and they would be terribly under equipped, which they already are to an extent. It's not like every soldier has a pipboy and a suit of power armour.
NCR Troopers have the same equipment as prime legionaries. the difference is that legionaries have to earn their equipment while the NCR, by the time of New Vegas, are sending conscripts with 2 weeks of basic training who essentially are fodder for the better trained troops.
New Vegas needs a remaster. On a new and modern game engine imagine how much bigger the Mojave could be. The strip could be expanded with no gates in between and a more populated world and a more satisfying final battle at hoover dam
One thing iv always wondered was when Ceasar realized he had a fatal illness, why didn't he have a heir (maybe Vulpus for his wit taking out so many NCR outpost with minimal manpower) to carry the legion after his death. He could've taken out the legate behind closed certains and installed someone who wouldn't clash with his prodigie while keeping the mythos alive. Prehaps it was his arrogance that made the legion overreliant on the man himself which will likely lead to the legons downfall as he put all his chips on the dam.
Vulpes Inculta has his uses but he could never be Caesar let alone the Legate. Caesar knows how to be a leader more than anyone in the Legion which is why they're so lost when he is killed.
@@arintheseatsesh6242Vulpes is the only one that would have the brains and knowledge to lead. From battle tactics to intelligence tactics. He would have been taught most of it by Caesar, then no doubt researched more from ancient texts and holotapes being an intelligence gatherer. He wouldn't need to take Lanius out, Lanius was never interested in being Caesar. Lanius just lives to be a front line warrior. Vulpes is the only real logical successor. The only one that could really organise the Legion and know what he's doing.
@@colddaze6680Lucius is the only real moderate candidate we see. But vulpes could not lead a NV era legion. He and the entire frumentarii and generally distrusted and disliked by much of the legion. It's Caesars will that stops them from being killed. They are loose with their adherence to Caesarian doctrine and mingle with profligates and foreign tribes. Vulpes was nearly crucified before Caesar saved him. He isn't not a people person but he's not the leader type of people's person. He doesn't appear to have that confidence and bombast you need from a dictator of a bunch of reconditioned tribals. Vulpes could definitely form a triumvirate of power with Lanius as the head, lucius as the body stopping the other two from killing eachother and Vulpes as the brain and potential main source for any sort of reform. Nonetheless the point is Vulpes requires Caesars protection, without it he is under constant danger from paranoid and mentally repressed legionaries and centurions. Remember though its significantly implied there are other Legates in the legion. While these are the big three and the presumptive successors they are not the only ones just like irl just because Caesar died Gnaeus Pompeius and the conspirators were still factors in the succession of roman authority requiring two civil wars to subdue and lots of negotiating and even then the triumvirate broke down leading to its own civil war.
@@ultra-papasmurf Well put.You really thought that one out, and know your ancient Roman lore as well as your Fallout lore. Tbf I'm not that knowledgeable on the social, military order of the Legion. Yeah Lucius makes a far better candidate when you mention all that.
Arguably, without the couriers intervention Caesar would fall victim to his illness. A bloodthirsty Lanius heading the Legion would surely lead to a disadvantagous assault on the dam, as he isn't headstrong in battle tactics, more so just brute killings. Bids for power amongst the legion would also break out, causing the overall military unit to be weakened just as the NCR is weakened through civilian military units, low morale, and lack of effective equipment. Overall, I believe house has the greatest chance of winning, but again that is subject to the courier. FNV is such a good game in that all three parties are equally disadvantaged, and our actions directly turn the tide for whatever party we side with!
@awnash9223 if that was what Caesar was planning, it's most likely he told no one. So we're looking at a Ned stark being Lord Regent after Robert's death type situation. Lanius being cersei of course. Lol The legion itself with their views would see the courier as a weak profligate, needing chems and guns and ammo to do his fighting. As the courier, we may gain the respect of the legion, but we ultimately leave it's ideals behind once we leave the fort and get all our drugs back 💀
@@mindlessdillan House himself calculates 70% chance for legion victory. He doesn't even know most of the three families are betraying him. He would get nothing done without the courier. Chief Hanlon also admits that the NCR is likely going to lose. What's more, without the courier, Ulysses will bomb Long 15. With Long 15 destroyed, no more supply lines for the NCR. The NCR is already having trouble holding the Mojave because The Divide route became unusable. They are undermanned and undersupplied. If they lose Long 15 too, then it's pretty much over. As for leadership, Lanius is more than just a blood thirsty brute. He talks about how this war is making their eastern borders soft, and he can even be convinced to rearm. This shows that he looks at the legion at a larger scope, not just a brute fighter. There will be no bid for military power, at least not until the comment above's concern is over(2nd battle for the dam). This is because Lanius is seen as a great hero, like a living Hercules. The legion admires, respects, and fears him. They will follow him to battle for sure, and win that second battle. If anything, it's the ncr and house that's having trouble in leadership. Chief Hanlon and General Lee Oliver don't get along and don't even see eye to eye for tactical planning. Oh and, their president will die. Democracy means that'd be a time for political parties to compete. On the other hand, House's allies are backstabbing him, and pretty successfully at that without the courier's intervention. And just to really hammer down Legion victory without the courier's intervention, the Legion are pretty successful in winning over the tribes and turning them against the NCR. Even tribes/gangs that aren't allied with the ncr are fighting the ncr.
@@mindlessdillanlegate lanuies however despite bieng spoken as a bloodthirsty brute, has a unique ability to smell weakness for defenses which was what make him very successful, however this would be with heavy casualties.
@@jonathanwatson4484 not the months later reply 😭 yes lanius ultimately would lack the tactician mindset to save a lot of manpower. But vulpes could come in handy with that. It's hard to say what would happen but it's fun to speculate
hey yaboii, could you do a video on the Legion use of energy weapons and other types of technology? Caesar having his auto-doc, 2 legionaries running with a laser pistol at the beggining cutscene, them dealing with the van graffs, the legionaries at dry wells using stealth boys and so on
Tbh, I would love to see an alternative scenario in which the battle for the Divide would have never happened, how would that have affected the war between the NCR and the Legion?
Tbh I think NCR Is canon ending because they have 3 games a playerbase favourite (Fallout Discord Vote) and just better equipment like power armor and an air force
the factions is what made FONV the #1 RPG of all time why up to now no one can make a faction game how hard would it be just look at the factions in starfield ,
It's wrong to state that The Divide occurring was more beneficial to The Legion than The NCR, had the Legion been able to have their additional forces present at the First Battle of Hoover Dam it's very likely that even with Boulder City occurring as it did that due to the massive amount of numbers that The Legion possessed above the likes of The NCR (as it has always been stated that The Legion's military might is more plentiful than The NCR's forces) wouldn't cause nearly as much disarray to the point that the then fledgling amount of soldiers by comparison wouldn't be able to be dealt with. It would have been a harsh victory but this time for The Legion. Even were The Divide not to happen, it would have been a deathtrap for The NCR to attempt to use that as a way to enter The Legion's Base of Operations as in close quarters combat The Legion is supreme.
Manpower doesn't win wars. Resources and equipment do. Without crippling the NCR's only other supply line into the Mojave the Legion would never be able to survive a prolonged conflict.
@@duncanhoward6648 That's certifiably false as despite having superior resources and equipment, The NCR were going to lose to The Legion had A. The Divide incident not occurred and B. Had Graham's tactic didn't false as a result of it leading to Hanlan's Boulder City Strategy working. Not to mention that the Brotherhood of Steel had superior weaponry and a grounded in defense at Helios One, what let the NCR win against them was what? Superior numbers, this is stated constantly that the NCR was able to throw more bodies at the problem. Now the NCR is dealing with the same tactic, The Legion has much more bodies to throw at the NCR than the they can deal with, even with them getting more troops and Rangers in Camp McCarran. Hell they can't even deal with the Fiends let alone The Legion. You have no idea what you're talking about.
The NCR is not actually democratic though. This is like the main criticism they face in the game. Pre-war USA was also not really democratic, same as our own US in reality is not actually democratic. Fallout has been illustrating and critiquing this since the first game. NCR is definitely better than the Legion, but not by a whole lot. They're both deeply authoritarian states. The real ideological conflict is not between democracy and autocracy, it's between autocracy and oligarchy. Same as the real life US.
This actually isn't the case for the NCR, there's a lot of corruption but the people still hold the exact control ass seen by when you bring evidence about the destruction of Cass's caravan. It's corrupt sure but it's not to the point of oligarchs ruling in a shadow council
@@misternibbles7426 My personal belief is they lost the second battle and were forced to focus more on California and less on other states, but plan to return when they finally get rid of their corruption and get a new competent president who doesn't give brahmin barons power (maybe even a civil war would happen?). If House won then they may never return seeing him as more of a bonus than a threat, his robots when upgraded are op, if the Legion won then they might be forced on the defensive, but the Legion cannot conquer California, its logistically impossible. I'd say the same thing about the NCR only to a lesser degree, they might be able to make it to Flagstaff if they invade the Legion, but that's about it. Legion will make it far but won't make it to Shady Sands. Only internal conflict will destroy either nation. And if Yes Man won.. well, that's the least likely victory out of them all. Anarchy doesn't last long.
@@generaltobias3777 I kind of agree. The NCRs incompetence is their downfall. They have the manpower, economy and industry to take the dam. However, the legion seems to be in a better spot than the NCR during NV, but I don't think they can hold it. I totally agree that House and Yes Man are basically non-factors, specifically Yes Man.
dont you wanna make content about hoi4 owb? (fallout mod) beacsue there is some interting stroy to. + already stories like the legon is also can see how play out! and of cousre a great mod. edit: you + ?
Don't know what your audio setup is but it needs an upgrade or tweaking. Just got done watching a vid that I had to have the volume at under 50% to avoid blowing out my eardrums. Started up your video and had to put it at 100% to hear you. Now granted I am literally going def as I get older so for other folk you may sound fine. But to me your voice in this vid sounds muffled.
I've got him at 50%. The other video you were watching must've been a Commercial on Cable, haha I'd recommend increasing your PC volume, and then adjust TH-cam Volume to more comfortable levels
@@AlyssMa7rin pc vol at 90% TH-cam at 100% and external speakers running at 90% and I can still barely hear him. Other videos on the site even some of his this lvl would be Loud AF. So I dunno what the hell is going on?!?
@@DeathclawJedi Might be the mixing. I've noticed that his videos are Stereo, so if you're running '5.1' or something like that, one of the channels could be bad If that's not it, could just be an oddity for External Speakers vs Headphones. Try doing an Audio Troubleshoot, or opening your Realtek Console (assuming you're on windows, and not using branded speakers)
@@AlyssMa7rin Good tip. In headphones he is clear as a bell and for some odd reason the majority of his Audio is coming from my right Rear speaker as it appears to be not functional after a sound test. Speaker is fine as I swapped it out to a forward right and it worked fine on the test Just the right rear chnl is down. Normally Sound is primarily on the center and forward Left and right speakers so yeah something screwy happened here.
"War never changes" is the most ignorant take I've ever heard. War has changed not just in how we fight it but why. Gone are the days of bashing each other in lines with sharp sticks for resources or ideals. Now we fight for reasons we're not allowed to know with weapons so advanced that the weapons themselves do more fighting than any human. Not only does war change but it changes regularly, quickly and completely without mercy. The Legion, a faction within the fallout setting completely disprove the series thesis statement. They go from small raiding tribes in small rival conflicts. To complex mixed unit tactics applied to a doctrine of total war against their foes. I know the tagline sounds very deep but it is wrong and fails to hold water against what's shown in the series itself and human history.
bro is terrible at telling these. I also tried watching the ncr vs brotherhood video and was so bored all the through both these videos I learned nothing.
You really don't like the Ncr or the Brotherhood do you? Seriously all your videos talk about how everyone else including Mr house and the Legion are better.... I don't understand people like you who think that dictatorship and technochrasy is better than order and stability. I guess paying taxes is that bad. If you are willing talk to raven Knights. He understands what is the best faction for the people.
Dictatorship is order and stability, even more so with Mr. House. NCR as we've seen in NV is far from stable and orderly. Brotherhood is for the most part stable, but only in their bunkers. I don't think he ever says the Legion is better he acknowledged slavery and how the cruelty of the Legion is a hard price to pay for the order that the Legion brings. But I do remember him saying Mr. House was the best choice for the Mojave, which is arguably true.
@generaltobias3777 No Mr house cares only about himself and his plan to go into space with NO resources is ludicrous. And even if he improves life for the mohavi then what happens for the rest of the west coast or even America. He just leaves them to their fates. That's not helpful. Plus, he can get into a coma again with a simple malfunction. As many problems as democracy has, to quote admiral Halsey from the orville 'all other forms of government are even worse. Over countless years and nations, it is the best system anyone has ever come up with to ensure the strong don't dominate the week, at least not for very long.' Raven knight has an excellent video explaining why Mr house's plan fails but I will say that he is the second best option that can easily be improved with a few twicks. The Ncr is like America in Vietnam or Russia in Ukraine, War fatigued and demoralised, but does this mean they are not powerful, HELL NO. All they need is a little help and you can give it to them so they can help other people.
The NCR isn't stable or orderly at all though. It's heavily implied to be a corrupt plutocracy with an inflated currency, deteriorating climate, and more dangerous roads than the ones in the Legion.
@Soyu-Sojojarkkii You know it's amazing you are wrong in every single word you said. I mean, nothing was right, to quote kermit. First of nothing you said is denied. The economy is inflated because the war with the brotherhood destroyed their gold reserves. The war with the Legion certainly didn't help either. Second, the roads are dangerous because the Legion and the Fiends that work with them continue to harass caravans. And yes, recently, some personnel in the administration have been promoted due to political backing and not their skills (looking at you, General Oliver). However, there are people who are capable and resourceful, like Colonel Hsu or ambassador Crooker, who just want to help the people and are willing to put differences with mortal enemies aside for the greater good. Now if the Ncr wins the war in the mohavi the economy can thrieve again due to uninterrupted and safe trade. As for the climate, I hope you mean the political climate and not the literal climate, because that's not an excuse. Bottom line if you don't help the Ncr they will not survive in the Mohavi but they will still survive. The other parties will collapse due to their shoresideness and internal problems.
@nikoskn1252 I'm completely right, though. The cause of the NCRs inflation doesn't matter. it's still a destabilizing issue impacting the NCRs economy and society. It's also heavily implied in-game by Dale Barton that the roads in the NCR are far less safe than the ones in Legion held territories like Arizona, including NCR roads outside of the Mojave warzone where the fiends and Legion have no influence. "Between having to hire protection and getting slapped with taxes, it's more profitable to stick to Arizona and New Mexico. But, I do cross the river from time to time when an opportunity comes along". There's no sign that the leadership in the NCR are going to improve either. By the time the events of NV take place, important members of the NCR military like Chief Hanlon are demoralized enough with the civilian leadership to actively sabatoge the war effort.
5:30 so I didn’t know the legion had kid models and I rolled into that camp with to destroy them if only I was there they wouldn’t be using kids anymore .. oopsies
Yes finally the war between the Bear and the Bull is covered by our glorious lore connoisseur Yabboii.
Easily one of the best fallout nv youtubers
Very interesting that Hanlon describes the Legion's tactics at the First Battle at Hoover Dam as wave tactics similar to that of the actual Roman Empire's maniple system (youngest first, intermediate second, veterans at the rear). Leading up to and by the Second Battle, we see more of the Roman Empire's cohort system. The maniple system was used as a reaction to uneven terrain and hit-and-run tactics employed by smaller armies. On the other hand, the Cohort system helped when breaching deep into enemy territories with professional armies. I found it interesting then would Caesar would still allow them to use the maniple system against the NCR (as opposed to tribal armies where it would be most effective). This kinda leads into my theory that Boulder City was the straw that broke the camel's back with Caesar telling Graham to switch up his tactics the moment they started fighting against the NCR. Even though the Legion might have been winning battles, they weren't winning them cleanly. Even Hanlon states Graham was tactically inflexible so Caesar must have seen it first-hand at the war table. Hard to tell since we don't have more dialogue/lore around their relationship.
Pretty sure that the Caesar has given Graham rather clear instructions to take the Dam, in which he had succeeded, but Graham in his pursuit of total victory got legion absolutely slaughtered at the Boulder City.
Although the maniple system had been largely abandoned after the Marian Reforms, 50 some years before Caesars Gallic campaigns.
Wrong, that system was not used by the Roman EMPIRE. What you described was the system of the legion before Gaius Marius reformed it in later years of the Republic.
" Roman Empire's maniple system" *Roman Republic.
Caesar probably didn't do the tactics himself that's why he has legates
I always wondered, would Caesar name himself Augustus if he could successfully establish his dream of empire?
He would be Caesar divi filius (son of the god Mars). Which was a title that Augustus actually used as he was the adoptive son of Julius Caesar who was made a god after his death.
@@Matt-vh2ci Makes sense, but as you said divi Filius refers to the god Julius Caesar instead of Mars, so I do wonder if Caesar would keep and base his claim of superiority through his self-created Cult of Mars instead of trying to adapt the general Roman pantheon. I would see though as to why not since he may have made things up to make his own simpler version of the Roman Empire.
Personally though, it would be interesting if he didn't choose to be "Augustus Caesar" since Augustus was generally seen as the greatest and if not, at least one of the greatest emperors and the title of "Augustus" was seen as higher than "Caesar". Maybe Sallow's understanding of the Roman Empire is not as deep as we and especially he thinks?
@@antoniobautista6718 I wouldn't say that he has a bad understanding of the Roman Empire, maybe there aren't just enough sources available on the topic in the post apocalypse.
He simply could have never read a book about Octavian, maybe he just read about Caesar's conquest of Gaul and his conquest of the Roman republic.
Also the senate gave the title "Augustus" to Octavian, which at the time was called Julius Caesar as that was a condition of accepting Caesar's will. I also wonder if Caesar would make a senate out the ncr as a sort of synthesis of the two states.
About the pantheon I think he will adopt the other deities after he conquers the ncr, the legion is now in a expansionist phase so it's logical to put Mars as the most important God.
Also we must remember that according to the legion's religion it was Mars that wiped the slate clean so that his son Caesar could conquer and unite the world.
@@Matt-vh2ci True that as well. In a fashion very true to Augustus, Sallow has altered and changed past history to his liking in order for easy imperial control over the general populace. I do agree that it would definitely be interesting to see Caesar establish a Senate and how it would greatly affect the entire running of an entirely different type of governance. Instead of an entire slave legion, it would be a functioning house in which the land of Caesar would be represented and administrated by. I do also think it would make sense for him to include the other Roman gods and expanded the Cult of Mars, maybe it could help ever further with legitimizing the position of emperor in his Nova Imperium Romanum? Great insight and discussion with you by the way, would definitely want to see any other people's input on the matter as well.
@@antoniobautista6718 I wouldn't say that his style is similar to Augustus, during his time as emperor Octavian always tried to convince everyone that he was just the first citizen of the republic (with a lot of influence over the government), that is why he started the period called the principate. After the crisis of the third century emperors became more autocratic and looked more like kings, that period is called the dominate because emperors gained the title dominus, which means lord, a title that Augustus hated.
I would argue that in universe sallow had very few sources about Rome, so he doesn't have a very clear picture of the Roman Empire, that is way he calls himself Caesar and acts like and emperor (even though Caesar was never one, just a dictator)
5:36 That’s a fantastic quote.
I wish we could see Caesar's synthesis: the strength and efficiency of the Legion military but toning down the nature of a savage roving warband and instead having a consolidated Rome with proper civilian infrastructure and political systems.
The problem with the Legion is that Caesar's army is loyal to him, not to his ideals. Therefore the Legion will collapse once he dies. And since the Legion's lands are free from raiders and feral ghouls, it will be very easy for the NCR to expand into Arizona and New Mexico.
The Romans were savage looters it's well documented
I just don't see it working like how he planned, especially since he would likely die from his tumour
Honestly I think he's just a autocratic with delusions of grandeur. He has a good vocabulary but no shit. He was one of the privileged in the ncr. Anyone with a real education sounds like that to people in the wasteland. I just don't think he has any idea how to set up a proper infrastructure. So he just told them technology is banned.
You can easily think of Ceasar as someone with an education and trained his charisma. Yet only set up the legion as a band of brutal savages because he's to egotistical to admit he'd need help making something that isn't guys in Roman cosplay throwing spears
I think the House ending is the best ending with one of the main reasons being that his upgraded securitron army would help make New Vegas a buffer state in between the 2 larger powers and hopefully deter some future conflict
Only issue is that house doesn’t care for anywhere outside the strip, only time his securitrons leave is for his interest of monitoring or fighting off enemy forces, Vegas wouldn’t be safer but it would increase the security and power of the strip itself
@@M1istakenthat’s because unlike the other factions goals House isn’t focused on reclamation. He doesn’t believe the world can be rebuilt on a grand scale instead House wants an exodus to start again on a new world. Vegas as he calls it is a Blast Furnace to fuel resources for this future expedition
Fallout nv lore doesn’t have to go this hard
NV lore: Complex politics and realistic history between major and minor factions with disparate but understandable ideologies that echo the main themes of the franchise, with various shades of grey.
Fallout 4 lore: we're smart and so we kidnap people and make everyone hate us despite being able to trade advanced technology for any resources we want for reasons you wouldn't understand.
@@WolfbloodJakeWilliamsthat is a horrible and incredibly disingenuous way to present the Institute. It's still not nearly as good as NV writing but you have completely bastardized it on purpose
@@primary2630 If you ask Shaun why the institute does evil things he literally says "you wouldn't understand".
@@primary2630No it really is just that stupid, the institute are comically evil, Shaun doesn't care about his parent while he claims to do so since he let you out as an 'experiment' and fully expected you to die, then he names you his successor which is laughable, someone who's practically a complete stranger to him and isn't a scientist and is an outsider is named the leader against the protest of the others. The institute is filled with scientists doing their own little projects but for zero purpose, they claim they wanted to help the commonwealth at first but it was a lost cause, them 'helping' was sending a synth to murder representatives of settlements who wanted to form their own government, even though they state they've given up on the rest of humanity they still murder and replace ppl with synths, why? No reason. They're the very epitome of 'We'll do whatever we want just cause we can'. Also why does Shaun pretend to hate Kellogg? Without him he wouldn't have become the leader of the institute? He clearly doesn't care about his parents so he wouldn't want revenge, Kellogg was just a tool to the institute.
LESS GO MY FAVOURITE FALLOUT TH-camR IS AT IT AGAIN!
Seriously tho, I love how you give those conflicts more thought than majority of content creators I have seen.
My only pseudo-criticism is that I wish you gave more spotlight to the morale part of the conflict and the extend of Frumentarii's actions. I know that you did that in your other video but Legion child soldiers, Frumentarii spies in NCR's highest positions and the general belief among NCR soldiers that the war against the Legion is hopeless are some of the often overlooked factors that really make this conflict interesting to analyse.
But it is still very much worth a praise that you talked about some interesting stuff like Fort Ardesh. Those kind of little snipets make me wish we saw more of this war.
You have a very relaxing voice to
Listen to, good video
NCR should learn from the legion the value in using simpler technology for most of their soldiers, with the tech from the brotherhood and enclave being better for smaller squads with specific tasks
"The more crutches you have, the more it hurts when they're kicked out from under you."
The average NCR soldier has a rifle, some basic armour, ammo pouches, a helmet, and presumably other misc kit a soldier would have. Anything less and they would be terribly under equipped, which they already are to an extent. It's not like every soldier has a pipboy and a suit of power armour.
What tech does a ncr soldier have?
@@cloaker2829 gun
NCR Troopers have the same equipment as prime legionaries. the difference is that legionaries have to earn their equipment while the NCR, by the time of New Vegas, are sending conscripts with 2 weeks of basic training who essentially are fodder for the better trained troops.
New Vegas needs a remaster. On a new and modern game engine imagine how much bigger the Mojave could be. The strip could be expanded with no gates in between and a more populated world and a more satisfying final battle at hoover dam
That would be a remake, but yeah. That'd be sweet.
This channel deserves so much more recognition. Keep it up man. You’re gonna be the top fallout TH-camr one of these days.
One thing iv always wondered was when Ceasar realized he had a fatal illness, why didn't he have a heir (maybe Vulpus for his wit taking out so many NCR outpost with minimal manpower) to carry the legion after his death. He could've taken out the legate behind closed certains and installed someone who wouldn't clash with his prodigie while keeping the mythos alive. Prehaps it was his arrogance that made the legion overreliant on the man himself which will likely lead to the legons downfall as he put all his chips on the dam.
Vulpes Inculta has his uses but he could never be Caesar let alone the Legate. Caesar knows how to be a leader more than anyone in the Legion which is why they're so lost when he is killed.
@@arintheseatsesh6242Vulpes is the only one that would have the brains and knowledge to lead. From battle tactics to intelligence tactics. He would have been taught most of it by Caesar, then no doubt researched more from ancient texts and holotapes being an intelligence gatherer. He wouldn't need to take Lanius out, Lanius was never interested in being Caesar. Lanius just lives to be a front line warrior. Vulpes is the only real logical successor. The only one that could really organise the Legion and know what he's doing.
@@colddaze6680Lucius is the only real moderate candidate we see. But vulpes could not lead a NV era legion. He and the entire frumentarii and generally distrusted and disliked by much of the legion. It's Caesars will that stops them from being killed. They are loose with their adherence to Caesarian doctrine and mingle with profligates and foreign tribes. Vulpes was nearly crucified before Caesar saved him. He isn't not a people person but he's not the leader type of people's person. He doesn't appear to have that confidence and bombast you need from a dictator of a bunch of reconditioned tribals. Vulpes could definitely form a triumvirate of power with Lanius as the head, lucius as the body stopping the other two from killing eachother and Vulpes as the brain and potential main source for any sort of reform. Nonetheless the point is Vulpes requires Caesars protection, without it he is under constant danger from paranoid and mentally repressed legionaries and centurions. Remember though its significantly implied there are other Legates in the legion. While these are the big three and the presumptive successors they are not the only ones just like irl just because Caesar died Gnaeus Pompeius and the conspirators were still factors in the succession of roman authority requiring two civil wars to subdue and lots of negotiating and even then the triumvirate broke down leading to its own civil war.
@@ultra-papasmurf Well put.You really thought that one out, and know your ancient Roman lore as well as your Fallout lore. Tbf I'm not that knowledgeable on the social, military order of the Legion. Yeah Lucius makes a far better candidate when you mention all that.
It’s said, War never changes… Men do… through the roads they walk…
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Without the intervention of the courier the NCR soundly looses the second battle
Arguably, without the couriers intervention Caesar would fall victim to his illness. A bloodthirsty Lanius heading the Legion would surely lead to a disadvantagous assault on the dam, as he isn't headstrong in battle tactics, more so just brute killings.
Bids for power amongst the legion would also break out, causing the overall military unit to be weakened just as the NCR is weakened through civilian military units, low morale, and lack of effective equipment.
Overall, I believe house has the greatest chance of winning, but again that is subject to the courier. FNV is such a good game in that all three parties are equally disadvantaged, and our actions directly turn the tide for whatever party we side with!
@awnash9223 if that was what Caesar was planning, it's most likely he told no one. So we're looking at a Ned stark being Lord Regent after Robert's death type situation. Lanius being cersei of course. Lol
The legion itself with their views would see the courier as a weak profligate, needing chems and guns and ammo to do his fighting. As the courier, we may gain the respect of the legion, but we ultimately leave it's ideals behind once we leave the fort and get all our drugs back 💀
@@mindlessdillan House himself calculates 70% chance for legion victory. He doesn't even know most of the three families are betraying him. He would get nothing done without the courier. Chief Hanlon also admits that the NCR is likely going to lose.
What's more, without the courier, Ulysses will bomb Long 15. With Long 15 destroyed, no more supply lines for the NCR. The NCR is already having trouble holding the Mojave because The Divide route became unusable. They are undermanned and undersupplied. If they lose Long 15 too, then it's pretty much over.
As for leadership, Lanius is more than just a blood thirsty brute. He talks about how this war is making their eastern borders soft, and he can even be convinced to rearm. This shows that he looks at the legion at a larger scope, not just a brute fighter.
There will be no bid for military power, at least not until the comment above's concern is over(2nd battle for the dam). This is because Lanius is seen as a great hero, like a living Hercules. The legion admires, respects, and fears him. They will follow him to battle for sure, and win that second battle.
If anything, it's the ncr and house that's having trouble in leadership. Chief Hanlon and General Lee Oliver don't get along and don't even see eye to eye for tactical planning. Oh and, their president will die. Democracy means that'd be a time for political parties to compete.
On the other hand, House's allies are backstabbing him, and pretty successfully at that without the courier's intervention.
And just to really hammer down Legion victory without the courier's intervention, the Legion are pretty successful in winning over the tribes and turning them against the NCR. Even tribes/gangs that aren't allied with the ncr are fighting the ncr.
@@mindlessdillanlegate lanuies however despite bieng spoken as a bloodthirsty brute, has a unique ability to smell weakness for defenses which was what make him very successful, however this would be with heavy casualties.
@@jonathanwatson4484 not the months later reply 😭 yes lanius ultimately would lack the tactician mindset to save a lot of manpower. But vulpes could come in handy with that. It's hard to say what would happen but it's fun to speculate
Yay new vegas video
love your videos, and the topic here is a classic. I'd love a prequel mod/story/game that goes into the arizonas
hey yaboii, could you do a video on the Legion use of energy weapons and other types of technology? Caesar having his auto-doc, 2 legionaries running with a laser pistol at the beggining cutscene, them dealing with the van graffs, the legionaries at dry wells using stealth boys and so on
Tbh, I would love to see an alternative scenario in which the battle for the Divide would have never happened, how would that have affected the war between the NCR and the Legion?
3:22 Swimming? Him? Lmao!😂
Bruh 😭
I really hope we see the NCR (or Minutemen) again, hopefully Bethesda didn't ruin them in favor of the Western BoS...
Gonna call yaboii maboii from now on coz he’s my boy when it comes to fallout
We won’t go quietly, Legion can count on that.
Tbh I think NCR Is canon ending because they have 3 games a playerbase favourite (Fallout Discord Vote) and just better equipment like power armor and an air force
me see yaboii legion video, me happy
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@@nathanwilliams3877 Tax ho
@awnash9223 yo mom
@awnash9223 I'm the king of humor
my moral standpoint is with the ncr but logic goes to the legion this game has legit left me conflicted with which side i should go with in the end.
the factions is what made FONV the #1 RPG of all time why up to now no one can make a faction game how hard would it be just look at the factions in starfield ,
Very nice
Ave, true to Caesar!
Still loses
Ave amicus
@@thegermanfool8953NCR is doomed to fail in the Mojave profligate!
It's wrong to state that The Divide occurring was more beneficial to The Legion than The NCR, had the Legion been able to have their additional forces present at the First Battle of Hoover Dam it's very likely that even with Boulder City occurring as it did that due to the massive amount of numbers that The Legion possessed above the likes of The NCR (as it has always been stated that The Legion's military might is more plentiful than The NCR's forces) wouldn't cause nearly as much disarray to the point that the then fledgling amount of soldiers by comparison wouldn't be able to be dealt with. It would have been a harsh victory but this time for The Legion. Even were The Divide not to happen, it would have been a deathtrap for The NCR to attempt to use that as a way to enter The Legion's Base of Operations as in close quarters combat The Legion is supreme.
Cope
Manpower doesn't win wars. Resources and equipment do. Without crippling the NCR's only other supply line into the Mojave the Legion would never be able to survive a prolonged conflict.
@@duncanhoward6648 That's certifiably false as despite having superior resources and equipment, The NCR were going to lose to The Legion had A. The Divide incident not occurred and B. Had Graham's tactic didn't false as a result of it leading to Hanlan's Boulder City Strategy working.
Not to mention that the Brotherhood of Steel had superior weaponry and a grounded in defense at Helios One, what let the NCR win against them was what? Superior numbers, this is stated constantly that the NCR was able to throw more bodies at the problem.
Now the NCR is dealing with the same tactic, The Legion has much more bodies to throw at the NCR than the they can deal with, even with them getting more troops and Rangers in Camp McCarran. Hell they can't even deal with the Fiends let alone The Legion.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@michaelhorobin5430 Get a life brainlet.
@@michaelhorobin5430 Touch grass no-life.
The NCR is not actually democratic though.
This is like the main criticism they face in the game.
Pre-war USA was also not really democratic, same as our own US in reality is not actually democratic.
Fallout has been illustrating and critiquing this since the first game.
NCR is definitely better than the Legion, but not by a whole lot.
They're both deeply authoritarian states.
The real ideological conflict is not between democracy and autocracy,
it's between autocracy and oligarchy.
Same as the real life US.
This actually isn't the case for the NCR, there's a lot of corruption but the people still hold the exact control ass seen by when you bring evidence about the destruction of Cass's caravan.
It's corrupt sure but it's not to the point of oligarchs ruling in a shadow council
Another W vid
Ave, true to Caesar
W video
Patrolling the Mojave almost ma-
-kes you wish for a nuclear powered ice cream truck.
I'm pretty sure cannon is the NCR won. FO4 dropped a couple hints, but nothing concrete.
It's possible they lost the battle. Just because they lost the Mojave and the dam doesn't mean they were conquered entirely.
@@generaltobias3777
That's true.
@@misternibbles7426 My personal belief is they lost the second battle and were forced to focus more on California and less on other states, but plan to return when they finally get rid of their corruption and get a new competent president who doesn't give brahmin barons power (maybe even a civil war would happen?). If House won then they may never return seeing him as more of a bonus than a threat, his robots when upgraded are op, if the Legion won then they might be forced on the defensive, but the Legion cannot conquer California, its logistically impossible. I'd say the same thing about the NCR only to a lesser degree, they might be able to make it to Flagstaff if they invade the Legion, but that's about it. Legion will make it far but won't make it to Shady Sands. Only internal conflict will destroy either nation. And if Yes Man won.. well, that's the least likely victory out of them all. Anarchy doesn't last long.
@@generaltobias3777
I kind of agree. The NCRs incompetence is their downfall. They have the manpower, economy and industry to take the dam. However, the legion seems to be in a better spot than the NCR during NV, but I don't think they can hold it. I totally agree that House and Yes Man are basically non-factors, specifically Yes Man.
Bugthesda isn't cannon.
dont you wanna make content about hoi4 owb? (fallout mod) beacsue there is some interting stroy to. + already stories like the legon is also can see how play out! and of cousre a great mod.
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Legion is best faction
-someone who the Legion would crucify
@@henrykanning245 The Legion doesn't crucify people who support them. Did you play the game?
Keep up the NV work man
the frontier
After watching all your videos on FNV I think one statement stands true above all else: Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Don't know what your audio setup is but it needs an upgrade or tweaking. Just got done watching a vid that I had to have the volume at under 50% to avoid blowing out my eardrums. Started up your video and had to put it at 100% to hear you. Now granted I am literally going def as I get older so for other folk you may sound fine. But to me your voice in this vid sounds muffled.
I've got him at 50%. The other video you were watching must've been a Commercial on Cable, haha
I'd recommend increasing your PC volume, and then adjust TH-cam Volume to more comfortable levels
@@AlyssMa7rin pc vol at 90% TH-cam at 100% and external speakers running at 90% and I can still barely hear him. Other videos on the site even some of his this lvl would be Loud AF. So I dunno what the hell is going on?!?
@@DeathclawJedi Might be the mixing. I've noticed that his videos are Stereo, so if you're running '5.1' or something like that, one of the channels could be bad
If that's not it, could just be an oddity for External Speakers vs Headphones. Try doing an Audio Troubleshoot, or opening your Realtek Console (assuming you're on windows, and not using branded speakers)
@@AlyssMa7rin Good tip. In headphones he is clear as a bell and for some odd reason the majority of his Audio is coming from my right Rear speaker as it appears to be not functional after a sound test. Speaker is fine as I swapped it out to a forward right and it worked fine on the test Just the right rear chnl is down. Normally Sound is primarily on the center and forward Left and right speakers so yeah something screwy happened here.
Hi
"War never changes" is the most ignorant take I've ever heard.
War has changed not just in how we fight it but why. Gone are the days of bashing each other in lines with sharp sticks for resources or ideals.
Now we fight for reasons we're not allowed to know with weapons so advanced that the weapons themselves do more fighting than any human.
Not only does war change but it changes regularly, quickly and completely without mercy. The Legion, a faction within the fallout setting completely disprove the series thesis statement.
They go from small raiding tribes in small rival conflicts. To complex mixed unit tactics applied to a doctrine of total war against their foes.
I know the tagline sounds very deep but it is wrong and fails to hold water against what's shown in the series itself and human history.
Ave true to caesar
retconned and never happened
Not a chance id support California..
bro is terrible at telling these. I also tried watching the ncr vs brotherhood video and was so bored all the through both these videos I learned nothing.
only skirtboys join the legion.
You really don't like the Ncr or the Brotherhood do you? Seriously all your videos talk about how everyone else including Mr house and the Legion are better.... I don't understand people like you who think that dictatorship and technochrasy is better than order and stability. I guess paying taxes is that bad. If you are willing talk to raven Knights. He understands what is the best faction for the people.
Dictatorship is order and stability, even more so with Mr. House. NCR as we've seen in NV is far from stable and orderly. Brotherhood is for the most part stable, but only in their bunkers.
I don't think he ever says the Legion is better he acknowledged slavery and how the cruelty of the Legion is a hard price to pay for the order that the Legion brings. But I do remember him saying Mr. House was the best choice for the Mojave, which is arguably true.
@generaltobias3777 No Mr house cares only about himself and his plan to go into space with NO resources is ludicrous. And even if he improves life for the mohavi then what happens for the rest of the west coast or even America. He just leaves them to their fates. That's not helpful. Plus, he can get into a coma again with a simple malfunction. As many problems as democracy has, to quote admiral Halsey from the orville 'all other forms of government are even worse. Over countless years and nations, it is the best system anyone has ever come up with to ensure the strong don't dominate the week, at least not for very long.' Raven knight has an excellent video explaining why Mr house's plan fails but I will say that he is the second best option that can easily be improved with a few twicks. The Ncr is like America in Vietnam or Russia in Ukraine, War fatigued and demoralised, but does this mean they are not powerful, HELL NO. All they need is a little help and you can give it to them so they can help other people.
The NCR isn't stable or orderly at all though. It's heavily implied to be a corrupt plutocracy with an inflated currency, deteriorating climate, and more dangerous roads than the ones in the Legion.
@Soyu-Sojojarkkii You know it's amazing you are wrong in every single word you said. I mean, nothing was right, to quote kermit. First of nothing you said is denied. The economy is inflated because the war with the brotherhood destroyed their gold reserves. The war with the Legion certainly didn't help either. Second, the roads are dangerous because the Legion and the Fiends that work with them continue to harass caravans. And yes, recently, some personnel in the administration have been promoted due to political backing and not their skills (looking at you, General Oliver). However, there are people who are capable and resourceful, like Colonel Hsu or ambassador Crooker, who just want to help the people and are willing to put differences with mortal enemies aside for the greater good. Now if the Ncr wins the war in the mohavi the economy can thrieve again due to uninterrupted and safe trade. As for the climate, I hope you mean the political climate and not the literal climate, because that's not an excuse. Bottom line if you don't help the Ncr they will not survive in the Mohavi but they will still survive. The other parties will collapse due to their shoresideness and internal problems.
@nikoskn1252 I'm completely right, though. The cause of the NCRs inflation doesn't matter. it's still a destabilizing issue impacting the NCRs economy and society. It's also heavily implied in-game by Dale Barton that the roads in the NCR are far less safe than the ones in Legion held territories like Arizona, including NCR roads outside of the Mojave warzone where the fiends and Legion have no influence.
"Between having to hire protection and getting slapped with taxes, it's more profitable to stick to Arizona and New Mexico. But, I do cross the river from time to time when an opportunity comes along".
There's no sign that the leadership in the NCR are going to improve either. By the time the events of NV take place, important members of the NCR military like Chief Hanlon are demoralized enough with the civilian leadership to actively sabatoge the war effort.
5:30 so I didn’t know the legion had kid models and I rolled into that camp with to destroy them if only I was there they wouldn’t be using kids anymore .. oopsies