They went into this in new Vegas with the caps being “aged”, meaning that new caps could be spotted and would be counterfeit to the older pre-war caps. In Vegas McCarthy found out someone was printing caps and had them assassinated along with the press destroyed
Because we're too dependent on fossil fuel, and many of the coal and oil companies would be put out of business if we fully switched over to cleaner and more reliable sources of energy. And those that would have invested money in those companies would lose that money as well.
pretty sure it was only really America that was so advanced in nuclear tech and refused to give it to anyone else. thus everyone else was still reliant on fossil fuels
It's a bit weird to me. Fallout lore says that the war was due to oil and coal, etc. But in the remnants of pre-war America, everything is nuclear powered. You even go into the basement of dive bars and find fusion reactors and such. Even the Highwayman car is powered by micro fusion cells.
Firstly, the transition to fully nuclear energy took too long, and didn't fully go all the way. Just changing several economies and industry sectors from oil and coal to 100% nuclear is very difficult, even within a few decades. That's not even mentioning how the oil businesses wouldn't like it, unless they gad significant investments in it like Posiden Energy. Secondly, oil is used or more things than just heating and fuel for cars. It's also used in making plastics. Edit: Based on the existence of Red Rocket, there were still a significant number of cars still using gasoline.
After this long I’m sure they’re running out of things to talk about lol. But it’s fine because frankly I’d watch an hour long video about Fallout Currency.
About pre-war money still having value, I always assumed its primary use was as toilet paper; since its a soft, yet sturdy cloth unlikely to break apart and comes in a large wad for a roll's worth of uses.
@@theweedphilosopher You might be right in that it has more uses like tinder for firestarting, maybe even used as blank writing paper once cleaned (or laundered) but I still think its value is as a commodity, not a currency or means of exchange. Unless pre-war robots or still functioning vending machines (which still somehow have stock) take it.
To me it's ironic that fictional currency such as in Fallout and the Game of Thrones book series is more interesting to me than real life currency conversations which I find very boring
I'd say it's because t's very easy to grasp and there aren't many mechanics behind those currencies, also if you like Fallout then understanding the currencies is pretty much evident: For instance, bottle caps fit the worldbuilding (sodas and stuff) and have the mechanics of a non-regulated Fiat money (as far as I know, might be wrong on the "regulated" part), but they can't be regulated across the NCR as they are used in the whole wasteland, so that's why the NCR uses their own issued Fiat money... and so on and so forth, I still wonder why the Legion uses silver and gold as it's much harder to produce though
One thing I believe that matters when considering the value of Legion coins in New Vegas is the strength of the Legion itself to dictate it's value. When compared to the NCR, that a lot of characters openly disrespect as shown by NPC dialogue and the occasional graffiti, as well as how many problems they're facing on the region; I believe the characters tend to be way more afraid of the Legion and basically just accepting the value of their coins by force. There's also the matter of, despite everything, the Legion being able to keep their trade routes relatively safe, which would make them able to more effectively assert it's value.
@@ATOMIC_V155 I mean, they are. Originally the currencies were meant to be ever-changing and localized, to reflect the different ways people lived all around the US. To imagine that the other side of America reached the same currency with no logical explanation behind it is pretty weird.
Ah company script, we here in West Virginia still find it buried in the ground, much like prewar money of fallout, amazing how quickly something loses value when the company that created it no longer exists. It’s only value is to collectors and some historians
What's widely overlooked is that the bottle cap actually did have real value. In the New Vegas DLC Lonesome Road, the vending machines, due to a manufacturing defect, took bottle caps as well as coins. These machines sold just about everything. While not everyone would have access, or even knowledge of them, there would be a very real demand for those bottle caps. This could very realistically become a regional currency just because of the demand. While currencies come and go over centuries, a currency that has real value would have the possibility of 'catching on', becoming a sort of fiat currency continent wide, with people assigning it value, without ever knowing that said value was, and perhaps still is, actually based in reality.
I can see B.O.S. script coming back as a ration fund, used for luxury or exotic items within the Botherhood itself. Also I think it suck that in both NV and 4, we can cap presses but we can't use them.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but is the wasteland outside of large scale organized societies technically capitalist? Most people don't seem to work at normal businesses like we do, they're usually either scavengers, mercenaries, raiders, subsistence farmers or in some other role that doesn't involve wage labor. The wasteland has markets and currencies and whatnot but those were around long before capitalism developed out of mercantilism
Yes thank you for more fallout goodie lore i crave and need it, inject it into my veins directly (i am an addict to fallout lore and need new lore as soon as its studied)
13:18 i could be wrong but i think someone would probably be able to trade high value items like a cache of guns or a delivery of fresh water for a slave
aside from the practical reasons, i just like that bottlecaps are the currency because it's part of the worldbuilding, it shows how truly unchecked their pure capitalist free market was, leading to this one corporation having an ironclad monopolistic hold on the entirety of the US to the point that their merchandise and branding is inescapable even after the world has ended. and not only is it ubiquitous, but it still holds value and permeates the lives of every wastelander, despite the fact that the country is no longer highly interconnected the way it once was. even with the corporation itself no longer existing, its products (and by extension unchecked capitalism itself) were so ingrained in the culture that the product does not need its creator or originator to exist in perpetuity.
I refuse to believe bethesda ever thought of that, to be fully honest. It's interesting headcanon but they haven't done anything interesting with it so far.
@@theweedphilosopherit’s not just nuka cola bottle caps though, other soda/beer bottle caps are used too, they just only show the nuka cola ones in-game (outside of sunset sasparilla star caps) out of laziness.
Always find it mildly interesting and humorous when multiple Fallout channels are all doing the same content. 1 content creator makes a video and everyone else 'copies' the theme.
While there are at least two other youtubers that released videos on similar subjects, Yaboiii is definitely the top pick of the lot. (Yaboiii >> Radking >>>>>>>> N_orte )
Why did you list electricity as an alternative fuel source? Electricity is what fuel generates. It is not a source of energy, it is the result of creating electrical energy
Really none of the Fallout currencies make much sense from an economics standpoint. NCR dollars is the only one that really comes close to being realistic.
No. Currencies arise because of large volumes of trade between separate communities. Its not clear the Legion actually produces anything you would need their coins to buy. And as far as we know the Legion just takes everything it needs and doesn't pay. So it doesn't really make sense that anyone would adopt the golden aureus as their currency. Merchants have more trade opportunities with the NCR, which probably (though idk lore-wise) would ban use and possession of Legion coins as well. The Legion is more like the Mongol Empire than the Roman Empire, though ofc Caesar's invasion of the Mojave is meant to fix that.
@@whodathunkit_that's a result of cut content, in reality there are entire towns and cities under the legion banner operating that we never got to see such as Phoenix and two-sun (tucson) Arizona which one would assume has subjects (not citizens) engaging in general business, someone else argued that the legion coin is backed moreso by force on top of the metal its made of
I like to think that the Chicago brotherhood got pushed out of Colorado by the legion and the great plains by a tribal confederacy which led them to expand into the Tennessee River Valley and around the great lakes, but that's just my canon
Can someone do a Fallout universe video on civil rights like black rights, LGBT+ rights etc etc? as fallout pre war is 2077 but with 1950s asthenic so is it all sorted or what? Thanks!
i will not do one for i am lazy but gay rights and black rights seem to be a-ok within enclave-america (we see it in F04 one of your neighboors being a lesbian multirracial couple) For within the NCR they seem to be ok with gay and race-rights, since iirc, they mentioned some of that in FONV, however, the Legion as an rule has everything that it can do to oppress other people.Slavery as an example. They as it seems, went along with the lines of "as long as you are making kids", however, Legion is much more into misoginy than racism, And as for the NVFEZ, people are ok with everything as long as you pay. Anyways, it seems pretty much stupid to people mind each other's colour when most of the tribes are kinda diverse with this. America is an nation of immigrants, so, there it wouldn't be an ethinicity directly tied to place X
all the big fallout yt channels doing economics videos brings me joy
Who else? Only seen radking. Thanks in advance 🤓
@@gorrack10281987 N_orte
@@Yaboylilpacogreat channel
Same 😂 I'm working on a homebrew fallout dnd so this is really helpful!
funny, how the main player can repair pre-war doomsday weapons and alien technology. however can't replicate an aluminum cap.🤣
They went into this in new Vegas with the caps being “aged”, meaning that new caps could be spotted and would be counterfeit to the older pre-war caps. In Vegas McCarthy found out someone was printing caps and had them assassinated along with the press destroyed
The Brotherhood Script sounds a lot like a company store as well.
*scrip, not script
It always felt weird to me how the world relied so heavily on Coal and Oil despite being in a Nuclear Golden Age.
That's us currently. We have all the nuclear power to power the world, yet we still use oil and coal
@@toby6632 you make a salient point XD
Because we're too dependent on fossil fuel, and many of the coal and oil companies would be put out of business if we fully switched over to cleaner and more reliable sources of energy. And those that would have invested money in those companies would lose that money as well.
pretty sure it was only really America that was so advanced in nuclear tech and refused to give it to anyone else. thus everyone else was still reliant on fossil fuels
@@TK-1103 bruh
Germany was shutting down nuclear power plants in favor of coal
I’d say Europe is pretty advanced but refuse to switch
It's a bit weird to me. Fallout lore says that the war was due to oil and coal, etc. But in the remnants of pre-war America, everything is nuclear powered. You even go into the basement of dive bars and find fusion reactors and such. Even the Highwayman car is powered by micro fusion cells.
Other nations were more reliant on fossil fuels. The US also suffered from the shortage.
Firstly, the transition to fully nuclear energy took too long, and didn't fully go all the way. Just changing several economies and industry sectors from oil and coal to 100% nuclear is very difficult, even within a few decades. That's not even mentioning how the oil businesses wouldn't like it, unless they gad significant investments in it like Posiden Energy.
Secondly, oil is used or more things than just heating and fuel for cars. It's also used in making plastics.
Edit: Based on the existence of Red Rocket, there were still a significant number of cars still using gasoline.
Nuclear soda
Oil and other non renewable resources aren't used just for fuel or power, they're also used for plastics, polyurethane, etc.
@@tinaherr3856 Red Rocket switched from a gas station to a coolant filling station when fusion cores became widely available
Is this some sort of mega collab that no one should talk about? Seems like every fallout loretuber is releasing currency vids
Omg, I thought I was the only one who realized it! Lol
Finally, someone else noticed 😂😂
They all copy each other
@@sidwellferguson-english2550 Hot 💀
After this long I’m sure they’re running out of things to talk about lol. But it’s fine because frankly I’d watch an hour long video about Fallout Currency.
About pre-war money still having value, I always assumed its primary use was as toilet paper; since its a soft, yet sturdy cloth unlikely to break apart and comes in a large wad for a roll's worth of uses.
Yeah my thought as well.
Nah it’s worth way too much caps to be that mundane
@@theweedphilosopher You might be right in that it has more uses like tinder for firestarting, maybe even used as blank writing paper once cleaned (or laundered) but I still think its value is as a commodity, not a currency or means of exchange. Unless pre-war robots or still functioning vending machines (which still somehow have stock) take it.
I wish I knew why this niche-within-a-niche subject interests me so much.
To me it's ironic that fictional currency such as in Fallout and the Game of Thrones book series is more interesting to me than real life currency conversations which I find very boring
@@Spongebrain97 It just really be like that.
I'd say it's because t's very easy to grasp and there aren't many mechanics behind those currencies, also if you like Fallout then understanding the currencies is pretty much evident: For instance, bottle caps fit the worldbuilding (sodas and stuff) and have the mechanics of a non-regulated Fiat money (as far as I know, might be wrong on the "regulated" part), but they can't be regulated across the NCR as they are used in the whole wasteland, so that's why the NCR uses their own issued Fiat money... and so on and so forth, I still wonder why the Legion uses silver and gold as it's much harder to produce though
One thing I believe that matters when considering the value of Legion coins in New Vegas is the strength of the Legion itself to dictate it's value. When compared to the NCR, that a lot of characters openly disrespect as shown by NPC dialogue and the occasional graffiti, as well as how many problems they're facing on the region; I believe the characters tend to be way more afraid of the Legion and basically just accepting the value of their coins by force. There's also the matter of, despite everything, the Legion being able to keep their trade routes relatively safe, which would make them able to more effectively assert it's value.
Please tell me you’re memeing, this has to be self aware, I can’t live in a world where this isn’t satire. I DEMAND ANSWERS
???
@@mrankles7465 ???
Because all the fallout TH-camrs have uploaded Curency videos this week.
Just need Ox and EpicNate to join the parade 😂
@@Yaboylilpaco oh alr
Did every fallout youtuber get together and decide to release videos on fallouts currency? lol
Bottle caps are a dumb concept after fallout 1.
I definitely smell a conspiracy
Ah yes, the Fallout loremaster cabal
@@ATOMIC_V155 I mean, they are. Originally the currencies were meant to be ever-changing and localized, to reflect the different ways people lived all around the US. To imagine that the other side of America reached the same currency with no logical explanation behind it is pretty weird.
Okay what the fuck is going on, all of the Fallout channels talking about Fallout economics at the same time, something fishy is going on
Ah company script, we here in West Virginia still find it buried in the ground, much like prewar money of fallout, amazing how quickly something loses value when the company that created it no longer exists. It’s only value is to collectors and some historians
What's widely overlooked is that the bottle cap actually did have real value.
In the New Vegas DLC Lonesome Road, the vending machines, due to a manufacturing defect, took bottle caps as well as coins. These machines sold just about everything. While not everyone would have access, or even knowledge of them, there would be a very real demand for those bottle caps. This could very realistically become a regional currency just because of the demand.
While currencies come and go over centuries, a currency that has real value would have the possibility of 'catching on', becoming a sort of fiat currency continent wide, with people assigning it value, without ever knowing that said value was, and perhaps still is, actually based in reality.
Cool another video on Fallout currency
I can see B.O.S. script coming back as a ration fund, used for luxury or exotic items within the Botherhood itself. Also I think it suck that in both NV and 4, we can cap presses but we can't use them.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but is the wasteland outside of large scale organized societies technically capitalist? Most people don't seem to work at normal businesses like we do, they're usually either scavengers, mercenaries, raiders, subsistence farmers or in some other role that doesn't involve wage labor. The wasteland has markets and currencies and whatnot but those were around long before capitalism developed out of mercantilism
A libertarian wonderland
yaboiii, Rad King, and N-orte making the same video within the same week is a little weird to me
thats conspiracy
The 3rd wasteland currency/economy video from a major fallout youtuber in less than a week
also one of the drs in Big MT theorized correctly that bottle caps would be the new denomination currency after a nuclear war .
I'm a House boi but the NCR and Legion's dollar and denarus combo would make a better exchange than caps.
Legion currency is the best
I'm an economics nerd so I love this lol. Always trade my bottle caps for NCR dollars.
So you're a double dork?
“Legion money please”
If SVB going down is what it took for these fallout money videos to come out then so be it 😁
Yes thank you for more fallout goodie lore i crave and need it, inject it into my veins directly (i am an addict to fallout lore and need new lore as soon as its studied)
There must be a fallout youtuber group chat where their discussing ideas
13:18 i could be wrong but i think someone would probably be able to trade high value items like a cache of guns or a delivery of fresh water for a slave
We all know the best currency is the charge card
Bullets are too I'm always trading in ammo 4 stimpaks & food & weapons in Vegas (4) & Boston(5)
aside from the practical reasons, i just like that bottlecaps are the currency because it's part of the worldbuilding, it shows how truly unchecked their pure capitalist free market was, leading to this one corporation having an ironclad monopolistic hold on the entirety of the US to the point that their merchandise and branding is inescapable even after the world has ended. and not only is it ubiquitous, but it still holds value and permeates the lives of every wastelander, despite the fact that the country is no longer highly interconnected the way it once was. even with the corporation itself no longer existing, its products (and by extension unchecked capitalism itself) were so ingrained in the culture that the product does not need its creator or originator to exist in perpetuity.
I refuse to believe bethesda ever thought of that, to be fully honest. It's interesting headcanon but they haven't done anything interesting with it so far.
@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd why else would it be bottle caps with nuca cola being so prevalent in the series?
@@theweedphilosopherit’s not just nuka cola bottle caps though, other soda/beer bottle caps are used too, they just only show the nuka cola ones in-game (outside of sunset sasparilla star caps) out of laziness.
@@Pantsinabucket Yeah, outside of fallout 3, 4 and 76 the other games all have other kinds of currency to some extent.
@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd and all of them have the similarity in that they aren't real money, just a junk they found on hand, only Fallout 2 did it
Always find it mildly interesting and humorous when multiple Fallout channels are all doing the same content. 1 content creator makes a video and everyone else 'copies' the theme.
At this rate bottle caps will have more buying power in real life.
Yeah did you radking and N_orte all calamine or is it a coincidence tell us now
Didn't expect to see a Faxe Kondi ring pull when i started watching.
While there are at least two other youtubers that released videos on similar subjects, Yaboiii is definitely the top pick of the lot.
(Yaboiii >> Radking >>>>>>>> N_orte )
Naaah. RadKing>>>>>>>>>>> Yaboiii and N_orte
why are all fallout youtubers making videos about currency all of a sudden lol
Why did you list electricity as an alternative fuel source? Electricity is what fuel generates. It is not a source of energy, it is the result of creating electrical energy
USD No longer the world standard
Trade will always exist for mankind.
You're a bit late to the party on this one. This video isn't unwelcome, though.
Honestly?
Especially FO4
10mm or .38 tend to be my main currency lol
but then, gold has no inherent value on its own, its valuable only because people decide its valuable, same as pieces of paper.
The Virgin NCR dollar 💵 v. The Chad Legion Denarius 🪙 v. The SIGMA Bottlecap
Everyone is doing a fallout currency video 😂
07:38 gotta admit, colonel moore is a hottie in this settings. what did you used to get this result?
Really none of the Fallout currencies make much sense from an economics standpoint. NCR dollars is the only one that really comes close to being realistic.
Do u think Legion coin isn't realistic or something?
No. Currencies arise because of large volumes of trade between separate communities. Its not clear the Legion actually produces anything you would need their coins to buy. And as far as we know the Legion just takes everything it needs and doesn't pay. So it doesn't really make sense that anyone would adopt the golden aureus as their currency. Merchants have more trade opportunities with the NCR, which probably (though idk lore-wise) would ban use and possession of Legion coins as well. The Legion is more like the Mongol Empire than the Roman Empire, though ofc Caesar's invasion of the Mojave is meant to fix that.
@@whodathunkit_that's a result of cut content, in reality there are entire towns and cities under the legion banner operating that we never got to see such as Phoenix and two-sun (tucson) Arizona which one would assume has subjects (not citizens) engaging in general business, someone else argued that the legion coin is backed moreso by force on top of the metal its made of
Anyone else gonna comment on the fact that there's a Bioshock scene in this video lol
7:05
I have your videos set to all notifications but I don't get notified about them?
where fallout 76 mone
What, no charge card?
has anyone noticed how a single magazine costs like 33$
"Did I mention that pre-war inflation was pretty bad?"
What about crypto?
Ghouls of Wallstreet
Fallout Tactics is canon, just not the conflicts with existing lore.
I like to think that the Chicago brotherhood got pushed out of Colorado by the legion and the great plains by a tribal confederacy which led them to expand into the Tennessee River Valley and around the great lakes, but that's just my canon
1st
Can you not
@@bayoyo5938 No, fight me.
I'm first, actually.
@@bayoyo5938 someone's jealous....
@@ATOMIC_V155 You are fake news
Can someone do a Fallout universe video on civil rights like black rights, LGBT+ rights etc etc? as fallout pre war is 2077 but with 1950s asthenic so is it all sorted or what? Thanks!
i will not do one for i am lazy
but gay rights and black rights seem to be a-ok within enclave-america (we see it in F04 one of your neighboors being a lesbian multirracial couple)
For within the NCR they seem to be ok with gay and race-rights, since iirc, they mentioned some of that in FONV, however, the Legion as an rule has everything that it can do to oppress other people.Slavery as an example. They as it seems, went along with the lines of "as long as you are making kids", however, Legion is much more into misoginy than racism, And as for the NVFEZ, people are ok with everything as long as you pay.
Anyways, it seems pretty much stupid to people mind each other's colour when most of the tribes are kinda diverse with this. America is an nation of immigrants, so, there it wouldn't be an ethinicity directly tied to place X
Algorithm
Walmart cash registers. (Used to at least 3 years ago) had bottlecaps as an option. Somewhere I have a photo of it. Haven't worked on one in years tho