The problem is that they did not explain in the details if he Annexation is true. Some people argue that the US just said it and Canada decided to allow the US to move in while others agree it actually happened but there is two issues with that actually happening. 1st, someone in Canada would resist it and there is no mention of this issue. 2nd, Annexing Canada is technically an act of war on UK unless Canada joins the US by choice which is possible with an annex move.
@@Seriona1 Dawg there are mentions of Canadian resistance in literally the first cutscenes of fallout 1. "Our boys keeping the peace in occupied Canada" shows a dude in Power Armor executing a Canadian protester/insurgent. The Survivalist from Zion camion is implied to have worked on a military checkpoint in occupied Canada, with his gun having "STOP" written in both English & French on the stock, probably meaning there was restriction of movement for Canadians, as well as active Canadian resistance. 2. The UK has been reduced to near destruction like the rest of the European commonwealth even before the war. The war with the middle east and subsequent collapse of European peace probably means the UK is no longer in any condition to contest an American annexation of Canada.
@@Seriona1 The UK at this point in the timeline was part of the EU and in a civil war with the other half, I doubt they could afford to do anything at all seeing how they were quite busy.
@cat Austria was polled for that and a majority of Austrian's at the time voted for reunification due to circumstances after ww1, So your comparison between the two is ridiculous, if anything from ww2 should be brought up in correlation, it should be Germanies invasion of Czechoslovakia or the UK's Invasion of Iraq
I really like how the writers depicted the war, a decade long one with massive casualties accompanied by economic meltdown. Nukes were only employed after the existence of the chinese state and country was pretty much at risk of not existing, that's the policy most nuclear powers have in our timeline.
but hirosima and nagasaky was flatted as usa war maschine was growing and imperial japan falling already... it was it is and wil be the weapon of intimidation that most be used then and now to make people afraide of it....
@@urbangradisek5695 The IJA and the government may have been losing, but a large portion of their command were fanatics who intended to continue the war to the last man. A naval invasion of the Japanese Mainland or strategic bombing campaigns would be disastrous for US forces, and significantly worse for japanese civilians(of course, not counting Hiroshima/Nagasaki). It was a strategic choice. That being said, yes, it also served as a political demonstration of the power the USA now wielded, but that was a secondary effect.
@LOAN NGUYEN That might look as a justification of a genocide, even if the nuclear bombs weren't the worst what US did to Japan. Napalm bombings that were happening for weeks took much more civillians lives than nuking Heroshima and Nagasaki. The sad truth was that 1.5 million red army launched an attack in Manchuria at the time of nuking. So it wasn't just the bombs that made Japan generals to capitulate, it was the overwhelming attacking enemy forces from both sides. I truly believe that civvie murder at that time could have been avoided and there is no justification for using weapons of mass destruction unless only to defend one's country from real existential threat.
@LOAN NGUYEN Indeed. And the question is: where do we draw the line? For example I find the idea of "preemptive nuclear strike" frightening. It contradicts the MAD principle that held this world from becoming a real Fallout experience. I also find it plausible that American generals of that time didn't yet understood the implications of nuclear weaponry. It was a new and unknown entity in 1944. And at the time of a WW2 might have looked as a perfect way to demonstrate a super weapon to the world.
@@AntPictures keep in mind. The "demonstration" served a dual purpose, both to strategically cripple japanese morale and war support, as well as provide a single point of "overwhelming power" to show the might of the USA. This further allowed the Japanese to capitulate far faster than what would be required of a naval invasion and strategic bombing campaign, meaning less time for the communists to gather more soil and expand their influence.
would be really interesting to have a fallout game set in anchorage, where the surviving us and chinese soldiers are still fighting, but already lost their reasons of why.
I find it unlikely they would keep fighter 200 years after the war. Mainly because most Chinese were dead/captured already(anchorage had been liberated) by the advent of the nukes, so it's unlikely they would have numbers to go against Americans again. That being said, a FPS game set during the Chinese invasion/American liberation of Alaska would be very cool.
@@SLAYERxX420 It struggles due to being, you know, in the gamebryo engine, an engine mostly dedicated to RPGs and unfit for FPS games. The shooting is generally not satisfying, movement is clunky and actor numbers are rather small. I was imagining a new game, somewhat in the style of call of duty or Battlefield(but single player).
I love that in FO4 we come across the poor sub captain. Hes had 200 years to sit and look at what he did. You can tell through dialogue how much it eats at him. If he could, he would go back in time and stop himself from giving the order. I think China suffered as much as rhe US in the FOU. They likely had survivors and their own version of a vault. It would be neat to go explore that possibility one day
@Vermouth Maybe. But what do you do if you are a Chinese ghoul that nukes USA? Other than spend the time to learn English and hope people forget that is :P
They'd have their own version of the Enclave, too; consisting of descendants of Pre-War CCP fanatics called the Party hidden in complexes across abandoned, strip-mined mountain ranges.
the sheer amount of Americans in China at the time would lead to a large American remnant which would make a cool dlc ! it probably wouldn’t happen due to it not being inside the united states but it would be a cool mod idea especially when you have access to a submarine with a captain who wants to return to China..
I don’t remember the exact quote but my favorite quote about war from Fallout (and one I think applies perfectly with the pre war days) is what the Enclave deserter/ship captain guy from Fallout 2 says“I realized it wasn’t America I was fighting for, but the rich old bastards who didn’t want to give up their power”
It would suck to be one of the U.S. soldiers trapped in mainland China after the Great War with no way to return home and surrounded by a hostile enemy force.
@@Jkooowb yeah. We’ve gotten plenty of stories about Chinese remnants and their descendants, but I wonder if Americans had it any better or worse over there
@@starset4life175 The Shi is such a underestimated faction. It had technological prowess that rivals that of Brotherhood. Or even better than Brotherhood. And Shi are also very pragmatic. It could have really turned San Francisco into a bursting hub of human cilovization.
The "Vault-Tec launched the first nukes" theory is pretty strong. I've seen a few theory videos, but what makes me believe it is the fact that the Vault-Tec logo is on the unexploded nuke in Megaton.
Who... Cares? It could be 'Muhreekahns, it could be Shineeze, it could be Vault-Tec, it could be UN being wacky, it could be Robert Edwin House funning around with nukes, it could be some terrorists or revolutionaries - my point is: Who cares?
Minor inaccuracy in your statement about the Enclave no longer existing: It is believed that the Enclave control the entire city of Chicago, and thus it would be likely that the city is their main headquarters now.
how is that possible tho doesn't the mid western brotherhood which might be the most powerful brotherhood branch also in chichago and we know they at least exist in the canon
Imagine the Frontline of the War right before the bombs, power armor troops and sentry bots providing cover while Mister Gutsys and Soldiers charge forward with Vertibirds overhead, and also they might have a few Deathclaws in the mix
Given how little we see of the rest of the world its entirely possible that China or the European commonwealth survived to some extent. It's also possible they rebuilt or didn't get hit as hard as the U.S. did
Africa probably came out relatively unscathed by the nukes. No one really has a reason to launch there. Africa could become the cradle of post-war civilization
Hmm, I would definitely say that Europe fared better, since they weren't directly hit by nukes. But on the other hand; Europe likely suffered allot of destruction due to its own resource wars. Combine that with the massive death-toll from the radiation brought about by the great war, and you still have a continent that's largely ruined. Now China on the other hand, has most likely been completely obliterated. Considering that it was the sole target of ALL of America's nukes, it's very unlikely that any of it remains. At best, it looks like the US does post-war. But at worst (and most likely) it resembles the glowing sea from fallout 4; making any thought of rebuilding a forlorn hope.
@@BJJGamer see the problem is we really don't know much about the great war itself, all we know is the US got hit and probably sent out strikes of their own but even then that's not a given
Funny thing, as a huge Fallout fan from childhood, I never knew real reasons for war. I completed Fallout 1-2 about 7 times and poured about 500 hours into Fallout 3 thinking about the chinese as just baddies, lmao
Everyone's a baddy in the Fallout universe. Except the people in Tegeran - poor doodos got nuked waaay before this whole skidaddling squabble between the US and China reached it's highest point.
The way that the fallout cutscenes and commercials usually give the feeling that things in the US were just like 1950's, a golden Era, at least for me. I never knew that on the brink of collapse was the best that everyone had.
I also enjoy the fact that the Enclave’s calculations on the surviability of the United States, and because of EMP interference they weren’t able to coordinate with other cells. Ultimately, the few vital hours following the nuclear exchange is what cemented the Wasteland as what it is and could’ve been drastically different if the Enclave spurred into action way sooner
It's almost scary to think that some time in the future this could happen. Maybe not in the near future, but somewhere down the line something like this may be a reality.
It's going to happen at some point. All that has to happen is another world war which could be started in many different ways but the most likely trigger is China and Taiwan. The moment one side starts winning and threatens the existence of the other side, the nukes will go flying and its game over for us all.
This is one of my favorite parts of the lore since it shows how humanity progressed expect we see the word didn’t progress because instead of finding solutions to disagreements nope humanity did what always does fight and kill and lie and use each other. Also it brings up big who startled the Great War as many people say China but who knows there were so many lies and propaganda in the Great War that we’ll never know the truth but to the wasteland it doesn’t matter because as you said in this video war never changes but this war change everything
the Great War is not a cautionary tale but more of a prophecy with real life resource wars happening. Putin won't stop until all of Congress admits that the US cheated at the end of the Cold War or all former Soviet states are brutally occupied and turned into fortress states.
It's possible de that china lunch it's nuke in a desesperate attempt to turn the tide of the war. Apparently the US was about to win the war when the nuclear holocaust happened
@@The-jy3yq no he wasn’t you can’t force people into unity that line about missing being in the masters army is because they had pourpose now they have none and are just mutants looking for a home the master was wrong if he had used to help people instead things could have turned out differently perhaps there could have really been unity
the whole uranium shortage thing doesn't seem particularly realistic given the time frames were working with leading up to the great war but if you dropped that aspect from the resource wars the whole thing gets a tad unrealistic anyway, because its proven in universe that they can use nuclear for literally any purpose from powering cars to children's toys so why would the oil shortages have even been that big of a deal certainly there are still food shortages but its impractical for superpowers to go to war for food access rather than solve such issues domestically, though as i understand it the great strides in nuclear energy were kind of American centric
Nuclear and fusion are different things. There was never a uranium shortage, and China invaded Alaska due to them needing oil because they had never invented fusion technology. They most likely had fission which is the Nuclear energy we are used to. fusion is basically replicating what a star does, whilst fission is smashing atoms together to spin a turbine which makes energy we can use.
@@lolasdm6959 Ok? But the US had FUSION reactors, which are WAY better than FISSION reactors, which are what we have IRL and what the Chinese would've had.
@@beepbop6542 Well doesn't really explain why China would go to war with the US over oil... China can just use electric cars and nuclear fission. Also the whole war doesn't make sense, If the Americans are already taking SEA from China than all the Chinese troops in Alaska are dead because the US would have naval superioirty and no supplies. It's a video game so don't think too hard about it.
I always loved the simplicity of the explanation for why Fallout happened. It didn't matter which side was worse because they both were guilty of monstrous crimes. Operation Anchorage was a good DLC but I feel like it failed to capture the conflict in its scale, I guess it's due to it being a simulation tailored for American interests. Fallout 4 had a chance to delve deeper into the war but again, Bethesda just struggles with writing that's beyond surface deep. It's preferable to consider to the Fallout west coast story where the actual story is naught but a string of loose theories and circumstance evidence from Ghoul perspectives. The truth being that it might have just been the culmination of Capitalism and Communist governments finally prove the worst out of each other.
I think the reason Fallout happened wasn't because of capitalism or communism. It was despresim, and need for victory by both sides that caused them to unleash nuclear war. Weather it was America or China or someone else that caused the 'Great War' is still up for debate. The reasons for China firing off the nukes is pretty obvious. They were losing, on the edge of defeat, and there territories were in total chaos. Possibly the Chairman Chang in an act of desperation launched all of China's nukes in hopes of Mutually Accured Destruction? Reasons for America to fire the nukes is also obvious. Roits were common, desertion was high, and despite the victory groups in and around the U.S. were beginning to form break away States from America. Perhaps the President or Enclave or Congress though a swift deadly end was better then a slow one? Then there is Vault-Tech, and Psychopathic robots.
We don't know but it was said in our timeline every nation has a plan to at least nuke the capitals of other nations so no one can become a superpower before the other nations can claw their way back up... so that's dark
Huh, a interesting question, although those three powers were never mentioned in the great war (I believe) but it is for certain that they too might and i mean might have used it, since if the two superpowers started a nuclear exchange others might do so too as a last ditch effort to give one last (fuck you) to their rivals/enemies. Also Hi Luft ! How are you doing mate !, don’t know-if you remember me or recognize me but i hope you are doing well ! (I came across your comment by accident lol).
Most likely, the only other canon place besides China being nuked was in Israel during the middle east- EU war when some terrorists took control of a nuke and nuked Tel Aviv in the early 2050s
I still think that the truth about the resource wars is that it actually happened because of overproduction, since most of the world markets already collapse before the war neither US or China got anyone to export their goods other than themselves, since they didn't want to do it between themselves the solution was the war as a way to maintain their industries.
The more and more I explored Fallout lore, the more and more frightful I have become for our future. It may be a game, but it has a lot of concepts folk could take away as a reflection of our real world politics. History doesn’t often repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
It would be interesting to see how the fallout universe came to be through aspects like the censorship of cultural movements in the 1970s, the transistor never being invented and their goal to their idealized version of the future still stuck in the 1950s.
It would be interesting if Fallout was set more in the 80s, -many kinds of interesting weapons -the Soviet Union and the US (including the Warsaw Pact and NATO) were very close to bombing themselves (like in Operation Able Archer of 1983) And also -synthwave -pop culture references like The Terminator (1911 AMR hardballer with laser sight attachment), Alien (pulse rifle), Jurassic Park (SPAS-12), etc. And many more
That bit about about the transistor never having been invented, or having been invented late, is not actually canon. It is a bit of false lore that has spread around on fan sites for years, but no official source ever corroborates it.
It made little sense that the transistor was not invented but yet they had technology to create indestructible holographic metaphysical beings they could manifest by dropping a small projectors.
You could argue that the Chimera was a fiction from the U.S general that helped with the simulation (operation: anchorage), and that could be absolutely true, since the general had lost his marbles by the time of this simulation (based on the text files you find in the game). But an equally compelling argument could be made for the Chinese retrofitting them as tanks for the conflict. Think about it, the Chinese (based on Op: Anchorage) retrofitted Canadian mining machines to counter U.S power armor as a stop-gap measure in case the U.S tried to storm their pulse field with regular infantry. While it is implied that the general giving advice to the simulation crew was PTSD'D and unreliable, there are shards of truth in that brain that leaked into the simulation you played in Op: Anchorage.
Here are some ideas I have for this hypothetical fallout game: 1. Have there be an equivalent to liberty prime that is a giant Kaiju mech based on Pulgasari 2. Have there be a “Tomb” that is actually a pre-war research base guarded by “Terracotta Soldiers” (advanced robots with a ceramic plating, have them be kind of bullet-spongey but the ceramic armor can be broken off) 3. Rename raiders to bandits 4. A companion that is a prototype autonomous suit of power armor, you encounter him being attacked by bandits looking to scrap him for parts, he can work as a traditional companion but can also be used as a suit of power armor (perhaps providing some bonus)
There was a game planned for the initial fallout 3 game that got cancelled by black isle studios that would see the player travel to mainland china to put an end to the emperor's mad plan to launch another set of nukes on the continental US.
Isn’t that weird how in this game it’s describing our reality we’re like in the beginning stages of this game right before the Great War. Oil shortages food shortages war is just around the corner damn the similarities are almost Word for Word.
It's based on headlines from the '70s, with the Big Bad changed from Russia to China. (It's not a coincidence that the video of the pacification of Canada in FO1 is extremely similar to footage from Vietnam before the fall of Saigon.) And if we'd decided to just double down on extracting resources and building the same wasteful cars and houses we were making at the time, instead of beginning even nascent conservation efforts, we might well have wound up in Resource Wars of our own...
Apart from maybe Cyberpunk, Fallout without a doubt has the most ominously relatable lore out of any game franchise I’ve played so far. At the very least, both definitely have me curious to see if something will actually go down in 2077…
When I hear things like "America declared any political discontent as anti American behavior to cover up their wrong doings" makes me just nervously go "ha ha ha..."
As a chinese who lives outside mainland all i can say to the People of the usa if you bully an guy too much you know what will happen to him. And no not suicide
I always hoped they added some faction or even just a individual who was dedicated to preserving and teaching history. I know the brotherhood kinda do but it's really just technology not history. I mean there's enough pre war ghouls around, yet in fallout 4 people don't even know how baseball is played when they live in a arena for it 😂
@@Mad-rg9sz The loss of history us over-exaggerated. There would be enough literature about baseball, that the basics would still be known. Though, it’s a minor flaw for such an interesting setting.
My soul died a little with the realisation that these days disclaimers like that are actually required for some of the smooth brain people who might believe it or for protection of monitization from a company overstepping the mark. Smfh.
The SCP Foundation wiki has to _repeatedly_ state that things like the Hard-To-Kill Reptile (SCP-682) and Wondertainment's various reality-bending toys are fictional. I'm not surprised this video has the disclaimer.
Because the disclaimer blatantly ignores the fact that art tends to reflect reality and the views/opinions of its creators. Something something Isaac Asimov aptly said the same thing. The artists and authors don’t come up with all of this background and other stuff without at least trying to think it through to make it appear plausible in their minds within the premise of their world. Which means that at least some of what they come up with comes from their actual ideas about reality. You can see the consequences of that in this very comment sections, as people compare it to reality. Except it’s literally ridiculous beyond recognition, because it is in fact fiction, and it is in fact made by creative authors and writers, not realistically grounded people.
5:04 this can be atributted to inflation in the Fallout USD but yeah. 8k for a gallon of gas. In a car that was most likely designed to look good 1st and put safety or economy 53rd. This is comparable to the 1973 oil embargo, but that just made Asian imported cars popular since they sipped fuel. You really think in a 50’s style society Americans are gonna buy an Asian consumer product?
So until about a week ago I had no idea what Fallout was. Now I still haven't played a single minute of any of the games but the mythology seems very interesting and the scenarios discussed in this video very compelling and possible.
The world has ended back in 50s Now we're just playing in a rich man's game with staged inflation, disease and pointless wars in middle east and Slavic countries
This was a great video I had often wondered about the prewar conflict since aside from the anchorage dlc in fo3 and the Yangtze in fo4 I never really had much more context about it. Just a suggestion maybe you should do a video about the father in fallout new vegas' honest hearts dlc (I think his name was Randal Clarke)
I would love to see a Fallout game that focused solely on the Sino-American War. Not an RPG like a normal Fallout game but something more like old fashioned Call Of Duty where it specifically shows significant events throughout the war. We got something like that in the Operation Anchorage DLC for Fallout 3 but that was primarily focused on the end of the war in Alaska. I wanna see a game that tells the whole story!
Would be really cool to see an expedition update to F76 like Operation Anchorage where you use a simulator pod to fight a prewar battle. They could also bring in the FN assault rifle from fallout 3 as a possible reward.
According to records in the DIA facility under Boston (FO4), the Chinese attacked by surprise. On the other hand, records in the Whitesprings facility (FO76) suggest that Thomas Eckhart of the Enclave might have taken it upon himself; there's an email from someone telling him that they were all trapped in a simulation by a rival group and the only way out was to destroy "what we perceive to be a small city in south-central China", and another from senior leadership telling him not to launch that attack - and what happened in that bunker immediately after the War shows us how much respect Eckhart had for the chain of command.
I may be a little hopeful but I feel like a FO5 set in "Ronto" with heavy enclave/brotherhood presence and an element of a "Freedom force" would narratively go hard asf
I'd really like to see a mod on Fallout 4's engine with a full campaign set in China. Here's my recommendation; Fallout: Yangtze Set the world around the Yangtze river If you know Chinese geography even slightly well you know this is one of the biggest and most important waterways in the world In terms of gameplay you could have a very large map with mixtures of jungle, swamp, and rolling asian hills. China has a long history of warlords, I think the most logical step in canon is to have the Yangtze province be sort of like the Chinese equivalent to the Commonwealth or even New Vegas, with indicators and wounds of the war everpresent, but new factions and settlements bringing some small humanity to the wasteland. You could have a faction based on the pseudo-fascist pre-revolution Republic of China, a royalist faction based on the old dynasties(similar to the legion, but chinese warriors), and of course Communist PLA remnants. But here's my twist. Have a significant(but small) area controlled by an _American_ settlement, but here's the thing, you could go one of two ways(or, if you really wanna get fancy, BOTH) First: Make them a direct US Army/Marine Corps descendant faction, obsessed with maintaining their fleet of power armor and advanced weaponry, a combination of Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave tendencies, with their own unique ideology based on hundreds of years of guerilla warfare behind enemy lines. Second option: Have an NCR style mixed democratic community descended from both American occupying forces and local Chinese tribes, where they speak a mixture of English and Chinese and both is taught in their schools, and they have an impressive but underpowered military held back by the usual red tape of a democracy in the wasteland. Here's one pitch for how this could work: The Yangtze river acts as the great barrier. On one side you have the "American remnants" with two factions fighting among themselves. The Yangtze Republic, a democratic union of settlements with a mostly defensive army, with numbers but limited technology. And the Extremists, a radical group of mostly ex-military officers who hoard technology and simultaneously fight an ethnic war against the Chinese population itself.(Including their Yangtze Republic brothers, as they are seen as "unpure") The Extremists will be a small faction with an extreme technology advantage and simultaneously extreme tactics and skill/experience. They'll be experts of technology and use vertibirds and unique variants of upgraded power armor, modified from hundreds of years of damage and shoddy field repair to dominate on the battlefield, however they fight in small teams and usually use hit and run tactics and stealth technology reverse engineered from the Chinese to hide themselves in plain sight. On the other side you have a vast dangerous swamp and jungle divided by cliffs In the swamps you have the fascists and the communists. They battle over the waterways and fertile lands in an endless ideological war. Further inland you climb the great cliffs and enter a comparative paradise, of endless rolling hills and fertile farmland. But as you go farther inland you begin to feel as though you're being watched. That's when the Emperor's Dynasty makes themselves known. Similar to the Legion of the Mojave these men base their customs and armour on ancient culture - in this case specifically the Ming dynasty. Similar to the Extremists of the opposite side of the Yangtze, the Dynasty fight an ethnic war, of Chinese purity, and are made up of former Royalist rebels as well as defected PLA remnants, perhaps they could be less evil than the Legion, dispensing of outright slavery but rather relying on a still highly unethical feudal warlord style of rule, with misogyny still everpresent in their society and the population divided into a peasant and a ruling class. Of course with their warlord style of leadership, there is endless possibility for backstabbing, sabotaging and infiltration missions, and outright infighting and civil war between lords. The various lords could all be based on different dynasties in their architecture, customs, and equipment/armour, but there could be a constant obsession with honour and loyalty to the Emperor shared between the tribes. I think this would be an excellent way to portray the extremely diverse and long history of China without being overwhelming in exposition and complication - with each settlement and their respective "tribe" representing a different era, all with a sci-fi and apocalyptic twist obviously. I'm by no means an expert, but, I'm just saying, if I _was_ This would be the mod I would make.
16:50 This should have been when the USA decided to push its advantage and try to negotiate a peace settlement rather than keeping up their advance and making the Chinese believe that all out nuclear warfare was the only option left (Then again, it's also possible that China rejected any sort of peace offers too...)
fun fact: the chryslus rocket 69 has been advertised to be so fast that it breaks the goddamn sound barrier could you imagine drag races or speeders on the highway with that thing
It's probably just a cordura mao suit, open top chest rig and a compact stealth boy lol. Most impressive feature is the chest rig holds 4 mags and will not have them falling on the floor while doing somersaults
Facinating how much history this game has before the time you start playing, Fallout 3 & 4 is my timeline. Playing since 2008 and just learned this info.
Something I realized is that if oil was so limited how were they able to fuel the war? How did they fuel the trucks planes and boats? I can see planes boats and submarines being powered by nuclear energy but if these things blow up it would cause nuclear explosions. Battlefields in Alaska would be irradiated but we don't hear or see it.
My guy, it was long term oil. They had enough oil for the present moment to wage a war. Germany ‘didn’t have oil’ before they invaded Norway, but they still had enough to invade.
Great video as always, may I suggest a future video of either what would happen if House made a contact with the brotherhood and what those effects would be at around the point of his awaking and the NCR coming to New Vegas or how a wasteland wide faction would work with all the lore and tech in the games in a post F04 world.
I find it a bit dumb all happened with Canada, it is not like if an invasion of Alaska happened, Canada would be like « Nah, you not passing through bro, I know we have all our defenses there, but Nah, not going thought me ». Also I don’t like how Canada is always annex and all, don’t you think having an allied who don’t want to die wouldn’t help you better than you taking over by force? It is such a trope I will never really understand. Nice video btw!
Plague, economic inequality and downturn, and an energy crisis.. A little similar isn't it? (obviously we haven't run out of oil yet, but they rise of green energy is not coming fast enough to replace it for several more years)
From my studies on the conflict here are my findings, 1: the Japanese Empire during this time was focused on keeping their Empire in Korea and China, they were ready to create a massive battle for the U.S during WW2 if the U.S decided to invade the main islands. The Japanese Generals had already lost the War. Even The General that had conducted Pearl Harbor had referred to the operation as a "bloody nose to intimidate the Americans against war". They we wanted to rack up U.S casualties so that the U.S would agree to a CONDITIONAL SURRENDER which would allow Japan to keep it's territory in China and Korea. The U.S didn't want to play this game, and didn't want to create hundreds of thousands of U.S casualties subduing the Japanese Islands (there are videos of Japanese civilians ready to fight U.S Marines with spears and swords). So the U.S elected to use the new Nuclear Weapons in order to force the Japanese into UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER (which means the Japanese agrees to whatever conditions the U.S sets). Because of Emperor Hirohito, this plan worked after 2 bombs, and because of such, Japan became a capitalist/entertainment powerhouse that it is today. Without the Nuclear Bombs and Hirohito negotiating for Japanese surrender, Nenetindo, Toyota, Honda, and many other Japanese contributions would not be possible.
Interplay, Obsidian, and Bethesda: "No one won the Sino-American War per se, since it was ultimately an inherently destructive and self-defeating endeavor, especially with the sheer cataclysmic power of nuclear weapons." Me: *feeling the breeze of the moral fly right over my head* "... so did we win?"
Though I'm not sure it would be executed well, I kind of want to see in the future a plot line in a new game where a faction from China ends up in America (a whole faction, not just one guy in a submarine like in F4), specifically Chinese loyalists that believe the war never ended. And I don't mean because they're old or crazy and don't realize the bombs never dropped, but due to an opinion held by their faction that because no formal documents detailing the terms of surrender or a treaty was drafted, they believe the war technically never ended, and it's their duty to find an authoritative faction in postwar America, and conquer them, thus in their eyes winning a 2 century long war. I feel like this could be a very interesting avenue to go down, with numerous possible outcomes, regardless of whether it's a side questline or a main one. Hell, this may be a good time to reintroduce the Enclave as a force to be reckoned with, though I'm not sure how well another retconned in surviving faction of the Enclave would go over with players. Just an interesting idea I had randomly while watching this video
Did you pay any attention at all? There was literally hyperinflation! Not to mention that nearly all gas was rationed or kept for the military, so it was an incredibly luxurious commodity.
Look up real examples of hyper inflation. This is not a wild situation it’s happened in real life numerous times. Look up Venezuela and post WW1 Germany.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes Yep. A cup of coffee and a jelly donut at Slocum's Joe is advertised as being "only $30", while cheap magazines were running in the $20 range. There's an ad for Giddyup Buttercup saying it's only $16,999 at stores, and I seem to recall a mention of the new Corvega model running somewhere in the mid six figures.
I always loved this part of fallout because it's so realistic to our own world. I really think a war between the US & China will happen around Alaska over location & resources. This war would be a third world war & would definitely go nuclear. I see this happening by 2040 or 2060
During the cold War in our time line it was believed if it went nuclear the northern hemisphere would obviously be destroyed and the southern hemisphere although would face hard ship would be generally intact due to a lack of important strategic targets however what became of the southern hemisphere in fallouts universe
There's a book called 'on the beach' it came out in the 50s, so some of the science is a little dated, but it's the story of Australia being the last country on earth as a massive fatal radiation cloud creeps towards the whole continent over months. Great book, very emotional.
Something I have noticed is how "Left" handed Fallout is. Just look at some of the weapons like a bolt action in Fallout 4. Some of the other graphics show the same with Power Armor clad figures with there rifles in the left hand. Just wondering.
Thanks for this. Tbh, I already made/watched this lore vid in my head because I’m also a self-proclaimed fallout dweeb lmao. Obv, yours is way more thorough…and real 😅
@@yaboiii6562 hell yeah just finished! The Fallout series changed my life. It taught me about the fragility of humanity. The tenacity of man. It also made me acutely aware of the parallels between our reality and the divergent timeline; rampant consumerism, resource depletion, military/corporate monopoly on every aspect of American life. I guess it just helped me to look at the world around me and ask why? Prob a big reason why I’m a political-science major. (Get my associates degree in June) Oh and that war, war never changes…😅
Strange F4 makes the "gas rpices" seem more realistic since they were nuclear powered cars and that was coolant instead of gas. I don't know how fast reactor coolant gets irradiated but presumably that single purchase would last you a long ass time. Then again we don't really have much of a basis as to what a livable wage would look like with such insane levels of inflaition to compare with how often you would be doing a multi thousand dollar fill up.
Not sure if there are Chinese Communists in the Philippines within the Fallout Universe. But there are Communist Influenced rebels in the Philippines which are the HUKBALAHAP and/or the CPP-NPA. But I could be wrong😅
Some vehicles were nuclear powered, but many still required oil, especially in China and places outside the US. Also what do you mean they sold coolant and not fuel???
@@beepbop6542 Signs at Red Rocket stations in FO3, FO4, and FO76 show the prices for two grades of coolant for the new nuclear-powered cars (the Corvega Blitz and Atomic V8 and the Fusion Flea, specifically). On the other hand, one of the resource-gathering bots you can build in FO76 is a Red Rocket service robot, which spouts RR commercials, one of which says that there were still a number of stations selling fuel for "that gas-burning clunker in your garage".
Odd fact I just realized: the Chimera in operation anchorage is the only non-US originating based vehicle actually seen in Fallouts universe.
Besides the UFOs and the TARDIS lol
Also the China sub though that’s a ship but I guess that’s splitting hairs.
@@steadyjumper3547 good point! I could've said ground based vehicle, but I was thinking about air more than sea and forgot that one :)
@@steadyjumper3547 to uber split hair here, a sub's a boat, not a ship. (unless ye's a landlubber, aarrrgg)
69th like les GOOOO
Also yeah it is huh 🤔
The Annexation of Canada must have been demoralizing. I definitely wish Fallout 4 explored that.
The problem is that they did not explain in the details if he Annexation is true. Some people argue that the US just said it and Canada decided to allow the US to move in while others agree it actually happened but there is two issues with that actually happening. 1st, someone in Canada would resist it and there is no mention of this issue. 2nd, Annexing Canada is technically an act of war on UK unless Canada joins the US by choice which is possible with an annex move.
@@Seriona1 Dawg there are mentions of Canadian resistance in literally the first cutscenes of fallout 1. "Our boys keeping the peace in occupied Canada" shows a dude in Power Armor executing a Canadian protester/insurgent. The Survivalist from Zion camion is implied to have worked on a military checkpoint in occupied Canada, with his gun having "STOP" written in both English & French on the stock, probably meaning there was restriction of movement for Canadians, as well as active Canadian resistance.
2. The UK has been reduced to near destruction like the rest of the European commonwealth even before the war. The war with the middle east and subsequent collapse of European peace probably means the UK is no longer in any condition to contest an American annexation of Canada.
@@Seriona1 The UK at this point in the timeline was part of the EU and in a civil war with the other half, I doubt they could afford to do anything at all seeing how they were quite busy.
@cat Austria was polled for that and a majority of Austrian's at the time voted for reunification due to circumstances after ww1, So your comparison between the two is ridiculous, if anything from ww2 should be brought up in correlation, it should be Germanies invasion of Czechoslovakia or the UK's Invasion of Iraq
@@Seriona1 theres no denying the U.S. can eat the UK but Its a big Historical hassle to not include the brits if Canada was Annexed
I really like how the writers depicted the war, a decade long one with massive casualties accompanied by economic meltdown.
Nukes were only employed after the existence of the chinese state and country was pretty much at risk of not existing, that's the policy most nuclear powers have in our timeline.
but hirosima and nagasaky was flatted as usa war maschine was growing and imperial japan falling already... it was it is and wil be the weapon of intimidation that most be used then and now to make people afraide of it....
@@urbangradisek5695 The IJA and the government may have been losing, but a large portion of their command were fanatics who intended to continue the war to the last man. A naval invasion of the Japanese Mainland or strategic bombing campaigns would be disastrous for US forces, and significantly worse for japanese civilians(of course, not counting Hiroshima/Nagasaki). It was a strategic choice. That being said, yes, it also served as a political demonstration of the power the USA now wielded, but that was a secondary effect.
@LOAN NGUYEN That might look as a justification of a genocide, even if the nuclear bombs weren't the worst what US did to Japan. Napalm bombings that were happening for weeks took much more civillians lives than nuking Heroshima and Nagasaki. The sad truth was that 1.5 million red army launched an attack in Manchuria at the time of nuking. So it wasn't just the bombs that made Japan generals to capitulate, it was the overwhelming attacking enemy forces from both sides. I truly believe that civvie murder at that time could have been avoided and there is no justification for using weapons of mass destruction unless only to defend one's country from real existential threat.
@LOAN NGUYEN Indeed. And the question is: where do we draw the line? For example I find the idea of "preemptive nuclear strike" frightening. It contradicts the MAD principle that held this world from becoming a real Fallout experience.
I also find it plausible that American generals of that time didn't yet understood the implications of nuclear weaponry. It was a new and unknown entity in 1944. And at the time of a WW2 might have looked as a perfect way to demonstrate a super weapon to the world.
@@AntPictures keep in mind. The "demonstration" served a dual purpose, both to strategically cripple japanese morale and war support, as well as provide a single point of "overwhelming power" to show the might of the USA. This further allowed the Japanese to capitulate far faster than what would be required of a naval invasion and strategic bombing campaign, meaning less time for the communists to gather more soil and expand their influence.
would be really interesting to have a fallout game set in anchorage, where the surviving us and chinese soldiers are still fighting, but already lost their reasons of why.
I find it unlikely they would keep fighter 200 years after the war. Mainly because most Chinese were dead/captured already(anchorage had been liberated) by the advent of the nukes, so it's unlikely they would have numbers to go against Americans again. That being said, a FPS game set during the Chinese invasion/American liberation of Alaska would be very cool.
@@joelfilho2625 Operation Anchorage
@@SLAYERxX420 It struggles due to being, you know, in the gamebryo engine, an engine mostly dedicated to RPGs and unfit for FPS games. The shooting is generally not satisfying, movement is clunky and actor numbers are rather small. I was imagining a new game, somewhat in the style of call of duty or Battlefield(but single player).
@@joelfilho2625 Call of Fallout sounds rather lame, but man - Battlefield: Fallout? Id nuke that :3
There's a mod that flirts with that idea, i think it was beyond Boulder dome. It was only for the opening act of the mod, though.
I love that in FO4 we come across the poor sub captain. Hes had 200 years to sit and look at what he did. You can tell through dialogue how much it eats at him. If he could, he would go back in time and stop himself from giving the order.
I think China suffered as much as rhe US in the FOU. They likely had survivors and their own version of a vault. It would be neat to go explore that possibility one day
@Vermouth Maybe. But what do you do if you are a Chinese ghoul that nukes USA? Other than spend the time to learn English and hope people forget that is :P
Fallout 3,4, and 76 are noncanon.
@@boobio1 oh? Source please?
@@boobio1 Wrong. The Fallout canon is what Bethesda says it is. For better or for worse due to them owning the licence to the game.
They'd have their own version of the Enclave, too; consisting of descendants of Pre-War CCP fanatics called the Party hidden in complexes across abandoned, strip-mined mountain ranges.
the sheer amount of Americans in China at the time would lead to a large American remnant which would make a cool dlc ! it probably wouldn’t happen due to it not being inside the united states but it would be a cool mod idea especially when you have access to a submarine with a captain who wants to return to China..
I'm pretty sure from a teaser about fo5 it's gonna be set in the uk but I may be misinformed but if it's true then there is hope 🤞
@@theillegalseagull6838 Pretty sure thats a mod for FO4
@@boyarkabya4000 maybe idk for sure like I said
@@boyarkabya4000 yeah it’s a mod
@@theillegalseagull6838 that’s the worst place possible for a new game bro
I don’t remember the exact quote but my favorite quote about war from Fallout (and one I think applies perfectly with the pre war days) is what the Enclave deserter/ship captain guy from Fallout 2 says“I realized it wasn’t America I was fighting for, but the rich old bastards who didn’t want to give up their power”
It would suck to be one of the U.S. soldiers trapped in mainland China after the Great War with no way to return home and surrounded by a hostile enemy force.
Same the other way around too really
@@Jkooowb yeah. We’ve gotten plenty of stories about Chinese remnants and their descendants, but I wonder if Americans had it any better or worse over there
@@nap0038Imagine a Fallout spin-off set in China
Just like the Shi
@@starset4life175 The Shi is such a underestimated faction. It had technological prowess that rivals that of Brotherhood. Or even better than Brotherhood.
And Shi are also very pragmatic. It could have really turned San Francisco into a bursting hub of human cilovization.
A mysterious disease? Gas prices spiking due to war? Conflict with China?
I thought this was a game, not real life! /s
almost life imitates art lol
Its funny, we have the new plague, and big brother government has the FEV to cure us all. It even works like FEV
@@Matt-md5yt i hope it is almost, cause I don't have a bomb shelter lying around
@@tinniestdog5148 Don't be bother, you still have 55 years to prepare!!!
@@Matt-md5yt more like shit never changes
The "Vault-Tec launched the first nukes" theory is pretty strong. I've seen a few theory videos, but what makes me believe it is the fact that the Vault-Tec logo is on the unexploded nuke in Megaton.
Also in New Vegas with the THE ONE near the devil hole
@@mpcrauzer For what it's worth, that bomb only appears with wild wasteland if I recall correctly.
that's not the vault tec logo on the nuke dumbass
Who...
Cares?
It could be 'Muhreekahns, it could be Shineeze, it could be Vault-Tec, it could be UN being wacky, it could be Robert Edwin House funning around with nukes, it could be some terrorists or revolutionaries - my point is:
Who cares?
but why put logo's in the nukes you're supposedly launching in secret
“Who drop the bombs first?”
M A R S
THANK YOU MARS FOR WIPING THE SLATE CLEAN
AVE, TRUE TO CAESAR!
Bruh there is a 90% chance you are 14 and have no friends
(schizo is pretty funny meme man tho fan base edgy as hell)
@@antiqe4286 most of his fans are, but he’s just a shitposter, so it doesn’t matter
Not attack, wipe the slate clean
@@antiqe4286 coping NCRtard
@@antiqe4286 Bruh there is 90% that you are a 30 year old basement dwelling neckbeard.
(Making personal attack on someone I never met is fun)
There needs to be a spin off title where we can play through the war.
Fallout: 2022
@@alexrichards1340 fallout 2061
Minor inaccuracy in your statement about the Enclave no longer existing: It is believed that the Enclave control the entire city of Chicago, and thus it would be likely that the city is their main headquarters now.
_believed_
Yes
But you know it’s Chicago
Chicago is shit and commies live there
They don’t control the entire city of Chicago because it’s Chicago
of all places they could've picked to control
how is that possible tho doesn't the mid western brotherhood which might be the most powerful brotherhood branch also in chichago and we know they at least exist in the canon
@@marveyzing1495 i do think the mid western brotherhood is not cannon
Imagine the Frontline of the War right before the bombs, power armor troops and sentry bots providing cover while Mister Gutsys and Soldiers charge forward with Vertibirds overhead, and also they might have a few Deathclaws in the mix
It would be dead communists everywhere. A beautiful sight to behold lol
I was just about to leave a suggestion to cover this on an older video.
Given how little we see of the rest of the world its entirely possible that China or the European commonwealth survived to some extent. It's also possible they rebuilt or didn't get hit as hard as the U.S. did
Africa probably came out relatively unscathed by the nukes. No one really has a reason to launch there. Africa could become the cradle of post-war civilization
@@dragonfell5078 it's entirely possible and actually probably the case for the wasteland
Hmm, I would definitely say that Europe fared better, since they weren't directly hit by nukes. But on the other hand; Europe likely suffered allot of destruction due to its own resource wars. Combine that with the massive death-toll from the radiation brought about by the great war, and you still have a continent that's largely ruined.
Now China on the other hand, has most likely been completely obliterated. Considering that it was the sole target of ALL of America's nukes, it's very unlikely that any of it remains. At best, it looks like the US does post-war. But at worst (and most likely) it resembles the glowing sea from fallout 4; making any thought of rebuilding a forlorn hope.
@@BJJGamer see the problem is we really don't know much about the great war itself, all we know is the US got hit and probably sent out strikes of their own but even then that's not a given
@@fallout0624 True, I'm not saying those are the facts, I'm just saying they are the most likely outcomes.
Funny thing, as a huge Fallout fan from childhood, I never knew real reasons for war. I completed Fallout 1-2 about 7 times and poured about 500 hours into Fallout 3 thinking about the chinese as just baddies, lmao
Everyone's a baddy in the Fallout universe.
Except the people in Tegeran - poor doodos got nuked waaay before this whole skidaddling squabble between the US and China reached it's highest point.
You have more in common with the average Chinese soldier and his family than any U.S. executive.
The way that the fallout cutscenes and commercials usually give the feeling that things in the US were just like 1950's, a golden Era, at least for me. I never knew that on the brink of collapse was the best that everyone had.
I thing gobi desert campagn was more a spec ops campagn rather than a full on invasion
There's a lot of references to Marines being in Gobi so it was definitely a full invasion
I also enjoy the fact that the Enclave’s calculations on the surviability of the United States, and because of EMP interference they weren’t able to coordinate with other cells. Ultimately, the few vital hours following the nuclear exchange is what cemented the Wasteland as what it is and could’ve been drastically different if the Enclave spurred into action way sooner
It's almost scary to think that some time in the future this could happen. Maybe not in the near future, but somewhere down the line something like this may be a reality.
Hopefully not! That would be utterly sad and horrible, working together is always better
It's going to happen at some point. All that has to happen is another world war which could be started in many different ways but the most likely trigger is China and Taiwan. The moment one side starts winning and threatens the existence of the other side, the nukes will go flying and its game over for us all.
This is one of my favorite parts of the lore since it shows how humanity progressed expect we see the word didn’t progress because instead of finding solutions to disagreements nope humanity did what always does fight and kill and lie and use each other. Also it brings up big who startled the Great War as many people say China but who knows there were so many lies and propaganda in the Great War that we’ll never know the truth but to the wasteland it doesn’t matter because as you said in this video war never changes but this war change everything
in fairness that's still finding solution to disagreement
the Great War is not a cautionary tale but more of a prophecy with real life resource wars happening. Putin won't stop until all of Congress admits that the US cheated at the end of the Cold War or all former Soviet states are brutally occupied and turned into fortress states.
It's possible de that china lunch it's nuke in a desesperate attempt to turn the tide of the war. Apparently the US was about to win the war when the nuclear holocaust happened
Funny how Master was completely right at the end.
*sign*
_Sometimes, I miss being in the Master's army..._
@@The-jy3yq no he wasn’t you can’t force people into unity that line about missing being in the masters army is because they had pourpose now they have none and are just mutants looking for a home the master was wrong if he had used to help people instead things could have turned out differently perhaps there could have really been unity
3:40 California gas prices be like.
Thanks for this chilling video! Great writing, narration style and art direction!
My bank just got hacked and emptied but it's a good day when yaboiii posts a new video!
the whole uranium shortage thing doesn't seem particularly realistic given the time frames were working with leading up to the great war but if you dropped that aspect from the resource wars the whole thing gets a tad unrealistic anyway, because its proven in universe that they can use nuclear for literally any purpose from powering cars to children's toys so why would the oil shortages have even been that big of a deal certainly there are still food shortages but its impractical for superpowers to go to war for food access rather than solve such issues domestically, though as i understand it the great strides in nuclear energy were kind of American centric
Exactly. Plus if they bothered to pursue diplomacy with China, war might not have even happened
Nuclear and fusion are different things. There was never a uranium shortage, and China invaded Alaska due to them needing oil because they had never invented fusion technology. They most likely had fission which is the Nuclear energy we are used to. fusion is basically replicating what a star does, whilst fission is smashing atoms together to spin a turbine which makes energy we can use.
@@Worshiper_of_Blakes_word Yet it is impossible to have nukes if you don't have nuclear reactors.
@@lolasdm6959 Ok? But the US had FUSION reactors, which are WAY better than FISSION reactors, which are what we have IRL and what the Chinese would've had.
@@beepbop6542 Well doesn't really explain why China would go to war with the US over oil... China can just use electric cars and nuclear fission.
Also the whole war doesn't make sense, If the Americans are already taking SEA from China than all the Chinese troops in Alaska are dead because the US would have naval superioirty and no supplies. It's a video game so don't think too hard about it.
“In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war”
-The slogan of Warhammer
FOR THE EMPEROR!
@@johnaustin209 *hisses incoherently*
@@Hesopod-w3b HERETIC!!!
I always loved the simplicity of the explanation for why Fallout happened. It didn't matter which side was worse because they both were guilty of monstrous crimes. Operation Anchorage was a good DLC but I feel like it failed to capture the conflict in its scale, I guess it's due to it being a simulation tailored for American interests. Fallout 4 had a chance to delve deeper into the war but again, Bethesda just struggles with writing that's beyond surface deep. It's preferable to consider to the Fallout west coast story where the actual story is naught but a string of loose theories and circumstance evidence from Ghoul perspectives. The truth being that it might have just been the culmination of Capitalism and Communist governments finally prove the worst out of each other.
I think the reason Fallout happened wasn't because of capitalism or communism. It was despresim, and need for victory by both sides that caused them to unleash nuclear war. Weather it was America or China or someone else that caused the 'Great War' is still up for debate.
The reasons for China firing off the nukes is pretty obvious. They were losing, on the edge of defeat, and there territories were in total chaos.
Possibly the Chairman Chang in an act of desperation launched all of China's nukes in hopes of Mutually Accured Destruction?
Reasons for America to fire the nukes is also obvious. Roits were common, desertion was high, and despite the victory groups in and around the U.S. were beginning to form break away States from America. Perhaps the President or Enclave or Congress though a swift deadly end was better then a slow one?
Then there is Vault-Tech, and Psychopathic robots.
Do we know if the other nuclear powers fired their arsenals aswell? I’d imagine the Soviet Union, India, Pakistan would still have their weapons.
We don't know but it was said in our timeline every nation has a plan to at least nuke the capitals of other nations so no one can become a superpower before the other nations can claw their way back up... so that's dark
@rimacutem of Alsvartrsmiðr Nah, it didn't, though it did fall out of relevancy as China rose as the world's biggest socialist power
The soviets didn't collapse, china just surpassed them in terms of military power
Huh, a interesting question, although those three powers were never mentioned in the great war (I believe) but it is for certain that they too might and i mean might have used it, since if the two superpowers started a nuclear exchange others might do so too as a last ditch effort to give one last (fuck you) to their rivals/enemies.
Also Hi Luft ! How are you doing mate !, don’t know-if you remember me or recognize me but i hope you are doing well !
(I came across your comment by accident lol).
Most likely, the only other canon place besides China being nuked was in Israel during the middle east- EU war when some terrorists took control of a nuke and nuked Tel Aviv in the early 2050s
A post war China DLC would be incredible
I imagine it would be similar to metro 2033 with the main antagonist being the remnants of the CCP like the enclave
Fallout Hong Kong just so we can have chicoms duking it out with redcoats
@@impressedsasuke8372 exactly
And old dynasty warriors types like Caesar legion
A DLC set in China for a future installment would be neat. I doubt we'll ever get a fallout completely set outside of America unfortunately.
fallout extreme a cancelled fallout game was actually supposed to be set in canada and would even see you crossing over to russia
Fallout London is a mod
I still think that the truth about the resource wars is that it actually happened because of overproduction, since most of the world markets already collapse before the war neither US or China got anyone to export their goods other than themselves, since they didn't want to do it between themselves the solution was the war as a way to maintain their industries.
Fucking loved the dad joke at the end.
The more and more I explored Fallout lore, the more and more frightful I have become for our future. It may be a game, but it has a lot of concepts folk could take away as a reflection of our real world politics.
History doesn’t often repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
True
Better version of the end joke:
"Did you hear about the two nuclear superpowers that got into an argu-"
It would be interesting to see how the fallout universe came to be through aspects like the censorship of cultural movements in the 1970s, the transistor never being invented and their goal to their idealized version of the future still stuck in the 1950s.
the transistor was invented in the fallout universe, but only in the 2020s and 2030s, and never took off.
It would be interesting if Fallout was set more in the 80s,
-many kinds of interesting weapons
-the Soviet Union and the US (including the Warsaw Pact and NATO) were very close to bombing themselves (like in Operation Able Archer of 1983)
And also
-synthwave
-pop culture references like The Terminator (1911 AMR hardballer with laser sight attachment), Alien (pulse rifle), Jurassic Park (SPAS-12), etc.
And many more
That bit about about the transistor never having been invented, or having been invented late, is not actually canon. It is a bit of false lore that has spread around on fan sites for years, but no official source ever corroborates it.
It made little sense that the transistor was not invented but yet they had technology to create indestructible holographic metaphysical beings they could manifest by dropping a small projectors.
Based timeline even though it got destroyed
You could argue that the Chimera was a fiction from the U.S general that helped with the simulation (operation: anchorage), and that could be absolutely true, since the general had lost his marbles by the time of this simulation (based on the text files you find in the game). But an equally compelling argument could be made for the Chinese retrofitting them as tanks for the conflict.
Think about it, the Chinese (based on Op: Anchorage) retrofitted Canadian mining machines to counter U.S power armor as a stop-gap measure in case the U.S tried to storm their pulse field with regular infantry.
While it is implied that the general giving advice to the simulation crew was PTSD'D and unreliable, there are shards of truth in that brain that leaked into the simulation you played in Op: Anchorage.
it seems that every day fallout becomes more realistic
True
After so many integration of fallout games taking place in the US, I would like one that goes to the Chinese mainland.
Here are some ideas I have for this hypothetical fallout game:
1. Have there be an equivalent to liberty prime that is a giant Kaiju mech based on Pulgasari
2. Have there be a “Tomb” that is actually a pre-war research base guarded by “Terracotta Soldiers” (advanced robots with a ceramic plating, have them be kind of bullet-spongey but the ceramic armor can be broken off)
3. Rename raiders to bandits
4. A companion that is a prototype autonomous suit of power armor, you encounter him being attacked by bandits looking to scrap him for parts, he can work as a traditional companion but can also be used as a suit of power armor (perhaps providing some bonus)
Agreed. I'm so sick of Americana.
There was a game planned for the initial fallout 3 game that got cancelled by black isle studios that would see the player travel to mainland china to put an end to the emperor's mad plan to launch another set of nukes on the continental US.
@@sargonassarg4356 Yeah, I think it was the first planned Fallout MMO, befoe F76 was even a thing.
Isn’t that weird how in this game it’s describing our reality we’re like in the beginning stages of this game right before the Great War. Oil shortages food shortages war is just around the corner damn the similarities are almost Word for Word.
It's based on headlines from the '70s, with the Big Bad changed from Russia to China. (It's not a coincidence that the video of the pacification of Canada in FO1 is extremely similar to footage from Vietnam before the fall of Saigon.) And if we'd decided to just double down on extracting resources and building the same wasteful cars and houses we were making at the time, instead of beginning even nascent conservation efforts, we might well have wound up in Resource Wars of our own...
It's been going on since we had societies. Same shit different day.
@@justiron2999 War. War never changes.
@@DeaconBlues117 Yee.
@@justiron2999 but do you really want to not have society? because then they could be a lot of more problem than just no war no more
Apart from maybe Cyberpunk, Fallout without a doubt has the most ominously relatable lore out of any game franchise I’ve played so far. At the very least, both definitely have me curious to see if something will actually go down in 2077…
Feels like a warning to the real world 💀
When I hear things like "America declared any political discontent as anti American behavior to cover up their wrong doings" makes me just nervously go "ha ha ha..."
Sadly, like any "warning", someone will see it as an instruction manual.
As a chinese who lives outside mainland all i can say to the People of the usa if you bully an guy too much you know what will happen to him.
And no not suicide
@@orange8420 I think you’ll find China IS the bully
Lol true
Hoped you cover this
Kinda sad that this is all close to being forgotten by the people of the Wasteland
Shows how Stupid War is
I always hoped they added some faction or even just a individual who was dedicated to preserving and teaching history. I know the brotherhood kinda do but it's really just technology not history. I mean there's enough pre war ghouls around, yet in fallout 4 people don't even know how baseball is played when they live in a arena for it 😂
@@Mad-rg9sz
The loss of history us over-exaggerated. There would be enough literature about baseball, that the basics would still be known. Though, it’s a minor flaw for such an interesting setting.
@@Mad-rg9sz The Followers of the Apocalypse are the faction you're looking for.
My soul died a little with the realisation that these days disclaimers like that are actually required for some of the smooth brain people who might believe it or for protection of monitization from a company overstepping the mark.
Smfh.
The SCP Foundation wiki has to _repeatedly_ state that things like the Hard-To-Kill Reptile (SCP-682) and Wondertainment's various reality-bending toys are fictional. I'm not surprised this video has the disclaimer.
Because the disclaimer blatantly ignores the fact that art tends to reflect reality and the views/opinions of its creators. Something something Isaac Asimov aptly said the same thing.
The artists and authors don’t come up with all of this background and other stuff without at least trying to think it through to make it appear plausible in their minds within the premise of their world. Which means that at least some of what they come up with comes from their actual ideas about reality. You can see the consequences of that in this very comment sections, as people compare it to reality.
Except it’s literally ridiculous beyond recognition, because it is in fact fiction, and it is in fact made by creative authors and writers, not realistically grounded people.
5:04 this can be atributted to inflation in the Fallout USD but yeah. 8k for a gallon of gas. In a car that was most likely designed to look good 1st and put safety or economy 53rd. This is comparable to the 1973 oil embargo, but that just made Asian imported cars popular since they sipped fuel. You really think in a 50’s style society Americans are gonna buy an Asian consumer product?
See now if only this was a tv series. I love the a whole Cold War vibe it’s going for
So until about a week ago I had no idea what Fallout was. Now I still haven't played a single minute of any of the games but the mythology seems very interesting and the scenarios discussed in this video very compelling and possible.
very well done thumbnail and video!
Scary how close this is
The world has ended back in 50s
Now we're just playing in a rich man's game with staged inflation, disease and pointless wars in middle east and Slavic countries
@@peternehemiah1606 meh I’d say 70s
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The fact that this could VERY WELL happen in our universe terrifies me
Its gonna happen bro i can give you so many obviously points but its a long type
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What a well thought-out lore and video.
This was a great video I had often wondered about the prewar conflict since aside from the anchorage dlc in fo3 and the Yangtze in fo4 I never really had much more context about it.
Just a suggestion maybe you should do a video about the father in fallout new vegas' honest hearts dlc (I think his name was Randal Clarke)
Oh this is feelin to be a banger.
Fallout moment
Sounds like were right on track 😪
Lol
I would love to see a Fallout game that focused solely on the Sino-American War. Not an RPG like a normal Fallout game but something more like old fashioned Call Of Duty where it specifically shows significant events throughout the war. We got something like that in the Operation Anchorage DLC for Fallout 3 but that was primarily focused on the end of the war in Alaska. I wanna see a game that tells the whole story!
the last time I was this early to a vid the platinum drip was on its way to las vegas
Would be really cool to see an expedition update to F76 like Operation Anchorage where you use a simulator pod to fight a prewar battle. They could also bring in the FN assault rifle from fallout 3 as a possible reward.
It was vault tec that dropped the bombs. I'd love for us to know details thou. Its super vague considering what lore we do have.
According to records in the DIA facility under Boston (FO4), the Chinese attacked by surprise. On the other hand, records in the Whitesprings facility (FO76) suggest that Thomas Eckhart of the Enclave might have taken it upon himself; there's an email from someone telling him that they were all trapped in a simulation by a rival group and the only way out was to destroy "what we perceive to be a small city in south-central China", and another from senior leadership telling him not to launch that attack - and what happened in that bunker immediately after the War shows us how much respect Eckhart had for the chain of command.
I may be a little hopeful but I feel like a FO5 set in "Ronto" with heavy enclave/brotherhood presence and an element of a "Freedom force" would narratively go hard asf
I'd really like to see a mod on Fallout 4's engine with a full campaign set in China.
Here's my recommendation;
Fallout: Yangtze
Set the world around the Yangtze river
If you know Chinese geography even slightly well you know this is one of the biggest and most important waterways in the world
In terms of gameplay you could have a very large map with mixtures of jungle, swamp, and rolling asian hills.
China has a long history of warlords, I think the most logical step in canon is to have the Yangtze province be sort of like the Chinese equivalent to the Commonwealth or even New Vegas, with indicators and wounds of the war everpresent, but new factions and settlements bringing some small humanity to the wasteland.
You could have a faction based on the pseudo-fascist pre-revolution Republic of China, a royalist faction based on the old dynasties(similar to the legion, but chinese warriors), and of course Communist PLA remnants.
But here's my twist.
Have a significant(but small) area controlled by an _American_ settlement, but here's the thing, you could go one of two ways(or, if you really wanna get fancy, BOTH)
First: Make them a direct US Army/Marine Corps descendant faction, obsessed with maintaining their fleet of power armor and advanced weaponry, a combination of Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave tendencies, with their own unique ideology based on hundreds of years of guerilla warfare behind enemy lines.
Second option: Have an NCR style mixed democratic community descended from both American occupying forces and local Chinese tribes, where they speak a mixture of English and Chinese and both is taught in their schools, and they have an impressive but underpowered military held back by the usual red tape of a democracy in the wasteland.
Here's one pitch for how this could work:
The Yangtze river acts as the great barrier.
On one side you have the "American remnants" with two factions fighting among themselves.
The Yangtze Republic, a democratic union of settlements with a mostly defensive army, with numbers but limited technology.
And the Extremists, a radical group of mostly ex-military officers who hoard technology and simultaneously fight an ethnic war against the Chinese population itself.(Including their Yangtze Republic brothers, as they are seen as "unpure")
The Extremists will be a small faction with an extreme technology advantage and simultaneously extreme tactics and skill/experience.
They'll be experts of technology and use vertibirds and unique variants of upgraded power armor, modified from hundreds of years of damage and shoddy field repair to dominate on the battlefield, however they fight in small teams and usually use hit and run tactics and stealth technology reverse engineered from the Chinese to hide themselves in plain sight.
On the other side you have a vast dangerous swamp and jungle divided by cliffs
In the swamps you have the fascists and the communists.
They battle over the waterways and fertile lands in an endless ideological war.
Further inland you climb the great cliffs and enter a comparative paradise, of endless rolling hills and fertile farmland.
But as you go farther inland you begin to feel as though you're being watched.
That's when the Emperor's Dynasty makes themselves known.
Similar to the Legion of the Mojave these men base their customs and armour on ancient culture - in this case specifically the Ming dynasty.
Similar to the Extremists of the opposite side of the Yangtze, the Dynasty fight an ethnic war, of Chinese purity, and are made up of former Royalist rebels as well as defected PLA remnants, perhaps they could be less evil than the Legion, dispensing of outright slavery but rather relying on a still highly unethical feudal warlord style of rule, with misogyny still everpresent in their society and the population divided into a peasant and a ruling class.
Of course with their warlord style of leadership, there is endless possibility for backstabbing, sabotaging and infiltration missions, and outright infighting and civil war between lords.
The various lords could all be based on different dynasties in their architecture, customs, and equipment/armour, but there could be a constant obsession with honour and loyalty to the Emperor shared between the tribes. I think this would be an excellent way to portray the extremely diverse and long history of China without being overwhelming in exposition and complication - with each settlement and their respective "tribe" representing a different era, all with a sci-fi and apocalyptic twist obviously.
I'm by no means an expert, but, I'm just saying, if I _was_
This would be the mod I would make.
Well, i dont think Yangtze can be a province
This seems like a video I would watch in class about history love it dude
16:50 This should have been when the USA decided to push its advantage and try to negotiate a peace settlement rather than keeping up their advance and making the Chinese believe that all out nuclear warfare was the only option left (Then again, it's also possible that China rejected any sort of peace offers too...)
fun fact: the chryslus rocket 69 has been advertised to be so fast that it breaks the goddamn sound barrier
could you imagine drag races or speeders on the highway with that thing
That joke at the end blue me away
Would've been cool to see what Chinese combat armor would've looked like
It's probably just a cordura mao suit, open top chest rig and a compact stealth boy lol.
Most impressive feature is the chest rig holds 4 mags and will not have them falling on the floor while doing somersaults
Never realized that the amount of dollar stacks we find in fallout is due to hyperinflation!
Facinating how much history this game has before the time you start playing, Fallout 3 & 4 is my timeline.
Playing since 2008 and just learned this info.
Something I realized is that if oil was so limited how were they able to fuel the war? How did they fuel the trucks planes and boats? I can see planes boats and submarines being powered by nuclear energy but if these things blow up it would cause nuclear explosions. Battlefields in Alaska would be irradiated but we don't hear or see it.
My guy, it was long term oil. They had enough oil for the present moment to wage a war. Germany ‘didn’t have oil’ before they invaded Norway, but they still had enough to invade.
@@farcried8279 . Are you implying that Germans wanted oil from Norway? Are you aware that Norway didn't produce any oil in 1940?
@@joexiden5798 Damn you’re right. But my argument still applies to the Caucuses
Ooooo-weee we're ahead of schedule
Great video as always, may I suggest a future video of either what would happen if House made a contact with the brotherhood and what those effects would be at around the point of his awaking and the NCR coming to New Vegas or how a wasteland wide faction would work with all the lore and tech in the games in a post F04 world.
I infiltrated Bethesda Studios and I can confirm Switzerland is still around and canon in the fallout universe.
And yet the Sino American war is a closer reality all the time
War never changes but it changes the world.
I find it a bit dumb all happened with Canada, it is not like if an invasion of Alaska happened, Canada would be like « Nah, you not passing through bro, I know we have all our defenses there, but Nah, not going thought me ». Also I don’t like how Canada is always annex and all, don’t you think having an allied who don’t want to die wouldn’t help you better than you taking over by force? It is such a trope I will never really understand. Nice video btw!
“The estimated cost per gallon being $7,450” and you think *your* gas prices are high
I feel like Fallout won’t be fiction anymore soon.
Except the power armor.
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@@mill2712 the power armor is more probable than a nuclear war
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At this point in history concerning geopolitics, I can't even tell you if that's a certainty anymore.
Plague, economic inequality and downturn, and an energy crisis..
A little similar isn't it?
(obviously we haven't run out of oil yet, but they rise of green energy is not coming fast enough to replace it for several more years)
From my studies on the conflict here are my findings,
1: the Japanese Empire during this time was focused on keeping their Empire in Korea and China, they were ready to create a massive battle for the U.S during WW2 if the U.S decided to invade the main islands. The Japanese Generals had already lost the War. Even The General that had conducted Pearl Harbor had referred to the operation as a "bloody nose to intimidate the Americans against war". They we wanted to rack up U.S casualties so that the U.S would agree to a CONDITIONAL SURRENDER which would allow Japan to keep it's territory in China and Korea.
The U.S didn't want to play this game, and didn't want to create hundreds of thousands of U.S casualties subduing the Japanese Islands (there are videos of Japanese civilians ready to fight U.S Marines with spears and swords). So the U.S elected to use the new Nuclear Weapons in order to force the Japanese into UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER (which means the Japanese agrees to whatever conditions the U.S sets). Because of Emperor Hirohito, this plan worked after 2 bombs, and because of such, Japan became a capitalist/entertainment powerhouse that it is today.
Without the Nuclear Bombs and Hirohito negotiating for Japanese surrender, Nenetindo, Toyota, Honda, and many other Japanese contributions would not be possible.
Interplay, Obsidian, and Bethesda: "No one won the Sino-American War per se, since it was ultimately an inherently destructive and self-defeating endeavor, especially with the sheer cataclysmic power of nuclear weapons."
Me: *feeling the breeze of the moral fly right over my head* "... so did we win?"
Though I'm not sure it would be executed well, I kind of want to see in the future a plot line in a new game where a faction from China ends up in America (a whole faction, not just one guy in a submarine like in F4), specifically Chinese loyalists that believe the war never ended. And I don't mean because they're old or crazy and don't realize the bombs never dropped, but due to an opinion held by their faction that because no formal documents detailing the terms of surrender or a treaty was drafted, they believe the war technically never ended, and it's their duty to find an authoritative faction in postwar America, and conquer them, thus in their eyes winning a 2 century long war. I feel like this could be a very interesting avenue to go down, with numerous possible outcomes, regardless of whether it's a side questline or a main one. Hell, this may be a good time to reintroduce the Enclave as a force to be reckoned with, though I'm not sure how well another retconned in surviving faction of the Enclave would go over with players. Just an interesting idea I had randomly while watching this video
7,000 dollars a gallon? Either Fallout had some wicked inflation or the writers don't understand basic consumer economics.
Did you pay any attention at all? There was literally hyperinflation! Not to mention that nearly all gas was rationed or kept for the military, so it was an incredibly luxurious commodity.
Look up real examples of hyper inflation. This is not a wild situation it’s happened in real life numerous times. Look up Venezuela and post WW1 Germany.
@@RicardoSanchez-es5wl I'm aware of both examples. Just didn't know Fallout had hyperinflation.
@@AsymmetricalCrimes Yep. A cup of coffee and a jelly donut at Slocum's Joe is advertised as being "only $30", while cheap magazines were running in the $20 range. There's an ad for Giddyup Buttercup saying it's only $16,999 at stores, and I seem to recall a mention of the new Corvega model running somewhere in the mid six figures.
@@RicardoSanchez-es5wl unfortunately history repeats itself
The value of money changes over time. For example a gun in the 1800s cost 1 dollar a rifle would cost 2.
Prewar history seems very close to our own time line lmao
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The Clintons and the UN had that habit of capturing countries through proxy wars
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Alot of this sounds like the real direction of current events...interesting
I always loved this part of fallout because it's so realistic to our own world. I really think a war between the US & China will happen around Alaska over location & resources. This war would be a third world war & would definitely go nuclear. I see this happening by 2040 or 2060
We are already in a 3rd World War
@@user-ut3zn1en9o you it just started 2 months ago. By the second or third year or could involve dozens of major countries at war with each other
@@michaelweston409 Might be over Taiwan instead of alaska.
@@Dee-sz4jc pretty sure they'd care less about taiwan if they're running low on food and petrol
@@Dee-sz4jc I doubt China would go for Taiwan. Propably go for Japan.
i can see the price of donuts reaching 200 bucks by 2050
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During the cold War in our time line it was believed if it went nuclear the northern hemisphere would obviously be destroyed and the southern hemisphere although would face hard ship would be generally intact due to a lack of important strategic targets however what became of the southern hemisphere in fallouts universe
There's a book called 'on the beach' it came out in the 50s, so some of the science is a little dated, but it's the story of Australia being the last country on earth as a massive fatal radiation cloud creeps towards the whole continent over months. Great book, very emotional.
Its taken me 25 years to think of this but Moving from Washington DC to the West Coast would of put the Enclave much closer to China...
Something I have noticed is how "Left" handed Fallout is. Just look at some of the weapons like a bolt action in Fallout 4. Some of the other graphics show the same with Power Armor clad figures with there rifles in the left hand. Just wondering.
Thanks for this. Tbh, I already made/watched this lore vid in my head because I’m also a self-proclaimed fallout dweeb lmao. Obv, yours is way more thorough…and real 😅
Glad you enjoyed it mate!
@@yaboiii6562 hell yeah just finished!
The Fallout series changed my life. It taught me about the fragility of humanity. The tenacity of man. It also made me acutely aware of the parallels between our reality and the divergent timeline; rampant consumerism, resource depletion, military/corporate monopoly on every aspect of American life. I guess it just helped me to look at the world around me and ask why? Prob a big reason why I’m a political-science major. (Get my associates degree in June) Oh and that war, war never changes…😅
Lots of the same reasons I love the series, and congrats on the upcoming graduation !
Been binging your vids, subbed!
This feels real
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Strange F4 makes the "gas rpices" seem more realistic since they were nuclear powered cars and that was coolant instead of gas. I don't know how fast reactor coolant gets irradiated but presumably that single purchase would last you a long ass time. Then again we don't really have much of a basis as to what a livable wage would look like with such insane levels of inflaition to compare with how often you would be doing a multi thousand dollar fill up.
Not sure if there are Chinese Communists in the Philippines within the Fallout Universe. But there are Communist Influenced rebels in the Philippines which are the HUKBALAHAP and/or the CPP-NPA. But I could be wrong😅
I really want them to expand more world lore to the fallout universe.
Weren't the vehicles nuclear powered? And they actually sold coolant not fuel
Some vehicles were nuclear powered, but many still required oil, especially in China and places outside the US. Also what do you mean they sold coolant and not fuel???
@@beepbop6542 nuclear gas stations didn't sell uranium as fuel but dissipating coolant for the nuke cars
@@beepbop6542 Signs at Red Rocket stations in FO3, FO4, and FO76 show the prices for two grades of coolant for the new nuclear-powered cars (the Corvega Blitz and Atomic V8 and the Fusion Flea, specifically). On the other hand, one of the resource-gathering bots you can build in FO76 is a Red Rocket service robot, which spouts RR commercials, one of which says that there were still a number of stations selling fuel for "that gas-burning clunker in your garage".
I do hope we get to explore the other nations and lore in other medias
Fallout gameplay: hehe shoot ghouls and do quests
Fallout lore:
The supposed magnificence of power armor always seemed silly to me. It's just a slightly better armor, not the Super Mario star.