Archaeologists Made an Unbelievable Discovery at the Bottom of the Sea
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- In this video, we review the Solutrean Hypothesis in light of recent underwater discoveries. In the Chesapeake Bay of Virginia, a small scallop trawler was dredging the seafloor in 1974, about 230 feet below the water's surface and about 60 miles offshore. When they lifted their net, they discovered a partial mastodon skull that had started to go extinct about 12,000 years earlier. The fishermen also noticed a flaked blade, which they later discovered was made of rhyolite, a rare volcanic rock.
The mastodon tusk was found to be more than 22,000 years old by marine archaeologists who measured the fraction of radioactive carbon isotopes. Although it was impossible to pinpoint the blade's exact age, the flint-knapping method it used was comparable to that of Solutrean tools, which were made in Europe between 22,000 and 17,000 years ago. The new hypothesis might now be known as the "Creswellian Hypothesis" in light of the new information.
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There is no evidence that Solutreans were the first to discover America or introduced the Clovis point, or contributed to the genetics. But the fact is that spearpoints nearly identical to those found in western Europe were found in eastern North America and they date to the same period, around 20,000 years ago. There is evidence that people were using boats and travelling to the Artic long before 20,000 years ago so people were very capable to make this journey.
Haplogroup X was identified in small numbers of Native Americans; specifically in the Maritime Provinces and Saint Lawrence region. Evidence does exist of transoceanic capability; it's called the Archaic Maritime Culture, and was discovered along the Penobscot River. The prevalence of Red Ochre burials, and the polished slate harpoon heads, hooks, and awls for woodworking prove it.
AG, what happened to the video "Anthropologist Collected Nearly 1000 Human Skulls"? I can no longer find it. Thanks.
@@jameswells554 The "Peopling of the Americas" is being re-written as we sit here on our asses typing. This movie is just getting started. It is full of surprises and unsung heroes and some incredible feats. Everyone who poses as an "expert" today will look like a pompous fool in the future. These will be some of the greatest stories of mankind, and nobody knows what they are today. And the people who think that they know who they are today, will be forced to face the fact that we are all each other. So that will be pretty cool.
It's a pity that these fascinating subjects have been hijacked by fringe groups of white supremacists as well as some of the more radical AmerIndian spokespersons, who try to insert their political messages into totally legit scientific discussions!
What happened to the AmerIndians after the voyages of a certain Christopher Columbus - whose real name and origins are still somewhat of a mystery btw - introduced and established frequent transatlantic sea voyages to the American continents, is a tragedy of epic proportions for the people who populated the Americas at the time of Columbus' arrival. We cannot even begin to imagine how terrible it must have been when complete AmerIndian societies were destroyed by oppression, warfare and contagious diseases, which might've claimed up to 90 percent of some indigenous populations and annihilated their culture. Even the Great Plague waves of the Middle Ages didn't claim so many lives in Europe. But this human tragedy doesn't become somehow less important and less tragic if the direct direct Asian ancestors of today's AmerIndians have indeed not been the first humans who set their feet on the American continents. And even if groups who came from Asia to the Americas, wiped out or replaced a small population, which may have arrived earlier, this should not influence our opinions about the far more recent history of AmerIndians and their clashes with Spanish or Portuguese conquistadores and other European immigrants. And there is no reason for white supremacists to rejoyce if people who came from the Eurpoean continent, were indeed the first humans who reached the Americas. But this early migration would have happened at a time when "European" as a cultural and genetic group identity didn''t even exist, and these people might not even have been white.
It's also ludicrous to argue that land claims which are based on treaties which have been made in the 19th century, should be less valid because the genetic ancestors of today's Amerindians might not have been the first humans who reached the Americas.
Another vexing problem is the lack of openmindedness of scientists who hate to question and, if necessary, abandon established scenarios, and who are not willing to accomodate new discoveries, but ridicule colleagues who try to discuss new evidence. The clovis-first scenario has become highly unlikely by now, but there are still scientists who don't want to let go of their convictions. And too many anthropologists still underestimate the sea faring capabilities of our early ancestors, although it's obvious that humans must have used water routes as soon as they started to migrate out of Africa!
@@sabineb.5616 funnily enough the oldest AMH remains are not found in Africa, but in Europe and Asia. There has never been any proof of AMH developing in Africa; but instead the genetics are more suggestive of a move into Africa and a later cross with a Ghost species (within the last 10k year period) not found amongst Europeans or Asians. Yeah. They fucked a monkey. Sub Humans.
Back in the mid-1970’s I was stationed in eastern Virginia where I met an individual near Petersburg. He had been out collecting arrowheads, spear points, knives and the like. I told him I used to hunt similar artifacts in Oklahoma where I was raised. During the course of our conversation he stated he had many points that were almost exact copies of points he had found years earlier in present day England and France. He also stated he had found this in more than one type of point. He was of the opinion these points were made by European natives who had migrated from Europe to North America. He lamented that no archeologists that he had spoken to and shown his collection to would come out publicly and agree that this was a possibility. He further stated he thought the Clovis points originated along the east coast of North America in that more Clovis points had been found in the east than in the west. In fact, he stated, one could map the location of Clovis point finds on a map of North America and one would see a progression of many finds in the east and diminishing finds as one moved west. I wonder if anyone has ever realistically looked into this.
On so many levels, the freedom to discuss different hypotheses and possibilities is important, and eventually the good ideas from of old are verified. His attempts were not in vain!
There is a theory I learned in university that the Clovis culture for thousands of years was based in the eastern United States (seemingly centered in Delaware), and only sent hunting parties out west. There is some thought that they thrived on fishing, and hunting big game was a secondary food source. That idea is not popular, 'cause then it would not support the idea that Clovis was responsible for the mass extinction at the Younger Dryas (which is a horribly outdated theory, but it still lingers on).
That’s fascinating, Robert!
I hope that Your Friend properly documents his finds, and that there will be an open-minded Archeologist/Team who can/Will champion (and publish) those findings!
This certainly seems plausible to Me.
The Scientific Community (and Humanity) is so hampered by unwillingness to consider new theories.
Perhaps You could put him in-touch with Those involved in the studies behind this video???
Thank-You for sharing!!!
@@shelleymcafee8197 - I wish I could do that but I met this guy in 1976 at a hamburger joint. I do not remember his name, but I did get to see about two dozen or so points and scrappers.
As an Ojibwa native, I find the solutrean story very interesting as it coincides with our cultures origin story of coming from the east and moving westward. When we die, even our graves are facing west. And as for crossing the Atlantic, the Inuit move quite well across the vast ice flows .
It’s the story of where we came from that just fits the theory so well. Interesting 🤔
You may be interested in this or already aware of it, but The Ojibwa are likely Jaredite, and crossed the Atlantic from Babel at the time of Jared. Jaredite from the Book Of Either. Kennewick Man is one of these people.
I believe all Algonkin peoples are descended from the Solutreans who mixed with the populations that came out of Beringia in Alaska.
Very, very interesting. It seems the Americas were peopled by many different groups of people. I think when it is all figured out, it will be a less-than simple story but one that is a rich tapestry of migration and discovery. What I do not understand is that indigenous peoples like the Ojibwe are not listened to.
The truth of the matter is that humans arrived in the New World on multiple occasions from multiple places, Europe included. Its also probable that some Native American groups may have spread back across the sea to the Old World. The more we look, the more we find.
This discussion always gets caught up in recent history but 20,000 years ago the concept of "Europe" didn't mean anything.
Tad Blackington - Somewhere I read that in his youth Christopher Columbus made a trip to what is now England where he either heard of or actually saw a North American native who was found heading east in a kayak. Supposedly, over many years several had been found. From this story or actual encounter he surmised there was a land as to the west of Europe. This, coupled with the stories passed around by the Vikings, was part of his story to the King and Queen of Spain as he tried to get them to underwrite his voyage west to ‘Asia’.
When I was stationed in Panama in the early 1970’s I attended a lecture presented by an archeologist who stated he had found ancient boat anchors of the type used by Chinese fishermen thousands of years ago. He was promoting the idea North America was populated by East Asians who had arrived by boat. As part of his lecture he went so far as to state evidence had been found in eastern South America of African natives who probably came to the ‘New World’ via boat. He did not show any slides or artifacts to support this comment. I think what it all boils down to is the fact we still do not know who populated North and South America first and that we will need more investigations. I look forward to what comes up.
Sweet potatoes were found in Polynesia, so it's known that they came (possibly from S. America)
What I love about your channel is you are not afraid to cover topics that go against the status quo like the Solutrean Hypothesis or Out of Asia.
I appreciate that!
Lots of evidence that doesn't fit the official approved narrative of history being found or re examined. The modern day idea of social justice or whatever it's called being used to shut down legitimate scientific inquiry is kinda played out. The race card doesn't work anymore. Been used to often.
I believe that Solutreans made the voyage from Europe to N. America. At the time, the Atlantic would have been narrower due to drawdown in ocean level due to extensive glaciation. Would the trip have been difficult? Certainly. Would it have been impossible? No.
Drawdown would give you a few miles each end of a trip - unimportant if you dont know how the long the Atlantic crossing would be anyway! The initial 'voyage' would likely be accidental - unexpected land seen to the west ... lets check it out. If the ice fringe could keep them alive OK the could go a long way to the west, but i ma not sure anyone has modelled what it might have looked like
@@keithtinkler4073 The theory posted implied that there was extensive ice shelves to use.
@@keithtinkler4073 None of this means they didn't make it.
This story is straight out of "Across Atlantic Ice", which is very convincing. The book does not say that Clovis was derived from Europe. The Solutreans traveled similarly to more recent eskimos by hunting seals along the way. Much more very good info in the book! The point found at Meadowcroft in PA is earlier than Clovis and I believe similar to this noted biface.
One thing I've learned about ancient peoples is, they were very adventurous
And dangerous. I bet a paleo man could easily take down at least 4 21st century men.
Have you heard about the skeleton recently retrieved from the brea tar pits. They estimate the age @ fifty thousand years old. That would predate any other known human skeleton found to date.
Wait - there was a human skeleton in La Brea? Really? Evidence/link please!
@@scottwheeler9579 I shall endeavor to get the information from the site I watched and post it here for you. It was released recently and should not be hard to find again
@@scottwheeler9579 I apologize for the inability to relocate the video. I may have misunderstood the facts. The only thing I can find now is the woman was found in 1914 and the other fossils are around 50k years. There has been a reconstruction of her remains recently and there is controversy about the authentication of the final rendition being accurate.
Once again my apologies for the misunderstanding on my part. If I do relocate what I was referring to I will definitely post it here
You will find that there is a clean break between the Megafauna/Solutrean age and the Clovis/"present" age.
The megafauna age came to a sudden and catastrophic end globally and the evidence for that can be found in both northern
and southern hemispheres, often in "fossil caves." There is also evidence that people from the Mediterranean area were
traveling to the Americas 2-3000 years ago - in boats. No one appears to consider that the climate was different then.
Some archeologists believe it was Phoenicians visiting Olmecs, may explain the Tale of Quetzalcoatl (Carthaginians / Phoenicians also practiced human sacrifice)so it would make sense they had some contact
A number of Roman amphoras were found off Rio de Janeiro though the Brazilian government later buried them. Mustn't think anyone but the Portuguese discovered Brazil.
I love a good mystery. Combine learning new things with a treasure hunt and you have all the makings of an adventure.
Excellent! This channel and your other channel has become my favorites.
Wow, thanks!
@@MysteriousOrigins1 I can tell you dedicate yourself to this very interesting topic. Thank you for presenting your ideas and opinions.
When i was growing up in illinois the perry mastodon was discovered in a back yard while digging a swimming pool. In glenn ellyn i believe. The suburbs used to be farmland and were on a glacial morraine. I used to dig up granitic rocks with large crystals, and massive quartz rocks. I also found some jade. Illinois is karst terraine, so dolomite and relasted units are normal there. How the granitic got there is glacial movement. So i lived on an outwash terraine left behind. The valpriso morraine.
It's funny that you talk about first peoples and then mention so readily the English Immigrants to Celtic Britain as if 'the english' were actually somebody?
20,000 years ago nobody knew what a European, Englishman or American was. Everyone were just hunter-gatherers.
@@MysteriousOrigins1 So you as a so called 'not of 20,000 years ago' still have such little knowledge that you deem The United Kingdom to be england? Their are 4 countries in the United Kingdom, hence the name. If you can't handle the present don't pretend to know anything about the past. Besides your computer speak is poorly presented .. you need an upgrade.
@@MysteriousOrigins1 And Cannibals.
They know the solutions existed but do they know who they are related to today or if they didn't survive? Maybe if they find some bog bodies in the Chesapeake Bay Area that would give us a lot of information?
Probably better to investigate the huge middens that have over time been incorporated (but now exposed due to erosion) in the large sand 'banks' along the south shore of the Corsica River off the Chester River (Chesapeake Bay) in Maryland..... that's quite near Oyster Point where the 23,000 y/o solutrian 'point' was found.
And then, there is the Legends of the pre-Beothuk people of Newfoundland .... red haired, very tall and muscular
Doggerland where the Black Sea is today? You mean the North Sea aren't you?
Doggerland is in the Baltic Sea, not the Black Sea.
Good fact check!
@@MysteriousOrigins1 Actually, I believe Doggerland is beneath the North Sea...
It was in neither of those. It was in the North Sea.
@@Retrograde81 Yep, you're right...but I was closer than he was.
The Dogger Bank is in the North Sea roughly between Denmark and Northern England.
This is some wonderful and very compelling information. It's to bad main stream everything has its head buried in the sand. Thank you for the video. Very much enjoyed it
The boat is a very old invention. Remember, the Australian Aboriginals have been there for 60,000 years.
If you can build a boat, the whole world becomes your bitch, I mean beach..
They did some DNA on some people in Argentina and found some had ancestry from Australia.
"Austronesian"
If you do DNA on me, you'll find Serf, Slave, Farmer, Hunter, Neanderthal, Monkey, little Monkey, Lizard, and Fish. If you look at my DNA you'll find that I've been all around the world.
Native American lore speaks of red-haired giant cannibals, so it's possible these were the "giants" that died out
Good grief; Doggerland was where the North Sea is, not the Black Sea.
isolated error, get over it.
"So depleted of mega-fauna is our own world, that it is hard to imagine how thick on the ground large mammals once were." ~Ancient Geographic
Fascinating, great stuff. Thanks.
"The mechanism of nature is survival of the fittest because it's necessary for human evolution. Imagine if our ancestors never came out of their caves or explored the wilderness. Never risk their lives or followed their guts and their testosterone. Humanity would still be living in the stone age and the Americas would never have been discovered." ~Ancient Geographic
All the above likely and every combination in between.
Likely , but not on any significant scale . Bit like the Inuit and other north American people who turned up in Scotland , a few but not enough to say they were ancestors of the scots
Bro why does no one mention the fact that the Arctic ocean would have been completely solid and the shortest distance to travel across from Europe to America.
No food on top of the solid ice cap. The ice would be too thick. The Solutreans could only forage along the edge of the ice where seals and fish were accessible. It might be a shorter distance over the polar area, but it wouldn't matter if the people would starve to death along the way. Maybe if they already knew exactly how long it would take, they could bring enough food, but if they were depending on forage along the way it wouldn't be possible.
Little chance of survival, also the ice caps were ginormous, they'd have to do an insane level of climbing down ice to get into the green "valleys"
You can cross over the Polar Ice, it's been done several times. Bring a sled full of food and maybe some dogs and if you have to, be prepared to eat your dead friends and be prepared to kill and eat Polar bears or hunt seals through their breathing holes and you're in. Eskimos have been living in the high arctic Canadian Islands (Ellesmere Island, for example) for thousands of years, having babies and doing just fine. You could take a high arctic route "across the top" or your could take a "low" route skirting the ocean ice edge. A Japanese guy did it solo, all on his own eating dried caribou meat. It's totally do-able. Plus, people were much tougher back then, before couches were invented. It can be done, it has been done. Why don't people mention it? Because the academic field that deals with these things is super-petty and territorial and tribal and jealous and don't get out in the real world enough. They sit at desks and try to figure out how to teach less and publish more. Sacred cows are still worshipped. They love attacking each other's work with skepticism and sowing doubt. Screw them and screw their politics. We're people too. It's our history, it does not belong to them.
@@zipperpillow Like I said, if they knew how long the trip would take, maybe it would be possible to cross the ice cap. I think the trip along the edge of the ice is more probable. If nothing else, it was not as cold further south.
@@Mishn0 Cold isn't a problem. Cold is better than warm. Cold is dry, so your clothes don't get wet with water and sweat, plus your boots stay dry in cold snow. Warm, wet snow and you move slower, mushier traction, wet boots, wet clothes.....wet is very dangerous for hypothermia. Cold is better. Plus meat stays frozen and doesn't rot. Thawed meat doesn't last very long before it starts getting green and rotting, so cold is better for food too. If you eat raw meat, you don't need cooking fires and fuel, so you can travel further every day. Cold is good.
We should not be called Homo Sapiens, but rather Homo Verro, man the wanderer.
Bingo. Speaking for myself, I'd go by, "Man the constant Explorer". The whole world is my home.
Also in China they had red headed mummies.
The mummies are from the Tarim Basin, which is a super-dry desert in the middle of the Eurasian continent as far from water or coastlines as you can be. The mummies migrated from Europe before they became mummies.
The thumbnail looked like the found a surfboard,....that would be sick!!
Native people's had dogs, yet there is almost no trace of their genes in modern breeds, even for chihuahuas or the Mexican hairless.
Also, the meteor impacts on the north American ice sheet that caused the Younger Dryas wiped out much of the life in north America so there is little wonder ancient Europeans didn't leave a mark on the genetics of indigenous Americans.
It is quite possible that Solutrians made their way to N. America, just as many other groups may have. The remains of a stone age man found in Washington was said to have favored the earliest people of Japan. Remains found in a S.American cave and the oldest found were said to have favored Australian aborigines. We are looking back in time when, I believe, there were no European, Asian, African types, as we know them. The cheddar man of Britain may have had blue eyes, but he was darker skinned. Wherever and whatever DNA results that have been found and can be checked have always led to some Native American's ancestor. They've been here for a long long long time, regardless of archeological conjectures.
People were exploring the world in boats long before Columbus
European peoples have been trying to gain a foothold in the Americas for a very long time...
Good one.
If Inuit can function hunt and travel near Arctic ice, why couldn't a Solutrian culture? Just keep moving west.
But...if you love the taste of raw seal, why leave the ice?
@@zipperpillow the seals went south to the spanish coast and solutrean hunters followed because less animals on landside
@@elkefaber8873 We watched the same movie, and listened to the same hypothesis. You could also get there hunting whales/following whale migrations, or just get storm-tossed there if you were on a boat, even a kayak will do. It's not at all far-fetched.
@@zipperpillow inuit in Kajaks from greenland were seen on faröer and Scotland Coast, they called them finnmen
@@elkefaber8873 Yes, I know. The Irish have legends about 1/2 seal, 1/2 human water-creatures called "silkies". These were actually Eskimos, who climbed out of sealskin kayaks, wearing sealskin clothes with sealskin hoods....so they looked 1/2 seal.
Gonna need more than points to prove that, they may look similar they may not. Hopefully they find ways to find more things in there, like LIDAR or something
I always get a kick out of hearing how artifacts can sit in museum collections for decades before “being discovered by archaeologists”.
Methinks some may play fast and loose with some words. 😂
The Solutreans and its culture did not only exist in France but in Spain as well and yet there is no mentioned of Spain in the entire video.
That's what I mean we are made of many different groups of people
I have a vid showing how solutrian points were made. I gather that the points were not bifacially worked, but unifacially, that is only one one side.
The hypothesis is a hot topic because traditional scholars don't think it's pc
True hypothesis or not, I've always thought Solutrean theory has been dismissed a little too quickly.
You lost me when you said people were just looking at facts in order to deny Native Americans their land. No one was native to this continent, we all migrated... and I say that as a "Historical and Archeological Fact," not as someone trying to deny land. What a biased way for you to talk about history. I don't like it when people try and take history and make it political. It makes history shallow and you miss a lot of the context when you are just stuck in your personal bias.
"Nothing Before Clovis!“ is still taught to Archeologists. Heaven forbid you should continue digging below Clovis artifacts.
One would expect to find some traces in native americans of these ancient europeans. Problem is that the early europeans are not gentically the sane as modern europeans. Native american genetics probably needs to be looked at for trace signatures that could be from early europeans.
We also need to consider if early native americans made it to europe.
Very good points!
There is a book, American Discovery Of Europe, which makes this point. Jack Forbes is the author. Makes good points.
I remember reading a few years ago (10?) that the Ojibwa tribe in Canada showed an ancient European gene that derived from Stone Age Europe.
@@TheSteveRobinson
The American Journal of Human Genetics
Volume 63, Issue 6, December 1998, Pages 1852-1861
Summary
On the basis of comprehensive RFLP analysis, it has been inferred that ∼97% of Native American mtDNAs belong to one of four major founding mtDNA lineages, designated haplogroups “A”-“D.” It has been proposed that a fifth mtDNA haplogroup (haplogroup X) represents a minor founding lineage in Native Americans. Unlike haplogroups A-D, haplogroup X is also found at low frequencies in modern European populations. To investigate the origins, diversity, and continental relationships of this haplogroup, we performed mtDNA high-resolution RFLP and complete control region (CR) sequence analysis on 22 putative Native American haplogroup X and 14 putative European haplogroup X mtDNAs. The results identified a consensus haplogroup X motif that characterizes our European and Native American samples. Among Native Americans, haplogroup X appears to be essentially restricted to northern Amerindian groups, including the Ojibwa, the Nuu-Chah-Nulth, the Sioux, and the Yakima, although we also observed this haplogroup in the Na-Dene-speaking Navajo. Median network analysis indicated that European and Native American haplogroup X mtDNAs, although distinct, nevertheless are distantly related to each other. Time estimates for the arrival of X in North America are 12,000-36,000 years ago, depending on the number of assumed founders, thus supporting the conclusion that the peoples harboring haplogroup X were among the original founders of Native American populations. To date, haplogroup X has not been unambiguously identified in Asia, raising the possibility that some Native American founders were of Caucasian ancestry.
@@loquat44-40 Well, I was off by a few years but I did remembering reading something about this European Stone Age gene.
New genetic and dating techniques show that these artifacts were 140k years old 100k years before sultreans …. That’s is why they left no genetics in natives .. which flips history on its head
The robotic narrator detracts from the communication of information, at times.
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Experimental scientist tried to remake the tool from stone and it was hard to work out to get the special form. So the similiarity of the stone tools is not random but traditional handcraft over Generations of hunters in europaen solutrean culture.
Um, @5:46 a couple of the figures look human. But most have horns and a tail. Those don’t look like humans to me.
Too much Archeology is mired in "either/or", blinding and binding scholars to one view or another! There is little purpose in supporting one view against another, just due to lack of evidence, we weren't there! Human ingenuity suggests no reason for us to have come from one direction alone! Indeed, fear of water may have prevented other "higher" simians from considering boating, perhaps similar to our singular use of pack animals to spread? One hypothesis, often enough, is as good as another, and why not both! It's tRICKy!
Native Americans have been counting winters on “turtle island” for over 33k years!
Dogerlamd was not in the Black Sea but the North Sea
It seems to me that this whole hypothesis hinges on the idea that because two stone tools look the same they must be the same culture. However that is a very narrow minded view and not one that I could agree with. There are many projectile point types that look similar or identical to the laurel leaf point of the solutreans. Angostura’s from Texas, Boat’s Blades from New England and Cascade lanceolates from the PNW to name a few. I do agree that the Clovis first model is outdated and that humans settled the Americas much earlier than previously thought. It’s just we need more concrete evidence.
@6:40 reference to Black Sea as occupying doggerland? English Channel and North Sea perhaps.
North Sea yes 🤓
Descriptive words used to identify artifacts imprint psychologically upon the masses.
I'm not convinced of this hypothesis. We are looking at the tools of mammoth hunters. It's not so surprising that similar tools would be fashioned.
I don't doubt seal skin boats, but I do doubt such long distance over open water and shelf ice.
That would imply that you doubt that Eskimo/Inuit people made their own way across the Arctic.
The Ancient Egyptians we're in the Ancient America's as well.
Queen Scotia of Ireland/Scotland was Egyptian
OR.......was it the other-way-around? America has pyramids too.
7:27 Union Jack. As the only today's european males that are still related with the ancient Europeans that could arrived to America westwards are the Iberians + Sardinians , the flag has little sense.
Someday they'll wake up.
Humans, tens of thousands of years ago, using little more than cryptocrystalline silicates, wood, bone, hide, and sinew, could travel across any terrain, in any climate. I have no doubt that they were mariners as well, but, because the coastal environment is so abrasive, little evidence of their doing so was preserved.
Either that....OR.....they practiced "minimal impact camping", they didn't litter, and they left nothing but footprints and turds, like good, responsible backcountry users should.
@@zipperpillow I’ve done my best to do the same in the backcountry when I’m backpacking, peak bagging, and on the water…but my whole kit is made out of plastic and other junk thanks to clever marketing.
@@SmokeGray Skin boats take tons of proper hand-stitching and maintenance, but at least you can eat them when you run out of food, and other rowers to eat. Try that with a fiberglass boat and an outboard motor.
The opposition to the solutrean hypothesis is simply anti european hostility and bigotry instead of science.
The "opposition" to Solutrean is all the people who wished they had discovered it and figured it out. It's jealousy, and spite.
no genetic evidence to the theory even if they did they were not white Europeans either. they were dark skinned Australoid/Veddoid types anyway. modern Europeans are only about 8,000 years old.
Doggerland was not in the Black Sea.
If peoples using Solutrean lithic technologies did somehow make it to the Eastern Shores of North America they may well have been of the same genetic heritage as the Siberian peoples that came east and south along the West Coast of North America.
The sad thing is any discussion no matter how objective on this subject inevitably gets mired in ethnic and racial politics. By extremists on both sides. There have been individuals how have to be racists by their interpretation of the Solutrean Hypothesis that the Solutreans must have been the same peoples that populate Europetoday. Just as bad in my opinion are Native Peoples that insist that society take their origin stories as complete truth.
At that time Is it possible people from N America traded with people from NW Europe and met somewhere like Greenland then brought the spears back to Americas?
Greenland fleamarket! Greenland used to be known as "SpearCo" before Eric the Red renamed it. It all makes sense now.
🤣😂 you didn't hear /understand, "Clovis" was a blatant lie/joke told pulled off by the Smithsonian
* Europe came from America's by almost 100 thousand years via the South Pacific and South Americas
American spear head. Based on carbon dating, indigenous American spearhead.
The Indians claim the did not build the mounds, that there vvere there vvhen they got there. The highest concentration of mounds in the vvorld? Ireland...
It's absolutely possible such a journey was made, but I agree with the comment below the "first" voyage would have been accidental because people had no way of knowing North America existed. Traveling over 3,500 miles on an ice shelf to an unknown land would make more sense if voyagers knew of the location, for example, if a prior expeditions returned with stories of abundant food resources. But why would an expedition return if the resources were far better and supportive than their homeland? If more than a single expedition occurred it would seem likely a permanent colony would be established whereby a genetic legacy and artifacts would remain, especially if interior artifacts suggest the founders expanded inward beyond the coastline.
This story would be far more credible if scientists could prove where the tusk and point originated, and so with an unproven provenance the idea is more speculative than factual. Nevertheless, it is indeed possible a single party of explorers made the trek, but died out never returning home to motivate additional voyages. More circumstantial evidence is needed to support the hypothesis, which might make an excellent future video.
Nah. It definitely happened. Over and over again. Some one saw clouds over an island way out in the distance, or saw a volcanic plume rising up way, way out there, or watched the migration of birds flying towards there or from there, or saw it in a mushroom-vision when he turned into a fish and swam the ocean, and that dude said to his buddy, "Hey man, you wanna go check that out?" Exactly the same way all great adventures have always started. The findings are real, they're not forgeries, there is sufficient evidence already to justify seeking more evidence in DNA and underwater at the ocean-edge outlets of rivers on the continental shelf, where these people might have camped. More proof is out there, it's just a matter of finding it. There's no shortage of armchair critics and academic nay-sayers, but they've always been in the majority. Young men have made this trip, you can be sure.
@@zipperpillow 3,500 miles across an ice shelf is a long ways, and I don't know a distinct volcano plume is discernible from that distance based on earth's curvature. But bird migration is a strong point, especially if unfamiliar species suddenly show up, such as the Galapagos example. Whatever the case evidence suggests such a human migration failed to establish permanent colonization because genetics show no pre-clovis purely European legacy. Some folks still believe in Bigfoot, and I would agree such a notion is far more exciting than some boring intellectual using minimum viable population to debunk the myth. God is very real to some and others not so much, ya know?
@@jasonborn867 yes, yes, of course, but where's your sense of adventure? Don't get impressed by the mileage, it's a day-by-day horizon, in reality. You can see Icelandic volcano plumes from Europe and that can last for weeks, so that's enough to get you started, just ask St. Brendan or the Norse colonists who did exactly that. Did you know that you can milk seals? It's like a DairyQueen soft-serve, super-thick and rich. Totally worth the trip. Naomi Uemura walked it alone, in the late 1970's I think. Others have done it as well. Greenland has been crossed, lots of times. Also, use your imagination. What about a pre-iceage eskimo-like, marine mammal-hunting population coming from Scandinavia or the Baltic, whose DNA has yet to be identified? Evidence of their camps would be wiped out by later glaciers, but their populations could have moved south as the ice advanced, and now there is a population in the Americas with the place to themselves. There's lots of ways to get here, and no time limit. People have done way harder things than walk across snow, or paddle across water. It's not as hard as you're thinking it is.
@@zipperpillow Not sure how old you are, but it seems the older I get and less testosterone available my sense of adventure diminishes while skepticism increases lol. But you know it's not completely gone as I did acknowledge your bird migration point. That said, some need only a few dots connected to believe a premise (like Bigfoot or Santa) while others require more dots to conclude a likelihood. And while I do believe imagination is important I value skepticism even moreso. There's some incredibly good yarn spinners out there who prey on the gullible, and certainly someone is easily brainwashed with limited information. Bottom line is I'm not saying a 3,500 mile ice sheet trek is impossible, but I personally would need more evidence before making a case the voyage was likely or true beyond reasonable doubt.
Let's assume the trek was probable, and therefore not just available to a single exploratory party but rather numerous individuals were capable of making such a journey. Taking it a step further since folks could make the journey in one direction they likewise could return for other family with stories of untold resources and abundant game. And because the promise of a better life awaited others were willing to make the trip. Soon many have made the journey, and because of the rich resources a permanent population was established that still persists today--but genetics disproves this notion. So what we're left with is: a) a founding party so small that over-inbreeding caused its extinction, b) resources were inadequate and the party starved out, or c) they didn't find the new land hospitable and returned home. It's also possible some wild beast ate the party, thus explaining why they never took root. None of these scenarios sound very plausible, but SOMETHING must explain why this founding population didn't survive yet Native Americans thrived.
It's logical to believe humans knew the danger of mating with direct family members, and this would suggest any founding population would be at least large enough to minimize inbreeding. Now I know it's somewhat exciting to imagine a small founding party romanticizing the sense of adventure, but the greater odds are small groups of people slowly expanding over need for new territory and fresh game. For example, why would a single founding party travel all the way to South America when they could resettle 100 miles away with new land? Now I would agree once technology permitted vast ocean voyages folks might adventure purely for exploration, but with limited numbers still returned to home base for more supplies and people to establish a colony. In summary, I'm not saying such a journey was impossible, but rather I just need more connecting dots to believe such a proposition. The same would hold true for Bigfoot, friend.
The evidence has been suppressed because of politics.
Hey check out the Greek reporter the did a story about the mummies of place in China that are the ancestors of the indigenous people of the USA and the people of the Indo European (Iranian) people.
I found a near identical point on the B.C. coast. Not easily mounted in a spear, I call it a pcket knife.
Atlantis ? 🤷🏻♂️
How are u so sure it wasn't the other way around. The ppl of the Americas traveled to Europe?? The Inuit say sea Ice is a highway. The boat in the petroglyphs in Norway matches Inuit seal skin boats from Greenland. Not boats made by natives of Norway. If they existed at all at the time
And further more, these ppl would not have been white. They didn't become a thing until the ag revolution and actually began in the fertile crescent. As they spread north, lighter and lighter skin proliferated as it benefited health of the farmers in these regions. So if the solutreans came to America, they were not White.
Why from England, and not from Eireland, Iberian Peninsula or Marrocco ? Proto-Solutrean points possible was more distribuid, maybe in areas down the water today. It seems propaganda for Monroe Doctrine or Manifest Destiny for me !
Why were horses not brought to the New World by migrating tribes in this Ice Age period, 20k BC? Ice age sea levels were much lower making sea travel distances shorter.
Transportation of horses over anything other grass and shrubs is a monumental pain in the unit.
I don't think domestication of the horse happened until about 6000 years ago.
Dennis Salisbury - I do not believe I would want to be in one of those small boats along with a horse.
"New World" already had its own horses, lions, elephants (gomphotheres), camels, etc. Evolved from common ancestors back when landmasses of S. America and Africa were together. Lot of megafauna went extinct at the end of the ice age. It's believed human ancestors wiped out the rest.
They rode horses across the sea before boats were invented. Ever hear of SeaHorses? The big ones went extinct after that.
and so we will go on white testosterones to keep humanity pumped up and say, onwards we shall go
What if the point was lodged in a whale in Europe and the whale died of the east coast of N. America?
What is f Solutrean's made it to the Chesapeake region 24,000 years ago, and there numbers were so small in comparison to Asian immigrants, that there DNA was going to be a tiny amount of the Native American DNA.
Good "point" (get it?). But,..... what if the whale swallowed the mammoth, that was being ridden by a Solutrean Hunter, who was King of the Solutreans, who were fighting a war against the Atlantis culture people who rode whales into battle? What about that?
@@zipperpillow You left out the Roswell Extra-terrestrials, Amelia Earhart and the fact that Mork from Ork was on the grassy knoll in Dallas.
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@@zipperpillow and it was a Mastodon not a Mammoth.
@@BSU55 cool. Mammoth's head knob would give you more shielding against those Atlantis douche-bag's tridents. I guess I was concerned about the safety of the Solutrean King, but if it's a Mastodon, then I guess he'll have to carry a shield. Probably a shield made out of Mammoth hide?...(so the Mastodons don't get upset.)
It all works out. I'm thinking the Atlantis dudes are riding sperm whales. Is that gay? I was thinking the bulbous head would be good for slamming into things. Does that sound gay? Do you think the Solutreans were gay? Maybe they came (no pun intended) to America so they could just be themselves, and leave those incestuous Neanderthals to their filthy incest caves? It's just a theory.
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24,000 - 14,000 ,then Northwest England ,which was part of ATLANTIS (432,000 - 12,000) "they also did not leave a genetic signal" Ancient England floridian (4500) year old Ice created by the great flood, then the UK had 2 genetically district human groups , taking into account the Queen's double rainbow , Noah the first Modern blued european and the lost one of north america ,everything lines up ,ancient europeans looked very different than noah .... all i can say is wow ,it's true
The fact is that there are no "native Americans". People either came from Asia, or Europe, or as pointed out here, likely both.
most europeans today only arrived in europe only7,000 years ago. most amerindians today arrived in america 25,000kya+
What a bunch of crap.
not true . my people was the 1st here. native american aka Indian.
I did state in the video that I was not suggesting that these were the first people or that they contributed to the culture or genetics.
@@MysteriousOrigins1 I don't see why different people could have come from the west *and* the east. It's all fascinating, each new archaeological discovery (anywhere in the world), but I don't really see that it matters who was first, in the Americas or anywhere else.
How can you prove that you were first? Maybe I was first, but didn't find anybody here that I liked, so I went back home? Then you came? After me. Because where you came from was worse. What about that scenario? What if you're really the 2nd People?
Please check out the Carolina Bays…..very clear evidence of a cosmic event that wiped out most of the megafauna and any humans, aka Solutrean types of not actually Solutreans, about 13900ya….about the Tim that the glaciers started to retreat again and open d the highway south from Alaska and Asia bringing modern North American “natives”….which is why Navajo and Hopi languages are so similar to Yupik and other Eskimo languages….and, NO! those people didn’t rush down and kill off the Megafauna….sheesh…
@@daviddilley9182 You're thinking Navaho and Apache are Dene languages, like Alaskan Denaina. Yupik and Inuit are different languages not related to Navaho. The Navaho and Apache didn't migrate south from Alaska and Yukon until the 1400-1500's a.d., quite late in history. And the comet hitting the North American ice sheet is a speculation, not a proven fact.
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This video tries to inject politics where it does not belong.
The politics is already injected, I was merely acknowledging the controversy.
Let them argue for themselves. We are not afforded equal time by them.
@@TastyBadger You're not the boss. You're just a guy with an internet connection. Go away if you don't like the channel.
Right and Columbus discovered America.
He landed in the Bahamas.
They should have named America "Columbia". I'll bet Columbus was bummed when he found out. All that sailing for nothing.
Whaaaa¿??? Why would anyone come to any such thoughts? Why would they care? The past is past and as useful as a folk song.
Everything that happens, has had happened, and could happen is open to investigation. It is a basic human need to know.
@@loquat44-40 a wracking great chunk of earth is under water, we're there a Master Race their homeland is more likely gone, past glory washed away and no claim for importance of lineage.
@@dennisfarris5960 The internet is the ultimate democracy and people on youtube can write just about anything.
@@loquat44-40 the agora of the electron!! Wonder what Socrates would have to say.
Intelligent people are curious and like to try to figure out what the past was like. You should stick to hip hop videos