SONY FX3 | understand CINE EI mode in under 5 minutes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2022
- A very simple easy to understand explanation of how to use the FX3 in CINE EI mode since Firmware 2.0
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This is why I love older creators - and I say it with respect - so concise, no gimmicks, they genuinely want to help. Thanks for the help here
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I've watched dozens of convoluted, "influenced" videos regarding Cine EI, and NONE of them came close to explaining Cine EI as plainly and as succinctly as you. Thank you so much for putting it in plain English - I was able to understand and apply in the field immediately.
The best explanation for Cine EI I've ever heard. And all under 5 minutes. Every 10-20 minute explanation I've heard only made it sound more confusing. When it's just as simple as adding light, or an ND filter, or even adjusting the aperture. You made it so clear, I didn't even have to write anything down.
Finally someone that explains as simple as possible. Thank you!
I'm a beginner with an fx3 and this was the best video I've come across explaining Cine EI in the most concise way. Please make a video explaining the exposure index as well. Thanks for the help.
Another vote for exposure index video!
Very nice simple explanation. Your film example was spot on. Once you put the film in the camera you can not change the ISO. The key to Cine EI is lights and ND filter. Thank you.
I'm not even halfway on this video, I paused it to give you my respect. I just bought an FX30, I wanted to get familiar with the CINE EI concept, and this is the best video I found. Thank you! Subbed!
Light bulb moment. 💡 I understand. Watched countless videos before and I was so lost. Can't believe how simple it is. THANK YOU.
thanks for making this so clear and concise. I've been trying to head around this for a few days but when you explained it like film I immediately got it.
Hey man, thanks for this. I’ve watched a dozen videos of people talking about Cine ei and you made it so simple. Much appreciated.
Bro, you're genius... explanation to the highest achelonn ❤❤ I've watched 30 to 40 mins videos yet I didn't understand it
Thank you, I dig the straightfowardness and simplicity. The mark of someone who knows what they're talking about.
This man is a genius.
I just got the FX30 and I know nothing about shooting with a camera. It’s exciting and scary and this good sir just gave me the information I’ve spent about 3months trying to understand.
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Great simple, easy to understand video! Thank you for this.
Thank you very much. Cine EI is completely new for me so I watched like 10 or more videos and I was still confused until I watched yours. Very well explained. Straight and simple!
Dude you just made this super simple. Thanks
Super clear and I completely understand Cine EI now. Just use and master the Base ISOs. TQ for sharing.
Thank you…..you’re the first to help me understand……subscribed instantly .
The best explanation I've heard yet.
This is absolutely the best explanation of Cine EI!! Thank you for making it simple! You confirmed what I thought was true. I rented an fx6 and my job owns two fx3’s!
Best/simple explanation ever!! Wow! Thank you
Excellent and understandable explanation. I have an a7S3 set to 640 or 12800 iso and with a variable ND filter I simulate CineEI. It was a procedure I was already doing before Cine EI.
Amazing explanation - simple and easy to understand. Thank you
You are the best ... I was so confused whole internet god!
My man!! I echo everything everyone else said, clear and concise. My next question is this: why did sony put that EI mode for preview on the camera? What use cases do people use that?
Short and nevertheless very comprehensive video. Everything became clearer in my mind. Thank you !
Thank you very much. I am starting to work on another video where I go into a little more detail about exposure index and how it works.
Best explanation yet. Thanks!!
This is very clear and easy to understand, thank you 😊
Just subscribed… love the content ! Thank you
Thanks fior makin this video - Respect and love from Inida!
Thank you for this video. I was stuck but you were so clear on how Cine EI works and I feel good about it now.
I instantly subscribed. clear explanation, straight to the point. thank you sir!
Me too
Best explanation on youtube.
Thank you for the straight to the point info!
amazing! thanks for this video it is really simple and full of what I want! without having to watch +50 minutes video and still not understand !!
thanks you give me the simplest way to understand it .
Probably the best explanation I have seen. Thanks so much.
Ps. subbed of course
bro.... this is wildly good. glad to watch and put it to use
Thank you my friend. I appreciate the kind words.
Good stuff man. Thanks!
thanks a lot! I would also like to see that video explaining EI in depth 🎉
Nice video! Straight to the point
No other word, thankyou sir! So we're just waiting for exposure index video coming
great video! thank you!!!
Yes we need the video on ei
best explanation on youtube! the others i've watched only makes it more confusing.
best explanation out there.. thanks!
love the short and e z explanations and the use of "KISS" (keep it simple silly)
thanks for the direct, no BS explanation 🤘
PLEASE Exposure Index video!!!!! Subbed instantly.
GOD thanx... pfiou, i thougth i never found this kind of explanations. THANX A LOT.
The Best explanation on Sony EI. Thank You. Please consider a detail tutorial on how to set and how to use it on Sony FX30 or FX3.
Good video man thanks
thanks for the explanation, God bless
Nice video. Thanks
Thank you so much.
No Kissing, straight to the point bro, now pls do a video on the Cine Ei with explain. Good job.
Just picked up an FX3. Been shooting analog and digital for a long time so this Cine EI function/feature is a bit confusing. I guess I should, whether in Cine EI or flexible ISO mode, just stick to 800 and 12,800 ISO for the cleanest quality. Unfortunately in low light scenarios I am seeing a bit of CMOS smearing. Obviously, the best thing to do is add light but sometimes it is impractical to add light when time is very limted or otherwise. Thanks for the clear explanation!
I appreciate you doing this video. So many have explained it but you put in a very simple way. What do you suggest the next best PP is when it comes to dark areas and there being noise? I ask because SLog3 loves light 💡, but I have been trying to get around that issue when it comes to my talking head videos, some have even suggested HLG instead of Slog since it’s not so sensitive when it comes to lighting being needed. Your video for example looks great. It doesn’t appear to be super lit but I could be wrong. I’m super interested in your thoughts and opinion. Thanks again!
I pretty much exclusively shoot on Slog3 when using a Sony camera. at 12800 ISO you don't need much light and a lot of times I have to turn my lights way down or use ND.
The footage from this video was shot on the Black Magic Pocket 6kpro. I love Sony cameras but I'm open to, and enjoy shooting on lots of other cameras. I love Black Magic, RED, and Canon as well.
They all have different strengths and weaknesses, but one thing is for sure they ALL are capable of producing some amazing images if you know how to use them.
@@TaskForceMediaGroup Thanks for the reply and advice.
This is the best explanation I've heard, thank you. I was wondering what the deal was with EI. 800 or 12800, that's it, that's all.
Yea, so only use one or the other to match your base ISO right?
Hello mate. I have a question: I have the camera configured in Cine EI with Slog3/ Cine and I have also set a lut to be copied directly in the recording to speed up the workflow. The clip is in Rec709, and the lut is not copied. I don't know what I'm doing wrong anymore: my head is going to explode, hehe.
Are you using a custom lut or the built in Sony to rec709 lut? If you’re using the built in Sony lut and getting a rec709 image then the lut is being recorded. If the lut wasn’t being recorded you’d be getting a Slog3 image.
Thank you!
Thanks for this quick explanation! Does Ei give us any benefits over using an a7s3 at iso 800 or 12800? Is Ei only an ease of use upgrade or is there any quality or dynamic range improvements over a7s3?
7s3 is 640, not 800
Even if you change the exposure index anyway, the actual brightness recorded iso800. How can you refer to it with cineEI?
thank you so much
Good job 👏
THANK YOU!!!!
yes another video to explain how cine ei works will be great
That's my biggest confusion. If I'm at 800 base ISO, I should put the ei at 800? Same with 12,800? I don't see the point in changing the ei outside of matching the ISO when the only benefit is a brighter viewfinder?
So if my base ISO is 800 should my EI be 800 also as it goes all the way down to 200? or how does that work?
How do we get playback in camera with the LUT? Gamma assist allowed this prior. Captured video in playback now looks raw.
thank youuuuu
Thanks for the video, but I'm still a bit confused. So, can you not change the iris to add/remove light? Also, I see noise appearing when I put my lens cap on (to get it completely black/dark) and increase my EI. I see this in both 800 and 12800 ISOs. I'm just learning, so...more explanation on the EI, if you don't mind. Thanks!
You make a very good point. 👍🏻 Yes, you can change the iris. I figure that was a given. My explanation was if you had already made a choice about your iris for creative purposes.
I do understand how it works but how do I know if the scene I'm seeing on screen is properly exposed?
What's the tool to check proper exposure if exposure index is useless.
I can look at histogram and zebras. Would that be enough?
So I don't shoot in CineEI right now, but I only shoot in 800 or 12800. Is there any benefit in changing to cine EI or am I doing the same thing right now? great vid.
thx that helped.
so what is the advantage of using cine ei, can i use those native isos also on sony at 6700 am i correct? what is the exposure index for? what is the difference?
If you shoot in S-cinetone, will it only do 100 ISO and 2000 ISO?
My understanding is S-log 3 should be overexposed by 1-2 stops. What indicator on the screen will tell me if I'm properly exposed i.e. if i need more or less light?
Please explain EI more in detail yes.. What happens when you actually scroll on the wheel and change the index? What's the purpose of seeing the image brighter or darker if this doesn't affect the recorded footage? For the moment I find this more confusing than anything else, and currently stick to flexible ISO, while always trying to stick to the native ISO or staying as close as possible. In run and gun, seems the most effective.
In short when you change the exposure index you’re just changing how bright or dark the monitoring lut appears on your screen. This is used as an exposure assistance feature to help you nail exposure by opening/closing the iris or adding/removing ND or lights until the image on the monitor is what you want.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the changes to ISO that you see in monitoring are also recorded as metadata so you can do the equivalent of a 'push' or 'pull' in post production to achieve the look of what you saw on the monitor during capture. This is the analog of exposing a roll of film as though it were a higher or lower ISO than it is actually rated for. It's adding (or subtracting) gain to digital base ISO at the sensor level or on the image after in-camera processing - post-sensor. You would still be adding noise, but the raw image is still exposed at one of the two base ISOs
Having shot a lot with the A7S III, I found that slightly overexposing gave me better image grading options in post. Monitoring on the Ninja V during recording, I ended up creating a darker lut to compensate, otherwise it looked "wrong" (too bright) while monitoring. I believe this is the purpose of Cine EI - to assist nailing the exposure - without having to worry about custom luts. Now you can stick to the Gamma Assist function and use Cine EI as a tweaking tool.
so, is the base ISO 800 regardless of mode now? i thought it was 640 before
So well explained my friend! for a 60-year-old videographer like me! why take a longer path to get to a place! Merci mon ami ! 🎥🎬
i have the fx30. so my question would be: then why use Cine EI? why not just use flexible ISO and only use 800 and 2500 (the 2 bases for FX30)? is it just ease of switching between the ISOs? or is there a difference?
If you're in El Cine mode (800 Base ISO) and continually adjust exposure index higher and higher and then reach past 12800 does it automatically shift to 12800? Or do you have to stop recording and then manually change Base ISO to 12800 in the main menu?
If you're in "Cine EI" mode it will not go to 12800. However if you are in "Cine EI Quick" mode it will. I chose to stay in Cine EI mode and I assigned a custom button to switch from low to high ISO
@@TaskForceMediaGroup Awesome thanks for the clarification! It all makes sense now ^___^
Sooo what's the benefit of using Cine EI are we getting better potential with image quality or something like that?
I have a fair grasp of Sony's Cine EI modes now, and how to use them. My question now is: If you are disciplined in your use of the two base ISOs and stick strictly to them in achieving your best exposure, do yo get the same result as using Cine EI mode or is there some other added benefit outside of locking into the base ISOs for best noise and dynamic range?
Because you want to overexpose slog 3 to get the best result, you can use 800 base, set the EI to 400 or 200 and properly expose. As you’re still recording in 800, your footage will be overexposed by one or two stops, giving you more range in post.
Now you can expose for the image instead of relying on the multimeter and kind of guessing, if you’ve overexposed correctly.
This - to me - is the biggest benefit of using Cine EI
Explained neatly what Cine EI is, yet not much about how to use it as a tool for which it was designed. It's my understanding that the main purpose of EI is to see on the monitor how the recorded footage would look like
So basically setting to CINE EI 800 - 12800 set the index at base iso so 800 and 12800 for low and high base and not touching it expose regardless the index ? Man it helps me a lot I'm French and even French TH-camrs can't explain it the way you do thanks !
Wouldn't there be a third choice of changing the aperture if the lens allows it instead of using ND's?
Yes but if you want a certain aperture for creative purposes then you will definitely need an ND filter moving forward. If anything just treat this how you would normally shoot using only the two base ISOs for the best looking image
Wow bro this was ABC ❤
but what about shutter speed and iris , ISO is not only way to get more light to footage ??
Damn ! Thanks !!
Thank you ! But is it necessary that you jump around in the picture while talking?
How do I control my color phase in s log 3 wit this new update I’m so pissed
Great
I'b been used double iso on fx3 before update. 640 and 12800. So that update brings life easier to manage just between those two option much quicker
Yes it is! And if you set a custom button to switch between low/high base iso it’s super easy to switch.
the ONLY question i have is simple but i can assure you that i cant find infos (which is simple): Which tools (built in) have i to check if the exposure is "good". Before, i checked MM (1.7 or 2.0 depends my subject) but now, im a little bit confused. Thanx again
Very confused here: if you should not worry about what you see on the screen… how do you know if you need to add more lights or NDs?
Sorry matey, but this is exactly what I don’t understand about Cine EI.
Ditto
I think the cinema guys are pissed that creators have amazing tools to create videos effortlessly and are trolling us… lol. Just put the camera on base isos and light as regular
Why not adjust the F stop or shutter speed?
Even tho i maintain the 12800/800 ISO i still get noise, help please.
Nice. And you’re not old.