@@HardwareCanucks Hello, I have a question, what is a good video card? , GTX 1650,1650Ti or RX5500m? . Which laptops are better Which one would you buy MSI BRAVO 15, LEGION 5, ACER NITRO 5? . Bye
Fast RAM? Wt? AMD has fastest processor running currently and with tdp of 45w with turbo boost power at 60ish watts ! 😐 intel running the same at 95 watts ! And ur appreciating ram? Those guys are running desktop grade performance on Laptop Wattages
Come on gaming laptop manufacturers!! Just give us more accuracy in displays, so we can actually use the power of those laptops to work properly (I mean, professional tasks, graphic related jobs).
Just look at the gs 66 stealth ! Factory speced at 65watts ! Still running at 90c ! AMD running on turbo boost at 54watts 🙄 still touching 90+ ! What is this shit? Btw gs66 is like 0.8inch ! 😐 if they can cool 65 tdp with like 90watts boost ! This thing should run cool like hell in gs66 size chassis
gaming laptop with good color accuracy exists, just not at this price range. You don't really expect a color accurate and high refresh rate panel at sub 1k USD, do you?
I love that you always include screen brightness and color accuracy on your reviews. These are important considerations for creative/video editing work. Keep it up!
MSI makes fine laptops - just because a model made to fit a certain price point isn't the highest-end laptop available, doesn't mean they're "low quality."
this has the same chassis as the msi gf63 and i have been using that laptop for about 2 years(it has i5 8300H and gtx 1050) and the build has held up well and the metal up top and the keyboard has held up well and still look the same(i am a student). But the trackpad is the same i thought it was specific to my device but I am quite surprised MSI hasn't fixed it yet.
i have msi pe 62 7rd , the hinge design is quite same as bravo , after 2 year it started to open out from base plastic of screen and i always used on a table , don't know what had been in the case of daily user of a laptop on the go. i recommend to go for legion 5
@@HardwareCanucks I guess the gf series has some flaws (this is just rebranded AMD variant), the temps are bad and screen is not good either. The gl series for the same price (here in India) is quite better, but I am satisfied till now because of its lightweight chassis and good keyboard (i am a programmer).
You have any suggestions for someone looking at 6-8 cores, 16 GB RAM, 240-512GB, SSD, 1080p IPS display for around $700-$850? I do mostly Android and web, so don't really need crazy GPU.
Who else is up for an AMD 4800hs/4900hs laptop with mbp screen (16:10 aspect ratio and 90% srgb accuracy)/99wh battery/speakers, omron switches, thinkpad chassis, and lots of ports, including thunderbolt 4, ethernet, and HDMI?
Bro in India msi bravo is for 74000 rs(1000$) and tuf a15 1660ti is almost 90000rs(1200$) and for 1000 in india you get a crappy a15 with ryzen 5 4600h and a gtx 1650ti Overall msi bravo 15 is a better deal in my country
Finally a review that can stay high level for a non-gamer to compare against TUF A15. I had bought one already and I was stuck with buying the other one and returning the first one before it arrived. Everyone else gets too nit picky on certain specs and say "don't buy" for either option. However, they don't wrap up to conclude why and when it's a go or no-go. Thank you for the proper messaging.
It's for software development. A lot of people like myself buy laptops like this for mobile programming. The GPU doesn't really matter most of the time when you just want a high end CPU for compiling code on the go. Most of us already have home desktop rigs for gaming.
For me personally, I really don’t like red lights all over my laptop or pc. I feel like it cheapens the whole experience and is too tacky. I thinks a standard white backlight would be much nicer.
I ask you to consider adding a "cost for performance" chart. Using the Cinebench R15 chart, I've divided the cost of the laptops (from Amazon) by their performance to get the numbers below. Dollar per point (lower is better): Bravo 15: $0.51 A15: $0.80 G14: $0.91 Aero 17: $1.17 GS66: $2.18 ^Not only did the Bravo 15 outperform the GS66 in raw performance, but it did so at 23% of the cost. Consumers care about the cost of performance, not just raw performance.
Doing this again with their FPS for overwatch, we see how much a consumer must pay per Frame Per Second: Dollar per FPS (lower is better): Bravo 15: $8.23 Aero 17: $9.86 A15: $9.94 G14: $13.14 GS66: $15.43 ^The Bravo 15 provides FPS at 53% of the cost.
Your reviews are amazing as always. I only wish if you start adding timestamps for a few geeks like me who take notes and write things down for comparison. 👍🏻
Surprisingly this laptop is sold in India at the same price as in U.S. However Asus TUF changed everything. Right now I am waiting for the MSI Alpha ryzen7 4000 variant. Let's hope they bring some competition for Asus TUF.
Wow, it's amazing how lean you got, great job, it's actually super inspiring for me to see your progress, this is the perfect example for what is possible, if you just have the dedication, and strength, to keep going and not giving up, I'm super proud!!😀👍
Someone finally reviewed it! I have had once since the day they launched as a replacement for an older laptop and wanted to get into the new mobile 4000 without spending a ton of money. However, I did opt for the 4600H and just threw in an extra stick of 3200 for $20 for the same reason you highlighted at the end...a 4800H is a terrible pairing for this GPU. I wanted something with more power for CAD and programming without spending too much. I've been very happy with it because it is much thinner an lighter than the last laptop I had. The thermals on the 4600H have been far better than what you showed on the 4800H version with it hovering around 80c under heavy load. The track pad is still pretty garbage, but I don't have nearly the flex your model had. Overall I love it and it works for the older school gaming that I do. The 4600H is the real star compared to the older 7200u my other laptop had. If I didn't want to be one of the first, I would have waited for a few sales to grab something a bit better (5600m or 5700m would be great).
Hey Eber, great job man, keep up the great work ! But was that really rainbow 6 seige benchmarks at 12:40 ? Looks like ghost recon breakpoint ..... And what an amazing thumbnail, i knew the performance won't be great, but had to click because of the thumbnail
Those over time graphs are amazing! How do you register those? Great review btw. Been waiting for this machine. Looks like a good spot between the 1650/ti and the 1660ti/rx5600m laptops.
added a 256gb m.2 for £15 and will add another 8gb 3200 sodim and its set to go for most everything, video editing, gaming and much more, it certainly is a gaming laptop , if you dont assume that because it has a 144hz monitor that very game will get 144hz , but for most esports games inc rainbow six siege , you can obtain very close if not over 140 fps to make use of that screen , very happy with it personally and i paid £390 as new condition from someone on a pc uk selling page on facebook , very very happy
There are 3 possible versions of the Bravo 15, there are two listed on the MSI site, and then there's the Costco version. The Costco Version of the Bravo 15 came with a 4600H, and a 5500M graphics card, and 8 gigs of ram. So it has the CPU of the cheaper Bravo15, but the video card of the more expensive bravo 15, and the ram of the cheaper bravo 15. I bought 2 of them, cause I needed a new laptop, as mine was failing, and the other I traded to a friend for a years worth of yard work, as his 7 year old laptop, like mine, was failing... I am 100% satisfied with the laptops. Which is primarily based off what I paid for them. Which was 750 a piece after tax, because they were on sale, because there's a new version coming out soon, or already came out by now... not gonna bother looking that up.
I ordered this laptop for 2 reasons 1: Its the lightest 15.6" ryzen 4600h-4800h laptop. Bravo is 50% lighter than the A15; Legion, and Nitro. Half a pound less than the the rest. 2.v4800 or 4900 and 16gb ram.laptops with MSRP
Been using this for a month, yes, right now the HP Omen 15-EN0023DX is the better laptop but costs 35% more. Despite some negative review it seems Bravo 15 if the best ryzen 4800 laptop for under $1000. I never had an issue installing any game, and after installing AMD 2020 driver most games got a 15-20% fps boost (ie Borderlands 3 get 63fps on high ) The 2019 drivers preinstalled on the Bravo is wonky .
Thermal performance is the main selling point of MSI laptops like this IMO, they cheap out on everything else but they go all in with the cooling solution. I mean, just look at those heatpipes
This gives real Acer Nitro 5 vibes. Exact same keyboard layout with the same travel and red backlight, very similar overall design, and same color accuracy on the display
Budget gaming laptops make decent WS: Non-glass screen, extensibility (first thing I did with my laptop was to install 32Gb RAM + 2x1Tb SSD), better cooling.
It's funny that everybody got so upset about the Asus TUF A15's "flawed" cooling solution, to the point where reviewers were posting don't-buy recommendations. It seems that people were mostly upset because the A15 has fake vents on the bottom, and people thought that maybe Asus just... forgot to cut some extra holes in the bottom, I guess. Now we have MSI's effort which delivers lower performance, higher temperatures, and higher noise. Seems like the A15's cooling isn't so bad after all.
What we need is a budget Laptop with the 4800H atleast 16GB of Ram and no discrete graphics card and ideally, a touchscreen. The chinese have it (almost) figured out with the Mechrevo Code 01, why cant they sell something like that in the west?
Really surprised about how trackpad are bad in Windows noawadays... 5 years ago, the software wasn't perfect, but now that we have precision touchpad with good software, manufacturers are putting more and more bad hardware for their trackpad..
4:00 tap works okay, but when you press, it's harder" Same as my MSI GF63 Q4 2018 model (which looks very simillar). It's better when there is no battery
Hun? Look at the size of the exit vents!! No intake vents on top of fans ! Msi is running 65watt cpu on 20mm/0.8inch laptops at 90 watts ! Yet they cant cool a 45w cpu on a bigger chassis!
they simply Copy the GL62 Fan which perform mediocre at best on the first plate. the copper heatpipe layout is kinda Mesh though. it's a shame this portable gaming machine just got crippled a lot thanks it's Poor Fan design.
This is like a creator laptop that comes with gaming features as well... This makes a great (and way cheaper) MBP16 replacement if MacOS is not needed.
I just got one of these before some reviews came out, and it recently gave me a burn on my finger when I touched the chassis above the keyboard. Trying to return it now.
@@aashryashrivastava9006 yeah it's pretty bad. And the colour quality of the screen is also not great. I managed to return mine and get a better quality computer for about the same price, a Predator Helios 300
Have you guys reviewed the Asus Zenbook Flip 15? If not I think you should take a look at it, it has really good build quality and I think it’s a MacBook competitor for Windows users, especially for the specs and pricing.
how is the DPC latency on this one? Would it be possible to do a test with Latency Mon? Looking for a Ryzen Laptop for Audio Prodution and so far most of them dindt do well. Apparently mainly due to the Nvidida GPU. Wondering how the results are in a All AMD build. Cheers
Nice Explanation. Could you please let me know which one is best between Ryzen 7 4800u and Intel i7 10710u comet lake? If you have comparison video regarding this already, please provide me the link.
As far as i know, Ryzen 4500u even beat the best I7 10gen U series. Ryzen 7 4800u is way way better, it run cooler (7nm) vs 10nm that of intel. You can chect yhe perfomance at notebookcehck or technicall city
Excellent video. I was hoping for the TUF506IU that comes with a 512 GB, but now is a no go because the estimated arrival time or to be in stock time changed to october!. Now my eyes moved to this one that looks good, but the gpu is not vs comparing to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti .
I have a GF 65 and no the track pad isn't gonna win any awards but it seriously its not worth complaining about. It works, its a budget machine what do these reviewers expect? A macbook pro touch pad?
Your right it does sound as though the touch pad is loose. I have the Bravo 17 and it does not have that issue. As for gaming I do not play high end games, but, I have 5 clients of EVE Online running at any one time which does peg the GPU, however, I do not experience lag in performance. I do use the Laptop for Photo editing in which case it does work pretty well. I do experience some lag in draw, but, what laptop doesn't? Overall it is a great hybrid or mix of work and game laptop.
Do you think paying 750E (from 1250E) is it worth? I'm a informatics student and i kinda want this laptop since I need one for school and playing some games(Battlefield5 is the newest title that i play the others are Total War stuff and league of legends ) i kinda think is worth but i feel unsecure of it... What do you think?
I have this (I have the A4DDR-017 model but it's identical). Put two -faster- DIMMs in it, it does make a (not a small one either) difference. I have yet to find anything in my Steam library it doesn't handle well, even with the settings cranked. I'm happy with it.
Hi! Of all the new amd laptops you reviewed, which one would you recommend for a 1000-1500€ budget? Mainly graphic, photo design, video editing and some gaming and coding. Connectivity needs to be good as I need to use external hard drives
Not to rain on the AMD driver parade, but my laptop has a 2060 and has the same GPU selection problems that you're indicating - Mostly around games that don't fully tax the system. The only way to fix it is to go into the Nvidia driver and set the GPU preference drop down. This is annoying to do because I have to reset it again after gaming since the 2060 sucks down power.
When aren't you guys reviewing those tongfang chassis, be it eluktronics or whatever reseller, I'm pretty sure if you ask for review sample they won't mind.
that cooler system is better than A15 , A15 have a thick cover u can feel the heat inside and u think not hot, but the kaos inside, u can see the frequency drop when the heat go higher. But i think, Bravo 15 spec can go to Alpha 15 body, it's will be dominate TUF series
The 5500M is equivalent to 1650ti I think, therefore putting it against the RTX2060 inside relatively more expensive laptops is not the most accurate comparison imo bravo 15 is 999$ laptop and costs as much as the TUF15 1660ti variant and it's safe to say the 1660 might out-perform the 5500m, but the bravo and the tuf both have a lesser color-accurate screen, but the bravo screen has faster response time and as far as I can see better cooling system, also the keyboard looks cleaner when it comes to the layout, sure RGB would have been amazing but only the bravo 17 has that I think, sadly. the touchpad looks better without the dedicated right and left keys but it's wobbly on the bravo and I have to point out that the Dell xps this year has the same complication but you will most likely stick to a gaming mouse anyways. overall I wanna say that the bravo 15 probably isn't the best bang for the buck but you kinda underrated it a bit too much for what it is, sure the tuf 15 may have more powerful GPU and slightly better build quality but personally I think the bravo looks cleaner has better I/O and upgradability, and you gotta pay more for that msi logo, since msi is ever so slightly pricier brand than asus
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That thumbnail is soo good. Nice job man. You could sell that to MSI.
Totally!
But there are other products
@@yeleoh yea that is true.
Thanks!
i respectfully agree.
Damn he got thinner
He is following the laptop trend.
@@MR3DDev r/therealjoke
first thing I thought, wonder if he went keto lol
I afraid whether the battery capacity decreased in this version
Thinner more like slim and athletic. 😉
did anyone else notice that the production quality of ur videos in the last year increased like 100%????or is it just me...
Wow, thanks for the compliment!
Did you mean 100 or 1,000%?
@@HardwareCanucks Hello, I have a question, what is a good video card? , GTX 1650,1650Ti or RX5500m? . Which laptops are better Which one would you buy MSI BRAVO 15, LEGION 5, ACER NITRO 5? . Bye
@@HardwareCanucks very nice thumbnail
Agreed. Haven't found a more complete laptop or desktop review channel. Got to learn a lot from some 15 videos that I've seen till now.
One thing i really appreciate about AMD Laptops this year is fast ram.
B A T T E R Y L I F E
yoga slim 7 has even faster ram
Did anyone else notice that this guy doesn’t know how to pronounce the g in longer or stronger ?
Fast RAM? Wt? AMD has fastest processor running currently and with tdp of 45w with turbo boost power at 60ish watts ! 😐 intel running the same at 95 watts !
And ur appreciating ram?
Those guys are running desktop grade performance on Laptop Wattages
creep what about it?
Come on gaming laptop manufacturers!! Just give us more accuracy in displays, so we can actually use the power of those laptops to work properly (I mean, professional tasks, graphic related jobs).
See the size of the vents ! 😐 intel ones have much bigger vents
Just look at the gs 66 stealth ! Factory speced at 65watts ! Still running at 90c !
AMD running on turbo boost at 54watts 🙄 still touching 90+ ! What is this shit? Btw gs66 is like 0.8inch ! 😐 if they can cool 65 tdp with like 90watts boost ! This thing should run cool like hell in gs66 size chassis
But then no one would buy their high end money making offerings.
Guys the 4000 series chip has extreme cap ability, so you see Intel has to pay money to do somethings lmao
gaming laptop with good color accuracy exists, just not at this price range. You don't really expect a color accurate and high refresh rate panel at sub 1k USD, do you?
I love that you always include screen brightness and color accuracy on your reviews. These are important considerations for creative/video editing work. Keep it up!
*Bravo 15, going dark*
Now this is a joke I apretiate
Video starts at 0:00
Perfect timing :)
-D.
Eber! Good to see you’re keeping in shape.
That chassis flex, trade mark MSI quality right there. I’m surprised they sell any laptops at all.
The gs66 stealth and higher end laptops of MSI are top notch. Even the best in the market Right now.
@@ajiljagadeesh1143 are you sure? All the msi laptop I've worked with have horrid build quality... If you open one up it's a lot worse.
MSI makes fine laptops - just because a model made to fit a certain price point isn't the highest-end laptop available, doesn't mean they're "low quality."
@@fancyobsession1803 If you've only worked with budget models, sure.
Every msi laptop I've used, expensive to cheap has felt very cheap. Heavy flex, cheap finish, and keyboards that don't weather well.
this has the same chassis as the msi gf63 and i have been using that laptop for about 2 years(it has i5 8300H and gtx 1050) and the build has held up well and the metal up top and the keyboard has held up well and still look the same(i am a student). But the trackpad is the same i thought it was specific to my device but I am quite surprised MSI hasn't fixed it yet.
MSI is notorious for cutting major corners and making huge mistakes with their build quality and QA.
i have msi pe 62 7rd , the hinge design is quite same as bravo , after 2 year it started to open out from base plastic of screen and i always used on a table , don't know what had been in the case of daily user of a laptop on the go. i recommend to go for legion 5
OMG, is it really this bad on other notebooks from them? Its unbelievably bad...so bad we thought it was manufacturing defect.
@@eccodreams A month into owning my msi P65 the cpu fan broke smh
@@HardwareCanucks I guess the gf series has some flaws (this is just rebranded AMD variant), the temps are bad and screen is not good either. The gl series for the same price (here in India) is quite better, but I am satisfied till now because of its lightweight chassis and good keyboard (i am a programmer).
I'd be pretty happy with this machine as a software developer.
You have any suggestions for someone looking at 6-8 cores, 16 GB RAM, 240-512GB, SSD, 1080p IPS display for around $700-$850? I do mostly Android and web, so don't really need crazy GPU.
@@EzioYuio I don't personally like them but the Lenovo legion laptops seem like great value.
@@EzioYuio if your in Europe Lenovo IdeaPad 5 14-inch meets all your asking for
@@UnsungAces Seems like it comes with only 8GB of RAM with no way to upgrade. Seems perfect otherwise
Hi, how was your experience using this laptop? I'm considering buying the latest version
Who else is up for an AMD 4800hs/4900hs laptop with mbp screen (16:10 aspect ratio and 90% srgb accuracy)/99wh battery/speakers, omron switches, thinkpad chassis, and lots of ports, including thunderbolt 4, ethernet, and HDMI?
Unfortunately thunderbolt 4 is not our yet. Maybe you meant USB4?
Yes, but those companies are suckin intel so hard this year. Maybe next year we get vapor chambers and 10heatpipes solutions for the 5Ks series
you should check out the eluktronics RP-15 or the RP-17
Bro in India msi bravo is for 74000 rs(1000$) and tuf a15 1660ti is almost 90000rs(1200$) and for 1000 in india you get a crappy a15 with ryzen 5 4600h and a gtx 1650ti
Overall msi bravo 15 is a better deal in my country
Its 70K with offers for 67-68K
It's 69990 now. Really good deal
If it is no need of 144 hz
Then it's only 62000
Okay the heat pipe layout is absolutely stunning..looks so clean
Finally a review that can stay high level for a non-gamer to compare against TUF A15. I had bought one already and I was stuck with buying the other one and returning the first one before it arrived. Everyone else gets too nit picky on certain specs and say "don't buy" for either option. However, they don't wrap up to conclude why and when it's a go or no-go. Thank you for the proper messaging.
Man ur an amazing reviewer...when you showed the clicking on the trackpad...i totally got how u need to make the extra effort....kudos to you bro.. 🔥🔥
In India it's a great value as it's cheaper than a lot of gaming laptops with similar specs.
Hv you brought the 5 4600h 8gb variant should i buy ut
4:20 Damn, that was a sick beat right there 👌
It's for software development. A lot of people like myself buy laptops like this for mobile programming. The GPU doesn't really matter most of the time when you just want a high end CPU for compiling code on the go. Most of us already have home desktop rigs for gaming.
For me personally, I really don’t like red lights all over my laptop or pc. I feel like it cheapens the whole experience and is too tacky. I thinks a standard white backlight would be much nicer.
I guess they implement it only to show it's budget-oriented and cheap one. even white LEDs would have been much better!
I ask you to consider adding a "cost for performance" chart. Using the Cinebench R15 chart, I've divided the cost of the laptops (from Amazon) by their performance to get the numbers below.
Dollar per point (lower is better):
Bravo 15: $0.51
A15: $0.80
G14: $0.91
Aero 17: $1.17
GS66: $2.18
^Not only did the Bravo 15 outperform the GS66 in raw performance, but it did so at 23% of the cost.
Consumers care about the cost of performance, not just raw performance.
Doing this again with their FPS for overwatch, we see how much a consumer must pay per Frame Per Second:
Dollar per FPS (lower is better):
Bravo 15: $8.23
Aero 17: $9.86
A15: $9.94
G14: $13.14
GS66: $15.43
^The Bravo 15 provides FPS at 53% of the cost.
please do a review of the legion 5 amd version. Preferably with the 80 W battery . Could be nice to see how the battery life is on that one
7i first and then the Legion 5. :)
@@HardwareCanucks When's the 7i?
More like a Ferrari engine in toyata Camry
Some of the shots in the video look soo cinematic ,great production ....thumbs up!!
Your reviews are amazing as always. I only wish if you start adding timestamps for a few geeks like me who take notes and write things down for comparison. 👍🏻
Surprisingly this laptop is sold in India at the same price as in U.S. However Asus TUF changed everything. Right now I am waiting for the MSI Alpha ryzen7 4000 variant. Let's hope they bring some competition for Asus TUF.
Now available for 50k from msi.
Not too bad for THAT price.
You have OBS and went for the laggy Bandicam smh
Wow, it's amazing how lean you got, great job, it's actually super inspiring for me to see your progress, this is the perfect example for what is possible, if you just have the dedication, and strength, to keep going and not giving up, I'm super proud!!😀👍
just watching your videos for your voice. its really calms me mate.
the visuals are just soo satisfying! Just how could u make videoes like this? Great jobb
the touchpad reminds me of "touchscreen" of BlackBerry Storm era
I hope they will start making some wery good sound cards and headsets. Something like surround 8.1... Sound from a lot of directions,like in reality.
Someone finally reviewed it! I have had once since the day they launched as a replacement for an older laptop and wanted to get into the new mobile 4000 without spending a ton of money.
However, I did opt for the 4600H and just threw in an extra stick of 3200 for $20 for the same reason you highlighted at the end...a 4800H is a terrible pairing for this GPU. I wanted something with more power for CAD and programming without spending too much. I've been very happy with it because it is much thinner an lighter than the last laptop I had. The thermals on the 4600H have been far better than what you showed on the 4800H version with it hovering around 80c under heavy load. The track pad is still pretty garbage, but I don't have nearly the flex your model had.
Overall I love it and it works for the older school gaming that I do. The 4600H is the real star compared to the older 7200u my other laptop had.
If I didn't want to be one of the first, I would have waited for a few sales to grab something a bit better (5600m or 5700m would be great).
Hey Eber, great job man, keep up the great work !
But was that really rainbow 6 seige benchmarks at 12:40 ?
Looks like ghost recon breakpoint .....
And what an amazing thumbnail, i knew the performance won't be great, but had to click because of the thumbnail
Yes these defo are not R6 because ultras settings these specs can hit 100 ultra
Those over time graphs are amazing! How do you register those?
Great review btw. Been waiting for this machine. Looks like a good spot between the 1650/ti and the 1660ti/rx5600m laptops.
Web cam is actually not bad compared to some higher end notebooks, not gonna lie, there's some ultra books out that would be put to shame
added a 256gb m.2 for £15 and will add another 8gb 3200 sodim and its set to go for most everything, video editing, gaming and much more, it certainly is a gaming laptop , if you dont assume that because it has a 144hz monitor that very game will get 144hz , but for most esports games inc rainbow six siege , you can obtain very close if not over 140 fps to make use of that screen , very happy with it personally and i paid £390 as new condition from someone on a pc uk selling page on facebook , very very happy
THIS LAPTOP WAS MADE FOR ME!! I am an AMD fan boi that abhors intel and nvidia crud. I only want an all AMD laptop and I got it. Happy days!! :D
There are 3 possible versions of the Bravo 15, there are two listed on the MSI site, and then there's the Costco version.
The Costco Version of the Bravo 15 came with a 4600H, and a 5500M graphics card, and 8 gigs of ram. So it has the CPU of the cheaper Bravo15, but the video card of the more expensive bravo 15, and the ram of the cheaper bravo 15.
I bought 2 of them, cause I needed a new laptop, as mine was failing, and the other I traded to a friend for a years worth of yard work, as his 7 year old laptop, like mine, was failing... I am 100% satisfied with the laptops. Which is primarily based off what I paid for them.
Which was 750 a piece after tax, because they were on sale, because there's a new version coming out soon, or already came out by now... not gonna bother looking that up.
I ordered this laptop for 2 reasons
1: Its the lightest 15.6" ryzen 4600h-4800h laptop. Bravo is 50% lighter than the A15; Legion, and Nitro. Half a pound less than the the rest.
2.v4800 or 4900 and 16gb ram.laptops with MSRP
The 5500m isn't a better gpu than the gtx 1650
@@siZeDcuBe yes it is, and pretty easily.
Been using this for a month, yes, right now the HP Omen 15-EN0023DX is the better laptop but costs 35% more.
Despite some negative review it seems Bravo 15 if the best ryzen 4800 laptop for under $1000. I never had an issue installing any game, and after installing AMD 2020 driver most games got a 15-20% fps boost (ie Borderlands 3 get 63fps on high ) The 2019 drivers preinstalled on the Bravo is wonky .
I looked at the specs and thought, "Damn, that would have been great in my programming classes." 16 threads would be fantastic for compiling code.
It is.
Full build of a Gentoo kernel in 8m56s...
did you buy it? how was your experience?
the laptop is by far the fastest laptop i ever touch by far at half the price of any competitor you can play pretty much any game ...i recomend buy it
great review, thank you!
would you recommend this laptop for light gaming and some video editing?
i am in the market for light content creating
If you are looking for light video editing and gaming, the upcoming Acer Helios update might be good for ya!
@@HardwareCanucks have you already done a review on this machine?
I hope some manufacturers start making 16:10 gaming/performance notebooks.
Thermal performance is the main selling point of MSI laptops like this IMO, they cheap out on everything else but they go all in with the cooling solution. I mean, just look at those heatpipes
This gives real Acer Nitro 5 vibes. Exact same keyboard layout with the same travel and red backlight, very similar overall design, and same color accuracy on the display
Very nice and informative review - A BIG PLUS!!!
Budget gaming laptops make decent WS: Non-glass screen, extensibility (first thing I did with my laptop was to install 32Gb RAM + 2x1Tb SSD), better cooling.
It's funny that everybody got so upset about the Asus TUF A15's "flawed" cooling solution, to the point where reviewers were posting don't-buy recommendations. It seems that people were mostly upset because the A15 has fake vents on the bottom, and people thought that maybe Asus just... forgot to cut some extra holes in the bottom, I guess.
Now we have MSI's effort which delivers lower performance, higher temperatures, and higher noise. Seems like the A15's cooling isn't so bad after all.
Finally Bravo 15 review! Thank you for this
Same here, just got it.
Good detailed review 👍
10:11 i think you meant intel based machine XD
Great review as usual tho :)
Really nice review! I like that it isn't just slide after slide after slide... And your videography and audio skills are next level!
What we need is a budget Laptop with the 4800H atleast 16GB of Ram and no discrete graphics card and ideally, a touchscreen. The chinese have it (almost) figured out with the Mechrevo Code 01, why cant they sell something like that in the west?
Exactly, I am waiting for that also, all my family is waiting for that. I have 4 people waiting for a similar laptop.
Great review dude.....
So should I buy this now ? I heard the software update has increased performance by ~20%
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Good video great review thx :D
Really surprised about how trackpad are bad in Windows noawadays... 5 years ago, the software wasn't perfect, but now that we have precision touchpad with good software, manufacturers are putting more and more bad hardware for their trackpad..
0:22 that gtr tho 😍😍😍😍
4:00 tap works okay, but when you press, it's harder"
Same as my MSI GF63 Q4 2018 model (which looks very simillar). It's better when there is no battery
Hi. Great vid. Would you be so kind to tell me what chair do you have? What about Asus TUF A17, better than A15?
Excellent review
>calls themselves canuks
>amazon links are all .com and not .ca
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that cooling system looks so good and perfect
Hun? Look at the size of the exit vents!! No intake vents on top of fans !
Msi is running 65watt cpu on 20mm/0.8inch laptops at 90 watts ! Yet they cant cool a 45w cpu on a bigger chassis!
they simply Copy the GL62 Fan which perform mediocre at best on the first plate.
the copper heatpipe layout is kinda Mesh though.
it's a shame this portable gaming machine just got crippled a lot thanks it's Poor Fan design.
This is like a creator laptop that comes with gaming features as well... This makes a great (and way cheaper) MBP16 replacement if MacOS is not needed.
I just got one of these before some reviews came out, and it recently gave me a burn on my finger when I touched the chassis above the keyboard. Trying to return it now.
It heats up that bad?
@@aashryashrivastava9006 yeah it's pretty bad. And the colour quality of the screen is also not great. I managed to return mine and get a better quality computer for about the same price, a Predator Helios 300
Have you guys reviewed the Asus Zenbook Flip 15? If not I think you should take a look at it, it has really good build quality and I think it’s a MacBook competitor for Windows users, especially for the specs and pricing.
Some BIOSes allow tuning of the iGPU. This helps with the problem switching between iGPU and PCIe GPU.
Is a hot labtop or have good refrigeration???
how is the DPC latency on this one? Would it be possible to do a test with Latency Mon? Looking for a Ryzen Laptop for Audio Prodution and so far most of them dindt do well. Apparently mainly due to the Nvidida GPU. Wondering how the results are in a All AMD build. Cheers
Congratz on the weight loss my dude
I like this computer design and I am getting more and more interested in an AMD laptop. Thank you Ebert! 😉 😄
Nice Explanation. Could you please let me know which one is best between Ryzen 7 4800u and Intel i7 10710u comet lake? If you have comparison video regarding this already, please provide me the link.
As far as i know, Ryzen 4500u even beat the best I7 10gen U series. Ryzen 7 4800u is way way better, it run cooler (7nm) vs 10nm that of intel. You can chect yhe perfomance at notebookcehck or technicall city
Excellent video. I was hoping for the TUF506IU that comes with a 512 GB, but now is a no go because the estimated arrival time or to be in stock time changed to october!. Now my eyes moved to this one that looks good, but the gpu is not vs comparing to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti .
I have a GF 65 and no the track pad isn't gonna win any awards but it seriously its not worth complaining about. It works, its a budget machine what do these reviewers expect? A macbook pro touch pad?
Thank you for all your videos. It’s too confusing if your weren’t doing this. Appreciate it
Why not just company set the oled displays as a new norm. No SRGB Rating bullshit.
Your right it does sound as though the touch pad is loose. I have the Bravo 17 and it does not have that issue. As for gaming I do not play high end games, but, I have 5 clients of EVE Online running at any one time which does peg the GPU, however, I do not experience lag in performance. I do use the Laptop for Photo editing in which case it does work pretty well. I do experience some lag in draw, but, what laptop doesn't? Overall it is a great hybrid or mix of work and game laptop.
Now that the Radeon 6000 series and ryzen 5000 series have launched , I am expecting a full AMD laptop soon🔥🔥🔥
Please review the eluktronics Matrix RP 15 , you won't regret it. Trust me.
We research as much as possible and one of the challenges with Eluktronics is their customer support. That low cost DOES have a trade-off.
@@HardwareCanucks I think their laptop's are available on Newegg.
In this price point, which would you recommend more, bravo 15,nitro 5,tuf a15, or new legion series
How do you feel about the bravo 17?
I would like to see how ZBrush works with it. ZBrush is all about CPU, Ram, and SSD. These days it's smacking my i7-6700 around.
Do you think this could be useful for video editing?
Do you think paying 750E (from 1250E) is it worth? I'm a informatics student and i kinda want this laptop since I need one for school and playing some games(Battlefield5 is the newest title that i play the others are Total War stuff and league of legends ) i kinda think is worth but i feel unsecure of it... What do you think?
This laptop is hot!
Exactly how I like it. ;]
Hey I'm looking to buy a laptop for the purpose of Multimedia tasks including photo/video Editing... Is this a good buy in this price range?
Yeah I'll pass on this. Would rather have the tuf a15 or shell out a bit more for the zephyrus g14. Great video!
Will you be reviewing the new hp omen 15? It looks promising
Here's an idea - change the boot os to a hackintosh!! The gpu would work since it has metal support. It could be a low cost Mac pro lol
I have this (I have the A4DDR-017 model but it's identical).
Put two -faster- DIMMs in it, it does make a (not a small one either) difference.
I have yet to find anything in my Steam library it doesn't handle well, even with the settings cranked.
I'm happy with it.
NOTE: The Toshiba SSD they ship as the "base" 512GB model is *not* quick. I popped a 2TB Pilot-E in mine and it makes a huge difference.
Hi Brother, Is this Laptop good for Graphic Designing?
Illustrator, Photoshop, Video Editing
Hi! Of all the new amd laptops you reviewed, which one would you recommend for a 1000-1500€ budget? Mainly graphic, photo design, video editing and some gaming and coding. Connectivity needs to be good as I need to use external hard drives
A 'gaming' laptop with all USB ports on the right, good to know the folks over at MSI use their awesome trackpad for gaming...
Would you prefer Acer predator Helios 2019 or MSI GF65 THIN both for i7 9th gen with RTX 2060
Someone should put the Ryzen 9 4900HS in a thicker and larger chassis.
They'll use a Ryzen 9 4900H for that. HS is the lower TDP variant.
9 is about the same tbh
and kill the sale of all intel "high end" machine
Not to rain on the AMD driver parade, but my laptop has a 2060 and has the same GPU selection problems that you're indicating - Mostly around games that don't fully tax the system. The only way to fix it is to go into the Nvidia driver and set the GPU preference drop down. This is annoying to do because I have to reset it again after gaming since the 2060 sucks down power.
When aren't you guys reviewing those tongfang chassis, be it eluktronics or whatever reseller, I'm pretty sure if you ask for review sample they won't mind.
that cooler system is better than A15 , A15 have a thick cover u can feel the heat inside and u think not hot, but the kaos inside, u can see the frequency drop when the heat go higher. But i think, Bravo 15 spec can go to Alpha 15 body, it's will be dominate TUF series
The 5500M is equivalent to 1650ti I think, therefore putting it against the RTX2060 inside relatively more expensive laptops is not the most accurate comparison
imo bravo 15 is 999$ laptop and costs as much as the TUF15 1660ti variant and it's safe to say the 1660 might out-perform the 5500m, but the bravo and the tuf both have a lesser color-accurate screen, but the bravo screen has faster response time and as far as I can see better cooling system, also the keyboard looks cleaner when it comes to the layout, sure RGB would have been amazing but only the bravo 17 has that I think, sadly. the touchpad looks better without the dedicated right and left keys but it's wobbly on the bravo and I have to point out that the Dell xps this year has the same complication but you will most likely stick to a gaming mouse anyways. overall I wanna say that the bravo 15 probably isn't the best bang for the buck but you kinda underrated it a bit too much for what it is, sure the tuf 15 may have more powerful GPU and slightly better build quality but personally I think the bravo looks cleaner has better I/O and upgradability, and you gotta pay more for that msi logo, since msi is ever so slightly pricier brand than asus