@@SquimJimhey bro spys gun is likely hyper important if you wanna play decent and save yourself with good aim. So yeah 25% slower is a really big deal
From what I can tell, having run a modded mvm server for several years now. If an attack deals more than 32,768 damage, it will wrap around starting from 1 again, but this is ONLY visual. For example, an attack dealing 100,000 damage WILL do that damage, but for display this wraps around 3 times and will show as -1696. This also causes damage to not record to the scoreboard properly. Not sure why there's some sort of integer limit for this, but it's there. So, when you backstabbed the giant heavy for "21,220" damage, it added onto 32,768 once for a total of 53,988 (Not quite 54,000 as expected, but the heavy's health was flickering from the overheal so he was just under 4,500 at the moment of backstab.) Furthermore, since a backstab deals 6x the target's health, you could achieve maximum backstab damage at the 15-bit integer limit of 2,147,483,647, by simply spawning a robot in mvm with a health value of 357,913,941. If this bot is given any more health, the resulting damage becomes negative and won't do any damage at all. Hope this helps.
Actually, I think that the Spy's sapper should be counted. The stock sapper deals 25 damage per second while on an enemy building, and the rescue ranger can repair buildings but doesn't remove sappers. Therefore, against a building that was being constantly repaired by an engineer using the Rescue Ranger, the sapper could deal constant damage until the server crashes - about 6 months according to Shounic, giving the sapper a maximum damage of ~388,800,000 (6*30*24*60*60*25)
@@mr.d00m37 according to the teirlist paramaters at the end, damage over time effects count towards the total highest damage a weapon can do. Also the argument could be made that spy only clicks once, and thus does this damage "in one hit"
The rescue ranger can't actually repair things that are sapped. However, at least formerly (I don't know if this still happens) you could have one side of the teleporter sapped, and the other side not sapped, which lets you repair the sapped side with your wrench by hitting the unsapped side, and it won't break the sapper. Thus, this would still work. (assuming the trick still exists.)
@@elkssr sapping a building in the middle of it's upgrade animation you can create a sapper that cant be destroyed by engineer, instead the building gets healed. not sure if it is just mid upgrade animation in general or if it had to be a lvl 2 or 3 building picked up and being placed back on the ground by the engi and middle of it being re-built. but yeah it is possible to heal buildings that are sapped also in mvm building upgrade canteen fixes buildings that are sapped. so does upgrading building health (and you can go between adding the upgrade, then removing the upgrade and adding it back again without leaving the upgrade station to fix the buildings without credit cost or ending up maxing the upgrade)
10:09 ironically if the plugin is updated to work with the 64 bit update theres a chance that cap is lifted considering 2147m is the biggest 32-bit int.
9:17 so the reason why the number displays as 21220 is because the damage number actually overflowed. the maximum damage number the HUD can display is 32767 (max signed 16 bit integer value). you stabbed the heavy at 4499 HP, so it actually resulted in 53988 damage-- subtract this by 32768 and boom, 21220 on the HUD
My guess (prewatching) for highest damage: Backstabbing the Heavy while the Heavy is under the effects of the King power up + full Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + Max normal Overheal; (Heavy’s base max hp of 300 + 100 from the King Powerup from mannpower +100 from the full use of the Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + max normal overheal) * 6 = 3,600 damage I FORGOT ABOUT THE DAMN KNOCKOUT POWER UP!
What I find funny about the knife taunt kill is you can do the same job but quicker, easier, more consistent, and just generally better by just backstabbing people normally.
I mean that's kinda true for _every_ taunt kill, isn't it? Except maybe Sniper's Skewer, due to the stun from the first half and how quick it is in general And I guess Heavy's Showdown too due to its ridiculous range and having an option to somewhat reliably set it up via the Holiday Punch
The damage rounding might be happening on each step of the damage calculation. It does depend on the ordering though. If you assume that strength and minicrits happen last, the diamondback/ambassador formula is: 40 x 0.85 is 34 34 x 1.5 is 51 51 x 1.3 is 66.3 truncates to 66 66 x 2 is 132 132 x 1.35 is 178.2, truncates to 178.
6:45 in addition, youd still get the normal knockback applied to yourself, so if you were airborne or otherwise above the spy who backstabs you, most commonly by having him be a friend and standing on his head, you could fly across the map.
I remember seeing a spy montage back in the day that used the Dead Ringer's backstab protection to fly into the air and get a stab on an enemy. That thing was broken.
I’ve got an idea. What if you made a video trying to beat Solider’s record by progressively cheating more and more, using commands that couldn’t occur in game, completely impossible situations, maybe even community game modes
Do as best you can to avoid getting dry sockets! I got them and food got stuck up in them, which will be far more painful than your teeth hurting even on opioids!
With custom MvM missions, which only require writing a text file, you can give robots custom attributes and health, so there's a lot you can play around with there
honestly i really like the modern enforcer, specifically the resistance peircing. specifically because spy is an influtration class who can already kill high health targets at the risk of revealing their squishy self. and having resistances makes players particularly cocky. and with buffs often being area based or at least making them an ancour it's harder to backstab. change i would say is instead of a weird damage boost on disguise making the downside nothing, move the damage buff to when the resistance peircing activates, maybe even extend it to any buff or if you're feeling nasty any status effect so it can maintain those damage highs but make it a bit more interactive than just the first shot, cause right now it can 2 tap light classes like the other guns. i genuinly don't get why people call this weapon bad you can solo a wrangled sentry from outside of the nest with a single clip.
If I had a nickel for every tf2 related TH-camr had a manscaped sponser in a video today. I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
Related to your enforcer tangent: I think it should be able to pierce sapper armour (I think it’s technically not a resistance but a damage penalty to the revolver but still) I think I could secure a nice niche as a building buster since it pierces wrangler shield as well
Honestly would be neat to see this series with MvM upgrades factored in. You can't stack them with Mannpower powerups in the vanilla game, but it'd be cool to see Demo swords kicking ass with their damage upgrades (because yes, Demo's swords have damage upgrades in MvM! Demoknight can be viable).
there is another way to get a higher organic backstab without cheats, but it's not easily done, and likely hard to track. Mann Vs Machine has the overheal mastery upgrade, which would let the medic increase the max overheal to 150% bonus health, bringing the heavy to 750 max health. With fists of steel swapped to after, that should theoretically do 9000 on a backstab. the tricky part would be to actually test this.
it seems like backstab damage is a short internally, which means values are limited to the range -32768 to 32767. when shorts are uncapped, any numbers higher than the max will overflow and any numbers lower will underflow. accounting for this, the 21220 damage + 32768 is 53988, just about perfectly on the mark for the 54000 it should be. not sure where the extra 12-13 went, likely some intermediate step in the calculations.
For backstabbing the giant heavy; Hitnumbers are a signed 16 bit integer and cap at 32,767 and roll over. Negative values are only used for healing, otherwise it is treated like a 15-bit number and carries over. Not sure where the last 12 damage went though
An idea about the dead ringer You said that on a backstab against a spy using it the damage goes up to 187, killing the spy regardless. And overheal would not be able to save the spy since it caps out at 185. EXCEPT if you're using the kunai. A spy using the kunai and being healed by a medic would maintain the kunai's overheal, since while mediguns can't overheal past their limit they can still maintain overheal (this is most apparent with a stock medigun and the quick fix). So if a kunai spy that is being healed by a medic gets a backstab AND THEN gets backstabbed while holding the deadringer out, that spy would IN THEORY be able to live through a backstab.
Probably good to mention why I mentioned having a medic at all. It's just to keep the overheal at 210 without it diminishing, which would make achieving this more manageable.
Surely the spy can deal ludicrous amounts of damage, the backstab is really powerful. Yes, he can. And don't call me Shirley. (I know that joke is from Airplane and not the Naked Gun series, but I just couldn't resist.)
I've played this game for almost 9 years now and I've never realized spy technically doesn't have a primary weapon, I never even noticed it saying secondary instead of primary in the revolver menu
I don't know if you talked about it but in 100 player servers, soldier can do infinite damage. Like at a certain point the game literally stops counting and just puts inf.
My guess before watching the video (parentheses are for if Mannpower counts) Highest is Spy (with Strength powerup) backstabbing a Heavy (with Knockout powerup) with the Fists of Steel active, Lowest is getting just the first hit of his taunt kill (on someone with Resistance powerup) edit: pretty close on the first one, forgot that overhealing increases backstab damage and didn't know about that Knockout glitch. For some reason I thought Spy's taunt kill did one damage on the first two hits, don't know why.
considering there used to be a thing where running a tf2 server on either a linux or windows would determine whether engineer got 40 or 41 metal from small ammo packs, i wonder if that also applies to damage rounding
The Enforcer is also useful for taking down buildings... kind of. When you sap a building, damage from Spy's revolver is strongly reduced (by ~33%). However, the Enforcer overrides this, meaning you can accelerate the damage done to a building if you sap it and proceed to unload rounds on it. Yet thanks to Source Spaghetti, this does not work on Sentry Guns, as they retain their 33% resistance to revolver shots. It _does_ manage to pierce the Wrangler's damage resistance, which means that Ubering a Spy with an Enforcer is technically a viable strategy. Come to think of it, perhaps you should do a video regarding minimum and maximum damage for and against buildings?
You could also try doing Minimum / Maximum in MvM! Such as Katana demos being 1 tapped by Zatoichi (They have 750 health), or hell, backstabs on steel gauntlets which 1 tap them too
It could be interesting to see how Saxton Hale's Damage Values looks. Highest and lowest wise. Would be a shame to see the series end on Spy with a severe lack of weapons lol
Wait, theres a Halloween map that has some gimmick where you turn into a giant with a ton of health. Can the Spy backstab them and do even more legitimate damage?
Mate we had this conversation before but I still stand for what I said, spy's backstab damage is really just a visual indicator to have a way to not say "death" , this is proven by the old heavy infinite hp glitch, it didn't matter if you stayed there and gain 1 billion hp a backstab would still kill you, so backstab damage is theoretically "Infinite", the damage numbers just being there to show that the backstab did more damage than your current hp, that's why sometimes it doesn't show the correct damage that the backstab did as it's just a way to say that the backstab damage was greater than your hp so you died.
Could also hypothetically do a bonus video after the zombies for misc environmental damage sources like saw blades and NPCs (if the damage isn't fixed values)
Even if it definitely seems like a can of worms, I do think it'd probably be interesting to look at the other gamemodes (official or even non-official) as well, like zombies or saxton hale! (As well as maybe maxes outside of mann-power as well as in mann-power?) I don't really mind, but this series has definitely been cool!
I once got like, over 600 base hp as medic in mannpower with a powerup, I don't know how that happened, but it would probably make the backstab do more damage
I wish every class had a hand melee weapon. The spy could be a middle finger, but that might be to rude, so maybe a thumbs up that when he gets behind someone it turns into a thumbs down.
The different damage values could be because windows handles numbers differently. For example on windows servers mini ammo packs will give you 41 Metal instead of 40 (like on the usually Linux running server)
Speaking of instant kills you didn't test Half zatoichi on the giants in Crasher or that one xmiss map that makes one player on blu a giant. So if you ever do a follow up covering things forgotten or missed there's one thing you could cover. (Quickfix prevents overheal from decaying so use that to conserve the overheal from the zatoichi on a giant.)
hey i recognize that value, thats an integer limit, wouldn't be shocked if spy's damage would cap there too with a player with that health, even if it should go higher, or it'll be a Ghandi in civilization situation and wrap back around to something rather low (iirc the genocidal Ghandi glitch in the civ games was cause -1 wasn't a value the computers could lower to for their peace so it wraps around to 255, the 8 bit integer limit) I wonder if that wrapping around is why those other damages seem lower than they should
The Enforcer if they were to rework it should be more like its name, it should’ve had better damage and worse accuracy and be more like a midrange high damage dealer, like an alternative to the ambassador. it’d be a gunspies dream
The Enforcer’s seen as taboo mostly because of its inconsistency against various defensive targets Placing Sappers, for example, adds a bizarre 20% damage resistance to Sentries that the Enforcer cannot pierce, even more bizarrely That, and the damage bonus doesn’t really offer any significant benefits against much anything besides lightweight classes in point blank range, that can usually kill YOU much more easily (and quicker, that firing speed penalty is much more apparent when the overall weapon is basically just a Stock Revolver clone) than you can kill THEM With the specific exception of Sniper The Enforcer is good.. against Razorback Snipers, as it bears a two shot kill against unbuffed lightweights. ..Targets whom the Ambassador would generally be more reliable for, as it has notably longer effective range. The Enforcer’s not BAD by any stretch, it can put things in the ground just as any Revolver can, it just doesn’t offer anything for Spy that other revolvers don’t offer MORE of It’s niche in the best case scenario, a liability in the worst A janky but effective change would be to make the weapon actually deal Bleed damage instead of Bullet based, similarly to the Cleaver, as Bleed is *truly* unresistable by any means You wouldn’t need to actually make the weapon APPLY the status condition, but changing its damage type internally would directly impact how it interacts with various sources of resistances, and nothing else, presumably
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Heavy can use dalakos bar then get power up while being overhealed?
@deirasjankauskas3381 The Dalokohs Bar has never effected Heavy's max overheal, unforunately.
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@@SquimJimhey bro spys gun is likely hyper important if you wanna play decent and save yourself with good aim. So yeah 25% slower is a really big deal
Spy's maximum damage existed during Jungle Inferno, when Heavy could have infinite health.
Buh?
Elaborate
@@Jack-rb1ml there used to be a bug where heavy could repeatedly eat the dalokohs bar and get infinite hp gain
@@ocksie heavy constantly eating to make himself invincible is a very funny thought
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An Uber charge in a form of a chocolate bar. Nice.
My guess, his max damage is going to be high, and his lowest is going to be low
Who told you!?
Mind blowing
My guess, his max damage is going to be low, and his lowest is going to be high
Dude, no spoilers
Early access
From what I can tell, having run a modded mvm server for several years now.
If an attack deals more than 32,768 damage, it will wrap around starting from 1 again, but this is ONLY visual. For example, an attack dealing 100,000 damage WILL do that damage, but for display this wraps around 3 times and will show as -1696. This also causes damage to not record to the scoreboard properly. Not sure why there's some sort of integer limit for this, but it's there. So, when you backstabbed the giant heavy for "21,220" damage, it added onto 32,768 once for a total of 53,988 (Not quite 54,000 as expected, but the heavy's health was flickering from the overheal so he was just under 4,500 at the moment of backstab.)
Furthermore, since a backstab deals 6x the target's health, you could achieve maximum backstab damage at the 15-bit integer limit of 2,147,483,647, by simply spawning a robot in mvm with a health value of 357,913,941. If this bot is given any more health, the resulting damage becomes negative and won't do any damage at all.
Hope this helps.
Non-giant robot, I take it?
Correct, the robot needs to be non-giant.
there is an integer limit because every number in a computer has a limit no matter how obscenely high it may be, it's not like you have infinite bits
Actually, I think that the Spy's sapper should be counted. The stock sapper deals 25 damage per second while on an enemy building, and the rescue ranger can repair buildings but doesn't remove sappers. Therefore, against a building that was being constantly repaired by an engineer using the Rescue Ranger, the sapper could deal constant damage until the server crashes - about 6 months according to Shounic, giving the sapper a maximum damage of ~388,800,000 (6*30*24*60*60*25)
Not in a single hit
I'm pretty sure you can't repair a sapped building no matter what
@@mr.d00m37 according to the teirlist paramaters at the end, damage over time effects count towards the total highest damage a weapon can do. Also the argument could be made that spy only clicks once, and thus does this damage "in one hit"
The rescue ranger can't actually repair things that are sapped.
However, at least formerly (I don't know if this still happens) you could have one side of the teleporter sapped, and the other side not sapped, which lets you repair the sapped side with your wrench by hitting the unsapped side, and it won't break the sapper. Thus, this would still work. (assuming the trick still exists.)
@@elkssr sapping a building in the middle of it's upgrade animation you can create a sapper that cant be destroyed by engineer, instead the building gets healed. not sure if it is just mid upgrade animation in general or if it had to be a lvl 2 or 3 building picked up and being placed back on the ground by the engi and middle of it being re-built. but yeah it is possible to heal buildings that are sapped
also in mvm building upgrade canteen fixes buildings that are sapped. so does upgrading building health (and you can go between adding the upgrade, then removing the upgrade and adding it back again without leaving the upgrade station to fix the buildings without credit cost or ending up maxing the upgrade)
Man, I can't wait for the Red Tape Recorder part of this video!
The Red Tape Recorder:
Red Tape Recorder? I hardly know her!
@@SquimJim nice
@SquimJim my Friend will draw the red tape recorder as anime girl. Congrats
@@NoahBadger How's the project going?
@TheLastPiecePizza-Alex- it's not me who is drawing is my Friend
They called Asexmedic so ask them
I somehow immediately recognized the thumbnail as a reference to The Naked Gun, despite never watching the movie.
cultural osmosis
I realy encourege you to watch them then!
Tntina's glider in fortnite lol
10:09 ironically if the plugin is updated to work with the 64 bit update theres a chance that cap is lifted considering 2147m is the biggest 32-bit int.
>reduced dead ringer resistance makes backstabs deal 187.5 damage
So would a buffed Kunai spy with the Dead Ringer be able to survuve a backstab then?
No, because it factors in overheal. So the initial backstab damage would also be higher.
@@SquimJim ah damn I'm an idiot then lol
Used to tho
@@SquimJimwhat about deadringer plus a mannpower power-up? Or do they not stack?
The fact that this series has been ongoing for over 3 years is so surreal to think about for me.
Still finished before Lazy Purple finished How it Feels to Play Medic. :(
@@arcshadowstormhe’s really living up to the name!
9:17 so the reason why the number displays as 21220 is because the damage number actually overflowed. the maximum damage number the HUD can display is 32767 (max signed 16 bit integer value). you stabbed the heavy at 4499 HP, so it actually resulted in 53988 damage-- subtract this by 32768 and boom, 21220 on the HUD
4:20 THE CHAT 💀😭
.... He is kind of a twink though
they're not wrong
I like how there always seems to be a blue spy hiding as a box whenever he's in the tutorial warehouse
What if instead of Team Fortress 2 it was Freak Fortress 2? And instead of the spy doing backstabs he did backshots?
Backshots are Scout’s thing tho.
@@tangerinepaint3643 technically also pyro's.
Freak Fortress 2 being an actual mod makes this really funny
@@Roddy-g2d It’s more like Backspraying but I get your point.
@@kalerug Imagine if the freaks in FF2 were extra freaky
9:05 full use of Dalokohs Bar/FishCake
Love The Naked Gun thumbnail. One of my favorite movies.
My guess (prewatching) for highest damage: Backstabbing the Heavy while the Heavy is under the effects of the King power up + full Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + Max normal Overheal; (Heavy’s base max hp of 300 + 100 from the King Powerup from mannpower +100 from the full use of the Dalokohs Bar/FishCake + max normal overheal) * 6 = 3,600 damage
I FORGOT ABOUT THE DAMN KNOCKOUT POWER UP!
What I find funny about the knife taunt kill is you can do the same job but quicker, easier, more consistent, and just generally better by just backstabbing people normally.
but not as humiliating
I mean that's kinda true for _every_ taunt kill, isn't it?
Except maybe Sniper's Skewer, due to the stun from the first half and how quick it is in general
And I guess Heavy's Showdown too due to its ridiculous range and having an option to somewhat reliably set it up via the Holiday Punch
Love the thumbnail that’s hilarious - the naked gun reference is sick
The damage rounding might be happening on each step of the damage calculation. It does depend on the ordering though. If you assume that strength and minicrits happen last, the diamondback/ambassador formula is:
40 x 0.85 is 34
34 x 1.5 is 51
51 x 1.3 is 66.3 truncates to 66
66 x 2 is 132
132 x 1.35 is 178.2, truncates to 178.
6:45 in addition, youd still get the normal knockback applied to yourself, so if you were airborne or otherwise above the spy who backstabs you, most commonly by having him be a friend and standing on his head, you could fly across the map.
I remember seeing a spy montage back in the day that used the Dead Ringer's backstab protection to fly into the air and get a stab on an enemy. That thing was broken.
12:04 Hoovies screams and explodes instantly
12:38 if you haven't already, you could try to see the highest and lowest damage saxton hale could do, I think that would be a fun video idea
Love the Naked Gun thumbnail
What about using the chocolate bar or the buffalo steak for more backstab damage?
Small colorful frogs in the wild be packing that max damage "just in case" of 200 giant heavies
The naked gun spy in the front is amazing
I’ve got an idea. What if you made a video trying to beat Solider’s record by progressively cheating more and more, using commands that couldn’t occur in game, completely impossible situations, maybe even community game modes
This is the greatest thumbnail I’ve ever seen, in my entire life.
We are so back spybros
My wisdom teeth got removed and my teeth hurt
hit your tooth with the fan o war
How can they hurt if they got removed?
@@SquimJim my back molars got pushed around by my wisdom teeth and now their moving back into place so that’s why
@SquimJim his teeth are ghosts that want revenge
Do as best you can to avoid getting dry sockets! I got them and food got stuck up in them, which will be far more painful than your teeth hurting even on opioids!
With custom MvM missions, which only require writing a text file, you can give robots custom attributes and health, so there's a lot you can play around with there
4:13 sophisticated conversation in chat
Quite so
Also I agree, I'd let Scout bonk me anytime too
honestly i really like the modern enforcer, specifically the resistance peircing. specifically because spy is an influtration class who can already kill high health targets at the risk of revealing their squishy self. and having resistances makes players particularly cocky. and with buffs often being area based or at least making them an ancour it's harder to backstab.
change i would say is instead of a weird damage boost on disguise making the downside nothing, move the damage buff to when the resistance peircing activates, maybe even extend it to any buff or if you're feeling nasty any status effect so it can maintain those damage highs but make it a bit more interactive than just the first shot, cause right now it can 2 tap light classes like the other guns. i genuinly don't get why people call this weapon bad you can solo a wrangled sentry from outside of the nest with a single clip.
I can't wait for The Spy Guns 33 and 1/3
If I had a nickel for every tf2 related TH-camr had a manscaped sponser in a video today. I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
2:41 from what i have heard, it rounds down at every multiplier calculation.
5:09 ironic considering it’s literally on their back
After all this year.
Finally, I have them all
Can’t wait for min and max Halloween damage sources, where you go over pumpkin bombs, bosses, zombies, and SPELLS.
I love the naked gun parody of the thumbnail
Related to your enforcer tangent: I think it should be able to pierce sapper armour (I think it’s technically not a resistance but a damage penalty to the revolver but still) I think I could secure a nice niche as a building buster since it pierces wrangler shield as well
Honestly would be neat to see this series with MvM upgrades factored in. You can't stack them with Mannpower powerups in the vanilla game, but it'd be cool to see Demo swords kicking ass with their damage upgrades (because yes, Demo's swords have damage upgrades in MvM! Demoknight can be viable).
Awesome series, really enjoyed it :))) Thank you for all the effort Squim!
That thumbnail is legendary.
glad to have been here throughout this series, good luck with with whatever project/series you do next!
12:20 pyro can use powerjack to increase the damage to 630
there is another way to get a higher organic backstab without cheats, but it's not easily done, and likely hard to track.
Mann Vs Machine has the overheal mastery upgrade, which would let the medic increase the max overheal to 150% bonus health, bringing the heavy to 750 max health. With fists of steel swapped to after, that should theoretically do 9000 on a backstab. the tricky part would be to actually test this.
13:11 I saw sheshells in casual, played like a menace.
it seems like backstab damage is a short internally, which means values are limited to the range -32768 to 32767. when shorts are uncapped, any numbers higher than the max will overflow and any numbers lower will underflow. accounting for this, the 21220 damage + 32768 is 53988, just about perfectly on the mark for the 54000 it should be. not sure where the extra 12-13 went, likely some intermediate step in the calculations.
For backstabbing the giant heavy; Hitnumbers are a signed 16 bit integer and cap at 32,767 and roll over. Negative values are only used for healing, otherwise it is treated like a 15-bit number and carries over. Not sure where the last 12 damage went though
An idea about the dead ringer
You said that on a backstab against a spy using it the damage goes up to 187, killing the spy regardless. And overheal would not be able to save the spy since it caps out at 185.
EXCEPT if you're using the kunai. A spy using the kunai and being healed by a medic would maintain the kunai's overheal, since while mediguns can't overheal past their limit they can still maintain overheal (this is most apparent with a stock medigun and the quick fix).
So if a kunai spy that is being healed by a medic gets a backstab AND THEN gets backstabbed while holding the deadringer out, that spy would IN THEORY be able to live through a backstab.
Probably good to mention why I mentioned having a medic at all. It's just to keep the overheal at 210 without it diminishing, which would make achieving this more manageable.
Except the overheal would also increase the backstab's damage.
Surely the spy can deal ludicrous amounts of damage, the backstab is really powerful.
Yes, he can. And don't call me Shirley.
(I know that joke is from Airplane and not the Naked Gun series, but I just couldn't resist.)
I've played this game for almost 9 years now and I've never realized spy technically doesn't have a primary weapon, I never even noticed it saying secondary instead of primary in the revolver menu
To this day, Soldier’s Goomba stomp remains the highest damage dealer in all of TF2
I don't know if you talked about it but in 100 player servers, soldier can do infinite damage. Like at a certain point the game literally stops counting and just puts inf.
Another idea would be min/max damage in MvM for each class and their various upgrades
My guess before watching the video (parentheses are for if Mannpower counts)
Highest is Spy (with Strength powerup) backstabbing a Heavy (with Knockout powerup) with the Fists of Steel active, Lowest is getting just the first hit of his taunt kill (on someone with Resistance powerup)
edit: pretty close on the first one, forgot that overhealing increases backstab damage and didn't know about that Knockout glitch. For some reason I thought Spy's taunt kill did one damage on the first two hits, don't know why.
considering there used to be a thing where running a tf2 server on either a linux or windows would determine whether engineer got 40 or 41 metal from small ammo packs, i wonder if that also applies to damage rounding
These videos are always a treat i love your style and energy makes me watch your old videos after a while
I feel like there was a missed opportunity to include backstab damage from a now-official vs Saxton Hale mode.
The Enforcer is also useful for taking down buildings... kind of.
When you sap a building, damage from Spy's revolver is strongly reduced (by ~33%). However, the Enforcer overrides this, meaning you can accelerate the damage done to a building if you sap it and proceed to unload rounds on it. Yet thanks to Source Spaghetti, this does not work on Sentry Guns, as they retain their 33% resistance to revolver shots.
It _does_ manage to pierce the Wrangler's damage resistance, which means that Ubering a Spy with an Enforcer is technically a viable strategy.
Come to think of it, perhaps you should do a video regarding minimum and maximum damage for and against buildings?
You could also try doing Minimum / Maximum in MvM! Such as Katana demos being 1 tapped by Zatoichi (They have 750 health), or hell, backstabs on steel gauntlets which 1 tap them too
It could be interesting to see how Saxton Hale's Damage Values looks. Highest and lowest wise.
Would be a shame to see the series end on Spy with a severe lack of weapons lol
9:24 oh god they've gained sentience
If you want to continue this serie, maybe an episode on Halloween bosses and spells could be neato
Wait, theres a Halloween map that has some gimmick where you turn into a giant with a ton of health. Can the Spy backstab them and do even more legitimate damage?
i love the naked gun reference in the thumbnail
Huh. That taunt kill on buildings could prove useful. I'll have to remember that.
Mate we had this conversation before but I still stand for what I said, spy's backstab damage is really just a visual indicator to have a way to not say "death" , this is proven by the old heavy infinite hp glitch, it didn't matter if you stayed there and gain 1 billion hp a backstab would still kill you, so backstab damage is theoretically "Infinite", the damage numbers just being there to show that the backstab did more damage than your current hp, that's why sometimes it doesn't show the correct damage that the backstab did as it's just a way to say that the backstab damage was greater than your hp so you died.
did you not realize that the buffalo steak increases damage taken when you eat it all this time?
The steaks vulnerability is ignored if the attack is a crit. For some reason. It was covered in the earlier vids.
Could also hypothetically do a bonus video after the zombies for misc environmental damage sources like saw blades and NPCs (if the damage isn't fixed values)
Even if it definitely seems like a can of worms, I do think it'd probably be interesting to look at the other gamemodes (official or even non-official) as well, like zombies or saxton hale! (As well as maybe maxes outside of mann-power as well as in mann-power?)
I don't really mind, but this series has definitely been cool!
What are the maximum and minimum damages that the world/ maps can deal
There's also using Saxton Hale as a target for each of these, but that's because of HP scaling so
I once got like, over 600 base hp as medic in mannpower with a powerup, I don't know how that happened, but it would probably make the backstab do more damage
I wish every class had a hand melee weapon. The spy could be a middle finger, but that might be to rude, so maybe a thumbs up that when he gets behind someone it turns into a thumbs down.
The TF2 Medic Vs. TFC Medic would be really funny to just say "TFC Medic stomps, the end."
The different damage values could be because windows handles numbers differently. For example on windows servers mini ammo packs will give you 41 Metal instead of 40 (like on the usually Linux running server)
You could do what's the fastest and slowest each class can go
maybe damage gets rounded after each individual multiplier or something, so multiple times consecutavely.
maybe you could cover all of the oddly specific playable classes? such as Saxton Hale and the zombies, like you mentioned
how about you do "the highest and lowest damage a sentry buster can do"? I dont expect a video to come out about this but it would be interesting
Speaking of instant kills you didn't test Half zatoichi on the giants in Crasher or that one xmiss map that makes one player on blu a giant. So if you ever do a follow up covering things forgotten or missed there's one thing you could cover.
(Quickfix prevents overheal from decaying so use that to conserve the overheal from the zatoichi on a giant.)
hey i recognize that value, thats an integer limit, wouldn't be shocked if spy's damage would cap there too with a player with that health, even if it should go higher, or it'll be a Ghandi in civilization situation and wrap back around to something rather low (iirc the genocidal Ghandi glitch in the civ games was cause -1 wasn't a value the computers could lower to for their peace so it wraps around to 255, the 8 bit integer limit)
I wonder if that wrapping around is why those other damages seem lower than they should
Like the naked gun reference in the thumbnail, my hat tips to ye
Very nice failstab compilation at the end there
What about the TF2 Holiday Bosses? Merasmus, Monoculus, HHH, Krampus. What is the highest and lowest damage they can deal?
The Enforcer if they were to rework it should be more like its name, it should’ve had better damage and worse accuracy and be more like a midrange high damage dealer, like an alternative to the ambassador. it’d be a gunspies dream
Feels so good seeing this series comes to its conclusion :') loved every single one
Spy Gaming
You know it’s a good day when squim Jim uploads
LOVED THIS SERIES!
Wish we still had the infinite overheal heavy exploit available. it would have been hillarious for this.
I think there could be a way of looping MvM into this series if you felt like stretching it out. Either with the bots or upgrades.
Never underestimate random crit from a revolver going from mere 25-30 to **Almost one-shot killing a scout across a map**
The Enforcer’s seen as taboo mostly because of its inconsistency against various defensive targets
Placing Sappers, for example, adds a bizarre 20% damage resistance to Sentries that the Enforcer cannot pierce, even more bizarrely
That, and the damage bonus doesn’t really offer any significant benefits against much anything besides lightweight classes in point blank range, that can usually kill YOU much more easily (and quicker, that firing speed penalty is much more apparent when the overall weapon is basically just a Stock Revolver clone) than you can kill THEM
With the specific exception of Sniper
The Enforcer is good.. against Razorback Snipers, as it bears a two shot kill against unbuffed lightweights.
..Targets whom the Ambassador would generally be more reliable for, as it has notably longer effective range.
The Enforcer’s not BAD by any stretch, it can put things in the ground just as any Revolver can, it just doesn’t offer anything for Spy that other revolvers don’t offer MORE of
It’s niche in the best case scenario, a liability in the worst
A janky but effective change would be to make the weapon actually deal Bleed damage instead of Bullet based, similarly to the Cleaver, as Bleed is *truly* unresistable by any means
You wouldn’t need to actually make the weapon APPLY the status condition, but changing its damage type internally would directly impact how it interacts with various sources of resistances, and nothing else, presumably
Its finaly here!
You can get sourcemod plugins to work if you run the 32 bit executable