TF2 Heights Don't Make Any Sense
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*holy hell. we still dont have comic 7 in 7 years. who knows bay raitt what he is doing right now?*
wait a sec, wouldn't you be measuring average height from the time that Tf2 takes place rather than modern day to take into perspective how tall they'd be on a logical scale and whether that'd consider them short or not?
@The_Recruit There is VERY little difference in the average height now vs the 1960s. At no time in modern history would 5'6" be above average.
@@SquimJim Thanks for responding, this was when I was about 3 mins into the video.
The standard in 19272 (when tf2 roughly takes place after MvM) was 5'9 so your video remains correct.
Good video :3
@@SquimJim *MAKE THE SPEED ONE OR I WILL STEAL YOUR SKELETON*
50 iq: the 4chan height chart is correct
100 iq: the 4chan height chart is arbitrary and incorrect
200 iq: the 4chan height chart is correct
so true mastema. this post was fact checked by true law aligned individuals
the bell curve tolls
Should be more like 85, 100, 115
@@drdca8263Yeah
80-100 Really Isn’t All That
We have Gone Full Freedom and Full Circle
Perfection
What 6 years with no Update does
To a mann
🤓
Backstabbed before they could finish
Ranking of The letters of tf2
What 6 feet does to a man
Knowing tf2 lore I would believe it if someone told me that the reason everyone is so short is because back in the olden days people above 5’9 were executed for witchcraft until the tall genes got wiped out
Unironically would fit in 100% with the TF2 canon
But still merasmus is not as tall as on game if you see comic
In fact he just at same size as soldier
@@dumpanimatorwho are we to assume merasmus can’t change his size at will
@@dumpanimatorhe's a wizard
Perhaps this is why in the setting Australians are so huge, Australium shields them from the shrinking effect and makes them as tall as they actually are.
"take it like a man, shorty" -- the shortest class in a game that can be classified as a dwarf
I think that's engineer's voice line for dominating another engineer💀he knows
Engie is projecting.
@@blacklight683 funnily enough it isnt, its just a voiceline for a melee kill
@@ajmickey6747 oh... I never actually knew there was melee kill voice lines💀
@blacklight683 I thought it was a domination line for when an engie dominates a scout 😭 I might be wrong but idk
measure spy's cigarette and find the difference between that and an average cigarette then multiply every merc on screen by that amount.
That's... actually a great idea!
Americans are desperate not to use the metric system
Cigarettes burn away
I scaled the disguise kit model to fit the width of the cigarette from his mouth to discover he uses 100mm cigarettes. After stacking cigarettes I determined spy is 23 100mm cigarettes tall. So Spy is apparently over 7 feet tall if he smokes true 100mm cigarettes. Even if we say the disguise kit is wrong and he smokes regular cigarettes in the 75ishmm range, he's still close to or over 7 feet based on what I can tell.
I suspect they'd be even smaller since that cigarette is not an average cigarette in 2024.
To be honest there is a good chance that 4chan heights were used while making the comics.
That's possible, if the artist didn't have any height chart on hand they could have googled it and assumed the first result was correct, it has happened a couple of times in the Transformers franchise
@@edvinkaziunas5847 as a veteran fnaf fan since all the way back in the fnaf 1 days... don't even get me started on official sources using fan content 💀
That's exactly what I thought, the reason why the guess was exactly correct is because the guess was used as a resource in the first place!
@@buttersddragon Seriously, was Splinks ever paid for official merch using his models?
@@ticklemedaddyUsually not Splinks
Wow, a world where 5'6" is considered tall! Where might someone find this place? Asking for a friend.
Tell everyone you know that you're as tall as Heavy from TF2.
THE Philippines!!! But that requires great sacrifice.
South asia i guess
@@phantomstriker7996 What's thay sacriface?
Third world countries.
An anon getting it completely right from guesswork is pretty on brand
Engi is living proof that dwarves are the true master race. Just look at him, the shortest merc yet also the one that carries his team the hardest.
Doc, cmon man!
Medic!
cmere sweetheart
engineer is dwarf artificer confirmed
Team and Fort to the bone!
i'm pretty sure that the artist behind that panel googled how tall the merc's are and they found that 4chan height chart and just made it canon
Never underestimate a 4chan user with nothing to do about his useless math he probably crunched the numbers for hours
4chan aka Weaponized Autism.
@@DMAN99 im autistic and this joke is hillarious
@@aidenyorke2132 that's cool but i dont think anyone needed to know
@@yourunclejoe9500 shut
It's from tf2chan and it (was) filled with women
The actual height of the mercenaries tying back to the beginning and proving the 4Chan user correct is the truest epitome of "I don't know how, but you used the wrong formula and got the correct answer."
It's 4chan so it's more like "You crazy sonovabitch, you did it". Because he actually used the correct formula. It's everybody else who was wrong. We discovered what he knew all along... Fucking 4chan with its arcane knowledge
Hey, still worth a point. Now wrap the answer into a sentence and you got another point.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I have no idea what you just said, but you phrased it in such a way that I feel oddly compelled to agree. 2 points for you then
2:45 Heavy: I can deny it no longer…. I am small
:(
The level 3 sentry gun is the same height as Charizard
Engineer's buildings could be pokemon-
Holy shit
A fair fight then? *Holsters The Wrangler*
Sentry gun I choose you!
@@taylor3512 Sentry gun used a gun, it's super effective!
My guess is that no one every really thought about it until the comics and then Googled their way into the 4chan chart and worked from there. Valve (at the time) strikes me as a company that would rather it look and play good before being lord accurate as well as the lore for TF2 kinda being an afterthought
I was actually thinking the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened!
Remember, Team Fortress 2 takes place in the 60's, and back then the average height was smaller than today's.
It really wasn't notably different. People don't just get taller over time, they just get shorter when there is poor nutrition, as was the case for most of history until recently. The 1960s isn't so far in the past that an average person then would be considerably shorter than one now.
@@tau-5794 Oh hello, "Acshuallyyyyyyy" guy that never fails to always shows up.
@@donbasuradenuevo Bro who asked
@@donbasuradenuevo LOL
@@tau-5794 Same could be said about your comment XD
The engineer technically classifies as a dwarf?
*rock and stone, partner*
For Karl! Yeeee-Haww!
the engineer class DOES exist in DRG
along with scout
@@wr3nche5 Ye-heah! Rock n' stone, leaf lovah'! WOO!
Casual reminder that the last major update came out on October 20, 2017.
How tf did Jungle Inferno come out 7 years ago
@@bruhbruh-us6gl It did, that's how.
Competitive reminder that the last major update came out on October 20, 2017.
@@secondBAR You said the c word, how could you?
When TF2 was 10 years and 10 days old.
Quick note about Hammer Units from a Source mapper: 1 HU is actually equivalent to 1 American inch, but only for characters and props. Walls, floors, ceilings, and doors use the 1 HU = 0.75 inch scale because it's more compatible with Hammer's grid system (long story) and it helps levels feel less claustrophobic. HOWEVER, the extra complication here is that TF2's character models are intentionally made larger than the characters in other Source games, so these scales are meaningless for TF2 specifically. For example, in HU the Engineer is actually taller than Coach, the tallest character in L4D2 who's supposed to be 6'3".
Yeah, there is a default, but a developer doesn't has to use that default.
6'4" Engineer will haunt my nightmares
i mean heavy has the proportions of a gorilla
yeah long arms, short legs
A master of his runes (blueprints) and a master craftsman of unmatched weaponry. Engie is a true dwarf.
Glad i could help out Squim!
This comment appeared as soon as you were mentioned
@@_Dot_Mp4_I am the Master of Timing.
What 6 updates with no years does
Do you mean what 6 years with no update does (still funny though)
@@the_average_zelda_playerswitching words to make something weird.
the fact i read this three times to realize it's (intentionally) worded wrong lol
@@the_average_zelda_player He meant what he meant
Does years with 6 no updates what
My headcannon after watching this is that the entire tf2 world is just a slightly smaller version than ours.
Average heights today are taller than they used to be so it could just be the time period
I'm a nerd and must nerd out
Giant Snipers do exist in Two Cities as Giant Huntsman Snipers :)
That's my uhm ackshully moment, thank you for your time!
The wiki says those are 1.5X size! Semi-giants?
@@SquimJim Only a spy would lie about being a giant like that!
the TF2 MVM lore deepens
@@moony_otter Those are not giants. They lack attributes Miniboss. Additionally they can be instantly be killed via backstabs.
Imagine being wrong when doing an uhm ackshully
@@wizardii4961 I got out-uhm ackshully'd :(
lol gg, yeah i never really noticed the difference, personally, but that was my bad
5 bucks says the comic artists referenced the 4Chan height chart.
I think the artists use to post on TF2Chan so I'd believe it.
They all grew up in the 1920s-30s ish era, they probably few up very malnourished
I don't know if that entirely justifies it. Scout, for example, certainly grew up in the 40s and 50s, during the most economically prosperous era in the US. I would believe malnutition for Medic, Soldier, and Heavy, though.
@@megariggedDemoman also canonically confirmed to be very malnourished, thiugh that seems to be by choice.
@@fojisan2398 Oh, really? Where?I don't remember that, although I definitely believe it.
@@megarigged That panel where Demo has an internal monologue with his organs leaving him because of his alcoholism and Spy mentioning how he "lives off of grain alcohol"
@@megariggedin the comics when Pauling demo and spy are captured by the old team fortress
Some 4channer: "I'll just assume that.. sniper is 6.1 and base the heights of others from that. Idk."
SquimJim years later: "After several sources to get a believable height chart... son of a bitch he's right!"
Math teacher: "Idk how, but you used the wrong method yet the right answer!"
Statistician : Let's assume the median class Spy is the average male height 5'6.
Scientists: Let's compare the heights of the class to the heights of known objects in their environment.
Mathmeticians: Lets use the defined hammer unit to inch conversion ratio.
Historians: Let's assume the height of Spy matches what is recorded in the comic.
4Chan: I just guessed lol
and somehow, the guy on 4chan was right.
2:55 counter argument: Heavy isnt an American man, hes *Russian* man
He is a global man.
Fantasy world? Short? 5’6 is HUGE! Giant. Enormous. Well endowed as some may say I think.
No I’m not coping, you’re coping 😡
I honestly think it's less likely that the 4chan guy made a really good guess, and more likely that a certain artist at valve had to google the character's heights and found that image... Which is pretty funny if true.
Now we need the heights of :
-Pauling
-Saxton Hale
-Headless Horseless Horseman
-Merasmus
Since the height guide from 4chan is from years before the comic, perhaps the artists just googled TF2 Class Heights and used it as a reference.
Soldier also wears Jungle Boots which probably give him an extra 2 to 3 inches.
The scaling difference in TF2 is something you can see between different versions of hammer. If you take a TF2 character into a map correctly scaled for half-life, the TF2 characters will have trouble moving around in some areas. Likewise when playing a TF2 map in a game like Gmod the map will appear slightly larger than in TF2.
Something to note about Heavy usually towering over Scout, Scout is almost always slouched in game, or at least has his knees bent and his centre of mass lower than it should be (for what I can only assume is for balance)
Prolly need to find an in-game item that either has One Single Possible Size (like from standardization) or is literally a tool for measuring size/distance if you wanna be TRUE certain.
One person here used Spy's cigarette to measure. I suggested taking a gun barrel. Then there are obviously the oil drums on many maps. And pieces of wood like the bridge on 2fort, which most likely are bought following a standard and not custom tooled. Individual steps on staircases might also work, they aren't always the same, but fall into a pattern that is comfortable to use.
Dyslexia, figure one: I somehow read that as "TF2 _heists_ make no sense" and somehow was convinced that stands for... Payday 2.
Tayfay 2!
I misread it as “TF2 Highlights make no sense” and thought it was going to be trashing on highlight reels lol
Your pfp is worrying
@@Pangloss6413 I don't even what it is
Wonderful video. As a Halo modder we deal with the same issue. The "lore" height assumes Master Chief is exactly 7ft but the direct export height is like 5ft something.
9:50 Jim, iirc giant robo- engineers, sniper, and spy were using the default MiniBoss size which is 1.75 times bigger than their regular variant.. which is pretty silly for what they're supposed to do.
When it comes to niche research and guesswork, 4chan is actually a pretty reliable source. They've cracked multiple cyphers that comic authors created, correctly predicted secret twist endings to shows, and even tracked down a flag in the middle of nowhere using vapor trails and star charts
7:16 I was half expecting “not only is he standing at a perfect 6 feet tall, but the spy HAS A GUN!”
All I know is being 6'2" myself sucks, my dad 6'4" himself can agree with me being tall sucks.
Finding pants with proper length, finding good seats that don't scrunch our legs, possibly banging our heads atop of door frames, etc.
Enjoy being short.
short privilege
lord i wish i was shorter
Nah average is better than both
You're lucky. As a 5'5 man, I have to climb up a mountain just to get in bed. Good news tho is that a savage size slim jim is about a years worth of food.
@@the_epic_memer553 you can just sleep on the floor, it works fine.
4chan creating the biggest headcanon from scratch that revealed to be canon later on is the most 4chan thing i've ever heard. Bonus if the headcanon was attempt at misinformation
But how tall is Merasmus?!
Merasmus seems to be based on Sniper model scaled up to be twice as tall as him.
Merasmus in game and comic have different size tho
In the comic Doom-mates his height is just a few inch taller from soldier and a woman on that comic
But sience he can alter human size it is not really surprise if he actually just increase his height in game
Merasmus is as tall as he wants to at the moment.
Today I had a very strange low.
I started watching Latin American Inca documentaries and Chris Marker video essays and eventually ended up watching a video about the height of TF2 characters.
Its funnier to think that all of the mercs are manlets in a huge brawl
Also isn’t there an in game scale or something in the spawn room? If it has legible numbers that could be more accurate to the in game heights
maybe everything in texas isn't bigger…
😭😭😭
who says it was about height :) something is deff bigg on the texas engineer
lies, the texas state capitol in austin is bigger than the us capitol in dc
Doesn't Valve have a real life sentry in its HQ? Someone could measure it lol
Ngl, engie the dwarf makes sense to me
Also sniper is cheating, he has lifts in his shoes that engie made for him so he could peek over walls better
We all know by now that an average 4chan user with too much time on their hands may as well be special ops.
A bunch of teenagers triangulating contrails and weather patterns solely to screw with Shia Lebouf's flag is still the most simultaneously terrifying and hilarious thing I've ever seen.
But how many of them have over 300 confirmed kills and are trained in gorilla warfare?
Dude this is such a perfect representation of the awkward height to real world translation in TF2. I tried doing this for fun once and I was doing (much looser) Game Theory style door measurements. Seeing someone else get the same answers feels vindicating, I thought I was just bad at math XD
Keep in mind that doors in games tend to be larger than in real life. And that is for regular doors like in houses. Most doors on the maps are extra large.
valve has a real level 1 centry in their headquarters so you can use that to figure out the height
while tf2 has no major update in years heavy weapons guy took his time off and flown to canopy to take a vacation
I always took that original height chart picture as being official. Glad you dug deeper and enjoyed how you looked at a bunch of different sources (figures, hammer units, comics etc.) Really well done video:)
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Well done on whoever did that height chart! Perfectly accurate guess! I hope he’s still around enough to see this video and learn how right he is.
That said, for total accuracy, all the mercs would be a little shorter without their boots on. They all have heels, sniper probably has the most pronounced ones.
Giant sniper bots do appear as the giant huntsman snipers on one of the mannhattan missions.
What are the odds the comic makers were unsure about how tall the spy was and decided to just look it up assuming someone had properly done the math? (I'm thinking pretty high)
wait. i can combine the hammer unit to real world measurement conversion with another piece of random knowledge I've had for years. the gay miniatures from night at the museum are exactly three hammer units tall.
and somehow this is actually going to be really useful because i'm trying to build the entire museum from night at the museum (as it appears in canon, which is entirely different from the museum they used to film the exterior shots) in hammer.
Here's my theory as to how they got the 4chan post got the height right: they made an assumption for the heights and the makers of TF2 and the comics saw that and said "Yeah, that seems accurate" and made those the officials heights
Wow, I guess I'm taller than Heavy. Even though he could still probably break me like a twig...
It’s similar to how the dwarves in DRG are like 9 feet tall
What?!
How is that calculated?
DRG uses the Unreal Engine, which uses metric units.
The dwarves are 1.5 metres tall. Or, 150 cm, or 4 ft 11 in.
The artist who made the thumbnail deserves a platonic smooch for their masterpiece
People when they thought you'd be taller:
Dwarf Fortress 2
I wonder what that would make Ms Paulings height since I would assume her standing next to scout shows her to be a bit shorter than him in expiration date so maybe around 5 feet 7 inches would be my guess
For all we know an artist making the comic might've googled the height and came across that same info and just went with it
4:42 I don't think it is impossible for Heavy to be 208.28 cm tall. I mean, he's supposed to be a walking wall with a big gun in a fictional world. The door of my bathroom is 210 cm and, comparing the door with a real world TF2 Heavy, i can actually tell that it's very plausible that he is that tall
I remember recently working with hammer, and some of the variables (im not sure but i think it was the lip variable for func_door brushes) specified how much space "in inches" it should move more by
and i don't think the devs made that variable mean that it would move by a weird fraction of an hammer unit, (if a hammer unit really is 0,75 inches), so i think they meant that 1 hu = 1inch in that case at least
so the heavy would in that case be 223,52cm tall - just a theory tho, not entirely set in stone on anything there 🙂
That's left from older Source engine games where a player is 72 inches/units tall. They didn't change the descriptions for TF2 Hammer 😔
Now the goblineer makes more sense
I like how magic existing is more believable than someone being 5'6
Cool, I have always been the same height as Pyro
Cosplay idea!!!!!
burn the convention center down
You could maybe use the jungle inferno trailer to scale saxton
Maybe the comic artists googled the merc heights and saw the 4chan thread, thus accidentally making it become canon
I would looove a video on the mercs speed! Great job on this one!
It would have been interesting if you found a known scale in game to compare with. Something like assuming the bonk can is standard. I’m sure there is a good scale in the game somewhere.
To be fair to short heavy heights do change often throughout the years like the in the 1950s I’m pretty sure people were shorter on average than nowadays
I'm stumped that no one thought of this: the in-game Righteous Bison is a 1:1 version of WETA's Righteous Bison. Use that model as a measuring stick, and you can get real measurements.
i wonder in theory if you use collab items (such as ones from deus ex, grordbort, and alien) you could in theory find their height.
but i remembered the phlog's proportions in tf2 and grordbort canon (MIGHT BE) very off
edit:the phlogistinator apparently dosent exist? i only saw models of the unnatural selector. which looks exactly like the phlog but has a longer stock and no dongle?(the tank in the bottom). if this is truethis has heavy implications to the lore and might explain how pyro managed to run frontier engineering and uh.
wdym pyro is able to make stuff
ok, ok. THE PHLOG IS ACTUALLY A MODIFIED UNNATURAL SELECTOR!
the lever is weld. and pyro somehow managed to turn a rifle into a flamethrower.
while yeah this creates two headcannons that (one of them is in line with tf2 while the other is wack) for me.
a. the pyro is insanely good at engineering and
b. we now knew how the phlogistinator worked
ngl i genuinenly thought that things like the scottish resistance, the flare gun, and maybe even the widowmaker to have good explanation but i guess its the phlog's crit is probably powered by the dongle and that's probably some generator connected to the rifle
@@CalculatorGuidesTf2 mercs get most of their weapons from Mann Co, so it must be Mann Co's engineers building phlogs and other jury rigged stuff they have. Pyro is high as a kite in pyroland, so i don't think they can really build anything. (except Mmmph meter with phlog.)
Next video should be comparing the height of every card in CLash Royale
could always estimate saxtons height using the jungle inferno vid
little bit taller than scout from what i can guess, so maybe ~6 foot?
Thats not spys official hight, a spy of his caliber knows how to fake his height.
I hope theres a speed followup. great video!
When "If came to me in a dream" is a reliable source
I absolutely hate the fact that something coming from 4chan of all places is pretty accurate.
Why?
I learned I'm as tall as heavy. So, I'm feeling pretty good about myself right now.
I don't know if I love the idea of the 1/4th Freeman being 20 inches tall. Sure, maybe the HEV suit boots are big, but c'mon, Gordon Freeman is not 6'8. I imagine Black Mesa's (admittedly arbitrary) stat of just barely shy of 6'0 is more accurate.
Yep, Gordon Freeman is 72 inches tall ingame.
I fricking love how the whole video is spent doing calculations literally anything that could be used to measure the mercs' heights after finding out the 4Chan height chart is just a guess, only to turn around and say that yes the 4Chan height chart is accurate rendering the whole video pointless, truly is what 6 years with no updates does to a gamer lmao, A+ video, Great content.
Maybe it wasn’t a guess, maybe they were just embarrassed about actually going through the process of learning their heights.
This entire video could just be calling me short, im the height of the engineer.
A squimjim video always does put a smile on my face
Thanks for including the non-usa measure units, my brain was melting from all the mental math ❤
[(feet * 30) + (in * 2.5)]cm
Hey, at least they didn't have to do area. That would have involved square roots.
(sqrt(sqfeet)*0.3)^2 m^2
Hey SquimJim I ran into you and Jib during a round of Barnblitz a few days ago. I didn't get the chance to say it in game but your videos are great. Thanks for always managing to come up with interesting and unique ideas for videos. They're always a joy to watch. The fact you do your own art is incredible too.
When someone's guess sounds more logical and possible than using the game itself
Hey, cool and good video as usual... But this all seems slightly tall? Like I could easily imagine Engineer standing below other classes around, like, 5'4, 5'5, which would put the rest of the mid-range more closer to average and not have appraoching-7ft tall Heavy or whatever.
Not a huge deal, theyre all fighters or whatever so maybe even the shorter classes being big compared to 50's average or the environment is expected? idk, shorter just seemed simpler to me, even with some of the circumstantial confirmation like the robot figure (kinda) and Anon's guesswork.
I am also now curious how other in-game objects measure up now though, as well as Valve's irl Level 1 Sentry :o
What 6 years with no updates does to a mfer
8:34 Oh wow!!!
11:17 No this was way better. Remember, it was BASED OFF ASSUMING SNIPER WAS SIX FOOT ONE.