@@Kkidzz Ok... Doors open for a classic Joke..Though not relevant at all , You hear about that bloke who was a Dyslexic Agnostic that badly suffered insomnia? .. . . . . . . . . Stayed Awake all night , wondering if there really was a Dog.
It's like a delicious spice mix. A specific shortcut to a specific flavor. You probably don't see off-the-shelf spice mixes in a professional chef's kitchen, but you will find them in home kitchens.
I couldn’t agree more. A Professional chef doesn’t need off-the-shelf spice mixes because he knows what he doing, he doesn’t need a quick fix, he is well trained and well learn. He can take a dead tasting meal and turn it into a delicious meal. People at home can’t do that because they are not patient enough to take their time and learn it well. Most people don’t have enough time. I prefer to learn how to do something to come up with my very own style than just using or eating what everyone is using or eating.
A chef uses anything that makes his dish a hit, including an off-the-shelf spice mix. And this particular spice mix was designed by an American "Paul Bocuse". Voilà, bon appétit ! 😂
I believe it's Jaycen Joshua's Ozone 4 Preset he made famous a few years ago, but with a limiter. I copied those plugins and settings into Ozone 9 and compared it to the God Particle, it was pretty much the same vibe. EQ>Multiband Exciter>Multiband Compressor>Widener on the top end.
I have the Ozone 5 & 4 presets, it feels like the same vibe for sure but the god particle adds some fair amount of highend on default. I like the way it sounds but generally I think I will keep using the Ozones because it's what I am used to now and I have more controls with them.
If you watched jaycen Mix with the masters. He explains everything he does on the master fader. This plugin is pretty much emulating everything he does on his master fader. The reason no high frequencies are being compressed is because it's emulating a multband compressor. He usually doesn't compress high frequencies. He usually compresses the Midrange and the bass only. So you will not see meters moving at all for high frequencies.
Agree about that is the sauce kinda plugin. It is definitely not the only one plugin you need on your master bus, but as a part of chain with 50% mix or so. It works for me this way.
I like it. Already used it in a couple of tracks. The limiter is disabled of course. In small proportions makes the mix more transparent and balanced. 👍🏻
What mostly stood out for me on my hip hop/electronic songs is that it gives punchiness both to the low end (kick/808) and snare/claps (more to the face snappiness). I liked that a lot. I’m having trouble agreeing that this might be my go to mastering plugin. It will definitely save me tons of time. I’m producing for 20 years and until this day I struggle with great sound. If I can lift the curse for 99$ or less, I might just do it
I tried it out the other day and I love it. The multiband & limiter sound is nice. The post-processing power this does on my mixes gives me that same vibe of a modern pop song today. The best way i can describe it is that it gives like a serban ghenea type of sound based on his recent work lol. Its quick, easy, and $80 isn't too bad. Awesome work Jaycen, and to the people over there at Cradle 👍
For Producers this is the perfect plugin to put on your chain , Cradle just need to to release more demo videos for how to use it , so people on all levels can understand not just pros . they are asking us to just trust it because Jaycen Joshua plugin? no way that is not enough to just purchase a 80 dollar plugin.
there is no need for a demo the plugin is only that what you see volume and automatic dynamics sou people who use it will never know what is doing and its not a replacement for a mastering chain people will never get loud masters whit that what people need is to buy compressor limiter plugins whit mastering grade and the rest is eq thats how you get loudness correctly
@@valgimorais602 My dear fellow colleague, you are so wrong! It's not about a compressor or a limiter, the loudness is done in a mix, with some saturation, distortion, overdrive, clippers, tapes, etc. You can use compressors for envelope shaping but not for reducing transients, same goes for a limiter, you don't do that with a limiter. With a limiter, you can process some vocals, pads, atmospheres, and other low transient material. Drums are better processed with a clipper. Short transients are mostly in the higher freq range thus clippers are ideal for that kind of a signal.
@@RP-vq4wd @R P you missing the point im not wrong dude why do people want this plug in for loudness you wont give me lessons about it they state did he use only that plug in on is mix bus Coupled with the adaptive limiter section, you can be certain your dynamics and transients will be preserved, all while achieving competitive commercial loudness. all of those steps you talking about i get it all whit different brands and plugin suites, console one weiss ds1 mk3 kelvin unissum life line console and much more this are mixing mastering grade tools they all enable you to go there and further in terms of levels people want to use that to have louder masters and for your lesson learn did one plugin on now days is composed by many other plugins to become one sou all of them have saturation tape clipping compression limiting sou stop whit your crap you re not giving me a lesson for instance an example softube british console native on promo the same price of the god particle and it has a built in drive eq limiter compressor head room phase invert and you can mix and master a song whit that do you still wanna give lessons i know how to get loud proud and clean whit various complete tools upgrade your grade tools and if you go and buy lisa from plug in alliance you can master a track whit that dynamic eq multiband whit opto compression per band drive mono maker stereo tmt for mix and mastering just some examples teacher and dont worry i know how and when to use plugins
My initial impression listening: don’t use the limiter if you have other quality limiters with better metering. The quality of the other processing sounds nice for a specific sound. It’s a mastering preset with multiband, compression, EQ balance targets and stereo enhancement. I see the stereo enhancement as the only real problem in its “black box” format. It should have a hidden control/bypass IMO. I may check this out: I like the gluey, wide, mid forward thing it’s doing
@@nicholasriley4729 yeah, we have access to SUCH great limiters now. I didn’t like this one once it started getting pushed, it kinda fell apart quickly. But for 2bus mixing it’s not a big deal to bypass it because none of us should really be pushing a master limiter hard at that stage anyway ;)
I’ve seen a lot of mastering engineers lean toward closing the very top high end of a track instead of widening. They do it for the purpose so that highhats and other high percussion won’t get lost in a mix. Personally in my ears it makes the high end a little bit harsher opposite from pushing some stereo width thus becoming softer. Do you have any tips with messing with the stereo width in the high end ? I’d like to achieve solid highs with presence without the harshness !
@@razzerraw1108 I notice in a lot of my favorite edm tracks, the side channels have the highs rolled off and darker, which makes the main elements pop out more. I guess this is the opposite of widening the highs.
It's not snake oil. It's a useful tool for bedroom producers to learn about gain staging, OR useful for pro's who need to put out a mix quickly without thinking. Side note, probably the prettiest GUI i've seen in a long time
I like how it treats the low end, I would like them to slide all of the right side indicators to the left so I could see how far under the high indicator I am .
Take a preset chain, give it a hyperbolic name, some very jargony marketing devoid of any concrete description, and sell it as a standalone black box plugin. This is a masterclass in Snake Oil. If only it were a subscription.
@@southhour5241 It's actually very straightforward, it's about Beyonce something something... passion something something... attention to detail... being selfless while creating... algorithms... clarity...god particles.
@@prodigalretrod I see, my bad I'll watch some buzzword tutorials on youtube. I will be 80% better at understanding meaningless jargon this year i swear to God! :)
@toto mov9969 Buy this and you will get grammys too. Lots of grammys. I never actually tried it so I have no opinion on the sound, but the marketing is cringe, as is the whole concept of "artist plugins" or whatever these sorts of things are called.
Update: Jaycen Joshua confirmed there will be a hardware version in the near future. Also this pretty much sums of the plugin in my opinion after using: Limiter = similar to Pro- L2 EQ + Multiband Comp = similar to Izotope Ozone 4 (Jaycen's Settings) Amount Knob = similar to CLA Mixbus + Soothe 2 Mixing or Mastering? Both Monitors needed: Yamaha NS10's + ATC Loudspeakers Special note: this plugin was designed to add density and weight to your mix.
I used it in a track that i'm working on and it's just the spice my mixes needed. I've used it in solo tracks to make them sound better overall (it really adds weight and clean high boost to anything, drums, guitar, bass, synths...) and then in a more subtle way in the mix bus. I also used the limiter as my first limiter before ProL2 and it made the track louder than i could with 2 L2s. If you don't overdo it it's a really great plugin.
I believe Jason and his team will embrace this honest feedback for Kaizen. As an Engineer in manufacturing it’s difficult to perform a peer review without being honest based on science and experience. Finally, the GUI is amazing in my opinion definitely inspired.
I'm using the Ozone 4 preset from Jaycen from time to time, especially when I'm mixing hip hop records. The God Particle is based on his Ozone 4 sound, but then a bit improved with a warmer sound. I personally really like this plugin, the curve is really useful even for professional mixing engineers. It is a saturator, a multiband compressor and a limiter. I don't use the limiter, but I do love the glue from the multiband compressor. You shouldn't compress your highs too much (or not) when you are working with this plugin. It'll keep things nice and dynamic when your mid range is being heavily compressed. You should try this plugin on default settings, be sure your bass isn't crossing 2dB and see where you'll end up. For me this is a great plugin that is almost on every mix.
Jaycen said in a livestream that he would use God Particle in the mix bus from the beginning of a mix, on default settings, and use it as a reference and "sauce", and after that if he was sending the mix to outsource mastering he would take the limiter out. I think it's a very good mix bus saucer, you can load different curves for reference and keep it on while you make your mix, after you can take it out or leave it in.
You know, I wanted to hate this thing. The name & marketing is sooo hollywood. But Ive tried it both at the end of mixes and mixing into it and have I have to say, if nothing else, it declutters my mixbus & gets me to the finish line superbly. The thing that I really like is the perspective it gives right at the start & conjunction with a standardized gain stage across the freq spectrum. That really helps pointing the gun in the right direction early. Also, all the top guns have a version of this multiband thing going…Ive seen manny with a fabfilter MB on the bus, serban with the ml-4000, and Jaycen with this. Perfectly useful tool👌🏻
@@moscoenterprise8586 from his assistant John Hanes. Go and check out his treads over at gearspace, he gives out a lot of useful info about serban’s methods
@@wald3287 Thx for the info. I actually read some of it like a year ago when he started doing it, I guess he is still sharing new info. Also I heard Manny was using C4 (as weird as it sounds) - do you remember where you heard about him switching to fabfilter mb?
@@moscoenterprise8586 you’re right he does use the c4. I was at a mix with the masters & saw him using both actually. The fabfilter was used to massage the high mids transparently (only sometimes with super dense arrangements)
Agree with a lot of this video - it's good for people who don't know how to setup a mix buss. If you have a trash mix, this will just add a little polish to a trash mix but you still need to fix your mix. That said, I think you heard the distortion on the limiter because you were knocking off like 7-8 dbs. I'm never knocking that much off on 1 limiter. I usually will use 2-3 limiters and knock off 1-2 dis per limiter. I've been able to get a pretty loud mix -9 LUFS with the limiter not working that hard.
i found this pretty nice for rock, actually. it opens up the mix, adds harmonics, and does a decent job at adding weight to a mix. granted, i did make sure my initial levels were close to the input targets. probably not an end all solution but, as they say, “close enough for jazz”.
What it is, is a pre-master chain. The signal path is left to right, INPUT - EQ - MULTIBAND DYNAMICS (PERHAPS OTT) - TO LIMITER. By default the plugin gives you 5 db gain increase on the LIMITER And the Multiband Dynamics processor is also by default engaged. A MASTER CLASS IN PLUGIN MARKETING.
You've basically nailed how I feel about his, very gimmicky but sounds good. I do like what it does with the low end, very tailored to hip-hop and RnB and from what I know, they ARE making a Hardware Version but as like a giveaway type thing, and maybe some for his friends but I don't think it'll be commercially available as a hardware unit, would be cool if they did.
Yes, I tried it on a 2 tracks; one was alt country/folk and the other was orchestral. It basically just makes everything distorted. I can see this working on the aforementioned genres, I just don't happen to produce music in those genres.
the god particle is a beast!!! The whole thing is to mix into it and by the end of your mix... WAAALLLAAAHHH!!! Ya gotta get the pug in too feel the awesomeness!
Mastering is the most overrated process in the whole chain..... If your mix is dogshit mastering can't work wonders... But that's how it is sold... And this is really annoying....
I bought the plugin after 5 days it works really good for Trap,Hiphop,R&B,Drill and very good on the music bus with no limiter p.s The God particle with pulsar audio massive😱
I have to be honest, endorsements like this one are what makes me avoid those plugins like the plague. From my experience, producers and mixing engineers in those genres, either have no idea what they're doing, or refuse to question what they're doing (it's not like it has stopped them from making boatloads of money, since industry networking and marketing matters a lot more in the long run)
@pointpi 1900 called. They want your outdated ideas back. Honestly the only thing people should avoid like plague is ideas likes yours. If you think people who produce and mix those genres has no idea about what they do then it says more about people you hang around with rather than the genres themselves. If you don't like the plugin don't get it. No one is forcing you to get the plugin but don't be saying dumbshit like this
This has become the only plug-in I’m using aside from my hardware. It used to be Dyn one 3 but with God Particle it gets me the results I want faster than anything else I’ve tried. Best $80 I’ve ever spent
THANK YOU for this comment! Not sure why theirs so much hate....I feel like most the hate comes from people who haven't even been making music for a decades time so they simply don't understand what its doing "under the hood" and just quick to call it "snake oil"
@@EliteOnTheBeat exactly! I honestly didn’t want to like it because Jaycen acted like a snob to me before on Instagram lol but I’m never biased with products. In my first experience trying it, I did an instrumental mix with one of my favorite hardware chains… API 5500>Blackbox>tla100>crane song STC8 and got a great mix in about 10 minutes. Then I took the dry instrumental, slapped God Particle on it , turned a few knobs and got a better sound in literally 10 seconds. That alone told me it was well worth the $80. I was kind of upset at first that an $80 plug-in beat the 20k hardware chain I worked so hard for but I think they designed to not think about music and just get a quick sound by feeling and that’s pretty how I always try to create. The simple interface and minimalist layout is perfect for quick results especially when you want to just get a nice export. I don’t think it will permanently replace hardware of mine but I find myself reaching for it lately just for its ease of use.
Yep, I think that Slate's VMR, while double the price, is worth it. One can get similar sauce/saturation and wideness, while having more control over the eq and compression and have better limiting.
I agree, it does add a nice sauce and if you want a quick master to send out it is pretty nice, but I would not use the limiter and prefer to add sonible's smart limiter at the end. The sauve I like is the specific way the harmonics are added...
I've been scrolling for over 10 minutes trying to find this exact comment. THIS is exactly what i plan on doing. Leaving the limiter off and slapping my SmartLimiter at the very end.
I don't feel its snake oil, but I do feel that you're better off just learning to use the base components otherwise it turns into paint by numbers and then you never really build up the experience which will help you in the end go even further.
Jason states that hitting the top end depends on if you want a bright mix or a warm mix. Also this is not for mastering its just for mixdown before mastering. He only uses the limiter to see how it would hold up when mastered. Great video!!!
I actually like the limiter. Seems to be distorting less than the limiters I have (Slate, Fabfilter). But many people are saying that it distorts heavily.. interesting
As I like Jaycen's mixes and as I followed the plugin developpement through his socials (he started teasing it 1.5 years ago I think), this was an instant demo for me. And well, I can safely say that after thoroughly testing it, feeding it multiple types of materials... that this is one of the most useless pieces of junk I have ever installed on my computer. And I've installed MAAT FiDef. It's just a mediocre multiband processor preset, with a very restricted amount of control.
To be fair to the limiter, I can’t get my softube weiss much further than -6 db reduction without audible distortion. According to the meters, if reduction was in db’s, you were hitting -8 or more when distorting. Would like to see what kind of LUFS you were pushing on the output when it was distorting, and how that compares to other limiters. I love how you harp on plugin companies for not doing a true auto gain or having no output gain. I find it very annoying too. However, you complained about their demo not gain compensating the limiter, and then you literally did the same thing in your review… you never did a gain matched bypass, which would’ve been helpful. Really it’d be nice if you did that for EVERY plugin review. I understand the audio gets compressed to a smaller, less quality format than wav 44.1 when uploaded to YT but I can still tell a difference with most plugins when A/B’d with gain matching.
It sounds really good IMO. A bit of a "fairy dust" plugin where you can't really control everything that's going on but let's be honest, even with hardware, there's no "science" to what ratio or what attack sounds good on a full mix. There's just turning the knobs and feeling if it adds anything. And here it can add a lot depending on the material!
I mixed into it on three separate projects. I still didn’t like it. It’s only good at one specific thing. I can get that sound myself. I don’t need this plugin to do it for me.
@@aerov2484 Yes, I do anyway. I use a combination of things but most of it comes from the master buss processing I use when mixing. I top-down mix so I mix into a few things. Boost, tape and other types of saturation, master buss compression, clipping, Gullfoss, and Soothe 2 are what I use to get my "sound". This is in conjunction with the processing on the tracks but the master buss processing is the sweetener if that makes sense. I do use hardware as well but mostly on the individual tracks.
@@EliteOnTheBeat Yes, I agree if you are a beginner that practice is the only thing that will make you consistently better. You may get lucky a few times but to do it consistently across many genres takes years and years of practice. At least it did for me.
This plugin is definitely Snake oil. Every knowledgeable engineer picked up on the distortion. It also causes really bad aliasing, can’t properly gain stage. I’m getting tired of these one stop plugins that does everything.
As a producer, this is a gold plugin on the master. I don't need to use OZ9 because it's too CPU intense and causes latency which makes the workflow with artists really good.
Once again a wonderfull video Wytze. Always been a big fan of the snake oil videos and I always find them interesting, even when its not even about plugins I'm interested in. :D Was wondering if you would do a Snake Oil video, on the new SPACE CONTROL stereo widening plugin by Hardwell?.
Dope review! I have this plug in on my master chain and the master sounded amazing until I bounced it out and saw the wav was squashed and distorted so now I have to play around with it😂
Love your videos. I think you hit it on the head. This plug in is not specifically aimed towards professional mix and mastering engineers. It’s for people who don't have that skill or the money to have it done by a professional, but need to sound as close to a professional master as possible. Like me 😂 It’s 2024 and there’s a bazillion beatmakers and bedroom producers out there trying to blow up on spotify.
If you wanna use this type of plugin alone to get your mix to -8lufs without distortion you must be crazy. It's cool to get some solid loudness out of it before you go to the the -8. Remember that the distortion on the bass comes most of the times from the release of the limiter.
You do good reviews however this isn’t one of them. Your comparison wasn’t level matched (even tho you complained about them not level matching on the website). You complained about the distortion after pushing the limiter to levels that in most cases you wouldn’t when mastering. You did make some good points however these were a miss.
But how do you know whether he gain staged his comparison or not? This video never shows him controlling any levels for you to conclude that. Also, what if all of his mixing is in the box? Then he doesn't need to gain stage. And, finally, he's likely playing a two track, so why would you gain stage a two track? In fact, I don't even think you can gain stage a two track.
@@Bagheera_Smoov my bad I meant level matching. And it’s easy to tell that he isn’t matching the levels cause he literally just cranks the limiter up without compensating for volume change.
It's a sexy plugin for sure, but after watching this, I have no need for it as well. I wouldn't want a limiter that adds more saturation when I'm using analog emulating plugins and tape machine plugins on my mix. This would be overkill. Plus it seems the limiter appears to be too aggressive. This is Jaycen Joshua's version of CLA mixdown is what it seems like, but on steroids.
If you're not mixing into it, you're basically ending thousands of carefully crafted mix decisions with one big ass random decision via something you've no idea what it's actually doing to your mix. But if you mix into it, it will constantly shape shift and change your sound. So the conclusion is fairly straightforward, and thats coming from Jaycen J's biggest fan: skip on it
was waiting for this 🙏🏾 i tried it but also started using the ozone 9 🤷🏾♂️ god particle with a clipper instead of the limiter 🤷🏾♂️ but i may have to purchase is to play around with it
This plugin is meant to sit on your 2bus and to mix into it. Joshua is a mix engineer not a mastering engineer. This plugin simply recreates his analogue chain on his 2bus. This is not meant for mastering although I’m sure some will use it as such.
IMHO, the plugin would serve a better purpose if any Sandstorm-based track was not fully mixed prior to mastering, or using its numerous mastered versions. Similar to most A.I. based plugins, it is best to utilize the A.I. functions when setting the overall frequency spectrum balance with no EQ and all faders at Unity. Otherwise, this plugin serves no purpose in general if the track is already mixed, including fixing frequency masking, frequency overlaps, frequency clashes, and overall balance across the entire production (arrangement) and frequency spectrum. It sounds like to me it is best not to use this plugin if the session sample rate is 44.1 due to aliasing distortion. It would have been interesting to see the overall default frequency curve within a spectrum analyzer, such as Bertom, SPAN, or Plugin Doctor when increasing its "sauce" and other parameters. It would be interesting to see where the saturation begins within the low, mid, and high knobs without a sine wave. When listening, it appears the "sauce" focuses more on the mids than any other frequency. Even though, the best kept secret is the mid-range. With that said, I find it is best to use this plugin on separate tracks, yet why purchase this plugin when there are a plethora of plugins that are better in general and overall? 2 A.I. plugins that comes to mind immediately are Sonible's Smart::EQ, Smart::Limit, and Soundtheory Gullfoss EQ.
Snake oil. Just another ‘mastering solution/loudnessmaker’ while the musicworld - especially the home & bedproducers need to know that if the mixdown isn’t good, no shiny trickling ‘hardware-looking’ (but really looking like a fancy bouncing ball) masterplugin featured by a highly respected sound engineer is going to magically fix it & make it loud. I am not impressed.
@@johnisrael5183 the Weiss DS1-Mk3 froms Softube - which is a 1 on 1 clone of the software of the real deal(digital limiter) is at the shared top with Pro-L imho.
Running an already mixed track through it isn't the way to go about this plugin. First thing, normally the limiter is set a +5db gain when you open it, I'm not sure why yours was at zero, or maybe you turned it down to zero ? Anyway, the limiter is supposed to be a +5db. Why ? Because when you hit all the "targets" meaning the input level and the Multiband reduction amount, you can safely apply 5db of gain at the end before even touching the limiter's threshold, which in this case is 0dbfs. So you have the option to limit more if you'd like, but again, that's outside of the scope of what this plugin was designed for. If you don't have enough LUFS and you want to limit the master more, it's because you probably have to fix something prior to hitting the master. When you open it first thing on your mix buss, it's super fast to know what is happening in your mix. And most importantly, Jaycen explains that he leaves the plugin as is and again does any adjustments inside the mix in order to hit The God Particle JUST right which would mean that he has achieved the perfect EQ curve, levels and dynamic range for his taste. That's they key to this product, Jaycen isn't selling a plugin, he's selling his taste, and how his taste has shaped the sound of commercial music for the past 10 years. It's definitely a MIXING tool tho, not a mastering tool. One last important thing about it is, when you bypass The God Particle, your mix doesn't fall appart. It's not as loud, it doesn't have the sauce, but all the work you've done and all the levels you have set, are still valid and relevant. As a producer who always has to deliver "finished" sounding demos while in the process of still writing and arranging pop/radio music, this product came as, no pun intented, a god send.
respect to your workflow and how you use it, but if you have to mix into the thing "just right" to get it to sound good then why not just mix like normal and put your own sauce on the mix bus? I have a pretty set mix bus for production, settings change but its about 8 plugins and 1 hardware that are always in rotation depending on the song and that's my sound. -10LUFS and not slammed either. This plugin sounds good, might even buy it myself, but if I gotta constant go through and change the mix I love for the plugin to work then its never going to get used.
@@qlyde You don't have to go through constant changes in the mix to make the plugin sound good. It is designed to sound even better if your mix sounds good in the first place. So you have to go through constant changes in the mix to make your mix good, not to make the plugin work properly. And like I said in my previous comment, this plugin isn't supposed to make you "sound" like you, it's supposed to make you sound like him. And when I say "sound like" I mean on a more technical level like modern loudness, modern EQ curves and modern Multiband squeeze. I like dynamic mixes with loads of space, my sweet spot is 1979 until 1983, if I wanted to sound like me, that's how I'd mix, but I work in a very standardised field which is pop music, and I just can't mix like in 1979 so in order to make a bold production choice go down the labels throat, I have to present it with modern sonics in order for them to accept it. And this plugin gives me the guidelines to achieve those modern sonics without asking myself too many questions. As a matter of fact my chain was Black Box Design into McDSP MC303 into MaxWarm into Amek EQ200 into Ampex Tape Machine into Newsfangled Saturator into FabFilter ProL2. Now it's just this... Also this achieves competitive levels with 5ms of latency, which if I want to replay a piano part or something, comes in very VERY handy...
Looks like another OTT clone like Xfer OTT and Slate Digital MO-TT. Same three-band compression. Same knobs. Same visual feedback. Similar sound with the umpleasant distortion if you overdo it.
I may well be over-thinking this, but has anyone got any idea why the EQ band targets are not in the centre of each scale? I've been thinking about this ever since I started demo-ing it and I can't think of any useful reason why they made this decision lol? It's like designing a dart-board with the bullseye on the far edge? 😂🤣 Nice plugin though, the CPU power required is fairly negligible on my system which in itself is quite the achievement considering the amount of CPU required for similar plugins like Greg Wells' Mixcentric or Kush Blyss.
it reminded me in a way to Waves’ Mixcentric plugin. however, i feel The God Particle has a more modern, warmer sound. i love it, it instantly takes my mixes closer to finish line with minimal effort. one of the best plugins i’ve bought. …even if it might just be an Ozone preset replica, it sounds awesome lol
OTT has more controls and highs gets compressed vs this one! All videos I saw about it no one showed highs compressed! Maybe programmers forgot to get hight compressor activated!😂maybe a glitch, most of the time mids and a bit lows gets compressed..
1. not snake oil IMO. 2. great video as usual...thank you! 3. great song/mix as usual...THANK YOU! 4. I agree with most of your feedback...not the biggest fan of the limiter either. and I'd personally like there to be some sort of "advanced" or "guru" button that gave access to some other features (e.g. oversampling, frequency selection on the EQ, mid/side options, add'l metering like you mentioned). it could certainly help with the adoption rate of the plugin...novices and pros alike. 5. GUI seems to be inspired by Bettermaker. but all that said, at the price point, I really dig it. I've added it onto an already approved master as well as mixed through it and it can add value in both scenarios. I've also been using it different spots besides the mix bus (like on groups at the end of my chain...drums, instruments, background vocals, directly on bass, etc.) for some add'l "sauce" and I think the cumulative effect is really useful. will it replace my entire mix bus chain? not even close. and just like some of the other tools we all use, it may not be the right tool for EVERY scenario. but it will definitely see some playing time next to some of my favorite mix bus tools...it's a cool enhancement type of plugin at a fair price.
is there a version for atheists?
There's a cutdown version for Agnostics.
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@@Kkidzz Ok...
Doors open for a classic Joke..Though not relevant at all ,
You hear about that bloke who was a Dyslexic Agnostic that badly suffered insomnia?
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Stayed Awake all night , wondering if there really was a Dog.
No, because this product exists.
@@harp_attack GOLD!
It's like a delicious spice mix. A specific shortcut to a specific flavor. You probably don't see off-the-shelf spice mixes in a professional chef's kitchen, but you will find them in home kitchens.
Damn, well said man..
I couldn’t agree more. A Professional chef doesn’t need off-the-shelf spice mixes because he knows what he doing, he doesn’t need a quick fix, he is well trained and well learn. He can take a dead tasting meal and turn it into a delicious meal. People at home can’t do that because they are not patient enough to take their time and learn it well. Most people don’t have enough time. I prefer to learn how to do something to come up with my very own style than just using or eating what everyone is using or eating.
A chef uses anything that makes his dish a hit, including an off-the-shelf spice mix. And this particular spice mix was designed by an American "Paul Bocuse". Voilà, bon appétit ! 😂
perfectly said
umm, if jaycen joshua uses it, that means even the most professionals can use it
I believe it's Jaycen Joshua's Ozone 4 Preset he made famous a few years ago, but with a limiter. I copied those plugins and settings into Ozone 9 and compared it to the God Particle, it was pretty much the same vibe. EQ>Multiband Exciter>Multiband Compressor>Widener on the top end.
I have the Ozone 5 & 4 presets, it feels like the same vibe for sure but the god particle adds some fair amount of highend on default. I like the way it sounds but generally I think I will keep using the Ozones because it's what I am used to now and I have more controls with them.
Could I get the ozone 9 preset, pls
Also probably the soft clipper from his lavry
@@kosiokoli7856 I 2nd this, I'd love to check out what your talking about there.
I found the preset for ozone 9 here 2probeats.com/product/2projjozone9/
If you watched jaycen Mix with the masters. He explains everything he does on the master fader. This plugin is pretty much emulating everything he does on his master fader. The reason no high frequencies are being compressed is because it's emulating a multband compressor. He usually doesn't compress high frequencies. He usually compresses the Midrange and the bass only. So you will not see meters moving at all for high frequencies.
"plugin to spend money on instead of learning how to mix and master" episode 70000
😂😂😂
Agree about that is the sauce kinda plugin. It is definitely not the only one plugin you need on your master bus, but as a part of chain with 50% mix or so. It works for me this way.
I love how you have some great rational POV on every plugins!
I like it. Already used it in a couple of tracks. The limiter is disabled of course. In small proportions makes the mix more transparent and balanced. 👍🏻
Sounds like what Gullfoss does, a spectral multi band compressor/expander.
@@kalidesu NOT even close. YOU clearly don't know what you're talking about. lol. 🤦♂️
Bought it and love it. Not sure what's happening, but the dimensionality is wider and deeper. Makes guitar buss come alive...
Oooohhhh i was waiting for this so bad! You were literally the first person i thought of when i saw that plugin ☺️
What mostly stood out for me on my hip hop/electronic songs is that it gives punchiness both to the low end (kick/808) and snare/claps (more to the face snappiness). I liked that a lot.
I’m having trouble agreeing that this might be my go to mastering plugin.
It will definitely save me tons of time.
I’m producing for 20 years and until this day I struggle with great sound.
If I can lift the curse for 99$ or less, I might just do it
it is NOT a mastering pluginl, dude...
I tried it out the other day and I love it. The multiband & limiter sound is nice. The post-processing power this does on my mixes gives me that same vibe of a modern pop song today. The best way i can describe it is that it gives like a serban ghenea type of sound based on his recent work lol. Its quick, easy, and $80 isn't too bad. Awesome work Jaycen, and to the people over there at Cradle 👍
For Producers this is the perfect plugin to put on your chain , Cradle just need to to release more demo videos for how to use it , so people on all levels can understand not just pros . they are asking us to just trust it because Jaycen Joshua plugin? no way that is not enough to just purchase a 80 dollar plugin.
there is no need for a demo the plugin is only that what you see volume and automatic dynamics sou people who use it will never know what is doing and its not a replacement for a mastering chain people will never get loud masters whit that what people need is to buy compressor limiter plugins whit mastering grade and the rest is eq thats how you get loudness correctly
@@valgimorais602 My dear fellow colleague, you are so wrong! It's not about a compressor or a limiter, the loudness is done in a mix, with some saturation, distortion, overdrive, clippers, tapes, etc. You can use compressors for envelope shaping but not for reducing transients, same goes for a limiter, you don't do that with a limiter. With a limiter, you can process some vocals, pads, atmospheres, and other low transient material. Drums are better processed with a clipper. Short transients are mostly in the higher freq range thus clippers are ideal for that kind of a signal.
@@RP-vq4wd So what is this thing a clipper, limiter or compresso?
@@RP-vq4wd @R P you missing the point im not wrong dude why do people want this plug in for loudness you wont give me lessons about it they state did he use only that plug in on is mix bus Coupled with the adaptive limiter section, you can be certain your dynamics and transients will be preserved, all while achieving competitive commercial loudness. all of those steps you talking about i get it all whit different brands and plugin suites, console one weiss ds1 mk3 kelvin unissum life line console and much more this are mixing mastering grade tools they all enable you to go there and further in terms of levels people want to use that to have louder masters and for your lesson learn did one plugin on now days is composed by many other plugins to become one sou all of them have saturation tape clipping compression limiting sou stop whit your crap you re not giving me a lesson for instance an example softube british console native on promo the same price of the god particle and it has a built in drive eq limiter compressor head room phase invert and you can mix and master a song whit that do you still wanna give lessons i know how to get loud proud and clean whit various complete tools upgrade your grade tools and if you go and buy lisa from plug in alliance you can master a track whit that dynamic eq multiband whit opto compression per band drive mono maker stereo tmt for mix and mastering just some examples teacher and dont worry i know how and when to use plugins
@@shinji1264 It's a bunch of things automated together, mostly borrowed/stolen from ozone.
I love this plugin. Best plugin I have purchased in the last 8 years.
Love the track in this video, it sure made the plugin look, or should I say sound good.
Yeah it's lovely, Sunny Days by Adelyn Paik. The plugin doesn't seem bad too :)
The music in this episode is particularly good
It's Sandstorm by Darude.
@@haslo_ 😂
I would like to know the name
I really love this plugin, It gets really loud without being harsh, and if you have a good mix going into it, you can get to really nice levels
My initial impression listening: don’t use the limiter if you have other quality limiters with better metering. The quality of the other processing sounds nice for a specific sound. It’s a mastering preset with multiband, compression, EQ balance targets and stereo enhancement. I see the stereo enhancement as the only real problem in its “black box” format. It should have a hidden control/bypass IMO. I may check this out: I like the gluey, wide, mid forward thing it’s doing
100%!! These were also my initial thoughts. Something like Pro-L2 or Elevate/other high quality limiters and clippers would be more beneficial.
@@nicholasriley4729 yeah, we have access to SUCH great limiters now. I didn’t like this one once it started getting pushed, it kinda fell apart quickly. But for 2bus mixing it’s not a big deal to bypass it because none of us should really be pushing a master limiter hard at that stage anyway ;)
I’ve seen a lot of mastering engineers lean toward closing the very top high end of a track instead of widening. They do it for the purpose so that highhats and other high percussion won’t get lost in a mix. Personally in my ears it makes the high end a little bit harsher opposite from pushing some stereo width thus becoming softer. Do you have any tips with messing with the stereo width in the high end ? I’d like to achieve solid highs with presence without the harshness !
@@razzerraw1108 I notice in a lot of my favorite edm tracks, the side channels have the highs rolled off and darker, which makes the main elements pop out more. I guess this is the opposite of widening the highs.
@@gulagwarlord oh nice, I noticed that in Virtual Riots productions as well if you listen to him
It's not snake oil. It's a useful tool for bedroom producers to learn about gain staging, OR useful for pro's who need to put out a mix quickly without thinking.
Side note, probably the prettiest GUI i've seen in a long time
Amazing and exciting. Now all the worlds music can sound EVEN MORE the same than ever before.
I like how it treats the low end, I would like them to slide all of the right side indicators to the left so I could see how far under the high indicator I am .
Take a preset chain, give it a hyperbolic name, some very jargony marketing devoid of any concrete description, and sell it as a standalone black box plugin. This is a masterclass in Snake Oil. If only it were a subscription.
I thought I was the only one, I watched the add and some tutorials and not one person clearly defined what it's for.
@@southhour5241 It's actually very straightforward, it's about Beyonce something something... passion something something... attention to detail... being selfless while creating... algorithms... clarity...god particles.
@@prodigalretrod I see, my bad I'll watch some buzzword tutorials on youtube. I will be 80% better at understanding meaningless jargon this year i swear to God! :)
@toto mov9969 Buy this and you will get grammys too. Lots of grammys. I never actually tried it so I have no opinion on the sound, but the marketing is cringe, as is the whole concept of "artist plugins" or whatever these sorts of things are called.
Wow, I actually like the sound... didn't expect that. I would love to know a bit more about what it's doing under the hood though.
Update: Jaycen Joshua confirmed there will be a hardware version in the near future.
Also this pretty much sums of the plugin in my opinion after using:
Limiter = similar to Pro- L2
EQ + Multiband Comp = similar to Izotope Ozone 4 (Jaycen's Settings)
Amount Knob = similar to CLA Mixbus + Soothe 2
Mixing or Mastering? Both
Monitors needed: Yamaha NS10's + ATC Loudspeakers
Special note: this plugin was designed to add density and weight to your mix.
I used it in a track that i'm working on and it's just the spice my mixes needed. I've used it in solo tracks to make them sound better overall (it really adds weight and clean high boost to anything, drums, guitar, bass, synths...) and then in a more subtle way in the mix bus. I also used the limiter as my first limiter before ProL2 and it made the track louder than i could with 2 L2s. If you don't overdo it it's a really great plugin.
Who pays for your comment 😂🤣😂
@@a-gain9043 who pays you to say that those are paid comments ?
I believe Jason and his team will embrace this honest feedback for Kaizen. As an Engineer in manufacturing it’s difficult to perform a peer review without being honest based on science and experience. Finally, the GUI is amazing in my opinion definitely inspired.
I'm using the Ozone 4 preset from Jaycen from time to time, especially when I'm mixing hip hop records. The God Particle is based on his Ozone 4 sound, but then a bit improved with a warmer sound. I personally really like this plugin, the curve is really useful even for professional mixing engineers. It is a saturator, a multiband compressor and a limiter. I don't use the limiter, but I do love the glue from the multiband compressor. You shouldn't compress your highs too much (or not) when you are working with this plugin. It'll keep things nice and dynamic when your mid range is being heavily compressed. You should try this plugin on default settings, be sure your bass isn't crossing 2dB and see where you'll end up. For me this is a great plugin that is almost on every mix.
Jaycen said in a livestream that he would use God Particle in the mix bus from the beginning of a mix, on default settings, and use it as a reference and "sauce", and after that if he was sending the mix to outsource mastering he would take the limiter out.
I think it's a very good mix bus saucer, you can load different curves for reference and keep it on while you make your mix, after you can take it out or leave it in.
lmao why you lying you cant load nothing
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Another paid comment 😂😅🤣
Not paid, I was just dumb. @@a-gain9043
The UI looks amazing ❤
You know, I wanted to hate this thing. The name & marketing is sooo hollywood. But Ive tried it both at the end of mixes and mixing into it and have I have to say, if nothing else, it declutters my mixbus & gets me to the finish line superbly. The thing that I really like is the perspective it gives right at the start & conjunction with a standardized gain stage across the freq spectrum. That really helps pointing the gun in the right direction early. Also, all the top guns have a version of this multiband thing going…Ive seen manny with a fabfilter MB on the bus, serban with the ml-4000, and Jaycen with this. Perfectly useful tool👌🏻
Where did you get the info on Serban using ml-4000 ?
@@moscoenterprise8586 from his assistant John Hanes. Go and check out his treads over at gearspace, he gives out a lot of useful info about serban’s methods
@@wald3287 Thx for the info. I actually read some of it like a year ago when he started doing it, I guess he is still sharing new info. Also I heard Manny was using C4 (as weird as it sounds) - do you remember where you heard about him switching to fabfilter mb?
@@moscoenterprise8586 you’re right he does use the c4. I was at a mix with the masters & saw him using both actually. The fabfilter was used to massage the high mids transparently (only sometimes with super dense arrangements)
@@wald3287 that’s great! I envy you in a good way) & thx for confirmation
I like the track from the 4:30 mark. That’s my kind of music
Agree with a lot of this video - it's good for people who don't know how to setup a mix buss. If you have a trash mix, this will just add a little polish to a trash mix but you still need to fix your mix. That said, I think you heard the distortion on the limiter because you were knocking off like 7-8 dbs. I'm never knocking that much off on 1 limiter. I usually will use 2-3 limiters and knock off 1-2 dis per limiter. I've been able to get a pretty loud mix -9 LUFS with the limiter not working that hard.
"Let's see how far we get" - Immediately turns off the Limiter.... 😥
i found this pretty nice for rock, actually. it opens up the mix, adds harmonics, and does a decent job at adding weight to a mix. granted, i did make sure my initial levels were close to the input targets. probably not an end all solution but, as they say, “close enough for jazz”.
Close enough for government work
@@Gabeconstantinemusic HAHAHAHAHAHA that's a good one fr
What it is, is a pre-master chain. The signal path is left to right, INPUT - EQ - MULTIBAND DYNAMICS (PERHAPS OTT) - TO LIMITER.
By default the plugin gives you 5 db gain increase on the LIMITER
And the Multiband Dynamics processor is also by default engaged.
A MASTER CLASS IN PLUGIN MARKETING.
You've basically nailed how I feel about his, very gimmicky but sounds good. I do like what it does with the low end, very tailored to hip-hop and RnB and from what I know, they ARE making a Hardware Version but as like a giveaway type thing, and maybe some for his friends but I don't think it'll be commercially available as a hardware unit, would be cool if they did.
Yes, I tried it on a 2 tracks; one was alt country/folk and the other was orchestral. It basically just makes everything distorted. I can see this working on the aforementioned genres, I just don't happen to produce music in those genres.
the god particle is a beast!!! The whole thing is to mix into it and by the end of your mix... WAAALLLAAAHHH!!! Ya gotta get the pug in too feel the awesomeness!
Remember: When you say "Mastering is not difficult..whe are done", 50% of the younger Generation don't get that's irony ;-)
Right, but they can't hear you because their ears are cooked from mixing on plugins like this.
Mastering is the most overrated process in the whole chain..... If your mix is dogshit mastering can't work wonders... But that's how it is sold... And this is really annoying....
Proof you're trying to hog it all for yourselves lol
Lol
I bought the plugin after 5 days it works really good for Trap,Hiphop,R&B,Drill and very good on the music bus with no limiter p.s The God particle with pulsar audio massive😱
I have to be honest, endorsements like this one are what makes me avoid those plugins like the plague. From my experience, producers and mixing engineers in those genres, either have no idea what they're doing, or refuse to question what they're doing (it's not like it has stopped them from making boatloads of money, since industry networking and marketing matters a lot more in the long run)
@pointpi 1900 called. They want your outdated ideas back. Honestly the only thing people should avoid like plague is ideas likes yours. If you think people who produce and mix those genres has no idea about what they do then it says more about people you hang around with rather than the genres themselves. If you don't like the plugin don't get it. No one is forcing you to get the plugin but don't be saying dumbshit like this
This has become the only plug-in I’m using aside from my hardware. It used to be Dyn one 3 but with God Particle it gets me the results I want faster than anything else I’ve tried. Best $80 I’ve ever spent
THANK YOU for this comment! Not sure why theirs so much hate....I feel like most the hate comes from people who haven't even been making music for a decades time so they simply don't understand what its doing "under the hood" and just quick to call it "snake oil"
@@EliteOnTheBeat exactly! I honestly didn’t want to like it because Jaycen acted like a snob to me before on Instagram lol but I’m never biased with products. In my first experience trying it, I did an instrumental mix with one of my favorite hardware chains… API 5500>Blackbox>tla100>crane song STC8 and got a great mix in about 10 minutes. Then I took the dry instrumental, slapped God Particle on it , turned a few knobs and got a better sound in literally 10 seconds. That alone told me it was well worth the $80. I was kind of upset at first that an $80 plug-in beat the 20k hardware chain I worked so hard for but I think they designed to not think about music and just get a quick sound by feeling and that’s pretty how I always try to create. The simple interface and minimalist layout is perfect for quick results especially when you want to just get a nice export. I don’t think it will permanently replace hardware of mine but I find myself reaching for it lately just for its ease of use.
Facts..Definitely one of the best plugins I bought in a long time
Captain here: track is called Sandstorm by Darude
This has to be most soulful version of sandstorm ever.😄 What a beautiful track!
Yep, I think that Slate's VMR, while double the price, is worth it. One can get similar sauce/saturation and wideness, while having more control over the eq and compression and have better limiting.
I tried it out, liked it a lot but ended up going for the Waves Abbey Road which I think gives more flexibility.
Song: Sunny Days by Adelyn Paik
Man,, how do you record and mix such beautiful back vocals? The reverb, the paning, the stereo image, im wowed!
you ask a question & answer it all in the same comment. amazing
Nice take thanks!
Sorry I could not pay attention to TGP because your mic sounds so DANG GOOD wow, I want that mic...
I agree, it does add a nice sauce and if you want a quick master to send out it is pretty nice, but I would not use the limiter and prefer to add sonible's smart limiter at the end. The sauve I like is the specific way the harmonics are added...
I've been scrolling for over 10 minutes trying to find this exact comment. THIS is exactly what i plan on doing. Leaving the limiter off and slapping my SmartLimiter at the very end.
I don't feel its snake oil, but I do feel that you're better off just learning to use the base components otherwise it turns into paint by numbers and then you never really build up the experience which will help you in the end go even further.
Jason states that hitting the top end depends on if you want a bright mix or a warm mix. Also this is not for mastering its just for mixdown before mastering. He only uses the limiter to see how it would hold up when mastered. Great video!!!
Jaycen mentioned the 'high' multi band reading is basically broken, to be fixed
The song you used to demo the plugin made me forget that we are reviewing a plugin
I actually watched the video twice, just to hear the song again.
I actually like the limiter. Seems to be distorting less than the limiters I have (Slate, Fabfilter). But many people are saying that it distorts heavily.. interesting
Same here, maybe that's because this demo is applying the limiter into an already limited song
As I like Jaycen's mixes and as I followed the plugin developpement through his socials (he started teasing it 1.5 years ago I think), this was an instant demo for me. And well, I can safely say that after thoroughly testing it, feeding it multiple types of materials... that this is one of the most useless pieces of junk I have ever installed on my computer. And I've installed MAAT FiDef.
It's just a mediocre multiband processor preset, with a very restricted amount of control.
The limiter distortion was horrendous vs Pro L2 and Ozone etc.
To be fair to the limiter, I can’t get my softube weiss much further than -6 db reduction without audible distortion. According to the meters, if reduction was in db’s, you were hitting -8 or more when distorting. Would like to see what kind of LUFS you were pushing on the output when it was distorting, and how that compares to other limiters.
I love how you harp on plugin companies for not doing a true auto gain or having no output gain. I find it very annoying too. However, you complained about their demo not gain compensating the limiter, and then you literally did the same thing in your review… you never did a gain matched bypass, which would’ve been helpful. Really it’d be nice if you did that for EVERY plugin review. I understand the audio gets compressed to a smaller, less quality format than wav 44.1 when uploaded to YT but I can still tell a difference with most plugins when A/B’d with gain matching.
Best comment. Exactly what I was thinking
Do you really still chase loudness with a limiter or a compressor? JFC
Exactly! I was looking for the same thing.
@@RP-vq4wd how do you push loudness?
@@1chaft Look into soft clippers
It sounds really good IMO. A bit of a "fairy dust" plugin where you can't really control everything that's going on but let's be honest, even with hardware, there's no "science" to what ratio or what attack sounds good on a full mix. There's just turning the knobs and feeling if it adds anything. And here it can add a lot depending on the material!
Seems like a lot of people don’t know that you’re supposed to mix into it.
I mixed into it on three separate projects. I still didn’t like it. It’s only good at one specific thing. I can get that sound myself. I don’t need this plugin to do it for me.
@@matt_nyc_audioengineer what do you achieve that sound with ? Other plugins ?
@@matt_nyc_audioengineer No matter what hardware/software you buy if your a mid mixer nothing can help you but practice.....
@@aerov2484 Yes, I do anyway. I use a combination of things but most of it comes from the master buss processing I use when mixing. I top-down mix so I mix into a few things. Boost, tape and other types of saturation, master buss compression, clipping, Gullfoss, and Soothe 2 are what I use to get my "sound". This is in conjunction with the processing on the tracks but the master buss processing is the sweetener if that makes sense.
I do use hardware as well but mostly on the individual tracks.
@@EliteOnTheBeat Yes, I agree if you are a beginner that practice is the only thing that will make you consistently better. You may get lucky a few times but to do it consistently across many genres takes years and years of practice. At least it did for me.
This plugin is definitely Snake oil. Every knowledgeable engineer picked up on the distortion. It also causes really bad aliasing, can’t properly gain stage. I’m getting tired of these one stop plugins that does everything.
How is it snake oil if it sounds good. it no review on youtube that down plays this plugin , its just the lack of information for users
I totally agree is definitely snake oil 🛢 🪱
Turn off limiter and there is no more aliasing
@@24Jaykid he’s devoid of ears that’s why he has to rely on other ears
I like this plug in, works great for me.
As a producer, this is a gold plugin on the master. I don't need to use OZ9 because it's too CPU intense and causes latency which makes the workflow with artists really good.
why you would use oz9 on your mixes anyway?
lol I was also waiting for this review! Apparently the uninstaller doesn't work very well.
I use it as a part of my mastering chain… I definitely use my clarity meter. I love how it sounds.
Once again a wonderfull video Wytze. Always been a big fan of the snake oil videos and I always find them interesting, even when its not even about plugins I'm interested in. :D
Was wondering if you would do a Snake Oil video, on the new SPACE CONTROL stereo widening plugin by Hardwell?.
Dope review! I have this plug in on my master chain and the master sounded amazing until I bounced it out and saw the wav was squashed and distorted so now I have to play around with it😂
Did you leave it at 100% or mess with it more
Love your videos. I think you hit it on the head. This plug in is not specifically aimed towards professional mix and mastering engineers. It’s for people who don't have that skill or the money to have it done by a professional, but need to sound as close to a professional master as possible. Like me 😂 It’s 2024 and there’s a bazillion beatmakers and bedroom producers out there trying to blow up on spotify.
If you wanna use this type of plugin alone to get your mix to -8lufs without distortion you must be crazy. It's cool to get some solid loudness out of it before you go to the the -8. Remember that the distortion on the bass comes most of the times from the release of the limiter.
You do good reviews however this isn’t one of them. Your comparison wasn’t level matched (even tho you complained about them not level matching on the website). You complained about the distortion after pushing the limiter to levels that in most cases you wouldn’t when mastering. You did make some good points however these were a miss.
But how do you know whether he gain staged his comparison or not? This video never shows him controlling any levels for you to conclude that. Also, what if all of his mixing is in the box? Then he doesn't need to gain stage. And, finally, he's likely playing a two track, so why would you gain stage a two track? In fact, I don't even think you can gain stage a two track.
@@Bagheera_Smoov my bad I meant level matching. And it’s easy to tell that he isn’t matching the levels cause he literally just cranks the limiter up without compensating for volume change.
It's a sexy plugin for sure, but after watching this, I have no need for it as well. I wouldn't want a limiter that adds more saturation when I'm using analog emulating plugins and tape machine plugins on my mix. This would be overkill. Plus it seems the limiter appears to be too aggressive. This is Jaycen Joshua's version of CLA mixdown is what it seems like, but on steroids.
The song you mastered is dope!
Isn't it simply perfect for the light effects - who cares about sound? We only need to find a way to present this to our listeners;-)
If you're not mixing into it, you're basically ending thousands of carefully crafted mix decisions with one big ass random decision via something you've no idea what it's actually doing to your mix. But if you mix into it, it will constantly shape shift and change your sound. So the conclusion is fairly straightforward, and thats coming from Jaycen J's biggest fan: skip on it
It's some bullsh#+ ?
If you say so, Ali will not agree with you 😅.
Weren't the heights compressed because the threshold was at a minimum?
no thats not a threshold slider. It´s a marker to show how much highs should be pushed into it. Just like the input gain marker
Another OTT, but OTT has more and better control of the sound..and its free!
It adds harmonics but the volume is louder because it needs to be in the green to activate the plugin appropriately
It’s a dope plugin with many credited producers using it on the I master bus
was waiting for this 🙏🏾 i tried it but also started using the ozone 9 🤷🏾♂️ god particle with a clipper instead of the limiter 🤷🏾♂️ but i may have to purchase is to play around with it
This plugin is meant to sit on your 2bus and to mix into it. Joshua is a mix engineer not a mastering engineer. This plugin simply recreates his analogue chain on his 2bus. This is not meant for mastering although I’m sure some will use it as such.
maybe the High Middle and Lov 'knobs" core-o-spond with the boxs on the right...
IMHO, the plugin would serve a better purpose if any Sandstorm-based track was not fully mixed prior to mastering, or using its numerous mastered versions. Similar to most A.I. based plugins, it is best to utilize the A.I. functions when setting the overall frequency spectrum balance with no EQ and all faders at Unity. Otherwise, this plugin serves no purpose in general if the track is already mixed, including fixing frequency masking, frequency overlaps, frequency clashes, and overall balance across the entire production (arrangement) and frequency spectrum. It sounds like to me it is best not to use this plugin if the session sample rate is 44.1 due to aliasing distortion. It would have been interesting to see the overall default frequency curve within a spectrum analyzer, such as Bertom, SPAN, or Plugin Doctor when increasing its "sauce" and other parameters. It would be interesting to see where the saturation begins within the low, mid, and high knobs without a sine wave. When listening, it appears the "sauce" focuses more on the mids than any other frequency. Even though, the best kept secret is the mid-range. With that said, I find it is best to use this plugin on separate tracks, yet why purchase this plugin when there are a plethora of plugins that are better in general and overall? 2 A.I. plugins that comes to mind immediately are Sonible's Smart::EQ, Smart::Limit, and Soundtheory Gullfoss EQ.
DAMN...I bought a mic from Sweetwater yesterday. I didn't realize you had affiliate links for them. I would have gladly used it!
Snake oil. Just another ‘mastering solution/loudnessmaker’ while the musicworld - especially the home & bedproducers need to know that if the mixdown isn’t good, no shiny trickling ‘hardware-looking’ (but really looking like a fancy bouncing ball) masterplugin featured by a highly respected sound engineer is going to magically fix it & make it loud. I am not impressed.
That seems like a virtual piece of crap..lol...
I and pretty much convinced that Pro L it's pretty much the best software limiter out there
@@johnisrael5183 the Weiss DS1-Mk3 froms Softube - which is a 1 on 1 clone of the software of the real deal(digital limiter) is at the shared top with Pro-L imho.
Gorgeous song.
around 3:00 is the best part by far
Really on the fence with this plug-in, thanks for the video. Love the song is there a place to listen to it in its entirety?
Thanks a lot for the honest review. By the way, the song/mix you're using is KILLING...beautiful job!
Hopefully Dan Worrall will get busy with Plugin Doctor and show us how to make that special sauce with FabFilter plugins.
Dan Worral is the GOAT!
Running an already mixed track through it isn't the way to go about this plugin. First thing, normally the limiter is set a +5db gain when you open it, I'm not sure why yours was at zero, or maybe you turned it down to zero ? Anyway, the limiter is supposed to be a +5db. Why ? Because when you hit all the "targets" meaning the input level and the Multiband reduction amount, you can safely apply 5db of gain at the end before even touching the limiter's threshold, which in this case is 0dbfs. So you have the option to limit more if you'd like, but again, that's outside of the scope of what this plugin was designed for. If you don't have enough LUFS and you want to limit the master more, it's because you probably have to fix something prior to hitting the master. When you open it first thing on your mix buss, it's super fast to know what is happening in your mix. And most importantly, Jaycen explains that he leaves the plugin as is and again does any adjustments inside the mix in order to hit The God Particle JUST right which would mean that he has achieved the perfect EQ curve, levels and dynamic range for his taste. That's they key to this product, Jaycen isn't selling a plugin, he's selling his taste, and how his taste has shaped the sound of commercial music for the past 10 years. It's definitely a MIXING tool tho, not a mastering tool. One last important thing about it is, when you bypass The God Particle, your mix doesn't fall appart. It's not as loud, it doesn't have the sauce, but all the work you've done and all the levels you have set, are still valid and relevant. As a producer who always has to deliver "finished" sounding demos while in the process of still writing and arranging pop/radio music, this product came as, no pun intented, a god send.
respect to your workflow and how you use it, but if you have to mix into the thing "just right" to get it to sound good then why not just mix like normal and put your own sauce on the mix bus? I have a pretty set mix bus for production, settings change but its about 8 plugins and 1 hardware that are always in rotation depending on the song and that's my sound. -10LUFS and not slammed either. This plugin sounds good, might even buy it myself, but if I gotta constant go through and change the mix I love for the plugin to work then its never going to get used.
@@qlyde You don't have to go through constant changes in the mix to make the plugin sound good. It is designed to sound even better if your mix sounds good in the first place. So you have to go through constant changes in the mix to make your mix good, not to make the plugin work properly. And like I said in my previous comment, this plugin isn't supposed to make you "sound" like you, it's supposed to make you sound like him. And when I say "sound like" I mean on a more technical level like modern loudness, modern EQ curves and modern Multiband squeeze. I like dynamic mixes with loads of space, my sweet spot is 1979 until 1983, if I wanted to sound like me, that's how I'd mix, but I work in a very standardised field which is pop music, and I just can't mix like in 1979 so in order to make a bold production choice go down the labels throat, I have to present it with modern sonics in order for them to accept it. And this plugin gives me the guidelines to achieve those modern sonics without asking myself too many questions. As a matter of fact my chain was Black Box Design into McDSP MC303 into MaxWarm into Amek EQ200 into Ampex Tape Machine into Newsfangled Saturator into FabFilter ProL2. Now it's just this... Also this achieves competitive levels with 5ms of latency, which if I want to replay a piano part or something, comes in very VERY handy...
Looks like another OTT clone like Xfer OTT and Slate Digital MO-TT. Same three-band compression. Same knobs. Same visual feedback. Similar sound with the umpleasant distortion if you overdo it.
I may well be over-thinking this, but has anyone got any idea why the EQ band targets are not in the centre of each scale? I've been thinking about this ever since I started demo-ing it and I can't think of any useful reason why they made this decision lol? It's like designing a dart-board with the bullseye on the far edge? 😂🤣 Nice plugin though, the CPU power required is fairly negligible on my system which in itself is quite the achievement considering the amount of CPU required for similar plugins like Greg Wells' Mixcentric or Kush Blyss.
Well, I think we can agree it's a pretty plugin.
A very pretty remix of Sandstorm by Darude in this episode. Almost as pretty as the GUI here
it reminded me in a way to Waves’ Mixcentric plugin. however, i feel The God Particle has a more modern, warmer sound. i love it, it instantly takes my mixes closer to finish line with minimal effort. one of the best plugins i’ve bought. …even if it might just be an Ozone preset replica, it sounds awesome lol
Was thinking the same. I have MC on my 2Bus set at 1 - 2 notches only.
the idea of this plugin is put in the master bus when start mixing a song no in a finish song... to control more the dinamics in the low and mid range
I gave the demo a try and to me it seems like it's just a "go louder" tool and it doesn't give me enough control, especially the limiter. No thanks.
Track name: Adelyn Paik - Sunny Days
dope review
This seems like another modern take or "update" on OTT, the other one is from slate, released a few months ago.
OTT has more controls and highs gets compressed vs this one! All videos I saw about it no one showed highs compressed! Maybe programmers forgot to get hight compressor activated!😂maybe a glitch, most of the time mids and a bit lows gets compressed..
@@Gearstudio18 Yes, so another useless "update", more like a downgrade
Is thus like a quick fix mastering tool? What is the main usages
The Higgs Boson!!!!
I've never heard of this Jaycen guy, but I doubt he'll be winning a Nobel prize for discovering that people will pay money for snake oil.
1. not snake oil IMO.
2. great video as usual...thank you!
3. great song/mix as usual...THANK YOU!
4. I agree with most of your feedback...not the biggest fan of the limiter either. and I'd personally like there to be some sort of "advanced" or "guru" button that gave access to some other features (e.g. oversampling, frequency selection on the EQ, mid/side options, add'l metering like you mentioned). it could certainly help with the adoption rate of the plugin...novices and pros alike.
5. GUI seems to be inspired by Bettermaker.
but all that said, at the price point, I really dig it. I've added it onto an already approved master as well as mixed through it and it can add value in both scenarios. I've also been using it different spots besides the mix bus (like on groups at the end of my chain...drums, instruments, background vocals, directly on bass, etc.) for some add'l "sauce" and I think the cumulative effect is really useful.
will it replace my entire mix bus chain? not even close. and just like some of the other tools we all use, it may not be the right tool for EVERY scenario. but it will definitely see some playing time next to some of my favorite mix bus tools...it's a cool enhancement type of plugin at a fair price.