i also do this, because the of the metering hi-mid-low...i always mix into this plugin, make sure the input level is right, set it to 108-110%, set the limiter to 0 and output to -3 or so...then my mastering chain follows....but i also like Masterplan!
@@Wendel_Kos what's the input level you target? Is it an average RMS or is it based around peaks? Whichever one, what number do you target? I've been struggling to find the right # since the meters still hit the green over a broad range
Master Plan taught me a very valuable lesson: don't judge by the cover.(Or actually do judge- all the other tools trying to look nice and fancy, these guys care about sound) and MP is amazing! They're right in saying to get rid of your other limiters. I make electronic/dance, and God Particle just doesn't work in it; if it did, Master Plan might beat it there too. It's incredible. I compared it to Smart Limit, BX True Peak, and God Particle and was just amazed. All the tools it has are just as great as the limiter. I couldn't be happier. Finally an amazing limiter in the box. The people/person who made it are just absolute geniuses.
Weird comparison, these things are for different usages so you can’t expect the best result in this situation. With God particle you are supposed to start the mix session with it, Bus processor technically should go before God particle if needed.. and Masterplan should be after God Particle later in the mastering session. In short the 3 can be applied one after the other (if you turn off the limiter in God Particle)
I'm new to mixing and mastering could you not just mix into the master plan same as you would the god particle? And would you mind explaining why you would or wouldn't?
@@AlwaysTehFool well , you can do anything you want in audio if it’s sounds good for you, you can even put a drum plugin on a synth, but you must expect the best results for what they are created in first intention, because you paid for that result. I don’t know the details about Masterplan but according to the name it is supposed to be for the mastering stage, nothing stops you to try it in the God Particle way, same for Bus Processor you can put it straight from the beginning, these are personal choices , not rules.
Hey Matty, thanks for the comparison. Some notes tough. The tone shift in the sidechain circuit isn't for compressing the lows or mids more or less. It's controlling the sensitivity of the sidechain circuit to the low or high frequencies. Kinda like the Trust circuit in an API 2500, but it's fully variable in the Bus Processor. The lows and highs are still compressed, but the compression is triggererd more or less by the high or low freqs depending on the position of the tone shift knob. The knob doesn't turn the Bus Processor into a multiband compressor all of a sudden :) Knowing this, the Tone Shift function in the sidechain section is not comparable to the Tone Shift knob in the saturation section as stated on 12:28. It seems like a minor difference, but it isn't. It's a core difference in understanding the different component of all compressors. There is a lot of misinformation out there, so I just want to make sure that your channel stays on the right track. Thanks.
I think the Masterplan sounds nice, but at the end of the day i prefer the Softube Bus Processor...because you have much more controls to shape your sound.
Disagree. The EQ sounds digital in a not-good way imo. I’d never use that EQ on a full mix. I’d go with an analog emulation like a Kush plugin, the new Michelagelo or Acustica Magenta which is Manley tube EQ.
@@Uptxwn-Nai Basically means its less "transparent" or natural. That you can hear it making changes to the sound source in a way that sounds electronic in a way to his ear. The opposite of electronic to me example wise would be acoustic. Hope that helps a little bit
@@streetsillustratedinc yeah it does an engineer I was speaking to said something similar so how would you go about achieving a transparent and brighter mix without damaging the dynamics if it’s not with master plan ? I’m curious
Master Plan is a great plugin... You doing have to use the EQ... It's not trying to get saturation from the EQ... It has other settings for that. It's intentionally transparent
Thanks Marty for all you do for the recording community. Nice song and mix. I do like nice looking plugins also but at the end of the day Master Plan does what it supposed to do and that’s make everything sound good. Looks are deceiving in this case. I agree with one of the commenters I own smart limiter, ozone, and bx master desk and I find myself reaching for master plan for the most part. But at the end of the day everybody has to do what sounds the best to them.
yeah Softube blows Acustica's cheap ompulse responses out fo the water....just a backwards way of doing things - nobody who's acyually working uses it - just at home basement guys....
I enjoyed this, but I wanted to add that Bus Processor wasn’t meant to be a mastering black box, unlike the others. It was designed more for busses and channels. It’s very nice, but not the same thing. Also that song is aids for my ears.
The trick with the god particle is not to put it after a mix but to mix into it till the begenning
i swear you'll improve ur mixes
A fact
that is correct! why do peopel not understand this plugin????
i also do this, because the of the metering hi-mid-low...i always mix into this plugin, make sure the input level is right, set it to 108-110%, set the limiter to 0 and output to -3 or so...then my mastering chain follows....but i also like Masterplan!
@@Wendel_Kos what's the input level you target? Is it an average RMS or is it based around peaks? Whichever one, what number do you target? I've been struggling to find the right # since the meters still hit the green over a broad range
I think God particle combined with Master plan is the sauce on MixBus but an alternate to master plan is the amazing Michelangelo by Tone projects
Master Plan taught me a very valuable lesson: don't judge by the cover.(Or actually do judge- all the other tools trying to look nice and fancy, these guys care about sound) and MP is amazing! They're right in saying to get rid of your other limiters. I make electronic/dance, and God Particle just doesn't work in it; if it did, Master Plan might beat it there too. It's incredible. I compared it to Smart Limit, BX True Peak, and God Particle and was just amazed. All the tools it has are just as great as the limiter. I couldn't be happier. Finally an amazing limiter in the box. The people/person who made it are just absolute geniuses.
Weird comparison, these things are for different usages so you can’t expect the best result in this situation. With God particle you are supposed to start the mix session with it, Bus processor technically should go before God particle if needed.. and Masterplan should be after God Particle later in the mastering session. In short the 3 can be applied one after the other (if you turn off the limiter in God Particle)
I'm new to mixing and mastering could you not just mix into the master plan same as you would the god particle? And would you mind explaining why you would or wouldn't?
@@AlwaysTehFool well , you can do anything you want in audio if it’s sounds good for you, you can even put a drum plugin on a synth, but you must expect the best results for what they are created in first intention, because you paid for that result. I don’t know the details about Masterplan but according to the name it is supposed to be for the mastering stage, nothing stops you to try it in the God Particle way, same for Bus Processor you can put it straight from the beginning, these are personal choices , not rules.
Indeed
Exactly. The God particle is apply and forget then mix into it. One of a kind plug and I use it on every mix!!
Big fan of Master Plan. Best limiter and saturation out of the 3. All good plugins though
Hey Matty, thanks for the comparison. Some notes tough. The tone shift in the sidechain circuit isn't for compressing the lows or mids more or less. It's controlling the sensitivity of the sidechain circuit to the low or high frequencies. Kinda like the Trust circuit in an API 2500, but it's fully variable in the Bus Processor. The lows and highs are still compressed, but the compression is triggererd more or less by the high or low freqs depending on the position of the tone shift knob. The knob doesn't turn the Bus Processor into a multiband compressor all of a sudden :) Knowing this, the Tone Shift function in the sidechain section is not comparable to the Tone Shift knob in the saturation section as stated on 12:28. It seems like a minor difference, but it isn't. It's a core difference in understanding the different component of all compressors. There is a lot of misinformation out there, so I just want to make sure that your channel stays on the right track. Thanks.
My favourite multiprocessor is IK One ☺️👍🏾
Ik one...is a secret weapoon...indeed
Bus Processor ! And it's on sale now .
I think the Masterplan sounds nice, but at the end of the day i prefer the Softube Bus Processor...because you have much more controls to shape your sound.
I would agree. I’ve been reaching for bus processor more than master plan.
Thanks for the vid...personally I am using God Particles but will definitely look at the ones you mentioned...cheers
Hands down the Master Plan sounds the best and it looks really easy to use.
Disagree. The EQ sounds digital in a not-good way imo. I’d never use that EQ on a full mix. I’d go with an analog emulation like a Kush plugin, the new Michelagelo or Acustica Magenta which is Manley tube EQ.
@@sub-jec-tivsorry to bother (new engineer here) what do you mean by digital EQ ?
@@Uptxwn-Nai Basically means its less "transparent" or natural. That you can hear it making changes to the sound source in a way that sounds electronic in a way to his ear. The opposite of electronic to me example wise would be acoustic. Hope that helps a little bit
@@streetsillustratedinc yeah it does an engineer I was speaking to said something similar so how would you go about achieving a transparent and brighter mix without damaging the dynamics if it’s not with master plan ? I’m curious
Master Plan is a great plugin... You doing have to use the EQ... It's not trying to get saturation from the EQ... It has other settings for that. It's intentionally transparent
The High square in The God Particle m/b section is for that Trap Hi-hat thingy I believe. If your non trap mix hit it, it's too bright.
Nope
Love this plug, it's a pity I can't select EQ band on the wide knob, I'd like to keep my bass and kick in the center
Thanks Marty for all you do for the recording community. Nice song and mix. I do like nice looking plugins also but at the end of the day Master Plan does what it supposed to do and that’s make everything sound good. Looks are deceiving in this case. I agree with one of the commenters I own smart limiter, ozone, and bx master desk and I find myself reaching for master plan for the most part. But at the end of the day everybody has to do what sounds the best to them.
Bus Processor for the win 🥇
As an Acustica Audio freak Ι don't really like algorithmic stuff with 10-15 exceptions (PA mostly) but Softube nailed this one !!
yeah Softube blows Acustica's cheap ompulse responses out fo the water....just a backwards way of doing things - nobody who's acyually working uses it - just at home basement guys....
The God Particle Is A Mix In Plug-In , Thanks For Your Thoughts.
Dope Song
That Softube one was nice.
I enjoyed this, but I wanted to add that Bus Processor wasn’t meant to be a mastering black box, unlike the others. It was designed more for busses and channels. It’s very nice, but not the same thing. Also that song is aids for my ears.
Did you see the title of the thumbnail? It’s not “mastering black box video”
Thanks Mat
This track sounds like Drake linked up with Empire of the Sun.
Great Review:))
They’re all too different.
Matty I like the Softube 1 got the demo couple weeks ago. If I had pick my fav on bus on top of an SSL be UAD elysia alpha like the clip and eq on it.
feel like god particle adds too much color and brightness with an exciter
magic flow. thats it