What are you using on your master bus? If you're using the God Particle, are you mixing in to it? Let me know your thoughts below! FYI the winners will be notified by email, we do NOT have a Telegram and we do NOT charge for people to win prizes!
I don't use anything on my mix bus. I mix down best as I can and do a render of that mix. Then I drag that master into a new project and shove it through Abbey Roads and try not to over cook things. Plug-ins are boring.
During mixing: Waves WLM Plus loudness meter because it has the true peak metering and also the true peak limiter, and the last plugin is the Waves PAZ Analyzer, and maybe, just maybe a compressor with a ratio of max ≈ 1.5..maybe…. During finalizing (or mastering)…eh, well that’s a story for another day or video, haha… I believe in keeping the mix master bus as clean as possible during mixing. That is also one way to force your self to really learn more about mixing because it is better to do the hard work of mixing instead of for example putting a too hard working compressor on the mix master bus to ”fix” it all. This will often sound ”flat”. This is the sound of Synthesizers with everything in them with ready to play programs that has drums, bass, guitars, synths etc. It will sound great in the music store as a demo, and also for musicians that perform them selves in pubs etc, but it will not sound professional as a song track just because of the ”flat” sound it has. Well, that’s what I think. Thank you Warren for a great demo video.
I’ve been using God Particle on every mix since I demoed it and then bought it. In some cases I have used it to “remaster” something where I liked the mix. Here are my hints - first, your input is super important. You need to keep your level in the green most of the time, peaking close to 0. In order to achieve both level and a consistent peak, you really start to look at using clippers and limiters on the way in. Controlling your transients is really important so you get that nice consistent level yet not clip the input. Clip what you need to clip first. I also find that I like an EQ before God Particle to shape things a little. If you are doing a bunch of large EQ moves at this stage then go fix it a track/bus level. Keep your EQ moves light on the master bus. Then once in GP you fine tune using its EQ, if needed. The limiter does sound good and works well, but I have found that it is really not true peak so you need to meter it afterwards and make adjustments. You also will want to employ dithering if changing bit rates in your bounce. If you don’t want to use the GP limiter, I have used Sonible smart:limit or Ozone 10 advanced maximizer to bring a little more control to the bounce. Hope this helps someone out there.
Thank you, helped me ! A clipper before GP is interesting, will try that. I also leave the GP limiter out, it's a bit too "fat" for me, prefer FAB L2 or Weiss, will have a look at smartlimit 👍
@@thesaint7380 you’re welcome. Ideally you’ll clip transient heavy tracks/busses rather than just a clipper in the master bus before GP.. but no rules. If you do use a clipper before GP on the master, try using one that has some options like soft clipping (think of a knee in a compressor). O10 actually just added a soft clipper to their maximizer module just to give you an idea. Best wishes and luck
@@kshep39 Ahh, i just bought StandardClip from SIR yesterday, after hearing it on Mark Daniel Nelsons 'trick' (he put it before the limiter in the master bus too). Clipping is new to me, will try it on busses, thanks again !
Ignore the haters, the plugin sounds great - I've used it a lot. I disable the limiter and manually do that later. Don't always use default settings. Set your mix to 0% and push it until you have the sound you want. Sometimes that might only be 25%, sometimes it might be 125%. If you do enable the limiter, you'll get some distortion if you push the mix too high - so keep that in mind. Ignore the highs meter - you'll rarely hit it. It's not important.
Always Grateful to you Warren (and video team) for the best and most insightful product reviews. This one was especially stellar! I was kinda on the fence, but after this video I immediately purchased GP to happily support Jaycen and Cradle. Thanks again for everything
I just bought this plugin yesterday (June 19th 23) and I’m still overwhelmed… I’m listening straight in my car your mix and mine at the same time using the god particle and it gives me a great result , I add some gain on the mids and little on lows and it’s perfect…. I’m shocked how good this is
Been using it for a few months- love it! It's one of my go to tools in the master bus. I find that if you use it alongside izotope's tonal balance control you can get a mix that is perfect just with these two. Then I will bounce a mix and open a mastering track with Izotope 10 and I'm usually very happy with it. I also use it to re-master old 2 track mixes. I will open a new Master project (I use DP but they are basically all he same, no??) then I will have a master track and a stereo track with the old mix. I slap God on the stereo track mix and play around with it 'til it sounds pretty good. On the master bus I will put Izotope 10 and master to taste, of course using master balance control to get within the ball part. Works wonder for me on an old mix. things just sound so much better with the God Particle, makes my mixes come alive!
I haven't used it. But all the videos explaining what it does, has taught me more about mixbus processing, than everything I've ever seen on TH-cam. Now I have developed my own simple secret sauce.
In this order: VU meter, Pro Q3, TEOTE, SSL bus comp, J37, Drawmer s73, Oxford Inflator, Soothe 2, Shadow Hills class A, Standard Clip, Pro L 2, Tonal Balance Control.
I like the idea of plugins having an indication of optimal input level. While I find presets to be useful starting points, the target input level has always been an ambiguous element when compression or saturation is part of the plugin recipe. I wonder what a mastering engineer thinks about getting mixes with so much 2bus treatment baked in. I use m/s processing on elements sometimes but it's not something I use across an entire mix.
Geeeeez Warren ❗Just when I was winding down from buying more plug-ins (most of which I don't even use), you throw THIS at us❗🤯Now I have to buy this-AND I'LL USE IT❣
Hello ! in fact, I have the impression that it is a tool to boost three different parts of the Master, which can be complementary to some tools in our chain, but it is already possible to reproduce this chain without this tool. After if he pleases and renders service, that's all we ask of him but for my part, I find it just satisfactory by its animation and its evocative name. Sylvain I love your headphones, it feels like you have speakers glued to your ears ^^
I think their marketing confuses a lot of people. I’ve seen a lot of comments on FB that this is some mastering tool. It’s not. You mix into it, so it’s in a way what I like to think of as a “pre-master” plugin. Man, I love it! Imagine it as just a big console your mix is going through with some very fresh targets to aim for. Once I get the mix roughly done, I finish the mastering with some high quality compression, EQ, and maximiser plugins to get that final sheen and make it more “mine”. This plugin follows the trend of the blur happening now between mixing and mastering. I hope the strict artificial divide between mastering and mixing collapses, and the mixer finishes also the master - it’s time to stop dividing that up between two people, and just let one artist pull everything together and make it shine - God Particle is a great step in that direction and reflects Joshua’s philosophy of taking more control over the mix.
I already have Gullfoss on my Master bus before I master. Not sure how many more plugins I can put on the master bus although this does a different job that Gullfoss. This is a tough one but it sounds pretty good.
My worry is that this reminded me of a wet Tuesday afternoon in KGM West in Salford when the first BBE Sonic Maximiser arrived. It seemed to make everything more everything, a true magic button, it brightened up a very grey day. To the point where everything sounded bad without it. With persistent use it began to get on my nerves, making everything sound a bit, well, a bit FM radio. This looks to be more subtle and to have more variables to play with so I'm sure it's not going to work out the same. But hearing the bypass to processed switch I was reminded of that afternoon on the Man United side of the City, a very dark and foreboding place for us blues in those years.
It’s cool to see so many different experiences. This is how I’m using it. I don’t! Well not on my final mix, I use it as a tool and it helps me to keep my ear in check. I’ve found that once I strip it of and master the track myself I’m doing a lot less on the master. Once you spend some time with it you can figure out what it’s doing. However what it excels at is a fast chain on the master. Probably one of the most useful tools live seen released for sometime. You can use it like a second engineers opinion, a stereo bus chain or as a quick mastering plugin! How cool to have so much in a plugin.
Hello, folks! I have to tell you this plugin doesn't mess up your mixing style. There are some rumors around this plugin, but you won't sound like Jaycen because you mix it into the same sauce. It will still disclose your personal touch. How this plugin glue and open up your mix depends on how the sources hit and how you tweak the mix bus. Your personal signature will remain, but you will hear the potential of your mix in real-time. How much of the sauce you want to use is up to you, and you can use it only as a reference. You can also use it on a parallel mix bus, e.g., for the low end. This plugin has been a time saver the last weeks for me. Try it out. It's free for five days.
@@oh515 ok, I thought is was actually really for free for 5 days, but you meant the trial is 5 days. yeah, probably going to stick with bx_master + fabfilter L2, this is just too expensive.
I tried something recently. I mixed through the god particle without the limiter, printed it at around -6. Then I took that print into a session with just isotope. I worked it from there. Sounded great to me.
@@Liran... hey! Yes, I still like this approach but I’m not really pulling in clients or anything just trying to get better. I did realize that’s a bit of a crutch though, not getting that feedback. I recently did something kind of weird. I bounced the left and right channels to cassette. I did 2 passes, where the tape deck was distorting and one where it was hissy but clean. Then I mixed them. I mean, nobody else may get it but I think it sounds so cool. The surprising thing was how the tape cassette compression tamed the low end of the track.
The limiter is very nicely program dependent. The snare is limited so gracefully by the multi bands, it almost seems untouched. There’s a lot going on with upward compression and it’s done with great choices for the music re the bands. I’m liking it way more than I want to.
I bought it. And I am extensively trying on my master bus. I understand that the eq is centered around 150Hz for the low end, 650Hz for the mids, and 10K for the highs, with a gentle slope. There is around 2% harmonic distortion at 200% and a little at 50%, mainly on the bass side, from 100Hz down, and An Harmonic distortion spike at 10K. The limiter is flat and works as expected. When you insert the plugin with the default settings, you get a 7dB boost with a slight frequency response coloration. To a fair comparison, lowering the output by 7dB is a good idea. It injects the frequency and harmonic distortion of an SSL J mix bus, which was the expected effect. But the 7dB boost can be deceiving. Excellent display, though :) It can be a quick way to have some basic control of the master-bus.
Warren, I am always confused about your comps. If I click on the link I put in my email address and name, but then see a load of ways to enter such as subscribe to mailing list which I have already done previously (Several times). Once I am subscribed, I don’t need to keep subscribing? Can you just clarify how this should work? Thanks.
Gutted I just uploaded my remix for the competition and then noticed some glitches/artefacts that occurred during mixdown. Please tell me that will be looked past? They aren't in the mix! I'd submit another export of the exact same remix without glitches but know I'd just void my entry by doing so. :/
I’ve been looking at this plug in for a while but havent pulled the trigger on it yet. As an amateur mixer/master engineer i know id love this plug in🔥🔥 Jaycen is such a legend!
I started using the Ozone 9 "God Particle" preset. One of these days I'll break down and get the real thing. :) This was one of the best plugin reviews for GP by far.
Warren: What would You recomend for a better lower end in terms of headphones?? Those blue lolas or those LCD X's? ABOUT MASTERBUS: I goes with (in this particular order): Waves SSL comp into Pultec (with CLA master bus settings) into L2 (Your settings from one of the videos).
@@Producelikeapro One more Q about headphones: Warren, is it possible to mix a song only on headphones? My issue is that with super wide guitars the vocal is loud enough on them but then on speakers it seems less. It's obvious as a feeling in general but I wonder is it just a matter to teach yours ears that or that is why the best don't mix on headphones.
As I mentioned to Sara Carter, evaluations like this might benefit from some application of Gain Staging in addition to a neutral Loudness Compensation Meter, such as Ian Shepherd's "Perception A/B" to avoid the problem of Loudness Bias.
Thanks so much guys - by far the most in-depth demos and reviews I have found on The God Particle! I was leaning towards a "no" until I saw this video. Tbh before this I thought TGP was a case of "The Emperor's New Clothes' and that other producers were reluctant to criticize it maybe because JJ has 15 Grammys and a lot of friends in high places! But halfway through I had to go and buy it. Then after inserting TGP on my latest track and tweaking for 10-15 mins, I am 100% convinced I will be using this on EVERY track from now on...
Awesome plugin and actually does a great job adding a slight bit of magic to an already great mixdown. However, I think using it at 100 percent is complete overkill for any mixdown, and I feel you should never mix with it on. Use it as a final chain placement after your limiter, is what I found sounded best and most natural sounding. if you have to use it at 100%, then something may be wrong in your mixdown. My opinion on the limiter, I don't think I'll ever use the limiter, as I feel it is inferior to Fabfilter Pro L2 or Plugin Alliance BX Limiter True Peak. Although, for a hundred dollars the plugin is well worth every penny even without the limiter. It does add a touch of magic and does wonders polishing vocals.
This plugin is interesting and probably a really good one, but when you are a person who want to control every little thing that happens, and also know what the plugin is doing, then it may be less satisfying. It kind of feels like these types of plugins will make it "ok" to use sound altering plugins/compression/methods on the mix master bus, and thereby taking away the so important mixing part, especially for beginners who wants to learn more regarding mixing. However, I am sure this plugin will be very interesting to many, many mixers and probably very much used by beginners that will "feel" that "wow" what a great mix i have achieved.. Thanks for a great video and I hope this plugin will be successful.
I am intrigued and can’t help but try to imagine what is going on. I’d love to know what frequencies are used in the crossover which can’t be hard to determine. So I would like to see what everyone else thinks is happening under the hood. Here’s my guess. First looks like a full bandwidth compressor on the input. Jaycen describes the eq section and potentially renaming it to push pull which suggests that it is actually post crossover Gain into compression rather than eq. The sound of the low end suggests fast release time compression and also sounds like soft knee compression so I am guessing a high ratio but big round knee. The midrange sounds almost like a mid side split, and slightly defined or early reflections and some kind of saturation/harmonic series adjustment similar to what happens in Melodyne Studio spectral balancing. Only on the sides Maybe then mid and sides re united. High band may be something similar to mids but doesn’t sound like the same detune/ reflections but a lot of widening and more mid/ side balancing.
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ok so this is becoming very intriguing and im so glad they have a trial cus im definitely gonna check it out. quick question...so u mix into this ?? and would u have some light bus compression before this or does this guy handle it all ??
I put a ssl-style buss compressor before it on the master buss with some very light compression and then add the GP after it with the default settings (yes I leave the limiter on at the default setting). I just make sure that the input to the GP is hitting the 'green zone' amd then mix into it. I lower the output to leave some headroom for mastering. Works brilliantly for me...
Reminds me of the BBE Sonic Maximizer and Aural Exciters that “revolutionized” our mixes 30 plus years ago! Adding that “HiFi” sound! What was old is new again! I’m sure I’ll end up buying it to!!
Hey Warren, I received a notice from this reply stating I’m a winner and to contact you on messenger. It had an account with your picture. It’s obviously a scam of some sorts, curious what exactly is their scam? I may have fallen for it initially until blocking and deleting messenger chat.
With God in the title it should at least have automatic gain compensation. Would highly recommend something like Letimix GainMatch for these sort of plugin reviews.
I don't know if it's becasue of TH-cam compression, but to my ears it just makes things louder and brighter and a bit wider. Really not that impressive to my ears.
Sounds like some divine inspiration! I could see myself using this regularly. I usually mix into a smiley face stock Logic vintage console eq and stock Vintage VCA just tickling things on the master bus.
Well, this looks like a really nice plug-in. What I like about it is that it doesn't look too complicated. I've being using Abbey Roads Mastering for a while now, and honestly, I've just being (I've being not using 'been, 'being and 'bin correctly for quite awhile also) scrolling through the presets til I found something I like, feeding my mix into the plug in and then backing it way off when it starts to feel overcooked. There is no way I'm a mastering engineer so I would probably use this plug in in a similar fashion. Really good job on the plug-in Jaycen Joshua. Looks like it would be a really good hammer to my nail. But, on my mix buss ...? I'd be afraid to use it while mixing because I'd be afraid of it making things sound too nice and that I'd miss something that I should be attending to. I'd like to hear anybodies thoughts on that.
I actually hear things better with the plugin enabled right off the bat. Its especially easier to dial in reverbs because you already know what the mid side separation are doing to the track. Think of it like a bigger canvas. So when you think you got a good mix, try making it even nicer and suddenly you got a track that's larger than life to what you would otherwise have had. Think of it like mixing into a console. Just a bigger canvas, so be aware of the fact things sounds nicer all of the sudden but stick with it when it comes to eq comp and saturation. Don't skip a single step you feel you could do without just because the particle is on. Try pushing the envelope a bit harder. After a mix or two you get used to how it all sounds and you don't really wanna mix without it.
@@deadislander Oh dear. Yep, sounds a lot like good old cocaine. I'll leave you to yours but as for myself, I'd better stay away from 'the good stuff' til I'm done all my critical work.
Its almost like its being able to dial in like 100% as to where doin it by hand there always that just tiny area that you either cant hit or that you cant actually reach due to a way a knob turns or to not being able to use a mouse steady enough to get it down to that 100% instead of normally only being able to get it to 99.7%. Hope this makes sense to people........
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What are you using on your master bus?
If you're using the God Particle, are you mixing in to it? Let me know your thoughts below! FYI the winners will be notified by email, we do NOT have a Telegram and we do NOT charge for people to win prizes!
I don't use anything on my mix bus. I mix down best as I can and do a render of that mix. Then I drag that master into a new project and shove it through Abbey Roads and try not to over cook things. Plug-ins are boring.
Been using God Particle for a couple of weeks. Loving the results so far
@@mattalan5218 thanks ever so much for sharing
Hello Warren I have been using Particle for 1 month on my Master Bus to make production I adopted it well he does a good job.
During mixing: Waves WLM Plus loudness meter because it has the true peak metering and also the true peak limiter, and the last plugin is the Waves PAZ Analyzer, and maybe, just maybe a compressor with a ratio of max ≈ 1.5..maybe…. During finalizing (or mastering)…eh, well that’s a story for another day or video, haha… I believe in keeping the mix master bus as clean as
possible during mixing. That is also one way to force your self to really learn more about mixing because it is better to do the hard work of mixing instead of for example putting a too hard working compressor on the mix master bus to ”fix” it all. This will often sound ”flat”. This is the sound of Synthesizers with everything in them with ready to play programs that has drums, bass, guitars, synths etc. It will sound great in the music store as a demo, and also for musicians that perform them selves in pubs etc, but it will not sound professional as a song track just because of the ”flat” sound it has. Well, that’s what I think. Thank you Warren for a great demo video.
I’ve been using God Particle on every mix since I demoed it and then bought it. In some cases I have used it to “remaster” something where I liked the mix. Here are my hints - first, your input is super important. You need to keep your level in the green most of the time, peaking close to 0. In order to achieve both level and a consistent peak, you really start to look at using clippers and limiters on the way in. Controlling your transients is really important so you get that nice consistent level yet not clip the input. Clip what you need to clip first. I also find that I like an EQ before God Particle to shape things a little. If you are doing a bunch of large EQ moves at this stage then go fix it a track/bus level. Keep your EQ moves light on the master bus. Then once in GP you fine tune using its EQ, if needed. The limiter does sound good and works well, but I have found that it is really not true peak so you need to meter it afterwards and make adjustments. You also will want to employ dithering if changing bit rates in your bounce. If you don’t want to use the GP limiter, I have used Sonible smart:limit or Ozone 10 advanced maximizer to bring a little more control to the bounce. Hope this helps someone out there.
Thank you, helped me ! A clipper before GP is interesting, will try that. I also leave the GP limiter out, it's a bit too "fat" for me, prefer FAB L2 or Weiss, will have a look at smartlimit 👍
@@thesaint7380 you’re welcome. Ideally you’ll clip transient heavy tracks/busses rather than just a clipper in the master bus before GP.. but no rules. If you do use a clipper before GP on the master, try using one that has some options like soft clipping (think of a knee in a compressor). O10 actually just added a soft clipper to their maximizer module just to give you an idea. Best wishes and luck
Thank you, it will be great if could make a video about that.
@@kshep39 Ahh, i just bought StandardClip from SIR yesterday, after hearing it on Mark Daniel Nelsons 'trick' (he put it before the limiter in the master bus too). Clipping is new to me, will try it on busses, thanks again !
Thanks ever so much for sharing Kyle!
Ignore the haters, the plugin sounds great - I've used it a lot. I disable the limiter and manually do that later. Don't always use default settings. Set your mix to 0% and push it until you have the sound you want. Sometimes that might only be 25%, sometimes it might be 125%. If you do enable the limiter, you'll get some distortion if you push the mix too high - so keep that in mind. Ignore the highs meter - you'll rarely hit it. It's not important.
Thanks for the Interview mannnnn .....Cant wait to see what you do with it and your fascination... Let's go!!!
Thanks ever so much
Always Grateful to you Warren (and video team) for the best and most insightful product reviews. This one was especially stellar! I was kinda on the fence, but after this video I immediately purchased GP to happily support Jaycen and Cradle. Thanks again for everything
Thanks ever so much! Really appreciate it
Loved the interview! Would love some more interviews of the new generation of ‘top mixers’ in the future! And also the God Particle ❤️
Absolutely!! More to come
Thank you for the demo Warren!
You’re very welcome
It sounds really good and I love how simple it looks. Thanks for sharing all that info.
Thanks ever so much
Just when I thought I couldn't possibly need or want another plugin. This sounds amazing and I love how easy the GUI is laid out.
Haha we’ve all been there
Yes AWESOME, I'm a big fan of the God Particle, especially on Pop/Hip Hop productions - thanks for the fantastic review ❤✌
Thanks ever so much Ady! you rock
I just bought this plugin yesterday (June 19th 23) and I’m still overwhelmed… I’m listening straight in my car your mix and mine at the same time using the god particle and it gives me a great result , I add some gain on the mids and little on lows and it’s perfect…. I’m shocked how good this is
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Been using it for a few months- love it! It's one of my go to tools in the master bus. I find that if you use it alongside izotope's tonal balance control you can get a mix that is perfect just with these two. Then I will bounce a mix and open a mastering track with Izotope 10 and I'm usually very happy with it. I also use it to re-master old 2 track mixes. I will open a new Master project (I use DP but they are basically all he same, no??) then I will have a master track and a stereo track with the old mix. I slap God on the stereo track mix and play around with it 'til it sounds pretty good. On the master bus I will put Izotope 10 and master to taste, of course using master balance control to get within the ball part. Works wonder for me on an old mix. things just sound so much better with the God Particle, makes my mixes come alive!
I haven't used it. But all the videos explaining what it does, has taught me more about mixbus processing, than everything I've ever seen on TH-cam. Now I have developed my own simple secret sauce.
That’s wonderful to hear! Glad to be able to help
been using this for about 3 months and just love it !!!
Thanks ever so much for sharing
In this order:
VU meter, Pro Q3, TEOTE, SSL bus comp, J37, Drawmer s73, Oxford Inflator, Soothe 2, Shadow Hills class A, Standard Clip, Pro L 2, Tonal Balance Control.
I like the idea of plugins having an indication of optimal input level. While I find presets to be useful starting points, the target input level has always been an ambiguous element when compression or saturation is part of the plugin recipe. I wonder what a mastering engineer thinks about getting mixes with so much 2bus treatment baked in. I use m/s processing on elements sometimes but it's not something I use across an entire mix.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
Geeeeez Warren ❗Just when I was winding down from buying more plug-ins (most of which I don't even use), you throw THIS at us❗🤯Now I have to buy this-AND I'LL USE IT❣
Haha yes, lots of engineer friends of mine use it!
First I'm hearing about this, thanks for showing us!
Thanks Lewis!
Thanks for the in depth view. I have "Taip" on my master bus. Its doing the same widening magic just without the limiter.
Hello !
in fact, I have the impression that it is a tool to boost three different parts of the Master, which can be complementary to some tools in our chain, but it is already possible to reproduce this chain without this tool. After if he pleases and renders service, that's all we ask of him but for my part, I find it just satisfactory by its animation and its evocative name.
Sylvain
I love your headphones, it feels like you have speakers glued to your ears ^^
I think their marketing confuses a lot of people. I’ve seen a lot of comments on FB that this is some mastering tool. It’s not. You mix into it, so it’s in a way what I like to think of as a “pre-master” plugin. Man, I love it! Imagine it as just a big console your mix is going through with some very fresh targets to aim for. Once I get the mix roughly done, I finish the mastering with some high quality compression, EQ, and maximiser plugins to get that final sheen and make it more “mine”. This plugin follows the trend of the blur happening now between mixing and mastering. I hope the strict artificial divide between mastering and mixing collapses, and the mixer finishes also the master - it’s time to stop dividing that up between two people, and just let one artist pull everything together and make it shine - God Particle is a great step in that direction and reflects Joshua’s philosophy of taking more control over the mix.
Great review.
I already have Gullfoss on my Master bus before I master. Not sure how many more plugins I can put on the master bus although this does a different job that Gullfoss. This is a tough one but it sounds pretty good.
Very intrigued by this one!
Marvellous
My worry is that this reminded me of a wet Tuesday afternoon in KGM West in Salford when the first BBE Sonic Maximiser arrived. It seemed to make everything more everything, a true magic button, it brightened up a very grey day. To the point where everything sounded bad without it. With persistent use it began to get on my nerves, making everything sound a bit, well, a bit FM radio. This looks to be more subtle and to have more variables to play with so I'm sure it's not going to work out the same. But hearing the bypass to processed switch I was reminded of that afternoon on the Man United side of the City, a very dark and foreboding place for us blues in those years.
It’s cool to see so many different experiences. This is how I’m using it. I don’t! Well not on my final mix, I use it as a tool and it helps me to keep my ear in check. I’ve found that once I strip it of and master the track myself I’m doing a lot less on the master. Once you spend some time with it you can figure out what it’s doing. However what it excels at is a fast chain on the master. Probably one of the most useful tools live seen released for sometime.
You can use it like a second engineers opinion, a stereo bus chain or as a quick mastering plugin! How cool to have so much in a plugin.
Helpful to hit this with a soft clipper or another limiter beforehand to lessen the load? Also, does this have an adjustable high pass?
Hello, folks! I have to tell you this plugin doesn't mess up your mixing style. There are some rumors around this plugin, but you won't sound like Jaycen because you mix it into the same sauce. It will still disclose your personal touch. How this plugin glue and open up your mix depends on how the sources hit and how you tweak the mix bus. Your personal signature will remain, but you will hear the potential of your mix in real-time. How much of the sauce you want to use is up to you, and you can use it only as a reference. You can also use it on a parallel mix bus, e.g., for the low end. This plugin has been a time saver the last weeks for me. Try it out. It's free for five days.
did you say free in 5? Or for 5 days?
@@realraven2000 Sorry! For 5 days 😊
@@oh515 ok, I thought is was actually really for free for 5 days, but you meant the trial is 5 days. yeah, probably going to stick with bx_master + fabfilter L2, this is just too expensive.
Thanks ever so much for sharing G H!
@@realraven2000 If you have a favorite chain and workflow that work for you, go for it.
Great informative video! So good to hear from a variety of perspectives!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks ever so much!
I try it out on my master bus and it s very helpful... My mix sound pretty well now :)
Any video involving Matt Lange will always draw me in!
Matt is the man!!
I tried something recently. I mixed through the god particle without the limiter, printed it at around -6. Then I took that print into a session with just isotope. I worked it from there. Sounded great to me.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
Any update on your way of working?
@@Liran... hey! Yes, I still like this approach but I’m not really pulling in clients or anything just trying to get better. I did realize that’s a bit of a crutch though, not getting that feedback.
I recently did something kind of weird. I bounced the left and right channels to cassette. I did 2 passes, where the tape deck was distorting and one where it was hissy but clean. Then I mixed them. I mean, nobody else may get it but I think it sounds so cool. The surprising thing was how the tape cassette compression tamed the low end of the track.
The limiter is very nicely program dependent. The snare is limited so gracefully by the multi bands, it almost seems untouched. There’s a lot going on with upward compression and it’s done with great choices for the music re the bands. I’m liking it way more than I want to.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Peter!
Love it! Used it on my master bus for the ratemymix competition. Haha
Haha nice
I bought it. And I am extensively trying on my master bus. I understand that the eq is centered around 150Hz for the low end, 650Hz for the mids, and 10K for the highs, with a gentle slope. There is around 2% harmonic distortion at 200% and a little at 50%, mainly on the bass side, from 100Hz down, and An Harmonic distortion spike at 10K. The limiter is flat and works as expected. When you insert the plugin with the default settings, you get a 7dB boost with a slight frequency response coloration. To a fair comparison, lowering the output by 7dB is a good idea. It injects the frequency and harmonic distortion of an SSL J mix bus, which was the expected effect. But the 7dB boost can be deceiving. Excellent display, though :)
It can be a quick way to have some basic control of the master-bus.
I love this plug-in♥️I pair it with Gulfoss before it and keep my master bus simple
Sounds great! Thanks for sharing!
Exactly! Me too!
Just did this yesterday for the first time and they really do compliment each other. TGP into Gulfoss or vice versa
Warren, I am always confused about your comps. If I click on the link I put in my email address and name, but then see a load of ways to enter such as subscribe to mailing list which I have already done previously (Several times). Once I am subscribed, I don’t need to keep subscribing? Can you just clarify how this should work? Thanks.
Question 4 u, Dolby Atmos can we do this in studio one if not do you think they will have this? stay safe
This sounds amazing to me!!
Thanks Toby
Gutted I just uploaded my remix for the competition and then noticed some glitches/artefacts that occurred during mixdown. Please tell me that will be looked past? They aren't in the mix! I'd submit another export of the exact same remix without glitches but know I'd just void my entry by doing so. :/
Cool plugin. Awesome production and solid mixes on all those songs tho
I’ve been looking at this plug in for a while but havent pulled the trigger on it yet. As an amateur mixer/master engineer i know id love this plug in🔥🔥 Jaycen is such a legend!
Thanks ever so much
I started using the Ozone 9 "God Particle" preset. One of these days I'll break down and get the real thing. :) This was one of the best plugin reviews for GP by far.
Aw shucks! Thanks ever so much
Any chance of sharing the Ozone 9 Preset? Would love to try it
@@HansRavnsfjall yes, would love to know too!
Excellent plug in Warren. Sign me up!
Marvellous
Trying to get one copy here!
But I'm a winner anyway.
I could watch the vídeo!
Thank you very much!!!!
Thanks ever so much
Good stuff 😊
Thanks ever so much
Hi, Could you try It with higher resolution for example 96 kHz?
Warren, this sounds like a compressor XT but what do l know. kinda like Jet plugin but different.
Warren: What would You recomend for a better lower end in terms of headphones?? Those blue lolas or those LCD X's?
ABOUT MASTERBUS: I goes with (in this particular order): Waves SSL comp into Pultec (with CLA master bus settings) into L2 (Your settings from one of the videos).
I always loved the Blue’s for their low end, however they stopped making them!
@@Producelikeapro One more Q about headphones: Warren, is it possible to mix a song only on headphones? My issue is that with super wide guitars the vocal is loud enough on them but then on speakers it seems less. It's obvious as a feeling in general but I wonder is it just a matter to teach yours ears that or that is why the best don't mix on headphones.
Cool. The stereo gets way wider without being weird. I would use it as a master tool 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for sharing!
i demoed this some months back and loved it! but forgot about it til today lol i hope i can win this license!!!
Great plugin to add taste to your mix buss without a doubt.
Marvellous
God Particle is awesome! Let's go!
Thanks for sharing
@@Producelikeapro Thank you too!
As I mentioned to Sara Carter, evaluations like this might benefit from some application of Gain Staging in addition to a neutral Loudness Compensation Meter, such as Ian Shepherd's "Perception A/B" to avoid the problem of Loudness Bias.
What is this OTT for dummies with clipping and saturation?
I sounded like Jaycen was calling to Matt right after he asked about the crossover points for the particle
Haha very nice
Makes me think of Gullfoss in the way that it really brings out the ambience.
so far it sounds awesome
Marvellous
Thanks so much guys - by far the most in-depth demos and reviews I have found on The God Particle! I was leaning towards a "no" until I saw this video. Tbh before this I thought TGP was a case of "The Emperor's New Clothes' and that other producers were reluctant to criticize it maybe because JJ has 15 Grammys and a lot of friends in high places! But halfway through I had to go and buy it. Then after inserting TGP on my latest track and tweaking for 10-15 mins, I am 100% convinced I will be using this on EVERY track from now on...
Seems pretty good, I just downloaded a demo. One gripe is that there's no auto-gain, which is inexcusable in a new modern plugin.
Pro mixers don’t care about auto gain.
An absolute must have plugin!!!!!!
Thanks Eric!
I have it.. Love it. Slap it on the stereo bus and forget it's there. Mix into it.
Thanks for sharing
I mix in it and I love that plug-in even producing I need to have it in the master bus
Thanks for sharing
Great plugin! I`ll get one. 100%
Marvellous
nice video as always, first time participating in a giveaway. How can I see who won and when?
When you brought the level down, it was still audibly louder so we were still hearing a volume increase when comparing without...
We need a "schnitz & schniggles" plugin, Warren :D You have friends making plugins... why not?
Haha indeed
no phase issues? regards
Hi Warren! I’d love to add those sparkly bits to my mixes! How do I get me a copy?
Here's a link to the plug in:- cradle.app/product/the-god-particle/
Looks and sounds good. 😀
Thanks James
Looks like you are using so Audeze headphones. Which model?
You know it must be amazing at what it does if it's nicknamed the God Particle!
Haha indeed
You are the target customer
@@dougleydorite I think he was being sarcastic, but idk
@@JuanJacinto there is still hope
Probably wouldn't sell so well if it was called the 'Higgs spin 0 scalar field'.
lol at the editor leaving the multi-take intros in
Awesome plugin and actually does a great job adding a slight bit of magic to an already great mixdown. However, I think using it at 100 percent is complete overkill for any mixdown, and I feel you should never mix with it on. Use it as a final chain placement after your limiter, is what I found sounded best and most natural sounding. if you have to use it at 100%, then something may be wrong in your mixdown. My opinion on the limiter, I don't think I'll ever use the limiter, as I feel it is inferior to Fabfilter Pro L2 or Plugin Alliance BX Limiter True Peak. Although, for a hundred dollars the plugin is well worth every penny even without the limiter. It does add a touch of magic and does wonders polishing vocals.
This plugin is interesting and probably a really good one, but when you are a person who want to control every little thing that happens, and also know what the plugin is doing, then it may be less satisfying. It kind of feels like these types of plugins will make it "ok" to use sound altering plugins/compression/methods on the mix master bus, and thereby taking away the so important mixing part, especially for beginners who wants to learn more regarding mixing. However, I am sure this plugin will be very interesting to many, many mixers and probably very much used by beginners that will "feel" that "wow" what a great mix i have achieved.. Thanks for a great video and I hope this plugin will be successful.
I can see why it's called the God particle. Really brings life to the mix. Wow...
Thanks for sharing
I am intrigued and can’t help but try to imagine what is going on.
I’d love to know what frequencies are used in the crossover which can’t be hard to determine.
So I would like to see what everyone else thinks is happening under the hood. Here’s my guess.
First looks like a full bandwidth compressor on the input.
Jaycen describes the eq section and potentially renaming it to push pull which suggests that it is actually post crossover Gain into compression rather than eq. The sound of the low end suggests fast release time compression and also sounds like soft knee compression so I am guessing a high ratio but big round knee. The midrange sounds almost like a mid side split, and slightly defined or early reflections and some kind of saturation/harmonic series adjustment similar to what happens in Melodyne Studio spectral balancing. Only on the sides Maybe then mid and sides re united. High band may be something similar to mids but doesn’t sound like the same detune/ reflections but a lot of widening and more mid/ side balancing.
Finally, someone(s) who know how to review a plugin!
Thanks ever so much
Edits..... ERIIIICC !!!!!!!! ;)
Haha Thanks for sharing!
I have a question. I joined the PLAP Academy a couple months ago and I'd like to watch the live FridayFeedBack. I can find the old ones by going to "the dashboard" but the live ones are more fun. Could someone please explain how this works? (I can be quite thick)
I'm live on Feedback Friday is live right now! You should be receiving emails announcing this each week. If not, email support@producelikeapro.com and they will share a link
@@Producelikeapro Oh hey man! Thanks!
I like any plug-in that sounds good but has a simple but pleasing to look at interface.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
ok so this is becoming very intriguing and im so glad they have a trial cus im definitely gonna check it out. quick question...so u mix into this ?? and would u have some light bus compression before this or does this guy handle it all ??
I usually have a bus comp before it
Thanks for sharing Matt!
You are suppose to mix into it. Like a console ! Check out Jaycens vids explaining it
I put a ssl-style buss compressor before it on the master buss with some very light compression and then add the GP after it with the default settings (yes I leave the limiter on at the default setting). I just make sure that the input to the GP is hitting the 'green zone' amd then mix into it. I lower the output to leave some headroom for mastering. Works brilliantly for me...
Wow that's some plugin. Not just a jack of all trades.....but a master of all trades. Great video thanks very much
Thanks for sharing Joey
But wait - who is the artist with the piano-bass-drum track? Did you say Jonas Smith? I’d love to hear more of this is it released?
Most of the work comes in the mixing stage, and you have a great starting point. GP just made it louder. Great video sir 👍🏾
Thanks ever so much!
Reminds me of the BBE Sonic Maximizer and Aural Exciters that “revolutionized” our mixes 30 plus years ago! Adding that “HiFi” sound! What was old is new again! I’m sure I’ll end up buying it to!!
Haha thanks for sharing
Hey Warren, I received a notice from this reply stating I’m a winner and to contact you on messenger. It had an account with your picture. It’s obviously a scam of some sorts, curious what exactly is their scam? I may have fallen for it initially until blocking and deleting messenger chat.
Not into that music but wow that sounds great; production wise. Nice work
Much appreciated!
Thank you
You’re very welcome!
With God in the title it should at least have automatic gain compensation. Would highly recommend something like Letimix GainMatch for these sort of plugin reviews.
Love the headphones. Perfect for Princess Leia too.
Who doesn’t love Star Wars?
how do you screen capture your pro tools in stereo?
We use Screenflow
Impressive!
Thanks for sharing!
I don't know if it's becasue of TH-cam compression, but to my ears it just makes things louder and brighter and a bit wider. Really not that impressive to my ears.
Sounds like some divine inspiration! I could see myself using this regularly. I usually mix into a smiley face stock Logic vintage console eq and stock Vintage VCA just tickling things on the master bus.
I have this plugin and it is good to go
Thanks for sharing
I use the plugin just for the color it gives. Great for pop music
Thanks ever so much for sharing Devin
@@Producelikeapro Of course, any time. 👍 Ty for the brilliant content you bring us.
@@devinkei1469 you’re very kind! Thanks ever so much
Sold!!
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Well, this looks like a really nice plug-in. What I like about it is that it doesn't look too complicated. I've being using Abbey Roads Mastering for a while now, and honestly, I've just being (I've being not using 'been, 'being and 'bin correctly for quite awhile also) scrolling through the presets til I found something I like, feeding my mix into the plug in and then backing it way off when it starts to feel overcooked. There is no way I'm a mastering engineer so I would probably use this plug in in a similar fashion. Really good job on the plug-in Jaycen Joshua. Looks like it would be a really good hammer to my nail. But, on my mix buss ...? I'd be afraid to use it while mixing because I'd be afraid of it making things sound too nice and that I'd miss something that I should be attending to. I'd like to hear anybodies thoughts on that.
I actually hear things better with the plugin enabled right off the bat. Its especially easier to dial in reverbs because you already know what the mid side separation are doing to the track. Think of it like a bigger canvas. So when you think you got a good mix, try making it even nicer and suddenly you got a track that's larger than life to what you would otherwise have had. Think of it like mixing into a console. Just a bigger canvas, so be aware of the fact things sounds nicer all of the sudden but stick with it when it comes to eq comp and saturation. Don't skip a single step you feel you could do without just because the particle is on. Try pushing the envelope a bit harder. After a mix or two you get used to how it all sounds and you don't really wanna mix without it.
@@deadislander Oh dear. Yep, sounds a lot like good old cocaine. I'll leave you to yours but as for myself, I'd better stay away from 'the good stuff' til I'm done all my critical work.
Its almost like its being able to dial in like 100% as to where doin it by hand there always that just tiny area that you either cant hit or that you cant actually reach due to a way a knob turns or to not being able to use a mouse steady enough to get it down to that 100% instead of normally only being able to get it to 99.7%.
Hope this makes sense to people........
Like The headphons Rkid Also Get Plugin Today I Got Audeze LCD - 2C With Sound ID ref Sothware Their Spot On
Thanks ever so much for sharing