Soothe 2 settings: Hard | depth: 18 | selectivity: 6.4 | sharpness: 0 | Attack: fast | Release: 1.0 | set high pass 500hz with 24db/oct Q: .07 then side chain it to your kick
Soothe is by far the best sidechain because it's cutting exactly the frequencies of the kick, and not just a general scoop out the low end. Edit: Trackspacer is dope too.
Your channel is dope, straight to the point useful information without all the hype and bs that normally goes along with people trying to sell you stuff. I downloaded one of your jj templates too very useful. Many thanks
I’ve heard that a lot of upcoming producer these days tend to use plugins like Soothe 2 and Smoothe Operator on almost all of their individual instrument tracks as their standard go-to plugin. And even though it works it tends to de-harsh too much of everything and it makes the sounds and tracks feel lifeless. But in this special case it really becomes in handy. BTW: I’ve seen a video about Smoothe Operator and a bug where Babyaudio updated the plug-in. There is the opportunity of changing the plug-in between Classical and Modern mode, where the classic mode introduces strange sound fragments and distortion and the modern mode gets rid of the strange behavior. So people should really use the modern mode, not the classic mode.
There's no comparison to Soothe2, there's a harshness that's still in smooth operator that can't be derailed. Soothe is worth every penny, plus I just caught on sale for 139💯
@GeorgeTmusic so i just downloaded this GodP plugin and it definitely makes the whole mix a lot louder. Im getting ready to do a deep dive into it and go live playing with the features.
Trackspacer is very similar to soothe too, as far as being a great quick sidechain technique. Just like soothe, you can choose which frequencies are effected
Is there any difference between manually trimming the 808s transients to give the kick space like he does, and just sidechaining it? Using laser sidechain for example does pretty much the exact same thing right?
Yes. manual volume automation does have more control in the sense that a compressor's release control is always dependent on the input (the kick). to get more control using a compressor, shape the input signal (the kick) by only letting in the top end of a kick, creating a sharper attack and release of the compressor since low end is usually more sustained, making the compressor clamp down for longer than maybe needed.
Isn't using the Cableguys Kickstarter 2 (and now VolumeShaper in Shaperbox 3) , in audio mode, exactly the same thing as trimming down and copy / pasting on every 808 manually? You can see the waveform of the actual kick layered over your 808 and make a custom curve just as precise. No?
Instead of Trimming the 808 I sidechain with Wavesfactory Trackspacer. Its perfect, precise and easy to use. The shit is like Parsley; I use it on EVERYTHING lolol.
It would be kind of pointless for a ghost kick if you're just using a click sound. If it's a silent duplicate of the actual song's kick it would work, though.
Awesome but bit confused though cause loair goes like an octave lower than knock?.. also is there some link or channel where you can be checking out all of Jaycens posts and tips or idk someplace where I can be completely up to date about all of his work/ideas?
JJ is one my of favs, and I’m never opposed to knowledge. But I found using Ali’s method more effective, which is just EQ’ing the kick to taste so that it just cuts through your 808 🤷🏽♂️ less work, less plug ins. Plus you don’t lose any 808 information 😁🤝🏽
@@DreTheEngineer He did explain it. That's about as straight forward as it gets. EQ the kick so that it occupies its own space where the 808 isn't to inhibit masking effects between the two. That's what the EQ is for. That's how EQing has been done forever and should be done as a SOP because if you don't, instruments are going to mask one another all over the place creating a smeared, foggy and undifferentiated mix with poor instrument separation. What's the alternative? Setting up sidechain ducking EVERYWHERE as an alternative method of equalization that you could equate to a 1-band broad frequency dynamic EQ of sorts? I suppose you could do that in theory and I'm sure you could make it work but, it wouldn't be my first choice.
Soothe 2 settings: Hard | depth: 18 | selectivity: 6.4 | sharpness: 0 | Attack: fast | Release: 1.0 | set high pass 500hz with 24db/oct Q: .07 then side chain it to your kick
How is he using Soothe2 and MV2 as parallels and sidechains? Both those plugins have latency. Soothe2 in particular is very CPU intensive. I’m using Logic X. What am I missing here? Great video yet again btw.
I don't think you are missing anything. I once tried replicating his template, and one of the conclusions I came to is that he has a beast of a computer.
Latency shouldn't effect anything you're doing while mixing. When you hit the spacebar in your DAW and start playback, the DAW should automatically calculate how much time is needed using delay compensation so everything stays in sync. Latency becomes an issue when tracking instruments or vocals. That's the whole deal with fighting latency. That also includes trying to play something in using MIDI. Once you've got a bunch of plugins and effects going, it's nearly impossible to punch in and start recording a guitar solo or play anything that requires you being locked into the groove. Playback though? Not a big deal.
I interpret that he is using automation to drag the transient down -2db since he doesn’t need both the kick and 808 pumping at the same time because they cover the same part of the low end spectrum. So he saves 2db of headroom by carving 2db off the kick or 808 (forget which one he said he does it on). By saving that headroom he can then crank his mix up higher before the kick and 808, start to clip or distort in the limiter
Guys what’s up, I am a blind engineer, and believe me, I’m pretty talented, and would love to share my music, anyways the reason I’m riding is because I cannot follow along at all what he did on the preset for sooth, too, is there any chance that you could send me the presets so I can sidechain it to my Kik And base it would mean the world. Let me know if you guys can help me out. I use logic, and ProTools.
Soothe 2 settings: Hard | depth: 18 | selectivity: 6.4 | sharpness: 0 | Attack: fast | Release: 1.0 | set high pass 500hz with 24db/oct Q: .07 then side chain it to your kick
Then you weren't ready yet, two years ago. How have things progressed since then? Is what Jaycen was saying making more sense now after you've had some time to marinate? I'm not trying to be an ass, just genuinely curious how your mixing and understanding of concepts and techniques has progressed, two years on.
Nope. He's talking about Knock by "Plugins That Knock." He was comparing it to Waves' Air sub-bass enhancer and explaining that he thinks Knock is far superior. Knock has a sub boost front and center on its interface.
isn't it something. the music that requires at least 20 people to play with huge dynamic range and a brain like Beethoven's is used as a joke in the video. And at the same time, once in a while we struggle with our "pim-pum-pum" silly songy songs asking ourselves "how can I create the same dynamic range?
Basically just automate the volume of the 808 everytime the kick hits so that they don't both hit at the same time. You can use Fruity balance and automate the volume or you can automate the fader from the mixer. You can also automate the low end of the 808 everytime that the kick hits to simulate what soothe2 does. It just takes so much time to do all of this.
FL studio also have custom sidechain input, click on the gear icon (VST Wrapper Settings), then click "processing" and choose 1 in "Stereo Side Chain" box. Now, your custom plugin is able to receive sidechain information from mixer routing
Jaycen Mentions he uses the plugin KNOCK for subharmonics! Check out the plugin here pluginsthatknock.com/?ref=UB-0XX5HMD9Nld
do you know how does he use it??? i dont understand the thing about the subharmonics
just not necessary if you use a real synth and have any modicum of skill as a producer.
Soothe 2 settings: Hard | depth: 18 | selectivity: 6.4 | sharpness: 0 | Attack: fast | Release: 1.0 | set high pass 500hz with 24db/oct Q: .07 then side chain it to your kick
High Cut*
thank you!
Thanks for this. Dumb question as I'm new to this. Is Soothe sitting on the Bass line channel or the 808 and being triggered/key coming from kick?
@@benbeazley2974soothe is on the bass track, then you route the kick signal to the plugin's sidechain
lmao its material dependent you lazy bastards. it doesn’t work like thT😂
Video about bass being 8:08 in length. Hell yeah.
Haha good catch
NO way I didn't catch that!
Thank you so much for your videos. The time and effort you put into these doesn't go unnoticed, you are appreciated.
Soothe is by far the best sidechain because it's cutting exactly the frequencies of the kick, and not just a general scoop out the low end. Edit: Trackspacer is dope too.
Bro have you tried Track spacer ?
@@kahunamoneyminded8362 Just thought of that after I commented ya
It’s also by far the most pricey sidechain 😂
@@kahunamoneyminded8362 Yep its a beast too!!! It's on plugin boutique for $29 along with Spectre $49..chaaaaanged myyy life💯
Fabfilter Pro-MB is really good too
That intro is wild 🤣 “New Bass Mixing Technique”
ong🤣
video length is 8:08
Dam really? Ive been watching for like 10 hours
You have no idea how much this is helpin us bro never stop your channel is going to be huge
Jaycen has some of the best low end I've ever heard... Super excited to watch this video
he's really making the best sounding music on earth in front of a rgb keyboard
Cool
the intro is too funny bro, you are killing the game
edit - oh nah bro... the entire things editing is too fire
I love how the length is 8:08
Your channel is dope, straight to the point useful information without all the hype and bs that normally goes along with people trying to sell you stuff. I downloaded one of your jj templates too very useful. Many thanks
I’ve heard that a lot of upcoming producer these days tend to use plugins like Soothe 2 and Smoothe Operator on almost all of their individual instrument tracks as their standard go-to plugin. And even though it works it tends to de-harsh too much of everything and it makes the sounds and tracks feel lifeless. But in this special case it really becomes in handy. BTW: I’ve seen a video about Smoothe Operator and a bug where Babyaudio updated the plug-in. There is the opportunity of changing the plug-in between Classical and Modern mode, where the classic mode introduces strange sound fragments and distortion and the modern mode gets rid of the strange behavior. So people should really use the modern mode, not the classic mode.
There's no comparison to Soothe2, there's a harshness that's still in smooth operator that can't be derailed. Soothe is worth every penny, plus I just caught on sale for 139💯
@@alloutofoptions i gettig it bro next pay
Very important to notice that the kick is in tune with the instruments.
Thank you for the video!
The intro we all deserved
@GeorgeTmusic so i just downloaded this GodP plugin and it definitely makes the whole mix a lot louder. Im getting ready to do a deep dive into it and go live playing with the features.
You’re of my biggest inspirations, thank you so much for sharing all this, Nick.
Great in depth review on TGP! I love this plugin, and now I understand more about why! Thank you sir!!!
anyone else noticed he made the video 8 min and 8 sec! 808 lol!
lol bro :) Im loving this intros. you got a good sense of humor my friend. expand on that if you can
Thank you so much for these highlights. Can't wait to see more.
bruh i love this intro every time i come here i find it so amusing lol
Trackspacer is very similar to soothe too, as far as being a great quick sidechain technique. Just like soothe, you can choose which frequencies are effected
Yeah whole time I watched this I just thought "I'll just use Trackspacer" way faster too
He actually uses trackspacer on his all music bus sidechained to the vocals
@@georgetmusic oh nice! That's a great idea
@@BrofUJu yeah use what you already have, soothe is just more controlled
Was thinking this
That intro was beautiful ! instant like! LOL
Is there any difference between manually trimming the 808s transients to give the kick space like he does, and just sidechaining it? Using laser sidechain for example does pretty much the exact same thing right?
Yes. manual volume automation does have more control in the sense that a compressor's release control is always dependent on the input (the kick). to get more control using a compressor, shape the input signal (the kick) by only letting in the top end of a kick, creating a sharper attack and release of the compressor since low end is usually more sustained, making the compressor clamp down for longer than maybe needed.
Use the duck plugin ! Has different envelope shapes!
Send a click to trigger Pro-C, super tight/clean sidechain.
I'd advise looking into baphometrix channel. He uses the best method imo, a ducker paired with an oscilloscope so you get the perfect sidechain
Of course there is no difference ) When you know what are you doing it doesn't matter what instrument you use.
Legend. Love your videos man!
Great video-- fantastic intro! Thanks for the knowledge
Glad you liked it!
Isn't using the Cableguys Kickstarter 2 (and now VolumeShaper in Shaperbox 3) , in audio mode, exactly the same thing as trimming down and copy / pasting on every 808 manually? You can see the waveform of the actual kick layered over your 808 and make a custom curve just as precise. No?
Yes. 1/10th the price too!
GOOD LOOKS, JUST GRABBED THAT FROM THIS COMMENT AND HALFTIME, FIRE PLUGS
Knock plugin bangs, what a put on bro!!!!
Yes I wish Jaycen showed more of how he was using it
Might cop tonight
How can you mix with just your right ear?
great video man, been using this for a while
Instead of Trimming the 808 I sidechain with Wavesfactory Trackspacer. Its perfect, precise and easy to use. The shit is like Parsley; I use it on EVERYTHING lolol.
im getting it next pay bro
WOULDNT TRACK SPACE DUCK THE ENTIRE 808? HE IS JUST DUCKING THE ATTACKS
Was that danger mouse over the headline shot? Sounded like dangerdoom
Gonna try that trim instead of sidechain
Thanks from Eastern Europe 👍🏻
4:44 when he says "the best sidechain in the game" is he talking about soothe?
Yes.
Dope don’t stop all this best music video🙏🙏🙏
Does this sidechain work for ghost kicks? I would only do that because it doesn't have a lookahead, unless it has a lookahead?
It would be kind of pointless for a ghost kick if you're just using a click sound. If it's a silent duplicate of the actual song's kick it would work, though.
where can we find those videos of him? it was a streaming? Is it on youtube?
jaycen sounds like hank hill and i cant unhear it
They key is that he uses a Drum Soft Clipper. That went over most of y’all’s head
Please explain the significance of a drum soft clipper.
lol man you are a fool for that intro i love it lol
Where can I find the full Jaycen's videos you use in your material?
Search Jaycen Joshua IG live
Awesome but bit confused though cause loair goes like an octave lower than knock?.. also is there some link or channel where you can be checking out all of Jaycens posts and tips or idk someplace where I can be completely up to date about all of his work/ideas?
Check his Instagram he used to post a lot of videos showing off different tips and tricks with the plugins he uses.
@@georgetmusic Thanks!
So use short kicks?
JJ is one my of favs, and I’m never opposed to knowledge. But I found using Ali’s method more effective, which is just EQ’ing the kick to taste so that it just cuts through your 808 🤷🏽♂️ less work, less plug ins. Plus you don’t lose any 808 information 😁🤝🏽
EXPLAIN OR SEND LINK
@@DreTheEngineer He did explain it. That's about as straight forward as it gets. EQ the kick so that it occupies its own space where the 808 isn't to inhibit masking effects between the two. That's what the EQ is for. That's how EQing has been done forever and should be done as a SOP because if you don't, instruments are going to mask one another all over the place creating a smeared, foggy and undifferentiated mix with poor instrument separation. What's the alternative? Setting up sidechain ducking EVERYWHERE as an alternative method of equalization that you could equate to a 1-band broad frequency dynamic EQ of sorts? I suppose you could do that in theory and I'm sure you could make it work but, it wouldn't be my first choice.
anyone know the piece playing in the beautiful intro?
doing all those trims manually?
thanks sm for this videos brooo
Always hype when u upload 💪🏼
Is there a clearer video or does someone know the soothe 2 settings he did for the bass? It’s blurry af lol
Soothe 2 settings: Hard | depth: 18 | selectivity: 6.4 | sharpness: 0 | Attack: fast | Release: 1.0 | set high pass 500hz with 24db/oct Q: .07 then side chain it to your kick
Stefan Reid talked about it long time ago
Hey George, where are the Videos originally from? Thanks!
The video is originally from a ig live stream Jaycen did and the video of him explaining is from Pensados place
Video length is a W
The vid of jaycen mixing live on ig does exist?
Someone posted it on TH-cam search Jaycen Joshua
Is he dipping that via gain automation or volume automation I'd assume from gain line is that correct
Yeah he's using clip gain
What the hell is Knock plugin he talking bout???
Knock by Decap
How is he using Soothe2 and MV2 as parallels and sidechains? Both those plugins have latency. Soothe2 in particular is very CPU intensive. I’m using Logic X. What am I missing here? Great video yet again btw.
I don't think you are missing anything. I once tried replicating his template, and one of the conclusions I came to is that he has a beast of a computer.
Idk how logic works but in protools you can turn on delay compensation that’s for plugins with latency and it keep everything in sync
Soothe isn’t parallel he uses it for side changing. For mv2 he has a parallel aux that he sends best elements to
Latency shouldn't effect anything you're doing while mixing. When you hit the spacebar in your DAW and start playback, the DAW should automatically calculate how much time is needed using delay compensation so everything stays in sync. Latency becomes an issue when tracking instruments or vocals. That's the whole deal with fighting latency. That also includes trying to play something in using MIDI. Once you've got a bunch of plugins and effects going, it's nearly impossible to punch in and start recording a guitar solo or play anything that requires you being locked into the groove. Playback though? Not a big deal.
@@Nightmooreinterfaces with direct monitoring are a must
knock? from plugins that knock?
Yes.
What qwerty keyboard is he using?
can someone please explain the 2dB thing he mentions in the video because i really don't get it
I interpret that he is using automation to drag the transient down -2db since he doesn’t need both the kick and 808 pumping at the same time because they cover the same part of the low end spectrum. So he saves 2db of headroom by carving 2db off the kick or 808 (forget which one he said he does it on). By saving that headroom he can then crank his mix up higher before the kick and 808, start to clip or distort in the limiter
Guys what’s up, I am a blind engineer, and believe me, I’m pretty talented, and would love to share my music, anyways the reason I’m riding is because I cannot follow along at all what he did on the preset for sooth, too, is there any chance that you could send me the presets so I can sidechain it to my Kik And base it would mean the world. Let me know if you guys can help me out. I use logic, and ProTools.
What is his preset on Soothe?
In the video
@@georgetmusic I couldn't make it out when I watched
Soothe 2 settings: Hard | depth: 18 | selectivity: 6.4 | sharpness: 0 | Attack: fast | Release: 1.0 | set high pass 500hz with 24db/oct Q: .07 then side chain it to your kick
edits are funny 🤣🤣 thanks for this
Video lenght 8.08, coincidence?
So he said Kick right Before bass ?
Couldn’t really understand
Then you weren't ready yet, two years ago. How have things progressed since then? Is what Jaycen was saying making more sense now after you've had some time to marinate? I'm not trying to be an ass, just genuinely curious how your mixing and understanding of concepts and techniques has progressed, two years on.
Isn’t his soothe2 technique similar to what Trackspacer does?
It is indeed
Similar, however, Soothe has more control. What do you think? Am I wrong?
Also Soothe2 has a delta function which can be used for creative purposes 😈
Yes it does! The plugs have different features & purposes….. but both can accomplish tunable side-chaining 🎛️
7:33 wave to the people
jesus that intro made me piss my pants laughing, best intro ever, was like poetry
🙏
anybody know what song he's working on here?
Her fight for you
Thx🙏🏻
why is the daw sound not line?
He’s streaming through ig live so the quality isn’t the best
U BEST!!!
i didnt understand how he uses KNOCK for the subharmonics
This intro funny af lol
Soothe's release is way too slow to be sidechaining an 808 to a kick, unless you want that pumpy sound.
5:25 Think hes referring to Knocktonal by DJ Swivel not 'the other knock' plugin ...
Nope. He's talking about Knock by "Plugins That Knock." He was comparing it to Waves' Air sub-bass enhancer and explaining that he thinks Knock is far superior. Knock has a sub boost front and center on its interface.
@@Nightmoore nah ... lol... that thing has been snake oiled all over the web.
This is just multiband sidechaining the kick against the bass. We’ve been doing this for decades, even on rock records.
Ok so I will do a little bass clipping with Nick Romeo kickstarter
The intro got me down 😂
That chair is stressin😅
I wish Soothe wasn't so damn expensive.
this is fire 👺🐐🔥 does anyone know what preset/starting point he used?
He shows his soothe preset in the video
Epic intro 😂😂😂😂😂
isn't it something. the music that requires at least 20 people to play with huge dynamic range and a brain like Beethoven's is used as a joke in the video. And at the same time, once in a while we struggle with our "pim-pum-pum" silly songy songs asking ourselves "how can I create the same dynamic range?
PRE-active. Not RE-active. Genius
Did you just cancel it out ? lol
that intro lmao
Whispering: "wave to the people..." Lol
kickstart 2 the easiest
Wow ok
Translate spanish bro 🙁❤️
Si
You’re welcome
Estaría muy piola bro, es un re laburoo igual jajaj lpm
@@sr.huncho6896 de hecho ya está disponible, la misma app TH-cam tiene subtítulos generados automáticamente!
Cue your bass phase issues…
Hmm, who's advice am I going to take?
A. Multi platinum mix engineer.
Or
B. Random TH-cam commenter.
🤔
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew basss maxing technique 🌎
Someone please translate this technique in FL
Basically just automate the volume of the 808 everytime the kick hits so that they don't both hit at the same time. You can use Fruity balance and automate the volume or you can automate the fader from the mixer. You can also automate the low end of the 808 everytime that the kick hits to simulate what soothe2 does. It just takes so much time to do all of this.
FL studio also have custom sidechain input, click on the gear icon (VST Wrapper Settings), then click "processing" and choose 1 in "Stereo Side Chain" box. Now, your custom plugin is able to receive sidechain information from mixer routing
@@Caoke honestly this blew my mind. I could do this in other DAWs, but I was too lazy to find out how to do this in FL Studio. Thank you!
@@adrianhernandez5555 you're welcome) but I myself, to be honest, use ableton, but I have worked long enough in fl studio to study it inside and out
5:59 JESUS MY EARS SHUT UP DUD
Nobody cares
Said nobody
Why is he facing sideways to the speakers though
will check out they website