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0:00 intro
0:33 slavery affected my family
4:27 racism is the main cause of poverty among black people in the USA
10:52 hip hop reinforces stereotypes
13:24 the American dream is only for white people
18:19 I trust law enforcement
21:31 we are obsessed with race in America
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Always wanted to hear this conversation, but without a black American woman there you're missing a significant perspective. The impact of American slavery and everything else (systemic racism, welfare system, etc) on the black American woman is profound.
thank YOU
Why are Africans doing better in America compared to black Americans?
Exactly what I was thinking
I can't believe they couldn't find a black American woman to speak on this topic. Swing and a miss Jubilee.
NO FOR REAL big fumble on Jubilee when there are countless texts easily available that talk about how Black women are ignored and overlooked in conversations about the Black experience
I appreciate that Elizabeth acknowledged that many Africans see African Americans as just complaining, but realized the nuances that exist on both sides. That was great to hear.
Mostly because a ton of Africans don't seriously study history in school until uni, if even then,much less the history of the United States and African Americans so the ones who make those type of statements are usually doing it from a place of ignorance. Often it takes them decades of lining in the US to realize certain things. Others know what to expect but choose to deal with racism like a sort of 'immigrant tax', the price for the American dream.
Because they are, very few people today have had their lives affected by slavery
@@twistedbliss58 Definitely segregation though. It wasn’t that long ago.
@@twistedbliss58 every single thing and everyone in America is affected by slavery that’s how the country even exists today. They are not “complaining” because they acknowledge that fact.
@@adrianna5378nobody age 30 or below have to deal with it though. Those are the main ones complaining.
My girlfriend spent 5 years of her life in prison for a crime she didn’t commit. She’s the sweetest most tender hearted person I know and even tho she has been home for years it still affects her every day. The criminal just systematically targets us and throws us away
im so sorry i hope shes doing better
I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine what that does to your spirit
LMFAO STOP THE CAP AND PLAYING THE VICTIM CARD LMFAO They had enough evidence to convince 12 jurors she did commit the crime or she supposedly had no choice but take a plea deal. SELF ACCOUNTABILITY
@@FactsOVERFeelings100Central Park 5 is enough proof for you to eat your words & choke on them. Research before you allow racism to lead you back to ignorance.
@@FactsOVERFeelings100 YUP. Definitely a lot of details missing from that story--conveniently.
I'm DEFINITELYYYY gonna need to come back & rewatch this because everyone's mind is evolving my own perception of society. I JUST LOVE SEEING STRONG, EDUCATED BLACK FOLK SPEAKING TRUTH !!!!!
You act like "educated black folk" are the anomaly.
@@dmoney_pimpslap I just love seeing the media coverage of it!! I go to an HBCU & I manage a trade school that teaches at risk youth life skills, so I’m constantly surrounded by very intellectual, promising individuals. Some people don’t have that opportunity, so it’s nice to see a video that shows the perception of educated POC.
@@dmoney_pimpslap in all honesty they are, that's just the truth
We need a African parents vs American parents episode, the chaos that would happen would be insane
The absolute chaos.
You are a officially a chaos bringer if this ever happens
I agree
YESSS
😊😊😊
Africans went through colonization and African Americans went through slavery. We all have different but some what similar histories. Also this group seem so intelligent and respectful.
agreed!
Africans were sold buy their own country so I guess they went through slavery too.
Africans also went through slavery; in fact, they played an integral part in creating the transatlantic slave trade.
Everybody went through Colonization and slavery.
@@thepubquiz3198 This video isn’t about everybody
This was very refreshing to watch. I'm happy to see progress in the unity of people of the diaspora. We must continue this conversation to know better and do better, my people
Not African or African American, but I am a First Gen Black (Caribbean) American. One thing I love about this conversation is that I relate to both camps, being perceived as and treated as an African American by society and having ingrained responsibility to pursue the American Dream to better support my family. This conversation gave me a lot to personally think about, this was a fantastic episode!
I thought most Caribbeans have African heritage
You’re a Caribbean American not a Black American
You aren’t black American at all you’re Caribbean American
@barbiedreamzown reason I say Black (Caribbean) American is because while I acknowledge that I am literally a Caribbean American, I am socialized as Black / African American by American society. With the exception of keen Caribbean people, nobody is thinking I am anything other than African American. That's just how it is growing up here, if you are Black then you are put in the bucket of being African American even though that history does not inherently apply to you. Especially since I am able to articulate myself in an "American" accent, have a White sounding name, do not overtly wear or use anything that ties me to my Caribbean identity, or have any specific ethnic features that may allude that I am anything other than African American.
Saying that I'm not a Black/African American doesn't make sense in that context. I am treated as one by society, so that is my lived experience. Even when I go back to the islands, they treat me as a foreigner despite my ethnic routes.
Intersectionality due to nationally makes ethnic/racial matters more complex than one may think.
@@lifeordeath9228 no you can identify however you want yet you chose to identify as one of the descendants of American chattel slavery.. you are NOT one of us! You have no ties to this land. You are neither a Black American or African American. You’re a Caribbean American. Accept your ethnicity. Be proud of your ethnicity and culture. Don’t cosplay our ethnicity and culture!
A conversation all black people will appreciate and have waited for
If you're African or African American.
Not at all.
@@ishy6875 Well... not all africans are black.
I’m not black but I appreciate and have learned a lot from this video
No I can give af what a African says
“But it’s still nothing compared to…”
“I wouldn’t want to minimize that pain, what you just said hurt me…”
I teared up. That’s how it should be nowadays. Instead of people putting down other marginalized groups history and gaslighting them with “well that was a long time ago” or “stop playing victim”
IKR??? White people make it sound so easy to move on. African Americans were enslaved for 400 years or more. Do they really expect healing can happen over night??? 😅 And it's not just slavery trauma African Americans are struggling with. They're also struggling with an identity crisis because their ancestors had to assimilate (more like erase) their culture and language.
Bunch of pussies
Yea that part touched me too. ❤
While it is tragic, they need to stop thinking they're the only ones that suffered. People of all races were slaves at one point or another and the transatlantic slave trade was NOT the worse of all-time. They need to start blaming their own people, the Africans that sold them to the Europeans for weapons. Blame the Jews that owned and operated the ships that brought them over. Staying in the victimhood mentality will always give them a reason to blame others rather than taking action of their own lives to better themselves and their culture.
@@heyitsbroski chattel slavery is nothing like the other forms of slavery and nobody said we were the only ones. The fact that other people were slaves does not minimize what we’ve been through when those scars and the affects are literally still here today. There were wars fought to get us back and some slaves were prisoners beforehand. And damn ok blame everyone except the white colonizers? Jews didn’t have as big of a role as you think
I think the conversation was beautiful from cousins to cousins, understanding each others walk by sharing our shoes, bring us closer together and expand our respect-one-to-The-other ❤
love seeing intellectual conversations like this. great episode!
As an African I appreciate the efforts of African Americans for fighting for the betterment of all black people in America. Without that fight us Africans would not be benefiting from these benefits.
Thank you! That seems to be lost on some, as the only welcomed immigrants for decades were from European countries. Without the African American fight, there would be no African immigrants.
This is true, without the fight, Africans would be sent back to Africa and not even allowed the benefit of a better life, bullied, etc. All the things blacks went through would be put on Africans and it would be horrific, so the fight was worth it in the end. I do believe Black America has gotten way better for blacks.
What benefits?
@@merrytunes8697 YES!! Sometimes it's so difficult to explain this to people for some reason.
@@merrytunes8697 oh men thank you oh afro american but we are the richest black we also suceed thanks to our work
Freedom isn't just physical. It's also mental. You can be physically free and mentally enslaved to an ideology or something you have been through
Very true
preach
Or even mentally enslaved to something someone else has been through
So how do you get out of it..... is it not by just being honest with yourself, instead of just blaming people.
That is totally true.
I thoroughly enjoyed this panel. It is so interesting to hear their perspective and the stereotypes they have about us. I was pleased to see that once they heard the other out and put themselves in their shoes they were able to understand better. Such a wonderfully diverse and intelligent group of people. I think we should have way more discussions like this on higher platforms where some changes can actually be made. This world has turned into such a hateful horrible place and I’m afraid of where we are going…..
We need more conversations like this. Everyone speaking with respect & understanding. I love it 🖤🖤🖤
It is so refreshing to see an actual dialogue with no screaming, yelling, name-calling, or cutting people off mid-sentence. I loved the mutual respect!
That's yt behavior. Since there are none present, you see civility.
@@deejay7339 That’s racist
@@0Honey_Nut_Cheetos0 facts can't be racist
@@deejay7339 What about your comment is factual? Watch you not respond, avoid the question, or straight up lie.
@@0Honey_Nut_Cheetos0 All of my comment is factual. ✅ And nice job thumbs upping yourself in a min lmao.
As a black person born and raised in America with a Nigerian dad, this conversation is really great to see.
Yes, same here! I have a Nigerian dad and American mom
Do you consider yourself African American?
@@miurtouissi1093 I'm also a Nigerian raised in America. I don't consider myself African American because I'm truly not a direct descendant of slaves. Culturally though, Im a mix (I grew up under AA influences outside but at home, it was all Nigerian). It gets a bit complicated. but I consider myself a Nigerian simply living in America
@@maryb.5668 this is interesting. I'm Canadian from the Caribbean and I consider myself Canadian. I've always wondered how other black people from the diaspora living in the USA felt about their identity since AA have a strong culture and history but also being born in America for most makes you American. I guess I thought you would always see yourself as a Nigerian American but then I would also understand not since I would say I'm Canadian. I guess the slavery aspect of it is part of AA identity. I hadn't thought about that since I myself am a descendant of slaves.
It comes down to Parenting/Mindset/Culture (PMC), not race. Africans/Caribbean tend to be more successful because of PMC, that places high value on Godly morals, hard work and education, etc. Similar to Asians and other groups. Victim vs Victor mentality!
Very insightful discussions that were needed for some time. Reading other people's comments about the panel clearly impacted their perspectives, unexpectedly. The panel handled themselves well.
I loooooooved this conversation! So not what I was expecting. I love that everyone didn’t “sloganize”
And spoke straight from their own experience, knowledge and heart.
As Africans, we experience a very deep level of discrimination where there are divides amongst the people. There's a quote that says, "When brothers fight each other, outsiders inherit their property." And that is exactly what happens.
Yessssss!!!! I agree with this 100%
Y’all created it tho
Love that quote. I feel like it's applicable in every culture
When brothers sell their brothers
Fixed it for you
Despots divide to conquer. Always have
I can’t help but feel there was a lost opportunity to include a black American woman. Other than that, very insightful and fascinating conversation.
I agree and would've loved for a conversation between the women about racism in healthcare with those perspectives
Yes, I thought about that too. When they were talking about a divide in African American communities, I wish there was a black woman, who experience/seen colorism to speak about it.
@@zibz_art maybe they will repeat this episode and talk more about specific industries and racism. Retail, hospitality, healthcare, etc.
@@zibz_art the American African American would've fucked that up
@@Curdii. I am not sure why you would think that... strange...
i love this so much and this is my second video that ive seen with elizabeth. i just love her personality and wisdom.
I loved this conversation! I loved the many differences in the room and how everyone was able to disagree but still respect each other.
This episode is how Africans and African Americans should be towards each other. I loved how open and accepting everyone was towards the different opinions. As someone who is African American, it does feel like there is a divide between us when there shouldn't be. I wish as a whole we could be more like this. Great conversation guys!
but if you listen to the answers, you can hear how the Africans are grateful to the White Americans and that is what make us different. they have abandoned their homeland to do the white man's bidding and undermine the Black American struggle for reparations and liberation.
@@sasazamami well said
cause we didnt create the divide
@@sasazamami stop whining
@@angela7014 where you from?
as an nigerian american, i appreciate this conversation it’s something we need to continue.
nigérian american how does that make sense
@@itsprincipe Actually makes a lot more sense than saying "African American," "American," or even ""European." Neither of those are countries, they're continents. Nigeria's a country, so is the US, and so is Spain, just to name three. So yeah, OP specifying they're Nigerian American makes perfect sense. At least to me.
@@itsprincipe it’s like Italian American, it’s a country within a continent. Like Nigeria is a country within the continent of Africa.
@@umiprincesscosplay What are you talking about?
@@religiohominilupus5259 ok so would they be from america but their half nigerian or what
I agree with Prosper and Elizabeth love what they were saying.💜
I’m so glad to see Elizabeth back❤
As an African, I also think that because we are immigrants and had the choice of coming to America, that experience in itself will be quite different from African Americans who were initially forced to come over and went through generations of being in a system that didn’t allow them to have opportunities for career growth . Most African immigrants WHO do come over, have at some capacity exposure to education, work experience or connections. Not saying there are Africans who don’t come to America struggling but coming over to America requires most immigrants (especially African immigrants)to have some sort of aspect that makes them “valuable” for them to even attain a visa. I really don’t like when people try to say that Africans are more “successful” than AA cause we work harder and are not lazy. AA are just as successful but there are still families that are still going through that cycle of poverty and trauma due to slavery. While most Africans who happen to migrate to America with a set plan with high exposure are probably going to be successful anyways and instill that in their children. Comparing both groups in numbers regarding success misrepresents it cause keep in mind there are Africans back home who are also still trying to break cycles of poverty. So I’m just saying that immigrant experience is very much distinct than that of AA experience.
Very well said 👏🏽
So well said!
Completely agree. The US government does not select just anyone to come to the US, since many people would come here and be burdens on US society. They select people who have already demonstrated that they can persevere and achieve some level of success in their own countries. These are people who have already *proven* to be ambitious and talented in their own countries, but just need the tools of a first world country to really reach their potential. These are the kinds of people the US selects. Thus, immigrants in general (not just Africans) are more successful than *all* native-born Americans (not just African Americans) because they were selected specifically for accomplishments they've already made before they even got here. That's certainly a compliment to immigrant populations, but it's not reflective of their cultures in general.
@@anyaw340 Exactly💯👏🏽👏🏽
You definitely hit the nail on the head.
One of the best (and probably the most respectful) Middle Ground episodes to date
💯
yeah because it was two of the same race homie. You just don’t see people liking white mfs anymore even tho they weren’t there during slavery you know?
It is
Mesmo 😂😅
Uh, wym? By the end of the video "white" people = still bad, which
makes the whole video low IQ. The USA had a black president for 8 years.
One of the most respectful discussions I’ve seen on this channel. Great job!
I love it.. This is a balanced conversation. This was done correct.
One of the most chill Middle Ground episodes. There's no major arguing and fighting, just some understanding and calm talking and laughing. It's refreshing.
Honestly they should add in the casting the requirement of letting others talk and not interrupt. It gets so annoying I’ve stopped watching videos that was interested in because the people arguing would just shout at each other
As a polish person, I would love to see more episodes with people outside of USA
this ^
This is a US channel
@@BitchChill yeah, but an european episode would be so nice. Like to have people from different countries there to talk.
@@BitchChill Yet they got African people for this episode
@@necrom4454what?
Watching from Nigeria and I'll say this is one of the best video I've watched and about racism part it is not something I'll ignore because if i face racism I'll be affected physically, mentally and emotionally
People complain but no one likes hearing ppl complaining, everyone has struggles. Asian struggles too everyone has issues don’t be cry baby
goodness. everyone here is very insightful, intelligent, and they know how to have a proper discussion without being rude, interrupting, or disrespecting others. the best middle ground group hands down.
🤡
@@triple_gem_shining ?
@Mike Tython 🛑 that
Maybe they meant her pfp
@@milk6- my FKA twigs pfp?
I'm glad they had an older person's perspective. I wish there were an older perspective on the African side. All in all, this conversation was so healthy and insightful! 🙏🏾
That would have been amazing. Our African grandparents have stories to tell, stories of the excruciating pain they went through under the colonial rule. There are some freedom fighters still alive in Kenya, and I doubt any of them wants to hear the name of the late queen, sorry to say
i absolutely agree. an episode with elders of different cultures on the question of “how is life better/worse now than before” would be extremely insightful and educational
Yupp
They also need a woman on the AA side..
I love this one. Great conversation.
It breaks my heart that racism is still a thing in this country. I legitimately thought that racism was something of the past when I learned about it in detail back in high school. It wasn't until my late 20's-early 30's that I started seeing that this crap was alive and well. I come from European decent with an eighth indigenous American and 3% African blood. I'm mixed up and so is everyone else.
I wish people would recognize this, grow up, and let the hate go. Look at the big picture and realize that we are beautiful creatures sharing a tiny, little planet. I wish we could figure out how to look out for each other and play fair. There is no room for racism in my world-view.
This was an amazing conversation ! Thank you. Kai is a Gem xxoo
I think as black people, we need more of these conversations with each other. Black people all over need this. It helps us understand each other more.
Africans are Africans. Afro Americans are black people. Just Afro Americans.
Ya ✊🏾✊🏿
" Black people all over need this"
Nope, not the privileged blacks in countries where they're the dominant majority; the privileged dominant majority should not play identity politics.
oh so now they are the privileged ones? not the americans that have acess to everything they need and yet still cry ? @@someanimefan5990ps: i'm not talking about the video
@@someanimefan5990 Those and Conservative blacks are exactly who need to be a part of these conversations. Otherwise, you will only be in your own bubble and will never find alternatives or different points of view that could help Africans grow as a community.
"Race isn't an obsession, it's a distraction..." - Very true!!
Race is the law of the land.
It's a distraction when your obsessed with it
yes
I have a suspicion that differences in skin color, etc. are simply excuses to rally the masses (perhaps the only people who actually care about those things) of their respective nations behind them, but the elite know the real division in society: haves and have-nots.
@@TychoKingdom where?
that stock analogy was brilliant
A most beautiful conversation, threading connection in our frayed world
I love how Kai turned that statement about race obsession around.
The reason why race is such a prominent conversation in America is in fact b/c laws were based on race and oppressing others for hundreds of years.
You can’t hit someone repeatedly in the face and then say “let’s just move on”
Wakanda Forever movie definitely had a hand in this happening because Africans and black Americans need to come together
@@suzygirl1843 I also think people completely missed the fact that Wakanda itself is supposed to be before Africa was colonized. So that’s why it’s an array of Black African folks in the movie. Like Winston Duke is from Trinidad. Letitia is Guyanese-British & the list just goes on & on. I think Ryan Coogler tried to included every ethnicity from the African Diaspora in the movie.
THIS
the black people alive now did not get to experience laws that were based on race so what are u saying
@@yungmetr0135You’re acting as if the 60’s was over hundreds of years ago. Both of my parents were born BEFORE the civil rights movement. Not to mention my grandparents. MANY black people alive today have experienced laws based on slavery. And they still trickle into our laws today. Also my generation( in my family) is the first since the civil rights movement, so we aren’t far removed at all.
I appreciated Elizabeth (Nigerian sista) because she acknowledged the negative way that many Africans feel about black/African-Americans but also confessed that through experience and research she was able to develop a more well rounded understanding. Hearing Africans say that their families are back home dying to come to America really makes me sad whenever I hear it cuz it should really be the other way around. We should be dying to come there.
Do they not teach this at school?
@Gleeful Glock bro who are you to say what I can and can not survive!? Once again, you fools continue to act like yall are better just because you don't use deodorant.
@Derrick Bol Yakwa 6’3 Most 😉
@@derrickbolyakwa6395I’m an African American that just found her roots(Tikar of Cameroon) via AfricanAncestry test and I appreciate that. I love y’all fr! 🫶🏽
@@isaiahprater8325 😂😂😂 "Because you don't use deodorant" you're shameless, read a book abeg. You're uninformed
This is a wonderful and much needed conversation
I loved this discussion. I wish it would happen more often.
Elizabeth is just amazing
How she puts her African perspective to her American life is beautiful
Kudos from 🇰🇪🇰🇪
I’m Nigerian and what Black Americans have done. Should be applauded more. They are great, talented people.
I agree 100% . They deserve more credit and understanding. They are amazing and strong.❤️Im Eritrean.
The impact of slavery on law, generational wealth, self-esteem, culture, and relationships with whites today all come from slavery.
And Africans would NOT be able to come to America and thrive without the sacrifices of American black people (civil rights movement, etc.). Do Africans really know and understand what people went through during the time of Jim Crowe and the horrific things people had to go through for basic rights, and African people just come to benefit off of all of that hard work??? Yes, it definitely needs to be applauded much more!
Thank u We really appreciate it seems its easier for ppl to just hate first vs educate themselves and understand
@@travelpro23 Why do you feel so attacked.
Like you are being so passive-aggressive.
"African people just come to benefit off of all of that hard work"
Both sides suffered, for your information.
Beautifully done and expressed!! This made me proud to look like both sides 😅
We need to do this more. I tell my friends from Africa to stop judging Africans from America. We been through a lot. Miseducation, trauma, economic depreciation and terror. All of this was done to divide and conquer. Great video!
Best video they have posted. The Africans & African Americans really needed this conversation.
I Agree
I agree with this
Thanks for letting me be apart of this episode Jubilee!
Lance, hi.
I respect and agreed with what you had to say💯
U did so well 🎉
Heyy
@@DaddyM7MD hi
❤we need to practice this more often its uplifting and binding.. we could be the 1st race to come up with such beautiful stuff as always..
This is lovely and everyone was open minded they came to give perspectives and learn understandings
I'm not black, not African, not American and not white. So as a total outsider to this conversation, i really appreciate how everyone was so understanding of each other's points and there was no angry dismissiveness. Gained a lot of perspective.
And black Americans ain't African! But some Africans ancestry is from America!
@@corythegoat2745 literally all black people are originally from Africa, what are u on abt
@@corythegoat2745black americans have african ancestry and how would african people have ancestry from america
they’d be mixed
Thanks for taking the time to watch. Means a lot that you seek understanding and not judgement. Cool human 😊
As an African American, this conversation needs to happen
As an African I agree
It already happened.
@@jasmine-kg7dd he probably meant needed excuse his grammar
African Americans have many excuses. Africans dont have the luxury of excuses.
This conversation has been ongoing and tiresome there are entire chanels dedicated specifically for this
What a beautiful and respectful discussion
As a Black British, this was a beautiful discussion!
I want to see a British version of this
As a native from Aotearoa , I’d love to see “progressive Native Americans vs traditional Native American”
😂😭😭
interesante @Jesse Ross
Where?
@@MB-mg6ky I'm confused what's so funny?
You mean $5 Indians vs Traditional Mongoloid Native Americans? 😂😂 that would be so awesome
Finally. The most requested video on Jubilee. This video was requested multiple times by multiple people for YEARS, and Finally it's here.
True
Ikr people have been waiting for ages
I thought they would never make it
@@itsonlytherain736 I thought that they wasn’t gonna make it too.
Idk about y’all, but I’m disappointed
So wholesome 🤗 and the Nigerian lady made a lot of sense
I like how it's been understated throughout this conversation that if you don't know much about a certain history but choose to educate yourself on it, you'll comprehend it. Whether you are African and have personal experience with colonialism and neo-colonialism or African American and have your fair share of experience with the systematic prejudice from the White Supremist system.
I'm Kenyan, and I've always wondered why growing up, the media made me feel inadequacies about my skin color, hair, and so on, and why I unknowingly longed for what I wasn't. Now, being on the anti-racist journey of educating myself on the past is helping me make sense of so much that I'd have otherwise been blind to, and the bigger role these things play in propagating the white supremist narrative. I'm even beginning to understand where so many inequalities in colonised countries stem from, and this helps me in unpacking how I want to serve and contribute in the world!
To quote Neely Fuller Jr, “If you do not understand White Supremacy (Racism)-what it is, and how it works-everything else that you understand will only confuse you.”
Guys to be honest I am so glad . I have been wanting an African and African American middle ground vid to come out and finally it has happened . Sending love from 🇺🇬 Uganda .
Hello Sis, another Ugandan 🇺🇬 here!
❤🇺🇬
Kataala and Nakataala😂
I’m happy They been reading the comments because we all been asking!!!! :-)
I’m so happy to have been part of this episode 😊
you were amazing!
Love your take on the American dream
You were amazing!! I actually loved your insight 😊
Are you planning on building up your home country?
@@ivyrainbitch why you replying to every comment? get a job bro.
i love this video omg😩yall ATEEEEEE
Whoa all this hit hard great show hit home when proper says Richmond VA my home
I really wish there was someone from the Caribbean in this conversation. I feel we have a unique perspective as African descendants. Hopefully there's an opportunity for that to him in the future.
Big up to yout dem!
I was thinking that as well!
Even Afro Canadian
@@anne-juliest-leger948 Who? Nobody cares about Canada.
@@youtubesucks1821 😂
Very informative conversation. I am African and what prosper said about Tribalism is very accurate. The 'racism' we face here in Africa is in the form of 'Tribalism'. I am glad both sides acknowledge each others pain and points of view.
I had an Ethiopian friend. Beautiful girl. The Caribbean black girls hated her for being so beautiful. One time they tried fighting her at a club, they threw drinks at her. She would get the same hate from non African black girls. May she R.I.P.
So it’s not racism it’s self hate and the lack of a common identity and ideology with you guys !
Similar but tribalism is not the same thing as racism
@@Touchedbygod122 Quick question, where are you from?
I ask this because just like we Africans cannot speak on racism(because we rarely rarely experience is first hand) if you haven't experienced tribalism first hand (like most Africans have,especially in my country) you shouldn't have such a "bold" opinion on it. While they are not exactly the same thing,they have similar effects on communities/people.
@@magdalinenjeri5262
Colorism is a form of tribalism
We also have different demographics within the black community
Afro Latin
Creole
And all other kind of mixture bi-racial
That don’t classify themselves as solely black! Because of the exotic fetishized culture in the community from slavery la casta , platoons and quadroons . Just like the Indian caste system !!
You should study more history!!
We also were apart of an African tribe before slavery!!!
So we can speak to the experience of tribalism!! Try again!
Yes Tribalism is Africa’s biggest threat of racism is sad
I thought dude in the orange was legit From Africa 😂 I mean we our African but his blood line seems to be strong his features are very beautiful!
i loved this soooo much! I LOVE MY PPL .. ALL OF YOUUUUU
So proud to represent my community in this episode and those among us who may not be the first ones invited to the conversation. So much love for all the people involved in this and love my African fam
Love you too Kai. I wish we would all come back together and be brothers and sisters like we used to be. 🖤🖤
Really, really enjoyed you Kai. Blessings to you.
When you said your last name is king that brought tears in my eyes , I remember visiting the UK and there’s a large number of Caribbean people there and me coming from South Africa it was a shock to see how they all had slaves names and last names at that point I knew slavery was real😢
Your contributions were brilliant, and this cohort gives one hope for Black unity! Peace and blessings!
👏👏 It was such a great episode and very interesting. Thank you for your insights! Great point about how race obsession is a white supremacy issue.
I loved how Kai couldn't stop laughing at Elizabeth's jokes. You can always see him in the frame laughing when Elizabeth was being funny, he seems to appreciate her humor a lot lol 8:32 12:21
And 23:00 :)
I caught that too😂
Yea I saw that too Nigerians can be so funny without even trying
@@williamchimezie7423 facts haha
@@williamchimezie7423 Facts.
Damn everyone was eating this debate up! Props to all, I'm so proud!
19:58 Kai, so well said! I Agree with you, I have never been able to put it like that before
The energy in the video feels calm, it's like the two groups of people feel safe around each other
Safe? Why because they’re all black? Nonsense, you’re statistically more likely to be attacked by someone who looks like you. I’m black and i don’t see this imaginary racism these people are talking about, I’m more afraid of someone that looks like me VS somebody who doesn’t.
No yt that's why. Perfect.
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I can appreciate that.
family moment
I’m from Senegal and I applied to be on this episode because these topics are so interesting. The people chosen were great. In high school I wanted nothing more than to share Africa with African Americans. Although many rejected me and mocked me for my background, some accepted me and l cherish those relationships greatly. I wish for African Americans to understand that we are truly not that different from each other. Hating each other fuels the fire of hatred that slavery and colonization created which means we lose in the end while they laugh at our demise. I wouldn’t be here freely as an African if it weren’t for your struggles. Let’s work as a team and make our ancestors proud. It’s a family reunion ❤
How do you apply
Yeah, some of our ancestors came from Senegal as well actually looking at DNA tests. I'd love to learn more. Im glad the Camaroonian gentlemen was there.
One of my best friends is from Senegal.
@@vilheard3030 oh wow! It’s nice having friends from all walks of life.
@@sparklesp9304 yeah the door of no return is in Senegal and so many slaves were taken from there as well 😢. I’m glad he was there also he had some great points.
This was a great conversation.
Pop was so on point, I would like to have a very long conversation with him
I rarely comment on TH-cam videos but I’m Nigerian and I want to commend Elizabeth because I feel like she explained how I feel perfectly. Especially when she said it’s easier for Africans to downplay racism because we don’t understand it. I mean we may understand it but you don’t fully understand something unless you have been through it. It’s easy to think “why’re you complaining when you literally have water?!” And not think about how everyone has struggles and Racism is a struggle black Africans have gone through. We have all suffered, no one’s suffering is less. It is all painful at the end of the day.
I wouldn’t say I completely understand racism now but I am grateful for every black American who fought through resilience and effort to open doors for all black/African people because without them we would not have Africans in America at this point seeking opportunities.
They didn’t fight for anything without them Africans would still come with America stop acting weak
@@tylergriffin2499 I just stated my thoughts on it lmao. Don’t be so pained
@@onye9618 why would I be pained ? And lord knows you no African stop the cap
@@tylergriffin2499 you’re obviously pained because you’re here this early in the morning trying to invalidate my opinions. Why you think I’m not African is beyond me. I clearly stated that I am a Nigerian in the comment and I also just moved. Not you coming for me when you literally have the most English name ever. Tyler, abeg find peace with yourself and stop replying strangers comment. I wish you well
That idea is so small minded also some people in America do not have access to clean water.
But going back to the first idea. We do not stop fighting for better just because others have it worse. That's makes absolutely no sense to say oh people have it worse than me so I'm not gonna fight to make life better for me and my children. Why settle for less than you deserve.
I think you don't get it because Black Americans are Americans we have the American spirit the American culture. We want the American dream we want luxury we want excess we are willing to work hard so we can play hard and we don't settle. Being idealistic is very American.
Skipp’s point about supporting community vs supporting the system was something that I never had really thought of, very accurate point
Same! I never saw it this way before.
Best thing I’ve seen on You Tube 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
As African it always irritates me when other Africans say AA's complain too much about racism in America not understanding the history of AA's and how it's still connected systemically to what's happening today when it cames to how they're unfairly treated disproportionately in incarceration, housing, poverty or even getting a loan from the bank. As a Somali I'm very thankful for AA's their voices matter. The sacrifices they made directly benefits us. What some don't understand is what happens in America directly affects the rest of us. The U.S government has huge amount of controll and leverage over the continent of Africa. Only the politician's and the leaders they choose will stay in power as they will use their unlimited resources to manipulate and instigate till they get the outcome they desire in Which is based solely on exploitation.
@Blessing You're not seeing this thru clear eyes the wide spread inequality practices that was implemented against their ancestors for generations is the root cause and there is a direct link between poverty and crime.
@Blessing it’s part of the problem the reason why crime rates are high in black communities is the lack of resources they just did a study saying if black Americans receive reparations the crime rate will go down drastically!
@@Jeff-xv6gk She is only seeing the smaller picture. There list of issue why things are way they are. There was governmental policy to undermine black people in American for a long time and when it comes to crime rates AA's are always under the scope black neighborhoods are Patrolled more racist judge's, profiling, stop and frisk etc ...
@Blessing build upbyour home countries African booty scratcher
@@TopS7You people never take accountability, you're clowns
As an African person I really appreciate that they made this video. Bc I've always felt like Africans and African-Americans are really different in a lot of ways.
Edit: I didn't mean to start a whole fight in the comment section, I just wanted to highlight my experience of living in the USA and seeing how different Africans and African-Americans are. Like their behavior and how they talk primarily 😭
We are
We had to fight for our rights and while we were doing that the Africans waited until the smoke clear to come over and reap the benefits off the slave ancestors.
Africa isn’t homogeneous hence why somalis don’t like ethopia. East Africa has interacted for with the middle east and Africa than west Africa. Skin pigmentation has nothing to do with culture
@@reggiemiller6274 ohh this 🙌🏽 they really would never understand our struggles!
We are n that's ok
Such an awesome conversation
Beautiful conversation
We need a Haitian and Dominican conversation like this
I would pay to see that conversation
No we dont…. Both of those countries are equally corrupt poorly ran by their own country people… enough said… you can say that about each country in the Caribbean… they are poorly ran by Godless children of the Devil.
Now THAT would be a great conversation.
Wooosh they not ready for that.
Great idea
it would be really interesting if you could do a “North Africans vs Middle Easterns”. especially after all the heated conversations that surfaced during this Qatar world cup
That sounds like it could be very dangerous lol
That sounds like it could be very interesting
Yeah ok like the Arabs are going to take any accountability.
@@zuki7776 there are some north africans who identify as only arab then there are north africans who just identify as amazigh and african. some arabs try to claim north africans especially during the FIFA World Cup as Morocco came close to the finals.
@@zuki7776 yes you are correct. it’s just that some north africans do not like being called arab because they are amazigh.
Very enlightening. Looking forward to having an African parents version vs African American parents version. An insightful conversation that would be.
October 17th 2023. This was a needed conversation. Someone mentioned that there should have been an African American woman on the panel , and I agree. Would’ve brought a different perspective.
As a Nigerian myself, with cousins that are African American , this was really cool to see.
Coming from Cameroon, new in the us, facing tribalism, racism, and so much question that have been opened here... I thank you guys for this conversation. I actually needed it
Hi namesake, lol. My name is Inès too.
It's sad to see black Americans hating Africans, while we welcome them to Africa 😢
Africa has racism too
Get ready to hurt and not want to live, let alone live here. Be sure to go outside frequently
me too 🇨🇲 🇨🇲!!
As an African-American in Atlanta, I have these conversations all of the time with African friends and their friend groups. I feel fortunate to have the upbringing and point of view that I do. It really helps in these conversations.
The word slave comes from the word slav. The fa t is there were more white slaves in africa than black slaves in america...
@@nova77791 where's the proof
@@dondrickdem just wiki it. Fairly easy if u really want to know
@@dondrickdem u cant copy links to utube. But u can also look up the term in the dictionary.. if u dont even bother to look it means ud just prefer to stay in ignorance as it fulfillls a belief
@@nova77791 wiki is not a reliable source, speaking from research experience and working at libraries
Ngl the older gentleman had some amazing comments. Not all aspects of thinking are alike with me. However, very well spoken.
That was quite interesting thank you all for sharing your experience and views. I'm from Indian heritage and grew up in several African countries. I have an interest in cultural diversity so I do ask people where they are from as a way to get to know them
As a black brazilian, I thank you guys for this open conversation, very clarifying
Are you single?
@@sandman62100nah bro ur down terrible
nunca, nunca
Just saying hello to my sister from Brazil. I really think it’s long past time for a stronger connection between African Brazilians (I don’t know how you all refer to yourselves) and African American because I truly believe in we are the only two groups of African people who can understand each other’s struggles.
@@MikeyLikesIt89 and afro-colombian too
"We're just living in the ripple effects of the stones that were cast in the pond of history" Beautifully said!!!
It really hit me too
That line was everything!
DAYUM
I love this. It's an awesome convo
This was a great conversation
As a South African, I'm happy that Lethabo is representing us.
I am too. I was getting tired of seeing similar things and south Africa is represented by Whites
She was great
And she wasn’t whiteeee😭😭😭
@@rachele6844 woah