Always wanted to hear this conversation, but without a black American woman there you're missing a significant perspective. The impact of American slavery and everything else (systemic racism, welfare system, etc) on the black American woman is profound.
NO FOR REAL big fumble on Jubilee when there are countless texts easily available that talk about how Black women are ignored and overlooked in conversations about the Black experience
I appreciate that Elizabeth acknowledged that many Africans see African Americans as just complaining, but realized the nuances that exist on both sides. That was great to hear.
Mostly because a ton of Africans don't seriously study history in school until uni, if even then,much less the history of the United States and African Americans so the ones who make those type of statements are usually doing it from a place of ignorance. Often it takes them decades of lining in the US to realize certain things. Others know what to expect but choose to deal with racism like a sort of 'immigrant tax', the price for the American dream.
@@twistedbliss58 every single thing and everyone in America is affected by slavery that’s how the country even exists today. They are not “complaining” because they acknowledge that fact.
Africans went through colonization and African Americans went through slavery. We all have different but some what similar histories. Also this group seem so intelligent and respectful.
We're not "obsessed" with where you're from, we're "interested" in where you're from. When a person sees or hears something different than what they experience all the time, it piques their interest. It is human nature to want to learn about new things and experiences.
So then many africans shouldnt talk down to african americans like they are better or we are just spoiled, africans have never experienced or went thru what AA went thru and same goes for AA about Africans
“But it’s still nothing compared to…” “I wouldn’t want to minimize that pain, what you just said hurt me…” I teared up. That’s how it should be nowadays. Instead of people putting down other marginalized groups history and gaslighting them with “well that was a long time ago” or “stop playing victim”
IKR??? White people make it sound so easy to move on. African Americans were enslaved for 400 years or more. Do they really expect healing can happen over night??? 😅 And it's not just slavery trauma African Americans are struggling with. They're also struggling with an identity crisis because their ancestors had to assimilate (more like erase) their culture and language.
While it is tragic, they need to stop thinking they're the only ones that suffered. People of all races were slaves at one point or another and the transatlantic slave trade was NOT the worse of all-time. They need to start blaming their own people, the Africans that sold them to the Europeans for weapons. Blame the Jews that owned and operated the ships that brought them over. Staying in the victimhood mentality will always give them a reason to blame others rather than taking action of their own lives to better themselves and their culture.
@@heyitsbroski chattel slavery is nothing like the other forms of slavery and nobody said we were the only ones. The fact that other people were slaves does not minimize what we’ve been through when those scars and the affects are literally still here today. There were wars fought to get us back and some slaves were prisoners beforehand. And damn ok blame everyone except the white colonizers? Jews didn’t have as big of a role as you think
It is so refreshing to see an actual dialogue with no screaming, yelling, name-calling, or cutting people off mid-sentence. I loved the mutual respect!
This episode is how Africans and African Americans should be towards each other. I loved how open and accepting everyone was towards the different opinions. As someone who is African American, it does feel like there is a divide between us when there shouldn't be. I wish as a whole we could be more like this. Great conversation guys!
but if you listen to the answers, you can hear how the Africans are grateful to the White Americans and that is what make us different. they have abandoned their homeland to do the white man's bidding and undermine the Black American struggle for reparations and liberation.
@@miurtouissi1093 I'm also a Nigerian raised in America. I don't consider myself African American because I'm truly not a direct descendant of slaves. Culturally though, Im a mix (I grew up under AA influences outside but at home, it was all Nigerian). It gets a bit complicated. but I consider myself a Nigerian simply living in America
@@maryb.5668 this is interesting. I'm Canadian from the Caribbean and I consider myself Canadian. I've always wondered how other black people from the diaspora living in the USA felt about their identity since AA have a strong culture and history but also being born in America for most makes you American. I guess I thought you would always see yourself as a Nigerian American but then I would also understand not since I would say I'm Canadian. I guess the slavery aspect of it is part of AA identity. I hadn't thought about that since I myself am a descendant of slaves.
It comes down to Parenting/Mindset/Culture (PMC), not race. Africans/Caribbean tend to be more successful because of PMC, that places high value on Godly morals, hard work and education, etc. Similar to Asians and other groups. Victim vs Victor mentality!
As an African I appreciate the efforts of African Americans for fighting for the betterment of all black people in America. Without that fight us Africans would not be benefiting from these benefits.
Thank you! That seems to be lost on some, as the only welcomed immigrants for decades were from European countries. Without the African American fight, there would be no African immigrants.
This is true, without the fight, Africans would be sent back to Africa and not even allowed the benefit of a better life, bullied, etc. All the things blacks went through would be put on Africans and it would be horrific, so the fight was worth it in the end. I do believe Black America has gotten way better for blacks.
Im glad my parents came from a 3rd world country (Tonga) rented 1 room from an elderly white lady with my grandparents and older 2 siblings in the 70s. Poor with no english in a new country they cleaned homes, collected cans in the streets and fast forward 50 years today all 6 of my siblings are homeowners and 4 are business owners. We gather every year at my parents rented home(50 year renter's in the same home) in Los Angeles and celebrate the American dream our parents struggled for so that we can live. No complaining, no freeloading, no laziness. Just born from hustlers to hustle. The dream is there for dreamers, staying in a nightmare is a choice.
I’m a descendant of a southern slave owner. My ancestors on my mother’s side were very wealthy people back in the early to mid 19th century. Probably some of the wealthiest people in the state at the time. My great grandfather owned 5 plantations, and some of those plantations were used in the film Django. I don’t know what happened to all of that money because I grew up poor AF. On my father’s side, I have Native American ancestors who had their land taken from them, and come to find out there was oil on that land. Even if things played out differently, someone would have spent that money way before it trickled down to me. Ain’t no sense of complaining about something that happened almost 200 years ago.
This whole video was so well spoken. Some of the things said about how we are just reacting and living in the ripples of the stone that was thrown in the pond of history was so well spoken. Lots of these things were spoken and it was things that I also agree with a lot of the points. This video was also one with no fights and yes, I also expected “ guns blazing” like the guy said, but everyone was very calm and collected, and on relatively the same page. No one fought their point and shove it down anyone’s throat, and I agreed with virtually everything in this video for once.
As Africans, we experience a very deep level of discrimination where there are divides amongst the people. There's a quote that says, "When brothers fight each other, outsiders inherit their property." And that is exactly what happens.
@@itsprincipe Actually makes a lot more sense than saying "African American," "American," or even ""European." Neither of those are countries, they're continents. Nigeria's a country, so is the US, and so is Spain, just to name three. So yeah, OP specifying they're Nigerian American makes perfect sense. At least to me.
goodness. everyone here is very insightful, intelligent, and they know how to have a proper discussion without being rude, interrupting, or disrespecting others. the best middle ground group hands down.
This conversation was so touching and informative! I’m Brazilian and often feel guilt for the enormous harm my people have caused. My home country had the largest number of slaves and we were sadly the very last country to abolish slavery in 1888. Although I personally did not participate of course I still feel a connection to the guilt 💔 an apology from my ancestors to yours❤
As an African, I also think that because we are immigrants and had the choice of coming to America, that experience in itself will be quite different from African Americans who were initially forced to come over and went through generations of being in a system that didn’t allow them to have opportunities for career growth . Most African immigrants WHO do come over, have at some capacity exposure to education, work experience or connections. Not saying there are Africans who don’t come to America struggling but coming over to America requires most immigrants (especially African immigrants)to have some sort of aspect that makes them “valuable” for them to even attain a visa. I really don’t like when people try to say that Africans are more “successful” than AA cause we work harder and are not lazy. AA are just as successful but there are still families that are still going through that cycle of poverty and trauma due to slavery. While most Africans who happen to migrate to America with a set plan with high exposure are probably going to be successful anyways and instill that in their children. Comparing both groups in numbers regarding success misrepresents it cause keep in mind there are Africans back home who are also still trying to break cycles of poverty. So I’m just saying that immigrant experience is very much distinct than that of AA experience.
Completely agree. The US government does not select just anyone to come to the US, since many people would come here and be burdens on US society. They select people who have already demonstrated that they can persevere and achieve some level of success in their own countries. These are people who have already *proven* to be ambitious and talented in their own countries, but just need the tools of a first world country to really reach their potential. These are the kinds of people the US selects. Thus, immigrants in general (not just Africans) are more successful than *all* native-born Americans (not just African Americans) because they were selected specifically for accomplishments they've already made before they even got here. That's certainly a compliment to immigrant populations, but it's not reflective of their cultures in general.
I appreciated Elizabeth (Nigerian sista) because she acknowledged the negative way that many Africans feel about black/African-Americans but also confessed that through experience and research she was able to develop a more well rounded understanding. Hearing Africans say that their families are back home dying to come to America really makes me sad whenever I hear it cuz it should really be the other way around. We should be dying to come there.
@Gleeful Glock bro who are you to say what I can and can not survive!? Once again, you fools continue to act like yall are better just because you don't use deodorant.
@derrickbolyakwa6395I’m an African American that just found her roots(Tikar of Cameroon) via AfricanAncestry test and I appreciate that. I love y’all fr! 🫶🏽
I think the biggest difference is the people from Africa have had these things happen to them in their lifetimes. And I think that's what the biggest problem people have. It's the self-victimization about things that didn't happen to them and the anger towards people who didn't do it to them. And the fact that nobody would admit that things have gotten better. We are so much further then we were in the '60s.
I love how Kai turned that statement about race obsession around. The reason why race is such a prominent conversation in America is in fact b/c laws were based on race and oppressing others for hundreds of years. You can’t hit someone repeatedly in the face and then say “let’s just move on”
@@suzygirl1843 I also think people completely missed the fact that Wakanda itself is supposed to be before Africa was colonized. So that’s why it’s an array of Black African folks in the movie. Like Winston Duke is from Trinidad. Letitia is Guyanese-British & the list just goes on & on. I think Ryan Coogler tried to included every ethnicity from the African Diaspora in the movie.
@@yungmetr0135You’re acting as if the 60’s was over hundreds of years ago. Both of my parents were born BEFORE the civil rights movement. Not to mention my grandparents. MANY black people alive today have experienced laws based on slavery. And they still trickle into our laws today. Also my generation( in my family) is the first since the civil rights movement, so we aren’t far removed at all.
One of the most chill Middle Ground episodes. There's no major arguing and fighting, just some understanding and calm talking and laughing. It's refreshing.
Honestly they should add in the casting the requirement of letting others talk and not interrupt. It gets so annoying I’ve stopped watching videos that was interested in because the people arguing would just shout at each other
" Black people all over need this" Nope, not the privileged blacks in countries where they're the dominant majority; the privileged dominant majority should not play identity politics.
oh so now they are the privileged ones? not the americans that have acess to everything they need and yet still cry ? @@someanimefan5990ps: i'm not talking about the video
@@someanimefan5990 Those and Conservative blacks are exactly who need to be a part of these conversations. Otherwise, you will only be in your own bubble and will never find alternatives or different points of view that could help Africans grow as a community.
I think slavery really messed up (mentally & psychologically) African Americans, the impact is generational and I think the reason it has been difficult to forget and just move on, is because of the systemic injustices that continue to this day. Most Africans on the other hand grow up poor, but are nurtured by families and extended families with strong communal and social connections. Despite economic challenges, corruptions and tribalism, Africans have not been made to feel less of human beings. Africans grow up respected and valued in their communities and when they immigrate to the US, their focus is solely on the "American Dream" and may not fully understand the complexities within the US system especially the African American communities. Racism has a much greater and long lasting impact than e.g. tribalism etc.
@@patmoore7959 We are only referring to African American slavery on this very video and anyone who feels like talking about it should be free to do so.
Very informative conversation. I am African and what prosper said about Tribalism is very accurate. The 'racism' we face here in Africa is in the form of 'Tribalism'. I am glad both sides acknowledge each others pain and points of view.
I had an Ethiopian friend. Beautiful girl. The Caribbean black girls hated her for being so beautiful. One time they tried fighting her at a club, they threw drinks at her. She would get the same hate from non African black girls. May she R.I.P.
@@Touchedbygod122 Quick question, where are you from? I ask this because just like we Africans cannot speak on racism(because we rarely rarely experience is first hand) if you haven't experienced tribalism first hand (like most Africans have,especially in my country) you shouldn't have such a "bold" opinion on it. While they are not exactly the same thing,they have similar effects on communities/people.
@@magdalinenjeri5262 Colorism is a form of tribalism We also have different demographics within the black community Afro Latin Creole And all other kind of mixture bi-racial That don’t classify themselves as solely black! Because of the exotic fetishized culture in the community from slavery la casta , platoons and quadroons . Just like the Indian caste system !! You should study more history!! We also were apart of an African tribe before slavery!!! So we can speak to the experience of tribalism!! Try again!
I'm glad they had an older person's perspective. I wish there were an older perspective on the African side. All in all, this conversation was so healthy and insightful! 🙏🏾
That would have been amazing. Our African grandparents have stories to tell, stories of the excruciating pain they went through under the colonial rule. There are some freedom fighters still alive in Kenya, and I doubt any of them wants to hear the name of the late queen, sorry to say
i absolutely agree. an episode with elders of different cultures on the question of “how is life better/worse now than before” would be extremely insightful and educational
Guys to be honest I am so glad . I have been wanting an African and African American middle ground vid to come out and finally it has happened . Sending love from 🇺🇬 Uganda .
Yes, I thought about that too. When they were talking about a divide in African American communities, I wish there was a black woman, who experience/seen colorism to speak about it.
I’m from Senegal and I applied to be on this episode because these topics are so interesting. The people chosen were great. In high school I wanted nothing more than to share Africa with African Americans. Although many rejected me and mocked me for my background, some accepted me and l cherish those relationships greatly. I wish for African Americans to understand that we are truly not that different from each other. Hating each other fuels the fire of hatred that slavery and colonization created which means we lose in the end while they laugh at our demise. I wouldn’t be here freely as an African if it weren’t for your struggles. Let’s work as a team and make our ancestors proud. It’s a family reunion ❤
Yeah, some of our ancestors came from Senegal as well actually looking at DNA tests. I'd love to learn more. Im glad the Camaroonian gentlemen was there.
@@sparklesp9304 yeah the door of no return is in Senegal and so many slaves were taken from there as well 😢. I’m glad he was there also he had some great points.
Coming from Cameroon, new in the us, facing tribalism, racism, and so much question that have been opened here... I thank you guys for this conversation. I actually needed it
As an African-American in Atlanta, I have these conversations all of the time with African friends and their friend groups. I feel fortunate to have the upbringing and point of view that I do. It really helps in these conversations.
@@dondrickdem u cant copy links to utube. But u can also look up the term in the dictionary.. if u dont even bother to look it means ud just prefer to stay in ignorance as it fulfillls a belief
I have a suspicion that differences in skin color, etc. are simply excuses to rally the masses (perhaps the only people who actually care about those things) of their respective nations behind them, but the elite know the real division in society: haves and have-nots.
I really wish there was someone from the Caribbean in this conversation. I feel we have a unique perspective as African descendants. Hopefully there's an opportunity for that to him in the future.
I rarely comment on TH-cam videos but I’m Nigerian and I want to commend Elizabeth because I feel like she explained how I feel perfectly. Especially when she said it’s easier for Africans to downplay racism because we don’t understand it. I mean we may understand it but you don’t fully understand something unless you have been through it. It’s easy to think “why’re you complaining when you literally have water?!” And not think about how everyone has struggles and Racism is a struggle black Africans have gone through. We have all suffered, no one’s suffering is less. It is all painful at the end of the day. I wouldn’t say I completely understand racism now but I am grateful for every black American who fought through resilience and effort to open doors for all black/African people because without them we would not have Africans in America at this point seeking opportunities.
@@tylergriffin2499 you’re obviously pained because you’re here this early in the morning trying to invalidate my opinions. Why you think I’m not African is beyond me. I clearly stated that I am a Nigerian in the comment and I also just moved. Not you coming for me when you literally have the most English name ever. Tyler, abeg find peace with yourself and stop replying strangers comment. I wish you well
That idea is so small minded also some people in America do not have access to clean water. But going back to the first idea. We do not stop fighting for better just because others have it worse. That's makes absolutely no sense to say oh people have it worse than me so I'm not gonna fight to make life better for me and my children. Why settle for less than you deserve. I think you don't get it because Black Americans are Americans we have the American spirit the American culture. We want the American dream we want luxury we want excess we are willing to work hard so we can play hard and we don't settle. Being idealistic is very American.
I've recently started watching these debates.... and appreciate how this discussion was had and the fact that a moderator wasn't needed. Yes, someone voiced the prompts, however it was just a conversation amongst beautiful individuals comparing and contrasting their cultures. Nice to see I wish it was longer with more people.
Safe? Why because they’re all black? Nonsense, you’re statistically more likely to be attacked by someone who looks like you. I’m black and i don’t see this imaginary racism these people are talking about, I’m more afraid of someone that looks like me VS somebody who doesn’t.
As African it always irritates me when other Africans say AA's complain too much about racism in America not understanding the history of AA's and how it's still connected systemically to what's happening today when it cames to how they're unfairly treated disproportionately in incarceration, housing, poverty or even getting a loan from the bank. As a Somali I'm very thankful for AA's their voices matter. The sacrifices they made directly benefits us. What some don't understand is what happens in America directly affects the rest of us. The U.S government has huge amount of controll and leverage over the continent of Africa. Only the politician's and the leaders they choose will stay in power as they will use their unlimited resources to manipulate and instigate till they get the outcome they desire in Which is based solely on exploitation.
@Blessing You're not seeing this thru clear eyes the wide spread inequality practices that was implemented against their ancestors for generations is the root cause and there is a direct link between poverty and crime.
@Blessing it’s part of the problem the reason why crime rates are high in black communities is the lack of resources they just did a study saying if black Americans receive reparations the crime rate will go down drastically!
@@Jeff-xv6gk She is only seeing the smaller picture. There list of issue why things are way they are. There was governmental policy to undermine black people in American for a long time and when it comes to crime rates AA's are always under the scope black neighborhoods are Patrolled more racist judge's, profiling, stop and frisk etc ...
I'm not black, not African, not American and not white. So as a total outsider to this conversation, i really appreciate how everyone was so understanding of each other's points and there was no angry dismissiveness. Gained a lot of perspective.
it would be really interesting if you could do a “North Africans vs Middle Easterns”. especially after all the heated conversations that surfaced during this Qatar world cup
And Africans would NOT be able to come to America and thrive without the sacrifices of American black people (civil rights movement, etc.). Do Africans really know and understand what people went through during the time of Jim Crowe and the horrific things people had to go through for basic rights, and African people just come to benefit off of all of that hard work??? Yes, it definitely needs to be applauded much more!
@@travelpro23 Why do you feel so attacked. Like you are being so passive-aggressive. "African people just come to benefit off of all of that hard work" Both sides suffered, for your information.
So proud to represent my community in this episode and those among us who may not be the first ones invited to the conversation. So much love for all the people involved in this and love my African fam
When you said your last name is king that brought tears in my eyes , I remember visiting the UK and there’s a large number of Caribbean people there and me coming from South Africa it was a shock to see how they all had slaves names and last names at that point I knew slavery was real😢
Just saying hello to my sister from Brazil. I really think it’s long past time for a stronger connection between African Brazilians (I don’t know how you all refer to yourselves) and African American because I truly believe in we are the only two groups of African people who can understand each other’s struggles.
This is soo golden. As a Nigerian in the US, I have experienced different layers of biases and prejudices back home( cultural, social, economic and institutional biases etc). We were raised in struggles- to strive to get the bare minimum, that when we come here in the US and see AA complain, we feel that they are being ungrateful to the system that provided everything we struggled to get even in a place we call HOME. ‘I mean, how can I as an immigrant have access to scholarships, housing, quality food, security etc’. However, after a class in digital cultures with many people narrating their biases, I realized that even we who want our marginalized voices to be heard (regardless of place) have in fact become passive oppressors to other groups who we gaslight because we don’t relate to their struggles. And by doing so, we become the very oppressor we sought to repress. Therefore, by acknowledging each other’s pain like Skipp did in the beginning of the video where he acknowledged the struggles in Cameroon while also acknowledging generational and modern slavery of AA in America, we can all build a healthy community. Biases and struggles exist even in the tiniest unit of human existence, until we acknowledge ALL, we will keep fighting for equality and equity.
As an African person I really appreciate that they made this video. Bc I've always felt like Africans and African-Americans are really different in a lot of ways. Edit: I didn't mean to start a whole fight in the comment section, I just wanted to highlight my experience of living in the USA and seeing how different Africans and African-Americans are. Like their behavior and how they talk primarily 😭
We had to fight for our rights and while we were doing that the Africans waited until the smoke clear to come over and reap the benefits off the slave ancestors.
Finally! I'm glad they've had this discussion. However, I wish they would've included questions that pertain to the divide or tension between African American and Africans?
@@itumo2645 like I would've liked to hear whether Africans feel that its cultural appropriation when black people in America (or anywhere else) wear traditional African clothing. With this group, I don't think they would've, but I still would've like to hear it.
@@emilevanrensburg8094 In my opinion it’s really weird how people get offended when someone wears clothing from a different culture. Usually no one gets offended when it comes to people from different cultures enjoying food, television, books, movies, videos or video games from other cultures or living in other parts of the world and being friends with or even marrying someone of a different culture but the moment you wear clothing from a different culture it’s going too far and it’s offensive.
9:32 I loved Elizabeth’s take. I have come to understand that from an outside perspective how easy it is to look at us as complaining even though we have privilege in comparison to other countries but I like that she sat down and tried to understand it’s not about that. It’s about how we are treated compared to our peers. AND how far we have come and paved the way for black immigrants to have the privileges that’s they have today when they come here
Finally! I've been waiting forever for this. I wish they included a question like "I feel misjudged by the other side." And more questions that are related to diaspora wars. That's where most of the discourse occurs.
I think most of the diaspora wars comes from not understanding the topics that were discussed in the video. Each side thinks the other has it better when in reality both groups have been oppressed. The Nigerian and Cameroonian rep kind of touched on it when they were talking about the resources that African Americans have such as running water etc. 8:40
@fatimayusuf4296 I'm African-American and my boyfriend is from Nigeria. So I don't want to see African-Americans and Africans fight. However my boyfriend and I have thoroughly talked about discourse throughout Africa and the African diaspora and have both gotten a better understanding of the other side. I wished the things that cause more discourse would have been discussed because I think we all need to have better understanding of each other.
The gentleman in the blue expressed beautifully the opportunities we have here..even if it seems small. Coming from where he's from, he's very grateful for any opportunity.
@Lord Quas you absolutely can though. per the dsm-5 (the manual used to diagnose every mental disorder there is) literally the first criteria is either: direct exposure to a traumatic event, witnessing a traumatic event, learning that a relative/close friend was exposed to a traumatic event OR indirect exposure to details of a traumatic event. being directly exposed to something traumatic is only 1 of 4 ways to meet this criteria
Sounds like they need to just keep the two cultures separate. AA's can do nothing but negatively impact the beautiful African continents countries. Culture, their respect and dignity.
@@NB-nh2sf Liberia was an American colony at one time where they sent slaves back following the civil war and still holds ties to the United States in many ways. It is easier for Liberians to get visas to the US than many other West African countries because of their relationship with America. If you visit Liberia you will find they listen to American music and adopt other certain aspects of American culture moreso than countries like Ghana and Nigeria that used to be British colonies. This is besides the point but I just want to say the people of Liberia are some of the most welcoming and kind people I've ever met and worked with. I've never been to another country where you can so easily become friends with just about anyone you meet.
Guy at 1:50 talking about how he was ashamed of his color of skin growing up I wonder how he would feel to hear when I was a kid I grew up in a predominantly black and Hispanic community and I was embarrassed being white I would tell people I was Hispanic just to try and fit in now can I say I have suffered from racism and have post traumatic stress ? I don’t get it we have had similar experiences but since I’m white those experiences have no weight for me
Indeed. Black people are not a homogeneous group. An American Black person is different from a Black person from Africa, and both are different from a Black person from Latin America.
@@theelolicious9302 Are you joking? Each African tribe has a separate culture than African Americans. Like idk if you wanted them to specify a specific country in Africa or what not but they do have culture that is different.
@@theelolicious9302 well yes there are more cultures within African but they mean the cultures of black ppl from africa with their own respective cultures based on their country are different than african americans
i’m white, and of course i have no clue what it’s like to live as a black person, but i loved watching this. this is the type of video i think EVERYONE needs to watch, no matter what your race or background is. this video was beautiful and educational. i loved this respectful discussion
10:23 The point is just because you live better here doesn't mean we should settle. "Oh, it's not that bad" it doesn't matter.They need to treat us better. And we should keep rising. Just because it's better than your last situation doesn't mean that it is okay
Everyone kept minimizing their own personal painful story in comparison to another. There was so much empathy but also still so much shame. So much healing and reparation(s) needed! Malcolm X said "I cannot heal if there is still a knife in my back"
What I meant in the statement above is that she didn’t give any substantial reason for there to be a “needed” reparation. Africa didn’t ask for reparations and most other colonized and enslaved area in any point of history, it’s more of bitterness and lack of moving on than wanting to “heal”. Africa doesn’t “need” reparations. What we need is making our government and people accountable for their actions.
A necessary conversation, that needs to happen constantly or periodically. An African brother once dropped an insight & perspective ( does not capture the entire experience/ destructive & horrendous experience ) gave me a lot to think about : We all felt the pain in extremely difficult/different degrees in many instances , however our enslaved Ancestors,brothers & sisters pain is still ongoing. As Africans our ancestors also lost their children, brothers, sisters & communities. It is a deep ,deep conversation we need to have & peel black on the stories to come together.
No we dont…. Both of those countries are equally corrupt poorly ran by their own country people… enough said… you can say that about each country in the Caribbean… they are poorly ran by Godless children of the Devil.
Elizabeth was very well spoken and down to earth. She is an amazing person who understands what needs to change and how our mindset should change to help others.
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I love the dialogue between all of them. It’s therapeutic to share the history and traumas on all sides. It goes to show how there is a common denominator of who is imposing this racism.
@@MrRono19 The reason African countries terroize each other to this day is because Europeans drew the boarders and decided which tribe was in which country because they wanted our resources. There are more tribes of people in Africa then anywhere in the world and Europeans came in with zero knowledge or regard of any of that and drew up the maps. Its like if an African ruler walked into Europe and drew a map of Europe and put Russia, Germany and France as a single country or put Turkey, Greece and Italy all in one country. Those are all countries with different cultures and histories as well as beliefs, ofc there would be civil wars.
1:01 A point of clarification, a vast majority slave owners didn’t give slaves their last name. A slave owner, wouldn’t want to share their family name with a person they think lesser of.
A huge step to healing the black community is having healthy conversations like these and finding common ground. This platform can indeed keep this energy going by adding other types of black people from different backgrounds and culture to push more healthy conversations. Love.
Wonderful conversations. Everyone was so informative in the topics they brought up, everyone is willing to listen, and LEARN. I learn so much from this. Would love to see a middle ground with multi-ethnic people in America discussing possible feelings of alienation to all their backgrounds. ( I'm African, Japanese, and Mexican) I celebrate all my cultures, but sometimes I am not allowed into those communities because I am not "this" or "that" enough.
Wait Africa is a continent, you got to name the other ethnicities but Africa doesn’t deserve that? You’re Not Asian and North American but Japanese and Mexican but for Africa there’s no need to go further???
They’re not disagreeing when they said slavery didn’t impact their family, but I also feel like they don’t realize it did because it destabilized Africa is a continent
As an African, i didn't think this way before but now, yeah I think it's very important to NEVER forget what they've gone through in that country but at the same time work on themselves especially first from their family structure and also help their community to attain TRUE POWER in that country. That's what i feel, being on twitter, black Americans don't have REAL power in America after all these years. Yes they lead every kind of social discourse,black music is the most consumed music, they have the most social/trendy influence, and sure white people can't say the n-word without dire consequences. I know this sounds strange, but I feel like black people are just used as some kind of pawns in the government. Like their whole existence is just being politicized but even they can't see it. All I know is I truly want to see them on top in that country fr. 💪🏾❤️🖤
That's not strange at all. You're very correct about minorities being used as tools by those in power. Its something both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of. Your analysis on the issue is spot on.
There was a time when black Americans were beginning to become prosperous. But Jim Crow laws were enacted. But even then American blacks prospered. Made a community of their own. In the center of it was a place nicknamed black millionaires row. But "mysteriously" it all got burnt down. 🔥
you are smart! Black people are just used by politicians and have been for decades! Democrats again and again tell you to vote for them, that they would change the system, but again and again nothing. They tells you to focus on racism and "police brutality", so you will not start improving your life. They manipulate you again ang again, but you keep ignorantly vote for them!
I am with you. I always was dismissive and had a " get over it" attitude. Until i looked further and saw how much slavery dammaged black people in social and emotional aspects. So now i absolutely agree. We have to come together. Every african descendant.
@@lolaispure4296 Thank you, as an African American that means alot because I and many like me think that you knowing where u r from and have indigenous African culture is a privledge and at least you are not deemed the lowest. Even if u come to America. Now I understand that neither of us have it great.
This conversation between Africans and African Americans was a long time coming because I’m tired of the division in the diaspora between the two groups.
@@Jibril_Abdulkadir misunderstanding is a better word, we never really got a chance to talk to each other until recently because of all the systems keeping us apart.
9:57 Input. You may be mistreated in your country, and it seems like we should just look past our grievances, but there's a reason you come to America. Said it yourself, "I want to do better for my life and family". Not only that, we can't just accept it and move on and try to "be successful". Sometimes we have to stop worrying about that and worry about the state of the whole community. Being successful in this country for us, often means you have to step on/over your own people for just an opportunity. That's a plague in our values.
I loved how Kai couldn't stop laughing at Elizabeth's jokes. You can always see him in the frame laughing when Elizabeth was being funny, he seems to appreciate her humor a lot lol 8:3212:21
These are important conversations to have and show.... The.entire western Diaspora and the Motherland... That's the "Real Talk" we need to be having? and sharing with our youth!🎉❤😊
I’m literally one minute in and the guys already made the claim that he can have post traumatic stress disorder, from something that happened to someone else. That is objectively untrue. You shouldn’t be agreeing with everything, I’m omitted in and we have something that is just factually inaccurate
@@KrisFlicks It absolutely can not and you disrespect people with PTSD to claim otherwise. Its not what "stress" means, its not what "trauma" means. You're not thinking, you're repeating.
My grandfather used to tell us the story of the flying Africans and this story taught us the slavery hurt all Africans because people were taken from their families and those families mourned. And the people who were stolen we know their loss...but often we forget how many young children in Africa lost parents, uncles, Aunts and siblings. Slavery hurt us all.
White people ask other whites with accents "where are you from i love your accent!" It's not an obsession with race, it's an interest in your wherabouts, culture and a curiosity about your life story. It is a compliment.
@@fewcusino people do that of regardless of your race or ethnicity. As a black person people ask me about my southern accent white or black- it’s literally curiosity, people don’t gaf about race to that extent..
It’s only an insult to that person if they are embarrassed about being different, which, ironically, means that person is the racist, not the person asking about their culture.
Generational trauma… the trauma from past generations that shaped behaviors and attitudes that continue to affect the current generation. This is how slavery has affected the current generation. A huge responsibility is put on the current generation to change those attitudes that have been instilled over time. Similar to the families infected with addiction. I will never forget my nieces’ conversation with my sister. My niece was making an observation how our whole family were drinkers and smokers…even the young ones in a time when smoking was frowned upon. My niece was told that she was to be the change… stop the cycle. Basically we passed the buck onto the young. Hopefully over time, our family will be addict free. Praying for that.
@@blackairforce13 well Apartheid officially ended in 1994 in South Africa. Orania is just an attempt at creating a separate state exclusively for white/Afrikaaner people who hate living under the new found "democracy". They just want to segregate from black people.
10:20 as someone who is African but born in the uk, tribalism is such a prominent thing in African cultures and has its benefits and drawbacks. However, I feel as if the drawbacks are prominent as he mentioned oppression due to ur clan/ tribe. I’m Somali and I heard some parents say. They’re rather have their child marry another race or ethnicity than a tribe they look down upon
But speaking from my grand parents point of view, tribalism allowed them to reconnect with people of the same ethnicity abroad and carries that sense of home even when your not home
What you call tribalism is actually nationalism. You see, in Europe, they can it nation, but when they come to Africa, they call it tribe. French is a tribe, English is a tribe etc. That's how it's supposed to be in Africa but they came and created artificial boundaries lumping up different ethnic nationalities into one country. That's why there's always struggle and strife.
@@jonralph8843 That's a really interesting way of putting it. I'm trying to picture the map of Africa organised in tribes rather than "nations", artificial borders. Wouldn't there then be hundreds and hundreds of tiny countries in Africa?
@@zoeskinner2871 think I’ve seen attempts at ‘dividing africa properly’(or at least way better than how the europeans did it), I can’t recall how it looked exactly but it wasn’t as fractured as you might think. Some tribes could very much so be lumped together because of so much shared commonality between the two - language and culture. In the same way you see varying groups of people under one country in places like europe too.
@@md244-w6v This is very true. Nigeria has some 300 ethnic groups but it’s very reasonable for Nigeria to be divided into ~12 countries because so many ethnic groups have either similar languages, cultures, histories or ancestries
I’m amazed and also sad how in the US, for example, when you sign up for school, or go get a vaccine, or etc., they always put a check box with the category of race. I think that’s being racist. Cause they are already judging you for that. And people take that for granted. When I lived a few years in the US, my mom was trying to look for a job, being Mexican, and a lot of jobs declined her for that. Here in Mexico, when you apply for a job, they just ask for your resume, for the years you have been working and your experience, and also something that is called RFC (which is the code you have since you are born, and that has a registration of all your data). And here in Mexico when there is a conversation about race, or money, or traumas we just laugh about it, we don’t take anything serious. We have a saying: who gets mad first, they lose. I think in the US, they do take a lot of things very serious and also extreme. Like using the race or oppress card to “win” an argument or sometimes make stuff up, to make the other person look or feel bad. They can’t just live a normal life without thinking of that. I know the situation it’s very hard for a lot of people, and it’s horrible what some people go through, but it’s very important to understand that it’s not okay to make others suffer with your problems. It’s important to ask for help, not to invoke hate.
Always wanted to hear this conversation, but without a black American woman there you're missing a significant perspective. The impact of American slavery and everything else (systemic racism, welfare system, etc) on the black American woman is profound.
thank YOU
Why are Africans doing better in America compared to black Americans?
Exactly what I was thinking
I can't believe they couldn't find a black American woman to speak on this topic. Swing and a miss Jubilee.
NO FOR REAL big fumble on Jubilee when there are countless texts easily available that talk about how Black women are ignored and overlooked in conversations about the Black experience
I appreciate that Elizabeth acknowledged that many Africans see African Americans as just complaining, but realized the nuances that exist on both sides. That was great to hear.
Mostly because a ton of Africans don't seriously study history in school until uni, if even then,much less the history of the United States and African Americans so the ones who make those type of statements are usually doing it from a place of ignorance. Often it takes them decades of lining in the US to realize certain things. Others know what to expect but choose to deal with racism like a sort of 'immigrant tax', the price for the American dream.
Because they are, very few people today have had their lives affected by slavery
@@twistedbliss58 Definitely segregation though. It wasn’t that long ago.
@@twistedbliss58 every single thing and everyone in America is affected by slavery that’s how the country even exists today. They are not “complaining” because they acknowledge that fact.
@@adrianna5378nobody age 30 or below have to deal with it though. Those are the main ones complaining.
Africans went through colonization and African Americans went through slavery. We all have different but some what similar histories. Also this group seem so intelligent and respectful.
Africans were sold buy their own country so I guess they went through slavery too.
Africans also went through slavery; in fact, they played an integral part in creating the transatlantic slave trade.
Everybody went through Colonization and slavery.
@@thepubquiz3198 This video isn’t about everybody
africans went through slavery in all their history wtf
We're not "obsessed" with where you're from, we're "interested" in where you're from. When a person sees or hears something different than what they experience all the time, it piques their interest. It is human nature to want to learn about new things and experiences.
So then many africans shouldnt talk down to african americans like they are better or we are just spoiled, africans have never experienced or went thru what AA went thru and same goes for AA about Africans
THANK YOU !
@@Mari-es9qo you do realise slavery was already booming in Africa before it happened in America? It still exists there now
Yeah black people don't know how to use words 😂
@@KK-lg8uz
Shhh! Don't tell them that. The truth is rac-ist. My comment was they needed to ask who sold who's family to the Arab.
“But it’s still nothing compared to…”
“I wouldn’t want to minimize that pain, what you just said hurt me…”
I teared up. That’s how it should be nowadays. Instead of people putting down other marginalized groups history and gaslighting them with “well that was a long time ago” or “stop playing victim”
IKR??? White people make it sound so easy to move on. African Americans were enslaved for 400 years or more. Do they really expect healing can happen over night??? 😅 And it's not just slavery trauma African Americans are struggling with. They're also struggling with an identity crisis because their ancestors had to assimilate (more like erase) their culture and language.
Bunch of pussies
Yea that part touched me too. ❤
While it is tragic, they need to stop thinking they're the only ones that suffered. People of all races were slaves at one point or another and the transatlantic slave trade was NOT the worse of all-time. They need to start blaming their own people, the Africans that sold them to the Europeans for weapons. Blame the Jews that owned and operated the ships that brought them over. Staying in the victimhood mentality will always give them a reason to blame others rather than taking action of their own lives to better themselves and their culture.
@@heyitsbroski chattel slavery is nothing like the other forms of slavery and nobody said we were the only ones. The fact that other people were slaves does not minimize what we’ve been through when those scars and the affects are literally still here today. There were wars fought to get us back and some slaves were prisoners beforehand. And damn ok blame everyone except the white colonizers? Jews didn’t have as big of a role as you think
We need a African parents vs American parents episode, the chaos that would happen would be insane
The absolute chaos.
You are a officially a chaos bringer if this ever happens
I agree
YESSS
😊😊😊
It is so refreshing to see an actual dialogue with no screaming, yelling, name-calling, or cutting people off mid-sentence. I loved the mutual respect!
That's yt behavior. Since there are none present, you see civility.
@@deejay7339 That’s racist
@@0Honey_Nut_Cheetos0 facts can't be racist
@@deejay7339 What about your comment is factual? Watch you not respond, avoid the question, or straight up lie.
@@0Honey_Nut_Cheetos0 All of my comment is factual. ✅ And nice job thumbs upping yourself in a min lmao.
As a Jamaica American whom most of my family is Jamaican and I was born and raised in the US, I have a lot of respect for this video
This episode is how Africans and African Americans should be towards each other. I loved how open and accepting everyone was towards the different opinions. As someone who is African American, it does feel like there is a divide between us when there shouldn't be. I wish as a whole we could be more like this. Great conversation guys!
but if you listen to the answers, you can hear how the Africans are grateful to the White Americans and that is what make us different. they have abandoned their homeland to do the white man's bidding and undermine the Black American struggle for reparations and liberation.
@@sasazamami well said
cause we didnt create the divide
@@sasazamami stop whining
@@angela7014 where you from?
As a black person born and raised in America with a Nigerian dad, this conversation is really great to see.
Yes, same here! I have a Nigerian dad and American mom
Do you consider yourself African American?
@@miurtouissi1093 I'm also a Nigerian raised in America. I don't consider myself African American because I'm truly not a direct descendant of slaves. Culturally though, Im a mix (I grew up under AA influences outside but at home, it was all Nigerian). It gets a bit complicated. but I consider myself a Nigerian simply living in America
@@maryb.5668 this is interesting. I'm Canadian from the Caribbean and I consider myself Canadian. I've always wondered how other black people from the diaspora living in the USA felt about their identity since AA have a strong culture and history but also being born in America for most makes you American. I guess I thought you would always see yourself as a Nigerian American but then I would also understand not since I would say I'm Canadian. I guess the slavery aspect of it is part of AA identity. I hadn't thought about that since I myself am a descendant of slaves.
It comes down to Parenting/Mindset/Culture (PMC), not race. Africans/Caribbean tend to be more successful because of PMC, that places high value on Godly morals, hard work and education, etc. Similar to Asians and other groups. Victim vs Victor mentality!
As an African I appreciate the efforts of African Americans for fighting for the betterment of all black people in America. Without that fight us Africans would not be benefiting from these benefits.
Thank you! That seems to be lost on some, as the only welcomed immigrants for decades were from European countries. Without the African American fight, there would be no African immigrants.
This is true, without the fight, Africans would be sent back to Africa and not even allowed the benefit of a better life, bullied, etc. All the things blacks went through would be put on Africans and it would be horrific, so the fight was worth it in the end. I do believe Black America has gotten way better for blacks.
What benefits?
@@merrytunes8697 YES!! Sometimes it's so difficult to explain this to people for some reason.
@@merrytunes8697 oh men thank you oh afro american but we are the richest black we also suceed thanks to our work
Im glad my parents came from a 3rd world country (Tonga) rented 1 room from an elderly white lady with my grandparents and older 2 siblings in the 70s. Poor with no english in a new country they cleaned homes, collected cans in the streets and fast forward 50 years today all 6 of my siblings are homeowners and 4 are business owners. We gather every year at my parents rented home(50 year renter's in the same home) in Los Angeles and celebrate the American dream our parents struggled for so that we can live. No complaining, no freeloading, no laziness. Just born from hustlers to hustle. The dream is there for dreamers, staying in a nightmare is a choice.
Exactly 💯😊
What would u consider the American dream?
@qodeshim9058 when you get there, you will know.
May sure you thank black Americans for making it possible for you to come to this country that we also built.
I’m a descendant of a southern slave owner. My ancestors on my mother’s side were very wealthy people back in the early to mid 19th century. Probably some of the wealthiest people in the state at the time. My great grandfather owned 5 plantations, and some of those plantations were used in the film Django. I don’t know what happened to all of that money because I grew up poor AF. On my father’s side, I have Native American ancestors who had their land taken from them, and come to find out there was oil on that land. Even if things played out differently, someone would have spent that money way before it trickled down to me. Ain’t no sense of complaining about something that happened almost 200 years ago.
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, but those who live in the past can never move forward.
That's just life, we all just have to move on but disregard where we started from.
Preach brother
Honestly repeating it might be the way. Humble some niggas
Yeah and sadly nepotism is a fundamental human behavior, multiculturalism doesn't work, ever.
Nobody lives in the past if the problems still exist today
A conversation all black people will appreciate and have waited for
If you're African or African American.
Not at all.
@@ishy6875 Well... not all africans are black.
I’m not black but I appreciate and have learned a lot from this video
No I can give af what a African says
Freedom isn't just physical. It's also mental. You can be physically free and mentally enslaved to an ideology or something you have been through
Very true
preach
Or even mentally enslaved to something someone else has been through
So how do you get out of it..... is it not by just being honest with yourself, instead of just blaming people.
That is totally true.
This whole video was so well spoken. Some of the things said about how we are just reacting and living in the ripples of the stone that was thrown in the pond of history was so well spoken. Lots of these things were spoken and it was things that I also agree with a lot of the points. This video was also one with no fights and yes, I also expected “ guns blazing” like the guy said, but everyone was very calm and collected, and on relatively the same page. No one fought their point and shove it down anyone’s throat, and I agreed with virtually everything in this video for once.
As Africans, we experience a very deep level of discrimination where there are divides amongst the people. There's a quote that says, "When brothers fight each other, outsiders inherit their property." And that is exactly what happens.
Yessssss!!!! I agree with this 100%
Y’all created it tho
Love that quote. I feel like it's applicable in every culture
When brothers sell their brothers
Fixed it for you
Despots divide to conquer. Always have
as an nigerian american, i appreciate this conversation it’s something we need to continue.
nigérian american how does that make sense
@@itsprincipe Actually makes a lot more sense than saying "African American," "American," or even ""European." Neither of those are countries, they're continents. Nigeria's a country, so is the US, and so is Spain, just to name three. So yeah, OP specifying they're Nigerian American makes perfect sense. At least to me.
@@itsprincipe it’s like Italian American, it’s a country within a continent. Like Nigeria is a country within the continent of Africa.
@@umiprincesscosplay What are you talking about?
@@religiohominilupus5259 ok so would they be from america but their half nigerian or what
goodness. everyone here is very insightful, intelligent, and they know how to have a proper discussion without being rude, interrupting, or disrespecting others. the best middle ground group hands down.
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@@triple_gem_shining ?
@Mike Tython 🛑 that
Maybe they meant her pfp
@@milk6- my FKA twigs pfp?
This conversation was so touching and informative! I’m Brazilian and often feel guilt for the enormous harm my people have caused. My home country had the largest number of slaves and we were sadly the very last country to abolish slavery in 1888. Although I personally did not participate of course I still feel a connection to the guilt 💔 an apology from my ancestors to yours❤
Elizabeth is just amazing
How she puts her African perspective to her American life is beautiful
Kudos from 🇰🇪🇰🇪
As an African, I also think that because we are immigrants and had the choice of coming to America, that experience in itself will be quite different from African Americans who were initially forced to come over and went through generations of being in a system that didn’t allow them to have opportunities for career growth . Most African immigrants WHO do come over, have at some capacity exposure to education, work experience or connections. Not saying there are Africans who don’t come to America struggling but coming over to America requires most immigrants (especially African immigrants)to have some sort of aspect that makes them “valuable” for them to even attain a visa. I really don’t like when people try to say that Africans are more “successful” than AA cause we work harder and are not lazy. AA are just as successful but there are still families that are still going through that cycle of poverty and trauma due to slavery. While most Africans who happen to migrate to America with a set plan with high exposure are probably going to be successful anyways and instill that in their children. Comparing both groups in numbers regarding success misrepresents it cause keep in mind there are Africans back home who are also still trying to break cycles of poverty. So I’m just saying that immigrant experience is very much distinct than that of AA experience.
Very well said 👏🏽
So well said!
Completely agree. The US government does not select just anyone to come to the US, since many people would come here and be burdens on US society. They select people who have already demonstrated that they can persevere and achieve some level of success in their own countries. These are people who have already *proven* to be ambitious and talented in their own countries, but just need the tools of a first world country to really reach their potential. These are the kinds of people the US selects. Thus, immigrants in general (not just Africans) are more successful than *all* native-born Americans (not just African Americans) because they were selected specifically for accomplishments they've already made before they even got here. That's certainly a compliment to immigrant populations, but it's not reflective of their cultures in general.
@@anyaw340 Exactly💯👏🏽👏🏽
You definitely hit the nail on the head.
I appreciated Elizabeth (Nigerian sista) because she acknowledged the negative way that many Africans feel about black/African-Americans but also confessed that through experience and research she was able to develop a more well rounded understanding. Hearing Africans say that their families are back home dying to come to America really makes me sad whenever I hear it cuz it should really be the other way around. We should be dying to come there.
Do they not teach this at school?
@Gleeful Glock bro who are you to say what I can and can not survive!? Once again, you fools continue to act like yall are better just because you don't use deodorant.
@Derrick Bol Yakwa 6’3 Most 😉
@derrickbolyakwa6395I’m an African American that just found her roots(Tikar of Cameroon) via AfricanAncestry test and I appreciate that. I love y’all fr! 🫶🏽
@@isaiahprater8325 😂😂😂 "Because you don't use deodorant" you're shameless, read a book abeg. You're uninformed
I think the biggest difference is the people from Africa have had these things happen to them in their lifetimes. And I think that's what the biggest problem people have. It's the self-victimization about things that didn't happen to them and the anger towards people who didn't do it to them. And the fact that nobody would admit that things have gotten better. We are so much further then we were in the '60s.
I love how Kai turned that statement about race obsession around.
The reason why race is such a prominent conversation in America is in fact b/c laws were based on race and oppressing others for hundreds of years.
You can’t hit someone repeatedly in the face and then say “let’s just move on”
Wakanda Forever movie definitely had a hand in this happening because Africans and black Americans need to come together
@@suzygirl1843 I also think people completely missed the fact that Wakanda itself is supposed to be before Africa was colonized. So that’s why it’s an array of Black African folks in the movie. Like Winston Duke is from Trinidad. Letitia is Guyanese-British & the list just goes on & on. I think Ryan Coogler tried to included every ethnicity from the African Diaspora in the movie.
THIS
the black people alive now did not get to experience laws that were based on race so what are u saying
@@yungmetr0135You’re acting as if the 60’s was over hundreds of years ago. Both of my parents were born BEFORE the civil rights movement. Not to mention my grandparents. MANY black people alive today have experienced laws based on slavery. And they still trickle into our laws today. Also my generation( in my family) is the first since the civil rights movement, so we aren’t far removed at all.
One of the most chill Middle Ground episodes. There's no major arguing and fighting, just some understanding and calm talking and laughing. It's refreshing.
Honestly they should add in the casting the requirement of letting others talk and not interrupt. It gets so annoying I’ve stopped watching videos that was interested in because the people arguing would just shout at each other
I think as black people, we need more of these conversations with each other. Black people all over need this. It helps us understand each other more.
Africans are Africans. Afro Americans are black people. Just Afro Americans.
Ya ✊🏾✊🏿
" Black people all over need this"
Nope, not the privileged blacks in countries where they're the dominant majority; the privileged dominant majority should not play identity politics.
oh so now they are the privileged ones? not the americans that have acess to everything they need and yet still cry ? @@someanimefan5990ps: i'm not talking about the video
@@someanimefan5990 Those and Conservative blacks are exactly who need to be a part of these conversations. Otherwise, you will only be in your own bubble and will never find alternatives or different points of view that could help Africans grow as a community.
I think slavery really messed up (mentally & psychologically) African Americans, the impact is generational and I think the reason it has been difficult to forget and just move on, is because of the systemic injustices that continue to this day. Most Africans on the other hand grow up poor, but are nurtured by families and extended families with strong communal and social connections. Despite economic challenges, corruptions and tribalism, Africans have not been made to feel less of human beings. Africans grow up respected and valued in their communities and when they immigrate to the US, their focus is solely on the "American Dream" and may not fully understand the complexities within the US system especially the African American communities. Racism has a much greater and long lasting impact than e.g. tribalism etc.
Human slavery is no different to using animals to work we are all animals its how they are treated that matters
Couldn't have said that any better? You must be a native black American .
Slavery is not just a black thing all races have been slaves at one point in time and slavery exists to this day but we don't want to talk about that
@@patmoore7959 We are only referring to African American slavery on this very video and anyone who feels like talking about it should be free to do so.
@@Adam-uz9scyes exactly
Very informative conversation. I am African and what prosper said about Tribalism is very accurate. The 'racism' we face here in Africa is in the form of 'Tribalism'. I am glad both sides acknowledge each others pain and points of view.
I had an Ethiopian friend. Beautiful girl. The Caribbean black girls hated her for being so beautiful. One time they tried fighting her at a club, they threw drinks at her. She would get the same hate from non African black girls. May she R.I.P.
So it’s not racism it’s self hate and the lack of a common identity and ideology with you guys !
Similar but tribalism is not the same thing as racism
@@Touchedbygod122 Quick question, where are you from?
I ask this because just like we Africans cannot speak on racism(because we rarely rarely experience is first hand) if you haven't experienced tribalism first hand (like most Africans have,especially in my country) you shouldn't have such a "bold" opinion on it. While they are not exactly the same thing,they have similar effects on communities/people.
@@magdalinenjeri5262
Colorism is a form of tribalism
We also have different demographics within the black community
Afro Latin
Creole
And all other kind of mixture bi-racial
That don’t classify themselves as solely black! Because of the exotic fetishized culture in the community from slavery la casta , platoons and quadroons . Just like the Indian caste system !!
You should study more history!!
We also were apart of an African tribe before slavery!!!
So we can speak to the experience of tribalism!! Try again!
Yes Tribalism is Africa’s biggest threat of racism is sad
I'm glad they had an older person's perspective. I wish there were an older perspective on the African side. All in all, this conversation was so healthy and insightful! 🙏🏾
That would have been amazing. Our African grandparents have stories to tell, stories of the excruciating pain they went through under the colonial rule. There are some freedom fighters still alive in Kenya, and I doubt any of them wants to hear the name of the late queen, sorry to say
i absolutely agree. an episode with elders of different cultures on the question of “how is life better/worse now than before” would be extremely insightful and educational
Yupp
They also need a woman on the AA side..
Yes especially those who grew up during white rule and oppression!!!
As a polish person, I would love to see more episodes with people outside of USA
this ^
This is a US channel
@@BitchChill yeah, but an european episode would be so nice. Like to have people from different countries there to talk.
@@BitchChill Yet they got African people for this episode
@@necrom4454what?
1:52 the Chinese were brutally used for railroads lol
The Irish was removed from their home land , forced across the ocean to places such as Australia and U.S to work for free in "prison colonies "
Guys to be honest I am so glad . I have been wanting an African and African American middle ground vid to come out and finally it has happened . Sending love from 🇺🇬 Uganda .
Hello Sis, another Ugandan 🇺🇬 here!
❤🇺🇬
Kataala and Nakataala😂
I’m happy They been reading the comments because we all been asking!!!! :-)
Best video they have posted. The Africans & African Americans really needed this conversation.
I Agree
I agree with this
I can’t help but feel there was a lost opportunity to include a black American woman. Other than that, very insightful and fascinating conversation.
I agree and would've loved for a conversation between the women about racism in healthcare with those perspectives
Yes, I thought about that too. When they were talking about a divide in African American communities, I wish there was a black woman, who experience/seen colorism to speak about it.
@@ZzZen_arts maybe they will repeat this episode and talk more about specific industries and racism. Retail, hospitality, healthcare, etc.
@@ZzZen_arts the American African American would've fucked that up
@@Prodbytocile I am not sure why you would think that... strange...
5:12 is Golden. Thank you Kai, great articulation of the situation!💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💯
I’m from Senegal and I applied to be on this episode because these topics are so interesting. The people chosen were great. In high school I wanted nothing more than to share Africa with African Americans. Although many rejected me and mocked me for my background, some accepted me and l cherish those relationships greatly. I wish for African Americans to understand that we are truly not that different from each other. Hating each other fuels the fire of hatred that slavery and colonization created which means we lose in the end while they laugh at our demise. I wouldn’t be here freely as an African if it weren’t for your struggles. Let’s work as a team and make our ancestors proud. It’s a family reunion ❤
How do you apply
Yeah, some of our ancestors came from Senegal as well actually looking at DNA tests. I'd love to learn more. Im glad the Camaroonian gentlemen was there.
One of my best friends is from Senegal.
@@vilheard3030 oh wow! It’s nice having friends from all walks of life.
@@sparklesp9304 yeah the door of no return is in Senegal and so many slaves were taken from there as well 😢. I’m glad he was there also he had some great points.
Coming from Cameroon, new in the us, facing tribalism, racism, and so much question that have been opened here... I thank you guys for this conversation. I actually needed it
Hi namesake, lol. My name is Inès too.
It's sad to see black Americans hating Africans, while we welcome them to Africa 😢
Africa has racism too
me too 🇨🇲 🇨🇲!!
Jeremiah 29:11 !
As an African-American in Atlanta, I have these conversations all of the time with African friends and their friend groups. I feel fortunate to have the upbringing and point of view that I do. It really helps in these conversations.
The word slave comes from the word slav. The fa t is there were more white slaves in africa than black slaves in america...
@@nova77791 where's the proof
@@dondrickdem just wiki it. Fairly easy if u really want to know
@@dondrickdem u cant copy links to utube. But u can also look up the term in the dictionary.. if u dont even bother to look it means ud just prefer to stay in ignorance as it fulfillls a belief
@@nova77791 wiki is not a reliable source, speaking from research experience and working at libraries
Thank you Mr Skipp! You said some things I've never heard before and I appreciate it!🙏🏾
"Race isn't an obsession, it's a distraction..." - Very true!!
Race is the law of the land.
It's a distraction when your obsessed with it
yes
I have a suspicion that differences in skin color, etc. are simply excuses to rally the masses (perhaps the only people who actually care about those things) of their respective nations behind them, but the elite know the real division in society: haves and have-nots.
@@TychoKingdom where?
I really wish there was someone from the Caribbean in this conversation. I feel we have a unique perspective as African descendants. Hopefully there's an opportunity for that to him in the future.
Big up to yout dem!
I was thinking that as well!
Even Afro Canadian
@@anne-juliest-leger948 Who? Nobody cares about Canada.
@@youtubesucks1821 😂
I rarely comment on TH-cam videos but I’m Nigerian and I want to commend Elizabeth because I feel like she explained how I feel perfectly. Especially when she said it’s easier for Africans to downplay racism because we don’t understand it. I mean we may understand it but you don’t fully understand something unless you have been through it. It’s easy to think “why’re you complaining when you literally have water?!” And not think about how everyone has struggles and Racism is a struggle black Africans have gone through. We have all suffered, no one’s suffering is less. It is all painful at the end of the day.
I wouldn’t say I completely understand racism now but I am grateful for every black American who fought through resilience and effort to open doors for all black/African people because without them we would not have Africans in America at this point seeking opportunities.
They didn’t fight for anything without them Africans would still come with America stop acting weak
@@tylergriffin2499 I just stated my thoughts on it lmao. Don’t be so pained
@@onye9618 why would I be pained ? And lord knows you no African stop the cap
@@tylergriffin2499 you’re obviously pained because you’re here this early in the morning trying to invalidate my opinions. Why you think I’m not African is beyond me. I clearly stated that I am a Nigerian in the comment and I also just moved. Not you coming for me when you literally have the most English name ever. Tyler, abeg find peace with yourself and stop replying strangers comment. I wish you well
That idea is so small minded also some people in America do not have access to clean water.
But going back to the first idea. We do not stop fighting for better just because others have it worse. That's makes absolutely no sense to say oh people have it worse than me so I'm not gonna fight to make life better for me and my children. Why settle for less than you deserve.
I think you don't get it because Black Americans are Americans we have the American spirit the American culture. We want the American dream we want luxury we want excess we are willing to work hard so we can play hard and we don't settle. Being idealistic is very American.
I've recently started watching these debates.... and appreciate how this discussion was had and the fact that a moderator wasn't needed. Yes, someone voiced the prompts, however it was just a conversation amongst beautiful individuals comparing and contrasting their cultures. Nice to see I wish it was longer with more people.
The energy in the video feels calm, it's like the two groups of people feel safe around each other
Safe? Why because they’re all black? Nonsense, you’re statistically more likely to be attacked by someone who looks like you. I’m black and i don’t see this imaginary racism these people are talking about, I’m more afraid of someone that looks like me VS somebody who doesn’t.
No yt that's why. Perfect.
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I can appreciate that.
family moment
As African it always irritates me when other Africans say AA's complain too much about racism in America not understanding the history of AA's and how it's still connected systemically to what's happening today when it cames to how they're unfairly treated disproportionately in incarceration, housing, poverty or even getting a loan from the bank. As a Somali I'm very thankful for AA's their voices matter. The sacrifices they made directly benefits us. What some don't understand is what happens in America directly affects the rest of us. The U.S government has huge amount of controll and leverage over the continent of Africa. Only the politician's and the leaders they choose will stay in power as they will use their unlimited resources to manipulate and instigate till they get the outcome they desire in Which is based solely on exploitation.
@Blessing You're not seeing this thru clear eyes the wide spread inequality practices that was implemented against their ancestors for generations is the root cause and there is a direct link between poverty and crime.
@Blessing it’s part of the problem the reason why crime rates are high in black communities is the lack of resources they just did a study saying if black Americans receive reparations the crime rate will go down drastically!
@@Jeff-xv6gk She is only seeing the smaller picture. There list of issue why things are way they are. There was governmental policy to undermine black people in American for a long time and when it comes to crime rates AA's are always under the scope black neighborhoods are Patrolled more racist judge's, profiling, stop and frisk etc ...
@Blessing build upbyour home countries African booty scratcher
@@TopS7You people never take accountability, you're clowns
I'm not black, not African, not American and not white. So as a total outsider to this conversation, i really appreciate how everyone was so understanding of each other's points and there was no angry dismissiveness. Gained a lot of perspective.
And black Americans ain't African! But some Africans ancestry is from America!
@@corythegoat2745 literally all black people are originally from Africa, what are u on abt
@@corythegoat2745black americans have african ancestry and how would african people have ancestry from america
they’d be mixed
Thanks for taking the time to watch. Means a lot that you seek understanding and not judgement. Cool human 😊
Amazing to see this conversation in balance 👍🏽 , great episode!
it would be really interesting if you could do a “North Africans vs Middle Easterns”. especially after all the heated conversations that surfaced during this Qatar world cup
That sounds like it could be very dangerous lol
That sounds like it could be very interesting
Yeah ok like the Arabs are going to take any accountability.
this would be very interesting
hadnt thought about this... and yes that would be very very interesting ..
Skipp’s point about supporting community vs supporting the system was something that I never had really thought of, very accurate point
Same! I never saw it this way before.
Would explain why BLM vandalized black owned homes and torched black owned businesses.
Read more Malcom x, that was like his whole thing
I’m Nigerian and what Black Americans have done. Should be applauded more. They are great, talented people.
I agree 100% . They deserve more credit and understanding. They are amazing and strong.❤️Im Eritrean.
The impact of slavery on law, generational wealth, self-esteem, culture, and relationships with whites today all come from slavery.
And Africans would NOT be able to come to America and thrive without the sacrifices of American black people (civil rights movement, etc.). Do Africans really know and understand what people went through during the time of Jim Crowe and the horrific things people had to go through for basic rights, and African people just come to benefit off of all of that hard work??? Yes, it definitely needs to be applauded much more!
Thank u We really appreciate it seems its easier for ppl to just hate first vs educate themselves and understand
@@travelpro23 Why do you feel so attacked.
Like you are being so passive-aggressive.
"African people just come to benefit off of all of that hard work"
Both sides suffered, for your information.
This felt like a family reunion amongst Distant relatives. Great Convo. The police don’t care where u from, your skin is your sin
So proud to represent my community in this episode and those among us who may not be the first ones invited to the conversation. So much love for all the people involved in this and love my African fam
Love you too Kai. I wish we would all come back together and be brothers and sisters like we used to be. 🖤🖤
Really, really enjoyed you Kai. Blessings to you.
When you said your last name is king that brought tears in my eyes , I remember visiting the UK and there’s a large number of Caribbean people there and me coming from South Africa it was a shock to see how they all had slaves names and last names at that point I knew slavery was real😢
Your contributions were brilliant, and this cohort gives one hope for Black unity! Peace and blessings!
👏👏 It was such a great episode and very interesting. Thank you for your insights! Great point about how race obsession is a white supremacy issue.
As a black brazilian, I thank you guys for this open conversation, very clarifying
Are you single?
@@sandman62100nah bro ur down terrible
nunca, nunca
Just saying hello to my sister from Brazil. I really think it’s long past time for a stronger connection between African Brazilians (I don’t know how you all refer to yourselves) and African American because I truly believe in we are the only two groups of African people who can understand each other’s struggles.
@@MikeyLikesIt89 and afro-colombian too
As a native from Aotearoa , I’d love to see “progressive Native Americans vs traditional Native American”
😂😭😭
interesante @Jesse Ross
Where?
@@MB-mg6ky I'm confused what's so funny?
You mean $5 Indians vs Traditional Mongoloid Native Americans? 😂😂 that would be so awesome
The Bigg Homie Skipp doing Bigg Thangz Much Respect
This is soo golden. As a Nigerian in the US, I have experienced different layers of biases and prejudices back home( cultural, social, economic and institutional biases etc). We were raised in struggles- to strive to get the bare minimum, that when we come here in the US and see AA complain, we feel that they are being ungrateful to the system that provided everything we struggled to get even in a place we call HOME. ‘I mean, how can I as an immigrant have access to scholarships, housing, quality food, security etc’. However, after a class in digital cultures with many people narrating their biases, I realized that even we who want our marginalized voices to be heard (regardless of place) have in fact become passive oppressors to other groups who we gaslight because we don’t relate to their struggles. And by doing so, we become the very oppressor we sought to repress. Therefore, by acknowledging each other’s pain like Skipp did in the beginning of the video where he acknowledged the struggles in Cameroon while also acknowledging generational and modern slavery of AA in America, we can all build a healthy community.
Biases and struggles exist even in the tiniest unit of human existence, until we acknowledge ALL, we will keep fighting for equality and equity.
As a african Americans I think this was beautifully said. Thank you
Great comment
Thought-provoking comment. Well done.
Don’t Africans get money from the government in the us
Just to check if it was true
As an African person I really appreciate that they made this video. Bc I've always felt like Africans and African-Americans are really different in a lot of ways.
Edit: I didn't mean to start a whole fight in the comment section, I just wanted to highlight my experience of living in the USA and seeing how different Africans and African-Americans are. Like their behavior and how they talk primarily 😭
We are
We had to fight for our rights and while we were doing that the Africans waited until the smoke clear to come over and reap the benefits off the slave ancestors.
@@reggiemiller6274 ohh this 🙌🏽 they really would never understand our struggles!
We are n that's ok
Your comment is kinda cringe and why it's hard to truly come to a middle ground.
Finally! I'm glad they've had this discussion. However, I wish they would've included questions that pertain to the divide or tension between African American and Africans?
I think that’s a big reason why this topic was requested so much (and Jubilee knows it)
What questions?
@@itumo2645 like I would've liked to hear whether Africans feel that its cultural appropriation when black people in America (or anywhere else) wear traditional African clothing. With this group, I don't think they would've, but I still would've like to hear it.
@@emilevanrensburg8094 In my opinion it’s really weird how people get offended when someone wears clothing from a different culture. Usually no one gets offended when it comes to people from different cultures enjoying food, television, books, movies, videos or video games from other cultures or living in other parts of the world and being friends with or even marrying someone of a different culture but the moment you wear clothing from a different culture it’s going too far and it’s offensive.
Africans selling other Africans into slavery
9:32 I loved Elizabeth’s take. I have come to understand that from an outside perspective how easy it is to look at us as complaining even though we have privilege in comparison to other countries but I like that she sat down and tried to understand it’s not about that. It’s about how we are treated compared to our peers. AND how far we have come and paved the way for black immigrants to have the privileges that’s they have today when they come here
Finally! I've been waiting forever for this. I wish they included a question like "I feel misjudged by the other side." And more questions that are related to diaspora wars. That's where most of the discourse occurs.
I agree. I was expecting that too but this was great conversation
I think most of the diaspora wars comes from not understanding the topics that were discussed in the video. Each side thinks the other has it better when in reality both groups have been oppressed. The Nigerian and Cameroonian rep kind of touched on it when they were talking about the resources that African Americans have such as running water etc. 8:40
@fatimayusuf4296 I'm African-American and my boyfriend is from Nigeria. So I don't want to see African-Americans and Africans fight. However my boyfriend and I have thoroughly talked about discourse throughout Africa and the African diaspora and have both gotten a better understanding of the other side. I wished the things that cause more discourse would have been discussed because I think we all need to have better understanding of each other.
We don’t interact with each other enough for there to be mistreatment. We tend to stay separate and judge each other based on here-say.
@amberawchild I see what you're saying. Maybe I should've said misjudged instead of mistreated.
The gentleman in the blue expressed beautifully the opportunities we have here..even if it seems small. Coming from where he's from, he's very grateful for any opportunity.
He doesn't have the victim mentality... he's the most logical one
Agreed, really wish the older guy hadn't cut him off around 7:30 would like to have heard his full point
@Tre Tyler you can’t have ptsd for something you’ve never experienced it doesn’t work like that
@@lordquastheonly Intergenerational trauma is real and has been proven.
@Lord Quas you absolutely can though. per the dsm-5 (the manual used to diagnose every mental disorder there is) literally the first criteria is either: direct exposure to a traumatic event, witnessing a traumatic event, learning that a relative/close friend was exposed to a traumatic event OR indirect exposure to details of a traumatic event. being directly exposed to something traumatic is only 1 of 4 ways to meet this criteria
As a women with a Liberian mom and an African American father. This was needed. Growing up the divide between both cultures is so hurtful.
as a ghanaian and african american i understand you sm
💯 Deeply painful existing in-between both worlds
Sounds like they need to just keep the two cultures separate. AA's can do nothing but negatively impact the beautiful African continents countries. Culture, their respect and dignity.
@@calebbecker9706 we don't share the same culture as Liberia. At all. We're American ....How?
@@NB-nh2sf Liberia was an American colony at one time where they sent slaves back following the civil war and still holds ties to the United States in many ways. It is easier for Liberians to get visas to the US than many other West African countries because of their relationship with America. If you visit Liberia you will find they listen to American music and adopt other certain aspects of American culture moreso than countries like Ghana and Nigeria that used to be British colonies. This is besides the point but I just want to say the people of Liberia are some of the most welcoming and kind people I've ever met and worked with. I've never been to another country where you can so easily become friends with just about anyone you meet.
Guy at 1:50 talking about how he was ashamed of his color of skin growing up I wonder how he would feel to hear when I was a kid I grew up in a predominantly black and Hispanic community and I was embarrassed being white I would tell people I was Hispanic just to try and fit in now can I say I have suffered from racism and have post traumatic stress ? I don’t get it we have had similar experiences but since I’m white those experiences have no weight for me
Africans and Black Americans are two different cultures. I wish people would respect the differences and keep it moving.
Exactly
Indeed. Black people are not a homogeneous group. An American Black person is different from a Black person from Africa, and both are different from a Black person from Latin America.
African isn't a culture though
@@theelolicious9302 Are you joking? Each African tribe has a separate culture than African Americans. Like idk if you wanted them to specify a specific country in Africa or what not but they do have culture that is different.
@@theelolicious9302 well yes there are more cultures within African but they mean the cultures of black ppl from africa with their own respective cultures based on their country are different than african americans
We Need More conversations like this. I respect this interview.
i’m white, and of course i have no clue what it’s like to live as a black person, but i loved watching this. this is the type of video i think EVERYONE needs to watch, no matter what your race or background is. this video was beautiful and educational. i loved this respectful discussion
Question: Do most White Women have jealous tendencies around Black Women?
Same here :)
Look up white slavery
What did you learn from this video?
As another white person I agree with this comment fully
10:23 The point is just because you live better here doesn't mean we should settle. "Oh, it's not that bad" it doesn't matter.They need to treat us better. And we should keep rising. Just because it's better than your last situation doesn't mean that it is okay
Everyone kept minimizing their own personal painful story in comparison to another. There was so much empathy but also still so much shame. So much healing and reparation(s) needed! Malcolm X said "I cannot heal if there is still a knife in my back"
Yh, cause African countries got reparations for colonialism?🤨
That’s pretty superficial
@@brightokeke2463 did you not read the comment it says "needed"
@@brightokeke2463 still needed deeply for all people represented in the video, in all forms and not just financial and infrastructure 🙏
@@brightokeke2463 Britain owes Africa, and no one said reparations was received there.
What I meant in the statement above is that she didn’t give any substantial reason for there to be a “needed” reparation. Africa didn’t ask for reparations and most other colonized and enslaved area in any point of history, it’s more of bitterness and lack of moving on than wanting to “heal”.
Africa doesn’t “need” reparations. What we need is making our government and people accountable for their actions.
Finally. The most requested video on Jubilee. This video was requested multiple times by multiple people for YEARS, and Finally it's here.
True
Ikr people have been waiting for ages
I thought they would never make it
@@itsonlytherain736 I thought that they wasn’t gonna make it too.
Idk about y’all, but I’m disappointed
As an African American, this conversation needs to happen
As an African I agree
It already happened.
@@jasmine-kg7dd he probably meant needed excuse his grammar
African Americans have many excuses. Africans dont have the luxury of excuses.
This conversation has been ongoing and tiresome there are entire chanels dedicated specifically for this
A necessary conversation, that needs to happen constantly or periodically. An African brother once dropped an insight & perspective ( does not capture the entire experience/ destructive & horrendous experience ) gave me a lot to think about : We all felt the pain in extremely difficult/different degrees in many instances , however our enslaved Ancestors,brothers & sisters pain is still ongoing. As Africans our ancestors also lost their children, brothers, sisters & communities. It is a deep ,deep conversation we need to have & peel black on the stories to come together.
"We're just living in the ripple effects of the stones that were cast in the pond of history" Beautifully said!!!
It really hit me too
That line was everything!
DAYUM
Remember, but don't live in the past.
We need a Haitian and Dominican conversation like this
I would pay to see that conversation
No we dont…. Both of those countries are equally corrupt poorly ran by their own country people… enough said… you can say that about each country in the Caribbean… they are poorly ran by Godless children of the Devil.
Now THAT would be a great conversation.
Wooosh they not ready for that.
Great idea
Elizabeth was very well spoken and down to earth. She is an amazing person who understands what needs to change and how our mindset should change to help others.
I love the dialogue between all of them. It’s therapeutic to share the history and traumas on all sides. It goes to show how there is a common denominator of who is imposing this racism.
As an African, I am so grateful for this conservation.
"This is their system. Why would we dream of being equal in a system that wasn't designed for us?" that hit me
Fr.
If only there was a whole continent where things are set up in their way.
@@MrRono19if only that same whole continent wasn’t terrorized by colonialism last centuries
@@kimplications If only they would stop terrorizing each other nowadays and just move on.
@@MrRono19 The reason African countries terroize each other to this day is because Europeans drew the boarders and decided which tribe was in which country because they wanted our resources. There are more tribes of people in Africa then anywhere in the world and Europeans came in with zero knowledge or regard of any of that and drew up the maps.
Its like if an African ruler walked into Europe and drew a map of Europe and put Russia, Germany and France as a single country or put Turkey, Greece and Italy all in one country. Those are all countries with different cultures and histories as well as beliefs, ofc there would be civil wars.
This was one of the most peaceful Middle Ground episodes I've ever seen. Everyone was so respectful and willing to listen even when they disagreed.
1:01 A point of clarification, a vast majority slave owners didn’t give slaves their last name. A slave owner, wouldn’t want to share their family name with a person they think lesser of.
A huge step to healing the black community is having healthy conversations like these and finding common ground. This platform can indeed keep this energy going by adding other types of black people from different backgrounds and culture to push more healthy conversations. Love.
Wonderful conversations. Everyone was so informative in the topics they brought up, everyone is willing to listen, and LEARN. I learn so much from this. Would love to see a middle ground with multi-ethnic people in America discussing possible feelings of alienation to all their backgrounds. ( I'm African, Japanese, and Mexican) I celebrate all my cultures, but sometimes I am not allowed into those communities because I am not "this" or "that" enough.
Oh yes great idea! I would love that! I am German Indonesian and Portuguese and I feel the same way
I feel the same way as Japanese, Filipino, and Guatemalan. Would love a middle ground on this topic.
I absolutely love that idea as someone who is also mixed (white, indian, mexican) and has experienced racism from from all three of my cultures
Hispanic, black and Indian here. Would love to see this
Wait Africa is a continent, you got to name the other ethnicities but Africa doesn’t deserve that? You’re Not Asian and North American but Japanese and Mexican but for Africa there’s no need to go further???
This was such a wholesome discussion. Loved how everyone listened respectfully. Great job👏
They’re not disagreeing when they said slavery didn’t impact their family, but I also feel like they don’t realize it did because it destabilized Africa is a continent
I’m so happy to have been part of this episode 😊
you were amazing!
Love your take on the American dream
You were amazing!! I actually loved your insight 😊
Are you planning on building up your home country?
@@ivyrainbitch why you replying to every comment? get a job bro.
As an African, i didn't think this way before but now, yeah I think it's very important to NEVER forget what they've gone through in that country but at the same time work on themselves especially first from their family structure and also help their community to attain TRUE POWER in that country. That's what i feel, being on twitter, black Americans don't have REAL power in America after all these years. Yes they lead every kind of social discourse,black music is the most consumed music, they have the most social/trendy influence, and sure white people can't say the n-word without dire consequences. I know this sounds strange, but I feel like black people are just used as some kind of pawns in the government. Like their whole existence is just being politicized but even they can't see it. All I know is I truly want to see them on top in that country fr. 💪🏾❤️🖤
That's not strange at all. You're very correct about minorities being used as tools by those in power.
Its something both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of. Your analysis on the issue is spot on.
There was a time when black Americans were beginning to become prosperous. But Jim Crow laws were enacted.
But even then American blacks prospered. Made a community of their own. In the center of it was a place nicknamed black millionaires row. But "mysteriously" it all got burnt down. 🔥
you are smart! Black people are just used by politicians and have been for decades! Democrats again and again tell you to vote for them, that they would change the system, but again and again nothing. They tells you to focus on racism and "police brutality", so you will not start improving your life. They manipulate you again ang again, but you keep ignorantly vote for them!
I am with you. I always was dismissive and had a " get over it" attitude. Until i looked further and saw how much slavery dammaged black people in social and emotional aspects. So now i absolutely agree. We have to come together. Every african descendant.
@@lolaispure4296 Thank you, as an African American that means alot because I and many like me think that you knowing where u r from and have indigenous African culture is a privledge and at least you are not deemed the lowest. Even if u come to America. Now I understand that neither of us have it great.
This conversation between Africans and African Americans was a long time coming because I’m tired of the division in the diaspora between the two groups.
There really isn’t division I am first generation African American but there is differences
@@Jibril_Abdulkadir misunderstanding is a better word, we never really got a chance to talk to each other until recently because of all the systems keeping us apart.
@@Jibril_Abdulkadir wait how, can you be first gen African American. To be African American your ancestors were slaves
we get along in real life its just bullied africans and insecure african Americans online
but as you said they are different diaspora? division is expected no?
9:57 Input. You may be mistreated in your country, and it seems like we should just look past our grievances, but there's a reason you come to America. Said it yourself, "I want to do better for my life and family". Not only that, we can't just accept it and move on and try to "be successful". Sometimes we have to stop worrying about that and worry about the state of the whole community. Being successful in this country for us, often means you have to step on/over your own people for just an opportunity. That's a plague in our values.
I loved how Kai couldn't stop laughing at Elizabeth's jokes. You can always see him in the frame laughing when Elizabeth was being funny, he seems to appreciate her humor a lot lol 8:32 12:21
And 23:00 :)
I caught that too😂
Yea I saw that too Nigerians can be so funny without even trying
@@williamchimezie7423 facts haha
@@williamchimezie7423 Facts.
Thanks for letting me be apart of this episode Jubilee!
Lance, hi.
I respect and agreed with what you had to say💯
U did so well 🎉
Heyy
@@DaddyM7MD hi
As a South African, I'm happy that Lethabo is representing us.
I am too. I was getting tired of seeing similar things and south Africa is represented by Whites
She was great
And she wasn’t whiteeee😭😭😭
@@rachele6844 woah
These are important conversations to have and show....
The.entire western Diaspora and the Motherland... That's the "Real Talk" we need to be having? and sharing with our youth!🎉❤😊
The only Jubilee episode where I’ve agreed with both sides entirely! This episode was amazing!! Everyone had wonderful things to share
I’m literally one minute in and the guys already made the claim that he can have post traumatic stress disorder, from something that happened to someone else. That is objectively untrue. You shouldn’t be agreeing with everything, I’m omitted in and we have something that is just factually inaccurate
@@MrJpmoneypants if everyone made great points ingrate, that is called a "consensus".
@@MrJpmoneypants do trauma and the stress of said trauma can’t be passed down from one generation to the next, okay sure
@@KrisFlicks It absolutely can not and you disrespect people with PTSD to claim otherwise. Its not what "stress" means, its not what "trauma" means. You're not thinking, you're repeating.
My grandfather used to tell us the story of the flying Africans and this story taught us the slavery hurt all Africans because people were taken from their families and those families mourned. And the people who were stolen we know their loss...but often we forget how many young children in Africa lost parents, uncles, Aunts and siblings. Slavery hurt us all.
yeah, those black people enslaving other black people really damaged the african continent. So much damage done by black people
It was other Africans that enslaved other Africans and sold them to Arabs and Europeans,the truth will set you free.
they were not 'stolen'. They were sold by their own black 'brothers' lmao. Clown.
@@penultimania4295 they were stolen
@@tylergriffin2499 Some were and some were sold. Its called tribalism. Africans were complicit in slavery but got the short end of the deal.
White people ask other whites with accents "where are you from i love your accent!" It's not an obsession with race, it's an interest in your wherabouts, culture and a curiosity about your life story. It is a compliment.
Whites asking other whites… totally missing the point of this conversation.
@@fewcusino people do that of regardless of your race or ethnicity. As a black person people ask me about my southern accent white or black- it’s literally curiosity, people don’t gaf about race to that extent..
It’s only an insult to that person if they are embarrassed about being different, which, ironically, means that person is the racist, not the person asking about their culture.
@@fewcusi no point missed. its a comparison.
@@fewcusi You ever asked someone where they are from? Were you ever curious of someone's accent? Stop being stup1d.
Wow this was such a wonderful civil conversation 👏 this is how you properly communicate and exchange ideas. I would like to see more like this.
Generational trauma… the trauma from past generations that shaped behaviors and attitudes that continue to affect the current generation.
This is how slavery has affected the current generation. A huge responsibility is put on the current generation to change those attitudes that have been instilled over time.
Similar to the families infected with addiction. I will never forget my nieces’ conversation with my sister. My niece was making an observation how our whole family were drinkers and smokers…even the young ones in a time when smoking was frowned upon.
My niece was told that she was to be the change… stop the cycle. Basically we passed the buck onto the young. Hopefully over time, our family will be addict free. Praying for that.
Sounds about white.
@@TingTingalingy yes, absolutely. I am white. No shame. Mostly human. Don’t know any different. How about you?
@@cherylpursell199 you buy into that generational oppression crap. Your should give black folk reparations. Do a drive even for them.
@@TingTingalingy I’m still trying to find any positive contributions that you have made to this conversation.
A lot of black peoples still don't, know their history. The older peoples do not want to talk about it, bc it hurt to much. So ppls just be guessing.
They need to make a part 2. This was one of my most anticipated episodes of middle ground
Btw glad my country was represented 🇿🇦 South Africa
I'm a South African. I feel like our lady kinda failed us in expressing Apartheid and outline all its aspects and impact .
@@smngvncnt8017 I feel that too.
@@smngvncnt8017 I feel so too. Also the kwaito comment
So how does Orania still exists? I thought South African colonisation was over. Please excuse my ignorance
@@blackairforce13 well Apartheid officially ended in 1994 in South Africa. Orania is just an attempt at creating a separate state exclusively for white/Afrikaaner people who hate living under the new found "democracy". They just want to segregate from black people.
10:20 as someone who is African but born in the uk, tribalism is such a prominent thing in African cultures and has its benefits and drawbacks. However, I feel as if the drawbacks are prominent as he mentioned oppression due to ur clan/ tribe. I’m Somali and I heard some parents say. They’re rather have their child marry another race or ethnicity than a tribe they look down upon
But speaking from my grand parents point of view, tribalism allowed them to reconnect with people of the same ethnicity abroad and carries that sense of home even when your not home
What you call tribalism is actually nationalism. You see, in Europe, they can it nation, but when they come to Africa, they call it tribe. French is a tribe, English is a tribe etc. That's how it's supposed to be in Africa but they came and created artificial boundaries lumping up different ethnic nationalities into one country. That's why there's always struggle and strife.
@@jonralph8843 That's a really interesting way of putting it. I'm trying to picture the map of Africa organised in tribes rather than "nations", artificial borders. Wouldn't there then be hundreds and hundreds of tiny countries in Africa?
@@zoeskinner2871 think I’ve seen attempts at ‘dividing africa properly’(or at least way better than how the europeans did it), I can’t recall how it looked exactly but it wasn’t as fractured as you might think. Some tribes could very much so be lumped together because of so much shared commonality between the two - language and culture. In the same way you see varying groups of people under one country in places like europe too.
@@md244-w6v This is very true. Nigeria has some 300 ethnic groups but it’s very reasonable for Nigeria to be divided into ~12 countries because so many ethnic groups have either similar languages, cultures, histories or ancestries
I’m amazed and also sad how in the US, for example, when you sign up for school, or go get a vaccine, or etc., they always put a check box with the category of race.
I think that’s being racist. Cause they are already judging you for that. And people take that for granted.
When I lived a few years in the US, my mom was trying to look for a job, being Mexican, and a lot of jobs declined her for that.
Here in Mexico, when you apply for a job, they just ask for your resume, for the years you have been working and your experience, and also something that is called RFC (which is the code you have since you are born, and that has a registration of all your data).
And here in Mexico when there is a conversation about race, or money, or traumas we just laugh about it, we don’t take anything serious. We have a saying: who gets mad first, they lose.
I think in the US, they do take a lot of things very serious and also extreme. Like using the race or oppress card to “win” an argument or sometimes make stuff up, to make the other person look or feel bad. They can’t just live a normal life without thinking of that.
I know the situation it’s very hard for a lot of people, and it’s horrible what some people go through, but it’s very important to understand that it’s not okay to make others suffer with your problems.
It’s important to ask for help, not to invoke hate.
Ypur experience dont compare to the African experience. You're speaking without the knowledge of the subject. Live one day in our shoes then respond.