Pellet Testing With The Weihrauch HW80 Air Rifle
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- Pellet testing the HW80 with surprising results. I've had a few HW80 owners try to tell me that the Crosman Premier Domed Ultra Mags 10.5 gr. were "THE" pellet. I tried em' and they were right! Never expected them to outperform the H&N Barracuda Match with it's much better consistency but they did..
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The HW80 was developed as one of the first supersonic capable spring rifles through collaboration between Weihrauch and Dr Robert Beeman. It was possibly the first ever air rifle powerplant designed with the aid of computer modelling and was marketed as the Beeman R1. The HW80/Beeman R1 known for being robust, precise and dependable has become the benchmark against which other full size, powerful break barrel air rifles may be judged. It is often referred to simply as 'The Workhorse'. There is even a book written about this rifle called The Beeman R1 Supermagnum Air Rifle by Tom Gaylord.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm aware of these facts, but some of the viewers will definitely benefit from your efforts.
Always a pleasure, my friend.
@@razor1962 Thanks very much, forgive my rambling, I appreciate the spring gun content. All the best.
That wás a surprise! Look at that grouping! Since 4 days I own a Hw80, used. But very nice still. Serial nr. shows its made between 2018 -2020. I wanted the Hw80 for so long, and now I have one. I only quickly removed the stock to peek, and I saw new greyish Moly grease. It dieseled a bit the first ××× shots. (With a little smoke) I saw a steel spring guide! But it has zero twang to my surprise fortunately. But still I always need to open a new (to me) airrifle. Degrease it. And lubricate it to my satisfaction. Now its also a .177. So still looking for the best pellets. I remember having a "big box" of Crosmans a decade ago. Very cheap and lasted a long time.But more importantly: they were accurate! So after seeing this video, I order these Crosmans also😁
The 80 is a powerhouse and so well built. It was a dream of mine to own one one day. It took 45 years, but I got one. 😊 Thanks for watching, my friend.
Thank you, for taking the time to make such a beautiful piece on a legendary air rifle. God bless you, and your endeavors. Keep well…
Thanks so much Tony. I glad to hear that you enjoyed the video.
I truly can’t get enough of this beautiful beast of an Air Rifle . Thanks for sharing . I am endeavoring to acquire one soon
I'm glad that you're getting something from the videos. I hope that you don't have to wait too long to pick up an 80. Thanks so much Richard.
I want a HW80, I've always wanted a HW80! From my own experience my "magnums air guns" shot and grouped better with heavier pellets. My mid range velocity guns, such as my BSA Lighting SE prefers the Crosman 14.5 grain pellet. Love to watch you shoot, Kevin. ScottinPa.
That's right Scott. My .177 cal 80 likes Crosman 10.5 gr it shoots them quite accurately.
On my Beeman R10 (HW85), heavier pellets almost always outperform lighter---less the 8.5 grains. The H&N Crow Magnums are very good, and back in the 90s when Crosman Premiers were of outstanding quality, the 10.5 grain clearly outperformed the 7.9. In fact, the 10.5 was the most accurate in my R10. Recently I have been using Air Arms Diablo Feild Heavy at 10. grains, which are the most accurate at 25 yards. The H&N Field Target Trophy performed fairly well too. The only lighter pellets that I have tested that were close were RWS Meisterkugeln target pellets.
It looked like the wind may have affected the Barracuda group as it seemed to be strong enough to shake the target when you fired it.
Anyway, just found your channel and very much enjoy it. I live in Japan and only get home for the holidays to should my firearms and airguns so I have to get by with airsoft and watching other guys shooting on TH-cam. Your videos are well done and interesting.
Thanks so much. Typically "magnum" springers do better with heavier pellets. So glad to hear that you're enjoying the channel. Thanks for watching.
I've got an HW80K in .22 caliber and have similar results with the Crosman Premier.
Thanks Keith. Those Premiers are surprisingly accurate in many guns.
Thanks so much for watching my friend.
I really enjoy your channel. Thanks.
Thank YOU! I really enjoy wonderful comments like yours.
Great review, I must save my money and get myself a hw80 soon. Thanks for making my mind up.
My pleasure! However, if there's a wife in the house, please don't blame me for your purchase or she'll hate me. 😄
Give the H&N Silver Point pellets a go, they are an 11.57gr .177 and I bought them to tame my Crosman Nitro Venum Dusk that was shooting almost 1100FPS with 8.2gr. I managed to tame the gun down with the SIlver Points and they are pretty accurate as well, I am gettingabout 830FPS with them and that is fine with me!
Thanks for the suggestion, my friend. I'll give 'em a try.
Im in uk ....yes all HW ,s ive owned loved the Crosman pellets ....really good quality 👍👍
Interesting. I need to run some tests...thanks for the video topic!
Nice vid mate,,I'm in the UK and shoot a hw100 SK in .177 and have tried numerous pellets but the top of the bunch are the crosman ultra mag 10.50 ,great punch for hunting although were restricted to the sub 12ft/lb but they certainly do a great job,,must be weihrauchs like crosman pellets,,good price too for a tin of 500,,happy days ,👍👍👍👍
Agreed, some Crosman pellets perform very well in many guns.
Thanks so much for watching my friend.
I have an HW 80 and it’s a champ with JSB pellets. All
guns are so individual. Each has it’s own “personality”! I really enjoy your efforts and demonstrations. I thank you for sharing your results and suggestions. Best wishes.
Thanks so much! I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying the videos.
Thanks for your viewership!
Pilot whale, is yours a .177 or .22
Mine is 22. @@ritesideofthefence5857
It is really liking the Crosman 10.5gr!
Enjoyed it Sir
Thank you my friend
I've always found Crosman Premier a pretty decent performer. I tend to stick with RWS Superfield though which just edge out the Crosmans. All my guns are PCP's though apart from a Webley Typhoon pistol which again likes the RWS Superfields.
Agreed. They do surprisingly well considering how inconsistent they appear to be.
Thanks so much for watching my friend.
My hw80 is in .22 and it prefers a slightly heavier pellet but more importantly a longer body pellet . Great comparison video, not too many different types to get your head around 😊
Thanks very much, and thanks for watching, my friend.
@razor1962 no , thank you for taking your time to post 😊
Crosman Premier Domed Ultra Mag and Hollow Point get a bad wrap because they're cheap, but they're some of the most versatile pellets out there. They usually work well in most guns and Gamo Break barrels love them. My HW95 prefers a bigger diameter Field Target Trophy or Baracuda Hunter Extreme, but still does ok with the Crosman.
I'm finding that out for myself. I always steered clear of Crosmans. That's going to change now that I've seen their performance in several of my springers. Thanks for watching!
I have a tin of crossman in .22 I haven't tried yet I'll definitely be trying them now. My go to pellet is air arms field diablo seem good in most of my guns good stuff 👍👍
Thank you my friend. Your feedback is always appreciated.
these Crosman pellets seem to be very good, unfortunately not available in our country or very expensive.
It's funny, Crosman pellets tend to be very inconsistent. Some will be tight in the bore while others will be loose. Still, they shoot well in many guns.
Thanks for watching.
Try firing about 6 pellets of the new type before comparing groups. The different lead types take about that many to line the rifling with its own lead before giving more true results. The crosmans seemed to group very well after the excites, maybe they are similar lead make ups?
You make a good point, Rob. Thanks so much for watching, my friend.
good video thanks
Thanks for watching Harry!
It seems that pellets perform at their best under 900 fps and this is reflected in your video. The R1/ HW80 is a much better performer in .22 cal. In the smaller calibre a lot of its potential is lost to inefficiancy. In .22 this rifle can launch Crosman Premiers at over 750 fps out of the box and when tuned can add another 100 fps and still be accurate. If you can source a book called: The Beeman R1 Supermagnum Air Rifle by Tom Gaylord you will be convinced that this rifle can be made into a solid performer. Many thanks for another superb presentation and in earning another subscriber.
Thanks Darren. I appreciate your obvious knowledge on the subject. I agree that most pellets do poorly at velocities approaching 1000fps. I'm already convinced that this rifle is a performer after seeing the group that those Crosmans produced.
Thanks for watching and a big thanks for subscribing.
True... But in .177 you can really stretch your range with the right pellets. I went .22 and sometimes I really miss those Hail Mary's that only the .177 can pull off. 😕
My hw 80s are UK spec, on our side of the big puddle(Atlantic) we are restricted to sub 12 foot pound kinetic energy. I use RWS superdome in both .177 and .22 and find they are quite good. Both of my hw80s are from the 1980s and still perform as they did 30plus years ago.
Hi Peter. Yes, there's a lot of potential in the HW80. It must be a sweet shooter at 12 ft lbs. Even at 19.5 ft lbs my Vorteked HW80 gives a pleasant shooting experience.
Thanks so much for watching my friend.
Thank you to all of you for your comments on the HW80. The various points you've all talked about make this a really interesting read. This is, in my humble opinion, a fantastic air rifle. I wanted one from being a young boy when I probably didn't have the strength to lift one up or cock the barrel, lol. It's so satisfying now to own one and thank you to Kevin in showing us how to do jobs on it.
Crosman Premier 7.9gr worked quite well in my HW77K. The heavier pellets seem to suit your HW80, I wonder if the excite pellets were going a bit too fast and losing stability? Bisley Magnum, JSB Jumbo Heavy or RWS Supermag may also be worth a try.
I'm sure that lighter pellets are losing stability and I do plan on testing a variety of heavier pellets. Great advice. Thanks as always my friend.
Is this an FAC air rifle . I’ve been trying to find a video on a full power here in the states rather than a sub 12 ft lb rifle. If so , how is the shot cycle when compared to an HW95?
Yes, it's a FAC version. I don't own a HW95 but the shot cycle reflects the power output. Mine has a Vortek kit installed which definitely smooths it out some while keeping the energy output right up there. Kicks pretty hard and gives the impression of power.
Thanks for watching and for subscribing.
Hi Kevin, yeah those crossman pellets seemed to love your rifle, like seeing the pellets hitting that old cutting disc (bell) just an idea for you maybe get a few steel knock down targets line them up on a pice of wood 2×4 or something also the spinner targets are great to see as well.
Anyway love the videos as always.
I saw in your older videos you have some nice drone footage, love to see an over view of your range sometime. You look like you have a nice pice of property.
Thanks Graham! I may pick up some steel targets. The problem is the fact that I have to take a round about route to my range because of a very steep and overgrown incline so resetting them is a chore.
I did employ a drone to give a tour of the range. Overhead shots would be cluttered with trees obstructing the view of the range so I flew the drone closer to the ground. Thanks for your continued input.
OK I understand, you know your land better than me, love the videos all the same. Keep them coming.
We always get the odd flyer with any pellets don't we.......but economy pellets, shocking how bad they are. I think they should be saved for the quick fire CO2 plinking pistols.
PS, in the UK, we can buy Crosmans but they are also branded as Webley Acupell.
Hi Mick! I wasn't aware that Crosman pellets were marketed as Webley pellets. That's interesting. I find that they shoot surprisingly well in many, many airguns.
I've learned my lesson with economy pellets. From what I can tell, they're a waste of money. Thanks as always my friend.
@@razor1962 when you look closely at the crosmans, they look very well made.
At the Target shooting club, they use the flat head version of the Econ 2 for newbies.......I have to say over 10 meters with my Feinwerkbau 600, they go exactly where I point the gun.........not that I'm hitting a 10 very often , I'm still learning Olympic target shooting.
Although I have used the last of the ones I've bought and tomorrow setting up the gun for RWS R10 target pellets, lots of Separate tests have said this is the best pellet for the 600, will use these in my 300 also.
Morning Kevin!
What's up Nibs!!? Morning my friend
Heading off to church
@@WalnutandSteel Happy Easter!
Anyone here have any use with the JSB Ultrshock.22 in this rifle? Works great in my Gamo Tactical PCP and was curious how it would work in a springer. Thanks
I haven't tried them in the HW80 but the 10.34 gr weight in .177 suggests that they'll do pretty well. This rifle prefers heavier pellets in this caliber.
Thanks so much for watching.
I'm curious if you have an opinion on which of your spring rifles is the most accurate at distance. I would think the hw80 and hw97 would be contenders. Thanks!
My 97K, my 35E, my HW95, and my Diana 34 all perform very well out to 55 yards. Even my little 30S can lob 'em in pretty tight at that range. My max range is 60 yards, so that's about as far as I can vouch for. I hope it's helpful.
Thanks for watching.
That was a surprise, wasn`t it?
It was at the time David. However, since then I'm finding that the Crosman Premiers perform well in many guns. Thanks for watching.
I have heard the Crossman premier weren't too bad.
Nothing wrong with Premiers. They shoot well in a variety of guns.
Can you get Orion sights for that? I like the one that comes with the iron sights.
The HW80 does come with iron sights. I took them off when I installed the scope. Don't know anything about Orion sights sorry.
Thanks for watching my friend.
@@razor1962 Cool that's great to hear!
Hello i think you got odd shots .becaus you trow the gun hard on the shooting bag . Then the barrel can lower a bit . .always lay rthe gun on the side and turn it up
And fasten the barrel pivot point .
That's a possibility. I'll try to remember to be more gentle and to place the rifle on its side when I set it down.
I am looking to buy a weihrauch hw80 177 caliber air rifle. Please tell me if the rifle is good. Thanks.
If you're looking for a "magnum " springer, you can't go wrong with the HW80. It's an awesome rifle.
@@razor1962 thanks 👍
Have you found a more accurate pellet for your hw80 since this video?
Actually, no. I haven't really spent the time with the HW80 to determine if there's a better pellet. Those Crosmans sure shoot well though.
Thanks for watching my friend.
@@razor1962
Oh, it might have been the third time … 😂 Just tried my mk1 with a lighter piston, short stroke n a vortek pg4.
Still liked the 4.52 jsb express
Did he shoot 5 or 6? In all the excitement you lost count
The question remains.....Do I feel lucky...?
Luck favors the prepared!
nice shooting kev, you been over on AGF2 lately?
Thanks Adrian. What's AGF2?
@@razor1962 Airgunforums, in the UK - the one that replaced the old forum
@@adrianmorris ahhh,....haven't stopped by there in awhile now. I guess I'm due...
@@razor1962 Be nice to see you again
Nice video, try-out the H&N baracuda match, 21.14 grain, its for air riffles above the 25 joule. I think thats
the best for de hw80, i owne one in .22 cal. And i'am very happy whit it.
Keep up the nice video's.
Greetings from the Netherlands
Thank you Hendrik. I'll be sure to give those barracuda a try.
Thanks for watching.
@@razor1962 i don't know or they avvaileble in de states if not, i can sinds TH-cam a can White 200 pieces
I can send you a can
@@hendriknijs5809 That's very nice of you Hendrik but that won't be necessary. Thanks so much!
@@hendriknijs5809 Yes. They are available here. Thanks so much my friend. No need to spend your hard earned money.
Outstanding ! Reckon those old eyes are better than you thought ? 🤔
An HW80 is seriously over powered for light weight pellets. I'd imagine they tend to spin out. RE: Tighter in the bore.
CPH are pretty high antimony, with a thick waste, so they have good resistance for Super Magnums. The thin skirt seals the lands quickly and the round head flys well at long range.
Kinda nice to be able to stretch your range with .177. 😎👍
I know the JSB heavies can hold their own but at extreme ranges I expect the CPH are just more stable on the ragged edge. The JSB's will group well but the CPH will hold it together longer. 😀
What glass and mounts on your HW80 ? #Weihrauch
Thanks for sharing what is obviously extensive knowledge. Your input is sincerely appreciated. This is the scope and the rings are cheap Chinese knockoffs.
www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-3-12x44-ao-swat-compact-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap?a=3429
Your doing well considering your shooting with the wrong arm.😅
It's a handicap but I've learned to cope with it... Thanks for watching Duane.
Glad your doing well,thanks for sharing your knowledge.
That was fun to watch your test. I know we can't miss with these; woosh, just kidding.
Thanks. You must've seen one of my outtakes. Lol. As always, thanks for watching!