You probably know all this already but here goes.. The HW80/Beeman R1 is an actual magnum springer with a 30mm piston, and installing the Vortek kit probably cost you 1 foot pound of energy. But that TWANG and vibration was so bad that I'd say the kit was still an improvement. Most folks prefer the HW95/Beeman R9 because it's a little tamer with the 26mm piston and spring that's easier to cock. Either way with that much power in 177 I'd go with a heavy pellet. Great video and who doesn't love a high quality springer. 🙂
I find it annoying that the rifle's are de tuned to 12ftlb here in the UK when they are capable of so much more power while keeping accuracy . keep video's coming always good 👍☺️
It's unfortunate that there's a restriction. Still, you guys are responsible for turning airgunning into an adult sport. When your power options are limited, your left with trying to extract accuracy instead of horsepower. Some of the best springer shooting I've ever seen was by folks in the UK. Be proud. You guys have certainly learned to make the best of an unfortunate restriction.
Accuracy is far more important than power. The difference in the field between a UK spec rifle and an FAC HW80 in the US is minimal. If you think that you will be engaging targets/quarry at significantly greater range, then you are WRONG. I've killed Magpies on numerous occasions at 50m with my UK rated Weihrauch rifles. Being accurate and knowing how to aim off is more irrelevant and important in the field than an extra 5-6 FPE over the UK 12 FPE limit.
@@liverpoolscottish6430 I couldn't agree more I have 6sub 12ftlb rifle's including a BSA r10se , hw97k ,tx200and a prosport .I wouldn't up the power on any of them they all shoot really well. But I would like a BSA r10 or similar with 30+ ftlb without having to mess about getting a licence I wouldn't bother getting a springer with more power because it's not worth the difference
Using your uk spec HW80 can you tell me how much energy is retained at 50metres? Unless you can consistently shoot 30mm witnessed groups at that sort of distance please don't shoot indiscriminately at animals. Thanks.
Thanks for this. Really appreciated. You have a relaxed style of presentation and it's a real pleasure to watch. You've really given me the push to get my HW80 out of the attic and start shooting again. All the best to you, from Wales.
Thanks for this video👍Nice to do the HW 80 review in several videos. My HW 80 in .25 cal does 18,3 fps with JSB King 25.39gr. 569,5 ft/s and 17 fps with Hades 26.54gr. 535.8 ft/s These are the only pellets i have tested. With the Kings i shoot very compact groups, almost hole in hole (25 meters), so there is no need for me to test something else. The Hades do fine too, but they spread a little bit more. Please keep on doing these great videos. I like them so much because they are honest reviews and there is no sponsored b.s and crap like a lot of others do. A lot of viewers here can only spent their money once on a springer and than it is important to make the right choice. I can recommend the HW 80 for those who also want to hunt small game and for pest control.
@@domhideo832 i,m from Europe so maybe it is not an option for you. I was looking, but i can,t find one here in 25cal. Just 177 and 22. Maybe they don,t produce the 25 cal anymore.
Great video like always! Such a pleasure to watch. I've got the same rifle in. 22 and it's such a stunning gun. I'm getting around 20ftlbs with the jsb heavies. I had some dieseling with the few tins... It's definitely broken in now and is very consistent. Best regards from sunny Barcelona
What is the velocity of the .22 and what weight pellets are you shooting. I’m pushing 698 to 712 FPS out of my HW95 with 14.3 grn JSB exacts. It the HW80 worth extra monies when comparing to MY HW95. She is wicked accurate out to about 50 yards.
Thanks for another great video. I am on the fence regarding one of these HW80’s as I already own a perfectly wonderful HW 95 in .22. Thanks again for sharing, you have earned a new subscriber.
Hi Kevin, Bought my HW 80 new in 88. Cannot see me ever parting with it. What a sweet gun to shoot. Just falls to hand nicely. I prefer the older guns with better looking stocks in my opinion. Best Regards, David.
Thanx for posting this. Just purchased my 1st Chrony, and my HW80 which has been sitting in a closet for a couple of years is only producing 425fps with the exact H&N's your shooting on that last string. Ive got issues to deal with.
If you like the 80 you should try a 90 ,the only gas ram gun i've been impressed with Kevin, I restored a one for a friend a couple of years ago, really easy to work on & tune with a stirrup pump(with the correct adapter).
Maybe some day. I kicked around buying one for awhile and a friend talked me out of it due to the need for a pump in order to tune it as you've mentioned. Maybe you'll see one on the channel one day. 😉 Thanks for commenting. Your input is always appreciated.
You could borrow one from a freind who shoots PCP's the adapter is around 15 dollars from ebay then you could work on any others for customers, I have one to fit the mk 2 HW 90 & a hills pump for my PCP's , they shoot great around 18-22 ft/lb, just too heavy for me like the 80 or I'd have one of each. Only takes around 8 pumps to get them up to working pressure & the seals are easily available ) rings.@@razor1962
@@junglie I've got all of that stuff already. I thought is was something unique to the rifle. Who knows? Maybe one of these days I'll pick one up. Thanks again!
I would love to shoot an FAC air rifle, sadly for anything over 12 fps in the uk we need a fire arms certificate 🤷♂️. Given the choice of an FAC air rifle I would have to choose the webley patriot I’ve always wanted one
thank you verry math for information Kevin!!!! i have with chrismas a beauteful brwoning as present but i dont like schooting with beqaus i can almost not coking open in myn wilscher , the day after loth of pain in myn arms
Sadly, the HW80 has been displaced as number two. I'm not too sure about number one either, but I think that I recall 30 ft/lbs is considered max on the 90. The Theoben rifles were doing about the same, and today, we also have the Hatsan 135 all the way up to .30 cal. for about 30 ft/lbs It would seem that the thirst for speed in airguns is a thirst that'll never be quenched. Airguns fill a niche where a quiet, low powered gun is the preferred weapon of choice. Yet, we all get sucked into that void. Some of us find our way back while others remain unquenched on the dark side...😉 Thanks for watching, my friend.
Good ear sir! I heard it too. Although I haven't opened her back up, I'm pretty sure that I know what's going on. There's a spring guide / piston sleeve that I didn't lube. I think it's binding a little as it enters the piston. I need to tear it down again and grease that sleeve. Nice catch! Thanks as always my friend.
goodeving Kevin , nice vid like always myn friend.i have a question is this hw 80 easay to breaking open ? of you most math pover ?Greethings from Koenraad
Hi Koenraad. The HW80 is listed as having a 36 lb cocking effort. I wouldn't recommend it for small framed individuals or kids. It's pretty stiff. I'm a good sized guy. (6', 225 lbs) and I have no problems cocking the rifle.
You mention about your gun dieseling, I don’t like the idea of your gun doing that. I believe it can lead to problems with your gun. The hw80 is such an easy gun to take apart and carry out maintenance on. If there is too much grease in I would clean it out. There are good videos out there to show how to take the 80 apart.
Hi Peter. Yes, I'm aware that prolonged dieseling can cause harm to the rifle. A small amount of grease made its was into the compression chamber when I installed a tune kit. The gun has since burned off the grease and is shooting as it should. Thanks for your concern and thanks for watching.
Those CPH will help you cough that sludge out from the tune. I had the same problem with the 350M. The light pellets don't offer enough resistance and it goes supersonic and the lightweights hour glass and gyrate out of control. 😉 She don't like the little guys ! ☝️😉 If you installed that PTFE Seal you're gonna want to limit that dieseling or you may burn up that seal. It's PTFE so it literally IS Petroleum ! 🙀 The heat from detonation will burn it up... 😳 EDIT: I mis-spoke Vortek seals are Moly Urethane, but the warning is still valid. It's too early for me to honestly say how long they'll last but considerably less than pure urethane. Still it's the price you pay for the easy installation, quick fit, sizing, and smooth stroke. 🤷🏼♂️ #Weihrauch #CrosmanPremiers #Vortek
@@razor1962 The Joy of a .177 Super Magnum is that you can reach out and touch things the .22 could never reach. 😀 Naturally the Curse is "The Taming Of The Shrew" Well fitted seals w/ a bumper & wiper, and Heavy Pellets ! That rifle WILL make 100 yard shots... God Willing ! The main advantage the .22 offers is bucking wind drift. 😉 I'm thinking the JSB Jumbos might remedy that ? 🤔 Higher mass and smaller surface area would seem to give the .177 the advantage. Up till now it's always come down to the .22's higher weight. Now they make JUMBO'S ! 😀 They used to sell long heavy Korean pellets in .177, but they were too long and keeled into the wind. 😕
Them 7.9's are cooking ! I wonder what kind of speed a 7.4 would reach now 😁 8-900ish Fps is usually the best velocity range for domed pellets {From what ive heard} This might play a big part in why you get good accuracy out of them!
There's a lot of banter back and forth about that. The first question is, what are you planning on doing with your rifle? If you're planning on hunting with it, then I'll always go with .22 For any other use, either caliber should provide lots of enjoyment. Also, if you're getting up there in age like myself, you may find that .22 cal pellets are a lot easier to handle than the .177 cal. Thanks for watching Babak.
The 80 is a very accurate rifle as a rule. However, due to its power level, it's not as easy to extract that accuracy from the 80 compared to the 97 and 77. I was able to achieve sub 1/2" groups with mine at 25 yards, and it's able to keep within 1" at 50. Hope this helps. Thanks so much for watching.
You probably know all this already but here goes.. The HW80/Beeman R1 is an actual magnum springer with a 30mm piston, and installing the Vortek kit probably cost you 1 foot pound of energy. But that TWANG and vibration was so bad that I'd say the kit was still an improvement. Most folks prefer the HW95/Beeman R9 because it's a little tamer with the 26mm piston and spring that's easier to cock. Either way with that much power in 177 I'd go with a heavy pellet. Great video and who doesn't love a high quality springer. 🙂
Great info! Thanks for commenting. Your input is welcome anytime.
Thanks for watching!
I find it annoying that the rifle's are de tuned to 12ftlb here in the UK when they are capable of so much more power while keeping accuracy . keep video's coming always good 👍☺️
It's unfortunate that there's a restriction. Still, you guys are responsible for turning airgunning into an adult sport. When your power options are limited, your left with trying to extract accuracy instead of horsepower. Some of the best springer shooting I've ever seen was by folks in the UK. Be proud. You guys have certainly learned to make the best of an unfortunate restriction.
Accuracy is far more important than power. The difference in the field between a UK spec rifle and an FAC HW80 in the US is minimal. If you think that you will be engaging targets/quarry at significantly greater range, then you are WRONG. I've killed Magpies on numerous occasions at 50m with my UK rated Weihrauch rifles. Being accurate and knowing how to aim off is more irrelevant and important in the field than an extra 5-6 FPE over the UK 12 FPE limit.
@@liverpoolscottish6430 I couldn't agree more I have 6sub 12ftlb rifle's including a BSA r10se , hw97k ,tx200and a prosport .I wouldn't up the power on any of them they all shoot really well. But I would like a BSA r10 or similar with 30+ ftlb without having to mess about getting a licence I wouldn't bother getting a springer with more power because it's not worth the difference
Using your uk spec HW80 can you tell me how much energy is retained at 50metres? Unless you can consistently shoot 30mm witnessed groups at that sort of distance please don't shoot indiscriminately at animals. Thanks.
Thanks for this. Really appreciated. You have a relaxed style of presentation and it's a real pleasure to watch. You've really given me the push to get my HW80 out of the attic and start shooting again. All the best to you, from Wales.
Thank you so much! I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to comment. Thank for watching!
Thanks for this video👍Nice to do the HW 80 review in several videos. My HW 80 in .25 cal does 18,3 fps with JSB King 25.39gr. 569,5 ft/s and 17 fps with Hades 26.54gr. 535.8 ft/s These are the only pellets i have tested. With the Kings i shoot very compact groups, almost hole in hole (25 meters), so there is no need for me to test something else. The Hades do fine too, but they spread a little bit more. Please keep on doing these great videos. I like them so much because they are honest reviews and there is no sponsored b.s and crap like a lot of others do. A lot of viewers here can only spent their money once on a springer and than it is important to make the right choice. I can recommend the HW 80 for those who also want to hunt small game and for pest control.
It makes a good series... 😉
Thanks so much! The HW 80 is a superb rifle. It oughta' be a hoot in .25 your feedback is always appreciated.
you have the site to order the HW80 in .25 cal?
@@domhideo832 i,m from Europe so maybe it is not an option for you. I was looking, but i can,t find one here in 25cal. Just 177 and 22. Maybe they don,t produce the 25 cal anymore.
@@rapalaron6348 oh dang..okay thanks
Great video like always! Such a pleasure to watch. I've got the same rifle in. 22 and it's such a stunning gun. I'm getting around 20ftlbs with the jsb heavies. I had some dieseling with the few tins... It's definitely broken in now and is very consistent. Best regards from sunny Barcelona
Thank you so much my friend. Can't wait till my rifle settles down and quits dieseling. Wishing I was in sunny Barcelona.....lol
What is the velocity of the .22 and what weight pellets are you shooting. I’m pushing 698 to 712 FPS out of my HW95 with 14.3 grn JSB exacts. It the HW80 worth extra monies when comparing to MY HW95. She is wicked accurate out to about 50 yards.
@@ritesideofthefence5857 16.09 ftp
Have u killed a large animal with your hw80?
Been curious about the Weihrauch rifles, the HW80 looks nice. I like the long barrel and open sights.
It's a big rifle. If you need power, it's a good choice. Thanks for watching my friend.
Great review. If I bought an HW80 .177, I think I'd be shooting the heavy pellets. Those were some great numbers for the 10+ grain heavies. Thanks!
Yup. Heavies are the way to go with those kinds of numbers. Thanks for watching, my friend.
Thanks for another great video. I am on the fence regarding one of these HW80’s as I already own a perfectly wonderful HW 95 in .22. Thanks again for sharing, you have earned a new subscriber.
Thanks so much and welcome aboard 😀
Hi Kevin, Bought my HW 80 new in 88. Cannot see me ever parting with it. What a sweet gun to shoot. Just falls to hand nicely. I prefer the older guns with better looking stocks in my opinion. Best Regards, David.
Classic rifle. I agree, the early stocks, particularly the Goudy design were far more attractive than today's efforts.
Thanks for watching my friend
Snap, bought mine in 88 also. Still shooting it today.
Found you through Nibs at Walnut and Steel.
Good content
Awesome! Great to have you aboard. He's got a cool channel over there. Nice stuff.
thanks a nother great video that 80 in 177 it's a hard shooter as my Diana 48 in 177 it loves the H N barracuda hunter extreme 9.57gr
Definitely a hard hitter. Planing on testing a variety of heavier pellets. I'll have to try those Barracuda Hunters.
Thanks for watching
Nice to see a real work horse of a gun showing its true colours
Thanks Geoff and thanks for watching.
Yes, a work horse it is. German made quality. .
Always enjoyable to watch. Keep them coming👌
Thanks Colin. Your comments are much appreciated.
Thanx for posting this. Just purchased my 1st Chrony, and my HW80 which has been sitting in a closet for a couple of years is only producing 425fps with the exact H&N's your shooting on that last string. Ive got issues to deal with.
Yessir! Sounds like it's time for a rebuild. Thanks so much for watching.
Aussie Dave in PA Kevin,... Happy Sunday to you :)
Happy Sunday Dave
If you like the 80 you should try a 90 ,the only gas ram gun i've been impressed with Kevin, I restored a one for a friend a couple of years ago, really easy to work on & tune with a stirrup pump(with the correct adapter).
Maybe some day. I kicked around buying one for awhile and a friend talked me out of it due to the need for a pump in order to tune it as you've mentioned. Maybe you'll see one on the channel one day. 😉
Thanks for commenting. Your input is always appreciated.
You could borrow one from a freind who shoots PCP's the adapter is around 15 dollars from ebay then you could work on any others for customers, I have one to fit the mk 2 HW 90 & a hills pump for my PCP's , they shoot great around 18-22 ft/lb, just too heavy for me like the 80 or I'd have one of each. Only takes around 8 pumps to get them up to working pressure & the seals are easily available ) rings.@@razor1962
@@junglie I've got all of that stuff already. I thought is was something unique to the rifle. Who knows? Maybe one of these days I'll pick one up.
Thanks again!
Wow that velocity is screaming thqts impressive
Amazing rifle. It's a powerhouse but it remains shootable. Thanks for watching!
Very good video.
Thank you sir. Thanks for watching too.
I would love to shoot an FAC air rifle, sadly for anything over 12 fps in the uk we need a fire arms certificate 🤷♂️. Given the choice of an FAC air rifle I would have to choose the webley patriot I’ve always wanted one
Excellent choice, Dean. Thanks for watching.
Great channel 👏....subbed 🇬🇧
Awesome Chris. Glad to have you along for the ride.
thank you verry math for information Kevin!!!! i have with chrismas a beauteful brwoning as present but i dont like schooting with beqaus i can almost not coking open in myn wilscher , the day after loth of pain in myn arms
You need an HW30S Koenraad. Very light, easy to cock and accurate.
The HW80 is the second most powerful piston driven air rifle with the HW90 being the most powerful.
Sadly, the HW80 has been displaced as number two. I'm not too sure about number one either, but I think that I recall 30 ft/lbs is considered max on the 90. The Theoben rifles were doing about the same, and today, we also have the Hatsan 135 all the way up to .30 cal. for about 30 ft/lbs
It would seem that the thirst for speed in airguns is a thirst that'll never be quenched.
Airguns fill a niche where a quiet, low powered gun is the preferred weapon of choice. Yet, we all get sucked into that void. Some of us find our way back while others remain unquenched on the dark side...😉
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Sounds like it needs a strip degrease & relube kevin, the cocking slot sounds like it needs bit of moly needed there particulary.
Good ear sir! I heard it too. Although I haven't opened her back up, I'm pretty sure that I know what's going on. There's a spring guide / piston sleeve that I didn't lube. I think it's binding a little as it enters the piston. I need to tear it down again and grease that sleeve. Nice catch!
Thanks as always my friend.
goodeving Kevin , nice vid like always myn friend.i have a question is this hw 80 easay to breaking open ? of you most math pover ?Greethings from Koenraad
Hi Koenraad. The HW80 is listed as having a 36 lb cocking effort. I wouldn't recommend it for small framed individuals or kids. It's pretty stiff. I'm a good sized guy. (6', 225 lbs) and I have no problems cocking the rifle.
Morning Kevin!
What's up my friend?
T shirt weather today! Trying to figure out what I want to shoot
Lol... decisions, decisions...
Cooper here and overcast. Enjoy!
You mention about your gun dieseling, I don’t like the idea of your gun doing that. I believe it can lead to problems with your gun. The hw80 is such an easy gun to take apart and carry out maintenance on. If there is too much grease in I would clean it out. There are good videos out there to show how to take the 80 apart.
Hi Peter. Yes, I'm aware that prolonged dieseling can cause harm to the rifle. A small amount of grease made its was into the compression chamber when I installed a tune kit. The gun has since burned off the grease and is shooting as it should. Thanks for your concern and thanks for watching.
Do a future hunting video. THANKS 😊
We'll see. No promises...😏
Those CPH will help you cough that sludge out from the tune. I had the same problem with the 350M. The light pellets don't offer enough resistance and it goes supersonic and the lightweights hour glass and gyrate out of control. 😉 She don't like the little guys ! ☝️😉
If you installed that PTFE Seal you're gonna want to limit that dieseling or you may burn up that seal. It's PTFE so it literally IS Petroleum ! 🙀 The heat from detonation will burn it up... 😳
EDIT: I mis-spoke Vortek seals are Moly Urethane, but the warning is still valid. It's too early for me to honestly say how long they'll last but considerably less than pure urethane. Still it's the price you pay for the easy installation, quick fit, sizing, and smooth stroke. 🤷🏼♂️ #Weihrauch #CrosmanPremiers #Vortek
Nope. Stock seal. We'll keep on sending the heavies down range.
@@razor1962 The Joy of a .177 Super Magnum is that you can reach out and touch things the .22 could never reach. 😀
Naturally the Curse is "The Taming Of The Shrew" Well fitted seals w/ a bumper & wiper, and Heavy Pellets ! That rifle WILL make 100 yard shots... God Willing ! The main advantage the .22 offers is bucking wind drift. 😉 I'm thinking the JSB Jumbos might remedy that ? 🤔 Higher mass and smaller surface area would seem to give the .177 the advantage. Up till now it's always come down to the .22's higher weight. Now they make JUMBO'S ! 😀
They used to sell long heavy Korean pellets in .177, but they were too long and keeled into the wind. 😕
@@marcmyers1465 , Thanx for the lotta information.
Them 7.9's are cooking !
I wonder what kind of speed a 7.4 would reach now 😁
8-900ish Fps is usually the best velocity range for domed pellets
{From what ive heard}
This might play a big part in why you get good accuracy out of them!
From what I've learned, the 80 likes the heavy ones. Thanks as always my friend.
Which caliber do you recommend for HW80 FAC version? And why?
Thanks
There's a lot of banter back and forth about that. The first question is, what are you planning on doing with your rifle? If you're planning on hunting with it, then I'll always go with .22 For any other use, either caliber should provide lots of enjoyment. Also, if you're getting up there in age like myself, you may find that .22 cal pellets are a lot easier to handle than the .177 cal.
Thanks for watching Babak.
Try the rws hobby 6 grain.
I'll keep 'em in mind.
Im thinking about buying the Hw80 SL, i have a 97k and 77k how 8s the accuracy and range compared to the 97k and 77k?
Greethings from the Netherlands
The 80 is a very accurate rifle as a rule. However, due to its power level, it's not as easy to extract that accuracy from the 80 compared to the 97 and 77. I was able to achieve sub 1/2" groups with mine at 25 yards, and it's able to keep within 1" at 50.
Hope this helps.
Thanks so much for watching.
@@razor1962 thankyou your information has bin helpfull, i think im getting the 80SL of the 98, for range and accuracy what do you think is better?
@@RadjahZigenhorn The 98 should edge out the 80 in accuracy. Range should be about equal.
@@razor1962 cool thankyou for you help
Que versión es la que se le puede poner supresor? Saludos
This HW80 is three years old. I'm certain that there are moderators which will be suitable for this rifle.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
What grain weight pellets are you using, my hw 80 does not have this speed.
These numbers were with H&N Sport pellets at 8.18 gr.
I find the rifle most accurate with 10.5 gr Crosmans.
Thanks for watching.
@@razor1962 The HN ,5 grains will, get the,1100fps.
Did you try some pest control or smal game hunting with HW 80...?
Not yet. I've got some bird feeder raiding grey squirrels that I plan on introducing to the HW80 though.
Thanks for watching!
The gun was cold,on the first shot,that is why so low on fps.
You may be onto something.
Has this gun been super tuned?
It has a PG-4, high output Vortek kit installed.
I am looking to buy a weihrauch hw80 177 caliber air rifle. Please tell me if the rifle is good. Thanks.
If you're looking for a "magnum " springer, you can't go wrong with the HW80. It's an awesome rifle.
@@razor1962 thanks
Is your hw80 been super tuned???
It's running a Vortek HO tune kit.
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Per cortesia vorrei conoscere la marca e le caratteristiche dell' ottica montata sulla tua carabina. Grazie.
The scope is a UTG Accushot 3-12 X 44mm.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Es 5.5???
Using H&N Baracuda Match, we achieved an extreme spread of 5 fps.
Que calibre es el rifle?
.177
@@razor1962 ¡Gracias mi amigo! 👍