Is THIS next after the GH7?
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- Ok I dont think the Lumix S9 should actually be a MFT camera, I just wish we could get a full frame AND crop version you know? Wouldnt that be kinda cool?
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0:00 The S9 but its a MFT Camera
1:24 Creating Version One
2:56 Creating Version Two
3:37 Realistic Size and Weight
5:53 Additional Features for our MFT Cam - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Nailed it! Let’s see what June 5th has in stock for us
Hahah I didn’t realize this was about to become a prediction video!
@@RhettThompsonFilm That’s what you do best, right? 😁
LX100 successor or GH7.
A range finder Olympus Pen F with full weather sealing and nice ibis
Agree with everything here. I also think since it's a smaller sensor it is less likely to overheat so record limit could be less limited or have none at all. I know the processor adds to this as well, having a bluetooth module adds heat, having anything metal that attracts and holds heat without a proper way to dissipate in such a compact body all adds heat. On top of the fact that everything newer is bigger, faster, and stronger. I personally think the S9 size is already really good. I mean it's smaller than the Fuji X100. It's very close to the size of the ZV-E1/ZV-E10 so it's already tiny. It's quite literally the same size as the Panasonic GX9 (maybe a couple mm wider and taller) but that's it...WITH a 35mm Full Frame sensor. So, I think the body gets a pass and just add those few extra things you stated.
Yea realistically the S9 body is smaller than every Lumix camera released since the G100 so I think we could all get behind that. Seeing everyone’s comments is making me really excited there will actually be a little GM6 or something
coming from the GH5 I never really needed to upgrade. Now that they have introduced phase detect, things are starting to look very interesting. patiently waiting for a GH7 even if I have to wait 1 or 3 years longer. :)
GH7 available in july 2024!!!
@@GrenlandUnderVann yeah I've heard about the rumours yesterday but it's not confirmed yet 😁
@@kenslyder fully confirmed. And GH6 has been discontinued.
@@GrenlandUnderVann Nice I would be the first buying it for sure! Can't wait 🤩
A multi-flip screen like the GH6, I mean being able to tilt & flip is useful for photography and video.
An M43 GX9 continuation with mechanical shutter and hot shoe,,,would be nice. cheers
Love this, here's my thoughts.
G9ii sensor.
All the video specs even if you have to add some record limits. Open gate, 4k 120 etc. maybe 120 with a crop but ideally not. 4k 24 and 30 should have no record limit.
Flip up screen not flip out. Does vlogging in a pinch.
Built-in viewfinder with an option for better higher res hot shoe mounted viewfinder.
IBIS of course.
Mechanical shutter for sure. Street photographers often use blur so I think that's important.
Maybe a refreshed lens to go along with it? New pancake maybe? I think if they could refresh the 12-32 with a slightly wider aperture or slightly better reach that would be amazing.
Crazy addition would be an internal ND, X100VI has it so why not?
I think Panasonic have to look at what Fuji have done which is not significantly limit their lower models to save the higher end. I don't think this will compete with the G9ii, just different users so give it everything. Make it a street shooting, personal video, travel cam beast. This is what the XT50 has at 1399 USD:
40MP X-Trans BSI CMOS sensor
X-Processor 5 with majority of capabilities from X-T5
Image stabilization rated at up to 7.0EV
20 Film Simulation modes, including Reala ACE
Continuous shooting at up to 8fps (20 with E-shutter and crop)
Subject recognition AF
Tap to track AF in video mode
Video capture up to 6.2K/30 in 10-bit up to 4:2:2
4K 60p with 1.14x crop
Raw video out over HDMI
2.36M dot viewfinder with 0.62x magnification
Tilting rear touchscreen with 3.0" 1.84M dot LCD
Battery life rated up to 305 shots per charge (390 in eco mode)
UHS-II card slot
That's tough competition.
Also internal nd filter
@@essiturbo I actually said that haha but I agree yes
Not all street photographers use blur though?
@@Hexlord and? Not all street photographers shoot video, use an EVF etc.?
@@endah08 You say they use blur often. So I wish to correct you on that. :)
this is what should be a Gx9 mark ii
I like the thinking, but prefer a built-in EVF. It doable just like the GX9. Otherwise sounds like it’d be a great addition to the m43 lineup, and one that many people have been hoping for.
I’d also prefer that as long as it doesn’t drive up price!
Gm5 had an evf
Great video. I think one thing you haven’t touched on is who is the market for this camera. The S9 is aimed at content creators. I think this camera will hit the X100 crowd from a more photo-centric angle. A small photo-centric MFT has not been addressed since the GX9. The current G9II is the successor to the G7, the G100 could be seen as the successor to all the small non-ibis cameras including the GM line. I think a GX10 is the more likely model they would go with. I think you’ve mostly nailed it.
A couple of points on what I think Panasonic is likely to launch.
- S9 style body housing a MFT sensor - they have already cut down the S5II to the S9, so it’s the easiest option.
- No EVF, just the title screen
- 25MP sensor with IBIS
- PDAF
- $1200
- Close to G9II video, but probably not an included mic/headphone port.
- Similar weight to S9
- Luts
If we got everything we wanted it would be an updated GX body with all of the above +
- Manual control dials
- EVF
- Weather Sealed
The expectation is that 2 cameras will be launched. The GH7 and a GX10 (or similar name) is what I expect.
My Wishlist for MFT:
- L100 III a bit bigger with IBIS a flat version of the GH6 display implementation (tilt and swivel) and leaf shutter
- G90 mII (min G9II)
- gm5 + 14mm + 20mm all Mark II + the upcoming 18-40mm and that funky display would be what i want
if you had the choice/to choose what would you go with: internal ND or mechanical Shutter?
G90 mII (25 Mpx + PDAF + 4k@60p 10 bit 4:2:0 uncropped)
That’s a hot comment and I want all of that!
@@angeloplayforone hard to see where a g90ii fits when you can get a used gh5 or g9 or for a bit more a gh5 or g9ii. So I think it would need even better specs than this but some limitations in IBIS, record quality, and record length in high frame rates.
@@endah08 it is the size of G90 and gh5 or g9 used does not have PDAF. Even Nikon Z30 with age old sensor has PDAF so by not having PDAF on that same pricepoint mean people choice is Canon, Sony, Nikon or Fuji not Panasonic. Panasonic needs new user entering their ecosystem. That is why Lumix will introduce a lot of camera this year. No PDAF is no sales at 2024.
@@angeloplayforone fair point, I'd love to see a g90ii all the same
I'm really looking forward to the new gx9, mft in a compact package. I am waiting for my second voigtlander 17.5 mm f0.95 lens)))
Wait this is actually sick
Thank you sir, what do you think? Is the S9 body small enough or would you try and use the vibes but shrink it a bit more?
@@RhettThompsonFilm well think about that if they put the G9ii (same body size as the S5iiX) into the S9 theoretically it could fit but would have the same compromises maybe
30mins recording limit is still acceptable in 4k. Hot shoe is must. Mechanical shutter - not really necessary, I use Oly Em1 Mk 2 with 'silent mode which is global shutter and it works pretty well, and it's 2016 camera so I think the new MFT would handle it pretty well. I really want to see the dual Iso sensor with IBIS and of course phase detection autofocus. Anything smaller and cheaper than G9 II is going be amazing!
You done a YT on what many photographers have been wondering about past week ! 👍🏻
This is a high compliment!
Full frame was the biggest mistake of the S9, closely followed by the lack of EVF and flash. The S9 with lens is way too big for a compact camera. Compact requires the MFT camera we have been demanding. The only reason MFT compacts started losing sales was only because of lack of PDAF, and updated video specs. We only ever needed an updated GX8. Heck, I would take an LX100 III, or a G100 II.
Panasonic hoped we would all switch to L-mount. Nope. If I am going to invest in a new lens system it would be E-mount. But I am not wanting to abandon my beautiful MFT lenses. Come on Panasonic, we need more compact MFT cameras. I love my RX100 VII, but I would prefer a MFT compact. Sony proves that little cameras still sell well, if it has good specs an EVF, and good AF.
Spot on!
I’m glad you agree! Only time will tell for sure but I’ve got a decent track record
The GX9 limitation was no mic input
GX9 would be a good starting point to predict how a new Lumix MFT camera might be like.
It just needs modern specs plus mic/headphone port. Everything else that people complained the S9 lacks (EVF, mechanical shutter, hot shoe) the GX9 already has.
One of the people invited to the S9 launch in Japan has said that the launch was originally intended for something else, which is why the S9 launch was a bit of a car crash. As a MFT fan boy I'm hoping it was a new MFT camera which was unavoidably delayed for some reason
Completely agree with you !!
A man of culture I see
It's possible to put the S5-II in this body with IBIS so it should be possible to do the same with the G9-II and there is some room left to go smaller or put some features in.
I personally would put an EVF in as most important feature.
I don't think a mechanical shutter is needed. The sensor might be fast enough for a flash sync at 1/50s like in the GM1. I think a hot shoe for sound input would be much more interesting but I don't expect such new features in the small camera. May be in a GH7 or S1H-II.
May be there is also room for some heat management to get a bit longer recording.
A little bit more buttons or a wheel could be helpful.
Fun video!! I think the weight ratio doesn't work as the S5ii has a fan which the G9ii does not but if you it is even half it's still pretty light
Good point! Probably not gonna be as light as I thought but I assume a bit lighter even in an identical body.
Just shrink the G9II into a GX85 body with a tilt and flip-out (or up) screen - that would be the perfect MFT câmera.
Tilt and flip can really increase the size but I really love it
I love the size, weight and ergonomics of the G90. I'd really like to see an updated version of that with the autofocus of the G9 ii and without video crop. Probably not achievable, but that would be ideal camera for me.
Only time will tell I suppose!
I want a S9 version of 4/3 camera.
OM should release a new Pen-F
That would be sick
The only thing the GM1 needed was autofocus. I got it and i love it. In fact any mft compact camera was incredible, but autofocus...
I'm going to need the tiltable flash from GX9
Imho the Leica q series (wih its 28mm lens) is the benchmark. Minimal but fully functional menu system, so tactile form factor - in fact I sold some lumix and bought one, albeit a used Q1. Altogether love it✌️
Thanks for the video. My thought was similar, so it was nice to hear from yours.
I thought that it should be for a reason, that g9II and s5II share basicly the same body. It must be cheaper in Production, i guess.
So they probably built the smallest rangefinder FF body, with the s9, they could, to have a micro 4/3 version share it.
So I would say they will not shrink the body of the s9. The question for me is how much space will come free this way?
I miss Headphonejack, EVF and a second control wheel the most.
I wonder how much space a second controlwheel would have used up. But maybe they left it away to not disturb the tiktokers
I would finally upgrade my Lumix GF1 for this. ❤
M43 lenses are great and compact, but aren't they already somewhat discontinued? The 14 and 20mm pancake lenses are hard to find.
I buy everything used now. Mpb has great prices on lots of this stuff! I got my 15mm Leica there to use with my G100
Just all the G9 functions with the newer 24MP sensor in a smaller GX9ii body please , surely it can be done- tech gets smaller every day..........
I would buy the GM5 if they re-release it.
I heart it was popular! Never used one though.
just released that Panasonic will be announcing a mft camera on June 5
Ohhh?
@@RhettThompsonFilm th-cam.com/video/eEQjla17XHY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=r44RXUB372HAYiln
@@RhettThompsonFilm The S9 was not supposed to be the camera for the Osaka event. Probably GH7 next week.
@@GrenlandUnderVann they gave everyone the wrong camera? Oopsy
@@RhettThompsonFilm Well, why wasn't the new kit 18-40 mm zoom ready for the event... Very strange IMO.
I just want a GX9II,or a GH7 with the same colors of the GH6 and the same rawlike details of the GH5.
I want one
Gx85 body with the G9ii sensor please
Now with the release of deluxe eight, Elke, we know what’s next in micro 4/3
It will be LX 100 mark three
And I think that will probably be it
It might be an update to the GH line
But sadly, I have a feeling that Panasonic will face out 4/3.
Don’t think there is much interest in the production of sensors for 4/3.
Just like Sony is not doing much with their one sensor anymore
You know what ??? There is a new rumour. A new Lumix M43 camera announcement for the 5th of june. You may see the future, man :)
My wishlist video just turned into a prediction video ….
@@RhettThompsonFilm The 5th of june seems to be the release date of the GH7 !!
Its got to be the GH7.
These episodes are looking crisp Rhett. Are you using the s5II to shoot them?
General rule it’s either G9ii or S5ii depending on how I feel. And a mystery camera for a few recent videos as well..
@@RhettThompsonFilm What, you got the GH7...
@@GrenlandUnderVann no sir
If micro four thirds *it has to be* smaller. I think it's ok a bit bigger than a GM5 but still smaller than a GX850. Maybe small like a GF10.
Small and light is the whole point of micro four thirds. Otherwise why not pick a Fuji.
And yes, they have made big m43rds bodies lately, I think they companies are putting the format at risk by doing that, as bigger sensor cameras have shrunk and continue to shrink.
I'm happy with the Big Bodies like the G9/2. It allows for 4K video with no overheating except extreme conditions, as well as tons of other photo features. Also it makes huge lenses like the 10-25 much easier to handle. But Panasonic does have to get back to their roots making small bodies.
@@overnightdelivery Micro four thirds in general has to get back to those roots. It's the reason the system was made to begin with and now that bigger sensor cameras have shrunk it's ever more important to come with compelling models that are smaller.
The issue is everything smaller is outdated. Behind the times.
@@Raist3db Not nearly enough compact photography focused bodies are being produced. That is for sure. Hopefully that trend reverses soon.
@@overnightdelivery Just to clarify: the big real issue is that all the smaller bodies are using old "hand me down" tech. Imagine a cutting edge OM-5 with the metal build of the EM5MarkII. (example).
You could just get the upcoming Leica D-Lux 8.
Tell Leica to send me one cuz I think I’d love that
Maybe it call Gh6s haha, I see the picture of rumor is dark
No way Lumix will sell new m43 to compete the same target with S9 at the same time.
I don't know : For me there are only 2 possibilities . The GH7 or a M43 version of the S9. If they make a S9 M43 without compromises, I think the sales can be good for the 2 models. Some will buy one because it is full frame, Some will buy M43 because everything is included without compromises. It could make sense
The G9 II just came out are we writing this Camera off ?
What do you mean by that?
@@RhettThompsonFilm What would this Camera actually be losing not to take out the G9 II in Sales?
LUMIX can’t afford to make that mistake twice. 😅
@@moneyboys2010 ergonomics :)
@@moneyboys2010I will be getting G9ii and another compact m43. It is not that unattainable for most.
Clip on EVFs suck - if for no other reason that they stick out and catch on clothing and camera bags; I've owned several from Ricoh and Leica; integrated EVF is essential.
Same reason I dislike SLR designs and the flippy EVF of the GX9. At least if it's detachable you can choose to have a sleek/small/light camera some times or one with an EVF other times (e.g. longer lenses or when you're carrying with a strap). Either way if the choice is between no EVF and an attachable one, I'd go the latter.
As a G9 user I suggest an alternative.
Ditch the screen completely. Viewfinder only on the far left corner, a good one. If someone needs a screen, use a remote method.
Built in electronic zoom to use with a couple of fast primes.
4:3 and 1:1 format only.
Same video and audio ports as G9. Enhanced sound capture capabilities if possible.
Target phone users, not existing M43 customers.
Cell phone users mostly don't care about raw vs the jpeg quality from a camera like this, they want simple to use.
Ability to have user preferences for each user, like a windows computer. That way my wife can have her own settings and not mess with mine.
Oh no, please not a removable elf…better tilting like on the gx8/9. And weather sealed + a little better grip like on the gx9, just like on the gx8. Call it the gx10…
I’d like that as well but I also know chopping the EVF is a large cost saving measure and was trying to be realistic
@@RhettThompsonFilm to be realistic means to me personally…we need two cams. A GX900(?) as a budget cam…with all the news on mft (sensor, af and so on) but build a bit cheaper - removable evf, plastic housing.
And we need a follow up for the gx8 - gx10, premium build magnesium/alloy housing with weather sealing, tilting screen and evf and so on…
✌️😜
I know 100% that the next MFT is GH7 and is basically a G9ii with active cooling, a faster sensor with open gate 60p and other video modes that are compatible with the sensor speed. youre welcome.
Hope you’re in a safe spot where they can’t get you. That sounds top secret to me
they only just released the G9ii so it won't be another G9.
I know I was just goofin
June 5 - The camera originally scheduled for the Osaka event.
That’s an interesting take, why would that be?
"Lumix global summit" naming seemed to be too large just for the S9 announcement. Now, that makes sense, there is more!
@@sebastienblanchetiere1323 For all we know Panasonic might also have shown a 2nd camera at the Osaka event. I guess we will know soon enough if the june 5 date is also flooded with reviews of the 2nd camera from the usual suspects. Also timing looks perfect as they got 2 weeks to shot the S9 stuff, then another 2ish weeks for the 2nd camera.
Also, when Panasonic contacted Gerald Undone about "the new camera he would not like" - thus he was not invited to Japan - it might not be in reference to the S9, but a new MFT - a system that he dismissed in his GH6 review. It actually makes much more sense now...
@@sebastienblanchetiere1323 For all we know Panasonic might also have shown a 2nd camera at the Osaka event. I guess we will know soon enough if the june 5 date is also flooded with reviews of the 2nd camera from the usual suspects. Also timing looks perfect as they got 2 weeks to shot the S9 stuff, then another 2ish weeks for the 2nd camera.
Also, when Panasonic contacted Gerald Undone about "the new camera he would not like" - thus he was not invited to Japan - it might not be in reference to the S9, but a new MFT - a system that he dismissed in his GH6 review. It actually makes much more sense now...
@@sebastienblanchetiere1323 I guess they introduced two different cameras with different release dates. S9 got the #1 spot. I think this might have been the wrong approach. But heck, I'm not in the S9 target group.
Please take away the viewfinder w full size hdmi😂🎉
8k 60 50MP 6k 120 4k 240 1080 480 global shutter or at least 4 x the readout speed great cooling small fan headphone jack thunderbolt usbc ssd recording dual card slots multi angle tilt swingout screen.
Easy webcam use.
Wifi
Bluetooth
5g
Computatiinal photographery smartphone special ai efx chips.
The ability through USB c or thunderbolt to use the power of a smartphones cpu gpu AI npu. memory for added power storage touchscreen pen multiple cameras internet apps for split able PIP to switch between all cameras screen astrophotography super digital zoom 3d holographic efx luts filters buttons vlogging mics speakers battery charging extra fast transfer of photo audio luts efx and video files.
Plugin accessory optional port.
Grip battery grip.
Underwater cage.
Optional view finder.
Optional full size hdmi.
Optional flash.
Hot shoe.
XL audio accessory.
Lens budget prosumer pro
Wishful thinking I know.🤫🙏🥰
GH7 confirmed in 2 days
Please don't take away a viewfinder!
Comment on Gerard Undone mode. M43 is dead to me.
Gerald undone mode? M43 dead? Where is this coming from?
@@RhettThompsonFilm Gerard Undone mode = the way he talks about m43.
Also my comment is more a joke after the whole Gerard Undone video where Lumix did not invite him.
@@angeloplayforone not sure I wanna touch that one haha
@@RhettThompsonFilm He was right. 100 people invited to Japan to write fluff for the wrong camera.
@@GrenlandUnderVann respectfully disagree
To be honest M3/4 is pretty dead at the moment, much due to the mismanagement and poor products recent years. I really wanted M3/4 to work but given their products in the past few years, many users like myself who likes smaller lenses and body opted for FujiFilm instead, that’s why they are so successful while M3/4 keep changing hands. But I totally understand your concept. And if these companies actually listened to users and buyers like like you, they wouldn’t end up where they are today.
There’s still chance to change, if they would put more resources into it, but unfortunately, camera has become too niche for companies to invest. Seems like some companies are just trying to squeeze any residual value in M3/4 system, while other companies like Fuji and Sony are still dedicated to making products customers want. It’s too bad IMO.
i thought g9ii was a pretty good camera
@@moishelande-se6sf yeah sorry I didn’t follow the M3/4 and just realized it came out. Let’s hope they keep out up and keep releasing cameras that consumers want. Have to admit they stopped releasing good camera for a few years already. Even the new Leica D Lux8 is nice, and see they ever release it as the Panasonic LX100 (I forgot the models please force me if I’m wrong, I’ve been a Fuji user for 10 years now. )
My g100 perfect all day camera. Gh6 and g9 workhorse. G100 is perfect
I predict that it will still have a terrible menu system
Is it terrible? I always like it
Having used MFT since the GF1 (with its external EVF)- no to an external EVF. if they have to put a tilt/swing screen keap it small enough to include a built in EVF - having that bump of the external EVF was actually more inconvenient than having the flat(ish) top of a slightly taller camera with a built in EVF like the GX7/GX9 - I like the idea of keeping things small but the GX7 was far from big and had a tilt screen so a tilt/swing screen would make it marginally thicker but still compact,
I now mostly use the GX9 and that's probably as big as I'd want it to go, hight and width wise, this still manages to be much the same size as many of the classic film compact rangefinders I use/used -smaller (and lighter by over 130g) than my Leica M3 and M2 and Voigtlander Bessas, smaller than the Yashica GM, bigger than the Oly XA so it's in the ball park of these compact cameras.
That said a model below it as a GMx would be nice just update the GX range first - new sensor/af system, change the ports to the left or just allow pairing to bluetooth mics and headphones , add a full tilt swing screen and give it the same ballpark video capacity as the S9 and I'd be on the preorder list ASAP