I couldn't agree more! If E+H=Y was canonised, not only it would've capped AOT's TRUE main themes on a less insulting manner, but it would've also been the perfect endgame for Eren and Historia's character arcs!
Both thought they shouldve never been born but rejected that nihilism with natalism. Literally perfect but isayama thought eren should just die and paradis (and all historia’s children) got carpet bombed
Holy shti! I never actually thought about it! (Due to me not being a die hard fan of AoT) But now it really makes sense! Thanks for the video, I've enjoyed it.
One thing I wanna point out, "there was nothing stopping her marrying him before 139" Historia knew Eren intended to genocide the entire outside world, I think its fair to say she just didnt feel like getting married at the time. Especially if the main motivation for it was self-preservation in the face of either her and her children being trapped in the cannabalism cycle, or the island's total annihilation.
@@amishasaha5975 I asked the writer and he said yes. also look the eyebrows and compare. if he did it tru sex or founder power the writer didn't say. it happened when he visited her for the last time. thats it.
@@valentijnrozeveld3773 really? Have you asked Isayama himself? But in the whole internet it is said that Isayama stated that the child's father is the farmer. Also eyebrows? Dude me and one of my classmates have similar lip shapes but that doesn't mean his father is my father and vice versa. It might look similar in manga but anime clears the confusion. In the anime the child's hair is neither yellow blonde (historia) nor black (eren) rather it's light Auburn (orange ish)... Also the eye colour is nother blue (historia) nor green (eren) rather it's hazel... Only the farmer has these traits. This alone proves that the child is not eren's... If you are doubting the authenticity of the anime then let me tell you the anime version is the correct version not the manga as many people were not happy with the manga ending so Isayama made changes in the anime... You can recheck the last episode of AOT for more understanding of the child's details. Thank you 🙂.
@@GregSmithIII and why? Isayama himself confirmed that the child's father is actually the farmer not eren. Even the child looks almost like the farmer (light Auburn hair and hazel eyes)
I don't why but i always believe that Mappa did a great job making fans into believing that AOT is perfect but it got a lot of flaws and the fans just don't wanna believe it.
Bro cooked 🔥🔥🔥 But fr though, AOT ending is so bad it make my stomach ache everytime I see someone try to defend it. Their defense is so surface level I don't think they even understand any of the themes in the story
Holy sh, this bluw my mind ngl I feel like if Eren and Historea had a kid it would loki make the show better but at the same time it's like wtf was the point of Mikasa. Idk if I got these names right spare me
I don't think the contradictory writing is necessarily proof that Isayama intended for the ship to be hinted at, there was lots of contradictory writing post timeskip (especially in the final arc) that wasn't exclusive to just Historia
Don't you think that the plot trap of Eren/History is the same as in the first season it was Eren/Annie? Isayama made an ambiguous relationship between them, probably to create more intrigue and fuel interest in the manga. The romantic relationship of the main character with a hot blonde and the presence of a harem seem more attractive to some viewers. Anyway, these are just my thoughts.
Historia is a side character and she got better treatment and more screentime than a side character of her calibre deserved. There's nothing more to argue here. No one really cares about her outside of a few redditors.
shes not a side character. a side character is ymir or erwin or hange. she was integral for clash of the titans and uprising. thats not side character stuff. even if she was a side character, does not give a writer and right to disregard their characters
Dude, the gaslighting is absolutely fucking unbearable... What the fuck do you mean Historia was a side character? Since when side characters are coprotagonists like historia were in the Uprising?
It actually depends on your perception of how many times you have watched AOT... Isayama is a genius because many times you watch or read it, you find out many things... Unfortunately some people miss details or tend to forget things and jump into conclusions... I will be talking about Historia and Eren's actual relationship throughout the anime/manga. 1) Eren and Historia actually shares a sibling bond: Yes, they share the actual sibling bond. Reason? It's because of the previous to previous founder titan owner i.e Frieda Resis, Historia's older sister. It is already mentioned in the manga/anime that inheritor of the nine titans will also have the memories and emotions of the previous holders, so whenever Historia is in danger, Eren getting worked up is because of Freida's protection. A best example of this theory is both Armin and Grisha. We know that Armin wasn't romantically interested in Annie in the first three seasons (Remember, the events of first three seasons happened less than a year)... It wasn't until Armin inherted the Bertholdt's titan that he started to have feelings for Annie because Bertholdt loved her, and later Armin use to talk to her crystald body for four years! Same goes with Grisha, we know that he was never a good father to Zeke, but after inheriting Attack Titan from Kruger, he became a good person, good husband and a good father, which is a 360 degree change from his character. 2) Eren can't touch Historia: We know that Histora is of royal blood and if Eren touches her or vice versa, founder titan would activate. We have seen this during Zeke-Eren conversation when Zeke was convencing Eren with his infertility plan, where Zeke said that they can't touch each other so he passed him the ball. 3) Historia's lover: Yes, Historia has a lover in AOT, and it's nither Eren nor the farmer. It's Yimir! People always forgets that Yimir and Historia were in love with each other, so much that they want to get married to each other. In her last letter, Yimir mentioned that she is sorry that she couldn't marry historia because she is going to sacrifice herself for her and her friends safety. Yimir and Historia were already soulmates so how do you expect her to be happy with the farmer? 4) Historia wanted to help Eren: We know at first Historia was against rumbling but when Eren convenienced her, she decided to help Eren and proposed the idead of having a baby. We know that, when those Military were talking about they mentioned that someone has told her to get pregnant so that she can avoid being the beast titan. That scene was the plot twist, many people might have thought that it was Eren who told her to do that, but actually it was her her idea to do this. She only seek out the farmer's help as he was guilty of bullying her in past and is atoning his misdeeds by working in her orphanage and farm, where they might have formed a mutual friendship. Also Historia immediately went to meet the farmer right after the conversation, as you can see it from her appearance when she was talking to Eren, there were no sign of intimacy on her and it was exactly at the time of sunset. 5) Baby was born early: There is a high chance that Historia might have gone into early labour than the due time, since she is weak and frail plus with those rumbling sounds and burden of being queen. This would fit perfectly with the timeline. So this my points regarding Eren-Historia relationship. I hope if anybody ever watches AOT again, keep these points in mind and watch and you will find all the similarity.
Thanks for typing all this out and this was respectful and well written but im just gonna tell you now that youre wrong on multiple points. 1. There was already pretext for armin and annie’s relationship in the female titan arc and Grisha never blamed zeke for snitching because he realized he was a terrible father. Those developments didnt simply happen because they ate a titan like huh???? Under the same logic btw eren has to view mikasa as his daughter/family because grisha did; even in a vacuum this point is not good. 2. Historia can touch eren because historia isnt a titan 😭😭😭😭 3. Theres tons of relationships in aot where they love each other but cant be together like grisha and dina. To say that historia loved ymir so she would be unhappy with stardew valley guy is to say that grisha is unhappy with carla. ALSO your point of “why would she be happy” would go down a character assassination rabbit hole. Why would she have a kid with someone she was unhappy with? Thats just like her mother. Her mother who never wanted her to be born,who had historia because of her own selfishness and NOT out of love. 4. The titan wine plan was a thing and the yeagerists where just waiting on eren’s command. She didnt have a baby to protect herself/help eren bc that would not only go against her character but also be unnecessary. 5. Why would any author write a pregnancy supposed due date be a “few months” just to contradict this. You can rationalize it anyway you want but the fact is, you dont write in details and contradictions just to not explain them
"Eren and Historia actually shares a sibling bond: Yes, they share the actual sibling bond." Eren and Mikasa share sibling bond. Isayama: "For Eren, rather than a lover, he sees Mikas as a mother figure." Eren and Historia don't have a sibling bond. That's a stretch, a reach and a head canon. Nothing in the story implies that they have a sibling bond. The parallels that they have don't suggest anything about them being siblings. "Historia's lover: Yes, Historia has a lover in AOT, and it's neither Eren nor the farmer. It's Ymir!" Historia never reciprocated Ymir's feelings. You're making the same mistakes as EM shippers. Freckled Ymir was in love with Historia, yes, but not the other way around. And, yes, it was supposed to be Eren because him being the father made sense for the story. I disagree with this wholeheartedly.
@@GregSmithIIIHistoria reveals her name to Ymir, the first of all people, which means she trusts her more than anyone else. Historia says that she will always be on Ymir's side. Ymir is presented beautiful in the eyes of History, as a romantic portrayal of a character in the eyes of a loved one, in Utgard Castle (s2). Given the nature of the construction of all canonical pairs in AoT, I think this can be considered sufficient proof.
@user-cl7wz4hx3j Presenting someone as beautiful in someone else's eyes doesn't equate to romance. If Eren saw his mother as beautiful in his eyes, does that mean he was down bad for his mother and wanted to bang her? Or does it just show that she was influential to him. Freckled Ymir was influential to Historia, that's it. Freckled Ymir loved Historia romantically, not the other way around. Historia revealing her name to Ymir doesn't mean anything either. You guys are reaching A LOT.
@@GregSmithIIIIsayama confirms that Mikasa is portrayed more beautifully in Eren's eyes. In the finale, their mutual feelings are confirmed. The same rule applies to Historia and Ymir, Armin and Annie. This is not just the disclosure of a name, but the rejection of the mask of a polite and kind girl, and a demonstration of her true self.
historia was the second mc for 2 arcs in the pre timeskip bro. i dont wanna false dilemma fallacy you but either you think isayama literally just wrote in her being in love with a nameless faceless dude to avoid giving her any more relevance. OR you think isayama dropped her pregnancy twist because why would she lie about her due date and also not marry the guy she was "in love" with for 10 months. lets not assume im "looking for problems that arent there" because thats deadass such a childish thing to say bra
Never gonna forgive isayama for making my girl dirty in finale
3:18 yet some people are in denial about that
One of those situations where the hater is talented and has all the evidence so you want to argue with it but just can't
I couldn't agree more! If E+H=Y was canonised, not only it would've capped AOT's TRUE main themes on a less insulting manner, but it would've also been the perfect endgame for Eren and Historia's character arcs!
Both thought they shouldve never been born but rejected that nihilism with natalism. Literally perfect but isayama thought eren should just die and paradis (and all historia’s children) got carpet bombed
Whatever you’re smoking I want it
Is historia love eren ?@@dekuopioids
@@souvikbiswas5601 before 139 yea
Eren litteraly is the one who manipulated his father to kill Historia's family . Since the time travel this manga was destined to fail
Holy shti! I never actually thought about it! (Due to me not being a die hard fan of AoT) But now it really makes sense!
Thanks for the video, I've enjoyed it.
One thing I wanna point out, "there was nothing stopping her marrying him before 139"
Historia knew Eren intended to genocide the entire outside world, I think its fair to say she just didnt feel like getting married at the time. Especially if the main motivation for it was self-preservation in the face of either her and her children being trapped in the cannabalism cycle, or the island's total annihilation.
getting married before genocide is a bad idea but after is a great idea? consistency?
eren impregnated hysteria. that's it.
No he didn't. That's it!
@@amishasaha5975 I asked the writer and he said yes. also look the eyebrows and compare. if he did it tru sex or founder power the writer didn't say. it happened when he visited her for the last time. thats it.
@@amishasaha5975 He was definitely supposed to. Because it makes more sense.
@@valentijnrozeveld3773 really? Have you asked Isayama himself? But in the whole internet it is said that Isayama stated that the child's father is the farmer. Also eyebrows? Dude me and one of my classmates have similar lip shapes but that doesn't mean his father is my father and vice versa. It might look similar in manga but anime clears the confusion. In the anime the child's hair is neither yellow blonde (historia) nor black (eren) rather it's light Auburn (orange ish)... Also the eye colour is nother blue (historia) nor green (eren) rather it's hazel... Only the farmer has these traits. This alone proves that the child is not eren's... If you are doubting the authenticity of the anime then let me tell you the anime version is the correct version not the manga as many people were not happy with the manga ending so Isayama made changes in the anime... You can recheck the last episode of AOT for more understanding of the child's details. Thank you 🙂.
@@GregSmithIII and why? Isayama himself confirmed that the child's father is actually the farmer not eren. Even the child looks almost like the farmer (light Auburn hair and hazel eyes)
I don't why but i always believe that Mappa did a great job making fans into believing that AOT is perfect but it got a lot of flaws and the fans just don't wanna believe it.
Bro cooked 🔥🔥🔥
But fr though, AOT ending is so bad it make my stomach ache everytime I see someone try to defend it. Their defense is so surface level I don't think they even understand any of the themes in the story
Holy sh, this bluw my mind ngl I feel like if Eren and Historea had a kid it would loki make the show better but at the same time it's like wtf was the point of Mikasa. Idk if I got these names right spare me
she really peaced out of the story ^^"
I don't think the contradictory writing is necessarily proof that Isayama intended for the ship to be hinted at, there was lots of contradictory writing post timeskip (especially in the final arc) that wasn't exclusive to just Historia
Don't you think that the plot trap of Eren/History is the same as in the first season it was Eren/Annie? Isayama made an ambiguous relationship between them, probably to create more intrigue and fuel interest in the manga. The romantic relationship of the main character with a hot blonde and the presence of a harem seem more attractive to some viewers. Anyway, these are just my thoughts.
Historia is a side character and she got better treatment and more screentime than a side character of her calibre deserved. There's nothing more to argue here. No one really cares about her outside of a few redditors.
shes not a side character. a side character is ymir or erwin or hange. she was integral for clash of the titans and uprising. thats not side character stuff. even if she was a side character, does not give a writer and right to disregard their characters
Dude, the gaslighting is absolutely fucking unbearable... What the fuck do you mean Historia was a side character? Since when side characters are coprotagonists like historia were in the Uprising?
It actually depends on your perception of how many times you have watched AOT... Isayama is a genius because many times you watch or read it, you find out many things... Unfortunately some people miss details or tend to forget things and jump into conclusions... I will be talking about Historia and Eren's actual relationship throughout the anime/manga.
1) Eren and Historia actually shares a sibling bond: Yes, they share the actual sibling bond. Reason? It's because of the previous to previous founder titan owner i.e Frieda Resis, Historia's older sister. It is already mentioned in the manga/anime that inheritor of the nine titans will also have the memories and emotions of the previous holders, so whenever Historia is in danger, Eren getting worked up is because of Freida's protection. A best example of this theory is both Armin and Grisha. We know that Armin wasn't romantically interested in Annie in the first three seasons (Remember, the events of first three seasons happened less than a year)... It wasn't until Armin inherted the Bertholdt's titan that he started to have feelings for Annie because Bertholdt loved her, and later Armin use to talk to her crystald body for four years! Same goes with Grisha, we know that he was never a good father to Zeke, but after inheriting Attack Titan from Kruger, he became a good person, good husband and a good father, which is a 360 degree change from his character.
2) Eren can't touch Historia: We know that Histora is of royal blood and if Eren touches her or vice versa, founder titan would activate. We have seen this during Zeke-Eren conversation when Zeke was convencing Eren with his infertility plan, where Zeke said that they can't touch each other so he passed him the ball.
3) Historia's lover: Yes, Historia has a lover in AOT, and it's nither Eren nor the farmer. It's Yimir! People always forgets that Yimir and Historia were in love with each other, so much that they want to get married to each other. In her last letter, Yimir mentioned that she is sorry that she couldn't marry historia because she is going to sacrifice herself for her and her friends safety. Yimir and Historia were already soulmates so how do you expect her to be happy with the farmer?
4) Historia wanted to help Eren: We know at first Historia was against rumbling but when Eren convenienced her, she decided to help Eren and proposed the idead of having a baby. We know that, when those Military were talking about they mentioned that someone has told her to get pregnant so that she can avoid being the beast titan. That scene was the plot twist, many people might have thought that it was Eren who told her to do that, but actually it was her her idea to do this. She only seek out the farmer's help as he was guilty of bullying her in past and is atoning his misdeeds by working in her orphanage and farm, where they might have formed a mutual friendship. Also Historia immediately went to meet the farmer right after the conversation, as you can see it from her appearance when she was talking to Eren, there were no sign of intimacy on her and it was exactly at the time of sunset.
5) Baby was born early: There is a high chance that Historia might have gone into early labour than the due time, since she is weak and frail plus with those rumbling sounds and burden of being queen. This would fit perfectly with the timeline.
So this my points regarding Eren-Historia relationship. I hope if anybody ever watches AOT again, keep these points in mind and watch and you will find all the similarity.
Thanks for typing all this out and this was respectful and well written but im just gonna tell you now that youre wrong on multiple points.
1. There was already pretext for armin and annie’s relationship in the female titan arc and Grisha never blamed zeke for snitching because he realized he was a terrible father. Those developments didnt simply happen because they ate a titan like huh???? Under the same logic btw eren has to view mikasa as his daughter/family because grisha did; even in a vacuum this point is not good.
2. Historia can touch eren because historia isnt a titan 😭😭😭😭
3. Theres tons of relationships in aot where they love each other but cant be together like grisha and dina. To say that historia loved ymir so she would be unhappy with stardew valley guy is to say that grisha is unhappy with carla. ALSO your point of “why would she be happy” would go down a character assassination rabbit hole. Why would she have a kid with someone she was unhappy with? Thats just like her mother. Her mother who never wanted her to be born,who had historia because of her own selfishness and NOT out of love.
4. The titan wine plan was a thing and the yeagerists where just waiting on eren’s command. She didnt have a baby to protect herself/help eren bc that would not only go against her character but also be unnecessary.
5. Why would any author write a pregnancy supposed due date be a “few months” just to contradict this. You can rationalize it anyway you want but the fact is, you dont write in details and contradictions just to not explain them
"Eren and Historia actually shares a sibling bond: Yes, they share the actual sibling bond."
Eren and Mikasa share sibling bond.
Isayama: "For Eren, rather than a lover, he sees Mikas as a mother figure."
Eren and Historia don't have a sibling bond. That's a stretch, a reach and a head canon. Nothing in the story implies that they have a sibling bond. The parallels that they have don't suggest anything about them being siblings.
"Historia's lover: Yes, Historia has a lover in AOT, and it's neither Eren nor the farmer. It's Ymir!"
Historia never reciprocated Ymir's feelings. You're making the same mistakes as EM shippers. Freckled Ymir was in love with Historia, yes, but not the other way around.
And, yes, it was supposed to be Eren because him being the father made sense for the story.
I disagree with this wholeheartedly.
@@GregSmithIIIHistoria reveals her name to Ymir, the first of all people, which means she trusts her more than anyone else. Historia says that she will always be on Ymir's side. Ymir is presented beautiful in the eyes of History, as a romantic portrayal of a character in the eyes of a loved one, in Utgard Castle (s2). Given the nature of the construction of all canonical pairs in AoT, I think this can be considered sufficient proof.
@user-cl7wz4hx3j Presenting someone as beautiful in someone else's eyes doesn't equate to romance. If Eren saw his mother as beautiful in his eyes, does that mean he was down bad for his mother and wanted to bang her? Or does it just show that she was influential to him. Freckled Ymir was influential to Historia, that's it. Freckled Ymir loved Historia romantically, not the other way around.
Historia revealing her name to Ymir doesn't mean anything either. You guys are reaching A LOT.
@@GregSmithIIIIsayama confirms that Mikasa is portrayed more beautifully in Eren's eyes. In the finale, their mutual feelings are confirmed. The same rule applies to Historia and Ymir, Armin and Annie.
This is not just the disclosure of a name, but the rejection of the mask of a polite and kind girl, and a demonstration of her true self.
brain dead take
seriously, cmon bro.. Youre a hypocrite bc obviously you havent even listened to the whole thing, brain dead comment with no substance
explain
@@abrahamuusamaroo7527 it’s never a plot point
@@abrahamuusamaroo7527 read the description and you’ll see this guy doesn’t like aot and just wants to look for problems that aren’t problems
historia was the second mc for 2 arcs in the pre timeskip bro. i dont wanna false dilemma fallacy you but either you think isayama literally just wrote in her being in love with a nameless faceless dude to avoid giving her any more relevance. OR you think isayama dropped her pregnancy twist because why would she lie about her due date and also not marry the guy she was "in love" with for 10 months.
lets not assume im "looking for problems that arent there" because thats deadass such a childish thing to say bra