WHAT?? A female shonen character with a detailed backstory? That's thematically and narratively important to the main plot? Who also is as emotionally complex and ambituously independent as the male lead? Naaah son that's illegal! Toss that afterTHOT in the bushes!
Can't believe my girl was sidelined for nothing, garbage writing. Whatever atleast I can count on the requiem team to actually give a damn about the characters
@@thatoneblackdude3333 for real if isayama was planning on the rumbling from the start, why wasn't aot a seinen? There's no excuse for how he handled the rumbling arc.
@@joseph-bs8yn I didn't like the direction the timeskip took post Marley and now it all makes since every plot point introduced after that went nowhere in the end I stand uncorrected that season 3 was peak attack on titan
"You are the girl who saved me that day" if eren had told this line to any other girl then it would have been considered as a confession according to the fandom
Right ? If he said this to mikasa it would be taken as s love confession without question but because it's historia people will bend over backwards to say it doesn't mean anything
Lol if it was said in the same context literally no one would consider it a confession as it was an attempt to manipulate het into playing along with his plan.
@@ievajachimaviciute2219 if you consider that manipulation you clearly weren't paying attention to that scene at all and eren manipulating historia don't even make since nor does he benifit from doing that at all
@@thatoneblackdude3333 it benefits him a lot to make her stay Quiet. Lmao. He manipulated his father the Exact same way, by saying the right thing at the right time. Only delusional shippers can make it into a "love confession". 😂
@@ievajachimaviciute2219 if that was the case he wouldn't have gone to her at all as telling her his plans doesn't do anything for him , historia has no real power she couldn't stop eren even if she wanted to . why would eren Go from carrying for her well being to manipulating her especially when he doesn't need to tell me how that makes since ? There's a huge difference to what erem did to grisha and what he did to historia, Ishyama makes it clear when erens being manipulative and when he isn't he used aggressive behavior and language he was being cold and cruel when talking to grisha he used the same tone when talking to Armin and mikasa , with historia none of that body language nor behavior was present he spoke honestly and gently when he said" your the worst girl who saved my life " that wasn't manipulation it was a confession of gratitude he was tanking her for saving his life and reminding her of her own words to snap her out of her krista personality and live for herself , funny you accuse " delusional shippers" of seeing it as romantic when these delusional shippers have been proven correct all this month about the ending and everything else .
Well. Technically. It is, and it isn't. It's free in a world without titans at least.............but then it'd have to deal with the rest of the 20%. I swear to god if we get a peace ending where Arming mong's everyone with his Umi da into holding hands and singing Kumbaya then the ending is going to be garbage.
Shippers ruined the series. I'm not even saying that because I personally hate shippers, the interview said isayama looked online at the headcanons people had for inspiration
@@thatoneblackdude3333 personally I hate all shippers. I preferred the old interview isayama gave where he said he hated romance. However, I can recognize a historia relationship would have actual plot relevancy unlike a mikasa one.
Also I think Isayama said that he doesn't like the idea of childhood friends ending up together, and Mikasa is a mother figure to Eren, so why tf did he contradict himself in the final chapter?
@@KEN-cs4pn but Isayama actually listened to some kids online? Doesn't he have the balls to properly execute the ending of his own story he worked on for so many years? And here we thought Isayama is some mad genius writer...
Eren was definitely supposed to be revealed as the father because it was supposed to set context for why Eren would loathe Zeke's sterilization plan. Isayama ruined it.
I agree that it would add another personal reason for why Eren wouldn't agree with Zeke's euthanization plan, but the context was there from the beginning. Eren fundamentally opposes the plan because he believes everyone is special because they are born in this world, whereas Zeke thinks Eldians being born into the world is a burden. Also, Zeke's plan involved the people of Paradis staying behind the walls like cattle for the rest of their lives, which is directly against Eren's idea of freedom. So without a baby even being involved, Eren disagreed with the plan and we already knew why.
@@jaedited8684 I refused to be a slave to his ending. Like Eren I will keep moving forward and refuse the dirty,filthy,crappy,shitty,ugly ending of a story and promote a better one.
I hate when people say, "the pregnancy was a red herring." Or "the fans made the pregnancy important." The red herring argument is a lot like the subverting expectations argument. Subverting expectations isn't a good plot device if not executed correctly. Same with a red herring. The fans weren't the ones who made the pregnancy a big deal. It was Isayama. Why make her pregnancy so secretive if it wasn't going to be a big deal? Isayama also puts a lot of emphasis on parents not passing down burdens on their children or leading them out of the woods. If the child was Eren's and he completed the Rumbling, he would have surpassed his father by not allowing his child to be born into a cruel world where they would have to fight to exist. It's beyond obvious the father was meant to be Eren.
The pregnancy being a red harring doesn't even make since as that's not how red hearings work the answer is supposed to be a surprise and something people don't see coming having the father be the farmer anyway dispute multiple pieces of evidence saying otherwise is just bad writing the pregnancy plot line was a mistake and Ishyama should not have bothered especially when it came at the expense of a major character like historia
@@mboseman2895 all Ishyama had to do was give the farmer a face and a name and there would be no question if it was always supposed to be him he made an entire character who's sole existence is to simp for Sasha but he can't do that for his supposed favorite female character?
@@thatoneblackdude3333 yea seriously Sasha's romance and family drama was handled so well even after she died. So the "she's just a side character" doesn't slide.
@@mboseman2895 it's a bullshit argument when most " side characters " in this series were more important then the main 3 multiple times and changed the entire story and narrative notice how they don't try to dismiss reniers importance dispute him being a " side character" Its only historia
Me too. All of those wonderful scenes turn out to be meaningless garbage. But even so, If the leaks for the latest chapter are true, then we can at least all laugh at the ending together 🤣🤣
Just saw a video of someone trying to explain why Historia's character wasn't ruined in Chapter 139. God, the amount of mental gymnastics. Historia basically became exactly like her parents; using her child as a means to an end.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 I know and I try to explain exactly how it destroys her character but all I get in response is; "shipper!" and "well at least she loves her kid." Like even if she loves her kid the damage is still done. Historia didn't have her for the sake of loving her. She had her to save herself and use as a tool.
I seriously don't get why this pairing in general is so obnoxiously hated. I'm not a shipper nor do I usually just pair people up in stories because they're "cute" together. What I'm interested in is the plot and what some relationships could contribute to it. Isayama made such a mystery of this pregnancy and both characters post timeskip that I was really interested in the possibility of exploring Eren's motivations had he had a child. He set up a Chekhov's gun and left it hanging. After 139 not only shooting Eren's character in the foot by having him be a slave to fate to the bitter end and reveal that his actions of personal freedom were nothing but an act, completely disregarding characters like Historia, Reiner, having Armin be mad that Eren hurt Mikasa's feelings instead of the fact that he was gonna kill 80% of the world, the whole Ymir plot point that connects to Mikasa which is just about as sudden and out of left field as Arya killing the Night King. It's just one massive disappointment all around. Either Isayama just wanted to be done with Attack on Titan or he just changed the ending months before it's conclusion. What a shame.
I don't get it ether historia is literally the only other character eren has a deep relationship with other then Armin and is healthy and compliments eachother the people who hate it are rabbid eremika fans who are obsessed with the ship and yimihesu fans who are obsessed with historia being gay even tho it was largely ymir being gay for historia and she's fucking dead
This made me feel a little better knowing I'm not the only one who likes EH not because it's cute but because it has development and depth and has something to do with the story progressing, rather than the forced one in the end. And some even had the audacity to say EH shippers are delusional. Says their Stan who had a wet dream fantasy of her step-brother and it becomes true! Not hate to the former Mikasa, but for 138-139 one.
Why is EH and in general Historia hated so much? The reason is very simple. It's because Historia is the only other potential candidate Eren could end up with after Mikasa. And of course that's a very dangerous red flag to the EM stans because their own ship is in danger because of this one female character named Historia. They care about their ships more than the actual story. They are casual bandwagon "fans" who started watching the series because of some fan favourite poster characters like Mikasa and Levi. Bunch of kids who should have never set their foot in the AoT world and story because they don't even deserve to be a part of the fandom in the first place. Sorry if I sounded rude, but yeah.
@@rickchakraborty2087 you're right. A lot Eremika fans thought there was a solid chance the child could be Eren's which intensified their hatred of Erehisu and Historia. I am also sick of anti-Erehisu who aren't shipper telling us that we got blind-sided by shipping goggles when even the Japanese Fandom was split on whether Eren was actually the child's real father vs the pregnancy being fake. This just goes to prove that there was plenty in the narrative that showed that isayama meant for the audience to have doubts about what MP told them regarding the circumstances of Historia's pregnancy. This isn't some crack ship that we came up with because "oh they would be so cute to gether".
Couple things to add as well. During their secret convo he tells her “OUR only options are to fight or run.” Eren straight up told her he’s willing to overthrow the government OR he is willing to flee this place entirely with her. If this dude loved Mikasa the entire time, why is he willing to spend up the rest of his time left with Historia somewhere the two can’t be found? Historia and Eren’s whole scene in the government building where she cries because of how he stood up for her is a call back to Grisha and his first wife Dina. After saying something that motivates her and brings her to tears, the two marry.
Not only with the Dina Grisha parallel, but Carla Grisha too. It was a consistent theme in AOT where people fall in love when they were saved/protected during their lowest point. Its why Mikasa is obsessed with Eren too because he saved her. Historia and Eren both saved/protected each other during their lowest point, it make perfect sense that they both love each other. But now both barely give a shit about each other in the ending? Wtf man these retcon is so fking shit. Isayama just decided to contradict all the things he established just so he can make more money with the popular ship.
@Mikasa Ackerman im not sure if you are trolling or not, but just in case you arent. allow me to help out your illiterate 12 y/o brain with these shitty arguments you just gave. somehow you got most of them wrong, idk how you continue to misinterpret scenes even kids could understand. eren defends mikasa in court after the MP threatens to dissect eren and mikasa, look at how much hes in love with her!!!!
Im not asking for them to be together, i just wanted a good story and a coherent ending. It just so happens that Eren and Historia being together made sense and ties the story really well compared to another ship. Eren and Historia understood each other and have shown their vulnerable side to each other. They saved each other and I dont understand why people cant wrap their heads around the idea that maybe Eren loved Historia for saving him not physically but emotionally and mentally.
I wanted them to endup together because it add something to their characters and to the stroy but what does ermika even add ? Mikasa finally getting her trophy husband? Like her and her scarf literally don't affect the main plot at all
Yeah. Eren and Historia might have been.....well.....the only ship that actually made sense for the plot, and moved the plot forward. It's just so different from the other ships.
The potential of Eren-Historia are way bigger than we think. Imagine this tagline if the finale went for Akatsuki No Requiem type ending/theme: 2000 years ago, a royal child born from the Horned Devil (Fritz) and the Girl (Ymir) has started the age of Titans and suffering. 2000 years later, a royal child born from the Hooded Devil (Eren) and the Girl (Historia) is free from the age of Titans and suffering. 🤯 The potential of Eren-Mikasa is basically a bootleg/discounted version Jack-Rose ship in Titanic. 😔
There is no potential for EM in my opinion. It just ruins Eren's character, and it makes Mikasa a slave. It's not good for any of there characters at all and it does absolutely nothing for the plot......... Edit: Actually.........nah wait......maybe EM wouldn't be so bad. It just has poor execution.
Isayama hinted at Erehisu so much it was fucking insane it really didn't make any sense why he went so hard with their relationship going so in depth just to do what he did. There were so many ppl who started off shipping Eren and Mikasa but after seeing the undeniable and effortless chemistry between Eren and Historia a lot of ppl changed their minds just based simple on what we were being shown. It still doesn't make any damn sense why Historia was talking to Eren about if she should have a baby or not. That goes beyond a red herring or whatever excuse some ppl are coming up with to make it seem like ppl thinking Historias baby was Erens baby made it up in their own heads. You don't just discuss rather you should have a child or not with some male friend who you don't want to be the father?? Its like this man doesn't understand how human relationships work! Then why were they having so many behind the scene private conversations?? It doesn't add up at all not even a little! I honestly have no problem with Eremika being end game but make it make sense please! Build up to it please, give mikasa proper character development please! Make eren actually show some romantic affection some warmth at some point through out the series please! I just watched the whole mikasa kissing eren head. Eren crying about how he loved mikasa blank face. Not because I hate the ship because I don't but because there was nothing building up to it getting me emotionally invested. Like maybe if Eren showed romantic interest in her over the years we've been reading I could care about it.
Isayama hinted into erehisu so much. Lmao have we read the same manga? Isayama hinted into EREMIKA from the start. The scarf is the red string of destiny. Historia will always love Ymir. Her and Eren never got a romantic interactions that was made by shippers's eye
I can't believe that the fandom from now on will keep talking for years about why aot ending sucked and how to fix it just like what happened with naruto, i really didn't want this to happen to aot
@@thatoneblackdude3333 yea at least Sasuke didn't say, "who cares about the Uchiha clan!" "I can't remember why I wanted to destroy the Hidden Leaf." "What if Sakura finds another man?!" Or "I had Itachi kill the Uchiha clan."
"But... But Historia is just a side character! Mikasa is a main character and was the first character Isayama made! Eremika was always supposed to be canon! Even the voice actors themself ship them so much, plus Mikasa VA even sung a song dedicated to Eren!"
Ye I think the amine would make eremika canon but the manga had more potential and plot relevance if erehisu is canon like why keep the pregnancy plot so mysterious and Leave the father questionable it makes no sense I think as the video stated that Eren was sussposed to be the father of historians baby but it was scrapped due to I believe influence from the fandom
@@rickchakraborty2087 the actors shipping it has zero relevancy, they might even just be pretending in front of the fans, it's called fanservice. This video explained why Historia and Eren had a lot more to give to the story than Eremika ever could. I don't ship either that much, and if EreHisu had been handled as badly as EreMika was, I'd react the same way, but when I tell you how empty and nonplussed I felt when reading the (suddenly romance-centric out of nowhere) last chapters... It felt dumb, and out of character, and didn't fit the tone of the manga at all. AoT has never been about romance, it's been about friendships, freedom, escaping an inescapable fate others chose for you. Then suddenly, the entire plot was about Ymir needing some visual example of how to let go of a crush? Please.
@@angelic252 that's what I'm saying. People give stupid arguments to like Eremika, no matter how one-sided it felt throughout the series. And we care about what's happening inside the story, not what some people OUTSIDE the story has to say. Who cares if some VAs and director and editor etc. ship them, their romance isn't handled well at all in the story. Atleast Erehisu was a lot better and their relationship felt more healthy and natural (not to mention Erehisu made a lot of sense for the plot), but now tell that to the delusional EMtards and see the insults they start giving you.
How I know Eren was the father... isayama could just gave historia a scene confirming the farmer is the father lol. instead, he kept the pregnancy plot mysterious, only for him to retcon it. Its obvious eren was the father, anyone that denies it doesn't understand writing.
The farmer being the father was supposed to be a red herring because they wanted to fool the military. If the farmer was really the father, why did Isayama even made the pregnancy such a big deal? And they say it's us the fans who made it a big deal, even though it was presented to us in such a way that it WAS supposed to be a big deal right? If one of our main characters is found to be pregnant, who would not think of it as a big deal? And now you are telling me that the pregnancy itself was a red herring, for what to fool the audience? Sorry but that's really awful writing.
Thank you. Like for real. Just give the farmer a name and face and we wouldn't have questioned if he was the father. Just give Historia and him a convo about them having a child and boom. Nobody will think there is some secret father.
@@IgboKing exactly! what kind of story writing is that. Let's just have 3rd party confirmed the identity of the father and never have historia and farmer discuss or have any freaking conversation together. Farmer was literally just a prop on the set and we are supposed to believe that Historia fell in love with this unknown character and had a kid with him despite her never uttering a word to him lol
The goat is back 🐐, I think AOT should’ve never used romance as a prominent story aspect in the first place but EH made so much sense plot and theme wise so i was fine with it . EM has no proper development so it feels rushed af the only logical ship was EH , EM stans will never listen to deductive reasoning tho😑. As you said either yams retconned the story or he’s a god awful writer lol
@@cosapocha Yes romance is important but in the context of AOT romance shouldn’t be the focal point of the story in which Explored War,Racism,Freedom, political power struggles,cycle of hatred, and difficult sacrifices etc.To Put It Simply the Romance we got in 138 and 139 between Eren/Mikasa could’ve worked if it was properly developed and fleshed out like the other story aspects I named
@Someone :/ he was consistently good for 123 chapters, that's likes several years.... Wtf u on about, Isayama is agreat writer, if only he didn't listen to his editors and trusted his own vision which would have ended the story at around 123, why did he need to go online? And look at what tge fans wanted? Thats not what u do.... we know its a fact that he already kept a Character alive bcoz of one of his editors! That's pathetic.
I’m at the point where I believe Isayama purposely made a "shit ending" because he wants to do an anime original ending so nobody could get spoiled and to subvert readers expectations.
Historia and Eren were a perfect couple. Throughout the whole story in the manga, they have a lot of beautiful moments. In the whole manga Eren ignores Mikasa's feeling and pays no attention to it. The last chapter was nonsense and garbage because he turned to love Mikasa out of nowhere! Unlike the development between Eren and Historia.
The thing is, even if Eren had romantic feelings for Mikasa throughout the story, them being a couple would still be fundamentally bad for two big reasons. 1. Mikasa is Eren's adopted sister. I know some people who like this ship would try to use the fact that they're not BIOLOGICALLY related as a defense but that doesn't really make much difference. When Grisha is pleading with Frieda Reiss to stop the titans attacking Wall Maria, he refers to Mikasa as his daughter (in some translations, he says "my children" but it's obvious he's talking about Mikasa as well as Eren). Also, Isayama himself stated that Eren sees Mikasa as more of a mother/sister figure. For all intents and purposes, Eren and Mikasa are siblings (biological or not) and the idea of them being romantically involved with each other at all is just gross. 2. They lack any sort of chemistry to justify a romantic relationship. Aside from the fact that they grew up in the same general area, are both orphans, and have the same occupation, Eren doesn't really have all that much in common with Mikasa. They don't really have any shared goals, struggles, philosophies, or interests. Not to mention their dynamic is actually pretty dysfunctional throughout the story. For most of the story, Eren is either ignoring Mikasa or straight up treating her like garbage while Mikasa is obsessing over him to an unhealthy degree (and the fact that she clearly has romantic feelings towards him makes this obsession all the more uncomfortable). So yeah, their dynamic doesn't exactly scream "romance". That being said, I do think Eren and Mikasa work perfectly fine as a strictly platonic brother/sister relationship. In terms of romance, however, I agree wholeheartedly that Eren and Historia are much better suited for each other.
I was used to see romances with bad development in shonen so when I started SNK I was not really expecting something. When I saw Eren and Historia, however, I was amazed by how perfect their writing was: it coincided perfectly with their characters but also with the themes of the story. Historia and Eren both found a way of life in books: Eren discovered the outside world/freedom, which made him angry to be trapped inside the walls, something he didn’t even realized before. Historia discovered good parenting in books too, and started to think about her own treatment and life. She later found the purpose of being « Krista » to finally let it go and become what she really was. In the manga, their kitchen discussion happens in a room where they are alone and is much longer (they seem to talk all night). It’s a very intimate and cute moment. Eren acted awkwardly around her, and he is the first person to accept Historia as herself and to like her more than Krista. Like you perfectly said it, their situations reverse, and Historia is now the one able to save Eren like she’s been saved by Ymir. She saves him mentally and in 130 Eren uses the same kanji that Niccolo used for Sasha. The moment Historia chooses Eren over the world and gives him a god power, determines the demon he will become « Eat me and save the world ». Historia and Eren later have deep discussions: they are both able to understand each other. They have the same ideals of freedom, and Eren admires Historia for that because she is the picturing of freedom (she cut her ties with her past/her father, made the children go out of the underground city, a sort of « forest »). But season 4, with Eren being overprotective towards Historia, with him repeating to Ymir Historia’s words to free her while looking desperate about sterilization (all of this when Historia is pregnant) gives so much evidence. Hanji insisted on Historia: « don’t you care about Historia ? ». Since season 3 she noticed something and knew it was Eren’s weak point: she mentioned Historia, not Mikasa, that Eren literally forced to go to Revelio and put in danger. He is triggered by Historia’s mention and asks if there was another option: we clearly see that Historia being sacrificed was one of the things that convinced him he had no other option than the rumbling, yet in 139, Historia totally disappears from Eren’s mind. Hanji said she was CONVINCED he would not sacrifice Historia, not his friends: Historia. Eren also says to Falco the letter didn’t reach his family but his friends. He considers his family to be other people... He also knows that the person Falco doesn’t want to be turned into a titan is a girl, it’s a very strong parallel with his own behavior with Historia. For me his sentence in 130 sound like a damn love confession: Eren admires the « worst » side of Historia since it’s nothing else than the one who saved him, the freest one. If we wanna talk about incoherences now: Historia’s pregnancy was not a redflag: first, she was shown alone in paths, it would not have been complicated to put her lovely farmer besides her, but Historia is relaxed, her hands in the pockets, knowing exactly what’s happening. She gives birth too soon as if she lied on the conception date. She is not married to the farmer like the MPs say (but in 139 she suddenly is) Her conversation with Eren makes no sense now: - Eren didn’t want Historia to bread like livestock, without love, yet that’s exactly what she did and there is no way he would have accepted this. - Eren didn’t talk about the wine plan to Historia even tho it didn’t need her pregnancy. - Eren had no reason to tell his fake plan to Historia: he gained nothing from her, so it can’t be manipulated, but it’s not to make a confession and share his burden with someone too since he lied - Historia asked about Eren to bear a child which makes absolutely no sense: if the pregnancy wasn’t revelant why letting 130 end without answer on another mystery ? The panel where she asks this is disconnected from their conversation we don’t understand what happened between the two flashbacks. Some shards of Historia crying are not here too. Anyway, EH made total sense and was planned to be canon. I am sorry if my comment was long but so much things are illogic and there is so much wasted potential that it hurts.
@@rickchakraborty2087 yes there was a major discussion in the manga but I think eren and historia would have made more sense in the manga but I knew the ending would have come to this as I noticed that animation studios and the anime adaptation literally cut down major eren and historia convos and made it seem normal, if they further do this for the final season and it ended like this I would not be surprised that many are satisfied how it ends.
@@ok-ri4yk well it isn't surprising, WIT was a huge EM fanboy along with the director and editor, but that doesn't mean they should just cut dialogues and ruin the chemistry between some characters, it's disrespectful. Anyways what chapter was that conversation which got cut in the anime?
@@rickchakraborty2087 I can’t remember the chapter but it’s at the beginning of the uprising arc just before Historia and Erne get kidnapped by Rhodes Reiss
I defenetly think Erenmika was not originally planned by Isayama because after the chapter 113 I decided to eatch AOT season 1 a second time and it was made more then clear that Eren has hate against Mikasa in season 1 and 2. This sentense he said I always hated you Mikasa made that clear
They had actual chemistry together (something Eren and Mikasa never had, that was one-sided). Eren and Historia ending together would actually make sense (from the art you can tell Historia doesn't like the farmer guy or at least, she's not happy with him that's for sure). Historia's baby being actually Eren's would also make sense. Eren staying alive in the paths, living a new life, rising a resurrected baby Ymir and telling her she's finally "free" would also make sense.. But no, "let's make Eren die a virgin and make him admit he loves someone he never liked" "Let's make Historia fuck with an unknown dude, looking sad as fuck, but happy in the epilogue" "Let's make Ymir a slave for 2000 years cause she loves the man that enslaved her and used her as a breeding tool" "The Armin and Annie shipping moments?... mmm, let's do nothing about that" *genius* :v
ngl i was in utter shock at the armin and annie barrel drop, i never expected them to shove bert's feelings so far up armin's spine when homeboy ate him to the point where they took over his brain. admittedly, they were kinda cute towards the end, and i ended up aw'ing here and there, but where'd that come from? bruh
damn I hate Armin Annie nonsense even more than Eren's childish breakdown about Mikasa in chap139. I mean Annie butchered an entire platoon and was enjoying it. She was also remorseless for most part, then suddenly she's the love interest for Erwin incarnate
I don't think historia was happy with the farmer, but she was happy with her baby. That's in the end she is holding her baby and smiling a bit sad, but most importantly, she left behind that shitty farmer that she really don't love.
If my options are either retcon or shit writing I'm definitely going with retcon. The chemistry is just too THERE for it to have been nothing. Maybe Yams purposely set it up so the story could have ended with either EM or EH, but EM (and Mikasa in general) is just so poorly written with such little development that it's hard to believe it was ever an option. Literally everyone thought Mikasa's goal as a character was to grow apart from Eren, that's how badly written their romance is 💀
@Someone :/ I didn't say "shit writer," but "shit writing." The main issue is that EH stuff isn't just random. It's clearly done purposely and made to look a certain way. The baby question is literally in betweens Zeke talking about love with Eren. I also agree that romance was never Isayama's strong suit when it came to writing, but if EM was always supposed to be endgame and EH was nothing this is beyond shit writing. It was either bait or a retcon. Yams isn't the greatest writer ever, but you have to be a dummy to accidentally write this relationship. I'm not saying it's an excuse and it's okay. Retcons last minute make the story seem inconsistent and we end up with shit like EM. Just trying to find some reasoning behind how we ended up like this. If he does write more manga I hope he learns from this as well.
@Someone :/ yeah I didn't think you were disagreeing just clarifying my position and agreeing with what you're saying. I've never personally slandered Isayama for those reasons.
Unfortunately the man can't speak English and was listening to Japanese fans who really love Mikasa for being an underdeveloped subservient Eren simp. So for some reason he thought that's what majority of fans wanted completely forgetting attack on titan was a global series and above all else to follow your own damn writing. Its so clear he was building up to Erehisu being Cannon just from how underdeveloped, stagnant and one sided Eren and Mikasa relationship was all the way through. Some EM shippers are acting like just cause Eren stopped treating mikasa like garbage and respected her physical strength means he loved her stop the fucking cap! That is not what romantic love looks like.
@@jadibdraws why did Isayama even try to listen to the fans instead of sticking to his own writing and ending, the man's series has been so successful for such a long time. What even happened to him all of a sudden? Fell to marketing corruption?
Chapter 134: "Eren... What part of you is free?" - Armin. At the begining of chapter, Historia is giving birth. And the chapter ends, with Armin doing that question to Eren. Implying the child is Eren's son. And the child is the part of him that will be free. Eren was fighting to give his son the freedom he never had. Too bad Yams throw all this beautiful parallels in the dust.
@@DouglasR1B Eren was the same guy who told Zeke he couldn't reciprocate Mikasa's feelings because he only had 4 years left to live, he said that but would have a child with someone? 🤷♂️. Historia: Eren, I suddenly fell in love with you, what a hero to Paradis. What do you think of us having a baby? Our child can become a motivation to push you closer to your goal. Annihilate everyone outside the walls. This is what you believed happened in their conversation? Bro 😂
Now that I think about it, It's really funny you know? look how Mikasa saved Eren's life millions of times, but anyway he sees Historia as "the girl who saved him"... I mean, I don't even shipp EH but...
Mikasa may have saved him physically but historia saved him mentally which holds more weight anyone could have saved erens life the way mikasa did but not many people could do what she did for him in the cave which is proven later when all the scouts come to his rescue who's words encouraged him the most ? Levi and historia 2 people who helped shape who eren is as a person
@@thatoneblackdude3333 exactly. Also the farmer being the father was supposed to be a red herring because they wanted to fool the military. If the farmer was really the father, why did Isayama even made the pregnancy such a big deal? And they say it's us the fans who made it a big deal, even though it was presented to us in such a way that it WAS supposed to be a big deal right? If one of our main characters is found to be pregnant, who would not think of it as a big deal? And now you are telling me that the pregnancy itself was a red herring, for what to fool the audience? Sorry but that's really awful writing.
@@P1eceTheo Oh no, Mikasa didn't taught him how to love, she taught him how to obsess over a person (that's what Eren shows in that pathetic panel). That's not love buddy, much less healthy
100% agree!!!! And people forget that when Eren went to tell historia about the rumbling he first said to her we either run or fight. Eren was literally willing to run with Historia if that’s what she decided or fight everyone including the scouts because they were on board with Historia eating Zeke. They are canon!!
Lmfao, Zeke had to be saved for Eren to activate the Rumbling... Eren told Mikasa he would run away with her to spend his remaining 4 years with her had she picked a different answer. Cope fans cope.
@@angelic252 You said the same thing every other EreHisu fan said. All of them said exactly what you said on a non shipping video, only to show their true colours when they are in a shipping video like this 😂. We'll see if you are actually honest about what you said.
poor isayama probably was just too afraid to make them canon cuz of those obsessed eremika fans after making mikasa chasing after eren for all that 4 seasons. eremika literally feels like an U turn lmao..
@@UmQasaann There's no need to insult him tho!!! Am as pissed as u and many other fans about the ending but that doesn't mean we have to disrespect him!!! At least he admitted that he made a terrible mistake!!!
@Goldmetal Alchesmith it was said that Eren tried experimenting on touching Historia's hand and nothing happened, the memories don't always come when he touches her
Historia: “I don’t care if humanity gets wiped out by titans, I don’t care if they make me an enemy of the world” she literally has the same philosophy at heart as eren. She would sacrifice the whole world to see the people she cares about live on and be happy. Not to mention she’s the only one of our main group that eren told his plan to and gives her an option to have her memories of it wiped or not. He doesn’t give anyone else that choice but her
Tbh I'm not a shiper, but after the last chapter, Historia and the baby became completely irrelevant to the story. Even in s3 manga, Eren had more moments and screentime with Historia instead of Mikasa.
Isayama destroy everyone Eremika=Destroy Mikasa and jean=Destroy Erehisu=Destroy Connie and Sasha=Destroy Levi and hanji:Destroy Isayama destroy everything bruh 😂😂😂
Definitely would've been better than what we got with EreMika. Also, it would've elevated the arcs of both characters. It would've added a new personal layer to Eren's motivation for carrying out the Rumbling (protecting his child and giving them a chance to grow up in a world free of the cycle of hatred) and it would've allowed Historia to become the mother she never had (having a child solely because she wants to and choosing to have it with someone she loves as opposed to doing it with her childhood bully for no reason). It also would've nicely capped off multiple themes present throughout the story (surpassing the sins of the father and getting the children out of the forest). Instead, however, we got Eren crying over the thought of his adopted sister ending up with another man and Historia being both sidelined and character assassinated at the same time.
"Children being the future" "Being born into the world" "Surpassing the father" The fact that Eren + Historia represent these ideas and they perfectly parallel for each other.
Then Eren went on to kill her whole family, pretty sure Historia approved of killing innocent children and stepmother when only the father was corrupted 🙌.
@@Valhir25 Eren's character barely makes sense anyway, he already said he didn't know what he was doing because the power of the Founding Titan messed up his thoughts(all timelines happened at the same time in the paths). And yeah, "shippers" ruined the series, not just a group of shippers by the way, shippers in general.
Eren’s reaction to zeke ordering ymir to go on with his plan at the end of ch 121, him being terrified to the point of ripping his thumbs off the cuffs to stop her from (euthanizing) eldian children + in ch 134 the first page is historia giving birth in the middle of the rumbling then ending the same chapter with armin asking: “I’ll ask you one last time... what PART OF YOU is free?” these were leading to something else, something actually makes sense narratively, something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ending we got. and i’ll die on this hill.
@@rawanswan521 still can’t believe he admitted looking online for fans’ theories like :/// you’ve been writing this story perfectly fine for the past 10 years i’m sure you had some logical ending that tie the story together and answer the questions well, but nope plot holes everywhere. and this is not for the sake of a ship becoming canon or not. I just can’t understand what’s all that build-ups for?
@@ra-vi2md i know. He was writing just fine I don’t know what’s gotten into his head. I still believe he was forced to change the ending. Maybe the japanese audience can’t handle dark endings like the western audience. I wanted to rewatch the show before 139 to grasp all the epicness and to tie all the loose ends but now rewatching feels painful for me. Everything was destroyed 🤦🏻♀️
@@rawanswan521 yeah i’m sure the audience and the editor had a large impact on his way of handling it. I wish it was a seinen manga, it really felt like one for the good majority of it ngl. I actually did reread the manga in march cuz i’ve already felt disappointed with the final arc even before the last chapters and my god the inconsistency of it was crystal clear. but still it got me excited for part 2 to watch ch 121-130-131 animated these are peak fr. it’s a shame i can’t enjoy them the same way i did anymore :(
@@ra-vi2md I totally agree. Chapter 134 is great too especially if you watch the version by DrakoXD. It brought shivers down my spine watching it. AOT is not just an anime/manga to me. I loved it so much, I recommend it to everyone especially those who don’t watch anime. Whenever I see their investment and excitement in it, I’d feel proud like I was the author. I really wanted this to be a masterpiece and it definitely was going down this road but.. i don’t know what to say anymore. The disappointment is unreal. I’ll never hype an unfinished work again ever
I've always wished that the manga was finished wayyyyy before the series blew up. AoT is like Icarus. The series flies too close to the sun. At the end, the pressure to satisfy the biggest fandom is way too much and both Isayama and Kodansha are sell out.
@@Sen5325 ikr but instead what we got was just another typical shonen anime with nothing special about its ending, even the people who somehow "like" the ending, I bet you, they will stop talking about AoT after some time and move on to another series, because the ending is so meh.
@@Sen5325 Agree! It's still hard to believe the influence of 14 yo fanboys might dictated AoT. Berserk for me is definitely the GOAT. Now, I am really worried about Vinland Saga.
Here are some Erehisu parallels, similarities, and things making them opposite: 1) last Carla's words to Eren: "live on!" - last Alma's words to Historia: "if only you have never been born" 2) Eren: kidnapped in season 1 by Annie - Historia: kidnapped in ova by criminals (Eren is the only one who wants to save her) 3) Eren: kidnapped by Reiner in season 2 - Historia: kidnapped by Ymir in season 2 4) Eren's words touch Zeke - Historia's words touch Frieda 5) Grisha talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect Eldia, Dina tears up - Eren talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect the island's children, then historia tears up too (a Yaeger and a Ymir Fritz's descendant) 6) Zeke touches Eren's forehead to show some memories - Frieda touches Historia's forehead to erase her memories 7) both are kidnapped by Rod in season 3 8) their fathers are killed with their own hands 9) Eren claims that he has the right to be born into this world - Historia thinks she doesn't deserve to live 10) their fathers want them to turn into titans 11) Falco tells Eren he doesn't want the girl he likes to become a shifter - Eren tells Historia he doesn't want her to become a shifter 12) mothers are killed in front of Eren's and Historia's eyes 13) he is a demon - she is the worst girl 14) Eren and Historia switch places when he wants to be eaten and she wants to live her life 15) both mention destroying the whole world (Eren during the fight with Annie, Historia in the cave) 16) both formed their worldview / goals / personalities from books 17) both have those who want to protect them and love them (Mikasa and Ymir) 18) they were named after another person (Eren: Kruger - Krista: a girl from a book) 19) he has the power of the founding titan - she has royal blood (together they are a clue to saving the island) 20) both have an elder half-brother and a half-sister (on the father's side) loving them and caring about them in their own way 21) the name Crista is a symbol of Historia's desire to be accepted by others and gain their admiration - Eren calls himself Kruger to be accepted by enemies and gain their trust 22) both wake up and say they saw a dream but don't remember what it was about And the cherry on the top: 23) Historia hit Levi who hit Eren🤭 Also, the endings with erehisu where he's imprisoned in the cage and she's drowning have so many similarities. There's a video in TH-cam comparing these 2 songs + it's too strange AOT prequel had the main couple of a simple brown-haired boy and a girl-aristocrat with blond hair
I’m a Eremika shipper and that’s only because of the fanart . That being said, I can sit here and say Erehisu was a better option narratively wise and I don’t mind it. The chemistry and build up was there. They paralleled each other in a way Mikasa could never. And correct me if I’m wrong, but at one point Eren was willing to sacrifice his friends for Historia & Paradise, that should’ve told us all that we needed to know about Erehisu. Eremika would’ve worked if their rxship had been building up, since the 1st arc. But because it wasn’t, it just really played out as unrequited love. And the thing is, there were opportunities where Eremika rxship could have had more, but Isayama didn’t do it. Instead those opportunities were wasted w/ Mikasa doing the most for Eren. I mean...sis couldn’t even get a thank you from this man. Like c’mon. But you’re right Erehisu should’ve been endgame.
Eren was willing to sacrifice Paradis and his friends for Historia? This is such a reach my bro 🤣. I thought EreHisu fans don't like simps, you sure made him sound like one with your statement. You don't think Historia would be summoned into the battlefield if she was still a soldier? And also Eren murdered Historia's entire family, let that sink in for a jiffy. You sure Historia approves of killing innocent children and her stepmother?
@@michaeldesanta7746 LOL what? I said he was willing sacrifice his friends for Historia AND Paradise. Not JUST Historia, c’mon now. And no she wouldn’t approve of Eren wiping out the world, she did have a conversation w/ him regarding that she didn’t think it was right. That being said I’m not a Erehisu shipper, I did say Erehisu NARRATIVELY wise was endgame. But I rather much preferred Eremika tbh.
@@teetheminx5096 We all know that isn't true, Eren was clearly doing it for Paradise and "all his friends". You all really romanticized chapter 130 too much, thinking they were talking about "love". And nope, if Eren really was the father of Historia's baby, he wouldn't say to Zeke that the reason he rejected Mikasa was because "he only had 4 years left to live". If Eren said that time was the problem he couldn't engage in a relationship, why would you think Eren would agree to start a family with someone? Ngl, you all make Eren sound like a stereotypical black father.
@@michaeldesanta7746 Nowhere did I specifically mention Historia child in my initial comment? And I mentioned Historia because she is the current head of Paradise, that’s why I included her. However, I see what you’re saying. No need to exert your point as I’ve said already, I would’ve preferred Eremika anyways. But that last sentence tho, yikes that was a reach.
@@teetheminx5096 A reference to Eren's short lifespan. Eren already said time was his problem, so he said "you can go eat yourself Mikasa". But people still believe Eren would start a family with Historia? It just doesn't add up. People legit want Historia's baby to grow up without a father 😂, not a reach, just describing some people's imagination.
dammit man, watching those few clips back reminds me of how good this show was, and how depressing it is that it had to end this way.. seriously disappointing
EreMika shippers will always think that we came up with such idea because our ship wasn't canon. Not understanding that this is not about shipping coming true or not, AOT isn't a romance anime. The reason why so many theories revolve around Eren and Historis is not because of some shipping romance plot. Rather, it is because the "Eren being Historia's baby father" plot was Isayama's originally intended ending. So many things about them was setup which is why there are so many thing to talk about and with chapter 139 as it is now, so many thing didn't make sense. And of course it wouldn't make sense, the ending was changed last minute, even Isayama admitted he change it last-minute. Isayama only change it at the end because too many people already knew what he was going to do and he wanted to satisfy the EreMika shippers since many people in the fandom shipped those two.
Im actually like EreMika back in 2015 when im being a normal weeb that actually like the kind of character who have no fucking personality and just love you. I've matured up and drop that shit.
They were cannon but just the way they were retconned like historia being parralled to Ymir .the goals and themes too. Surpassing his he sons of your father Keeping thr children out of the forest . Freedom . Not burdening children ..and mikisa shitty character was meant too move on from eren completely and live a life for herself but ofc that was retconned
No offense but Mikasa is such an overrated character. She is one of the most one dimensional characters I've ever seen, but Mikasa simps like her just because she is cute and most importantly, a badass female fighter. And yeah that's all about it. She is too unhealthily obsessed with Eren and doesn't have characterisation of her own. But people only care about bad-ass characters who can give them good action scenes.
@@rickchakraborty2087 I really agree with you. I just wish her development didn't get thrown out this arc. I thought she learned something from Louise but nope........she stayed exactly the same........
@@hiroshiramasendjews9539 omg don't get me started on Louise. So much wasted potential with that subplot. And honestly, this was my first major red flag that Isayama might drop the ball on certain things...
6:49 Holy shit, looking back at this line here from Historia, we see that not only does Historia support Eren's idea of The Rumbling (foreshadowing), she literally calls herself "the worst girl" whoever lived/in the world, which is what Eren calls her again (quoting what she said to him) during that talk they have together on the farm during the timeskip. Further evidence connecting these two and proving that they were meant to end up together.
Yeah. She literally said “who cares about humanity, let the Titans eat them” or something along those lines in the manga. Foreshadowing that was never put to use… Isayama what a man you are
People didn't understand that Historia were the one who where supposed to be sacrifice for the sake of Eldia but Eren avoided that at all cost, so he decided to sacrifice himself for her instead, that in my eyes is canon.
isayama said eren, historia and armin were necessary to the plot yet eren is barely seen in the final arc and dies a pathetic death achieving nothing, historia's pregnancy plot dropped without any explanation, and armin is totally useless after the timeskip and only wants to talk about relationships
I really hate how he killed of Hange for nothing. She literally died JUST so Armin could be commander. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN JEAN NOT HIM!!! HORSEFACE WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT COMMANDER!!!! Sorry......lm just still really salty about that.
@@leonardomatos6381 "see you later eren" is even older, yet he didn't forget about it. your argument is shit because up until the final chapter isayama never contradicted himself and always delivered on his words and foreshadowings. he never left things unfinished like he did with the ending. something must have happened bts that made isayama change his ending and rush to finish the story.
Yall forgotten that the only reason he gave Historia a role was because he was bored while drawing her. Historia was originally a moe character before becoming a plot device thanks to of her royal blood... "Armin Eren and Historia were necessary for the plot" Okay. But you're just forgetting that Mikasa was the plot and the centerpiece of the story 😂
@@britany002 oh great. A Mikasa fan bringing up the bullshit that is chapter 139 and not thinking about the fact that Mikasa bring the main character wasn't foreshadowed at all and is bad writing....EM shipper to l take it?
They have literally made historia disappear from the attack on titan, as if she wasn't important in the story. If you look at any artwork that is released by hajime isayama nowadays, there is not even a single artwork that contains historia. All other important characters are there but historia, NO. As if they are telling us that historia was not in the story or she wasn't important in the story. She was fucking queen of paradise man!!
it was also revealed that eren started to act strangely 10 months ago which is the length of a pregnancy in japan. and levi thought she'll give birth in a few months when in fact she was already in labor, which means historia lied about her pregnancy date. also, the MPs specifically mentioned she didn't marry the farmer, yet apparently she changed her mind and married him sometime after the rumbling, which raises further questions. and what was the point of reinforcing the parallel between her and ymir in 122 or showing her giving birth during the rumbling if it wasn't to establish her relevancy to the plot?? EHY were narratively connected to each other but then isayama replaced historia with mikasa and the narrative completely fell apart.
She gives birth when Eren dies because Eren's future memories go as far as he dies. And it's said way before that if a Titan dies without passing the power, it is assumed by the first newborn Eldian
And on top of that apparently editors revealed that a certain character had two different options. We can only speculate that that is Eren either having the story make sense and ending up with Historia or having it not make much sense and pleasing to the eremika fans
@@shubhsaxena8745 yeah I'm fine with eren dying. I doubt anyone has a problem with eren dying at the end of the story. People's issues are that he died for nothing, the scouts died for nothing, eren being the baby logically made sense along with completing the Rumbling 100%. All this was foreshadowed and was supposed to be happen but was change last minute. That's my personal issue with the ending.
@@shubhsaxena8745 yeah I get u. Yeah it was obvious but it still would've been solid. George R. Martin said it himself and I'm paraphrasing but he said even if the reader knows the Butler did it before its revealed doesn't mean u should change the direction just to shook the audience
It has to be because of the marketing that the eremika fandom brought up that forced the story to be altered so that more merchandises could be sold even though it contradicted the original story
Eren's shock and panic when Zeke told founder Ymir to remove the subject's ability to reproduce is what convinced me. Why would Eren react like that when he already knows he'll get control of the founder eventually? He could easily change it back by then. Unless there was an immediate danger (aka his and Historia's child getting caught in the crossfire) it doesn't make sense.
Do you know why??Its because he wants all eldians to live happily and have the freedom they always seek..This is because zeke plan was to eradicate all the eldians slowly and having no new generatiom😂😂Not because of his panic about the allegedly "his baby with historia"
@@fathilhairudin4536 As I said, Eren could easily return Eldians ability to reproduce once he gets control of the founder, which would happen in an instant. Their freedom wouldn’t be disturbed at all. That’s why Eren’s panic makes no sense unless there was something he couldn’t save involved
@@emilylokman6274 he's panic because he thought ymir would've went through with zeke's plan instead of him and he will not be able to get control of the founder
@@emilylokman6274 the future he saw is what he did in the story😂😂That's why he's panicked because it might fuck up his plan if zeke managed to get control of the founder
With so much foreshadowing for EH and mystery surroundinging the baby's father, it's impossible that Isayama wasn't thinking about a different ending when he wrote those panels. Either he has plans for a sequel series where he will explain those moments or he simply retconned the last chapters to please Japanese fans. The latter is more likely obviously.
EreHisu didn't become canon and you all said all this to make yourself feel better? Kind of pathetic ngl. Eren already said he couldn't respond to Mikasa's feelings to Zeke because he only had 4 years left to live at most, why would he want to have a family with someone else? Lmao. And are we going to act like the identity of the baby father wasn't already mentioned early in the series?
That would be incredibly stupid bc most eremika fans watch the anime. And I’m 100% sure isayama made eren confess bc of the hate he’d get which is so unprofessional btw
I love seeing videos like this. Seriously, it was painfully obvious the direction Isayama was going, I just wish he didn’t change his mind halfway through :/ I still think mikasa is a one dimensional character and Historia is much better suited for Eren
If you're stuck in a situation where you need to have a baby, who would you choose? - A random faceless farmer boi who bullying you when you was a child. - Your closest male friend who actively protect you from any harm, the only one who understand you as you understand him. Have ten packs, shredded body. It's clear as hell, lmao. Historia literally share similar view with Eren's idea of "being born into this world", she has much more parallel with him than Mikasa ever was.
The story has a significant drop in quality post timeskip, and EH was literally the only thread keeping it together. This retcon feels like a middle finger to anyone who followed the plotlines and paid attention to the details, and didn't just mindlessly watch the show for cool action scenes. This video is awesome though. Subscribing and eager for more.
I still don't get how the final panel was grisha holding baby eren saying "you are free" even though he never was free. I don't blame people for thinking that was eren holding a baby in the final panel but oh well 👍
The farmer being the father was supposed to be a red herring because they wanted to fool the military. If the farmer was really the father, why did Isayama even made the pregnancy such a big deal? And they say it's us the fans who made it a big deal, even though it was presented to us in such a way that it WAS supposed to be a big deal right? If one of our main characters is found to be pregnant, who would not think of it as a big deal? And now you are telling me that the pregnancy itself was a red herring, for what to fool the audience? Sorry but that's really awful writing.
@@selinkorkmaz1019 it did look like grisha admittedly but in context it didn't make since for it to be him and it still doesn't make any sense for it to be him especially in the context of surpassing the father how in the hell did grisha surpass his father ?
The last few chapters before 139 hinted at Eren being the father of Historia's child. If Isayama stayed consistent with what he built on both Eren and Historia, Eren's intention to get Historia pregnant was that for Ymir Ymir to be reborn into a free world and end her 2000 years of slavery. Otherwise, there was no point for Historia getting pregnant as Zeke's usefulness to Eren was only for activating the Rumbling.
There is no hint about ymir wanting to be reborn, it just your headcannon and the titanfolk theories, again, it was said a long time ago Who was the father, and in a story where no one, even the characters themselves questioned about the information, it shows that the farmer was indeed the father and people got upset about it
I get an uneasy feeling, whenever I think about the ending of aot! I just don't understand how Isayama threw everything he hinted at and foreshaded in the garbage just like that!
lol who cares about the plot?who cares about the retcon? As long as my ship become canon, then the ending and plot story was perfect...YoU ALL JuSt MaD CuZ YoUr HeAdCaNoN DidN't CoMe TrUe StAy MaD 🤡
It also gives eren a better motivation to oppose his friends and complete the rumbling so he can ensure the future safety of his child. A much better ending is befor mikasa kills eren they are taken to the paths and eren says "take care of them for me"
Oh god my heart is hurting so bad especially when the "zero eclipse" at 2:31 started 😭 I literally haven't watched any related vids with aot or historia or eren from ch 139 release and now I had finally the courage to watch this one .. Tbh I didn't want to watch vids because I knew the comment section would be full with haters and em :(( I really miss eh :((
it's been almost 6 weeks since the ending, and I still can't believe how garbage it was. We had kino, history, classic being made right in front of our goddamn eyes, only for it to vanish into some hot garbage asspulls, this will forever be a lesson to all writers, no matter how good your story is, if you fall under pressure from your dogshit fandom opinions, then your whole story and hard work will collapse on it's own weight. Isayama ruined his Magnum Opus, and he will always be remembered as the writer who you should avoid becoming.
I think the best choice to isayama is to make aot visual novel, because he can decide his own ending + story without force from fans plus visual novel is more longer than manga heck he even can make either eremika or erehisu route (if you familiar with vn you know what I mean about the route) it can be bad ending, normal ending or true ending
I totally agree. Eren and Historia were lovers to the end. Actually, if you take everything that happened up until the very end, it is clear that 1. Eren did the rumbling primarily to save Historia. With titan powers they could have defended Paradis, but only the rumbling could save Histora from being used as a weapon. 2. It is very likley that Historias child is Erens child. This is super important, because it means that Eren did the rumbling, not only to save Historia, but to save his own child! So how can we explain the end we got? Actually it still fits in a way. When Eren talked to Armin, everything he said was a lie. Everything about loving Mikasa was a lie. Eren and Mikasa were just as brother and sisters. So why did he lie? If he had told the truth, it would have put Historia and his unborn child at risk. If Armin had slipped up and said to anyone that the real reason for the rumbling was to save Historia and her child, they would have become the most hated persons in the world. So Eren took the secret of his and Historias love with him to the grave.
I have voiced this opinion before but everyone yelled at me saying that Historia is a canon lesbian and that therefore there was never any evidence towards erenxhistoria.
EreMika was a nice ship, but throughout the whole series, Eren doesn't show feelings for Mikasa, until the last few chapters, so it doesn't make sense. Eren and Historia would be a more Canon ship because both of them got the same thing going on in their lives, one wishes to be free, one wishes to be loved. They both talked about all those things passionately. Mikasa on the other hand was just coming around to want to save Eren, the one she loves. But even so, does that mean Eren will give back the same feeling? In chapter 138, I thought at some point, Eren would say something like he couldn't love Mikasa because he loved Historia and to forget about him. But no. So yeah, I was a bit disappointed that Eren and Historia was not a thing.
Lol, eren never showed any interest about história, u must not have read the manga in the timeskip, mikasa was the person who balanced eren the most, it’s always about her that he shows vulnerability, it was hinted that their relation would be the focal point in the end
Eren never loves mikasa and historia. Showme one panel before the 139 crap where eren was nice o touch mikasa. In facts are more scenes whit eren and historia chating in the whole anime.
@@leonardomatos6381 LOL Eren likes history, during an interview with Eren's favorite type of woman, Eren replies that it's history or Annie doesn't have Mikasa Dear. Eren just thought that Mikasa was his mother. Eren thinks history is special for him, because it symbolizes freedom and.save him. different from Mikasa like a dog just following its master
@@Hbb1n he wasn't shy to show cruel deaths but was shy to draw a kiss? Common, it's his excuse for em fans and fanservice. Moreover, he made her kiss Eren's head CUT OFF
I believe that Isayama wanted originally to demonstrate in his story the difference between healthy romance relationship and toxic obsession, Mikasa was blindly obsessed with Eren to the level of being annoying, Eren told her in S1 that he isn't her little boy or brother before scarring her in his second transformation, as for Historia Eren described her as a normal girl that's pretty much tells the huge difference between obsessed abnormal Mikasa and normal Historia, later Isayama stated that he changed the ending to avoid a traumatic conclusion similar to the movie the mist, he was originally planning for horrible events like Mikasa being shocked with Eren's love for Historia and the baby is his and according to some theories like AnR ending Eren was even going to kill his friends who stood in his way including Mikasa for Historia and his child, of course this is going to be cruel and shocking for the audience and would signal a tragic end for Mikasa but it would be very dope and sensible with the story with great arc and meaning, 139 was a last minute change without any sort of build up or preparation not only that it retconned the entire storyline rendering previous scenes completely useless dropping the series for me to 0/10, and shipped Eren and Mikasa on toxic relationship where Eren wishes for Mikasa to live and die lonely thinking only of him really disgusting, only a stupid writer would compromise the themes and identity of his story to deliver fan fantasies that make zero sense.
You all really want Eren to be Historia's baby father so badly 😂. Eren even refused to accept Mikasa's affection because he said he only had 4 years left(To Zeke in their conversation) but people believe Eren would want to have a child witho someone.... So his child has to become a titan shifter when he dies in 4 years(meaning his child will inherit his titan at age of 4)... Truly destroying the meaning of "living long lives".
@@michaeldesanta7746 well the story also assassinates it, in the end we see how Paradise gets destroyed as we can see in the 8 extra pages, I believe that there is a way for Eren's child to inherit his titan powers but also break the 13 years Ymir's curse.
@@yousefsaber1 The only thing i like about the additional pages is Mikasa's decision to move on romantically speaking, other than that, i agree with you.
I'm a Historia x Eren shipper, so I was very disappointed about the ending. But DO NOT worry my friend, with the latest leaks about the extra panels. Even if we, Historia x Eren shippers, have lost, at least the Mikasa x Eren shipper didn't win either 🤣🤣
who doesnt people know already it was changed since 2020 lol. i dont think anyone denying it(especially since he said it himself before and recently now. Its nto even news). isayama had plans for that character. it is his favorite female character. his fav male i tihnk is reiner and he started liking a eren a little. but she had one the most development and growth as a character. she at least changed a bit and became herself. she also helped the main character and saved him mentally and emotionally. clearly Isayama spend time on her. but since ending was changed her place was needed for original ending. thats assuming isayama is not a terrible writer. but anyways the second ending I think was probably based on armin, eren and mikasa maybe the past. This third ending is eren looking like a simp and mikasa still obsessed with eren and not finding happiness, which isayama didnt want for her character to be defined by eren and follow him around and her happiness is based on him (oh the irony). Its clear for the any romance in anime Isayama when he changed the ending he didnt care he just make eren and mikasa last minute due to editor or for fan service(probably cause fans keep harassing them from what ive seen) not for story. He then tried to focus on the new themes of the story and main dialogues liek armin and eren etc. this is for the new ending trying to show and execute new themes. He did say he failed to put the new themes he wanted. He didnt have enough time to sit down and properly do it. although it will still be bad writing because it contradict past chapters, but at least the ymir love, only ymir knows, eren saying idk despite sayign why in past chapter wouldnt exist. although that will always contradict. So his story was going one way and changing it causes bad writing. He changed it too drastically, in a way he could address the themes and forced to retcon all characters. Which shows non of the characters has consistency or regressed or panels dont make sense.
Can u link me interview where he said he changed the OG ending in 2020.... It is normal for mangaka to change thing here and there...only thing he changed was last panel from three people running toward tree hill to mikasa after discussing with editor... Only thing he regret was Armin- eren convo execution and said he could have execute it better( only arc he regretted was uprising arc and had massive disappointment with it )....people should read interview directly translated from japanese source instead of leak which translate from japan to chinese to english
@@leonardomatos6381 it was specifically emphasized that she didn't marry the farmer. The due date that Levi gave ended up being wrong. Historia looked depressed af around her "baby daddy"...and her asking Eren what did he think about her having a baby with this random, are you serious rn?
@@marcy9125 that’s why i said what i said, about marrying him, it’s not a big deal, they married later; levi wasnt talking exactly, he said especically about time, there were a couple months, meaning some time intuo then, he didnt know for sure , no one knows either; and her being upset, it was obvious, she was feeling guilt, she knew about the rumbling, so she was extremally sad and she said about her having a baby, not us
@@leonardomatos6381 the golden rule of writing...if something is not important, you don't mention it, simple as that. All of the things I listed just look suspicious, and if they were always supposed to be unimportant, then there was no need for them in the manga. The end result is that a huge portion of the fans (me included) interpreted it as red herring - and if such a big group collectively mIsUnDeRsTaNdS the work, then the author made some crucial mistakes when it comes to writing/storytelling.
@@leonardomatos6381 still, why did she ask him though? The convo ended on "so what do you think about me having a baby"...when literally all Eren was talking about before that line was how he wouldn't let Historia go through with Zeke's plan. There's no logic here.
Could've made sense, Eren secretly impregnate Historia and Ymir, the founder could be born free as Historia's baby, also she could've named the baby Ymir, after her friend, made perfect sense to me
Eren even told Zeke that he intentionally pushed Mikasa away because he only had 4 years left to live at most but you all think he would want to have a family with someone else? Lol
@@michaeldesanta7746 *"And here we see, another living organism who doesn't have common sense to understand the point between people being angry about the ending because of their favorite ship sink or being angry because of the author's bad writing"* - Me Hey man, if u spam the same comment when u can't think of a comeback. Then i will spam this too. :)
I personally think that Eren and Historia made the most sense to me... I mean, the way they talk to each other feels kind of different, it's not the type of relationship friends would have, the AnR clip technically showed Eren with a family and his wife couldn't be Mikasa since she would be dead if Eren was alive, after all, she tried to stop the rumbling and I find Mikasa to be an extremely obsessive and bland character. No personality, just pure obsession with Eren as she was acting like a slave towards him. I like Historia and Eren, they are well-developed characters so I like them better
Eren and historia has a similar relationship that eren has with armin, but less deep. That's why it would never worked as a romance, eren nor história never showed any interest with each other, that's why it's so delusional
@@leonardomatos6381 I would actually agree with you if I only watched the anime. WIT removed a lot of dialogue between Eren and Historia and they even changed the places they were talking to (First their conversation was on a bedroom, then it was on a kitchen)
It would have made a lot of sense in the manga! Looks like Yams regreted this romance way before the ending because in the anime many Eren x Historia moments were toned down or removed entirely
Eren inner dialogue if the story was realistic. EMA conversation, Mikasa’s delusions: "No. You're being controlled." Mikasa states. Eren couldn't help but feel sorry for her. She could never truly understand him. She never understood him for who he is. That day when she ratted him out to his parents for wanting to join the Survey Corps, she never cared about his dreams. She only wanted to keep him safe even if she had to keep him behind the walls, under the containment of his mother. That day at the training camp when he got the hang of the training gear. He wanted her to not worry about him anymore, to be confident in his abilities. But she only believed that he wanted to be even more attached to her. She didn't believe in him. She was willing to follow him to the fields if he failed, she didn't care if he had passed or not. She never cared about his independence. This is what Erens inner dialogue should have been in my opinion. If there is enjoyment for this I will do more.
Oh wow, this is extremely insightful writing! It highlights the core of EM's actual dynamic in an honest and creative way. The blindly romanticized interpretations I usually see don't do Eren and Mikasa's relationship any favors. She's more in love with her own internalized IDEA of Eren, rather than the actual man and his personal ambitions. That's why I truly believe Mikasa having to gradually detach herself from her one-sided Eren obsession would have been the most satisfying endgame development for BOTH of those characters. So by all means PLEASE do more write-ups like this!
@@loco_logic Your comment is an accurate summary of my feelings for their relationship. Thanks for enjoying my interpretation of Eren and his inner thoughts.
Next video, Armin the Hypocrite. Sub and share if you can.
Armin could've been a great character (even with his flaws during the final arc) but 139 ruined him even more....that's sad
"ThAnk YoU fOr BeComIng a MaSs MurDeReR fOr OuR sAkE"
@@LelChiha he became diet Willy tyber I've never been more ashamed
@@thatoneblackdude3333 lmao
Armong the hypoctie
WHAT?? A female shonen character with a detailed backstory? That's thematically and narratively important to the main plot? Who also is as emotionally complex and ambituously independent as the male lead?
Naaah son that's illegal! Toss that afterTHOT in the bushes!
Its not even shonen
@@Djirifoekrkfkf Attack on Titan is a Shōnen manga series.
This comment is so perfect lol
LOL
Facts, I love Historia.
Can't believe my girl was sidelined for nothing, garbage writing. Whatever atleast I can count on the requiem team to actually give a damn about the characters
Historia was to good for aot
@@thatoneblackdude3333 she was, can't have shit in shounen.
@@joseph-bs8yn aot should have never been shounin in the first place don't know why it was when shit like Gore and literally genocide was going on
@@thatoneblackdude3333 for real if isayama was planning on the rumbling from the start, why wasn't aot a seinen?
There's no excuse for how he handled the rumbling arc.
@@joseph-bs8yn I didn't like the direction the timeskip took post Marley and now it all makes since every plot point introduced after that went nowhere in the end I stand uncorrected that season 3 was peak attack on titan
"You are the girl who saved me that day" if eren had told this line to any other girl then it would have been considered as a confession according to the fandom
Right ? If he said this to mikasa it would be taken as s love confession without question but because it's historia people will bend over backwards to say it doesn't mean anything
Lol if it was said in the same context literally no one would consider it a confession as it was an attempt to manipulate het into playing along with his plan.
@@ievajachimaviciute2219 if you consider that manipulation you clearly weren't paying attention to that scene at all and eren manipulating historia don't even make since nor does he benifit from doing that at all
@@thatoneblackdude3333 it benefits him a lot to make her stay Quiet. Lmao. He manipulated his father the Exact same way, by saying the right thing at the right time. Only delusional shippers can make it into a "love confession". 😂
@@ievajachimaviciute2219 if that was the case he wouldn't have gone to her at all as telling her his plans doesn't do anything for him , historia has no real power she couldn't stop eren even if she wanted to . why would eren Go from carrying for her well being to manipulating her especially when he doesn't need to tell me how that makes since ? There's a huge difference to what erem did to grisha and what he did to historia, Ishyama makes it clear when erens being manipulative and when he isn't he used aggressive behavior and language he was being cold and cruel when talking to grisha he used the same tone when talking to Armin and mikasa , with historia none of that body language nor behavior was present he spoke honestly and gently when he said" your the worst girl who saved my life " that wasn't manipulation it was a confession of gratitude he was tanking her for saving his life and reminding her of her own words to snap her out of her krista personality and live for herself , funny you accuse " delusional shippers" of seeing it as romantic when these delusional shippers have been proven correct all this month about the ending and everything else .
That baby should have been hold by eren
That baby should have been the first eldian child to be born free
*the first royal blooded eldian child
More like, should've been Ymir born free
I hope the anime don't do the same mistakes.
The baby technically is. Even in the canon ending.
Well. Technically. It is, and it isn't. It's free in a world without titans at least.............but then it'd have to deal with the rest of the 20%. I swear to god if we get a peace ending where Arming mong's everyone with his Umi da into holding hands and singing Kumbaya then the ending is going to be garbage.
Shippers ruined the series. I'm not even saying that because I personally hate shippers, the interview said isayama looked online at the headcanons people had for inspiration
More specifically eremika shippers ruined the series
@@thatoneblackdude3333 personally I hate all shippers. I preferred the old interview isayama gave where he said he hated romance. However, I can recognize a historia relationship would have actual plot relevancy unlike a mikasa one.
Also I think Isayama said that he doesn't like the idea of childhood friends ending up together, and Mikasa is a mother figure to Eren, so why tf did he contradict himself in the final chapter?
@@rickchakraborty2087 got critics from EreMikatards maybe, I wouldn't be surprised with their toxity
@@KEN-cs4pn but Isayama actually listened to some kids online? Doesn't he have the balls to properly execute the ending of his own story he worked on for so many years? And here we thought Isayama is some mad genius writer...
Eren was definitely supposed to be revealed as the father because it was supposed to set context for why Eren would loathe Zeke's sterilization plan. Isayama ruined it.
Exactly what I was thinking
I agree that it would add another personal reason for why Eren wouldn't agree with Zeke's euthanization plan, but the context was there from the beginning. Eren fundamentally opposes the plan because he believes everyone is special because they are born in this world, whereas Zeke thinks Eldians being born into the world is a burden. Also, Zeke's plan involved the people of Paradis staying behind the walls like cattle for the rest of their lives, which is directly against Eren's idea of freedom. So without a baby even being involved, Eren disagreed with the plan and we already knew why.
but isayama is literally the author???? it's his plot
@@jaedited8684 fr
@@jaedited8684 I refused to be a slave to his ending. Like Eren I will keep moving forward and refuse the dirty,filthy,crappy,shitty,ugly ending of a story and promote a better one.
"Freckled Ymir, Ymir Ymir..." that line was Goated af
Gay yimr
Baby yimr
Chad Ymir
Simp loli Ymir
alpha ymir
sigma ymir
Developed Ymir
Bullshit Ymir
@@Joe-gb7mz alpha ymir
cucked beta ymir
I hate when people say, "the pregnancy was a red herring." Or "the fans made the pregnancy important."
The red herring argument is a lot like the subverting expectations argument. Subverting expectations isn't a good plot device if not executed correctly. Same with a red herring. The fans weren't the ones who made the pregnancy a big deal. It was Isayama. Why make her pregnancy so secretive if it wasn't going to be a big deal? Isayama also puts a lot of emphasis on parents not passing down burdens on their children or leading them out of the woods. If the child was Eren's and he completed the Rumbling, he would have surpassed his father by not allowing his child to be born into a cruel world where they would have to fight to exist. It's beyond obvious the father was meant to be Eren.
The pregnancy being a red harring doesn't even make since as that's not how red hearings work the answer is supposed to be a surprise and something people don't see coming having the father be the farmer anyway dispute multiple pieces of evidence saying otherwise is just bad writing the pregnancy plot line was a mistake and Ishyama should not have bothered especially when it came at the expense of a major character like historia
Why would it cut to historia giving birth in middle of the rumbling if it wasn't important
@@mboseman2895 all Ishyama had to do was give the farmer a face and a name and there would be no question if it was always supposed to be him he made an entire character who's sole existence is to simp for Sasha but he can't do that for his supposed favorite female character?
@@thatoneblackdude3333 yea seriously Sasha's romance and family drama was handled so well even after she died. So the "she's just a side character" doesn't slide.
@@mboseman2895 it's a bullshit argument when most " side characters " in this series were more important then the main 3 multiple times and changed the entire story and narrative notice how they don't try to dismiss reniers importance dispute him being a " side character" Its only historia
It’s just sad seeing some of these older scenes now, knowing that it all leads to garbage.
Right ? All that means nothing now ridiculous
😂😂😂
Knowing how it ended, it feels empty and meaningless now.
Me too. All of those wonderful scenes turn out to be meaningless garbage. But even so, If the leaks for the latest chapter are true, then we can at least all laugh at the ending together 🤣🤣
it's not garbage
Just saw a video of someone trying to explain why Historia's character wasn't ruined in Chapter 139. God, the amount of mental gymnastics. Historia basically became exactly like her parents; using her child as a means to an end.
The fact that people don't see how wrong that is And how much that contradicts her character is baffling
@@thatoneblackdude3333 I know and I try to explain exactly how it destroys her character but all I get in response is; "shipper!" and "well at least she loves her kid." Like even if she loves her kid the damage is still done. Historia didn't have her for the sake of loving her. She had her to save herself and use as a tool.
what is this video exactly
@@mboseman2895 that's the only typical argument the idiot sheep can give, calling anyone "shipper" who doesn't agree with them
Telling a tale of utterly garbage, don't be surprised from toxic fans who only ship romance in Aot bruh
I seriously don't get why this pairing in general is so obnoxiously hated. I'm not a shipper nor do I usually just pair people up in stories because they're "cute" together. What I'm interested in is the plot and what some relationships could contribute to it. Isayama made such a mystery of this pregnancy and both characters post timeskip that I was really interested in the possibility of exploring Eren's motivations had he had a child. He set up a Chekhov's gun and left it hanging.
After 139 not only shooting Eren's character in the foot by having him be a slave to fate to the bitter end and reveal that his actions of personal freedom were nothing but an act, completely disregarding characters like Historia, Reiner, having Armin be mad that Eren hurt Mikasa's feelings instead of the fact that he was gonna kill 80% of the world, the whole Ymir plot point that connects to Mikasa which is just about as sudden and out of left field as Arya killing the Night King. It's just one massive disappointment all around.
Either Isayama just wanted to be done with Attack on Titan or he just changed the ending months before it's conclusion. What a shame.
I don't get it ether historia is literally the only other character eren has a deep relationship with other then Armin and is healthy and compliments eachother the people who hate it are rabbid eremika fans who are obsessed with the ship and yimihesu fans who are obsessed with historia being gay even tho it was largely ymir being gay for historia and she's fucking dead
I don't know either why this only ship that hated so much by the fandom, literally "every ship is canon except erehisu" like whyyyy?????? 😭😭😭
This made me feel a little better knowing I'm not the only one who likes EH not because it's cute but because it has development and depth and has something to do with the story progressing, rather than the forced one in the end. And some even had the audacity to say EH shippers are delusional. Says their Stan who had a wet dream fantasy of her step-brother and it becomes true! Not hate to the former Mikasa, but for 138-139 one.
Why is EH and in general Historia hated so much? The reason is very simple. It's because Historia is the only other potential candidate Eren could end up with after Mikasa. And of course that's a very dangerous red flag to the EM stans because their own ship is in danger because of this one female character named Historia. They care about their ships more than the actual story. They are casual bandwagon "fans" who started watching the series because of some fan favourite poster characters like Mikasa and Levi. Bunch of kids who should have never set their foot in the AoT world and story because they don't even deserve to be a part of the fandom in the first place. Sorry if I sounded rude, but yeah.
@@rickchakraborty2087 you're right. A lot Eremika fans thought there was a solid chance the child could be Eren's which intensified their hatred of Erehisu and Historia. I am also sick of anti-Erehisu who aren't shipper telling us that we got blind-sided by shipping goggles when even the Japanese Fandom was split on whether Eren was actually the child's real father vs the pregnancy being fake. This just goes to prove that there was plenty in the narrative that showed that isayama meant for the audience to have doubts about what MP told them regarding the circumstances of Historia's pregnancy. This isn't some crack ship that we came up with because "oh they would be so cute to gether".
Couple things to add as well. During their secret convo he tells her “OUR only options are to fight or run.” Eren straight up told her he’s willing to overthrow the government OR he is willing to flee this place entirely with her. If this dude loved Mikasa the entire time, why is he willing to spend up the rest of his time left with Historia somewhere the two can’t be found? Historia and Eren’s whole scene in the government building where she cries because of how he stood up for her is a call back to Grisha and his first wife Dina. After saying something that motivates her and brings her to tears, the two marry.
Great point!
It is 'THE' instead of 'OUR' in official transaslation.
@@manishmalla2633 With context it's "OUR" anyways. Eren was clearly talking about the 2 of them.
@@hiroshiramasendjews9539 nope it was mistranslation....context matter thats why it IS THE not OUR.
Not only with the Dina Grisha parallel, but Carla Grisha too. It was a consistent theme in AOT where people fall in love when they were saved/protected during their lowest point. Its why Mikasa is obsessed with Eren too because he saved her. Historia and Eren both saved/protected each other during their lowest point, it make perfect sense that they both love each other. But now both barely give a shit about each other in the ending? Wtf man these retcon is so fking shit. Isayama just decided to contradict all the things he established just so he can make more money with the popular ship.
Isayama definitely changed the plot last minute,facts.
Whether it was his decision or the publishers the last 2 chapters were changed drastically.
Check his interviews then.
@@michaeldesanta7746 interview forced editor
@@historiareiss8750 Yeah, i got that info from another one of my fellow EreHisu too.
Erehisu still was never canon or was never gonna be canon lol
@Mikasa Ackerman im not sure if you are trolling or not, but just in case you arent. allow me to help out your illiterate 12 y/o brain with these shitty arguments you just gave. somehow you got most of them wrong, idk how you continue to misinterpret scenes even kids could understand. eren defends mikasa in court after the MP threatens to dissect eren and mikasa, look at how much hes in love with her!!!!
Im not asking for them to be together, i just wanted a good story and a coherent ending. It just so happens that Eren and Historia being together made sense and ties the story really well compared to another ship. Eren and Historia understood each other and have shown their vulnerable side to each other. They saved each other and I dont understand why people cant wrap their heads around the idea that maybe Eren loved Historia for saving him not physically but emotionally and mentally.
Shipping and denial concocted together is one helluva drug.
I wanted them to endup together because it add something to their characters and to the stroy but what does ermika even add ? Mikasa finally getting her trophy husband? Like her and her scarf literally don't affect the main plot at all
Yeah. Eren and Historia might have been.....well.....the only ship that actually made sense for the plot, and moved the plot forward. It's just so different from the other ships.
Now try to copy and paste this comment in one of FoxenAnime's video and see the insults you will start getting from the delusional shippers.
Lmfao, stop the shipping war, EreHisu is just a friendship
Tbh I’m pissed seeing all the old scenes and uprising arc knowing it leads into dog shit/ nothing
😂😂😂
Same man
The potential of Eren-Historia are way bigger than we think. Imagine this tagline if the finale went for Akatsuki No Requiem type ending/theme:
2000 years ago, a royal child born from the Horned Devil (Fritz) and the Girl (Ymir) has started the age of Titans and suffering. 2000 years later, a royal child born from the Hooded Devil (Eren) and the Girl (Historia) is free from the age of Titans and suffering. 🤯
The potential of Eren-Mikasa is basically a bootleg/discounted version Jack-Rose ship in Titanic. 😔
Omg exactly now I'm even more mad that they didn't make EH canon 😭 it made so much sense plot and theme wise
There is no potential for EM in my opinion. It just ruins Eren's character, and it makes Mikasa a slave. It's not good for any of there characters at all and it does absolutely nothing for the plot.........
Edit: Actually.........nah wait......maybe EM wouldn't be so bad. It just has poor execution.
King Fritz to Ymir: You....are free.
Eren to reincarnated Ymir: You....are free!
This would've been a mindblowing parallel imho
@@unbiasvsbias3955 I was really looking forward to that Parallel.
@@hiroshiramasendjews9539 We all were.....but sadly i guess that was only wishful thinking.
Isayama hinted at Erehisu so much it was fucking insane it really didn't make any sense why he went so hard with their relationship going so in depth just to do what he did. There were so many ppl who started off shipping Eren and Mikasa but after seeing the undeniable and effortless chemistry between Eren and Historia a lot of ppl changed their minds just based simple on what we were being shown. It still doesn't make any damn sense why Historia was talking to Eren about if she should have a baby or not. That goes beyond a red herring or whatever excuse some ppl are coming up with to make it seem like ppl thinking Historias baby was Erens baby made it up in their own heads. You don't just discuss rather you should have a child or not with some male friend who you don't want to be the father??
Its like this man doesn't understand how human relationships work! Then why were they having so many behind the scene private conversations?? It doesn't add up at all not even a little! I honestly have no problem with Eremika being end game but make it make sense please! Build up to it please, give mikasa proper character development please! Make eren actually show some romantic affection some warmth at some point through out the series please! I just watched the whole mikasa kissing eren head. Eren crying about how he loved mikasa blank face. Not because I hate the ship because I don't but because there was nothing building up to it getting me emotionally invested. Like maybe if Eren showed romantic interest in her over the years we've been reading I could care about it.
Isayama hinted into erehisu so much. Lmao have we read the same manga? Isayama hinted into EREMIKA from the start. The scarf is the red string of destiny.
Historia will always love Ymir. Her and Eren never got a romantic interactions that was made by shippers's eye
@@pollypow2576 The scarf ain’t even red in the manga, its black. So your red string of destiny dosen’t mean shit.
@@pollypow2576 sure buddy, I'm sure u haven't even watched the video.
You all still mad that your ship didn't become canon, so much for "only caring about the story".
@@michaeldesanta7746 the facts that you want to change people's mind about something they loved… 💀
I can't believe that the fandom from now on will keep talking for years about why aot ending sucked and how to fix it just like what happened with naruto, i really didn't want this to happen to aot
What happened in Naruto?
But it happened 😂😂😂
Narutos ending wasn't even bad
Narutos ending wasn't bad though. In fact it was a perfect ending for Naruto.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 yea at least Sasuke didn't say, "who cares about the Uchiha clan!" "I can't remember why I wanted to destroy the Hidden Leaf." "What if Sakura finds another man?!" Or "I had Itachi kill the Uchiha clan."
we were robbed. why sideline historia. why all the parallels with founder ymir. thank you for another based video(even more so on erehisu day!)
"But... But Historia is just a side character! Mikasa is a main character and was the first character Isayama made! Eremika was always supposed to be canon! Even the voice actors themself ship them so much, plus Mikasa VA even sung a song dedicated to Eren!"
Ye I think the amine would make eremika canon but the manga had more potential and plot relevance if erehisu is canon like why keep the pregnancy plot so mysterious and Leave the father questionable it makes no sense I think as the video stated that Eren was sussposed to be the father of historians baby but it was scrapped due to I believe influence from the fandom
@@rickchakraborty2087 the actors shipping it has zero relevancy, they might even just be pretending in front of the fans, it's called fanservice. This video explained why Historia and Eren had a lot more to give to the story than Eremika ever could. I don't ship either that much, and if EreHisu had been handled as badly as EreMika was, I'd react the same way, but when I tell you how empty and nonplussed I felt when reading the (suddenly romance-centric out of nowhere) last chapters... It felt dumb, and out of character, and didn't fit the tone of the manga at all. AoT has never been about romance, it's been about friendships, freedom, escaping an inescapable fate others chose for you. Then suddenly, the entire plot was about Ymir needing some visual example of how to let go of a crush? Please.
@@angelic252 that's what I'm saying. People give stupid arguments to like Eremika, no matter how one-sided it felt throughout the series. And we care about what's happening inside the story, not what some people OUTSIDE the story has to say. Who cares if some VAs and director and editor etc. ship them, their romance isn't handled well at all in the story. Atleast Erehisu was a lot better and their relationship felt more healthy and natural (not to mention Erehisu made a lot of sense for the plot), but now tell that to the delusional EMtards and see the insults they start giving you.
@@rickchakraborty2087 omg sorry mate I didn't see the quotation marks my bad!
How I know Eren was the father... isayama could just gave historia a scene confirming the farmer is the father lol. instead, he kept the pregnancy plot mysterious, only for him to retcon it. Its obvious eren was the father, anyone that denies it doesn't understand writing.
The farmer being the father was supposed to be a red herring because they wanted to fool the military. If the farmer was really the father, why did Isayama even made the pregnancy such a big deal? And they say it's us the fans who made it a big deal, even though it was presented to us in such a way that it WAS supposed to be a big deal right? If one of our main characters is found to be pregnant, who would not think of it as a big deal? And now you are telling me that the pregnancy itself was a red herring, for what to fool the audience? Sorry but that's really awful writing.
Thank you. Like for real. Just give the farmer a name and face and we wouldn't have questioned if he was the father. Just give Historia and him a convo about them having a child and boom. Nobody will think there is some secret father.
But he didnt, the next chapter after thjat historia was pregnant, it was said Who was the father, it wasnt a mistery
@@leonardomatos6381 your obviously slow if you think the best way to confirm a baby daddy is through military police fodder.
@@IgboKing exactly! what kind of story writing is that. Let's just have 3rd party confirmed the identity of the father and never have historia and farmer discuss or have any freaking conversation together. Farmer was literally just a prop on the set and we are supposed to believe that Historia fell in love with this unknown character and had a kid with him despite her never uttering a word to him lol
The goat is back 🐐, I think AOT should’ve never used romance as a prominent story aspect in the first place but EH made so much sense plot and theme wise so i was fine with it . EM has no proper development so it feels rushed af the only logical ship was EH , EM stans will never listen to deductive reasoning tho😑. As you said either yams retconned the story or he’s a god awful writer lol
Why shouldn't? Isn't romance important in your life? Isn't it important in any person?
@@cosapocha Yes romance is important but in the context of AOT romance shouldn’t be the focal point of the story in which Explored War,Racism,Freedom, political power struggles,cycle of hatred, and difficult sacrifices etc.To Put It Simply the Romance we got in 138 and 139 between Eren/Mikasa could’ve worked if it was properly developed and fleshed out like the other story aspects I named
@@Capo_4L It isn't the most important topic, but is important. As it should be. It's not a focal point by any means.
@Someone :/ he was consistently good for 123 chapters, that's likes several years....
Wtf u on about, Isayama is agreat writer, if only he didn't listen to his editors and trusted his own vision which would have ended the story at around 123, why did he need to go online? And look at what tge fans wanted? Thats not what u do.... we know its a fact that he already kept a Character alive bcoz of one of his editors! That's pathetic.
@Someone :/ ok 1-123 give me a plot hole.
I’m at the point where I believe Isayama purposely made a "shit ending" because he wants to do an anime original ending so nobody could get spoiled and to subvert readers expectations.
Bro i hope so because the original ending could have been masterpiece but i think magazine or editor made him change it....
This ending doesn't even feel like something Isayama would write with his free will.
My comment sounds ironic lol
@@blackairforce13 lol
@@blackairforce13 lol
Historia and Eren were a perfect couple. Throughout the whole story in the manga, they have a lot of beautiful moments. In the whole manga Eren ignores Mikasa's feeling and pays no attention to it. The last chapter was nonsense and garbage because he turned to love Mikasa out of nowhere!
Unlike the development between Eren and Historia.
I don't think he really loved Mikasa. What he said sounded selfish mostly.
The thing is, even if Eren had romantic feelings for Mikasa throughout the story, them being a couple would still be fundamentally bad for two big reasons.
1. Mikasa is Eren's adopted sister. I know some people who like this ship would try to use the fact that they're not BIOLOGICALLY related as a defense but that doesn't really make much difference. When Grisha is pleading with Frieda Reiss to stop the titans attacking Wall Maria, he refers to Mikasa as his daughter (in some translations, he says "my children" but it's obvious he's talking about Mikasa as well as Eren). Also, Isayama himself stated that Eren sees Mikasa as more of a mother/sister figure. For all intents and purposes, Eren and Mikasa are siblings (biological or not) and the idea of them being romantically involved with each other at all is just gross.
2. They lack any sort of chemistry to justify a romantic relationship. Aside from the fact that they grew up in the same general area, are both orphans, and have the same occupation, Eren doesn't really have all that much in common with Mikasa. They don't really have any shared goals, struggles, philosophies, or interests. Not to mention their dynamic is actually pretty dysfunctional throughout the story. For most of the story, Eren is either ignoring Mikasa or straight up treating her like garbage while Mikasa is obsessing over him to an unhealthy degree (and the fact that she clearly has romantic feelings towards him makes this obsession all the more uncomfortable). So yeah, their dynamic doesn't exactly scream "romance".
That being said, I do think Eren and Mikasa work perfectly fine as a strictly platonic brother/sister relationship. In terms of romance, however, I agree wholeheartedly that Eren and Historia are much better suited for each other.
Historia and eren bing together just make more sense than Mikasa and eren . They looks like siblings
I was used to see romances with bad development in shonen so when I started SNK I was not really expecting something.
When I saw Eren and Historia, however, I was amazed by how perfect their writing was: it coincided perfectly with their characters but also with the themes of the story.
Historia and Eren both found a way of life in books: Eren discovered the outside world/freedom, which made him angry to be trapped inside the walls, something he didn’t even realized before. Historia discovered good parenting in books too, and started to think about her own treatment and life. She later found the purpose of being « Krista » to finally let it go and become what she really was.
In the manga, their kitchen discussion happens in a room where they are alone and is much longer (they seem to talk all night). It’s a very intimate and cute moment. Eren acted awkwardly around her, and he is the first person to accept Historia as herself and to like her more than Krista.
Like you perfectly said it, their situations reverse, and Historia is now the one able to save Eren like she’s been saved by Ymir.
She saves him mentally and in 130 Eren uses the same kanji that Niccolo used for Sasha. The moment Historia chooses Eren over the world and gives him a god power, determines the demon he will become
« Eat me and save the world ».
Historia and Eren later have deep discussions: they are both able to understand each other. They have the same ideals of freedom, and Eren admires Historia for that because she is the picturing of freedom (she cut her ties with her past/her father, made the children go out of the underground city, a sort of « forest »).
But season 4, with Eren being overprotective towards Historia, with him repeating to Ymir Historia’s words to free her while looking desperate about sterilization (all of this when Historia is pregnant) gives so much evidence.
Hanji insisted on Historia: « don’t you care about Historia ? ». Since season 3 she noticed something and knew it was Eren’s weak point: she mentioned Historia, not Mikasa, that Eren literally forced to go to Revelio and put in danger. He is triggered by Historia’s mention and asks if there was another option: we clearly see that Historia being sacrificed was one of the things that convinced him he had no other option than the rumbling, yet in 139, Historia totally disappears from Eren’s mind.
Hanji said she was CONVINCED he would not sacrifice Historia, not his friends: Historia.
Eren also says to Falco the letter didn’t reach his family but his friends. He considers his family to be other people...
He also knows that the person Falco doesn’t want to be turned into a titan is a girl, it’s a very strong parallel with his own behavior with Historia.
For me his sentence in 130 sound like a damn love confession: Eren admires the « worst » side of Historia since it’s nothing else than the one who saved him, the freest one.
If we wanna talk about incoherences now:
Historia’s pregnancy was not a redflag: first, she was shown alone in paths, it would not have been complicated to put her lovely farmer besides her, but Historia is relaxed, her hands in the pockets, knowing exactly what’s happening.
She gives birth too soon as if she lied on the conception date.
She is not married to the farmer like the MPs say (but in 139 she suddenly is)
Her conversation with Eren makes no sense now:
- Eren didn’t want Historia to bread like livestock, without love, yet that’s exactly what she did and there is no way he would have accepted this.
- Eren didn’t talk about the wine plan to Historia even tho it didn’t need her pregnancy.
- Eren had no reason to tell his fake plan to Historia: he gained nothing from her, so it can’t be manipulated, but it’s not to make a confession and share his burden with someone too since he lied
- Historia asked about Eren to bear a child which makes absolutely no sense: if the pregnancy wasn’t revelant why letting 130 end without answer on another mystery ?
The panel where she asks this is disconnected from their conversation we don’t understand what happened between the two flashbacks. Some shards of Historia crying are not here too.
Anyway, EH made total sense and was planned to be canon. I am sorry if my comment was long but so much things are illogic and there is so much wasted potential that it hurts.
In what chapter in the manga was the eren and Historia's kitchen discussion? And was that discussion cut in the anime?
@@rickchakraborty2087 yes there was a major discussion in the manga but I think eren and historia would have made more sense in the manga but I knew the ending would have come to this as I noticed that animation studios and the anime adaptation literally cut down major eren and historia convos and made it seem normal, if they further do this for the final season and it ended like this I would not be surprised that many are satisfied how it ends.
@@ok-ri4yk well it isn't surprising, WIT was a huge EM fanboy along with the director and editor, but that doesn't mean they should just cut dialogues and ruin the chemistry between some characters, it's disrespectful. Anyways what chapter was that conversation which got cut in the anime?
@@rickchakraborty2087 I can’t remember the chapter but it’s at the beginning of the uprising arc just before Historia and Erne get kidnapped by Rhodes Reiss
@@elonaackerman4163 It’s chapter 54
I defenetly think Erenmika was not originally planned by Isayama because after the chapter 113 I decided to eatch AOT season 1 a second time and it was made more then clear that Eren has hate against Mikasa in season 1 and 2. This sentense he said I always hated you Mikasa made that clear
They had actual chemistry together (something Eren and Mikasa never had, that was one-sided).
Eren and Historia ending together would actually make sense (from the art you can tell Historia doesn't like the farmer guy or at least, she's not happy with him that's for sure).
Historia's baby being actually Eren's would also make sense.
Eren staying alive in the paths, living a new life, rising a resurrected baby Ymir and telling her she's finally "free" would also make sense..
But no, "let's make Eren die a virgin and make him admit he loves someone he never liked"
"Let's make Historia fuck with an unknown dude, looking sad as fuck, but happy in the epilogue"
"Let's make Ymir a slave for 2000 years cause she loves the man that enslaved her and used her as a breeding tool"
"The Armin and Annie shipping moments?... mmm, let's do nothing about that"
*genius* :v
i really hope eren did make a bby w her uk
ngl i was in utter shock at the armin and annie barrel drop, i never expected them to shove bert's feelings so far up armin's spine when homeboy ate him to the point where they took over his brain. admittedly, they were kinda cute towards the end, and i ended up aw'ing here and there, but where'd that come from? bruh
damn I hate Armin Annie nonsense even more than Eren's childish breakdown about Mikasa in chap139.
I mean Annie butchered an entire platoon and was enjoying it. She was also remorseless for most part, then suddenly she's the love interest for Erwin incarnate
I don't think historia was happy with the farmer, but she was happy with her baby. That's in the end she is holding her baby and smiling a bit sad, but most importantly, she left behind that shitty farmer that she really don't love.
Ok I trust you couse for 2 min couse you writed a paragraph to prove your point ..
If my options are either retcon or shit writing I'm definitely going with retcon. The chemistry is just too THERE for it to have been nothing.
Maybe Yams purposely set it up so the story could have ended with either EM or EH, but EM (and Mikasa in general) is just so poorly written with such little development that it's hard to believe it was ever an option. Literally everyone thought Mikasa's goal as a character was to grow apart from Eren, that's how badly written their romance is 💀
@Someone :/ I didn't say "shit writer," but "shit writing." The main issue is that EH stuff isn't just random. It's clearly done purposely and made to look a certain way. The baby question is literally in betweens Zeke talking about love with Eren.
I also agree that romance was never Isayama's strong suit when it came to writing, but if EM was always supposed to be endgame and EH was nothing this is beyond shit writing. It was either bait or a retcon.
Yams isn't the greatest writer ever, but you have to be a dummy to accidentally write this relationship.
I'm not saying it's an excuse and it's okay. Retcons last minute make the story seem inconsistent and we end up with shit like EM. Just trying to find some reasoning behind how we ended up like this. If he does write more manga I hope he learns from this as well.
@Someone :/ yeah I didn't think you were disagreeing just clarifying my position and agreeing with what you're saying. I've never personally slandered Isayama for those reasons.
Unfortunately the man can't speak English and was listening to Japanese fans who really love Mikasa for being an underdeveloped subservient Eren simp. So for some reason he thought that's what majority of fans wanted completely forgetting attack on titan was a global series and above all else to follow your own damn writing. Its so clear he was building up to Erehisu being Cannon just from how underdeveloped, stagnant and one sided Eren and Mikasa relationship was all the way through. Some EM shippers are acting like just cause Eren stopped treating mikasa like garbage and respected her physical strength means he loved her stop the fucking cap! That is not what romantic love looks like.
@@jadibdraws why did Isayama even try to listen to the fans instead of sticking to his own writing and ending, the man's series has been so successful for such a long time. What even happened to him all of a sudden? Fell to marketing corruption?
Well looks like she moved on
Chapter 134:
"Eren... What part of you is free?" - Armin.
At the begining of chapter, Historia is giving birth. And the chapter ends, with Armin doing that question to Eren. Implying the child is Eren's son. And the child is the part of him that will be free. Eren was fighting to give his son the freedom he never had. Too bad Yams throw all this beautiful parallels in the dust.
Heu... I am a AnR believer, but the panel you are talking about is at the begining of the chapter. Armin's quote is at the end.
@@titan-framboise3126 Yo. Thanks for the reminder.
Have you ever thought that maybe there was a chance your theory wouldn't be true?
@@michaeldesanta7746 Sure, if I wasn't paying attention to the story.
@@DouglasR1B Eren was the same guy who told Zeke he couldn't reciprocate Mikasa's feelings because he only had 4 years left to live, he said that but would have a child with someone? 🤷♂️.
Historia: Eren, I suddenly fell in love with you, what a hero to Paradis. What do you think of us having a baby? Our child can become a motivation to push you closer to your goal. Annihilate everyone outside the walls.
This is what you believed happened in their conversation? Bro 😂
Now that I think about it, It's really funny you know? look how Mikasa saved Eren's life millions of times, but anyway he sees Historia as "the girl who saved him"... I mean, I don't even shipp EH but...
Mikasa may have saved him physically but historia saved him mentally which holds more weight anyone could have saved erens life the way mikasa did but not many people could do what she did for him in the cave which is proven later when all the scouts come to his rescue who's words encouraged him the most ? Levi and historia 2 people who helped shape who eren is as a person
@@thatoneblackdude3333 I agree
@@thatoneblackdude3333 exactly. Also the farmer being the father was supposed to be a red herring because they wanted to fool the military. If the farmer was really the father, why did Isayama even made the pregnancy such a big deal? And they say it's us the fans who made it a big deal, even though it was presented to us in such a way that it WAS supposed to be a big deal right? If one of our main characters is found to be pregnant, who would not think of it as a big deal? And now you are telling me that the pregnancy itself was a red herring, for what to fool the audience? Sorry but that's really awful writing.
yeah bc mikasa was the only one who taught him how to love someone and he was the one to taught her how to live.
@@P1eceTheo Oh no, Mikasa didn't taught him how to love, she taught him how to obsess over a person (that's what Eren shows in that pathetic panel).
That's not love buddy, much less healthy
100% agree!!!! And people forget that when Eren went to tell historia about the rumbling he first said to her we either run or fight. Eren was literally willing to run with Historia if that’s what she decided or fight everyone including the scouts because they were on board with Historia eating Zeke. They are canon!!
Lmfao, Zeke had to be saved for Eren to activate the Rumbling... Eren told Mikasa he would run away with her to spend his remaining 4 years with her had she picked a different answer. Cope fans cope.
@@michaeldesanta7746 you're the one coping, holding on to your shippy crumbs while the entire plot is breaking apart
@@angelic252 I am fine with JeanKasa tho, honestly you just sound salty that even a less popular ship like JeanKasa beat your EreHisu 🤷♂️
@@michaeldesanta7746 who gives a shit about ships, we just wanted a decent plot and ending
@@angelic252 You said the same thing every other EreHisu fan said. All of them said exactly what you said on a non shipping video, only to show their true colours when they are in a shipping video like this 😂.
We'll see if you are actually honest about what you said.
poor isayama probably was just too afraid to make them canon cuz of those obsessed eremika fans after making mikasa chasing after eren for all that 4 seasons. eremika literally feels like an U turn lmao..
Hagjme Isayama is the Todd Howard of mangakas, hope that failed internet cafe owner never makes a shitty manga ever again.
@@UmQasaann lol. he himself said that he cant write "romance" yet he made a forced romance scene in the final.
@@UmQasaann There's no need to insult him tho!!! Am as pissed as u and many other fans about the ending but that doesn't mean we have to disrespect him!!! At least he admitted that he made a terrible mistake!!!
Im not a shipper but I also think that eren and historias relationship makes the most sense
@Goldmetal Alchesmith Yes it does
@Goldmetal Alchesmith it was said that Eren tried experimenting on touching Historia's hand and nothing happened, the memories don't always come when he touches her
@@justsomeguywithamask9530 what chapter was this stated from again? /lh
@@rkssk17 i think it was chapter 71, might check again
Guys both eremika and erehisu are canon
Historia: “I don’t care if humanity gets wiped out by titans, I don’t care if they make me an enemy of the world” she literally has the same philosophy at heart as eren. She would sacrifice the whole world to see the people she cares about live on and be happy. Not to mention she’s the only one of our main group that eren told his plan to and gives her an option to have her memories of it wiped or not. He doesn’t give anyone else that choice but her
Tbh I'm not a shiper, but after the last chapter, Historia and the baby became completely irrelevant to the story. Even in s3 manga, Eren had more moments and screentime with Historia instead of Mikasa.
Just 1 season?
Isayama destroy everyone
Eremika=Destroy
Mikasa and jean=Destroy
Erehisu=Destroy
Connie and Sasha=Destroy
Levi and hanji:Destroy
Isayama destroy everything bruh 😂😂😂
@@noanything8993 Mikasa and jean ended up together didnt they?
@@aswadsyednaz3073 maybe
Wow where and when
If EH were canon, I swear, they would be one of the best(-written) couples ever
They could be the "Anakin and Padme done right" of AOT!
Yes they will but as a mikasa and eren ship I can’t accept that fact
Definitely would've been better than what we got with EreMika. Also, it would've elevated the arcs of both characters. It would've added a new personal layer to Eren's motivation for carrying out the Rumbling (protecting his child and giving them a chance to grow up in a world free of the cycle of hatred) and it would've allowed Historia to become the mother she never had (having a child solely because she wants to and choosing to have it with someone she loves as opposed to doing it with her childhood bully for no reason). It also would've nicely capped off multiple themes present throughout the story (surpassing the sins of the father and getting the children out of the forest). Instead, however, we got Eren crying over the thought of his adopted sister ending up with another man and Historia being both sidelined and character assassinated at the same time.
@@teamtx1578 👏👏 perfectly said. My hat's off
@@PedroLucas-mg5je Omg I'm not the only one who compares them to Anakin&Padma couple
"Children being the future"
"Being born into the world"
"Surpassing the father"
The fact that Eren + Historia represent these ideas and they perfectly parallel for each other.
Then Eren went on to kill her whole family, pretty sure Historia approved of killing innocent children and stepmother when only the father was corrupted 🙌.
@@michaeldesanta7746 yeah eren doesn't make sense too isayama ruined everything the shippers ruined everything
@@Valhir25 Eren's character barely makes sense anyway, he already said he didn't know what he was doing because the power of the Founding Titan messed up his thoughts(all timelines happened at the same time in the paths). And yeah, "shippers" ruined the series, not just a group of shippers by the way, shippers in general.
@@michaeldesanta7746 yeah I really didn't care who he ends with and even if the ending was different ı am still okay with eren dying
Why are they killing innocent children if they are the future?
Eren’s reaction to zeke ordering ymir to go on with his plan at the end of ch 121, him being terrified to the point of ripping his thumbs off the cuffs to stop her from (euthanizing) eldian children + in ch 134 the first page is historia giving birth in the middle of the rumbling then ending the same chapter with armin asking: “I’ll ask you one last time... what PART OF YOU is free?” these were leading to something else, something actually makes sense narratively, something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ending we got. and i’ll die on this hill.
I wish I could sit with Isayama and ask him what his real ending was and wtf did he change it to this shit we got. I’ll give money to have this chance
@@rawanswan521 still can’t believe he admitted looking online for fans’ theories like :/// you’ve been writing this story perfectly fine for the past 10 years i’m sure you had some logical ending that tie the story together and answer the questions well, but nope plot holes everywhere. and this is not for the sake of a ship becoming canon or not. I just can’t understand what’s all that build-ups for?
@@ra-vi2md i know. He was writing just fine I don’t know what’s gotten into his head. I still believe he was forced to change the ending. Maybe the japanese audience can’t handle dark endings like the western audience. I wanted to rewatch the show before 139 to grasp all the epicness and to tie all the loose ends but now rewatching feels painful for me. Everything was destroyed 🤦🏻♀️
@@rawanswan521 yeah i’m sure the audience and the editor had a large impact on his way of handling it. I wish it was a seinen manga, it really felt like one for the good majority of it ngl. I actually did reread the manga in march cuz i’ve already felt disappointed with the final arc even before the last chapters and my god the inconsistency of it was crystal clear. but still it got me excited for part 2 to watch ch 121-130-131 animated these are peak fr. it’s a shame i can’t enjoy them the same way i did anymore :(
@@ra-vi2md I totally agree. Chapter 134 is great too especially if you watch the version by DrakoXD. It brought shivers down my spine watching it. AOT is not just an anime/manga to me. I loved it so much, I recommend it to everyone especially those who don’t watch anime. Whenever I see their investment and excitement in it, I’d feel proud like I was the author. I really wanted this to be a masterpiece and it definitely was going down this road but.. i don’t know what to say anymore. The disappointment is unreal. I’ll never hype an unfinished work again ever
They absolutely were and no one can convince me otherwise. We were robbed 😭😭😭
Even tho historia barely got screen time in season 4 she is still way better than mikasa
Exactly she deserved more.
Exactly
Obviously, Isayama's bad writing
😂😂😂
No
I've always wished that the manga was finished wayyyyy before the series blew up. AoT is like Icarus. The series flies too close to the sun. At the end, the pressure to satisfy the biggest fandom is way too much and both Isayama and Kodansha are sell out.
Its succession was it's downfall
@@thatoneblackdude3333 such true words damn
@@Sen5325 ikr but instead what we got was just another typical shonen anime with nothing special about its ending, even the people who somehow "like" the ending, I bet you, they will stop talking about AoT after some time and move on to another series, because the ending is so meh.
@@I_know_u_are_here Agree!
@@Sen5325 Agree! It's still hard to believe the influence of 14 yo fanboys might dictated AoT. Berserk for me is definitely the GOAT. Now, I am really worried about Vinland Saga.
Here are some Erehisu parallels, similarities, and things making them opposite:
1) last Carla's words to Eren: "live on!" - last Alma's words to Historia: "if only you have never been born"
2) Eren: kidnapped in season 1 by Annie - Historia: kidnapped in ova by criminals (Eren is the only one who wants to save her)
3) Eren: kidnapped by Reiner in season 2 - Historia: kidnapped by Ymir in season 2
4) Eren's words touch Zeke - Historia's words touch Frieda
5) Grisha talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect Eldia, Dina tears up - Eren talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect the island's children, then historia tears up too (a Yaeger and a Ymir Fritz's descendant)
6) Zeke touches Eren's forehead to show some memories - Frieda touches Historia's forehead to erase her memories
7) both are kidnapped by Rod in season 3
8) their fathers are killed with their own hands
9) Eren claims that he has the right to be born into this world - Historia thinks she doesn't deserve to live
10) their fathers want them to turn into titans
11) Falco tells Eren he doesn't want the girl he likes to become a shifter - Eren tells Historia he doesn't want her to become a shifter
12) mothers are killed in front of Eren's and Historia's eyes
13) he is a demon - she is the worst girl
14) Eren and Historia switch places when he wants to be eaten and she wants to live her life
15) both mention destroying the whole world (Eren during the fight with Annie, Historia in the cave)
16) both formed their worldview / goals / personalities from books
17) both have those who want to protect them and love them (Mikasa and Ymir)
18) they were named after another person (Eren: Kruger - Krista: a girl from a book)
19) he has the power of the founding titan - she has royal blood (together they are a clue to saving the island)
20) both have an elder half-brother and a half-sister (on the father's side) loving them and caring about them in their own way
21) the name Crista is a symbol of Historia's desire to be accepted by others and gain their admiration - Eren calls himself Kruger to be accepted by enemies and gain their trust
22) both wake up and say they saw a dream but don't remember what it was about
And the cherry on the top:
23) Historia hit Levi who hit Eren🤭
Also, the endings with erehisu where he's imprisoned in the cage and she's drowning have so many similarities. There's a video in TH-cam comparing these 2 songs
+ it's too strange AOT prequel had the main couple of a simple brown-haired boy and a girl-aristocrat with blond hair
THE WRITING IS ON THE PAGES‼️ you can’t deny Isayama knew what he was doing with EH
@@IgboKing I know Isayama admitted himself he failed writing the final we got. The alliance, ymir and EM are his biggest mistake
Bro.. You did a goddamn PhD about them . 😶
@@mohak06 PhD? What's that? I'm not a native speaker
@@annett5 ahh it's just like you studied them thoroughly .. high level analysis. 🙂
I’m a Eremika shipper and that’s only because of the fanart . That being said, I can sit here and say Erehisu was a better option narratively wise and I don’t mind it. The chemistry and build up was there. They paralleled each other in a way Mikasa could never. And correct me if I’m wrong, but at one point Eren was willing to sacrifice his friends for Historia & Paradise, that should’ve told us all that we needed to know about Erehisu.
Eremika would’ve worked if their rxship had been building up, since the 1st arc. But because it wasn’t, it just really played out as unrequited love. And the thing is, there were opportunities where Eremika rxship could have had more, but Isayama didn’t do it. Instead those opportunities were wasted w/ Mikasa doing the most for Eren. I mean...sis couldn’t even get a thank you from this man. Like c’mon. But you’re right Erehisu should’ve been endgame.
Eren was willing to sacrifice Paradis and his friends for Historia? This is such a reach my bro 🤣. I thought EreHisu fans don't like simps, you sure made him sound like one with your statement.
You don't think Historia would be summoned into the battlefield if she was still a soldier?
And also Eren murdered Historia's entire family, let that sink in for a jiffy. You sure Historia approves of killing innocent children and her stepmother?
@@michaeldesanta7746 LOL what? I said he was willing sacrifice his friends for Historia AND Paradise. Not JUST Historia, c’mon now. And no she wouldn’t approve of Eren wiping out the world, she did have a conversation w/ him regarding that she didn’t think it was right. That being said I’m not a Erehisu shipper, I did say Erehisu NARRATIVELY wise was endgame. But I rather much preferred Eremika tbh.
@@teetheminx5096 We all know that isn't true, Eren was clearly doing it for Paradise and "all his friends". You all really romanticized chapter 130 too much, thinking they were talking about "love". And nope, if Eren really was the father of Historia's baby, he wouldn't say to Zeke that the reason he rejected Mikasa was because "he only had 4 years left to live". If Eren said that time was the problem he couldn't engage in a relationship, why would you think Eren would agree to start a family with someone? Ngl, you all make Eren sound like a stereotypical black father.
@@michaeldesanta7746 Nowhere did I specifically mention Historia child in my initial comment? And I mentioned Historia because she is the current head of Paradise, that’s why I included her. However, I see what you’re saying. No need to exert your point as I’ve said already, I would’ve preferred Eremika anyways. But that last sentence tho, yikes that was a reach.
@@teetheminx5096 A reference to Eren's short lifespan. Eren already said time was his problem, so he said "you can go eat yourself Mikasa". But people still believe Eren would start a family with Historia? It just doesn't add up.
People legit want Historia's baby to grow up without a father 😂, not a reach, just describing some people's imagination.
Eren x historia has so much potential to make a great ending, sad it just gone to waste..
Lost girl ova, Eren's death was already foreshadowed there.
@@michaeldesanta7746 that was Mikasa's death not Eren's
@@anon9060 You want to re-watch that?
Exactly it is so good that it had no relevance in the final chapter LOL
@@carodemierd4 Because of EreMika
it's incredible how a girl who was just a side character in s1 got more development than f*cking Mikasa who was main character since season f*cking 1
dammit man, watching those few clips back reminds me of how good this show was, and how depressing it is that it had to end this way.. seriously disappointing
Read better manga watch better anime they are out there, watch Fullmetal Alchemist and Gurren Lagann.
EreMika shippers will always think that we came up with such idea because our ship wasn't canon. Not understanding that this is not about shipping coming true or not, AOT isn't a romance anime. The reason why so many theories revolve around Eren and Historis is not because of some shipping romance plot. Rather, it is because the "Eren being Historia's baby father" plot was Isayama's originally intended ending. So many things about them was setup which is why there are so many thing to talk about and with chapter 139 as it is now, so many thing didn't make sense. And of course it wouldn't make sense, the ending was changed last minute, even Isayama admitted he change it last-minute. Isayama only change it at the end because too many people already knew what he was going to do and he wanted to satisfy the EreMika shippers since many people in the fandom shipped those two.
Fax like i hate that aot is stupid romance show now like wtf taht panel was cringe
@@megalord2598 Yeah, the Eren screaming he love Mikasa scene was out of nowhere and was so cringe. I cringed so hard I thought could die 🤣
@@sora2541 well floch is now my real mc in aot😂
@@sora2541 or levi lol
Spitting facts
Im actually like EreMika back in 2015 when im being a normal weeb that actually like the kind of character who have no fucking personality and just love you.
I've matured up and drop that shit.
They were cannon but just the way they were retconned like historia being parralled to Ymir .the goals and themes too. Surpassing his he sons of your father Keeping thr children out of the forest . Freedom . Not burdening children ..and mikisa shitty character was meant too move on from eren completely and live a life for herself but ofc that was retconned
No offense but Mikasa is such an overrated character. She is one of the most one dimensional characters I've ever seen, but Mikasa simps like her just because she is cute and most importantly, a badass female fighter. And yeah that's all about it. She is too unhealthily obsessed with Eren and doesn't have characterisation of her own. But people only care about bad-ass characters who can give them good action scenes.
@@rickchakraborty2087 I kind of agree
@@rickchakraborty2087 I really agree with you. I just wish her development didn't get thrown out this arc. I thought she learned something from Louise but nope........she stayed exactly the same........
@@rickchakraborty2087 won’t offend me she’s a shit character just strong that’s it
@@hiroshiramasendjews9539 omg don't get me started on Louise. So much wasted potential with that subplot. And honestly, this was my first major red flag that Isayama might drop the ball on certain things...
The king graces us with his presence yet again
6:49 Holy shit, looking back at this line here from Historia, we see that not only does Historia support Eren's idea of The Rumbling (foreshadowing), she literally calls herself "the worst girl" whoever lived/in the world, which is what Eren calls her again (quoting what she said to him) during that talk they have together on the farm during the timeskip. Further evidence connecting these two and proving that they were meant to end up together.
Yeah. She literally said “who cares about humanity, let the Titans eat them” or something along those lines in the manga. Foreshadowing that was never put to use… Isayama what a man you are
People didn't understand that Historia were the one who where supposed to be sacrifice for the sake of Eldia but Eren avoided that at all cost, so he decided to sacrifice himself for her instead, that in my eyes is canon.
And also he didn’t want to give his titan to any of his friends. It’s not about love. It’s about Eren wanting to save his FRIENDS
isayama said eren, historia and armin were necessary to the plot yet eren is barely seen in the final arc and dies a pathetic death achieving nothing, historia's pregnancy plot dropped without any explanation, and armin is totally useless after the timeskip and only wants to talk about relationships
I really hate how he killed of Hange for nothing. She literally died JUST so Armin could be commander. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN JEAN NOT HIM!!! HORSEFACE WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT COMMANDER!!!! Sorry......lm just still really salty about that.
In the uprising arc, this argument is old
@@leonardomatos6381 "see you later eren" is even older, yet he didn't forget about it. your argument is shit because up until the final chapter isayama never contradicted himself and always delivered on his words and foreshadowings. he never left things unfinished like he did with the ending. something must have happened bts that made isayama change his ending and rush to finish the story.
Yall forgotten that the only reason he gave Historia a role was because he was bored while drawing her. Historia was originally a moe character before becoming a plot device thanks to of her royal blood... "Armin Eren and Historia were necessary for the plot" Okay. But you're just forgetting that Mikasa was the plot and the centerpiece of the story 😂
@@britany002 oh great. A Mikasa fan bringing up the bullshit that is chapter 139 and not thinking about the fact that Mikasa bring the main character wasn't foreshadowed at all and is bad writing....EM shipper to l take it?
They have literally made historia disappear from the attack on titan, as if she wasn't important in the story. If you look at any artwork that is released by hajime isayama nowadays, there is not even a single artwork that contains historia. All other important characters are there but historia, NO. As if they are telling us that historia was not in the story or she wasn't important in the story. She was fucking queen of paradise man!!
it was also revealed that eren started to act strangely 10 months ago which is the length of a pregnancy in japan. and levi thought she'll give birth in a few months when in fact she was already in labor, which means historia lied about her pregnancy date.
also, the MPs specifically mentioned she didn't marry the farmer, yet apparently she changed her mind and married him sometime after the rumbling, which raises further questions.
and what was the point of reinforcing the parallel between her and ymir in 122 or showing her giving birth during the rumbling if it wasn't to establish her relevancy to the plot?? EHY were narratively connected to each other but then isayama replaced historia with mikasa and the narrative completely fell apart.
She gives birth when Eren dies because Eren's future memories go as far as he dies. And it's said way before that if a Titan dies without passing the power, it is assumed by the first newborn Eldian
And on top of that apparently editors revealed that a certain character had two different options. We can only speculate that that is Eren either having the story make sense and ending up with Historia or having it not make much sense and pleasing to the eremika fans
They want even give us details about the other possible endings - The cowards
@@shubhsaxena8745 because it makes sense narratively.
@@shubhsaxena8745 yeah I'm fine with eren dying. I doubt anyone has a problem with eren dying at the end of the story. People's issues are that he died for nothing, the scouts died for nothing, eren being the baby logically made sense along with completing the Rumbling 100%. All this was foreshadowed and was supposed to be happen but was change last minute. That's my personal issue with the ending.
@@shubhsaxena8745 there's a chance eren would've killed them as well with the Rumbling.
@@shubhsaxena8745 yeah I get u. Yeah it was obvious but it still would've been solid. George R. Martin said it himself and I'm paraphrasing but he said even if the reader knows the Butler did it before its revealed doesn't mean u should change the direction just to shook the audience
It has to be because of the marketing that the eremika fandom brought up that forced the story to be altered so that more merchandises could be sold even though it contradicted the original story
@Just a Mangaka of a Overrated Manga gotta secure the bag 💰💰💰
@@carodemierd4 hoaaaaaam 😷
I haven't even seen the video yet but I agree! EreHisu was completely endgame!
It just made so much sense plot and theme wise
Always been
It’s not
@@suhaimisaripuddin4282 Eremika is still canon
@@nina-hj3gh explain to me why Eremika make sense to the themes and plot of the story.What kind of development that Mikasa shown in manga and anime?
"Ymir ymir" 😂😂
Eren's shock and panic when Zeke told founder Ymir to remove the subject's ability to reproduce is what convinced me. Why would Eren react like that when he already knows he'll get control of the founder eventually? He could easily change it back by then. Unless there was an immediate danger (aka his and Historia's child getting caught in the crossfire) it doesn't make sense.
Do you know why??Its because he wants all eldians to live happily and have the freedom they always seek..This is because zeke plan was to eradicate all the eldians slowly and having no new generatiom😂😂Not because of his panic about the allegedly "his baby with historia"
@@fathilhairudin4536 As I said, Eren could easily return Eldians ability to reproduce once he gets control of the founder, which would happen in an instant. Their freedom wouldn’t be disturbed at all. That’s why Eren’s panic makes no sense unless there was something he couldn’t save involved
@@emilylokman6274 he's panic because he thought ymir would've went through with zeke's plan instead of him and he will not be able to get control of the founder
@@fathilhairudin4536 He’s seen the future. He already knows he’ll get the founder. If not right then and there, he’d still get it very soon
@@emilylokman6274 the future he saw is what he did in the story😂😂That's why he's panicked because it might fuck up his plan if zeke managed to get control of the founder
With so much foreshadowing for EH and mystery surroundinging the baby's father, it's impossible that Isayama wasn't thinking about a different ending when he wrote those panels. Either he has plans for a sequel series where he will explain those moments or he simply retconned the last chapters to please Japanese fans. The latter is more likely obviously.
Definitely the latter, all they care about is money 🤑
There was no mystery. The father was revealed a chapter after her pregnancy was introduced
@@Cupcakecat58 🙄
EreHisu didn't become canon and you all said all this to make yourself feel better? Kind of pathetic ngl. Eren already said he couldn't respond to Mikasa's feelings to Zeke because he only had 4 years left to live at most, why would he want to have a family with someone else? Lmao.
And are we going to act like the identity of the baby father wasn't already mentioned early in the series?
@@michaeldesanta7746 shut up Michael, stop ur shipping wars already
Only Ymir knows why..., What a joke 😂😂😂
Ikr🤣
Isayama pandered to the EreMika fans, now deliver for the EreHisu fans Mappa!
hell yeah brother. we getting that AOE for damn sure they being too damn cryptic about chapter 123
That would be incredibly stupid bc most eremika fans watch the anime. And I’m 100% sure isayama made eren confess bc of the hate he’d get which is so unprofessional btw
Lmao we never stood a chance, AOE is most likely going to be terrible if it even happens.
I love seeing videos like this. Seriously, it was painfully obvious the direction Isayama was going, I just wish he didn’t change his mind halfway through :/ I still think mikasa is a one dimensional character and Historia is much better suited for Eren
pls just enjoy this vid without mentioning mika yall are so obsessed with her god
@@majestyzworld663 can i still reply to you a year later
I forgot how good was aot before the team tried to stop the rumbling...
Wow this is my 1st time hearing Frieda voice in English and it's music in my ears 😭
Yea the dub is good
If you're stuck in a situation where you need to have a baby, who would you choose?
- A random faceless farmer boi who bullying you when you was a child.
- Your closest male friend who actively protect you from any harm, the only one who understand you as you understand him. Have ten packs, shredded body.
It's clear as hell, lmao. Historia literally share similar view with Eren's idea of "being born into this world", she has much more parallel with him than Mikasa ever was.
The story has a significant drop in quality post timeskip, and EH was literally the only thread keeping it together. This retcon feels like a middle finger to anyone who followed the plotlines and paid attention to the details, and didn't just mindlessly watch the show for cool action scenes.
This video is awesome though. Subscribing and eager for more.
Not true
I still don't get how the final panel was grisha holding baby eren saying "you are free" even though he never was free. I don't blame people for thinking that was eren holding a baby in the final panel but oh well 👍
That shit was the most troll bullshit I've ever seen
The farmer being the father was supposed to be a red herring because they wanted to fool the military. If the farmer was really the father, why did Isayama even made the pregnancy such a big deal? And they say it's us the fans who made it a big deal, even though it was presented to us in such a way that it WAS supposed to be a big deal right? If one of our main characters is found to be pregnant, who would not think of it as a big deal? And now you are telling me that the pregnancy itself was a red herring, for what to fool the audience? Sorry but that's really awful writing.
Nah the baby in the final panel ROUGH DRAFT looks more like Historia then the baby we see now...........that was just plain bait from Isayama.
It looked like him from the get go, but it was the only proof you guys had so you had to roll w it
@@selinkorkmaz1019 it did look like grisha admittedly but in context it didn't make since for it to be him and it still doesn't make any sense for it to be him especially in the context of surpassing the father how in the hell did grisha surpass his father ?
I´m sure that Historia and Eren could have been naked in a bed and some fans will still say "tHEy Are OnlY gOOD FriENds" 😭
The last few chapters before 139 hinted at Eren being the father of Historia's child. If Isayama stayed consistent with what he built on both Eren and Historia, Eren's intention to get Historia pregnant was that for Ymir Ymir to be reborn into a free world and end her 2000 years of slavery. Otherwise, there was no point for Historia getting pregnant as Zeke's usefulness to Eren was only for activating the Rumbling.
There is no hint about ymir wanting to be reborn, it just your headcannon and the titanfolk theories, again, it was said a long time ago Who was the father, and in a story where no one, even the characters themselves questioned about the information, it shows that the farmer was indeed the father and people got upset about it
Ngl, as much as i love and ship EreMika, EreHisu would have made much more sense.
I get an uneasy feeling, whenever I think about the ending of aot!
I just don't understand how Isayama threw everything he hinted at and foreshaded in the garbage just like that!
It's interesting that Carla's last words for Eren were: Live on
And Alma's ones for Historia: If only you have never been born
You're right, this is interesting
lol who cares about the plot?who cares about the retcon? As long as my ship become canon, then the ending and plot story was perfect...YoU ALL JuSt MaD CuZ YoUr HeAdCaNoN DidN't CoMe TrUe StAy MaD 🤡
The sky is blue
According to Ishyama it's brown
According to EM tards its red because the scarf's colour is also red
And the grass is green.
just like armin's eyes
It also gives eren a better motivation to oppose his friends and complete the rumbling so he can ensure the future safety of his child. A much better ending is befor mikasa kills eren they are taken to the paths and eren says "take care of them for me"
So eren would kill his family (mikasa and armin) when he said that they are the most precious for him… this is dumb
@@leonardomatos6381 He literally let's his mother die and even admits he didn't know if Mikasa and Armin would survive what he was doing.
Oh god my heart is hurting so bad especially when the "zero eclipse" at 2:31 started 😭 I literally haven't watched any related vids with aot or historia or eren from ch 139 release and now I had finally the courage to watch this one .. Tbh I didn't want to watch vids because I knew the comment section would be full with haters and em :((
I really miss eh :((
this video is so well done! I'm gonna subscribe now and Historia is definitely the best female character.
And the song of historia is the best of powerfull
it's been almost 6 weeks since the ending, and I still can't believe how garbage it was. We had kino, history, classic being made right in front of our goddamn eyes, only for it to vanish into some hot garbage asspulls, this will forever be a lesson to all writers, no matter how good your story is, if you fall under pressure from your dogshit fandom opinions, then your whole story and hard work will collapse on it's own weight.
Isayama ruined his Magnum Opus, and he will always be remembered as the writer who you should avoid becoming.
Don’t care about ships. I just wanted Eren to destroy the world. Was that really too much to ask?
Based
I think the best choice to isayama is to make aot visual novel, because he can decide his own ending + story without force from fans plus visual novel is more longer than manga heck he even can make either eremika or erehisu route (if you familiar with vn you know what I mean about the route) it can be bad ending, normal ending or true ending
Nah isayama cool he dont want erehisu and eremika fight each other the only way is kill eren then done
I totally agree. Eren and Historia were lovers to the end. Actually, if you take everything that happened up until the very end, it is clear that 1. Eren did the rumbling primarily to save Historia. With titan powers they could have defended Paradis, but only the rumbling could save Histora from being used as a weapon. 2. It is very likley that Historias child is Erens child. This is super important, because it means that Eren did the rumbling, not only to save Historia, but to save his own child! So how can we explain the end we got? Actually it still fits in a way. When Eren talked to Armin, everything he said was a lie. Everything about loving Mikasa was a lie. Eren and Mikasa were just as brother and sisters. So why did he lie? If he had told the truth, it would have put Historia and his unborn child at risk. If Armin had slipped up and said to anyone that the real reason for the rumbling was to save Historia and her child, they would have become the most hated persons in the world. So Eren took the secret of his and Historias love with him to the grave.
I have voiced this opinion before but everyone yelled at me saying that Historia is a canon lesbian and that therefore there was never any evidence towards erenxhistoria.
Did you pull that out of your ass?
When did it ever say that Historia is canon lesbian?
No lie the more i go down the rabbit hole i just hate the ending even more
EreMika stans: Eren and Historia have no romantic chemistry.
Me: points to the Eren and Historia scenes.
IKR
EreMika was a nice ship, but throughout the whole series, Eren doesn't show feelings for Mikasa, until the last few chapters, so it doesn't make sense. Eren and Historia would be a more Canon ship because both of them got the same thing going on in their lives, one wishes to be free, one wishes to be loved. They both talked about all those things passionately. Mikasa on the other hand was just coming around to want to save Eren, the one she loves. But even so, does that mean Eren will give back the same feeling? In chapter 138, I thought at some point, Eren would say something like he couldn't love Mikasa because he loved Historia and to forget about him. But no. So yeah, I was a bit disappointed that Eren and Historia was not a thing.
Lol, eren never showed any interest about história, u must not have read the manga in the timeskip, mikasa was the person who balanced eren the most, it’s always about her that he shows vulnerability, it was hinted that their relation would be the focal point in the end
Bro no, 1. Historia loves ymir and 2. Eren showed that he loves mikasa and isayama wanted to make eren and mikasa Kiss but he was too shy to draw it
Eren never loves mikasa and historia.
Showme one panel before the 139 crap where eren was nice o touch mikasa.
In facts are more scenes whit eren and historia chating in the whole anime.
@@leonardomatos6381 LOL Eren likes history, during an interview with Eren's favorite type of woman, Eren replies that it's history or Annie doesn't have Mikasa Dear. Eren just thought that Mikasa was his mother. Eren thinks history is special for him, because it symbolizes freedom and.save him. different from Mikasa like a dog just following its master
@@Hbb1n he wasn't shy to show cruel deaths but was shy to draw a kiss? Common, it's his excuse for em fans and fanservice. Moreover, he made her kiss Eren's head CUT OFF
It's pretty obvious historia loves him but then isiyama gives Chapter 139 and make him simp for mikasa 😐.
I believe that Isayama wanted originally to demonstrate in his story the difference between healthy romance relationship and toxic obsession, Mikasa was blindly obsessed with Eren to the level of being annoying, Eren told her in S1 that he isn't her little boy or brother before scarring her in his second transformation, as for Historia Eren described her as a normal girl that's pretty much tells the huge difference between obsessed abnormal Mikasa and normal Historia, later Isayama stated that he changed the ending to avoid a traumatic conclusion similar to the movie the mist, he was originally planning for horrible events like Mikasa being shocked with Eren's love for Historia and the baby is his and according to some theories like AnR ending Eren was even going to kill his friends who stood in his way including Mikasa for Historia and his child, of course this is going to be cruel and shocking for the audience and would signal a tragic end for Mikasa but it would be very dope and sensible with the story with great arc and meaning, 139 was a last minute change without any sort of build up or preparation not only that it retconned the entire storyline rendering previous scenes completely useless dropping the series for me to 0/10, and shipped Eren and Mikasa on toxic relationship where Eren wishes for Mikasa to live and die lonely thinking only of him really disgusting, only a stupid writer would compromise the themes and identity of his story to deliver fan fantasies that make zero sense.
You all really want Eren to be Historia's baby father so badly 😂. Eren even refused to accept Mikasa's affection because he said he only had 4 years left(To Zeke in their conversation) but people believe Eren would want to have a child witho someone.... So his child has to become a titan shifter when he dies in 4 years(meaning his child will inherit his titan at age of 4)... Truly destroying the meaning of "living long lives".
@@michaeldesanta7746 well the story also assassinates it, in the end we see how Paradise gets destroyed as we can see in the 8 extra pages, I believe that there is a way for Eren's child to inherit his titan powers but also break the 13 years Ymir's curse.
@@yousefsaber1 The only thing i like about the additional pages is Mikasa's decision to move on romantically speaking, other than that, i agree with you.
@@yousefsaber1 Don't worry, Eren has no children.
@@michaeldesanta7746 I'm talking about AnR ending theory and the possibility if the child was his.
I'm a Historia x Eren shipper, so I was very disappointed about the ending. But DO NOT worry my friend, with the latest leaks about the extra panels. Even if we, Historia x Eren shippers, have lost, at least the Mikasa x Eren shipper didn't win either 🤣🤣
EM technically “won” since they both loved each other in the end... but ok 👌
JeanKasa won, but who lost the most tho?
A. YumiHisu
B. EreHisu
C. EreMika
@@michaeldesanta7746 ? I am only talking about EM being confirmed
Eremika did win exactly they both hade feelings for each other, you just mad 🚶🏻♀️
@@gabrielle3810 No, JeanKasa wins, EreMika is the runner-up and EreHisu is not confirmed 😂. That's why EreHisu fans are so salty about this.
Rewatching AOT now is impossible because you think to yourself “what is the point of these arcs?” Only Ymir knows.
who doesnt people know already it was changed since 2020 lol. i dont think anyone denying it(especially since he said it himself before and recently now. Its nto even news). isayama had plans for that character. it is his favorite female character. his fav male i tihnk is reiner and he started liking a eren a little. but she had one the most development and growth as a character. she at least changed a bit and became herself. she also helped the main character and saved him mentally and emotionally. clearly Isayama spend time on her. but since ending was changed her place was needed for original ending. thats assuming isayama is not a terrible writer. but anyways the second ending I think was probably based on armin, eren and mikasa maybe the past. This third ending is eren looking like a simp and mikasa still obsessed with eren and not finding happiness, which isayama didnt want for her character to be defined by eren and follow him around and her happiness is based on him (oh the irony). Its clear for the any romance in anime Isayama when he changed the ending he didnt care he just make eren and mikasa last minute due to editor or for fan service(probably cause fans keep harassing them from what ive seen) not for story. He then tried to focus on the new themes of the story and main dialogues liek armin and eren etc. this is for the new ending trying to show and execute new themes. He did say he failed to put the new themes he wanted. He didnt have enough time to sit down and properly do it. although it will still be bad writing because it contradict past chapters, but at least the ymir love, only ymir knows, eren saying idk despite sayign why in past chapter wouldnt exist. although that will always contradict. So his story was going one way and changing it causes bad writing. He changed it too drastically, in a way he could address the themes and forced to retcon all characters. Which shows non of the characters has consistency or regressed or panels dont make sense.
Can u link me interview where he said he changed the OG ending in 2020.... It is normal for mangaka to change thing here and there...only thing he changed was last panel from three people running toward tree hill to mikasa after discussing with editor... Only thing he regret was Armin- eren convo execution and said he could have execute it better( only arc he regretted was uprising arc and had massive disappointment with it )....people should read interview directly translated from japanese source instead of leak which translate from japan to chinese to english
If the child really isn't Eren's given the million hints in the manga and anime that it is, then Isayama with all due respect but... what the fuck
There were no hints about it, the post chapter that historia was pregnant, it was said Who the father was, there were never a mystery about it
@@leonardomatos6381 it was specifically emphasized that she didn't marry the farmer. The due date that Levi gave ended up being wrong. Historia looked depressed af around her "baby daddy"...and her asking Eren what did he think about her having a baby with this random, are you serious rn?
@@marcy9125 that’s why i said what i said, about marrying him, it’s not a big deal, they married later; levi wasnt talking exactly, he said especically about time, there were a couple months, meaning some time intuo then, he didnt know for sure , no one knows either; and her being upset, it was obvious, she was feeling guilt, she knew about the rumbling, so she was extremally sad and she said about her having a baby, not us
@@leonardomatos6381 the golden rule of writing...if something is not important, you don't mention it, simple as that. All of the things I listed just look suspicious, and if they were always supposed to be unimportant, then there was no need for them in the manga. The end result is that a huge portion of the fans (me included) interpreted it as red herring - and if such a big group collectively mIsUnDeRsTaNdS the work, then the author made some crucial mistakes when it comes to writing/storytelling.
@@leonardomatos6381 still, why did she ask him though? The convo ended on "so what do you think about me having a baby"...when literally all Eren was talking about before that line was how he wouldn't let Historia go through with Zeke's plan. There's no logic here.
thanks for touching this topic. So sick of these immature Eremika fans yelling nonsense and calling Erehisu a crack ship
Could've made sense, Eren secretly impregnate Historia and Ymir, the founder could be born free as Historia's baby, also she could've named the baby Ymir, after her friend, made perfect sense to me
Same
Eren even told Zeke that he intentionally pushed Mikasa away because he only had 4 years left to live at most but you all think he would want to have a family with someone else? Lol
@@michaeldesanta7746 *"And here we see, another living organism who doesn't have common sense to understand the point between people being angry about the ending because of their favorite ship sink or being angry because of the author's bad writing"* - Me
Hey man, if u spam the same comment when u can't think of a comeback.
Then i will spam this too. :)
Are you sure Her and Ymir were just “friends” bud?
I personally think that Eren and Historia made the most sense to me... I mean, the way they talk to each other feels kind of different, it's not the type of relationship friends would have, the AnR clip technically showed Eren with a family and his wife couldn't be Mikasa since she would be dead if Eren was alive, after all, she tried to stop the rumbling and I find Mikasa to be an extremely obsessive and bland character. No personality, just pure obsession with Eren as she was acting like a slave towards him. I like Historia and Eren, they are well-developed characters so I like them better
Eren and historia has a similar relationship that eren has with armin, but less deep. That's why it would never worked as a romance, eren nor história never showed any interest with each other, that's why it's so delusional
@@leonardomatos6381 I would actually agree with you if I only watched the anime. WIT removed a lot of dialogue between Eren and Historia and they even changed the places they were talking to (First their conversation was on a bedroom, then it was on a kitchen)
And the worst part is that Eremin genuinely makes a lot more sense than both of these on the anime. Lmao
@@jeffpenus9201 i did both and like i said, thir relationship is much more like eren had with armin, a friendship, nothing more
@@jeffpenus9201 They're just friends who understands each other I don't see anything that could be romantic there.
It would have made a lot of sense in the manga! Looks like Yams regreted this romance way before the ending because in the anime many Eren x Historia moments were toned down or removed entirely
Eren inner dialogue if the story was realistic. EMA conversation, Mikasa’s delusions:
"No. You're being controlled." Mikasa states. Eren couldn't help but feel sorry for her. She could never truly understand him. She never understood him for who he is. That day when she ratted him out to his parents for wanting to join the Survey Corps, she never cared about his dreams. She only wanted to keep him safe even if she had to keep him behind the walls, under the containment of his mother. That day at the training camp when he got the hang of the training gear. He wanted her to not worry about him anymore, to be confident in his abilities. But she only believed that he wanted to be even more attached to her. She didn't believe in him. She was willing to follow him to the fields if he failed, she didn't care if he had passed or not. She never cared about his independence.
This is what Erens inner dialogue should have been in my opinion. If there is enjoyment for this I will do more.
Oh wow, this is extremely insightful writing! It highlights the core of EM's actual dynamic in an honest and creative way. The blindly romanticized interpretations I usually see don't do Eren and Mikasa's relationship any favors. She's more in love with her own internalized IDEA of Eren, rather than the actual man and his personal ambitions. That's why I truly believe Mikasa having to gradually detach herself from her one-sided Eren obsession would have been the most satisfying endgame development for BOTH of those characters.
So by all means PLEASE do more write-ups like this!
@@loco_logic Your comment is an accurate summary of my feelings for their relationship. Thanks for enjoying my interpretation of Eren and his inner thoughts.
THIS
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I ship EM, and this is very true. Eren wanted her to think he could be independent and believe that he could accomplish his goals.
If the leaks are true.,we will laugh together 😂😂😂
Yea…the 8 additional pages just made the ending worst.
>eren dies for nothing
>mikasa x Jean 🗿🤯
Lol
And some people will say "You don understand the interview" 🤡🤡🤡
Mikasa x Jean was not confirmed tho,but you can say everything else was right.
Too bad the ending was a dissapointment. Overall the story felt very promising.