Sony APS-C Wide-Angle Lens Review
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- Sony APS-C Wide-Angle Lens Review
In this lens review Mark takes a closer look at the following three wide-angle APS-C lenses
E 11mm F1.8
E 15mm F1.4 G
E PZ 10-20 F4 G
Ultra HD Image Gallery: flic.kr/s/aHBqjzRDYH
Power Zoom Demo Clip: • FE PZ 16-35 F4 G Zoom ...
00:00 Start
00:12 Overview of Sony's APS-C lenses prior to 2022
01:22 New APS-C Camera - a Wishlist
03:16 Why APS-C still makes sense in 2022
05:31 Overview of the new Wide-Angle Lenses
10:22 E PZ 10-20 F4 G
18:43 Fast Primes
24: 34 E 15mm F1.4 G
35:07 15mm or 11mm?
38:28 E 11mm F1.8
47:04 12 or 14-bit Raw files?
51:22 Not everyone is a vlogger
53:11 Patreon Support
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I love my a6700+11mm sony ❤ APSC is still alive. I have a7rv a second body a6700. Great AF, great image quality, great video. An amazing combo for travelers and hikers.
I think these three lenses were released so the 'yet-to-be-released' FX-30 would have access to premium-quality wide-angle lenses. The 11mm is, however, a significant lens in Sony's APS-C lens lineup for A6700 users and also Full-Frame users wanting a light and portable landscape lens to shoot in APS-C mode. I have used it when travelling light with my A7RV to India.
The best part of this video is"not everybody is a blogger". Thank God someone says that! Great video 👏🏻👏🏻
Wow this video is great! Thank you for making this. I’ve been using the a6500 for years and I’m glad more crop lenses are coming. I appreciate the amount of time you spent on making this. Very detailed.
Glad it was helpful!
This review has massive amount of useful information. You are generous and sincere with sharing your knowledge. Thank you for your time and effort.
Glad it was helpful!
Great stuff!
I'm only 6 minutes in, but yours is already the ONLY video at launch that even compared the size of the 15mm and the 20mm G.
Glad it was helpful! I actively use an A1 Full-Frame system with heavier GM lenses, a compact A7C system with compact full-frame lenses and an APS-C system with a mixture of full-frame and APS-C lenses. Size comparison between systems is an important part of my workflow - especially when I will be carrying my choice around all day.
And that reminded to me how better the design of that 20mm was indeed. IDK why Sony decided to shrink the space between the aperture ring and the focusing recently. Even though the sizes are more compact but still manageable to have a proper distance to prevent unwanted changes to either of them. Focus hold button should be placed in between.
Exactly!!
Always great reviews. I'll try to get out and use my wide angle gear for some great shots!
I know when Sony send me an ultra-wide angle lens to review I am going to have to work a little harder to find the good locations that will let the wide angle of view shine. it's all about how close I can get to interesting stiff in the foreground. Deadman's beach for the 11mm was a great location for this - just had to try to keep the camera above the water ;-)
… great als always, Mark. 👍🏻
Many thanks!
So much good information. Thanks Mark
Glad it was helpful!
I'm a A6500 user looking for a suitable wide angle lens for a while. Most of the reviews in my country focus on video's performance for vlogger, but as you said not everyone is a vlogger! So your review that provides sample photos really helps me a lot, thanks Mark!
Glad I could help 👍
Wow your list of the wishes for the coming apsc body made me so excited Mark! Telling me it's finally coming soon! They were all nice but honestly we do need even more as the competition is leveling up with the newly released Canon apsc cameras. Over 20fps should be a must and also dual card slot on addition to a significantly better ibis. And why don't we have a real contender like Fuji HS2 and HS2s? Apsc is the way to go for sports and wildlife. Sony should not resist anymore. We do need a bunch of longer focal and tele primes and tele zoom too. The 3 years gap between the new apsc lens release was too underwhelming, wish they were releasing 1 every year at least.... Hopefully we get the new apsc bodies this year with a couple of GM level apsc lenses. Apsc needs a pro level body!
I have my fingers crossed that one day I can retire my FE 200-600 G lens. I would like to see another tel zoom the same weight as the 70-350 but with an f/4 aperture. If they could only do a 70-200 with an optional 1.4 Teleconverter I would think it would be a valuable addition to the APS-C lens lineup. I would also like to see 4 more f/1.4 primes (24, 35, 55 and 85).
Another good, and useful review. If we’re asking for features on a future APS-C body, I would like to add 1) Bird Eye AF, 2) 15-20 fps, 3) focus bracketing, 4) ~30MP sensor, 5) fast sensor readout to reduce tearing, and maybe 5) more programmable buttons.
Thanks for sharing!
Excelet man, thnx you a lot for this spectacular video ;)
My pleasure!
I'm excited with that "Awesome Eight" Mark. I hope Sony will implement it. Thanks, great content as always!
Fingers crossed!
Great video Mark.
Thanks 👍
Thanks Mark, another excellent review clearly highlighting the potential in APS-C. These new lenses look superb. I started my Sony journey with the a6500 before eventually gravitating to full frame ... a7r3, a9, a7r4 and now down to just one a7iv body. I'm already spoilt for choice owning 12 Sony lenses. I retained my first 16-70mm f4 Zeiss for occasional crop use on full frame and against possibility of a superb new APS-C body. Maybe these new lenses with a FX30 body might make a great video combo, albeit compromised for stills given no shutter.
As a long term stills photographer I'm trying to gain cinematographer credentials, so my a7iv was a natural compromise, but I do miss my a9 for sports. Maybe I have to splurge on an a1, but really want the 2D flippy screen on the new a7rv. I like compact so could eventually see me adding a really great APS-C too, not to replace full frame but to augment, when wanting smaller lighter less hefty optics.
Probably off topic for APS-C, but I have a love/hate relationship with my GM zoom 16-35mm f2.8 as a for instance and was anyway thinking of switching that out for a PZ 16-35 given I also use G/GM primes in 14, 20, 24 and 35mm all full frame.
Smaller lighter is IMO the way to go so kudos to Sony for matching or bettering Canon and Nikon in compact ff glass and nimble bodies. I used to swear by my old Nikons F4 and F5 back in the day, but tech moves onwards and upwards so I went Sony 4 years ago and didn't look back. New mkii glass for GMs 24-70 and 70-200mm proved to be the best and lightest in class demonstrating how Sony is just killing it nowadays. Same with ff primes which I love. Can't wait to see what Sony can engineer to make the world's best APS-C eco system. Heck it's probably the best now anyway, but still has so much more potential.
Hoping to see a new APS-C camera - the new sensor in the FX30 looks promising if Sony match it to a new stills camera
thanks for the review of these very intriguing lenses, if I may add a couple of wishes for a new body is to have the panorama mode, which I use a lot, and possibly a built-in flash, maybe with some innovation which makes it orientable….
Thanks for sharing
Awesome information
Thanks for your positive feedback
Very nice detailed and well presented review. The 11 f1.8 is on my list of primes to get.
Sony has done really really well in recent years, especially for enthusiasts who still want to experiment with high quality gear despite non-pro budget.
I’ve made the jump into the system recently specifically for the amazing 70-350. What a lens!
I’m looking forward to the next apsc body though. I love my cute yet very well specd zv-e10.
I will need an evf and similar ergonomics to the full frame bodies (especially a front dial). And coming from Canon, it’s a bit weird not to have a proper touchscreen.
I am big advocate of the APS-C system so hope we see a new APS-C body soon.
You have the best youtube channel about sony gear and photography! You know your subject very well i really enjoy watching your videos. Great comparison of all the small compact lens for APS-C. Im going to chose between the 15mm f1.4 and the Sigma 10-18mm f2.8 it is a hard choice, do i really need the extra f1.4 ummm? lol I want the lightest lens possible but with a good or decent aperture for travel, landscape and street photography with occasional portrait and im only bringing 1 lens with me im not sure what is the best. It is hard to take portrait with wide angle lens but i have no choice if i only want to bring 1 lens with me.
Thanks for your input. I have a Lens Choice video on my TH-cam channel and I have outlined the APS-C lens options in my A6700 camera review. I also have additional support on my Patreon.com/markgaler Alpha support channel
Thanks for your videos and great books. 👍 I have a question regarding max corner sharpness once closed down. Is the 10-20mm sharper than the 15mm ? Some say yes and others, no.
Not one that anyone would really notice unless you are zoomed to 100% and looking in the extreme corners - something that nobody else will notice as only Flickr pro supports 6K and allows viewers to zoom in. I supplied a link to a gallery of ultra high-definition images captured with these lenses in the Info section below the video.
So here is a question, as a Sony A7IV user and looking to add an FX30, what's the decision making process between this 10-20 and the FE PZ 16-35? Both F4 and essentially the same focal range on an A7IV?
The 10-20 is equivalent to 15-30 on an APS-C camera (FX30_. The 16-35 is equivalent to 24-52.5 on an APS-C camera (FX30).
Great info, thanks. Gee, Australia?
Sounds like you are contemplating a trip down under :-)
According to you sony 11 is good for low light ? Thanks for Your wonderful review !
Yes, definitely
Mark, Excellent video as usual. No mention if any of the new lenses have image stabilization. I have an A6400 which doesn't have IBS. Thanks
Hey Ed Kight, no OSS on these 3 new wide angle lenses. I usually just bump up my shutter speed to make up for the no OSS on some lenses. I too have the 6400 and love the apc! Cheers from Vancouver, British Columbia Canada.
@@williamdavidson1490 Thanks. That's what I do when using my Alpha mount lenses on my 6400. Too bad that feature was left off.
I did mention no OSS in the video, primarily when discussing how the 10-20 differs from the 10-18 but this probably got buried in the rest of the information which goes for nearly an hour. There was a lot of ground to cover in this video.
Been an armature photographer for a long time and seldom seen this amount of information in one video!
Thanks for the positive feedback. I usually spend more time shooting with the lenses than most reviewers have the time for.
Hi I am using a Sony ZV-E10 camera with the kits lens of 16-50mm and 55-210mm. How can I get super awesome photos or videos and what setting should I put on the camera to get that? What lens from Sony do you recommend to buy to achieve that?
The E 11mm F1.8 is the perfect vlogging lens and I recommend stabbing the clips using Catalyst browser instead of Active SteadyShot in camera. I provide a vlogging seminar/guide on Patreon.com/markgaler
Thank you for the very thorough video with a lot of valuable insights.
To me the one area where full frame shines is wide angle lens. In general they tend to have less distortion and vignetting. While this isn’t an issue for portraits and vlogging (the stuff most TH-cam creators are interested in and vocal about), it is quite a big problem for architecture, interior and real estate photography. Correcting distortion and vignetting always result in noisier, softer corners with stretched pixels.
Sadly, a lot of the newer ff mirrorless lens are under designed in that way and rely on in body corrections. Canon is a great example of that. When looking at distortion charts, my old 17-40 (often regarded as the worst L lens) is miles ahead in these areas, even if it is not as sharp in general.
I would love to switch to apc-s for this type of work, as I don’t do it that often, but the quality just isn’t there and is getting worse.
I trust you check out the ultra high-definition examples that I shared on my Flickr pro account to accompany this review, and clicked to zoom in. I find the corner sharpness more than acceptable given the size, weight and cost savings of carrying these tiny lenses.
What would you recommend for an ultra wide mainly for landscape stills? I am considering: sony 10-20, tamron 11-20 and the sony 11. I think that I normally will stop down to f/8 to f/11, however it does indeed seem nice to have the ability to open wide for the low light shots. Also while I focus on stills, I think it would be fun to experiment more with video in the future. I have the Sigma 16 1.4, so not considering the sony 15.
My vote goes to the 11mm f/1.8.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Thank you for the reply! The sony 11 does indeed seem really nice!
Great overview. With Sony's full frame interests mainly being in the f1.4 primes rather than the f1.8/f2 primes, I think there's definitely room to introduce some more premium f1.4 aps-c primes. Photos look about the same as full frame f2 and clearly there's a size savings as well in the aps-c lenses. Always impressive how small Sony can make their lenses.
One of the ways Sony is able to make impressively small lenses is to rely on the camera's lens corrections or a lens profile to remove any distortion. I have noticed on the forums that some purists want this to be removed in the lens design. I personally want to own a lens that weighs 50% less if I can't tell if it was the lens design or the post-production editing that removed the distortion. Corner sharpness does not appear to impacted when it is removed in post so my vote is for the tiny lenses.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Absolutely. If the end result is sharp and the lens is compact then it's the best of both worlds.
FINALLY sony released a good aps-c lens (wide and fast). Waiting this since 2014.
Hope there are more to come
Great video. Would like to see this range in Full Frame. Do you have a presentation of this too?
Not sure what you are asking here. I do use these APS-C lenses on my A7lV and A7C when shooting movies.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills sorry beeing unclear. I like to see Full Frame Wide-Angle Lenses with a similar collection like 11mm, 15mm and 20mm with F1.4 or F1.8. Unfortunatelly I think these kind of lenses do not exist ;-)
We currently have Sony full-frame 20mm and 14mm f/1.8 primes and I have reviews both of these lenses on my channel.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills thanks, found the viedoe: th-cam.com/video/fmMwdXJVKAA/w-d-xo.html Awsome! What do you thing about the Sony FE 24mm f/2.8 Sony E for Video on a Gimbal?
I have a6500+16 55 mm f 2.8 and 35 mm f 1.8..i love to take the northern lights ,which lenses should i go for ,any advice.?
I have a Lens Choice video on my TH-cam channel and I offer personal support on my Patreon.com/markgaler support channel.
Does the rear element move during focus or zoom in the Sony E PZ 10-20mm F4 G lens?
Not sure how I could have checked that with the lens mounted on the camera.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills Mark, did you experience more sensor dust with the power zoom 10-20mm?
No - I have a careful workflow for making sure dust does not enter my camera.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills I noticed you take great sporting events near water. How do you avoid sand and dust in these areas?
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Thanks Mark, great video. My wishlist point would be stabilization that actually works, albeit some of electronic versions don’t do too badly (crop aside).
I don't think the stabilisation will ever work as well with the micro four thirds sensors (the ones found in Olympus bodies) but I can reliably hand-hold 1/4 second on these ultra wide-angle lenses. I suspect that a bigger SteadyShot cradle would mean a bigger body. I am OK with Sony's APS-C body being smaller that the Micro Four Thirds bodies so will vote for no change.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills a fair point…my use is more on the video side. Catalyst Browse one other option though.
Now we have light weight APS-C wide-angle lenses, which is great. But light weight APS-C telephoto lens is seriously lacking. I mean telephoto lens at around 300-350g. I hope that Sony will upgrade the 55-210mm soon.
I would like to see APS-C 85 and 135 primes as well as a lightweight telephoto zoom. These are not just missing from Sony's APS-C lens lineup but from all manufacturers.
These new lenses give me hope for Sony APS-C. I've been tempted by Fuji for a long time but if Sony will release a full set of primes similar to these as well as an affordable body with IBIS (like the Fuji X-S10) I'd be a very happy photographer (no I don't blog and rarely ever record videos).
Also, seeing the priorities in these lens designs - allowing some distortion to make them even smaller/lighter while still retaining very high IQ in all remaining areas - makes me think Sony finally gets the point of APS-C. I was disappointed when they - years ago - expressed the opinion that APS-C shooters could just get FF lenses.
I am one of the few Ambassadors who is a strong advocate for the APS-C system and will continue to advise Sony accordingly.
Nice
Thanks
Which these ultra wide angle lenses do you suggest for indoor real estate videography in a low light noisy situation with the Sony ZV-E10 camera ?
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1. Sony 11mm f.1/8
2. Samyang 12mm
3. Rokinon 12mm
4. Tamron 11-20mm
5. Viltrox 13mm F1.4
Sony 11
Did anyone make any wide or telephoto lense for sony A mount aps-c cameras?
I had the A100 and A700 A-Mount APS-C cameras and had a Zeiss designed 16-70 from memory (it was 16 years ago).
@@AlphaCreativeSkills ok thank you. Those aps-c a-mount lense seem to be a bit more hard to find.
Sony have not made an A-Mount camera for many years, so you may need to enquire with Sony in your country to see if a particular lens is still available to preorder.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills I found a 2 tamron on line a 10-24 and 17-50 so I'm going to try those. Shooting film since 77 I just purchased my first digital should be fun pluss looking forward to light room. Your videos and work have been incredible.
Thanks for responding it's appreciated.
Just need to add IBIS to the APSC wishlist, since a lot don't have it yet
The A6600 I am currently using does. I would expect Sony to save money by not fitting it to the entry level APS-C cameras but I would hope all future premium APS-C camera will have it.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills I bought the ZV-E10 and one of the features I would actually like on it would be IBIS since it is supposed to be a vlogging cam. Without IBIS you have to either use a gimbal or rely on OSS or active stabilization/catalyst bowse (which both crop). Walk and talk vlogging would require IBIS in my opinion. I don't think the next entry level APSC would need IBIS, but if they make another ZV-E10 style entry level (vlogging cam), specifically for that line, I think IBIS and some more weather sealing would be a must, at least for me. If they add that (and a slightly larger grip, maybe detachable accessory) they could easily raise the price to 999 and still be fine.
Sorry made loving aps c very hard with the a7c. I have the zve 10 and a7c. What I don’t like about aps c is the crop being that the a7c is very similar size, by the way the sony 20mm 1.8 is not big at all even attach to the zve 10
I love the 20mm f/1.8 G but it is big compared to the 11mm f/1.8
The Sony 15mm 1.4 G looks great, so now Sony need to make A7000/A9000 Cameras with 5.8/9.5 mega dots EVF´s and it will be very nice if Zeiss modernize the Sonnar 55mm 1.8 with aperture ring and AF/MF button.
I have my fingers crossed for a premium APS-C camera but I fear I will either be disappointed or have to wait a long time to see it.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills It must be now (this year) or never for a Sony Premium APSC Camera
IMO, you missed one big improvement most lower-end mirrorless cameras need: HIGHER EVF RESOLUTION!
2.35m "dots" is unacceptable. What's that, 0.9 mp? I'm surprised this is okay with most users.
Move up to 3.69m "dots" at least, please. (And "dots"... stupid way to make it sound impressive.)
Yes I agree - although an improved Finder would not change the quality of the files being captured it would be good if they could raise the resolution up to some of the Full frame cameras. I personally only use the Finder to frame my image so am not overly concerned about the resolution on a compact camera. If Sony, however, were to only see the APS-C sector as primarily for vloggers, we could see them remove the Finder completely, as we have seen with the ZV-E10. Tis would certainly not be a good move for those interested in APS_C cameras for stills.
Is the quality of the 10-18 very variable? One american TH-camr and a great fan of Sony APS-C, with 188k followers call it the worst lens Sony have ever released for E-mouth. Others like it a lot.
I always provide albums of ultra HD images with my reviews so viewers can make up their own minds.
It looks like at a point in time, there were bad ones made for a while.
Maybe so as it is not a G pr GM branded lens.
1:00 I believe Sony launched the Sony E 35mm F1.8 OSS in 2013.
That's more like a normal lens on an APSC camera. The Sony/Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 is between the 18mm Sony and the F 35.
The E/35 is from 2012 (still later than 2010). The last prime before the new lenses was the E 20mm F2.8 that was announced in January 2013.
@@RebeccaOre He was talkining about prime lenses, not specifically wide angle primes.
You could tell I wasn't sure when I said this in the video but whatever the lens and whatever the exact date it is a very very long time. Too long in my opinion.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills As an APS-C shooter that has no need for and absolutely no intention to go FF, I agree it's been way too long. On the other hand, Sony has been doing exactly what they said they would do: Finish (-ish) their FE line-up and the go back to give APS-C some love.
Mark - your weight spec on the 20G is wrong. The 20G weighs 373 grams, not 436 grams as you show.
Thanks for the heads-up
Funny how SONY dropped these lenses right on Canon's APSC camera debut with impeccable timing,
making Canon's lack of desirable native lenses even worse by comparison.
People buy into a camera system, if the lenses they want are available... Canon's wide lens roadmap is dismal.
It'll be several camera generations before you have a decent selection of wide and bright lenses.
Sounds like a complaint? It is.. I really wanted to buy the R5, until I checked the native lens selection...
We date our cameras and marry our lenses so the lens choice is more important than a specific model of camera.
@@AlphaCreativeSkills indeed. That's why I keep buying Sony, although some native wide lenses for SONY APSC were also quite overdue...?
SONY's marketing isn't known to leave product release timing up to chance.
ITS A PITY
sony left the APSC action segment entirely to Canon.
Action camera needs large lens, and Sony APSC offering simply don't have the ergonomics
for large lens.
No matter how you swing it, its TOTALLY OFF balance.
I can see SONY easily can take on Canon R7
Unfortunately its too late now.
Not sure about 'too late'. Sony could regain dominance in the APS-C sector in just two years if they made the corporate decision to own this segment of the market.