I may be the only person in the world with this view, but I don't really mind that ultra wide angle lenses have a bit of distortion... In certain occasions it actually helps that the lens is not perfectly rectilinear. You actually have an example of such an occasion in this very video! In the photo at 10:30 the distorted image that came out of the camera is more "natural looking" than the image resulting from fixing the barrel distortion. Notice the BMW logo at the top right corner: in the original distorted image it's nicely round, whereas after correcting the distortion it's egg shaped and weirdly stretched. This issue is particularly noticeable when photographing groups of people with some in the corners. Sometimes it's best to have a slight barrel distortion that gives a more natural looking image than having a perfectly rectilinear image with stretched heads in the corners. When shooting RAW you can choose to fix the barrel distortion in post or not, so if Sony can give me a smaller and lighter lens with distortion as a tradeoff I'll gladly accept.
I fully agree that the distortion correction can be a negative thing. I started reducing it when I have people at the sides of the frame and it is a great fix for weird head shapes.
Distortion doesn't matter because it's corrected. The only reason people complain about it is because they say they lose sharpness (which is true), but if the image is so sharp to begin with that even after correction, it's still sharper than the competition, then there is no downside and nothing to complain about. And that's been the case with recent Sony lenses.
It's not auto corrected for RAW files but I will say Sony is doing a great job with the correction on the JPEGs and Video. Kind of interesting though if Sony has an unfair advantage if they can just fix lenses in post where Sigma and Tamron need the actual lens to perform well
I have had the 10-18/4 over the last 2 years for real estate work. It is terribly soft in the corners, and the distortion isn't any better. The lens is almost 10 years old, and Sony still charges more for that lens than the new 10-20/4pz. The new 10-20/4 is a clear winner.
I've also been using the 10-18 for a few years and I concur. It's very sharp in the center but falls apart in the corners. It also fringes like crazy in the corners. I received the 10-20 today and it's miles better.
@JG Question for you. I’m getting into real estate photography and video and was debating between the 10-20 f4 pz vs the 11mm 1.8.. I really like the power zoom but am hesitant due to it being f4 and not doing well in darker rooms. What is your experience using an f4 for both photos and videos?
@@Image1Nation So for video, if you're shooting at 1/50th of a second shutter, usually that helps keep the ISO low even in low light. For photos if you use a tripod, you can shoot at any shutter with ISO 100 so no problem with an F4 for photography and video is not usually a big deal since your shutter can be low. It's only when there are moving people that it becomes an issue so for wedding receptions where I might be shooting slow motion or need to keep my shutter speed higher, I prefer the wider aperture lens
Yeah but it's a non issue. It's corrected in camera, and RAW editors will automatically correct it once they've been updated. You look at the FINAL result after correction, to compare sharpness with the competition, and I'm sure it will still be sharper even after correction.
@@youuuuuuuuuuutube You lose things in the corners from the correction, this is especially important in wider shots. It's very much an issue unless the optic focal length is wider than the spec sheet focal length to compensate for the distortion correction.
Sony has been applying the composite lightweight material on their later lenses. It's kinda like using carbon fiber on cars to cut down on the weight. My latest purchase, the 35mm 1.4 uses some lightweight material. To test metal vs plastic/composite, give it the lips test. Metal is cold, much colder than plastic. I have the new trip and they are fantastic lens. I do like the 10-20mm over the 10-18mm. Just seems to be a better overall lens. One thing about wide to ultrawide is the distortion that can be used effectively. That is why I love them, for the distortion. Give me a full frame fisheye lens and I will be a happy camper. I used one on my old Nikon F2 with great effect, destroying people's faces a creating interesting landscape photos. In the hands of a photographer with a sense of humor, you can have a lot of fun.
In my experience, E mount lenses had some more distortion on average than RF & Z. My assumption is from the smaller lens mount size. Sony likes to rely more on software correction for their smaller and/or budget priced lenses. I recall there being a Sony lens that didn't even fill the image sensor until the distortion correction stretched the image.
*Just bought this for my a6400 but the 15mm is like my Sigma 16mm I didn't want something close to what I have but this 11mm is WIDE...and once ya get past that ultra wide aspect it's ok. But I do love this lens and I'll be using this with the FX30 when they become available*
Thanks Dan, as usual, a great video review. Always love your style and energy. I do understand the complaint of needing software correction to have straight lines but honestly I seem to be the only person who sometimes uncorrects in raw to allow for better people photos, if I dont correct the barrel distortion actually makes people on the edges of group photos look normal. This is the only time I do this but it cant be done if the lens is optically corected perfectly. I shoot real estate and I shoot people so I need both worlds satisfied. I guess this is extreme, but years ago I actually bought a Tokina fisheye zoom for apsc so that I could zoom in so it was wide but not fishy and worked so well for party action. Maybe these lenses would be perfect for that. I just wonder what is the stated focal length or angle of view, corrected or uncorrected? Maybe worth a check again a better corrected lens.
I am struggling to decide which wide angle lens to get for my A7iV considering the 4k60 crop. I plan to get into real estate videography. Which one would you have gone for Sony 10-20 F4, Tamron 11-20 f2.8, Laowa 9mm?
Awesome! So it's an APSC camera but honestly, Sony's APSC primes are pretty weak so you might want to consider full frame. Also in case you ever use an FX3 or something like that, your lenses will work on both cameras. Sony's 35mm F1.8 is a great prime lens for tighter detail shots: bhpho.to/3225Dbe and the 20mm F1.8 is an awesome prime lens under 1k too: bhpho.to/3wf7m9M If you want a zoom, if you want a wide angle, your options are very limited on APSC which is the only issue. Sony has a 10-20mm F4 which is decent but that's about the only option. Tons of more general zooms from Sony or Sigma/Tamron in the 16-50mm range and you really can't go wrong with any of them or Sony's 18-105 F4 OSS is a great all in one
@@oldmanhendo7183 They don't have any super high quality APSC lenses. Most are mid grade at best. These are solid but they definitely have issues that are being fixed by the camera
@@learningcameras doesn’t the fact that they’re fixed by the camera make it a non issue though? Or does it still cause some sort of problems? I’m considering buying the new FX30, but I’m kind of on the fence at the moment
Hi buddy do u know what kind of camera do I need if I want to record a clear video of shooting at 500-600 yards I need it to record the target at that distance thanks!
Hi Dan pls i am looking for full mirrorless camera for 70% photo and 30% video i am very confuse which camera company to go with pls help anyone. thanks
The best APSC camera is the Canon R7 but the lens options are more limited and the best full frame camera is the Sony A7IV right now in my opinion with the Canon R6 as a close 2nd
Would the 11 f 1.8 be worth it on an a7r4 or am I better off just enjoying my 14 & 24 gm lenses. I’d like a little wider then 14 mm at times but not a fan of the higher aperature of other lense options or price of 12-24 gm lol. New to learning about what a regular prime apsc means for a full frame , whether it still appears wide and just vignettes or what. Thanks!
So the 11mm would have vignetting so it would be unusable in the full frame mode so you would need to use the APSC mode which would end up making it a 17mm lens so you would be better off with the 14mm
@@learningcameras yea that makes sense… not worth it. Curious to see if Sony will come out with any other wide primes in the next year for full frames 🤔definently pleased with the 14gm for now though.
I think if someone was considering the 15mm 1.4 to use on a full frame Sony that it’s just worth it to pay an extra $150 and get the full frame 20mm 1.8g
this is my humble request to all content creators using latest sony mirrorless cameras to disable the EYE PRIORITY in autofocus feature of their cameras at least in video mode. the EYE DETECT feature undoubtedly gives perception of better looking video but because sony's EYE AUTOFOCUS is so powerful and that coupled with modern lenses at wider aperture results in a video that has a very small portion of the screen that is highly in focus. this obviously looks impressive f0r stlls but when it comes t0 vide0, and especially when the subject is m0vng, it bec0mes strainful on eyes of the viewer to watch.
Haha...it's not and I agree the BMW's design language is grill heavy right now lol. But they still drive amazing and unfortunately you can't pick and chose the grill design. I actually like the busy element though personally!
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I may be the only person in the world with this view, but I don't really mind that ultra wide angle lenses have a bit of distortion... In certain occasions it actually helps that the lens is not perfectly rectilinear. You actually have an example of such an occasion in this very video! In the photo at 10:30 the distorted image that came out of the camera is more "natural looking" than the image resulting from fixing the barrel distortion. Notice the BMW logo at the top right corner: in the original distorted image it's nicely round, whereas after correcting the distortion it's egg shaped and weirdly stretched. This issue is particularly noticeable when photographing groups of people with some in the corners. Sometimes it's best to have a slight barrel distortion that gives a more natural looking image than having a perfectly rectilinear image with stretched heads in the corners. When shooting RAW you can choose to fix the barrel distortion in post or not, so if Sony can give me a smaller and lighter lens with distortion as a tradeoff I'll gladly accept.
I fully agree that the distortion correction can be a negative thing. I started reducing it when I have people at the sides of the frame and it is a great fix for weird head shapes.
Distortion doesn't matter because it's corrected. The only reason people complain about it is because they say they lose sharpness (which is true), but if the image is so sharp to begin with that even after correction, it's still sharper than the competition, then there is no downside and nothing to complain about. And that's been the case with recent Sony lenses.
It's not auto corrected for RAW files but I will say Sony is doing a great job with the correction on the JPEGs and Video. Kind of interesting though if Sony has an unfair advantage if they can just fix lenses in post where Sigma and Tamron need the actual lens to perform well
I have had the 10-18/4 over the last 2 years for real estate work. It is terribly soft in the corners, and the distortion isn't any better. The lens is almost 10 years old, and Sony still charges more for that lens than the new 10-20/4pz. The new 10-20/4 is a clear winner.
Good to know!
I've also been using the 10-18 for a few years and I concur. It's very sharp in the center but falls apart in the corners. It also fringes like crazy in the corners. I received the 10-20 today and it's miles better.
@JG Question for you. I’m getting into real estate photography and video and was debating between the 10-20 f4 pz vs the 11mm 1.8.. I really like the power zoom but am hesitant due to it being f4 and not doing well in darker rooms. What is your experience using an f4 for both photos and videos?
@@Image1Nation So for video, if you're shooting at 1/50th of a second shutter, usually that helps keep the ISO low even in low light. For photos if you use a tripod, you can shoot at any shutter with ISO 100 so no problem with an F4 for photography and video is not usually a big deal since your shutter can be low. It's only when there are moving people that it becomes an issue so for wedding receptions where I might be shooting slow motion or need to keep my shutter speed higher, I prefer the wider aperture lens
@@Image1Nation Get the 11mm, you can use Sony's clearimage zoom to extend the range till 22mm without much loss in quality
U are the only one mentioning distortion seriously. Many thanks.
Yeah but it's a non issue. It's corrected in camera, and RAW editors will automatically correct it once they've been updated.
You look at the FINAL result after correction, to compare sharpness with the competition, and I'm sure it will still be sharper even after correction.
@@youuuuuuuuuuutube You lose things in the corners from the correction, this is especially important in wider shots. It's very much an issue unless the optic focal length is wider than the spec sheet focal length to compensate for the distortion correction.
Other camera guys habe mentioned it many times. People either love it, or dont like it.
Sony has been applying the composite lightweight material on their later lenses. It's kinda like using carbon fiber on cars to cut down on the weight. My latest purchase, the 35mm 1.4 uses some lightweight material. To test metal vs plastic/composite, give it the lips test. Metal is cold, much colder than plastic. I have the new trip and they are fantastic lens. I do like the 10-20mm over the 10-18mm. Just seems to be a better overall lens.
One thing about wide to ultrawide is the distortion that can be used effectively. That is why I love them, for the distortion. Give me a full frame fisheye lens and I will be a happy camper. I used one on my old Nikon F2 with great effect, destroying people's faces a creating interesting landscape photos. In the hands of a photographer with a sense of humor, you can have a lot of fun.
In my experience, E mount lenses had some more distortion on average than RF & Z. My assumption is from the smaller lens mount size. Sony likes to rely more on software correction for their smaller and/or budget priced lenses. I recall there being a Sony lens that didn't even fill the image sensor until the distortion correction stretched the image.
A6400 production restarted and here we are with 3 lenses. Is Sony going to release some new body?
Hopefully!
*Just bought this for my a6400 but the 15mm is like my Sigma 16mm I didn't want something close to what I have but this 11mm is WIDE...and once ya get past that ultra wide aspect it's ok. But I do love this lens and I'll be using this with the FX30 when they become available*
Thanks Dan, as usual, a great video review. Always love your style and energy. I do understand the complaint of needing software correction to have straight lines but honestly I seem to be the only person who sometimes uncorrects in raw to allow for better people photos, if I dont correct the barrel distortion actually makes people on the edges of group photos look normal. This is the only time I do this but it cant be done if the lens is optically corected perfectly. I shoot real estate and I shoot people so I need both worlds satisfied. I guess this is extreme, but years ago I actually bought a Tokina fisheye zoom for apsc so that I could zoom in so it was wide but not fishy and worked so well for party action. Maybe these lenses would be perfect for that. I just wonder what is the stated focal length or angle of view, corrected or uncorrected? Maybe worth a check again a better corrected lens.
I am struggling to decide which wide angle lens to get for my A7iV considering the 4k60 crop. I plan to get into real estate videography. Which one would you have gone for Sony 10-20 F4, Tamron 11-20 f2.8, Laowa 9mm?
Oh men so much releases today. Sony apsc got some luv.
Though f4 for apsc a tad bit low tbh
Yep! Also have the new Sigma 16-28 but you'll have to wait until next week for that lol
@@learningcameras how does f4 translate to apsc (crop mode on a74)?
@@Image1Nation The F4 would be like using a full frame F5.6 lens as far as the depth of field and the focal length will be multiplied by 1.5x
Dan, does all 3 Sony lenses have fixed rear element such that they do not move during focusing and in the 10-20, not move during zoom? Thanks.
obviously elements in 10-20 move, but lense doesn't extend, so elements movement doesn't effect much when you use lense on gimbal
So how does the 15mm look in full frame mode with active image stabilization? Is it really that much of a vignette?
I’m buying the FX 30 I mostly shoot cars videos. What lens would you recommend?
Awesome! So it's an APSC camera but honestly, Sony's APSC primes are pretty weak so you might want to consider full frame. Also in case you ever use an FX3 or something like that, your lenses will work on both cameras. Sony's 35mm F1.8 is a great prime lens for tighter detail shots: bhpho.to/3225Dbe and the 20mm F1.8 is an awesome prime lens under 1k too: bhpho.to/3wf7m9M
If you want a zoom, if you want a wide angle, your options are very limited on APSC which is the only issue. Sony has a 10-20mm F4 which is decent but that's about the only option. Tons of more general zooms from Sony or Sigma/Tamron in the 16-50mm range and you really can't go wrong with any of them or Sony's 18-105 F4 OSS is a great all in one
@@learningcameras I have plenty of full frame lenses. Fx3 it’s not in my budget. That’s why I’m thinking of that one.
Dan Watson When you say Sony’s APSC primes are weak, what do you mean by that? You made it sound like they’re great in this video
@@oldmanhendo7183 They don't have any super high quality APSC lenses. Most are mid grade at best. These are solid but they definitely have issues that are being fixed by the camera
@@learningcameras doesn’t the fact that they’re fixed by the camera make it a non issue though? Or does it still cause some sort of problems? I’m considering buying the new FX30, but I’m kind of on the fence at the moment
So the zv-e1 has built-in distortion correction? Been thinking about this lens or the 16-35 f4… love the size and internal zoom on both!
Yep, the E1 will correct it automatically
Hi buddy do u know what kind of camera do I need if I want to record a clear video of shooting at 500-600 yards I need it to record the target at that distance thanks!
Hi Dan pls i am looking for full mirrorless camera for 70% photo and 30% video i am very confuse which camera company to go with pls help anyone. thanks
The best APSC camera is the Canon R7 but the lens options are more limited and the best full frame camera is the Sony A7IV right now in my opinion with the Canon R6 as a close 2nd
If you are confused, start with the ZV E10 or ZV E1.
Would the 11 f 1.8 be worth it on an a7r4 or am I better off just enjoying my 14 & 24 gm lenses. I’d like a little wider then 14 mm at times but not a fan of the higher aperature of other lense options or price of 12-24 gm lol. New to learning about what a regular prime apsc means for a full frame , whether it still appears wide and just vignettes or what. Thanks!
So the 11mm would have vignetting so it would be unusable in the full frame mode so you would need to use the APSC mode which would end up making it a 17mm lens so you would be better off with the 14mm
@@learningcameras yea that makes sense… not worth it. Curious to see if Sony will come out with any other wide primes in the next year for full frames 🤔definently pleased with the 14gm for now though.
I think if someone was considering the 15mm 1.4 to use on a full frame Sony that it’s just worth it to pay an extra $150 and get the full frame 20mm 1.8g
So not really. The reason most of us want the 15mm is because the A7IV only shoots in apsc in 4k60 so the 20mm will now become 30mm
@@learningcameras you are correct, I can’t do math lol.
@@joshuachubbphotography haha
Let's goooo new crop bodies. A6400 lost its cane and fell over.
Sony has a problem of identifying what is base, g or gm a bit. Not the first time
Agreed
this is my humble request to all content creators using latest sony mirrorless cameras to disable the EYE PRIORITY in autofocus feature of their cameras at least in video mode. the EYE DETECT feature undoubtedly gives perception of better looking video but because sony's EYE AUTOFOCUS is so powerful and that coupled with modern lenses at wider aperture results in a video that has a very small portion of the screen that is highly in focus. this obviously looks impressive f0r stlls but when it comes t0 vide0, and especially when the subject is m0vng, it bec0mes strainful on eyes of the viewer to watch.
sandy pak can you explain this a little more? I’m confused.
Hope that BMW is not yours. That is one hideous grille. And the rest is Japanese busy. BMW is way off track design-wise these days.
Haha...it's not and I agree the BMW's design language is grill heavy right now lol. But they still drive amazing and unfortunately you can't pick and chose the grill design. I actually like the busy element though personally!
Don't usually comment on cars, but the front of that bmw is so ugly
It's definitely a LOT of grill haha
It looks gooood. The sound will chanhe your mind anyway. We have one and its not as big in person. Its actually just awesome.