Trajan Langdon Makes His Vision Very Clear In Detroit Pistons Introductory Press Conference
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- Trajan Langdon finally had his introductory press conference with Detroit Pistons owner Tom Gores, and the former Duke basketball player made his vision very clear for this franchise.
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I like how hes realistic about the time its gonna take to make this team legit. I like how he actually answers questions honestly. I like how he talked about building around Cade.
Also clean cut bro.
I hate that he intentionally loses games for several more years. Haven't we seen enough tanking?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 No, we have not. They have no assets, still.
This was a great press conference in my opinion. I think both Tom and Trajan were honest and clear how things were going to be. I think the most important thing that was said was that we can’t “skip steps.” It tells me that they are going to try to do this development and rebuild slowly and right. We shouldn’t expect to be in play in contention right now and we can’t rush the success of the future for a playoff appearance now.
Funny How Time Changes plans. Before last season all I remember hearing from Gores and many others was that this is a *_Restore_* not a *_Rebuild._* Now it's almost, if not completely, the opposite: A Rebuild that, hopefully, will lead to an eventual Restore.
I said the same thing that’s not what great organizations with steady success do.
Does anyone believe in Fontecchio?
Hes better than Svi Mahyliuk. Keep HIM
He a must
@@Jamar-lg9ob We always get rid of Scoring dudes for terrible reasons. Like we need extra cap space for an invisible superstar (Paul George, Ingram, Zion😭) IT AIN'T HAPPENING. but we keep guys like Stanley Johnson and Killian Hayes TOO LONG 🤢HELP my PISTONS!🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
I like fontecchio we need shooters like him and he’s got a good post move package
Fontecchio looked good, but he only played 16 games for us. Love to keep him, but there is likely a reason he was on the bench with the Jazz, who are not great. He’ll likely be a nice bench piece; I worry if we have to count on him as a significant starter.
Yeah I see him as a long term piece
Podcast has been killer lately, great stuff! Is there going to be a Locked on NBA wide mock draft where you pick for the Pistons like last year?
Secondly, the things Langdon stated about getting players to complement our youth/young players is the same thing Weaver had stated on a number of occasions. Weaver said he wanted to see what we had at the beginning of the season so he'd know what adjustments were needed to make the team better.
Then when he brought the players in, Monty refused to play them. So Weaver did the players who weren't getting run from Monty, a solid and either waved them or traded them so they could be used by other teams.
Another 5-years of rebuild. Good grief.
If we are lucky, the Pistons will make the play-in game in 2032. 😆
This response is what I've been slowly appreciating more and more. I don't think this team is ready to compete, and I also do think there is anything they can do in FA to make them a play in team. I think you have to re-evaluate the young core, find out who stays, and who goes. Develop a CULTURE first, and compete later.
LOL.
So fire Weaver then follow his plan?
It's always a way and with cap Young core coaches available should be ready to compete otherwise why fire troy?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 There was no culture he developed. Just draft young talent and pray you can compete was Weavers goal. I didn’t say Trajans plan was good or bad. But I’m saying at this point in time, THIS is what the team should be doing.
@@Jamar-lg9ob We won 14 games and we don’t know what our best player looks like in on a functional NBA team. We can sign all these players and trade for Ingram but 3 guys won’t make this team a sustainable contender. We’ll end up just like the 2016-2019 Pistons rushing too fast to try and contend.
I like this guy nothing flashy he just wants to build this team up adding the right pieces to the core
Andrew Wiggins Jerami grant or Michael Porter Jr.
i like jerami from this list.
Wiggins good fit with championship experience
Grant was already on the pistons. Why do you want him to come over again. He’s an empty stat player.
Hard Pass.
Moving back in this draft is an obvious idea. There will be little difference between the players available at 5 to 25 in this draft. The question is who can you find that likes someone enough at 5 to give anything up.
What do you think? Trade with the knicks for they 2 picks 22 and 23 I think… or portland for 14 and they early second rounder…
@@matheusnavesborges2720 if we are going to move it I’d want something concrete from the team, not just picks. Even if it is a lower pick and a solid bench guy.
I actually think gore was referencing that leadership responsibilities weren't clear and the leadership was factioned due to the poor structure. The office wasn't built for success regardless of who was in each role. Individually, he liked the leadership but not as a whole.
Cade will be just fine growing with rest of the young core, pretty sure he loves his guys and just want to play competent good basketball with logical pieces around him for the first time in his career, Trajan understands that
lol
@@ronaldmcdonald1977 lol
Cade will appreciate his next team even more after winning 70 games over the next 3 years ...
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 yall gotta stop swinging from his sack Cade good but he not generational this a team game and it’s ok for him to continue to grow with his guys, last year showed nothing being that Monty was the coach and he hated the young guys, we’ve yet to see how good Ivey and Cade could be together
@@pheralanpathfinder4897if we only win 70 over three years we will be glad Cade is gone because that means he was part of the problem.
Of course, he has to say he want to develop the young core. But if he was honest, he would had said. In order to win I must GUT out the entire roster ( exception of Cade Cunningham ) to be a competitive team in the league.
It seemed like the whole presser was an indirect indictment of troy and Monty. Troy for the asset management as you mentioned and leadership. And Monty for the continued emphasis on player development that they mentioned, clearly indicating Monty fell short in this area. I think they think they will be better with the same young core and a new coach with better supporting pieces, which I agree with. But it's just sad that last year was just a total waste and regression year because of Monty and troys failures.
What Troy do not get his coach or players he wanted because ownership
Tellum and Gores never gave Weaver the authority needed to succeed.
Has Gores learned the lesson from that the Blake trade should have taught him?
No one has mentioned how fractured the bureaucracy was in Piston management, Weaver had a choice for coach...the owner did not agree..he trumped Weaver for Monty....no one on same page nooo continuity........Monty the Fall guy.....now I think a clean slate is the only way to go
How incompetent can an organzation be to start a press conference over an hour late? Then its starts with Gores insufferable reminder to the fans and media that he is a phenonmenal business executive who is going to apply his Platnum Equity model by installing a "CEO who could run a steel comany." Fact is, Gores just buys and sells companies He has never actually built a sucessful company that produces a real product from the ground up. He has proven he has no clue how to build an NBA organization. Fans can only hope he is lucky on his 4th attempt with the Landgon/CEO model. Landgon came across as compenent and normal, which was a welcome change from Weaver who's presence and communication style was just plain weird. I disagree with Ku that Landgon layed out a vision for the Pistons Saying you are going to develop young players, hold people to accout for details, not skip steps are just slogans, not a BB team strategy or even statement of goals or expectations. But Langdon show some smarts by basically ducking any comittments.
Lastly, Weaver came in here with NO assets to build from and reasonable cap space. Langdon comes in with much better assets and more cap space than anyone else in the league, so his floor is a ton higher than what Weaver had.
Weaver started with no assets, but then he traded away future assets to try and jump start the rebuild. Then he collected mismatched assets and robbed the future, when he should have been collecting future assets.
@@ZachErickson-0222if you're right we better trade some of the Core Four for pieces that fit.
It sounds like the Weaver plan is going to continue.
Weaver had FOUR years and completely fucked it all up: why are you defending the worst GM who ever lived?
What assets does Langdon have?
Yo Good stuff! One thing you mentioned tho was the Langdon quote and I think it’s possible we misunderstood his quote. It was a little unclear. He said “bringing in contracts and gathering assets” It may not mean both at same time. Could be 2 separate goals
You think he’s gonna bring in contracts without gathering assets? Bringing in contracts obviously means contracts other teams are trying to shed which means we’d obviously be gaining assets to give another team cap relief. You’re overthinking it bro. It really is that simple.
@@aaronmedeiros9088not every bad contract means the player signed to it will be treated as a negative asset. It's possible for a player to be on a contract teams want to shed but still have trade value
@@ianblizzard5195 disagree. If they want to shed the contract, a good decision maker is not going to do them that favor for nothing.
@@aaronmedeiros9088 you don't get it and that's fine. Not every bad contract has to be packaged with other assets to be gotten rid of. Often times players on bad contracts are traded *at a discount* because they're still good players worth giving something up to get
@@aaronmedeiros9088 I mean it’s possible to take a contract off someone by giving up a young guy. Say Ivey for Lavine. I think it’s possible you’re oversimplifying it. He could then also take on a bad contract for picks
Tom Gores said CEO and thread a ton. Hope it all works out.
Good stuff Ku. Its clear you have a lot of, I mean good Head on your shoulders.
Doesn’t leadership begin and start with ownership?
I wouldn’t be mad if we ran it back in the Trajan era because I know it would be only to see who needs to be traded or helped
Wasn't this past season an evaluation year?
And how did that one work out?
How many more years can we tank?
@@antg007 you’re not wrong, I just know he would make the changes sooner - I’d be surprised if 70% of the team didn’t come back
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I’m right there with you, unfortunately the rebuild silently restarted. I’ve accepted the pain as a fan lol
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 As many as it takes.
Langdon is underpromising, but definitely working to overdeliver. CEO
There is no other way to go about it man be realistic ! It’s Detroit no one’s gonna come here . Why is the fan base so delusional. Trajan hires Fred Vinson one of the best shooting coaches that shows you there he’s FORREAL. Stop being so impatient and unrealistic
Good to see a brotha with some sense. There are too many delusional homers in this fanbase.
@@arc7xangel897 nah fr bro , our fans sound more delusional than lakers fans and they live in LA. We need to be patient . This is the right way to go .
lol
What Monty needed to repair obviously was the franchise all time worst record result of last season. There isnt a secret reason, although I know there is more behind the scenes to come out some day, but Tom didnt say anthing veiled. He mentioned Stan V. and Troy by name when he spoke.
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@locked on pistons . Bro how can we not address starting the presser an hour late? Langdon talked about how they want to keep time in everything they do- even returning phone calls on time. Said this affects every aspect of the organization and sets the standard for success….then why on EARTH did they start an hour late? Terrible look and makes it seem like they’re all talk and they don’t back up what they say. If a player showed up an hour late to a critical tryout for the team and blamed it on traffic, they’d rightly say that’s a poor excuse and they should have found a way to plan for those factors. That would be terribly unprofessional. So why do we accept that from the owner and the new PBO? I’m optimistic about Langdon but this is a HORRIBLE way to start. I can’t get past that asinine misstep. They want fans to buy in to this new regime but they show up late like this
lol
Monty kept telling the media what the Pistons needed to do. It seems Trajan is picking up the same habit.
Obviously first step makes sense, He has to acquire assets to make big moves in the future. I’m willing to be patient as long as he for the love of God do not allow the exact same roster step on the floor next season.
lol
The exact same roster without Monty abusing it will look entirely different
The same roster is being sold in the press conference...
Hope Ku's on time
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I noticed they never mentioned cades extension
Cades extension is all but concrete. His personal trainer said “I love Detroit” and many people think he was subliminally stating that Cades extension is all but written in stone.
@@completelyrandom9953 I hope so. But it’s telling. I think everyone is on the trade block. I like cade
I didn't think that was a shot at Weaver as much as an admission of lack of Leadership from from Tom and Arn as they never hired a President. They hired Weaver as a GM, and then Tom and Arn tried to piece together the President role. That was what I took away from it.
Pistons going to take contracts from teams avoiding the tax, to get picks or young player with upside
THJ might be a player traded by the Mavs to the Pistons. At least he is healthy unlike Joe Harris.
Trajan who??? Lets give this guy 80 million too, but avoid any drama by cutting him a check and letting him walk immediately.
We gotta talk about Ku forehead real quick holy shit man 😭
Lol that's not a forehead that's a Ten head😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@donbur1553
Bruh I was scrolling looking for someone else who felt it
@@startswinging3590 Bring back hat Ku.
Omfg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Andrew Wiggins
And moody
If your take away is correct about asset acquisition is correct here is a lost of players I think they may target: Zach Lavine, Brandon Ingram, Jerami Grant, Dejonte Murray, Ben Simmons, Karl Anthony Towns, and DeAndre Hunter.
we would have to give up assets to acquire Ingram and Murray most likely.
@@luniz4209 Both are worth it. Pistons need an established star clutch enough to help carry the team at times.
@@soatmos it doesn't matter if fans think they're worth it, that's what asset acquisition means - not giving up picks for guys. We are not acquiring a star any time soon unless it's a vastly over paid "former" star like Ben Simmons.
Ben Simmons is the only guy who would bring a pick to the Pistons.
LaVine could be a place holder but I don't want him.
@@luniz4209 They can "acquire assets" with other moves. What's the point of having money if you don't make moves that ultimately lead to winning? Ingram and Murray are worth losing assets for. Every trade has some assets in the deal. The players themselves are "assets." If by "assets" you mean draft capital only, it still remains that those "assets" become players or trade chips. Same thing. How you use your "assets" matters. I'd love to see Cade paired with either of these two guys, or both. Both can score and are older than the average age, but still young enough to be here long term and still be productive. Picks are 50/50 crap shoots usually.
Houston proved there's a way to both develop the core 4 and play winning basketball. FVF, Brooks and Jeff Green didn't jump off the screen from a production perspective, but what they did was provide a baseline on how to follow Ime's scheme, play hard (which imo wasn't really an issue for us), and take the load off Sengun/Jabari/Green. If we can find those similar types of vets via FA or trade, there's no reason why we couldn't do something similar (especially in a dogshit East)
That's not a Langdon said. They'll actively hunting bad contracts to add assets. It's the opposite of what Houston did
True but some of those bad contract players (e.g. Grant, DeAndre Hunter etc) can also really help develop the core. I guess my point is there may be a way to accomplish both, depending on which players they look to take on + sign to bolster the roster depth
@@RVK11-lr2nono team is giving up draft picks to trade away good players.
Joe Harris only brought two second round picks.
That's a bad example & it speaks to Troy's incompetence. Everyone knows Brooklyn don't own their 1st round picks and yet Troy still was happy to engage with them. If a team's desperate enough (esp if owners don't want to pay luxury tax), they will give up actual picks
@@RVK11-lr2no two 2nds wasn't good value but the Pistons needed one to get Morris and had just used little more than one to get Sasser. So getting one first wouldn't have been a vastly better outcome.
See I don’t believe Trajan has time to be “patient” here though in this situation as we sit right now, he has to make a key move or 2 immediately as far as personnel on the roster is concerned. Especially if he believes that Cade is our guy moving forward. Because I can see Cade wanting out after next season if we don’t at least get close enough to a “potential play in situation” next season. Though I definitely do believe Trajan can get the job done here he was a helluva player great basketball mind etc. And I like the fact that he has “cleaned house” so he clearly has a vision he wants to reach for us so we’ll see.
Cade would give up tens of millions if he doesn't extend here.
We can't effectively trade him until 2027 if we extend him
@@pheralanpathfinder4897They are gonna offer Cade that max extension here real soon according to reports. He definitely deserves it in my opinion, but like I said, i still can’t see him wanting to stick around here if the right moves aren’t made that could at least propel us into a possible play in situation next season, he may check out on us mentally. I mean just think about it this will be 3 different head coaches in a row he will be playing under this season that’s a lot. 🤷🏽♂️
@@Stank-Stanksonthey should put in a games played clause on his extension. Part of the reason we are in this situation is he missed an entire year. And I don’t think the coaching changes will be an issue as long as they get this one right.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Couldn’t agree with you more, i don’t want us to lose Cade though he’s shown me that he’s the truth with limited help. Just imagine how good he’s gonna be with real talent around him. Can’t wait to see it!
@@Stank-Stankson I think he has more talent around him than people realize because we had terrible development staff and Monty completely misused players. I think with a new coach plus the new shooting coach we will see a much better product this year even if we have little personnel changes.
Developing is cool, they have to get a person that can evaluate talent. NBA screws us on drafts but many times we still draft bad players. The good teams get people at any pick. There are gems that we pass up at later picks. That hurts us alot since we are attracting free agents.
The NBA doesn’t screw the Pistons. If you think this you need to work on understanding statistics.
@cordelldemattei5446 I specifically said in the draft. How can you statistically show me how ping-pong balls aren't rigged. You're delusional if you think the Spurs were just magically lucky to get Victor. You're delusional if you think LeBron magically went to Cleveland. There are so many storylines that are so obvious. It's hilarious. Now on the court is a different story, but I said in the draft. Pick 7, 1, 5, 5, lol
@@kingl77lking64 I meant in the draft. You do realize that getting the #5 pick 3 times in a row as the worst team is almost as likely (-11%) as getting the the #1 pick once (~14%). Conspiracy theories thrive on poor understanding of statistics. Why would the NBA want Wemby on a small market team?
Too many chefs in the kitchen was a big problem under Weaver.
Or maybe the problem was not making Weaver the head chef.
Tellum & Gores are the problem.
Hopefully Langdon will be better at manipulating them into making good decisions.
Troy didn't enforce the details of making sure that the coaching staff stayed in communication with the players, with the medical staff, or with the front office. Troy focused primarily a lot on the basketball side of things but neglected a lot of the balance in regards to the collaborating efforts of the entire operations of the franchise
He wasn’t President, he was GM
If the coaches and medical staff aren't allowed to talk to each other directly this organization is much worse than I thought.
Only contracts really bad enough right now to where you should have to add assets to get rid of is lavine, simmons, and maybe beal...?
Simmons is only one year, the Nets would be better off waiting than giving away assets.
Towns should be on this list too.
I agree tom grew on me this press conference loved the self reflection
lol
Gores did nothing to make me believe he has learned from previous mistakes. He took veiled criticisms/shots @ Weaver & Monty. His statement about how he felt it was time he hired a CEO/President type is laughable 😂. It took 13 yrs to make that decision 🤔 Just because he is taking a hit on the Monty contract doesn’t change my view of his ownership which is 🤡🤡🎪 let’s see if he has the right “thread” to connect all facets of this basketball organization 🤷🏾♂️
@@michaelpowell9152
this we agree on. Same spill we got last time.
We will know in 4 years if it worked. As least we will have each other over the years.
4 years older, we can all look back at these and chuckle.
They said a lot of words, they have for YEARS. So I’m sorry, I’m gonna sit back and wait and see. I have no faith in the pistons organization.
What about GM
The goal should be go from laughing stock to respectable, then build from there,people wanna go from door mats to championship over night that’s not realistic add to the young core and go from there!!!
I can see a scenario where he trades Beef Stew to Portland and takes on Grant's contract.
@@brucebedrock4274that would be somewhat funny since wasn’t one of the reasons they moved Grant was because they had Stew who is younger and cheaper.
Leadership/culture begins with a winner,a champion. Canada Wiggens would feast jn the East. Wings are valued highly. Wiggens needs to escape Drays antics dramatizing his bestie, Poole. Then, acquire Poole. Cade's Robin.
Sasser for Poole
@@Jamar-lg9ob Disgusting, you would have to give me FIVE first round picks to take that horrific Poole contract.
Duncan Robinson 🤔
He trading Stew or duren everybody gone Ivey stays cade stays Thompson stays sassar stays
Sasser should be traded before stew or duren
Needs to keep duren as well. We better not give up Sasser. I’m alright with trading Stewart
@@completelyrandom9953Stew is the one fitting piece so he probably gets traded for an older less skilled player and draft picks.
Stew can’t catch a basketball
@@Jamar-lg9ob Or just waived, it's not like Sasser has trade value.
We have tried to do it in so many ways with different coaches now we are definitely in a position where we have to take it slow not think about championships like Langdon says you have to develop these young guys get them into the groove of winning and playing the right waywould rather do it the right way then continue on going that we have been doing for years. It just didn’t work. I’ve been a piston fan since 1988. I think I can wait a little bit longer.
Its been Gore the whole time .
lol
How many years of tanking qualify as the right way?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897ask the Lions
Truth is folks it's going to be a minute before we can contend do it right do it slow that's the right 👍 way.
Then trade Cade. He doesn't have time to wait on the crock pot to cook the stew. He's hungry sooner than later.
@@antg007 everyone wants a Chip right now. Cade’s young, he is one that is still stewing as well.
Don't they need a core....? Do they have an established core?
Lavine, Grant, etc are some horrid contracts
Jeremy Grant is fair market value. LaVine is an injury waiting to happen, but Ingram could be worse...
Chris Paul for mentoring 🤔
We should have kept Monty then. He looks like a coach when he has Chris Paul doing his job for him.
Ku, you speak with a forked tongue. You talk about GM Weaver not handling front office issues and POBO Langdon doing so. Well, by job description, they are two totally different roles. So to expect Weaver to do things that are not in his job description is totally unrealistic.
Time to trade Cade. This is not fair to him AT ALL. Frankly, if I'm Cade, I'm holding out until I'm traded.
This is EXACTLY the same rhetoric we heard when they hired Troy. As for a Developmental coach didn't they already have Coach Casey, whom the players loved like a stern father, already there? My goodness this team is frustrating.
They are also tacitly admitting that no FA wants to sign here, so they're going dumpster diving in bad contract trash pile hoping for a lucky break. Sigh. This thing is 5 years away from anything of significance. Next year is a tank job. Prepare for the 5th pick in 2025.
I think we end up with pick four...
It's not even a matter of fairness. It's just that things don't make sense as they are, but I'm afraid Trajan will learn it the hard way
The Pistons need to go all in for Lauri Markkanen. Dude is a big that can shoot and spread the floor…just what Cade needs. I would give up a package that includes Ivey for that guy. Add him and another solid shooter and you’re at least in the playoffs
Utah’s not giving up Markkanen; do you think they don’t know he’s good? Any package is going to have to include A LOT more than Ivey and a bit to even get them to answer the phone. And he’s only under contract for this season, I believe, do you think he would re-sign with the Pistons?
@@cordelldemattei5446 You must not be keeping up with other teams because it’s well known that Utah might move Markkanen this summer. Also notice that I said “a package” that includes Ivey…so of course it’ll take move than Ivey. They could also work out an extension for Markkanen before the trade is even made if he is agreeable. It’s all easier said than done but if Utah wants to move him then make a wise but aggressive move to get him. The Pistons are so bad and not a free agent destination that we’ll have to overpay for good players. It is what it is and we’ve just gotta come to grips with that or we’ll never go anywhere
@@Mark-oy1wv Yes, Utah may move him because he doesn’t want to extend there. So, if he doesn’t want to extend in Utah, why the heck would he agree to extend in Detroit? And you said a package with Ivey, like Ivey and some picks could get it done. Thanks to Troy we don’t have all that many valuable picks, so it would be more like Ivey, Duren, Stew and picks to even get Utah to talk to us. Is it worth shipping off that much young talent, future picks and tying up cap space or should we just tie up caps space in free agency? I see this as more of a possibility closer to the deadline if Utah still has him as they will be more desperate for return and hopefully our young guys have recovered some value lost during this last season.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Sure…we’re really gonna cry over losing 3 guys who can’t shoot in what is a shooters league. It would be hard to let go of Ivey and Duren but you’ve gotta give something to get something. I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep letting Stewart go. And you’re ruling out Markkanen resigning here if we got him but how soon we forget…Bojan signed an extension here even though the team was trash so don’t just assume that it can’t happen. Markkanen being on the last year of his deal will also keep down Utahs asking price since there’s a risk of him walking
You can't get him, you don't have anywhere near enough.
We might as well allowed Troy to finish his vision. Langdon piggy backing at Troy going through the tough years to clear up our cap and draft young players.
If they was overriding Troys decisions, then they didnt respect Troy. They better win, or its going to look really really bad.
lol
Agree
Gores overrode him in getting Monty and then blamed him for lack of leadership.
@@antg007
crazy right? I hope this work. I have no choice but to support it. I love the Pistons.
Might as well enjoy the ride.
Troy's vision was dogshit.
So it was Gore who fired Monty? I did not hear clearly who fired Monty in the press conference? If Gore fired Monty, then isn’t that contradictory to Gore saying it will be up to the GM to make that decision? And Monty supposedly was working with the staff preparing and was caught off guard by the firing.
When it comes to having to pay a guy over 60 million if fired, then yeah Tom needs to decide since he is writing the check
lol
40M Cade is a significantly worse asset than rookie contract Cade. If Trajan's plan to help him is develop a "core" that doesn't fit together they should consider trade him rn. Cause when Cade asks for a trade in a year or 2 they won't get optimal return
lol
We aren't trading Cade so stop please
@@florida1289 oh we are, it's just a matter of when
@@rafaelsantana4905no we're not!!!
@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 paying max money to a player to be the worst team in the league is atrocious asset management. It doesn't make anyone any favors
I've been preaching that core 4 was set up for failure. Glad to see Langdon recognizing that talent Detroit does have and not just impatiently wanting to trade everyone to appease Cade. All I want to see is them take on contracts of vets that can actually contribute not just bad contracts. So as long as the team is improving and the core growth is apparent. I'm good.
You mean guys like Monte Morris, Bojan Bogdonovic, and Alec Burks?
A reasonable plan but we don't get any future picks that way.
It's not about appeasing Cade, it's about acknowledging that everyone else sucks.
You have 4 guys who need to be surrounded by 3&D players and none of them is a 3&D player
You can't expect players to magically become something else, you gotta develop them by their strengths
@@scottwickett1273 I know Scott you were one of those fans I was talking about. You would have probably given up on player like Butler, Ingram, Brown, Middleton, even Ja he regressed his second year too. All these players didn't come in lighting up the NBA they needed development. Celtics wouldn't have a championship now if they just shipped Brown out after his second year in which there was no substantial improvement in his game. I'll give you credit you are consistent in your hate for everyone outside of Cade.
*_Bad_* contracts. Albatrosses and more albatrosses. So basically we should get ready for another potentially *_Bad_* season or Seasons collecting *_Bad_* contracts for who knows how long to go from *_Bad_* to good. Great. After the horrendous season we had last year I wouldn't even associate the word *_Bad_* with the upcoming season.
Now I know why some people want Bill Laimbeer as Head Coach. He took the Detroit Shock from *_Worst to First_* in not only one year but won a championship in the same year he did it. Guess that's a bit too much of an ask right now.
I'm hoping it's a one year tank and Trajan trying to set low expectations.
Sadly we probably tank for three more years.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 3 years?! Ouuuch!
@@thewordkeeper I was hoping this past season had finally convinced fans and Gores that tanking doesn't work.
This year we will extend Cade. That will essentially make him untradable until summer 2025. But we will not have much if any cap space to work with. So the options to upgrade the roster will be very limited.
Summer of 2026 Ivey and Duren have their extensions or maybe they end up being S&T options. At this point Cade will be able to put pressure on the Pistons to start winning but we will need to pull off a blockbuster trade which is easier said than done.
2027 our future draft picks will have more value making a major trade easier to accomplish. Ausar also gets extended. Some of the young guys could potentially be included in trades. But we still might miss out on the deals we want. Or we might find that out big swing wasn't a home run.
Now we have to decide to gamble on keeping Cade or trading him while we still have leverage.
Sadly trading Cade is probably the better option. But such a trade should provide a huge pile of future picks which will allow us to actually trade for the players we need to be a playoff team.
Allot of work have to be done they so bad I cancelled the subscription broadcast their games
They took a huge step just by firing Monty. And then another by hiring a shooting coach that teaches guys to shoot better, not worse like the previous guy that was here 8 years ago
Don't understand the whole asset idea, u can get DeJounte Muarry Ingram Valanciunas G. Williams and Prince and hit the ground running why all the intrigue?
lol
Murray would cost half the Core and more. Or just Cade.
Ingram for Duren and Pick 5 might be off the table.
You do know there is a salary cap and trade requirements, right?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Muarry is 25per our cap is 65 don't see ur point
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 New Orleans wants him gone, there's a phrase in business what's it gonna take to get the deal done negotiate around that. It would probably take Duren Grimes and Stewart and a 2nd but.....so what
I read Tobias Harris may be a player they are considering.
Hilarious how this fanbase is drunk off the kool aid after one presser. Temper expectations everyone
When the plan is to tank a few more years how much more tempered can expectations be?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I mean, that's the correct decision.
Commercial, after commercial, after commercial. I'm out for good.
TH-cam runs advertisements but doesn't pay content creators much so they need to get sponsors. I think You Tube offers ad free subscriptions if you don't want to see ads.
You want Ku to starve and not be able to afford the chains and tats he wants?
We’re in trouble folks. I’m afraid the Pistons are stuck in a purgatory state.
How got tons of talent and cap best situation they been in last decade
@@Jamar-lg9ob what kinds of talent nets you 14 wins? Bro, the Pistons are blowing smoke up your azz.
@@mbwell young talent bad coaching do it
Purgatory would be a huge step up from the hell we’ve been in-lol
@@cordelldemattei5446you beat me to it. We need to triple last year's win total to get to purgatory.
Hopefully everyone gets held accountable even cade who everyone thinks is franchise player but blameless how that works?
What are you even talking about?!?!?
@@scottwickett1273 accountability
@@Jamar-lg9ob You clearly don't know what that word means, because the context of your initial comment doesn't make any sense.
@@scottwickett1273 explain
Wiggins and moody for Flynn and wiseman on sign and trade should of gotten caurso
Who would we give up that was a better offer than Giddey for Caruso? Ivey?
I doubt GSW trades Moody for cap space. Wiggins is possible but even that's unlikely.
Nobody is giving Wiseman a contract. He is garbage.
Why just you don't say: same ole Piston garbage basketball for the next 10 years??? Gores doesn't care, the new coach will be a high school coach that has no experience in the NBA!!! This just in: Killian Hayes signed as the new coach of the Stones- 5 years, 30 million a year !!! Wow, they are going to win it all in 2025!! You won't believe what Gores does next!!
What are you trying to achieve with this comment?
Draft James and pistons will be relevant fast due to the LeBron effect.
Still wouldn't make the playoffs...
This may actually be the worst plan ever conceived
SMH fired Monty after 1 year, what the hell are they doing, and yeah gotta draft talent cause nobody is coming to Detroit willingly!!!!!!!
If you were paying attention, firing Monty after one year was waiting about 2/3 of a year too long.
@@cordelldemattei5446 you think they will be good in the next 2-3 years?
@@rloy7304 that really depends on what you define as good. They should be beyond fighting for a playin spot, but won’t be fighting for a ring (unless there are astounding personnel changes).
@@cordelldemattei5446 hopefully, won’t lie to you I love the Pistons but it’s been hard being a a fan to be honest I’m just tired of this coaching carousel!!!!!
@@rloy7304 if you’ve been a Pistons fan you’ve known nothing else. Casey is the second longest tenured coach EVER with the Pistons at 5 years. Our longest was Daly at 9. Our last title was won with a 2 year coach in his first year. Let’s not pretend coaching stability has ever been a thing in Detroit
Ivey and Cade gonna be crazy next season!
No they're are a horrible match!!!!
Ivey was priority number 4 in Cade initiation last year. Unless the new system prioritizes Ivey as the #2 option under Cade, Pistons will have another 23+win season maximum.
@@wrongthinkpodcast2140as used by Monty. With some movement they can work.
It’s what Troy and company failed to do over the last 4 years. It isn’t fair to Trajan or the organization and fans to not be patient. He deserves the same amount of time to do what’s needed that Troy was given. It isn’t right to just try to make moves to win more now, when it will just leave us stuck forever it the middle of the league, going nowhere, with a middling draft pick.
Nobody associated with the Pistons "deserves" anything. If you want fans to financially support your organization, you need to provide a product that gives fans some value in return.
Trajan deserves more time because he's stuck with a bunch of cap and young players with high trade value instead of Blake Griffin
Get Draymond Green and trade down in the draft and get Lebron’s son. That way Lebron can play with his son in Detroit. Real leadership!
Not what I wanted to hear :(. Cades gonna leave us if they go this route. We’ll be stuck in mediocrity
Stop Cade still in his rookie deal for Pete sake and he’s not a wemby-lebron level player he will be just fine growing with the rest of the young guys. This core can be very special, Trajan thinks so as well
@@teezzz9645 I just think that’s the same mistake Weaver made. He made small moves and took on bad contracts. Every team will get better at our expense
@Musicizmyremedy weaver didn't take on bad contracts, he gave them out. Taking on bad contracts means receiving draft capital and young players along with the overpriced guy, which was the OKC Thunder strategy
The clock really started to tick today imo. Let's hope Trajan can perform a miracle here
@@zaqsiefert5508 I hope so I just hate when they said “dumping grounds for bad contracts” that irritated me lol
Lets get Julius randle!
This press conference was an embarrassment. Langdon seems smart, but the rest is just ridiculously bad. Being an hour late and then talking about the importance of being on time. A joke. And Cade not there. How did that happen? And no head coach and no time table for hiring one with the draft next week. Not good. How can you draft or sign free agents if you don't know who the head coach will be And Tom going on and on without saying anything of substance. He should have passed the microphone to Langdon and said as little as possible. Not a good look. Langdon will need luck. You want to win? Think outside the box. Hire someone like Bill Laimbeer as head coach. That would be a good start. He knows what being a Piston and winning is about. Or hire Becky Hammon. She is one of the best basketball coaches walking the Earth. Ask The Spurs and they'll will tell you how great a head coach she will be when someone gives her a chance.
Are you serious Becky Hammond lol
Becky Hammond is on my short list. I think Bill has earned a comfortable retirement. There was a time when he should have been hired. But the NBA hated him to much.
That forehead is crazy
Bruh. Bwahaha. Looks smooth though
@@ronaldmcdonald1977😂😂😂 yeah bruh look young and old at the same time. Good content tho.
You're not sure what Monty had to repair? Are you serious Ku? You think he had a good relationship with the players? Come on now. Just the Jaden Ivey situation alone was irreparable. I get that you don't view Ivey as any sort of potential player for this team, but you're wrong and will be proven so. Adjust your perception, because you sound somewhat ignorant to me.
Or maybe I’m aware and don’t want to pile on to a situation lol
Ivey is bad, and you're the one who sounds ignorant.
It's funny how different Locked On podcasts can be. Isiah at Locked on Wolverines always provides a polished product but this guy sucks. He seems so unprepared and he's just filling for 30 minutes. Total waste of time
Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back!
(Why would anyone watch a pod about COLLEGE sports?)
I want Claxton and Miles Bridges
We fans are done with this rebuild. We have already been through this shit for 14 years. We are done. To hell with Langdons hire and gores
You....don't speak for everyone. Coming off of Weaver being the very worst GM in the history of the sport, I'm willing to wait and see if Langdon can clear that extremely low bar!
@@scottwickett1273 and our guy Cade? Do we keep in this eternal tanking state?
@@rafaelsantana4905 If he won't take your money you absolutely trade him and start the process all over again; I personally hope it doesn't come to that.
@@scottwickett1273 I think he takes the money, but how do you pay a guy 40M for 5 years if you're planning to tank for the foreseeable future? I think if they extend him it comes with the commitment to be better
@@rafaelsantana4905 It's going to take a sustained run of magical genius GM'ing to serve both masters....otherwise they will fuck themselves over with Ingram or whoever.
I hope the new guy can pull it off.