What Is Going On With Monty Williams And His Future With The Detroit Pistons?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- The Detroit Pistons have moved on from Troy Weaver and hired Trajan Langdon to oversee the next era of Pistons basketball; but will the next era have Monty Williams apart of it or not?
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To me the question isn’t: Is Monty the right man for the job? No. The question is: Does he even WANT the job? Seriously. I respected him from afar prior to us hiring him. But he showed me NOTHING last season that tells me we should keep him. He literally looked like he didn’t want to be coaching, and this was ALL season, not just during the losing streak. How can we have a leader developing our young talent when it’s clear he regrets taking the job? He said when we hired him that the money was the main motivator in convincing him not to take the year off. Now it shows- he does not WANT the job. And either way, he looks clueless in developing young players. Remember that anonymous poll of nba players where Monty was ranked as one of the least desirable coaches to play for? Ya- I’ve seen enough of him. No interest in bringing him back.
I concur. I think almost all of us saw that Monty's heart just wasn't in it last season. Right from the jump it seemed like he had somewhat checked out. He said he wasn't going to argue fouls, before we even played the first game. Wha'?!? Huh? Here's a reply, in-part, to a comment I posted last year in November after losing over 2 dozen straight games:
"...I wanted to address Monty Williams's seemingly indifference when he's on the podium. Man that guy looks like he's just come from a spring walk in the park when he's up there. 15 straight losses and Not a Care in the world."
I believe everyone deserves a second chance. However, by giving a 2nd chance do we run the risk of repeating the same insane things again and possibly obliterate what's left of these young players confidence? Even more succinctly, will Trajan do a redo? We'll know soon, I hope. Peace 2 U
@@thewordkeeper well said. 👏🏼
Perfectly said. Trajan needs to boot Monty.
I agree 110% KU!!! Monty needs to be given the AXE!!!
Waiting with bated breath for an announcement that Monty Williams has been fired.
Would be a big mistake
@@ki2726why do you think it would be a mistake? He has done nothing but sabotage the team in Detroit. Can you name one thing he did right last season?
I think Monty gets fired, I’ve heard people in the organization didn’t really like him and some thought he was trying to get fired
We have to let go of Monty... Would be the case based on what he did to Ivey alone... But a complete lack of interest in anything related to the team and winning...
Could anyone imagine Dan Campbell beeing that checked out during a huge losing streak?
Ku, wondering if we are ever getting more draft prospect vids. Or is Matas it?
Yall getting more, just trying to craft the enough time out to have a complete opinion on each prospect-I don’t want to give you guys anything half baked.
Was Langdon and Williams at the Pelicans during the same seasons?
As fans we (and analysts like Ku) have no idea what restrictions or directions Weaver put on Monte. But we do know he handed Monte an impossible roster and made it worse (with the exception of Fontecio). I would let Langdon do his own evaluation and if he decides to keep him I'll go with that.
The real question in the ‘Pistons vs Warriors matchup is who gets more T’s: Dray or Sheed?
Totally agree about the East, which is why I don't buy this 4 - 5-year rebuild crap..
Ku WWWWWHHHHAAATTTTTT 😮 I completely disagree 100 percent with the golden state warrior beating the 04 pistons statement you still a youngin so imma give you a pass on this one so we talking about the same KD that got swept by Minnesota and a baby Anthony Edward’s and the same Steph Curry that can’t get the playoffs anymore that plays exactly the same if not better then before…. you talking about the warriors is the greatest team assembled in history but only two players can defend on this warriors team that you speak on yea offensively they was great but tayshaun is shutting soft KD down and Steph has not chance on a young Chauncey bro the pistons from the top to the bottom of that roster played tremendous both offensively and defensively they had no weakness warriors was not that great they had 4 great players clay green curry and KD everybody else was average or just panhandling bums think 🤔 about that for a second go take a look at that roster compare player for player do a complete breakdown in a future video I need you to visually show us how can they beat the 04 pistons your the man on this basketball stuff let’s see it bro lol 🏀
Y'all should play against each other in real life one on one then 2k best of seven
Cade and Ivey are fans... Simone too
Of Monty? What else are they going to say in public?
They should just clean house and trade Monte Williams 🤷🏾♂️
West is heavily overloaded.................East is completely open. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
2004 Pistons have the best defense in NBA history… it’s not disrespectful you think gsw would win it’s just not rooted in anything substantial
Besides the fact the 2004 Pistons had a 102 offensive rating?
Not being able to score is pretty substantial in a sport where the goal is to score.
Detroit would make it hard on GS but Ben Wallace would be practically unplayable in the modern game. Detroit would be playing 4 on 5 with no spacing against an awesome defensive team
Honestly once you cross over to somewhere between 2012 and 2015 the modern teams just have too many advantages in terms of the skill, shooting and most importantly strategy.
Whatever TL decides I will support. Honestly I dont have an opinion I just want to watch a good basketball team, thats all.
Still a few years away on that, if it happens at all.
We should be getting JJ here as our head coach!!!
Why? And he already took the Lakers job anyway.
@@scottwickett1273 he’s a young coach that is very smart and could grow with our young team. Has connection with our new POBO.
@@B-rad2424 He's a coach with zero experience, we have absolutely no idea if he's any good or not at that job.
I think how competitive the Pistons played despite the injuries, no calls and bad calls that Monte Williams has to run it back. Most importantly the young core doesn't deserve 3 coaches in 3 seasons. The Pistons fought hard against the refs last season
I think of all the misuse of players and lack of motion or pressure put on any defense and think we can’t afford to have Monty back or we may set new records for loses and longest losing streak.
The Lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone and The Glove…. And we beat them cats… I beg to differ kind sir
I agree with Ku 💯 we should definitely trade Cade! We should not bring ANYTHING back from a 14 win season.
Imma bulls fan..so I feel just as bad for y’all, we want billy outta here too but I’d give both of em one more year tbh
Hello Gorgeous 🥰 you see are problems is our coach don't like young people 😢 that all we have is Kids
Bulls been needing to move on from Billy.
Get Monty out of here man I’m so serious when I say he’s lost us atleast 15 extra winnable games, dude runs an all bench lineup led by Malachi Flynn and James wiseman like what the hell are we doing no coach with a brain would do such a thing, it’s clear as day he doesn’t wanna be here and he’s coaching like it to let’s just cut our losses now before he commits further damage to Cade, Ivey, ausar and duren.
Seriously. He was already thisclose to destroying Ausar's confidence. Idk how the kid found his way back because he looked done.
And Monty will never let Ivey develop. He just uses him as a spot up shooter
@@michaelahurtyup he almost broke Ivey to, monty is a piece of shit and the players know it to they might not say it but that’s how they feel, he continues to play bums like Flynn and Fournier together while the starters rot on the bench, monty has done more bad then good therefore he should not be back coaching this team.
@@michaelahurtyup he almost broke Ivey also, to be honest I knew Monty was a bad hire before the season started he’s a soft coach and is not a good communicator when it comes to young players I wanted ime udoka so bad but no Tom gores thinks he knows basketball when in reality he knows very little.
Ku, yes a team can make a big jump in the East, but the Kings and Thunder both made huge jumps in the West. It is just a matter of player development and smart moves regardless of conference. Unfortunately, the Pistons have not developed players or made good moves. Hopefully that changes with the new leadership.
However, it would take a jump of 24 wins to even reach the play in. That would be a huge single season jump to make it just to 10. Talking top 6, 47 wins from a 14 win season is silly talk.
For what it's worth when they played functional lineups with actual NBA players they had a +8 net rating
If all they did was sign Gary Trent Jr and Tobias Harris and get competent coaching for 82 games and normal injury luck they could pretty easily win 35 games
47 would require Cade being All-NBA which I think is still another year away
Functional lineups meaning:
Cade
Ivey/Ausar
Ausar/Bogey/Knox/Fontecchio
Fontecchio/Stewart/Knox
Duren/Wiseman
Not Stewart at center or Ausar at PF or three small guards or playing two non-shooters next to Cade + Duren ... Just playing lineups that make sense.
I hope that am wrong but I feel even if we trade for Brandon Ingram type player and sign another starter we probably are still only improving to a 22-30 win team next year. Jumping from 14 win to 35-42 win is very improbably. We likely are a bottom six team next year at 22-25 win.
Yes, of course.
Have patience. He hasn’t even had the job for a week 🤦🏾♂️
1st Listen....what up Ku.
Seeing Weaver go was needed. I was a Weaver guy but his time been up. I was a Monty guy but now, I don't know. Stay up Ku...great show as always brother. Word up!!
U like to see a black man without no job don’t yo bro? Lol 😂just kidding good content
Monty was playing NBA 2k irl and tanking for picks by playing 3-4 Centers in long stretches and playing Killian hayes 24minutes a night. To make matters worse, he made him go off-ball which might've went as planned because they lost 28 games straight. Cade got nobody to pass the ball to when he calls for a PnR. The saddest part about this was the players were actually trying to win despite the shit show every night. And that tanking got them the 5th pick....again.
Can't really blame Monty either. He ain't likeable based on reports but he entered NBA gulag and had to go with the flow and eventually get fired while still getting the bag.
Wiseman and Sadiq was definitely troys guys. And dont forget joe harris. I got no problems with giving monty a probation year with with some reliable shooters. I dont wanna hear this crap about monty made a bad hand worse, a bad hand is a bad hand. Hoping for a miracle with a bad hand aint a plan.
That GSW team was the greatest team in YOUR lifetime but that doesn't mean it was the greatest team ever. Don't forget, the pistons swept a 2004 Lakers team consisting of Kobe, Shaq, Karl Malone, Gary Payton and a lot of other good role players. Last time I counted 4 hall-of-famers are > 2.
And yes I said the Pistons SWEPT the Lakers that year. The refs gifted game 2 to the Lakers. The pistons held them under 91 pts in EVERY game. In game 3 the Lakers only scored 68 pts....
Bro they were playing Slava Medvedenko in the NBA Finals. 🤣 🤣
They started Devean George 48 games. He started _50_ the rest of his _career_ !
Payton and Malone weren't even All-Stars at that point, let alone HOF level players.
Also GS also had 4 HOF'ers. Except they were all in their prime. And they beat the f**k out of a team with apex LeBron James and two other All-Stars.
Nah the 17 Warriors were nasty. Plus Iguodala and Livingston were still good. Plus Davis West. That team was unfair
@@michaelahurtdid they not still have Shaq and Kobe in their primes? There was a reason the Lakers were HEAVY favorites.
@@cordelldemattei5446 But you framed them as having four HOFers and good role players which just wasn't the case. That 2004 team was a shell of the 2001 team.
But Shaq was still on the backside of his prime and Kobe -- technically it's his prime but I look at 2004- 2007 as a kind interregnum; like a mid-career crisis where the chip on Kobe's shoulder to prove himself sidetracked his entire team and he stopped playing winning basketball -- but certainly having two first team All-NBA guys and three titles vs no All-Stars swayed the betting lines and general public and media
But as I said, a lot of that was because we were very stupid as fans and the coverage was very stupid.
Haralabos Voulgaris was a professional gambler at the time who later worked for the Mavericks as an analyst and often appeared on Bill Simmons podcast. He said ALL the sharps were on Detroit and he made _millions_ off that series. It was easy money. I bring this up to point out that to the few people at the time using the kind of sophisticated analysis we all have access to now, it was obvious Detroit was better and that LA wasn't very good
LA shouldn't have been in the Finals. That was the year of Fisher's miracle shot and Sam Cassell tearing his hip.
That takes nothing away from the 04 team but they weren't great _because_ they beat up on a "great" LA team. LA was not the same team anymore.
@@michaelahurt that wasn’t me. But they did have quality support for Shaq and Kobe. But this was the height of their feed for whose team it was. Although they were still in their prime they were not playing well together and some key injuries played a major role in the 2004 finals.
That Dubs team absolutely was the greatest team ever, though.
Kareem, Magic and Worthy are arguably better than any three Warriors from that team. The teams in the 80s were deeper than they are now.
The talent pool is so much bigger now. The NBA is drawing from planet Earth.
@@florida1289 in 1987 not only were there seven fewer teams, but each team had three fewer players. The global expansion does not compensate for 200 less players able to make the league.
I don't think Monty is the guy for the job. I think bringing him in showed enough that this team is not ready to be given the reigns to run a freestyle offense. This team needs someone who is an Xs and Os coach and who can instill some sense of involving plays. The coach needs to have a system, and all of those players need to fit the system.
I think Matas Buzelis or Cody Williams will be the draft pick. I don't think there are going to be any major trades involving Duren or Ivey. I think they are going to run with what they have plus a few free agents.
FIRE MONTY!!! He never wanted the job(watch his introduction press conference last summer, the signs were there). Let's get somebody that wants to be in Detroit, and wants to make their mark with creative coaching and hard work. MONTY and his staff are tired....
Ku you are young pup in basketball that 2004 for Detroit team was the best defensive team in the history of the NBA. The hand checking rules allowed teams to play physical. No such thing during that GS run. Freedom of movement was instituted to make Curry and Durant the players they are today. Skilled but soft. So if the Detroit had to play by today's rule yeah GS would win but if you playing by 2004 rules Detroit would destroy that soft team. People act like Detroit didn't beat the a team with two of the most dominant players of a generation in Shaq and Kobe. Not top 15 players we are talking two top 6 players of all time. Which is a much harder feet than beating the cotton soft GS. Bro you really need study NBA history. Bro with that comment you should be banned from talking about Piston basketball for a little while. Lol.
They could defend GS well enough -- although defending sideline-to-sideline out to 30 feet is way different than just packing the paint and waiting for Kobe to brick 20 door jumpers. But they matchup well
But more importantly Detroit wouldn't be able to score. Draymond and Iguodala would all but take Billups out of the series. I'm not sure that 04 team could get to a 100 offensive rating against that GS team
Why everyone want Monte fired didn’t y’all want Casey gone
Every bad season needs a scapegoat. Monty will get fired in 2025.
Not going to lie everything was right on this. 04 Pistons and 16 Warriors would be good, but no one stopping KD. He's the X factor, Ben would be our X factor tho. It would be very interesting match-ups
I don’t think he really wanted to coach at the time they hired him and I’m paraphrasing, he said something like he could not turn down that offer. I did not really care for him when he was at Phoenix as I felt he could not make proper adjustments during the game. At times he looked lost when the other team was making a run etc. If he is not into coaching he should accept a buy out, and if he won’t take one, I would put him somewhere else within the organization and making him work instead of letting him walk with all that money. If they do that maybe he will change his mind and take the buyout etc
Billups would get steph in foul trouble in the paint. Klay gon be dog ass tired chasing rip and contribute little on offense. Draymond not gonna out rebound big ben just too damn strong. And Draymond cant do nothing with rasheed or memo on that perimeter. Not to mention our bench would blow theres out the water
As soon as media reported the new PoBO will have the power to fire the HC I knew Monty was coming back.
You don't need to announce a person has the power if he's going to use it.
Monty isn’t going anywhere! This team will never make all the right decisions and we should be used to it. I hate to say it but we have another year of bad lineups.
You know how I feel Ku, Fire bro! Lol let Monty go start a church
Every year there is a team in the west, and east, you see a huge jump.
Monty got his boss fired. He scuttled the 1st 22 games of the season starting Killian Hayes. He owns the league record for the longest single season losing streak. He rarely put his best players on the floor at the same time. He was running 10 man rotations and much much more.
Early last season we really did have a theory that the coach was doing all those nonsense things in a deliberate attempt at getting Weaver fired!
There's no such thing as a long term Coach. This is aplayers league. Owners don't allow fams to determine anything. No fan knows what was daid @ evit meetings. Relax😊
This is so true. Casey, at 5 years, was the Pistons second longer tenured coach. Firing Monty wouldn’t even make him the shortest tenured.
You make the argument that the warriors has arguably 2 of the top 10 players of all time and to that I say the lakers did with Shaq and kobe and look what we did to them, we beat em 4-1…..
The Dubs were better.
I'm not sure Curry is top ten. KD ain't close to top 10.
I always thought they should move in from Monty.
Most of the time, I ride with the East team in the finals but this year gotta go with Mavs. Cade's home team plus I'm a fan of Luka and Kyrie's game.
Always gon be imbiased and ride with the home team but i will add that a lot of people forget how deep that 04 team was. Most just look at the starting five. Our bench was no joke. The pit bulls (Lindsey Hunter and Mike James), Big Nasty, Okur. We were 9-10 men deep. Lost 3 key guys that off-season .
Had to resign Sheed so we lost Okur, who sign with Utah and became an all-star.
Couldn't afford to keep Mike James either. Had to let him walk too.
And Couldn't afford to keep Corliss Williams so they traded him.
If we brought back that same team we would've repeated for sure, if healthy.
Warriors bench would of got clamped up and ran out them gym.
2017 warriors beating the the 2004 pistons is fine but why did Drsymond single out the 2004 Pistons as the team to beat? That's where the disrespect come in. Don't hear him talking bout any other championship teams
You have to remember no other team sport has only five players on the floor and your starters play most of the minutes. So it only takes one or two players to have a huge impact on winning. Leaps in basketball are easier.
You not upsetting nobody pistons would loose but before Kd Pistons in 5
The East isn't that open... In 3 years? Yeah...
Wait, in three years....when Tatum is still only 29?!?!?
@@scottwickett1273 Tatum is but one man...
The second apron looms, and Brown already has a supermax...
3 years from now Boston will not have the same depth it does today...
@@JacobDrJIsrael That's true, if nothing else Horford and Jrue will be aging out.
That said, that Celts FO has done an amazing job recently, and therefore might be able to keep it going!
@@scottwickett1273 for sure. Would I be shocked if the Celtics are top 3 in the east in 3 years? No.
But I also recognize sports has a weird way of equalizing...
I don't know if I care about Atkinson or Borrego tbh. As long as Bickerstaff and Chris Quinn are still available, Trajan can gather all the intel he wants from Monty before firing or "promoting" him
I just hope Trajan is not being forced to keep him
One more thing. Trajan should be focused on the draft and the FA which are in THREE weeks. Guy's no time to work.
There's a lot of time to find a decent coach before the training camp starts
@@rafaelsantana4905but will there be any good coaches left on the market if he waits? It’s not like we are the only ones hiring. Get Monty out and someone named ASAP, and a GM with the same vision. Then draft and trade/sign accordingly.
@@cordelldemattei5446 is there any home run name out there? We can't compete with Lakers and Cavs and Gores (hopefully) won't break the bank again, so no need to rush this
If he's really good, he'll find real NBA players which any coach will like, but the window to do this is really really short
The NBA and the Refs are stopping the Pistons.
No, just the organizational dysfunction and poor coaching.
No, the Pistons are stopping the Pistons. They're fucked because they're stupid. We all hope that changes.
You are the man Ku, but what you are saying about the 17 warriors is what EVERYYONE said about the Lakers in 04 against the pistons too....
The 04 team played with an incredible togetherness on both ends. But the underrated part was their attention to detail in execution obviously on defense but on offense too. They had a lot of talent but the brand of ball they played was still greater than the sum of their parts and their parts were great. Their depth was also severely underrated. I'm bias of course and I won't argue that GS is more talented..but the 04 team beat teams that were more talented them because of all the above. People forget the very next year after they pounded LA with shaq and Kobe they beat Miami with shaq and dwade. I have no doubt that 04 team could beat a more talented warriors team.
That Dubs team is the best team in history, though.
Most talented team...yes. best is speculative.
@@piston5287 How?!?!? They mauled everyone in the playoffs, they were completely untouchable.
Not the 04 pistons though
I like Monty he was in an impossible situation
He made it that with terrible scheme and in game coaching terrible rotations
I honestly don’t think Monty SHOULD be fired. Why? Cause he didn’t turn mushed diarrhea dog shit into lemonade?
Nobody would succeed with that team last year. Phil Jackson would win 25 games with that team.
Give him capable nba players, then evaluate
Nope phoenix won in spite of his coaching cp3 was the real coach Monty just sat there and didn’t do shit he has to go.
@@ZuwoopPhoenix had CP3, Willie Green and Kevin Young coaching for Monty. Who does Detroit have?
@@ki2726 Stephen Silas 💀💀💀
@@ki2726which is why Monty needs to be fired. He is incapable of doing the job he was hired to do.
Any warm body could have won more games than Monty. He’ll, a dead body could have won more games. Monty actively hurt this team and the development of players. It doesn’t matter if the roster is good or bad, when a coach sabotages the team he must be let go.
Fire Monty hire rajon rondo as hc resign fronttechio and grimes trade stew sasser Three second for Wiggins and moody trade back in draft to 10-12 get kel'el ware in draft and trade two seconds to kings for Sasha vezenkov bolbol markelle fulks fulks in Free agency start
Cade
Moody
Fronttechio
Wiggins
Duren with bench of
Fulks/Ivey/grimes
Ivey/grimes/fulks
Asuar/sasha venzenkov
Sasha venzenkov/bolbol
Kel'el ware/bolbol
Monty can't coach young players. Yes, the Eastern Conference is open when Detroit get good
Why bring back Cade from less than 50 wins in 3 seasons?
Monty wasn't Troy's pick...
Monty was Tommy G's pick...
This complicates things...
Might have even influenced Langdon being the one getting the job...
But I wouldn't have taken a GM job if I wasn't allowed to pick a coach... Troy's 1st mistake, not insisting this...
I want to see what Monty could do with a competent roster.
Didn’t you see him underachieve and ostracize key players with the hornets and suns, same as he did with a bad team? He is just not a good coach and our roster is not as bad as he made it look with his misuse of talent.
Warriors not beating that 72-10 Bulls team youngsta 😂😂😂
Wrong. The 2017 Dubs are the best team in history.
@scottwickett1273 we can agree to disagree. Respectfully
@@alanhumphrey6613 No, you're wrong. And there is no agreeing to disagree (it's a stupid nonsense phrase), there is only disagreeing, which is fine.
@@scottwickett1273 fine...whatever you decide champ
@@alanhumphrey6613 I'm right! AND I'm old enough to have watched those Bulls teams.
LOL. Troy had over 4 years.
Monty had 1 year, hired late, ,and got no players to run his system.
Not even a close comparison. Clearly an emotional analysis that makes no since from a business leadership standpoint.
Monty is trash
@@yaquvyhardson3768
Articulate why with facts.
@@ronaldmcdonald1977 let's start with ...
THE OFFENSE
Detroit ran an offense straight out of 2014. It was basically the old Harden offense with 3 shooters and just pick and roll. No movement mind you. Just PnR. Except Detroit ran it with their two worst shooters (Killian and Ausar) on the weakside so that defenses could easily bring a third guy into the action while forcing shots from Detroit's worst shooters
We didn't start running Spain PnR for 30 games.
We rarely used Ausar as a roller. Didn't use toss plays to get Ivey downhill. Rarely used Cade's gravity off ball. Rarely ran guard to guard actions. Didn't utilize Ausar and Ivey on designed slot cuts. Didn't coach Ausar and Ivey to stampede. And generally ran an extremely stagnant offense that exploited the weaknesses of the roster.
It wasn't until March that offense looked somewhat modern. Still bad, but they were at least running pre-actions to loosen the defense and weren't completely sabotaging themselves
And the offense just didn't make much sense given the personnel. It's like he was too lazy to actually create an offense. (Which he likely was considering he said at one point he didn't watch film of the players before training camp.)
We starting pushing the pace for like a week, playing up tempo, then stopped
THE DEFENSE
The team generally looked lost all year with no urgency but the low point was when Monty decided to switch _everything_ for like three weeks. Teams could just call up the matchup they wanted and the team would willingly switch Ausar OFF their best player then make Isaiah Stewart to navigate screens. It was an absolute farce
THE ROTATIONS
The all bench lineups were a disaster all year. It was already a weak injury depleted roster. Why would you exacerbate the situation?
It wasn't until like March that Monty realized he could stagger Ivey and Cade. Beyond that he often played lineups that were DOA. Stewart at the five. Ausar at PF. Obviously _starting_ Killian Hayes and Isaiah Livers. (Simultaneously at one point.) And generally too many lineups with bad shooting in an offense that only works if you have good shooting
The GM had to tell him to play Jaden Ivey. The GM had to tell him to play literally the only player on the roster who could get paint touches.
He flat out refused to play Cade, Ivey, Ausar and Duren with Bogdanovic.
DEVELOPMENT
He did a terrible job at developing the players. Cade was the only one who saw any real growth and mainly I think he just shook off some rust. Ivey and Ausar were used as spot up shooters. Duren would try something for a few games then it would go away so idk what that was. There didn't seem to be any kind of plan to develop specific skills
That's just kind of the summary though because I've blocked out most of the specifics at this point.
It was probably the worst coaching job I've ever seen though. I completely agree when people say it felt like he was trying to get fired.
And considering his best years basically came with Chris Paul running his offense, I think it's safe to conclude Monty was never the brains of the operation and isn't the right guy to lead these guys.
Just start over. Clean slate.
When a coach is this bad you don't need to give him a second chance
@@michaelahurt
You made claims, but backed it with no stats.
Ill give you stats.
You said Monty ran an Offense out of 2014.
The previous year, the Offense was ranked less. So I guess that Offense under Casey was out of 1995?
The Offense brought back the same crappy players, and didnt have Burk or Bojan for the first half of the season. And yet ranked high across the board than the previous year under Casey.
MICHAELAHURT-"No movement, just Pick N Roll"
Pistons ran Pick N Roll 21% of the time. So you are already inaccurate sir. You said no movement, just Pick N Roll. You are wrong. We ran the ball more that 24 teams Sir.
MICHAELAHURT-"Just PnR. Except Detroit ran it with their two worst shooters (Killian and Ausar)"
Pistons couldnt have ran the pick N roll with their worse shooters, Killian only started 31 games out of 82 which is 37% of games, less than half. Ausar started 38 games out of 82.
So your analysis is the Pistons ran ONLY Pick N ROll, and did so with players who didn't even start half of the year? That makes no sense Sir.
MICHAELAHURT-"We rarely used Ausar as a roller. Didn't use toss plays to get Ivey downhill. Rarely used Cade's gravity off ball. Rarely ran guard to guard actions. Didn't utilize Ausar and Ivey on designed slot cuts. Didn't coach Ausar and Ivey to stampede. And generally ran an extremely stagnant offense that exploited the weaknesses of the roster."
WHat evidence do you have that any team would? Ausar nor Ivey is offensive focal points for any NBA team. This isn't a video game. Thats not how basketball works, no1 is designing plays to get Dennis Rodman open sir. Neither did they for Ausar. Ausar handled the ball and did what he chose to do with it.
Ivey was indecisive. Were you watching the same game?
MICHAELAHURT-"It wasn't until March that offense looked somewhat modern. Still bad, but they were at least running pre-actions to loosen the defense and weren't completely sabotaging themselves"
You mean after the trade deadline and Monty likely got NBA players who could play and wasn't 18 years old and knew their assignments?
WHat evidence do you have that the players weren't missing any assignments and running Montys offense incorrectly?
You obviously think the team ran mostly Pick N Rolls, when the evidence and stats dont support that. So maybe you didn't watch the game correctly.
MICHAELAHURT-"And the offense just didn't make much sense given the personnel. It's like he was too lazy to actually create an offense. (Which he likely was considering he said at one point he didn't watch film of the players before training camp.)"
Or maybe the players sucked enough in practice that he ran what he could with a bunch of kids and no veterans. And players who just dont fit.
Casey didn't have them working either. Can you explain how 2 winning Coaches failed with the same crappy players? Monty had it worse. Cade was coming off an injury, and Bogie their best weapon was hurt the first half of the season and so was Burk. Those were their 2 primary Veterans,
MICHAELAHURT-"We starting pushing the pace for like a week, playing up tempo, then stopped"
LOL. Pistons were one of the runniest teams in the league last year bro. You are making stuff up sir. I am not reading anything else bro, your assessment isn't accurate.
Pistons were #9 last year in pushing the ball and playing up tempo, you must have missed all those dunks and fast breaks being nulled to sleep with that imaginary Pick N ROll by Killian and Ausar you saw in your nightmares.
"GM had to tell him to play Ivey."
And we proceeded to lose another 30 games. LOL. YOU did not make a good case at all. Ivey doesn't fit, every1 is saying it now. Monty saw it in practice, and changed his game plan to fit the media, fans, and Ownership.
We still lost. When Ivey started the whole year damn near they won 17 games LMAO. Come on SIr, give me some stats, not emotions.
Ivey and Cade isnt a good match until Ivey learns to shoot. Atlanta cant even win with that silly backcourt and they have veterans. You think Kids can run it? Its a weak back court, and doesn't complement Cades game.
Monty sees that. You fans see video game stats.
I cant read the other stuff as you were making unsubstantiated claims based on emotions and not factual data.
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Additionally Detroit was #16 in Fast Break points.
Monty Off - 109
Monty Def - 119
Defensive rating - 26th
Pushing Pace - 9th
Fast Break Pts - 15th
Casey Off - 110
Casey Def - 118
Defensive rating - 28th
Pushing Pace - 13th
Fast Break Pts - 28th