I have a 2018 GL1800 Tour. I just recently had to have the bike towed after a ply separated in the OEM Dunlop rear tire during my vacation. I have seen this video before, so I was not concerned when the tow driver (a motorcyclist himself with 6 years experience towing motorcycles) tied it down by the handlebars. We even used the Canyon Dancer handlebar straps that I had with me for a good connection. He tied it down EXACTLY like you show in this video. Once we arrived at the shop and took it off the truck, the first thing I noticed is that the handlebars now wobbled up and down on both sides. Why? Because tying it down by the handlebars EXACTLY as you show damaged the steering crown/assembly underneath. Now I have to have that repaired in addition to a new rear tire installed. BTW, have you seen the notice on The Wrench (a newsletter for Honda technicians) dated May 2018? It says: (quote) "Do not attach any straps or tie downs to the handlebars as this can damage the heated grips and/or handlebar switch gear". I can send you a copy if you wish. Great video Max. Just bad advice. You really should remove this from the Internet, especially since you stated to Elliot Parsowith 3 months ago "We have since learned that there is ONE bike in the world you shouldn't tie down by the bars, and it is the 2018+ Goldwing." No one would see that unless they dug through all the comments. - Mike
Hi Michael, Sorry about your tire, that's a bummer. It's important to note that all 2018 Goldwings were improperly assembled at Honda, and thus damaged by Honda, not by you or your tow truck driver. How you tied the bike down may have been the final straw, but your bike was already damaged, and Honda will repair it under warranty. You might also consider replacing the aluminum spindle with the stainless steel one we make while the bike is apart. I have thought about taking this video down, but there's so much good info in it. Most people with the new Goldwing have purchased Goldstrike tie down hooks, and now Kuryakyn has a set as well. I recommend both to our customers.
@@Traxxion Max, you are absolutely right. I have since learned that Honda issued a product bulletin about the steering issue and will fix it for free. Why they did not tell me about it during the almost 3 years that I have owned the motorcycle I don't know. Maybe they wait until you have a problem to inform you. If I use your stainless steel steering spindle instead of the Honda aluminum one, do I need the spindle (SKU 18GLT-SSSS), the steering safety pin (SKU GL18T-SSP) and the steering stem nut (SKU 18GLT-SSSK)? And yes, after reading your response, I immediately purchased a set of Goldstrike tie down brackets. Thanks for the info! - Mike
@@michaellynch2559 if you have that list of parts, you will have the most bomb-proof steering setup on Earth. Also, it will allow you to use the original 76 ft/lb torque spec Honda uses on the 01-17 bike with steel spindles. The 2018+ updated spec lowered that torque to 51 ft/lbs for the hollow aluminum spindle.
I cannot believe this video is still up. Checkout Max's 2020 video where he documents a fatigue failure due to tying down a 2018+ Goldwing by the handlebars. Fast forward to 10:18 on this link: th-cam.com/video/TRzde_Ery5o/w-d-xo.html
I sure appreciate your in-site you always provide on your channel. I wish I was near you I would really like to get your suspension on my 2019. Thank you
I did that two times and both times the handle bars loosening up, due to the wishbone front end. I found out the best way for me was to get the tie down brackets from Honda that mount lower to the frame and solid to the bike.
Seat belt cushion protectors are great for putting over the tie down straps to prevent chafing. Those furry things that open up and have a velcro closure. I also use them over the transom straps on my boat to protect the finish.
great video like all the rest of your presentations. Would have been cool to see how to strap the bike down using the tie down brackets under the front engine guards and the rear luggage guards.
Thank you for posting this. Just ordered a new GW and I’ve been worrying about how it’s going to be transported home (in England). I’ve read about this online especially on forums.
@@Traxxion the little black covers, front and rear on both sides, engine and luggage guards if you will, conceal the tie down hooks from the factory. I found this out after i bought the pair from goldstrike. oh well!
Max, one of your bright installers mentioned to me how easy it would be if the new steel spindles could have the upper internal hollow machined to accept a socket extension or large hex key to allow the spindle to be held.
It presents its own problem, as we then would have to make a hex key safety pin. You'll really only require the help of an assistant for a few minutes, and applying any amount of torque above 50 to a free floating spindle will be very hard to do by yourself, regardless. We have a couple of hundred spindles made, we'll see how fast they sell and judge then. Watch the news... we have Broken Spindle #2 coming into our shop in a few days...
I have a 2018 Tour Model with only 6k miles. It has only be trailered one time when I bought it and trailered it home about 450 miles. Last fall, I noticed a bit of play in the handle bars, mostly when going over the RR tracks near my home. Upon inspection, I found my steering crown nut was loose in a big way. I was pretty shocked. I also had very little final drive gear oil when I changed it at around 5k miles. Pretty surprised coming from Honda. 🙊🙈
There was a "Service Bulletin" from Honda for 2018 models for your problem. That almost certainly means your steering spindle has been damaged. The crown nuts were torqued for steel threads, and the spindle is made of aluminum. If you haven't had it inspected by a Dealer, you need to. Also, check out my videos on this topic: Steering Spindle I have a patented safety pin, and a replacement stainless steel spindle for sale as well.
Hello Max. I've owned two GW in my lifetime and a few occasions had to trailer. Last time was a return trip to Ga from Arkansas after finishing up a job contract there for a couple of years. Strapped and tied down very much like you're showing and have never had any problems. As for the new GW, I first laid eyes on one there at Traxxion. I imagine they will be like the GW of the past. Great machines but always room for improvements. Great vid. Entertaining as well as informative for anybody that 'doesn't get it'.
No problem! We have since learned that 2018 bikes have a crown nut that was overtorqued at the factory, and that towing the bike tied down by the bars can cause the nut to strip the steering spindle. It is a free update your Honda dealer should provide. 2019 or later bikes are fine. Presently, we recommend using BOTH Goldstrike and Kuryakyn tie down hooks on 2018+ Wings to prevent any problems.
This is a bit of a misunderstood myth. Seals don't blow from pressure, as the fork is designed to travel to mechanical bottom out with out damaging the seals. Seals can leak from having the bike tied down too tightly from causing the two halves of the forks to cock against each other with great pressure which puts great pressure, and then wear, on one side of the fork seals, and then they will begin to leak... but this doesn't happen in a short tow. It happens from a long distance or many long distance tows with the bike cranked down.
This was helpful not only for trailering... but also for tie downs on Ferries across open water.... Recently travelled to Newfoundland and tied down the handle bars.... I wondered if this was safe. The only difference is that you are positioning the bike on the kick stand not the centre stand.... Thanks for the video....
Max McAllister On a ferry... You need rubber on the steel surface of the vessel.... If you placed it on a centre stand. It would more easily slide. It is generally accepted to place the bike on the side stand on a ferry.... Then strap it down and compress the suspension. Of course there are no chocks on these ferries.
How about using the 2 holes in the frame below the seat for tie down points ? I've seen HDs with a brkt. On the front forks that makes a good tie down point . Would be nice on the 18 and newer GWs.
Installed the Goldstrike tie downs this weekend. Thought my SoCal pathfinder headlights might interfere. They do not but had to loosen them to get the bottom retention bold out. Solid as a rock.
I used to be a Professional Tow Operator here in Australia . Also a Motorcyclist . Those are Definitely the Correct type of strap . Ratchet too much . I however would TRY to attach to Un-sprung Parts of the Bike and just PULL Hard on the Straps . Zero movement or Galling if done right .
I just came across your page a couple weeks ago. Im liking everything I am seeing done on the new Goldwing. I have a 2014 Valkyrie and would love to see you guys do something with that.
When my '18 Wing was delivered to my home from 110 miles away, it was tied down to the trailer with a Condor chock and tie downs to the handlebar. No other straps. The delivery guy says that's how they do it all the time. Getting ready to trailer mine about 500 miles to a rally because thunderstorms all along the way and my wife's back isn't as young and pain free anymore.
We have since learned that there is ONE bike in the world you shouldn't tie down by the bars, and it is the 2018+ Goldwing. You need to buy the tie down hooks from either Goldstrike or Kuryakyn. They are on my site at www.traxxion.com
@@Traxxion thanks to your video on the Kuryakn and others on the Goldstrike I was on a trip and stopped by Shroader's in Hendersonville, NC and purchased a set of both. Until I install them I did the trip by making a slip knot with soft ties around the steering housing and also put some ratchet straps around the passenger floorboard mounts. '18 Wing and so far so good doing that. The brackets will go on tomorrow. I didn't use the handlebar tie downs at all. Didn't seem like a good idea!
And some chocks set the bike rock solid even without straps, but I strap any way. In this model of bike, there are strong frame holes right under the seat that accept most strap hooks, Its where Honda had the straps in the shipping crates. No need to remove the seat, but do remove the Tupperware side covers that just pull off when the bags are open,
I just purchased a new 2019 GW I did notice the holes in the frame. And it looked like a good place to hook the strap. Do you use the goldstrike brkts in front ? I have the canyon dancer's but will probably only apply enough pressure to back up the goldstrike tie downs. Im super cautious about hauling in a enclosed trailer behind our 5th wheel camper going from Iowa to Texas for the winter . My email is mmundell72@yahoo.com, if you have time to respond . Thanks.
@@NoWay-xu1ie My set-up is Condor aluminum chock, GoldStrike front mounts, straps to those rear frame sections, plus modestly snug canyon dancer. If going far and expect rough roads I put one of those heavy duty zip ties tightly around front tire and upright post of the chock (the big zip ties are easy to release and re-use. I will probably go Max's steel pintle in future.
Dropping real world facts. In 23 years of riding and tying bikes down I've always used the handlebars in some fashion. I also always use cam straps. So many of my riding buddies comment on the dangers of cam strap failure and I can see where someone may have that fear but, I've never had an issue ever with a cam strap. Good advice sir and I'm glad to see you put it out there.
Max McAllister Ahhh, a simple yet great idea. I've always used a generic knot on the slack strapping but what you're explaining would be more simple to remove when done and more clean from the start. Thanks man
Kevin...I've had cheapo cam straps loosen up in the rain when the strap gets wet. I now use Ancra cam straps, which cost a little more, but they stay tight even when wet. And fifteen years later they hold as good as when they were new. I also do the half knot trick.
blipco5 Thanks for the heads up man. I can't recall what brand I bought all this years ago. I've been using the same two sets of four for probably 10-12 years. Again thank you for the recommendation because I will take that in to account.
Kevin...I'm sure there may be other good brands out there. But the Ancra is a good brand, look for them. I bought a bike unexpectedly once (stumbled upon a great deal when I wasn't even looking) so we loaded into my pickup truck and I bought some tie downs at Home Depot. They were 4 for $9.99 in a package. Awful and chintzy compared to the Ancra.
I've used cam straps for many years. I found hooking a tarp strap on the loose end and just enough tension to keep it tight. I've never had a issue with any of my road bikes coming loose. And I don't have to crush the suspension. Someday I hope to get condor wheel chock but for now I will have to use my Harbor freight chock.
It is harder, but you can remove the side covers and use a soft strap wrapped throught the frame. This is how they are shipped from Honda. Or another nice convenience of our Passenger Grab Rail Kit is that they are a very secure place to tie your bike down from.
Also, I stated in the video I was using the backrest out of convenience to speed up the demonstration. I don't like to have straps touch the saddle or the paint.
Nice Balance!!! I have 2 140KTX Dirt bikes, I strap down with the handlebars on a trailer with only HD leaf springs. Would well, I've been doing that for years, no issues. I do not put the kickstand's down. I would have no problem tying my 2014 Valkyrie the same way. Some nice tips on the ratchet straps! Cheers!
A comment was made about when fairings interfere with straps. I saw a new way off strapping that was done at the bottom triple tree, which is much stronger than any handlebar. Won't work on this front suspension type, but on the majority of bikes it would.
Thanks Max, I think a key component here is that, on the front, you are not using the $14 cam-straps we see at Wally-world or Tractor Supply....they appear to be 2 inches wide? I have always used the wide ratchet-straps and about 50% of the shock travel because I did not trust the cams...obviously, I also did not think about performing the tests you just did... I'm definitely on the hunt for some new straps! The "rumor" in my neck of the woods is that if you bottom out the shocks with the straps, you'll blow out the fork seals...something else I have not yet done nor seen....
I like the bowtie; saw that in your earlier video! I've spent too much time untying "knots", which also got wet, made by by son! I've very come close to cutting them out...when will kids learn? He turns 22 tomorrow....
So Max, this is not true anymore is it? since this video, aired back in 2018 theres been cases where the steering stem has broken, leaving the rider unable to control or steer the bike, that's why you developed the safety pin, right?
The front ones from Goldstrike are nice. For the rear, I see people usually removed the side covers and route a long soft tie strap through the main frame and then put a regular tie down strap on it.
On a trip recently, for the rear I looped the straps of a tie down around the passenger floorboard mount. It was perfect for my trailer. For the front I made a slip knot out of soft ties and put them around the steering housing. No problem, but have since bought the Kuraykan u-bolt bracket and the Goldstrike one. I'll use both of those and the floorboard mount in the future.
Max, another great presentation. It always amazes me how so many people have to be slapped in the face before they can understand the realities of life… hammer the obvious into their simple minds before they can comprehend the subject matter. And, those same people have an actual mother and an actual father somewhere; such “beings” were allowed to reproduce. Again, Max, thank you for having a wonderful analytical mind.
Not a bad demonstration but put that new Goldwing on a trailer without that front wheel chock tie it down the way you had it and web down the road on curves and some off-road or rough and bumpy roads let's see if that bike still standing been there done it. The front wheel chock makes the world tie-down golden. GeForce going down the road when you have to Swerve out of the way to prevent an accident going to move that bike more than you think without that front wheel chock and good tie down method. Record video. As for handle bar damage your so right. Honda needs to fix the nut so it does not come loose.
i have always tied down using the bars on my other bikes but my fear of using the bars on my 2018 gold wing is damage to the hand grip heaters which are not spoke of here. is it possible to damage them?
@@MsRubbersidedown The dealer may have installed them. A lot of dealers are doing that to make it easier to load. But there is no stock tie down points on any Goldwing after 2018.
I have a 2018 GL1800 Tour. I just recently had to have the bike towed after a ply separated in the OEM Dunlop rear tire during my vacation. I have seen this video before, so I was not concerned when the tow driver (a motorcyclist himself with 6 years experience towing motorcycles) tied it down by the handlebars. We even used the Canyon Dancer handlebar straps that I had with me for a good connection. He tied it down EXACTLY like you show in this video. Once we arrived at the shop and took it off the truck, the first thing I noticed is that the handlebars now wobbled up and down on both sides. Why? Because tying it down by the handlebars EXACTLY as you show damaged the steering crown/assembly underneath. Now I have to have that repaired in addition to a new rear tire installed.
BTW, have you seen the notice on The Wrench (a newsletter for Honda technicians) dated May 2018? It says: (quote) "Do not attach any straps or tie downs to the handlebars as this can damage the heated grips and/or handlebar switch gear". I can send you a copy if you wish.
Great video Max. Just bad advice. You really should remove this from the Internet, especially since you stated to Elliot Parsowith 3 months ago "We have since learned that there is ONE bike in the world you shouldn't tie down by the bars, and it is the 2018+ Goldwing." No one would see that unless they dug through all the comments. - Mike
Hi Michael, Sorry about your tire, that's a bummer. It's important to note that all 2018 Goldwings were improperly assembled at Honda, and thus damaged by Honda, not by you or your tow truck driver. How you tied the bike down may have been the final straw, but your bike was already damaged, and Honda will repair it under warranty. You might also consider replacing the aluminum spindle with the stainless steel one we make while the bike is apart.
I have thought about taking this video down, but there's so much good info in it. Most people with the new Goldwing have purchased Goldstrike tie down hooks, and now Kuryakyn has a set as well. I recommend both to our customers.
@@Traxxion Max, you are absolutely right. I have since learned that Honda issued a product bulletin about the steering issue and will fix it for free. Why they did not tell me about it during the almost 3 years that I have owned the motorcycle I don't know. Maybe they wait until you have a problem to inform you.
If I use your stainless steel steering spindle instead of the Honda aluminum one, do I need the spindle (SKU 18GLT-SSSS), the steering safety pin (SKU GL18T-SSP) and the steering stem nut (SKU 18GLT-SSSK)? And yes, after reading your response, I immediately purchased a set of Goldstrike tie down brackets. Thanks for the info! - Mike
@@michaellynch2559 if you have that list of parts, you will have the most bomb-proof steering setup on Earth. Also, it will allow you to use the original 76 ft/lb torque spec Honda uses on the 01-17 bike with steel spindles. The 2018+ updated spec lowered that torque to 51 ft/lbs for the hollow aluminum spindle.
I cannot believe this video is still up. Checkout Max's 2020 video where he documents a fatigue failure due to tying down a 2018+ Goldwing by the handlebars. Fast forward to 10:18 on this link: th-cam.com/video/TRzde_Ery5o/w-d-xo.html
TH-cam is a great source for information. I have seen many tie down scenarios. You make a lot of sense. Good observation on the double suspension.
I appreciate that!
Really great review. Just for the advice on ratchet straps alone was A+ knowledge. The standing on the bars was the frosting. Great job!
Stand on them outside of fork mounts...
I sure appreciate your in-site you always provide on your channel. I wish I was near you I would really like to get your suspension on my 2019. Thank you
If you have a Goldwing, you are close to anywhere!
Excellent job, again. I was cracking up when you stood on the handlebars.
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I did that two times and both times the handle bars loosening up, due to the wishbone front end. I found out the best way for me was to get the tie down brackets from Honda that mount lower to the frame and solid to the bike.
Honda doesn't make any brackets that I know of. The company that makes mounts for the lower front of the frame is Goldstrike.
Dispelling myths is great!
Chafing where the strap rubs the seat is the only problem I've had trailering my bike in the past
Seat belt cushion protectors are great for putting over the tie down straps to prevent chafing. Those furry things that open up and have a velcro closure. I also use them over the transom straps on my boat to protect the finish.
great video like all the rest of your presentations. Would have been cool to see how to strap the bike down using the tie down brackets under the front engine guards and the rear luggage guards.
Next time!
Thank you for posting this. Just ordered a new GW and I’ve been worrying about how it’s going to be transported home (in England). I’ve read about this online especially on forums.
The best way is to buy either the Goldstrike frame mounted tie down hooks, or the Kuryakyn tie down hook.
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@@Traxxion the little black covers, front and rear on both sides, engine and luggage guards if you will, conceal the tie down hooks from the factory. I found this out after i bought the pair from goldstrike. oh well!
Max, one of your bright installers mentioned to me how easy it would be if the new steel spindles could have the upper internal hollow machined to accept a socket extension or large hex key to allow the spindle to be held.
It presents its own problem, as we then would have to make a hex key safety pin. You'll really only require the help of an assistant for a few minutes, and applying any amount of torque above 50 to a free floating spindle will be very hard to do by yourself, regardless. We have a couple of hundred spindles made, we'll see how fast they sell and judge then.
Watch the news... we have Broken Spindle #2 coming into our shop in a few days...
@@Traxxion Fair enought about seeing how it goes. "OH NO!" About having a broken spindle coming in.
I have a 2018 Tour Model with only 6k miles. It has only be trailered one time when I bought it and trailered it home about 450 miles. Last fall, I noticed a bit of play in the handle bars, mostly when going over the RR tracks near my home. Upon inspection, I found my steering crown nut was loose in a big way. I was pretty shocked. I also had very little final drive gear oil when I changed it at around 5k miles. Pretty surprised coming from Honda. 🙊🙈
There was a "Service Bulletin" from Honda for 2018 models for your problem. That almost certainly means your steering spindle has been damaged. The crown nuts were torqued for steel threads, and the spindle is made of aluminum. If you haven't had it inspected by a Dealer, you need to.
Also, check out my videos on this topic: Steering Spindle
I have a patented safety pin, and a replacement stainless steel spindle for sale as well.
Hello Max. I've owned two GW in my lifetime and a few occasions had to trailer. Last time was a return trip to Ga from Arkansas after finishing up a job contract there for a couple of years. Strapped and tied down very much like you're showing and have never had any problems. As for the new GW, I first laid eyes on one there at Traxxion. I imagine they will be like the GW of the past. Great machines but always room for improvements. Great vid. Entertaining as well as informative for anybody that 'doesn't get it'.
You learned me brother! Great video!
Great video! Thanks for dispelling that myth.
No problem! We have since learned that 2018 bikes have a crown nut that was overtorqued at the factory, and that towing the bike tied down by the bars can cause the nut to strip the steering spindle. It is a free update your Honda dealer should provide. 2019 or later bikes are fine.
Presently, we recommend using BOTH Goldstrike and Kuryakyn tie down hooks on 2018+ Wings to prevent any problems.
My service manager said tying down at the handle bars could blow the fork seals if too tight.
This is a bit of a misunderstood myth. Seals don't blow from pressure, as the fork is designed to travel to mechanical bottom out with out damaging the seals. Seals can leak from having the bike tied down too tightly from causing the two halves of the forks to cock against each other with great pressure which puts great pressure, and then wear, on one side of the fork seals, and then they will begin to leak... but this doesn't happen in a short tow. It happens from a long distance or many long distance tows with the bike cranked down.
Great info! I see others cranking their bikes down too far and not leaving any suspension travel.
how is this still up? you have videos SHOWING damage to handbar's pivot
Excellent demonstration, Max. Thanks!
This was helpful not only for trailering... but also for tie downs on Ferries across open water.... Recently travelled to Newfoundland and tied down the handle bars.... I wondered if this was safe. The only difference is that you are positioning the bike on the kick stand not the centre stand.... Thanks for the video....
Max McAllister On a ferry... You need rubber on the steel surface of the vessel.... If you placed it on a centre stand. It would more easily slide. It is generally accepted to place the bike on the side stand on a ferry.... Then strap it down and compress the suspension. Of course there are no chocks on these ferries.
How about using the 2 holes in the frame below the seat for tie down points ?
I've seen HDs with a brkt. On the front forks that makes a good tie down point . Would be nice on the 18 and newer GWs.
Lots of people use the holes below the seat in the frame.
Goldstrike is selling tie down hooks for the front by the truckload.
Installed the Goldstrike tie downs this weekend. Thought my SoCal pathfinder headlights might interfere. They do not but had to loosen them to get the bottom retention bold out. Solid as a rock.
@@SecurityBob Nice product.
I have tying my bikes like that for 30years plus. Never a problem what so ever 🙂👍
Great job Max going to pick up 2019 goldwing today.
I used to be a Professional Tow Operator here in Australia . Also a Motorcyclist . Those are Definitely the Correct type of strap . Ratchet too much .
I however would TRY to attach to Un-sprung Parts of the Bike and just PULL Hard on the Straps . Zero movement or Galling if done right .
I just came across your page a couple weeks ago. Im liking everything I am seeing done on the new Goldwing. I have a 2014 Valkyrie and would love to see you guys do something with that.
Me too! Love the sound of it!
When my '18 Wing was delivered to my home from 110 miles away, it was tied down to the trailer with a Condor chock and tie downs to the handlebar. No other straps. The delivery guy says that's how they do it all the time. Getting ready to trailer mine about 500 miles to a rally because thunderstorms all along the way and my wife's back isn't as young and pain free anymore.
We have since learned that there is ONE bike in the world you shouldn't tie down by the bars, and it is the 2018+ Goldwing. You need to buy the tie down hooks from either Goldstrike or Kuryakyn. They are on my site at www.traxxion.com
@@Traxxion thanks to your video on the Kuryakn and others on the Goldstrike I was on a trip and stopped by Shroader's in Hendersonville, NC and purchased a set of both. Until I install them I did the trip by making a slip knot with soft ties around the steering housing and also put some ratchet straps around the passenger floorboard mounts. '18 Wing and so far so good doing that. The brackets will go on tomorrow. I didn't use the handlebar tie downs at all. Didn't seem like a good idea!
And some chocks set the bike rock solid even without straps, but I strap any way. In this model of bike, there are strong frame holes right under the seat that accept most strap hooks, Its where Honda had the straps in the shipping crates. No need to remove the seat, but do remove the Tupperware side covers that just pull off when the bags are open,
I just purchased a new 2019 GW
I did notice the holes in the frame.
And it looked like a good place to hook the strap.
Do you use the goldstrike brkts in front ?
I have the canyon dancer's but will probably only apply enough pressure to back up the goldstrike tie downs. Im super cautious about hauling in a enclosed trailer behind our 5th wheel camper going from Iowa to Texas for the winter .
My email is mmundell72@yahoo.com, if you have time to respond .
Thanks.
@@NoWay-xu1ie My set-up is Condor aluminum chock, GoldStrike front mounts, straps to those rear frame sections, plus modestly snug canyon dancer. If going far and expect rough roads I put one of those heavy duty zip ties tightly around front tire and upright post of the chock (the big zip ties are easy to release and re-use. I will probably go Max's steel pintle in future.
Dropping real world facts. In 23 years of riding and tying bikes down I've always used the handlebars in some fashion. I also always use cam straps. So many of my riding buddies comment on the dangers of cam strap failure and I can see where someone may have that fear but, I've never had an issue ever with a cam strap. Good advice sir and I'm glad to see you put it out there.
Max McAllister
Ahhh, a simple yet great idea. I've always used a generic knot on the slack strapping but what you're explaining would be more simple to remove when done and more clean from the start. Thanks man
Kevin...I've had cheapo cam straps loosen up in the rain when the strap gets wet. I now use Ancra cam straps, which cost a little more, but they stay tight even when wet. And fifteen years later they hold as good as when they were new. I also do the half knot trick.
blipco5
Thanks for the heads up man. I can't recall what brand I bought all this years ago. I've been using the same two sets of four for probably 10-12 years. Again thank you for the recommendation because I will take that in to account.
Kevin...I'm sure there may be other good brands out there. But the Ancra is a good brand, look for them. I bought a bike unexpectedly once (stumbled upon a great deal when I wasn't even looking) so we loaded into my pickup truck and I bought some tie downs at Home Depot. They were 4 for $9.99 in a package. Awful and chintzy compared to the Ancra.
I've used cam straps for many years. I found hooking a tarp strap on the loose end and just enough tension to keep it tight.
I've never had a issue with any of my road bikes coming loose.
And I don't have to crush the suspension. Someday I hope to get condor wheel chock but for now I will have to use my Harbor freight chock.
Thanks Max, great video
So I see the back tie downs you hooked to the driver back rest. What if you do not have the back rest? Thanks Max.
It is harder, but you can remove the side covers and use a soft strap wrapped throught the frame. This is how they are shipped from Honda. Or another nice convenience of our Passenger Grab Rail Kit is that they are a very secure place to tie your bike down from.
Also, I stated in the video I was using the backrest out of convenience to speed up the demonstration. I don't like to have straps touch the saddle or the paint.
Nice Balance!!! I have 2 140KTX Dirt bikes, I strap down with the handlebars on a trailer with only HD leaf springs. Would well, I've been doing that for years, no issues. I do not put the kickstand's down. I would have no problem tying my 2014 Valkyrie the same way. Some nice tips on the ratchet straps! Cheers!
You do it, I have seen a handlebar ripped out, but hey, you are the “pro”
A comment was made about when fairings interfere with straps. I saw a new way off strapping that was done at the bottom triple tree, which is much stronger than any handlebar. Won't work on this front suspension type, but on the majority of bikes it would.
I always have those seat belt comfort pads to put over the straps to avoid chafing or rubbing.
I usually use the handlebars unless the straps rub bodywork. In that case I use the lower triple clamp.
Great Thank you and transporting my 2018 and greatly appreciate your video 4 straps will do it? You guys are such great help. thank you.
Thanks Max, I think a key component here is that, on the front, you are not using the $14 cam-straps we see at Wally-world or Tractor Supply....they appear to be 2 inches wide? I have always used the wide ratchet-straps and about 50% of the shock travel because I did not trust the cams...obviously, I also did not think about performing the tests you just did... I'm definitely on the hunt for some new straps! The "rumor" in my neck of the woods is that if you bottom out the shocks with the straps, you'll blow out the fork seals...something else I have not yet done nor seen....
I like the bowtie; saw that in your earlier video! I've spent too much time untying "knots", which also got wet, made by by son! I've very come close to cutting them out...when will kids learn? He turns 22 tomorrow....
Great demonstration. On bikes with a lot of plastic sometimes you have no choice. Have you ever seen anybody break a throttle tube?
Max....I like the Canyon Dancer with the cup ends. By the way, standing on those bars...you have pretty good balance.
Great thank you and where are the passenger grips for the 2018 you are fabricating?/
So Max, this is not true anymore is it? since this video, aired back in 2018 theres been cases where the steering stem has broken, leaving the rider unable to control or steer the bike, that's why you developed the safety pin, right?
This is fair to say, but only as it applies to the 2018+ Honda Goldwing. Every other motorcycle on Earth, this is all still true.
And so far, the steering that has broken on Wings has been on bikes that were trailered "at some point" in their life by the bars.
I have the same bike...2018 dct tour
What's the best way for the rear tie down points. I am using a stinger XL trailer and it seems a little awkward.
Please help....😁
I added front tie down points from a company called goldstrike.
The front ones from Goldstrike are nice. For the rear, I see people usually removed the side covers and route a long soft tie strap through the main frame and then put a regular tie down strap on it.
I have also just routed a strap into the groove of the passenger floorboard, and then tied it to itself and then pull that down to a tie point.
On a trip recently, for the rear I looped the straps of a tie down around the passenger floorboard mount. It was perfect for my trailer. For the front I made a slip knot out of soft ties and put them around the steering housing. No problem, but have since bought the Kuraykan u-bolt bracket and the Goldstrike one. I'll use both of those and the floorboard mount in the future.
Wow, great demo and video!
Max, another great presentation.
It always amazes me how so many people have to be slapped in the face before they can understand the realities of life… hammer the obvious into their simple minds before they can comprehend the subject matter. And, those same people have an actual mother and an actual father somewhere; such “beings” were allowed to reproduce.
Again, Max, thank you for having a wonderful analytical mind.
I would never...
Excellent! Now I hope I never need to know this!
For real!
Hello,
Can you tell me what seat rest you have on your goldwing. Also is that seat rest adjustable?
LOL standing on the bars was a pretty funny.
Great video Max, very informative.
Now That's Real There..
Educate em’ Max.
Once in a while...
excellent video
Indian Larry and now we have Indian Max....hahaha!!!
Not a bad demonstration but put that new Goldwing on a trailer without that front wheel chock tie it down the way you had it and web down the road on curves and some off-road or rough and bumpy roads let's see if that bike still standing been there done it. The front wheel chock makes the world tie-down golden. GeForce going down the road when you have to Swerve out of the way to prevent an accident going to move that bike more than you think without that front wheel chock and good tie down method. Record video. As for handle bar damage your so right. Honda needs to fix the nut so it does not come loose.
I have an open basic front chock and strap the front tire to it. Also have a condor type but backing a Wing out of it is a pain.
i have always tied down using the bars on my other bikes but my fear of using the bars on my 2018 gold wing is damage to the hand grip heaters which are not spoke of here. is it possible to damage them?
A future as a trick rider?
No chance, my bones are no longer young...
Great video 👍🏼
Max; A+ Good one! Loved it.
Another good one!
thanks Max
Why not just use the tiedown points that are already on the bike instead of all this nonsense
There are no tie down points on the bike, unless you install aftermarket products, or spend a lot of time removing covers and bodywork.
Not sure what you’re talking about. Mine had tiedown attachment points that were stock ,I have a 2023 tour.
@@MsRubbersidedown The dealer may have installed them. A lot of dealers are doing that to make it easier to load. But there is no stock tie down points on any Goldwing after 2018.
The seats are HORRIBLE you can NOT go for more than an hour on the bike without your ass hurting !!!!!
Lol. You are so lost.