Church Organist Walks Out During Homophobic Sermon.
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- While serving as an organist at the local Adventist church in LaCombe Alberta, Jason Biel was audience to a particularly homophobic sermon. In that moment, he knew he had two choices - to stay or to leave.
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When I found myself pregnant at 16 years old, my pastor decided to preach a sermon on fornication and how I was going to go to hell when I died. I was so embarrassed, and I wish I had been mature enough to walk out. In adulthood, I avoid churches and religion whenever possible. It was a traumatic experience.
Dusty Glover
Mean spirited people... are loud, and terrible and perpetually insensitive to others, close, or far.
Happy days for all, you too, are deserved.
Some pastors are fucking assholes
My heart goes out to you
I have found in my life that the so called 'religious' people around me, tend to be the least friendly, least accepting and the most judgemental people on this Earth, no wonder people are deserting religion
I'm so sorry that "religious" people act so hatefully and pretend it's for Gd. (Over the years people have expected that sort of 💩 from me!) Gd loves and accepts us all as we are. It's our fellow humans that are closed minded.
Whether you do religion or not, hopefully we all find loving, accepting support systems to be part of.
Gd bless! ❤️🙏🌈
As a straight man, I really don't get other people being threatened by homosexuals. Why? I mean what does it take away from you?
They give excuses most heterosexuals are guilty of themselves.
It's not only homosexuality. As a mixed-raced person, I learned at an early age that many people despise anyone fundamentally different from themselves. A truth illustrating one of the darker sides of human nature.
@@artistsos-previews6967 I don't get that either. I mean if black people had claws and fangs, I'd understand. But they don't (or they're retractible and my friends have kept it a secret from me) ;)
@@sab1751 oh thats not just black people
Any supposedly straight man who rails against gays is in all probability gay himself. I've seen it time and time again.
"For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing"
Simon Weisenthal
We need to be doing a lot more.
Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV)
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
@Steven bent1 If you would objectively take the time to study and understand the Bible, you would find out that everything you mention has been addressed over the centuries, and shown that there are no discrepancies whatsoever in the Bible. The most evil people on the planet have still never been able to disprove God's True Word, the Holy Bible. Anyone who isn't already biased and prejudiced in their heart about knowing God's truth will be able to "see" and understand God's message, but, those who in actuality refuse God's free plan of salvation have hearts that are against God. Bottom line....it is all true, all of the Bible is true, because there can only be true justice for evil men by the Almighty God's final judgement, where the good will receive their reward and the evil will receive eternal punishment. It's so very clear. As for me, I choose life through Christ, and we all have free will to make our own choice. It's actually a "no-brainer"; and of course, I have nothing to lose, and you have EVERYTHING to lose. Cheers.
Wiesenthal is a great man no doubt, but the expression is lifted from Edmund Burke.
Steven bent1: Well done. If your aim was to make sure that you are not plagiarized, you have succeeded in that most plagiarized works are comprehensible.
@@brha2367 if you beliave in a imaginary being is other thing, it is your problem...
I would have walked out too and I am heterosexual.
Alan Heath me too
As then might be accused of being not straight or a LGBT supporter and then bullied or worse.
That’s god damn right
Sesshomaru Uzumaki Actually it's a lifestyle of holiness. If the preacher were to preach against adultery should all the adulterers leave? What if he preaches against fornication, should all the fornicators leave? If you're in a church and you know what's in the bible you should expect the possibility of being offended if you're engaged in what the bible calls sin. The preacher wasn't targeting this guy.
TheMeefive Here is the problem.. the things you mentioned has the potential to actually hurt people. To be holy is to be able to own other humans, Stone people to death for wearing mixed fabrics, and women are to be silent. The Bible is not a source for morality.
I would have started playing “It’s Raining Men, Hallelujah” on the organ before I walked out.
You've played many atune on an ORGAN haven't you sweetheart?
Mike 😂🤣😅
Montana Rifleman No, but my favorite song is ‘Your Tulips on my Organ’
@ Wow , you sound like a really good christian.
Good one!
When two of my children came out, we were politely asked to leave our church. The damage these people cause is unbelievable.
At least they asked politely
Last week I asked our priest if he supported the LGBTQ+ (he doesn't know I'm a lesbian) and he said "Love whoever you wanna love, I mean it's not hurting anybody". I wish everyone felt that way, what's so hard to understand??
It is amazingly audacious for them to think they are spiritual.
That is not a godly church
Why would you even want to associate with people like that? That's what I cannot understand. They are entitled to their beliefs. But you aren't obligated to swallow them.
The softest voice, but a strong heart.
I love his voice. It's so soothing there's no need for meditation.
Paul-Singh Gurth Crying baby !
@@frankpusok9617
Shut up
Very pleasant...I think the voice is such an important point in compatibility 😁
Lol. Good one
Shakespeare was certainly correct when he said the Devil can quote the scriptures too.
He certainly was.
yeah. like how the devil could call Jesus an advocate of prostitution because he "walked with prostitutes" like everyone thinks. The same goes for homsexuality.
@@Wilantonjakov No, it is not the same. Jesus said thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. If you can't see the difference, the devil must be working its way into your heart and mind.
@@anacletwilliams8315 wait, I thought he talking about Shakespeare?
Edward Oxenford was correct
I once sat through a homophobic rant in church, only to feel self hatred afterwards; your courage helps erase my experience. Thx.
maybe use that self hatred to improve yourself rather than give into to your impulses and feed the disorder.
@@Wilantonjakov The disorder? Are you saying homosexuality is a "disorder"?
@@Wilantonjakov what disorder
@@Wilantonjakov wth... did u just call it a disorder? I thought everyone had an actual brain! It’s 2021
@@Wilantonjakov sicko alert!!
I would "accidentally" play random notes.
LPSElk and say the organ is ciphering XD
LPSElk I would play YMCA lol
@@CaesarNeptuneStudios or somewhere over the rainbow. and then: it's raining men!
@@thephidias ,or Long Tall Sally and Celebrate Wooooooooo!
Start playing in a minor key
Just recently and in Melbourne/Australia and during a church service, A Greek priest said that he'd rather shoot gay people instead of supporting marriage equality and one wonders about all these people who are "supposed" to represent God yet they spew their hate and insecurities and what is worse is the people that support them.
Jason, you did the right thing by respecting your self for who you are!
Ross i think it should be treated as a hate crime, how can someone add to the suffering of people and get away with it? Religion is all you need, whether its permission to spread hate or avoid paying tax.
Hate speech and violence from either side is totally abhorrent. Australians are about to vote in a Plebiscite s/s marriage. here is my assessment of both sides.
The “no” campaign is fighting a losing battle trying to offer history and procreation as reasons for keeping the traditional definition of marriage. The homosexual lobby has been very clever to paint religion as the enemy of equal rights, anti-discrimination, free speech and progress. But of course statistics reveal love and long term commitment are hardly the defining tenets of a homosexual lifestyle.
Under a multi-coloured rainbow banner, the YES campaigners chant “We should be able to marry whoever we want.” which has apparently won over a gullible public not wanting to be seen as discriminatory or "homophobic'. The same statistics prove that the real enemy of SSM is not religion but nature and their own reckless lifestyle in their constant need for sexual gratification with strangers not in the 10s but literary in the several 100s. (Bell and Weinberg)
SSM is really a dangerous slippery slope, opening the door for any individual, religious sect or ethnic group to press for acceptance of polygamy, underage brides, incest and/or even bestiality. The claim that such activities are the product of one’s genetic makeup would surely be denied by courts. Evolution by natural selection would necessarily have bred out the 'homosexual gene' over 1000s of generations because it would not lead to procreation.
In reality the homophiles represents about 2-3% of the population but in the UK and especially the US, those actually embracing marriage is insignificant if not irrelevant to the debate (see Pew Research). More than 50% of homosexuals claim to have had 500-1000 partners, 80% of whom were with total strangers. Clearly It is not about marriage or equality but their need for us to condone and ‘normalise a promiscuous lifestyle that deep down their conscience tells them is destructive. Studies by NHIS reveal increased depression, mental ill-health, STDs, suicide, domestic violence and even child abuse.
There are alarming Educational & social implications if s/s marriage is legalized. Despite claims to the contrary, governments cannot legislate to protect from abuse, the rights of churches, schools, individuals or businesses who withhold or refuse homosexuals’ demands. Those who advocate for the ‘no’ vote have already been vilified and threatened on social media. In the UK a private schools were threatened with closure if they didn’t include same sex education in its curriculum. Even worst outcomes are being realized in US States like Massachusetts where a parent was arrested for wanting to exclude his child from such indoctrination. That says it all, doesn't it? And all this goes on under the farce of anti-discrimination and "marriage equality". If the implications for families weren't so tragic, it would be laughable.
The Greek priest should do us all a favour and walk in front of a tram; there are plenty of them in Melbourne.
I can't understand why gay people would want anything to do with the church and its bigotry. That Greek priest is exactly why we have the separation of church and state. One the other hand, the current pope seems quite enlightened.
You're a pig and I'm glad SSM is here in Australia. You have nothing to back you up on your OPINION. You're just another bigot on the wrong side of history and thank "GOD" you're a dying cause. How about you worry about yourself and your blatant bigotry & hypocrisy before judging others and how they live their lives. You lot seem to be overly focused on homosexuality. And anyone with any common sense will see behind your self loathing facade and see what your REAL PROBLEM is.
This fellow is a lovely person...what a soul, what a heart, what a passion.
I hope he's happy...he sure deserves to be...
@David Watson There's no such thing as hell David 😂 Grow up and learn how to fucking spell. It's DOUBT.
David Watson
Tell you your family members they can’t bring ice water with them too HELL
@@dennetlane2870 no, you misunderstood, he was saying that he'll make a dough for a cake for that dude's gay wedding XD
@Greg Medina - Look into his eyes... He's not a happy person, and who can blame him. Religious people can be total hypocrites.
but at a church that excepts him! Some of them are loose with the bible and even have gay pastors.
It's one thing to stand up for yourself. It's another to stand up for something bigger than yourself. Thank you, Jason! Shining love your way from here in Alberta, Canada.
So much respect for your strength. I went to a Christian school for 13 years, I sat through bible class after bible class hearing homophobic messages. One of my biggest regrets now is that I didn’t walk out. The one that hurts the most is when we had to put anonymous colour coded stickers to say if we agreed with certain topics. One of them had the words “Gay people deserve respect.” It wasn’t about gay marriage, it wasn’t about gay people being parents, hell, it wasn’t even about if being gay is a sin. It was literally if they deserve basic fucking respect. Over half of the stickers on that one were red. I had never feared so much, or felt so hated as in that moment. I was still very much in the closet at that point, and my heart sunk so low. I wish now that I would have grabbed that piece of paper and marched down to the principals office with it, that I would have done something. Instead now there’s class after class, with people in them feeling the same fear I felt. I wish so much I would have had the strength to walk out like you did.
sweet rocks Wow, you really don't possess any empathy whatsoever, do you? How sad you are.....just another creep with nothing worthwhile to add. Crawl back under your stone.
It's not only healthy, it feels fucking great.
Everyone deserves respect, if a thief is convicted in the same room should he leave because he feels convicted? Sin is sin. The truth hurts, you can ignore it and live with it, or pursue GODS way to face it. Walking out shows your conviction. If you were not convicted you would stay, I wonder why your soul cant handle conviction...
J R Sorry, but in spouting such vague rubbish you deserve no respect. Are you really saying homosexuals are as bad as thieves? The simple fact is you’re just another hate-filled extreme religionist who wants to brainwash others into his insane world.
so homosexuals cant steal??? They cant do no wrong then???
A couple of years the pastor at my current church made a sermon on the lgbtq community and basically said that you have to either deny your (lgbtq) identity or you're denying Christ. I started crying while listening to this because I remember having to sit through that and not do anything because I was scared about when my parents reaction would be if they noticed I had walked out, they're deeply hateful of the lgbtq community and I've been in the closet all these years. 😔
Be true to yourself and put yourself first.
Best. ASMR. Voice. Ever.
I agree, it's so calm and humble
Lucky Henry amsr?
He should record for books.
MSP Aesthetics probably meant ASMR.
It's hot, yes
I would have interrupted this man by playing very loudly during his speech
Silas Nonoir just what I was about to suggest haha
I probably would've done the same thing. Heck, when I took piano lessons (I still play the piano), my teacher would let me know where I was playing *loud* in places where I should be playing *soft*.
*IT WAS NOT THE TRUTH, AND HE WAS NOT A MORON. STRIKE ONE.*
*WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY, IDIOT. You are living up to your name, because you're one of the Select Few THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME,. INCLUDING LIFESTYLES, AND THE WAYS WE INTERPRET GOD'S LAW. STRIKE TWO. I CAN JUST TELL YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU THE THIRD STRIKE.*
I respect him for being respectful. Childish acts would have made him look bad, and by extension, gays in general.
Well handled; your message now is more consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ to love one another than was the message of condemnation given by the ignorant homophobic pastor. Your two straight friends honored you in both their concern and respect. Walking out expresses momentary anger, but walking away at a precise moment, then returning to carry on sent a critically important message to the congregation that you are a strong individual of dignity and of thought provoking worth❣
Amen for your wisdom🙏
What a beautiful soul. We all deserve respect and acceptance with Love.
what a stupid, hollow comment. Amazing.
@@Wilantonjakov what a sad, hollow heart you have...
God bless you Jason. I am gay and a Christian too. Fortunately the Catholic church I go to is supportive of gay people. It's a very large congregation so not everyone knows. A few years it was necessary to defend myself unflinchingly against someone expressing disapproval of me for being gay. But I am still there, and so is he. We do talk, but he does not bother me about it anymore.
Thank you for sharing your story. Not all parishes or priests express anti-gay sentiment, but some individuals in the parish are not on the same page. I know that Catholic priests are sometime put under pressure by homophobic parishioners to preach against gay people, however in my parish the priest has never said anything anti-gay even to the point of being accused by one parishioner of “promoting the homosexual agenda” by refusing to condemn gay people.
No shade but if the church supportive of gay lifestyle they are not preaching the true word
Fel my Catholic parish is supportive of Gay people. We aren’t into the condemnation game. We are Catholic in our diversity.
@@fel6533 "True word".. Get your head fixed.
@@huub1989 it's not about condemnation, it's about what the words in the book you preach from says. If the Constitution is law of the land why isn't the Bible which is used as the authority on Christian beliefs treated as such. The Bible cannot evolve people can but don't push back at those who stay within the confines of biblical teaching
This young man is a good man and well as a brave man Jesus Christ Loves all of us.May God Bless him.
Yeah, that's why he said he didn't come to change the laws...
He forgave the woman caught in adultery, but He also said, "Go thou and sin no more." We can all selectively quote.
@@proudhon100 and what if she continues to sin?
@@hardcoreplayafromthehimala4888 There are consequences to any action. Are you arguing that the warning was not necessary, or are made up words?
@@proudhon100 unfortunately, my responding comment is deleted, so much about democracy and freedom of speech.....
He's so meek and soft spoken, It's almost like he's not even there. Good for him finding himself.
It's people like Jason who are the unsung hero's of this world. His community now respects him as they should and they will respect others because of his act. Thank you Jason.
TJ B Reprobates are not heroes.
mrtadreamer And I'm guessing you call yourself a "christian" you are a miscreant and a reprobate.
@Samantha Kurtwazee I don't know maybe for the same reason why heterosexuals look like mean mugging animal meat eating shit faced bulldogs trying to act all hard up when they talk about homosexual men. It's stupid ass questions like this that divided up humanity with manipulation and intimidation then have the nerve to ask, why do they look demasculinized(intimidated) and manipulated. You religious sociopaths have some fucking nerve you with your failed science trying to hijack today's first world cultures and sciences with your manipulation and lies trying to intimidate those who you use do deem as invalid from your old and failed ass descriptions on how the world works. You got places even trying to ban math because it will lead kids to wanting to learn science and that will lead them to questioning the bible. Maybe you might want to ask yourself is today's technology and science really worth ditching for yesterday's 2000 year old cultural sciences. Do you want to go back to the medicines of that time too or do you want today's cures? You need to check yourself and culturally catch the fuck up. Then help the rest of your people catch up too.
Why are some heterosexual people so fucking ignorant?
@Samantha Kurtwazee Look Samantha, your comment was religious based and you know it. Stop giving a people shit and no one will lump you in with the shit crowd.
"i cant remember the exact topic"
"Matthew 5"
"Leviticus 18" Man I think you do remember
Hmm, and regards Numbers 31:17, and sexual consent as a whole...?
God made you exactly as you are . Stand tall and stand with courage. They are wrong, you are right
Wow, I can tell this Dude has a good heart...
Bro4Bro No, He has an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heart has nothing to do with. You either except the beliefs of the religion your falling are not.
No one is pointing a gun to your head and say you must. Practice this religion. But if you do you should they their beliefs. Our get out
So many people who claim to follow any religion tend to pick and choose what they prefer to follow and live by that makes their life better for them and not for what their religion stands for. Too many Hippocrates in this world.
mrtadreamer Crawl back under your stone, creep.
sweet rocka You are insane, the anus IS a sex organ in that it gives pleasure via the prostate gland. Also very many women get pleasure from it, for some reason I haven't yet researched. Sometimes, ignorant person, MANY parts of the body can act as a 'sex organ'! Will you please give evidence of your science education credentials.....I see precious little in the utter crap you have thus far posted!
It took guts to walk out, and even more guts to walk back in and finish the job...
The College Heights Adventist church in LaCombe has the organ situated diagonally at the stage left side in front of everyone, and the wall facing the church is full of big organ pipes. That's probably the place. The organist walking off would be noticed by everyone there.
Dignified, intelligent, quietly confident. Any church would be lucky to have him as a member of their congregation.
God bless you my brother in Christ. The speaker was wrong and as a Pastor myself. I would never in a million years do that. We are to love all, regardless of sexual orientation.
When I was 15 I sat through a sermon addressing the legalization of gay marriage in America. At the time I had not accepted that I was gay but deep down I knew that I was. I wanted so badly to walk out or say something but I was with my family and it was a small church and I didn’t have the courage. So I just sat and listened to how the sanctity of marriage was ruined and how people like me would end up in hell. It was horrible and many other situations like that have deterred me from going to church even though I’m still a Christian. It’s terrible that people will use religion, something that’s supposed to help people, in order to further their own hatred and bigotry.
Of course there will be hateful comments here. It's freedom of speech. I just want to congratulate you on what you did and also how it ended. I'm not sure I would have had the presence of mind to honor my professor at that moment. That was quite professional and noble of you.
Hugs :)
Well when I see the words "I dare you' with several exclamation points and in all caps, I find it quite immature. This kind of grammar school persuasion is hardly appropriate within mature conversations. What I find almost laughable is that the article that you "dare" me to read, is dated from 1988. My question to you is, why are you citing a piece of writing that is almost 30 years old? Also I find it intriguing that you responded to my comment, instead of merely posting your opinion.
In addition, you write that you "know dozens of musicians, none of which..." The correct grammar is "none of whom". When arguments are presented in writing and contain grammatical mistakes, it automatically reduces the apparent validity of the person writing the argument.
I think the dare at this point would be for you to update what you are reading. No, yours is not a hate comment, but citing an opposing view that was written more than a quarter of a century is ago is hardly relevant to this discussion.
In addition, the author that you dared me to read, I will point out "left the Episcopal Church in part due to their opposition to the evangelizing of Jews." So clearly, he had more purpose in his actions than merely speaking against sexual minorities.
Thank you for contributing your musical talent to your church.
Bill D YOU ARE NOT A SUPPORTER IF YOU CONDONE HOMOPHOBIA 👋👋👋 FUCK OFF
Again, no need for all caps. I do NOT condone homophobia and if you could read and comprehend, you would have understood that. I fully support Jason. Perhaps you need to look up the definition of "condone." In any case-I have spent enough of my time responding to you. Any further comments directed towards me will be ignored. That is all.
Bill D FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOT OKAY IF ITS OPPRESSION 👋👋👋👋👋
Bill D KEEP IGNORING ME HOMOPHOBE 👋👋
What a beautiful, thoughtful and admirably well spoken man.
Why aren't we past this bullshit by now? Superstitious beliefs began when we were clueless hominids, and religion began when rich people realised the divide in education gave them power by speaking 'THE TRUTH' to poor underclasses who didn't have the means to research and question for themselves. That's history in a nutshell, we can all read now, and it's all still right there to see.
I'm honestly glad this guy feels more comfortable now, but fuck what those guys think. We're all human and their unsubstantiated doctrine has caused more death and suffering across the globe than any guy on guy actions ever could.
*Thank you. I don't know why people are still using religion do justify hatred. It's one thing to be religious, it's another to give your religion a bad name. Likewise, it's one thing to not like someone's lifestyle, but it's another to not like them BECAUSE of their lifestyle.*
*I'm no fool. In fact, even though I'm a week late....I'M NO APRIL FOOL, EITHER. YOU ARE. On Judgment Day, God will rule in MY favor, and FORCE YOU to pay for the AGGRAVATION, EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, PAIN AND SUFFERING, AND HARASSMENT YOU AND YOUR FELLOW HOMOPHOBES HAVE GIVEN ME. One day, when the next GLBT suicide occurs...IT'LL BE ON YOUR HANDS, NOT GOD'S. And again...DO I NEED TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE STRIKEOUT? WHEN I STRIKE YOU OUT, THAT MEANS STOP.*
I'm an atheist who joined a United Church of Christ choir because my future wife was in it (an opera singer). They were LGBT friendly, so we both joined, the enemy of my enemy and so forth. Our organist and choirmaster was a very happy gay man, and a kick-ass music director and musician as well. I'll never start a church, but if I did, I'd want to hire an organist just like him. Or this young gentleman.
I would've rickrolled everyone in the church by playing never gonna give you up before I left
Oh how droll! How original! (not).
William Bunter ayy you’re that guy who was in the comment section, that comment section where everybody was attacking you cause you said a women and a men are the only thing that can take of a kid or something? I don’t remember
@@williambunter3311 oh no it’s you again :/
I went to a religious college. It's never a good idea getting involved with any religion whatsoever. Religion is about prejudices and limits.
*Peter got it right...IT'S ABOUT LIMITS...SOMETHING THAT ALSO COMES WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT. EVEN KOBE BRYANT AND DONALD STERLING KNOW THAT. BUT APPARENTLY, THEIR EXAMPLES MEAN NOTHING TO YOU!*
God has never/doesn't talk. If you hear gods talking you better get yourself to a psychiatrist fast because you are delusional and probably schizophrenic.
And yet Jesus wrote NOTHING DOWN? If he felt his words were so important and knew of the frailties of men's memories and biases, why did he choose to let the sinful creatures around him translate his intentions into history? By the time the Bible was pasted together by that council in the early A.D.s it was pretty far off from what originally happened.
You do not need religion to know that homosexuality is abomination.
Peter, You do not believe in limits? Hope you meet up with Jeffrey Dahmer copy cat tonight who also has no limits. lol
I HIGHLY COMMEND you for handling that situation with POISE and DIGNITY....I can't honestly say I would have been as nice about it...I sure it wasn't easy to sit there and listen to that pastor spew his HATEFUL VENOM....
Spoken like a true UNHINGED religious ZEALOT... You don't get to tell me who I hate or what GOD stands for in MY eyes because you don't know me... In this EASTER we are reminded GOD stands for LOVE, not POISON and HATRED. It's SMUG narrow-minded individuals such as yourself who falls short of what GOD stands for...
*YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S HATE-FILLED. Look at every comment you've posted..IT'S FILLED WITH GAY-BASHING. So guess who's the one with hate NOW. FEELINGS FIRST. EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME. NO MORE NO LESS.*
@@gameshowguy2000 what are you talking about?
@@jimbroome-blanchard7357 Who are you talking to in your reply
How is disagreement hateful venom?
Oof in middle school my momma took me to church Sunday after our cities pride parade. The pastor went on and ranted about how god should strike down lightning, hellfire, and kill everyone at pride.
I got my ass up and walk it to the bathroom. I was sitting with my friend and her grandparents. She followed me and convinced me to go back.
My mom was sitting there shocked at such hatred.
Later on she told me how proud she was that I did that. That I was brave enough to get up and walk away. I made a stand without saying a word and she was ashamed that she couldn’t follow my lead.
This happened to me many years ago. I was (and still am) organist of a small Episcopal church in SW Oklahoma. We had a new priest just beginning his tenure with us, and the second Sunday he was there, he got into the pulpit -- looked me straight in the eye and said: "I have personally cured 4 homosexuals!" I was dumfounded, and had a very hard time keeping myself from throwing a hymnbook at him across the choir. Luckily I didn't -- it was nearing Christmas, and we had a very nice Christmas concert planned for the next Sunday. After service, I told the senior warded that I would be leaving right after Christmas. Evidently the word got out, and the new priest offered his resignation right after that. That was over 30 years ago, and I'm still there, love the congregation, and they evidently like me and my work. However, to hear such remarks in such a setting is one of the most hateful experiences anyone can be put through.
Im a professionally trained organist myself wbo also hapoens to be gay. I admire what this guy did.
Good for you , man! A perfect and powerful action against intolerance. Respect!
Yes, this clown is VERY intolerant of others. This clown knew he was in a Christian church and it was HE who showed no respect. He is free to start his own church and believe what he wants to believe. It is called freedom of religion. This was just a stunt designed to get his five minutes of fame. Biel is a bigot and behaved like a bully.
@@jeremylee5990 your whole religion centers around a bigot and a bully, so shut the fuck up
@@gummyneighborino7217 You are free to go to a gay church. This clown just wanted to pick a fight by trashing people who do not agree with his agenda. Be gay all you want. I could care less, but learn to behave and respect others freedoms, but then you are a bigot and an asshole.
@@jeremylee5990 why should i give them that when they wont give gay people the same treatment?
@@gummyneighborino7217 Because you are a professional victim who wakes up everyday looking for some new way to be offended. Grow up.
So my sister is gay and I’m bi and we’re out to everyone except for my grandparents because they are INCREDIBLY homophobic. Sometimes we spend the night at they’re house and when we do it’s always on Saturday’s making the next day a Sunday. Church day. Now I’m not very religious at all and my sister kind of is but not really. My worst fear is that one day we’re gonna go to church with my grandparents and they’ll start preaching homophobic stuff... idk what I would do in that situation because 1. If I were to storm out I’d basically be outing myself and I’m not ready for that and 2. I have no clue what my sister would do. I think she might just sit there uncomfortably but I honestly have no clue. Luckily that hasn’t happened yet
You really need to have a good talk with your sister.
I'd have had to hear the sermon. These days, if one says ANYTHING that is not totally obsequious to the gay community, one is labeled "homophobe." Not to mention the gay community tends to respond to hateful comments with their own versions of hateful comments.
Let the 1st one without sin. Cast the 1st stone.. Only God can judge us. God Loves us ALL just as we are!!!
#RespectToYouSir
#StandUpAndStandTall
God may love all but he doesn't love the sin
I am sorry to disagree but Jesus of Nazareth is not homophobic.
The church loves those gay dollars however
Both of you will burn in hell. Read the book dummies
Donna Crosby, You are the dummy. Shut up, homo supporter.
Lilac very Christian! What a piece of shit you are.
I would've accidentally started playing another song.
I would have played I'm on the highway to heck
Golden Wind
How droll! One day you might actually say something original.
@@williambunter3311 lmao says the one who’s literally saying the same dumb comment over and over
I would have NEVER went back into play for that hateful person. I would have walked out and never came back! They don't deserve him.
Say with a loud before leaving (i did this), "who want to listen to thos bull shit, not me". The pastor stopped mid sentence, i left. And it warmed my heart that 20-30 others also left.
Thank you for have the courage to stand up and walking out, So often we sit in silence and in doing so give credence in it. This was your personal stone wall.
I'm straight but would've gotten up & walked out, too. Really... a Church is a place of Hate !??? Not exactly how Jesus would behave or approve of. Organized religion can be SO closed minded & ridiculous.
I'm not gay, but I'd walk too! I have a lot of support for you.
I strongly believe a REAL Christian, a TRUE believer in the gospel message would NEVER use a scripture verse to judge another person..
A REAL TRUE believer in the gospels would use the scripture to reflect upon the words and acts of Jesus to assess themselves and their own life...period...
I love his energy. And i find him quite attractive. Though i hope he realizes that that’s a cult, and he’d be better off without it.
That's the problem with relying on unchanging holy books--their undigested barbarism never really goes away. It can always be regurgitated should the need arise. I'm a gay atheist, myself.
hes so quiet its so sweet
One of the greatest pieces of advise I have ever heard came from a congregant from the gay synagogue in Atlanta. It was, "Never let an insult go unanswered." Your actions spoke mountains, and sound to me like a totally appropriate, mature decision on your part. I don't know that I would have been so tolerant, had I been such a situation.
They always start at Lev. 18, why not ALL of Leviticus? Because that would include everyone. That’s why. Nothing more and nothing less.
In America for 25 years. I'm atheist. A priest once told me a hitman from my country jailed here was going to go the heaven. That guy got to be the worst of the worst. He told me he asked Jesus for forgiveness and TRAAAAA he was going to heaven, what a beautiful thing. I told him Ok Sr. What's going to happened to me? He said well you are going to hell. I haven't even smoke once in my life, I'm very hard working and very nice guy. Religion is really a crazy a fuckup thing. I told him lets say for one minute there is God. He will never pick that guy before me.
Very moving, Jason. Intelligently told story of love responding to good old-fashioned Christian hate..
I would start playing Sympathy For The Devil, by The Rolling Stones.
I love that song.
@@soysatan1840 and Jeff......so do I!!! That would have given them the"SPIRIT"!👍✌
"In A Gadda Da Vida" for me 🤣🤣
It's not walking out if you go back to finish the service. Walking out means getting up and not going back. That's how we did things back in the day.
@@ted1091 - being in my early forties, I'm not sure what "day" you're speaking of, but thank goodness. I just want love back,.
God bless you Jason. God knows who you are and what you are learning. So be who you are and never mind those that you don't respect . We are not all on the same exact path, but towards GOD only. God knows and understands everything. Good for standing up for yourself.💖😏
Saying something is wrong is not homophobic. Homophobic means fear of.
You are embracing the profane and rejecting the Truth.
Gutsy move. Powerful message. Congratulations.
I LOVE THIS GUY.....
Bravo to him. I’m sick of hypocritical churches.
Here`s the thing.. You can´t pick and choose what you accept from the Bible and what you don´t. The Bible teaches that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.. It also teaches that having sex with another man as with a woman is an abomination. If we as believers do not call out homosexuality as sin then we are not loving people. Christians should love the sinner but hate the sin. This guy really started off on the wrong foot when he called playing at the Church service "performing". It is not a performance. The role of the organist is to lead or to assist in leading the praise and worship. It is a ministry. As for going where he feels accepted then the Bible talks about people only being prepared to listen to what their ears are itching to hear.
I believe God loves us all, regardless of sexual orientation. if you are a good productive person, you are in God's graces. God wants us to be good, kind people. I know many heterosexual people who are lousy parents, lousy spouses and are worthless pieces of society.
Love the video. I believe in The Trinity and I know that Yahweh loves me, Jesus died for me and the Holy Ghosts lives in me. Hating anyone God created is blasphemous. God lives you intensely. But Satan wants to destroy all of us.
Then what do you do with Leviticus?
Why do you adhere to a bigot religion?
Why do you hate Satan if it's blasphemous to hate anything that God created?
You don't even understand how insane your belief is.There is no God and Jesus didn't even exist as a real person, it's all made up by humans who needed answers to all mysterious things they failed to understand.
We have lot of answers now but you will not listen since you prefer to feel loved by ghosts.
Nothing wrong with wanting to feel loved. If this person is kind and accepting of others, then I’ve no problem with their faith even if I don’t happen to share it. If this person’s faith even helps them to be kind and accepting of others, then that’s all the better.
Also, although I don’t personally think Jesus was the son of god or that he rose from the dead or anything, I’ve heard there is evidence he did actually exist as a man on this earth. It doesn’t bother me one way or the other, but you shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss his existence altogether.
@@genericname8727 Loved by a ghost is wasted, they miss the real love.
If their faith make them good, they are not genuine good, they just act that way of fear and promised rewards.
"I’ve heard there is evidence he did actually exist as a man on this earth"
Yeah, I have heard that too and had no reason to doubt it until I checked those evidences.
There are no evidences, just lies, the trademark of religions.
But there are lot of evidences that the stories about Jesus are made up.
You stand proud and stand for your dignity
Membership to a church in many respects is like membership in anything else. You join a place that you are aligned with...if there are none you form your own club.
Good on you Jason, I too am a gay church organist and what you did takes guts. I have heard that kind of sermon in the past and wished that I had done the same as you. These days if I heard homophobic utterances coming from the pulpit, I'd do as you did. Thank you for taking a stand, it should not be tolerated by anyone. I eventually left that church because I was told by the senior pastor that my playing could negatively affect young children!
Why should one find a community or a church that accepts you? Shouldn't you accept the Word of God instead?
What kills me is that everyone sits in this sort of situation and says nothing. When a supposed disciple of a man who it is claimed taught love and acceptance (acceptance not tolerance) spouts homophobic hatred, why does no-one stand up right then and there and say "No, this is unacceptable"? I agree with all the people who say he should not have returned - though I'd question why he was there in the first place. You can be gay and espouse the tenets/philosophies of Jesus, but if you subscribe to any of these organisations that have centuries of persecution of LGBT people, then you're contributing ot he sustenance of an oppressive regime.
*The only reprobate mind is YOU. YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY! YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH ANYMORE! IT'S GONE.*
Acceptance is Tolerance. I would just leave. I despise organized religion! 😤
@ lol You're such a peach! God doesn't exist. You are the weakest link, goodbye! 🖕
@ lol, thank you for the comic relief you crack me up! It's nice you know me so well, *sarcastically rolls eyes*. It isn't nice to make assumptions about people you know. Judgemental people like you are what's wrong with the world. Peace and Love will always triumph over your icy black heart!
Fire -------> Sodom and Gomorrah.
What a beautiful and educated speaking-voice, and what a gracious smile. It is a pleasure to hear him speak.
Good for him. There is so very much evil in the Old Testament.
All the Bible thumpers that like to bash others tend to use the Old Testament, specifically the verses in Leviticus against the LGBT community... what they fail to remember is that Christ died for our sins and made the laws/stuff of the Old Testament void.
If he was a black man having to listen to a racist rant against black people, no one would expect him to continue doing his job at that church 🤬
How can you be Christian snd be against the Bible's teachings? How can you be against the teaching of the Christian scripture.
Which church preaches the 'right' teachings? They all use the same book, but their message is not 100% the same. That is the problem with Christianity.
You are a good man! I wish you well!
I was with you right up until you walked back in and sat down :(
My reaction would have been to not come back, but I understand that he had a commitment (that is, to play organ for the service). Although he could speak a hair quicker, without stopping at every half sentence, he gives a great advice: To find a community that is accepting. It is easier today than in the past.
Fractal Cat well... He has a job to do
Selectfew no. What are you talking about? He only returned because he had a J O B to do.
Comments like this is are why I don't believe in organized religion. That said, so the CREATOR made a mistake? If not he is living his life the way it was meant to be. You can't have it both ways. Either you decide that he was made the way he is suppose to be or a mistake was made. The mind, as I see it would be part of the creation. Decisions are made in the mind. People may not make the best decisions. But perhaps a chain of events was planned all along and that is the reason why some "sinful" decisions are made. Maybe they were planned to lead to something positive for someone or something else down the line.
'Unless you had returned to repent, change from your wicked ways, ask for forgiveness and decide to LISTEN and LIVE by how your CREATOR told you to live instead of telling the Creator that you, the creation, is choosing to live any old sinful way you choose.'
*OK, the only wicked ways are your ANTI-GAY VIEWS, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU NEED TO REPENT FROM. THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY, AND EVERYTHING, AND I DO MEAN EVERYTHING, INCLUDING LIFESTYLES, GOD'S LAW, ETC. CHANGES OVER TIME. No wonder your name is Selectfew. You're one of the Select few that CANNOT, DO NOT, AND WILL NOT ACCEPT CHANGE!*
I totally agree with this young brave man.
Pay us to make a cake ok we’ll make you a cake... but it works both ways, you get paid to play so play.
Church shopping for a church that makes you feel comfortable with what you want to believe doesn't sit well with me. What are the odds that you personally, among all the people in the world, have God right and the church should match your beliefs? Be very suspicious of a church that makes you comfortable.
The easiest explanation is that God doesn't exist, therefore nobody should go to any churches, because they're all bullshit.
You know how many holy books there are in the world? How many religions? How many different interpretations of the afterlife? Just because a religion is big (like Christianity and Islam) doesn't make it right, it just makes them better at conversion. Any of them could be true or false. So going to a church that says something that conflicts with core beliefs we have about humanity and justice, therefore, is not a good thing to support.
If you're going to convince yourself a magical person in the sky exists and has an afterlife in wait for the "good" people, you might as well find one of those Gods who loves and accepts you for who you are, rather than a God that will arbitrarily send you into hellfire for falling in love with the wrong person.
I'm so glad he had the support of his friends and community. This story would've had a sad end if they hadn't been on his side.
This was a very difficult and courageous thing that Jason did, particularly as it meant "coming out" in front of the whole congregation.
It is so much easier when you are a straight married person who can stand up, three sentences into a sermon about "unsuitable lifestyle choices", and say loudly "OK! I have heard enough! I am going to the Coffee Shop. Please feel free to join me!" and know that your actions provide an encouragement for the gay organist and his partner who will leave along with several other straight parishioners.
That took courage and your bravery may have sparked some serious change within those four walls. God presented you with a tough situation and I’m sure God is proud of how you handled it with dignity and poise. Happy for you and our community❤️
Nothing brave he is just a drama queen.
This clown knew he was in a Christian church and it was HE who showed no respect. He is free to start his own church and believe what he wants to believe. It is called freedom of religion. This was just a stunt designed to get his five minutes of fame. Biel is a bigot and behaved like a bully.
@@jeremylee5990 I'm really not sure. Was there pride, or satisfaction, on how Matthew 27:25 was viewed, in later churches, within Europe? Or Leviticus 25:46?
Or for that matter, Numbers 31:17, and sexual consent regarding it?
Reading these comments, it really pisses me off that my brethren and supposed arbiters of God’s love can be so cruel. It’s one thing to disagree with a person's lifestyle, another to humiliate, disrespect and terrify them. For shame. Many of you men and women who have been hurt by the church will enter the gates of heaven ahead of these so-called men of God.
you're not any better if you're calling it a lifestyle. It's not my style to be hated by your entire religion I just want to be left alone but you Christians make that impossible
Courageous and loving man. Glad he refused to be a party to the homophobic sermon.
This gay bully just wanted to pull off a stunt. He was not forced to attend any church. He knew what they believed. He can start his own gay church or go to one already started. It is called freedom of religion. Sad you are a fascist.
You imagine in your delusional world that your "phobe" words bother sane people. Grow up. Of course you play the professional victim.
I just read Leviticus 18 and it had alot of sexual things we "shouldn't " do...it described 99% of what probably everyone in the church is doing...it addresses alot...so in that light everyone should have gotten up...God loves everyone
Love it when homophobic comments are on TH-cam because my personal favorite reaction is ‘ sorry honey you forgot the rainbows and glitter to that.’ It makes them so irritated most of the time that the comments can’t get to you.
Another thought: The trouble actually begins with misinterpreted and misunderstood text. The Leviticus and Deuteronomy laws often go against God's original Ten. Later on in history, Christ would always ALWAYS support the Ten while at the same time refuting the lame Levit and Deut TRIBAL laws. Those laws were manmade, never dictated by the Most High. Christ even clarified this point in one of the discussions with the disciples. (Matthew quote below)
Another problem is the 1978 announcement by the Evangelicals that the entire Bible should be considered to be 100% "INERRANT" and "God-breathed" or "inspired." Not so. And they only have the Apostle Paul's own letters to correct that misnomer as he OFTEN wrote that he was writing while being "not of the spirit" or "not inspired," etc etc. He honorably declared to those to whom he had addressed his letters, using the honest truth.
More on how Paul refutes supposed biblical "Inerrancy" -
Paul in an epistle writes: "I give my advice" (2 Cor. 8:8-10). That's not constant inspiration. Secondly, Paul quotes Scripture, and says the Lord gives that command, but "the rest is from me, not from the Lord" (1 Cor. 7:10-12). The latter is certainly not inspired. Paul says elsewhere "what I am going to say now is not prompted by the Lord but from a fit of folly" (2 Cor. 11:17).
There are more examples, but I think I've offered enough for now.
Back to what Christ says about Moses.
Matthew 19:7-8
7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
HARD HEARTS caused the men of the earliest wanderings as a tribe to go against God's original Ten in more ways than one.
Moses' followers had suffered many times over and had often gone against God's original Ten during the wandering years. Many had lost family members to enemy attacks along the way. Most had been abused at some time during their years in captivity in Egypt. PTSD can make people hard hearted. Suffering can also make ppl unhappy to the point of loss of feeling for others.
So you see, what happened during the Leviticus era is not at all what we are to continue on with today. Jesus made that clear with his radical views on the treatment of women, children and outsiders like the Samaritans (parable of The good Samaritan, plus his going out of his way and off the normally travelled route for most Jews then, in order to meet with the Woman of Samaria.)
In the case mentioned in the video above, that minister forgot that Christ's words + God's original Ten supersede all of the tribal stuff.
If you are interested, I have some thoughts to share as regards the Tribal nomadic cleanliness laws of the Old Testament as well.
Ros McGuinn; Your comment is disingenuous. Paul did not 'OFTEN' write about things not directly taught in the Scriptures, but once or twice only. And he certainly didn't say he was writing anything contrary to the scriptures Paul was taught personally by the risen Lord for a long period of time, thus his pronouncements have all the weight of Christ's teaching behind them. He was not merely offering his opinions, but extrapolating in the power of the Spirit what he learned from Christ himself. Paul was given the task of unfolding the mystery of the church, the body of Christ, which comprised Jewish and non-Jewish believers together equally. This was not known in the days of the Old Testament.
Paul did not say homosexuality was acceptable - in fact he said just the opposite, as you know full well. And who said we should live according to the O.T. laws of Moses anyway? You're knocking down a straw man! We live under grace, not under the law of Moses which was given to Israel only.. And homosexual acts are as sinful in the present dispensation of grace as they were under the dispensation of Law.
You are confused, Ros, and clearly you are trying to digest strong meats before you have been sufficiently weaned by the New Testament milk. What you call 'tribal stuff' is no less the word of God than the ten commandments. The social laws and the ceremonial laws were just as much from Jehovah as the ten commandments were. It is true that the Jewish rabbis and scholars added many new laws, over the centuries, to those given to Moses, but don't get confused into denying what God has given. it wasn't because of what the rabbis said that Paul preached against homosexuality, but because of what God has said.
@@williambunter3311 That's incorrect. I've been able to find a lot more than your "couple of times."
@@rosemcguinn5301 Rose, you're out of your depth. Do some more study, a lot more study in fact, and don't make claims you cannot substantiate.
@@williambunter3311 I would not make such a bold claim if it could not be substantiated. But I will let you do the research for yourself. A closed mind can be a good thing to lose. ;)
@@rosemcguinn5301 What 'bold claim' are you referring to? If you're going to make a comment, at least identify what your subject is!
The substitute pastor didn't know there were any gay people in the congregation, or he didn't care. Neither is good. Speaking from a pulpit carelessly is like driving carelessly - pedestrians take a LOT of damage. And no, nobody has to put up with that sort of thing. Good for the head pastor, who may be doing the right thing, and who may just have a congregation that can't sing a capella.
Jason you did the right thing !.. and I had a similar experience at my church .. as also a drummer in the church band worship team ... I finally resigned .. when at the home prayer meetings .. they kept trying to renounce the devil in me ..and implore me to be straight .. all It did was make me cry ..
My favourite historical period is the early French Revolution, the killing of priests, burning of bibles and conversion of churches to socially useful purposes. What possibilities during those heady days to abolish forever these superstitions and fountains of hatred and ignorance. Pity
Thank you for sharing your experience. You are beautiful. You are created in God’s image and are loved. Love never fails.
Good for him, standing up for what
Religion is a fairy tale.
The last time I was at that church the organist played very little part in the service--a band from hell was in charge of the music. I hope you've found a job as musician at a welcoming church.