And the real sad thing? He could have picked his old dreams back up if he had just let go of his petty grudge, Trucy would have been fine with him rejoining the troupe given how the victim impersonating him was allowed back on board. Revenge before reason at it's finest...
I wonder if it was a nod to the RDJ Sherlock Holmes films? ...Come to think if it, Retinz kills with methods and motivations very similar to the serial killer in the first RDJ Sherlock movie (who uses conniving manipulation of people to fake his own execution and also kills an additional 3 people without laying a finger on any of them), and it does seem as though the AA team did research on modern interpretations on the Sherlock Holmes character for Dai Gyakuten Saiban...
Reus was wrong, the real reason of Trucy not seeing his tricks wasn't rookie-ness, it was her perspective towards magic. different perspective makes you see or not see different things in different way. Edit: I have a short point to add in this: Trucy didn't notice it because she didn't think anyone would use magic in such mischievous and evil ways, she thinks magic is to make people smile, to entertain, not for evil tricks, just as @jay7022 said
@@pkmntrainerred4247 right and that’s what makes Reus so twisted and downright evil. His twisted perspective of magic led to him taking an innocent life and even have to a lifelong fan of Trucy turn on her. He’s one seriously evil character.
What impressed me of this guy, aside from how terrifyingly perfect his plan was in theory, is that the charismatic masterminds were always people we didn't easily suspect, otherwise we'd have plain punchable brats that just screamed to be put down. This is the first guy that we knew was guilty as cliche saturday villains get, but even so became more imposing and oddly admirable when the mask of greed fell and exposed a deep, lifelong hatred.
@ogy A bit, first impression of Furio could have been that the guy was an exagerate poser, but did turn out to be a ruthless mafia boss. However he never feigned anything and it was never more than business to him. What I mean is that Reus feigned greed to hide his hate, the motive here being something that by extension would uncover his background and his real capabilities when it came to commiting the murder.
Magnifi may have been an abusive ass to his troupe, but at least he never killed fans like this guy. It takes a special kind of evil to get a guy like Magnifi to disown you.
SOJ CASE 2 SPOILERS Well Magnifi did essentially set one of his disciples up so he would be arrested for murder so he isn't a morally good character. I viewed the villain as another one of Magnifi's victims, that took his hatred way too far.
That's true, but I don't think it would take much to get Magnifi to disown someone. I mean the reasoning we're given is that Reus made a mistake and was kicked out. Granted we don't know that much about Reus back then, but he didn't seem to be an evil douchebag like he was after being kicked out.
Does anyone else think Reus and 6-2 as a whole could have EASILY made for an interesting final case for Apollo with some tweaking? Between Trucy's emotional breakdown, heavy ties to the Gramaryes, the eviction conflict, and Phoenix passing the torch to Apollo, theres some REALLY good final case worthy tension to be had. And with the sheer popularity and media power Roger Retinz has he still has that threat of 'a foe more powerful than you.' Heck, since this case has heavy ties with the Gramaryes they could have FINLLY tied up that thalassa plotline too with her helping with the show only for Reus to realize who she is and try and drag her down with Trucy somehow. Plus bringing him down could be even more satisfying as when he clings to him outtricking a Gramarye, Thalassa/Apollo (if he found out b4) could rip his last bit of ego to shreds by revealing that Apollo, a Gramarye, was the one who revealed all of Reus' tricks and gimmicks for everyone to see.
I wonder if Reus would consider Apollo a true Gramarye though. Apollo is Magnifi's grandson, but he's no magician carrying on the Gramarye legacy like Trucy. A boy who embodies the Sahdmahdis more than he embodies the Gramaryes. I could see Reus keeping his ego safe by just not considering Apollo a true Gramarye regardless of his blood. Trucy wasn't targeted because of her blood relation. Its because she inherited the rights to Magnifi's magic and wanted to do him proud. Zak Gramarye has no blood relation to Magnifi, but I bet if he had tried to make a magical comeback before he gave the rights to Trucy, Reus would want to ruin him too. But Apollo? He's just a lawyer who never even knew his ex-magician mother when growing up.
@@Teknanam Honestly, I think Reus would be even more distraught about Apollo, Magnifi Gramarye's Grandson who doesn't know anything about performing Magic, actually seeking through his tricks! A Magician having his tricks be seen through by someone not familiar with how said tricks are performed normally is embarrassing for normal Magician's, but it would have been a living hell foe Mr. Reus, especially since Apollo is related to his enemies by blood!
This is such a wonderful idea. I wish we’d gotten this AND turnabout Revolution. It would have been the best AA game ever (although SoJ is already my favorite tied with T&T)
This sounds so appealing I thought about it too. This is where their blood connection should have been revealed and I'm highly disappointed it wasn't. I also agree it would been a better then the ending we got sorry not sorry.
The most surprisingly deep and well-crafted one-case villain in the main series. Asserts complete control over the protagonists’ lives immediately with enough power to drive them out of their office, then is later revealed to be a bitter and vengeful reject. What a weirdly amazing case.
He used a fan, someone who greatly admired him for his petty revenge. Sure, the Gramaryes are no saints, but damn, he's a complete sociopath with no soul for that. He even tried to frame an innocent young lady that he hated simply because she was born into the lineage. He even used two girls as his accomplices without them knowing. This theme reflects how he feels superior to the Gramaryes, and also hateful towards them. It has also a tone of evil to it, reflecting his black heart. His Ratings Rajah persona is very well-crafted. His ability to completely masquerade his true intentions makes him all the more dangerous. Even if he is a magician, it takes more than magical experience to do what he did. He was really able to do it because he simply had no regard for anyone but himself, his ego, and his revenge. I think he is one of the most deserving Ace Attorney villains to end up behind bars.
Its honestly really telling how during his breakdown his masks of Troupe Gramarye appear in order of how bad each member was, and Reus' mask ends up higher than Magnifi. Magnifi was by far the worst of them all, so it says a lot to be placed even WORSE than him.
@@pkmntrainerred4247 It's crazy that Roger Retinz would throw away his only chance at leaving behind a legacy simply because he could not overcome a trivial and irrational grudge for simply being kicked out of Troupe Gramarye for being reckless and performing with an injury against the troupe leader's orders. There were so many more constructive methods he could have taken to right the wrongs of his past. He could have had his fan, who took up his mantle, begin to form a new magician troupe that would outclass and put the old troupe to shame - a legal method to get revenge on those long since passed. (Although, I do wonder if Trucy would join such a group or if Roger would be against the idea since he would still be in control due to his mentorship of Manov Mistree).
I think how much I hate Trucy's dad, despite the game barely ever pointing out how much of a piece of shit he is at all really helped me sympathise with Reus, and appreciate his plan. Although we don't see much of Magnifi, it is probably a pretty logical assumption than he had a lot in common with Trucy's dad.
Absolutely! The entirety of Troupe Gramarye (with the exception of Thalassa) were a bunch of Grade-A a**holes so it doesn't come as a surprise that Retinz despises them to the depth of his soul. Of course, the point where he goes wrong is when he decides to target Trucy, who bears no resemblance in personality to her predecessors, just to spit on Magnifi's grave.
Scrummy64 I should probably play Apollo Justice again, after I beat Spirit of Justice. I remember finding Trucy's dad particularly despicable, because of how he didn't seem to see anything wrong with abandoning his daughter and destroying Phoenix's career, just to pull off some magic trick for the sake of stroking his own ego, but I don't remember much about the others being bad. Even though Retinz was pretty evil himself, he was still a character I could sympathise with though. Murdering his own fan, and trying to frame Trucy for her grandfather's decision was atrocious behaviour, but I found it all easier to stomach, because of how the story clearly paints him as a villain, unlike the rest of the troupe.
Well personally I would've said Zak (Trucy's dad) was the better of the three men. Granted, he DID pretty much abandon Trucy, but even if he hadn't, he would've ended up in prison for a murder he didn't commit. The destruction of Phoenix's career was no fault of Zak's; it was set up by the vindictive Kristoph Gavin after Zak trashed him in Phoenix's favour. Magnifi was a real piece of s**t who faked his own daughter's death just to use it as leverage to control his two apprentices (who both believed they were responsible), while Valant was effectively living in Zak's shadow to the point where he tried to have him imprisoned for Magnifi's "murder" in order to push himself up the ladder. Zak was still an a**hole, but the main reason he did the things he did was because of the amount of crap Magnifi and Valant threw his way.
Scrummy64 Like I said, it has been a while since I played Apollo Justice, so I should look at it again, but I definitely remember hating Zak the most, by far.
Out of all the non-overarching villains in Ace Attorney, Mr. Reus easily is one of the most evil, if not the most. Holding a petty grudge for over a decade, leading to a revenge plot where he had an innocent fan killed for no other reason than to frame and to tarnish the name of the last descendant of the magicians he hated, an innocent and kind hearted girl who was willing and eager to give him a new chance on the stage. On top of that, he got two other innocent girls to be unwitting accomplices to his murder scheme, and also planned to completely destroy the lives of Trucy's friends and her new father. And to top it off, once he's caught his only reaction is a twisted sense of victory from Trucy never seeing through his illusions, not realizing that another descendant of the Gramaryes was the one to undo his scheme in front of everyone. What a complete and total piece of work.
SPOILERS: This theme captures Reus/Retins well. A man consumed by his anger and hatred over those that had forsaken him. A man who would go so far as to slay a devout fan just to see the last of the Gramaryes suffer.
i kinda want to see him again only because he possibly has rage equel to pearls mother who hired a ghost to kill someone lol if he still a magician he could do what a magician does best and disappear from his cell.
SPOILERS I knew Retinz was Reus since the beginning, because the dead Reus looked too young. He should had been the around the same age as Zak and Valant.
Man, imagine being Manov Mistree here. There's not too much to say, so I get why hardly anyone mentions him when talking about this case, but this dude has one of the saddest deaths in the series; not in terms of its impact on others, but purely because of the impact it has on him. We don't ever meet him or get much of anything about him, really, outside of his love of magic and Mr. Reus, so there isn't much character to interpret or analyze. Still, I think it's fair to say that the reasoning behind his death has some level of universal appeal that makes his unfortunate end that much worse: after all, they say never meet your heroes. His only mistake was liking the wrong guy, a mistake that got him killed. A lot of people got screwed over by Mr. Reus in the end, but Manov Mistree got the shortest end of the stick despite being the person Reus should have been the most appreciative towards. It says a lot about a man who would willingly kill perhaps the one person in the world who recognized and appreciated him in order to get one over on a dead guy, but other people have talked about that in more detail (and far better) than I could. I just want to draw more attention to Manov Mistree, who - in my opinion - deserves to be talked about more often when people explain why they like this case so much.
I like how Retinz’s magician design was modeled after the Joker in a deck of cards. After all, the card(s) is usually not used, and it’s not useful to the deck at all unless it needs to fill in for another card, which in turn makes it a wild card; a card that can represent any other card in the deck. (Which could reference how Retinz’s magic is proven/stated to be greater than Trucy’s.) It’s also said that the Joker can be the most beneficial or harmful card in the game. I feel as if Retinz could have been useful to Troupe Gramarye, (considering his skill) if it weren’t for his arrogance and desire to be in the spotlight without consideration for others. (Then again, maybe Magnifi could have done something besides firing him, but I’m not entirely sure.) Instead, though, he was harmful to the Troupe/Trucy/the Wright Anything Agency. And then, he could only be beaten (as a wild card) by another card in the game that he’d had no idea about: Apollo, who you could call another wild card, seeing as his worth as a Gramarye was never realized. (Also, to top it off, Retinz didn’t predict another Gramarye would beat him; he doesn’t even know it happened.) Also, to add to the wild card Apollo thing: a colored/RED joker normally outranks the black joker, so that probably means the colored joker would beat the black joker.
the name of mr reus in the official french version is “joker le magnifique” because it refers to the theme of the grimoire troupe with the joker card and the appearance of the magician who looks like the joker.
I love how this theme sounds like something you'd hear in a magic show, because that's really what this whole case was in a way. A twisted magic show by Mr. Reus.
If you ask me, Roger Retinz is one the best villains this series has to offer. He’s probably up there in the top 10 for me. He isn’t really layered or deep like some other villains, but that doesn’t really matter. Sometimes all you need as a completely hateable slimeball to be a good villain, and Roger is not only a dick with capital D, but he even manages to raise the stakes pretty high, threatening to repossess the Wright Anything Agency and all that. Out of all the villains in this series, Roger is the biggest one that I absolutely LOVE to LOATHE. I wouldn’t change a thing about him.
SPOILERS: The beauty of this villain is the fact that you think the game will repeat Dual Destinies 2nd case with a comically over-the-top campy villain. Not that there is anything wrong with that, in fact I liked Florent, but it felt like Retinz was going to be another Florent. Then, after his little camera trick in the court lobby, you say to yourself, "Oh, so that's why he hates the Gamaryes, because maybe he was a magician, at one point in his career, and his magic wasn't good enough to keep ratings high for one of his produced shows. Therefore, he had to switch to trashy reality shows to compete. I guess we will see this 'raja' transform into a magician closer to the end of the case." It was somewhat misleading though, the game leads you to believe that you have the case figured out, like you weren't supposed to piece it together with that little stunt in the court lobby, and you are ahead of the case, but the developers smack you across the face with the revelation, that Reus isn't dead, and say "never doubt our writing ever again." Plus, even after the twist, he was a great villain with a tragic breakdown, tragic past, all wrapped up with a somewhat tragic theme. Well done, Spirit of Justice.
Captain Useless actually when he did the slight of hand bit in the lobby I immediately guessed he was Mr. Reus. After all, he was kicked from the troupe and is the only magician known at the time to have a reason to dislike the Gramayes.
the ost for this game is so good man how do they pump out quality so consistently??? there is literally not a single bad ace attorney game and that is why it will always be my favorite
@@sillycat103 Because phoenix isn't the main character. All fanbases are scared of change and it sucks so much. Apollo justice was such a damn good game and never gets enough credit. So Mr.Turbonator, give me a reason why Apollo Justice isn't good that doesn't include Phoenix. But you can't. Because there is none.
Justice for All. It has, in my opinion, the weakest line up of cases, aside from the Finale. The starting case is rather shallow and poor, with a rather silly contrivance to give you a tutorial (amnesia? Really?), with a really poor villain. Case 2: Not the worst, but I did not like this case very much, outside of Pearly and Morgan. It feels somewhat rushed as a case and it probably would of suited more as a built up final case. Case 3: I do not speak of Big Top...Big Top is just Horrible. The investigation is boring and dull, none of the characters are likeable or enjoyable, outside of Franziska being Franziska. Acro is a horrible villain. Case 4: I'll be honest, this is the only reason I replay JFA. A wonderful case. Great villain, a nice reversal of you Losing and Defending the guilty party, Edgeworths return, solid investigation and trail sections. But that's it. None of them are horrible. Just JFA is the worst of the bunch.
@@anishthefish2439 I wouldn't say it isn't good. It's got some really bad cases in my opinion. Case 3 has always annoyed me because it feels like it abruptly ends, it's villain and some of the logic jumps the Prosecution goes for are just retarded. Case 2 is OK, it's not horrible, but it's average. Case 4 has a good start, good middle, but I feel like the final investigation section with Wright is too much time travel and scene jumping with little flow. Case 1 is ABSOLUTELY SOLID though. Best starting case in the series.
true, but what about Aura Blackquill taking a bunch of people, including TRUCY, hostage? what about that picture of Athena as a child COVERED IN BLOOD? or Athena's Straight-up mental breakdown, for that matter? plus, The parts about the game not taking itself too seriously, what with the comic relief, especially in certain cases, could easily be applied to AJ too. I'm not saying Dual Destinies is pure grimdark, but i'd say it's Darker than any of the DS games.
Well, In Dual Destinies... A courtroom was Blown up by a time bomb, and a woman was murdered by a corrupt Bomb squad member who SOLD BOMBS on the black market, possibly acting as a supplier for TERRORISTS AND WAR CRIMINALS. Damian Tenma was being blackmailed by his aide to merge with another town so he could get access to said town's treasure and pay off his debts, or else his daughter would be harmed, and the alderman of the other town was murdered for opposing said merger. Constance Courte was murdered because she tried to confront a colleague for accepting bribes and being corrupt. A Space shuttle was Sabotaged, Clay Terran was murdered, and Solomon Starbuck was given severe PTSD and a crippling fear of space, all thanks to a Cold-blooded, emotionless spy. Athena Cykes' mother was murdered for trying to do a psychological profile on the aforementioned spy, Simon Blackquill was put on death row for it, and Athena ended up thinking that SHE was responsible, and having a mental breakdown. I Suppose it's up for debate whether It's DARKER then The DS Games, but saying it doesn't compare to any of them is a bit much.
@Sonim Bopish Yeah, but the whole game had the dark age of the law theme and Athena's backstory, and even if things weren't super serious, that's just the nature of these games. And SoJ was much lighter.
I remember that the first thing that threw me off about Mr. Reus wasn't him looking the same as thirteen years ago, as there are many characters in Ace Attorney who didn't age accordingly either (for example, in AJ, Lamiroir also looked too young for her age). It was rather his overall features. You can see it most clearly when you compare the Reus in the Gramarye poster to the one in the poster for Trucy's show. At least to me, there seemed to be something in his features on the Gramarye poster that made him look slightly evil and arrogant, particularly the area around his eyes and his grin. In the poster for Trucy's show though, those same features were drawn much softer, his smile was much more gentle and to me, his entire expression also looked way more shy than the one he wore in the old poster. It's also visible in the mugshot and the video of him we get later on. They just didn't seem to look the same as the one on the Gramarye poster. I might be the only one who sees that, though? Maybe I'm really just imagining it, I don't know. But I remember that that very slight difference between the two irritated me throughout the entire investigation and trial. It wasn't enough for me to get the idea that they were two different persons though. I just thought that maybe, Mr. Reus had been traumatized by his accident and his ousting by Magnifi, and that that was the reason why he was now being more subdued and less arrogant in his postures.
Speaking of things that irritated throughout the trial, why does no one bring up the obvious problem with the idea that Trucy stabbed Reus in the coffin? Blood. If you were to stab someone with a blade and then pull the blade out there should be a pool of blood around the victim. Instead there's only a little bit of blood on the hole through which Trucy would have stabbed him. He's in a tiny little coffin. There's nowhere else for the blood to go except on the floor of it. Yet there's absolutely no blood splatter around the site of the coffin.
Spoilers I like how at the start he was a super mega douche who you couldn't help but hate, trying to get an innocent little girl convicted for murder and tried to make everyone think she was secretly a black-hearted witch. And tried to punish her friends for being her friends with an over-encumbered debt that she unwittingly signed. I knew I was going to enjoy tearing him to shreds in the court. But the moment you reveal who he is, an instant change and he was a completely different person, serious, dark, giving off a powerful vibe, true villain material. But still the same man you immediately grew to hate, but know he felt more like a threat. Even though I hated him, I couldn't deny how much of a badass he turned into the moment he revealed his true colours.
SPOILERS: The ending of this case would have been so much better if apollo and trucy knew they were siblings at the end of AJ because after his breakdown Apollo could have told Mr. Reus that he didn't win after all because he's another descendant of the Gramaryes.
This guy really hated gramarye's. To the point he wanted to ruin the career of someone who wasn't even born yet. He's an odd villain but I his theme is really good
GOD it's so fuckin Tasty that Retinz has this spiel that even though his plan was discovered, he's still convinced that he defeated the Gramaryes , without realising that Apollo is in fact, a Gramarye himself 😩👌
The thing is, would a narcissist like him even care if he knew who Apollo was? Considering that he's "just" an attorney, not a magician, Retinz would probably dismiss Apollo to hold onto what's left of his pride. Like, Apollo really doesn't have a place in a battle of magicians, even if by blood he's related to one.
Damn this case was so good. Especially after the lack of Trucy in Dual Destinies. SOJ really is a breath of fresh air, it’s far and away the closest to replicating the feel of the original AA games
Probably one of my favorite "final cross examination" transformations ever. No over the top declarations, no wildly different mood swings, no big ass amps out of nowhere. He goes from loud mouthed, greedy jerk to quietly intimidating simply by rolling up his sleeves.
what's worse is that Alba kept putting on very tough alibis and points that take deus ex machinas to break (literally, i want someone to count the number of deus ex machinas in aai1's last case)
Somehow, someway, this guy managed to keep having my favorite breakdown, even after playing Investigations 2. That game's mastermind's breakdown is good, but its no Roger Retinz .
I've seen things saying that the fact that Jevil from Deltarune is imprisoned is a refrence to the fact that he is a joker and many card games don't use the jokers, so they are removed from the deck. That can also apply to Mr. Reus being fired from the troupe.
Love the song, as well as the breakdown that accompanies this character. While it's not my all time favorite breakdown, there's just something about it that I find incredibly satisfying.
I just finished this case, and it was so good. This theme is absolutely one of my favorites so far, especially when it was paired with his breakdown sequence. I feel bad for Roger's fan, though. Poor guy probably didn't even understand what was going on. At least he died doing what he loved.
This reveal was absolutely epic, the way his expression changed and how he started doing coin tricks was blowing my fucking mind, it goes so well with this theme.
I freaking love this theme. SPOILERS Roger Retinz was an incredible villain in my opinion. He almost managed to ruin the reputations of Trucy and Apollo! He may be a jerk, but he really made this case fantastic.
*Spoilers* This theme plays on numerous occasions in Case 2, more specifically when Mr. Reus is mentioned. Alongside that, it is also played to replace Roger Retinz's theme when he is revealed to be the masked magician, Mr. Reus, also playing as his breakdown occurs.
My only gripe with him being the main villain would have been Dhurke serving far less of a purpose, and the twist involving him would be a little bit lamer without Ga'ran
The Magical turnabout is one of the best cases in series, at first I thought retinz hired an assassin to murder Mr Reus but as the game proceeded I realized it wasn't the case. I kinda like this theme, it gives me mix feelings.
It's fitting that Reus represent the Joker of the Gramarye suit convention... both in the fact that it's a card that is inexorably linked to one of the most iconic villains of all time, and in the fact that it's the suitless card of the standard deck that commonly is exculded and unneeded.
It's also known as the _wild card_ which probably explains why Magnifi, rampet perfectionist that he was, decided to kick him out of the troupe after one mistake out of fear of reputational ruin and explains Mr. Rues arrogance and bloody mindedness towards Troupe Gramarye in general.
SPOILERS. I'm going to just say it. Roger Retinz is one of the most evil killers and people in the entire series. He wasn't interested in killing for Power, Money, or anything of the sort. He had plenty of money with his tv show. He literally just wanted revenge on everyone associated to Troupe Gramarye, including someone who was just a child and respected him when she got older. He used a fan of his, someone who respected him to just take down Trucy and killed him, and showed no remorse whatsoever, and also wanted to take down anyone that was with Trucy along with her. He is just full of hate and revenge, and this theme captures that perfectly imo.
I like how (unlike other culprits in the past)his appearance doesn’t completely change when his true identity is revealed. He just pulled back his sleeves, strikes that pose, and his whole demeanor is completely different. Definitely one of the best culprits we’ve seen in the series.
Here's my insight on the culprit from this case (SPOILERS): It all started when Magnifi kicked Mr Reus, Roger Retinz, out of the troupe. It seemed like the main reason was because he disobeyed Magnifi and got himself injured. But that wasn't the true reason why Magnifi kicked him out. The real reason was that Retinz had NO passion for magic. Now I think we can all agree on something; YES, Magnifi is NOT a pleasant person. He did TERRIBLE things. But if there's one thing I can safely say is that Magnifi was passionate for magic. The problem with Magnifi is, from my point of view, that over time his passion became overly passionate and it started to spread to the rest of the troupe and all of their worst traits started to show up and the trust between each other was starting to dry up. With all that said; Magnifi clearly saw that Retinz had no passion for magic to begin with. Retinz claimed that he dreamed to become a magician, but that's nothing more then a lie to himself. Retinz's dream is to just be the center of attention even if it means doing reckless stuff that the passionate magicians against. Because Retinz cared more about himself then magic and entertaining people. Again, not justifying Magnifi and the other members of the troupe (Mostly Zak), but Magnifi was in the right to fire Retinz for his narcissism. After that Retinz went on to become the famous producer, the Ratings Rajah, where he got to do what he wanted for all his life: Be the center of attention. There he did stuff like having him go to restaurants and try out their food. He was successful as seen throughout the case as Nahyuta had to wait in line for an entire hour just to try some of the food in the restaurant and had many fans. But despite all of that Retinz pride was too fragile. He hated the Gramarye for booting him out from the troupe. It was originally his dream to be the center of attention as a magician and not on television. So even though Retinz got the center of attention that he wanted it wasn't in the way he WANTED it to be. And so he spent a good decade planning to destroy the Gramarye for "ruining" him. Problem was that in the later years is that Magnifi committed suicide, Zak was murdered, Valant went to prison, and Thalassa was missing (And retired from magic) so there was no way he could take his revenge on them. At least directly. After all, Zak and Thalassa had a daughter who also happens to be Magnifi's granddaughter. So because she was blood related to them he decided to put his revenge on her. 2 years before the case he ran into Manov Mistree who was was a fan of Mr Reus (And probably the only one seeing as how Mr Reus has became obscured at that time). It was at that point that Retinz decided to "take" Manov under his wing and teach him all of his tricks. But all of that was nothing more then him using Manov as his pawn as he most likely had started thinking about killing Manov and putting his death on Trucy. After all, Retinz doesn't trust anybody except himself. We all know what happened next; He manipulated everybody around him. Manov, the twins, and Trucy to get his revenge. He took Manov's life away, almost ruined Trucy, and almost made Apollo, Athena, and Phoenix lose their office. All because he held a petty grudge against a troupe that died out. And the worst part is that he could have had a happy life after leaving the troupe. He became famous and became the center of attention that he wanted. And Manov becoming his successor could have been another form of his revenge just by having Manov continue to be Mr Reus and keeping the Mr Reus name alive while the Gramarye name is dead. Sure, Trucy is planning on bringing it back to life, but he's a famous producer now. He could make Manov an internationally famous magician while Trucy could just be a small name magician. There was literally NO need to get revenge on them. I look back at his Mr Reus design and can't help but feel how it sums up Retinz very well. He only has half a mask over his face. It could mean that Mr Reus is two-faced. And that what Retinz is; Two-faced. And seeing the Mr Reus mask burn up in his breakdown is also a perfectly good metaphor for how his petty grudge killed the name of Mr Reus forever. To sum him up; Retinz is a magician without the heart of a magician and cares only himself. He didn't make the perfect illusion. He IS the illusion. It's pathetic really.
I agree with almost everything, but I wouldn't say he had NO passion for magic. His magic may be a means to an end to get attention, but I don't think skills like his just come about naturally. It feels like it's something you'd have to work towards. If one just wanted attention there's plenty of simpler ways to get it. Even years and years after getting kicked out he still retained those skills, and even spent two years training someone else to learn all his techniques. I'd say the issue wasn't a lack of passion, but caring more for the fame of the position rather than the magic itself. Like, the results of his magic are for his own gratification, not the amusement of the audience.
He actually said that all he ever wanted as a child was to be a great magician, so I would say he had a passion. I think Apollo says it best, about him having no regard for human life, his or others.
Spoilers for AJ Case 1 below: Killing Zak was literally the only good thing Kristoph did, even if that was also in revenge, for Zak saying Kristoph couldn’t be Zak’s attorney because he was bad at poker. But the upside to Kristoph smashing Zak’s head in with Barok van Zieks’ wine bottle is that this guy couldn’t take revenge on Zak. Still doesn’t make Reus at all sympathetic though. Completely unforgivable as to what he did.
Hee hee hee ha ha ha Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ho ho ho hee hee! Take a good look, everyone! Unable to find a rival worthy of my genius, I was forced to create one by myself! Here I am! The tragic clown... Wrong game same motif
Something I find so fucked is that Retinz was willing to kill his own student and fan, Mistree, in order to frame Trucy, like poor Mistree he probably didn't even suspect he was being used and in the middle of their plan to prank Trucy he suddenly got murdered in the Magical murder.
Mix in the office invasion episode, complete with whipping up a violent mob against the Wright Anything Agency, and I am left wondering how he's "not heinous enough for the Complete Monster trope."
Retinz was such a good villain. The first time I played this case I didn’t think too much of it but years later when I played it again it sent chills down my spine. His breakdown has to be one of the best ones in AA history and then coupled with this soundtrack? Top tier
I cannot decide for the life of me which case is my favourite from this game.... All of them are beyond amazing. This is my new favourite game in the series that's for sure.
There absolutely needs to be a scene in a future AA game where, once Apollo learns the truth about Trucy, Thalass and himself, he rubs it in Roger’s face that he is the son of Thalassa, and as such a Gramarye did defeat him. His supposed “victory” was a farce
This piece of shit was worst than every Gramarye ever. How cold must you be to HORRIBLY kill your own disciple in order to take revenge on someone else? Oh my God, I cannot comprehend that. What a cold killer 😢, my girl Trucy. Great villain tho.
Well, Zak may not be a killer, but I think he's about as bad as Roger for basically betraying his own daughter out of pride. He abandoned her, forcing Phoenix to adopt her, then comes back 7 years later to ruin Phoenix's reputation on a false charge because Phoenix was using her talent to help with his job. The same job which was feeding and keeping his child in a stable home. While he was trying to secure her magical future of being his sucessor, he still basically was going to kill her financial future for his own ends, making him a pretty shit-tier dad.
I really didn't think I'd like a villain more than the mastermind of Investigations 2. And dude wasn't even overarching. His Alibi had me completely fooled.
The best part is knowing that sleazy no good bastard was taken down by the grandson of the man he hated/by the brother of the one he tried to ruin. Too bad the characters in game didn't know that it would have been the icing on cake him knowing that.
Well despite being kicked from the troupe, he truly carries on the Gramarye tradition of being a jerk.
YES I HATE HIM
And the real sad thing? He could have picked his old dreams back up if he had just let go of his petty grudge, Trucy would have been fine with him rejoining the troupe given how the victim impersonating him was allowed back on board. Revenge before reason at it's finest...
i love his breakdown ♡
same
hey paul, your breakdown is so danganronpa like it's not even funny
Turnabout Just a Prank Bro definitely turned out to be high tier as fuck
*tips fedora* m'agician
@@aetherarising5243 lmao
All of these twists and it's just the second case
It's just a prank, bro
OMG I thought of the same thing while played through the case! LOL
Nathan Rigsby I saw something on imgur where it was Apollo and the judge saying
"It was just..."
"a PRANK BRO?"
*gets stabbed after being lifted up*
Mr. Reus: OH MY DUDE YOU JUST GOT PRANKED! Bet you didn't expect that one, did ya?
*when mr reus is found guilty* "THERE'S A CAMERA, THERE'S A CAMERA BRO"
Murder was literally involved. I don't think it's a prank anymore...
Robert Downey Jr. as a magician. Now I've seen it all...
Robert Downey Jr. as a magician, as a TV producer
i thought he was Johnny Depp xD
YES! I was trying to think who he reminded me of!!! Robert Downey Jr.!
Robert Downey Jr's and Johnny Depp's ultimate fused form
I wonder if it was a nod to the RDJ Sherlock Holmes films? ...Come to think if it, Retinz kills with methods and motivations very similar to the serial killer in the first RDJ Sherlock movie (who uses conniving manipulation of people to fake his own execution and also kills an additional 3 people without laying a finger on any of them), and it does seem as though the AA team did research on modern interpretations on the Sherlock Holmes character for Dai Gyakuten Saiban...
I like to think the reason trucy didn’t see the trick behind the case is because she would never even imagine magic being used to kill someone.
She is an innocent girl
Reus was wrong, the real reason of Trucy not seeing his tricks wasn't rookie-ness, it was her perspective towards magic. different perspective makes you see or not see different things in different way.
Edit: I have a short point to add in this: Trucy didn't notice it because she didn't think anyone would use magic in such mischievous and evil ways, she thinks magic is to make people smile, to entertain, not for evil tricks, just as @jay7022 said
@@pkmntrainerred4247 right and that’s what makes Reus so twisted and downright evil. His twisted perspective of magic led to him taking an innocent life and even have to a lifelong fan of Trucy turn on her. He’s one seriously evil character.
Trucy even says this is probably why Magnifi booted him out of the troupe, because he only viewed magic as the means to an end.
@@pkmntrainerred4247Just want to say that I gave you the 151st like and you have a Red pfp
What impressed me of this guy, aside from how terrifyingly perfect his plan was in theory, is that the charismatic masterminds were always people we didn't easily suspect, otherwise we'd have plain punchable brats that just screamed to be put down. This is the first guy that we knew was guilty as cliche saturday villains get, but even so became more imposing and oddly admirable when the mask of greed fell and exposed a deep, lifelong hatred.
Tbf a lot of first-game villains were like that too, or even Furio from 3-3
@ogy A bit, first impression of Furio could have been that the guy was an exagerate poser, but did turn out to be a ruthless mafia boss. However he never feigned anything and it was never more than business to him. What I mean is that Reus feigned greed to hide his hate, the motive here being something that by extension would uncover his background and his real capabilities when it came to commiting the murder.
Magnifi may have been an abusive ass to his troupe, but at least he never killed fans like this guy. It takes a special kind of evil to get a guy like Magnifi to disown you.
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Well Magnifi did essentially set one of his disciples up so he would be arrested for murder so he isn't a morally good character. I viewed the villain as another one of Magnifi's victims, that took his hatred way too far.
Light Dotogam I never said Magnifi was a "morally good" guy or implied otherwise. I just said that he doesn't kill fans unlike Mr. Reus.
That's true, but I don't think it would take much to get Magnifi to disown someone. I mean the reasoning we're given is that Reus made a mistake and was kicked out.
Granted we don't know that much about Reus back then, but he didn't seem to be an evil douchebag like he was after being kicked out.
Yeah, as bad as Magnifi could be, Reus was easily one of the biggest slimeballs in this series.
@kylezaking: Even worse! Reus killed his ONLY fan in the world. The one person that admired his work as a member of the Troupe Gramarye.
Does anyone else think Reus and 6-2 as a whole could have EASILY made for an interesting final case for Apollo with some tweaking? Between Trucy's emotional breakdown, heavy ties to the Gramaryes, the eviction conflict, and Phoenix passing the torch to Apollo, theres some REALLY good final case worthy tension to be had. And with the sheer popularity and media power Roger Retinz has he still has that threat of 'a foe more powerful than you.'
Heck, since this case has heavy ties with the Gramaryes they could have FINLLY tied up that thalassa plotline too with her helping with the show only for Reus to realize who she is and try and drag her down with Trucy somehow. Plus bringing him down could be even more satisfying as when he clings to him outtricking a Gramarye, Thalassa/Apollo (if he found out b4) could rip his last bit of ego to shreds by revealing that Apollo, a Gramarye, was the one who revealed all of Reus' tricks and gimmicks for everyone to see.
I wonder if Reus would consider Apollo a true Gramarye though. Apollo is Magnifi's grandson, but he's no magician carrying on the Gramarye legacy like Trucy. A boy who embodies the Sahdmahdis more than he embodies the Gramaryes. I could see Reus keeping his ego safe by just not considering Apollo a true Gramarye regardless of his blood. Trucy wasn't targeted because of her blood relation. Its because she inherited the rights to Magnifi's magic and wanted to do him proud.
Zak Gramarye has no blood relation to Magnifi, but I bet if he had tried to make a magical comeback before he gave the rights to Trucy, Reus would want to ruin him too. But Apollo? He's just a lawyer who never even knew his ex-magician mother when growing up.
@@Teknanam Honestly, I think Reus would be even more distraught about Apollo, Magnifi Gramarye's Grandson who doesn't know anything about performing Magic, actually seeking through his tricks! A Magician having his tricks be seen through by someone not familiar with how said tricks are performed normally is embarrassing for normal Magician's, but it would have been a living hell foe Mr. Reus, especially since Apollo is related to his enemies by blood!
This is such a wonderful idea. I wish we’d gotten this AND turnabout Revolution. It would have been the best AA game ever (although SoJ is already my favorite tied with T&T)
Roger Retinz could be such a pain in the ass through the entire game, getting more and more hostile towards the end like he did in this case.
This sounds so appealing I thought about it too. This is where their blood connection should have been revealed and I'm highly disappointed it wasn't. I also agree it would been a better then the ending we got sorry not sorry.
The most surprisingly deep and well-crafted one-case villain in the main series.
Asserts complete control over the protagonists’ lives immediately with enough power to drive them out of their office, then is later revealed to be a bitter and vengeful reject.
What a weirdly amazing case.
I don't know if he beats Luke Atmey and Gant, though. Those two are also amazing.
@@galegopaulista4564
Gant is overarching.
@@catalyst539 no he is not
While 1-5 might feel like an entire game at times, it is most definitely a single case....
Are you forgetting about Redd White?
I think this is the best villain Apollo ever exposed.
indeed, actually, this is my fav case in SOJ thanks to him.
Just too fabulous.
I kinda wish he knew he was a onii-chan at this point.
Would have made this even more personal..
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I would say "but Kristoph" but than I remembered Phoenix was the one who exposed him
He used a fan, someone who greatly admired him for his petty revenge. Sure, the Gramaryes are no saints, but damn, he's a complete sociopath with no soul for that. He even tried to frame an innocent young lady that he hated simply because she was born into the lineage. He even used two girls as his accomplices without them knowing. This theme reflects how he feels superior to the Gramaryes, and also hateful towards them. It has also a tone of evil to it, reflecting his black heart. His Ratings Rajah persona is very well-crafted. His ability to completely masquerade his true intentions makes him all the more dangerous. Even if he is a magician, it takes more than magical experience to do what he did. He was really able to do it because he simply had no regard for anyone but himself, his ego, and his revenge. I think he is one of the most deserving Ace Attorney villains to end up behind bars.
More like executed.
Correction: *The* only fan, not a fan. Yea Manov was the only fan he had
Its honestly really telling how during his breakdown his masks of Troupe Gramarye appear in order of how bad each member was, and Reus' mask ends up higher than Magnifi. Magnifi was by far the worst of them all, so it says a lot to be placed even WORSE than him.
@@pkmntrainerred4247 It's crazy that Roger Retinz would throw away his only chance at leaving behind a legacy simply because he could not overcome a trivial and irrational grudge for simply being kicked out of Troupe Gramarye for being reckless and performing with an injury against the troupe leader's orders. There were so many more constructive methods he could have taken to right the wrongs of his past. He could have had his fan, who took up his mantle, begin to form a new magician troupe that would outclass and put the old troupe to shame - a legal method to get revenge on those long since passed. (Although, I do wonder if Trucy would join such a group or if Roger would be against the idea since he would still be in control due to his mentorship of Manov Mistree).
Apollo when his biological mother is from the troupe: we do a little trollin'
You still can't convince me that that isn't either Robert Downey Jr. or Johnny Depp.
Fool.. this is Robbie Depp Jr
@@maggintons U fool. This is Robbey Deerpy Rewney Jr.
To me, he looks like if Robert Downey Jr never got out of the dark part of his life
Jobert Deppey Sr.
I could easily see him being the final boss of Apollo Justice if that game had 5 cases, it would fit in pretty well with the narrative.
What a great villain - contends with Luke Atmey for "best Case 2 villain" IMO
I think how much I hate Trucy's dad, despite the game barely ever pointing out how much of a piece of shit he is at all really helped me sympathise with Reus, and appreciate his plan. Although we don't see much of Magnifi, it is probably a pretty logical assumption than he had a lot in common with Trucy's dad.
Absolutely! The entirety of Troupe Gramarye (with the exception of Thalassa) were a bunch of Grade-A a**holes so it doesn't come as a surprise that Retinz despises them to the depth of his soul.
Of course, the point where he goes wrong is when he decides to target Trucy, who bears no resemblance in personality to her predecessors, just to spit on Magnifi's grave.
Scrummy64
I should probably play Apollo Justice again, after I beat Spirit of Justice.
I remember finding Trucy's dad particularly despicable, because of how he didn't seem to see anything wrong with abandoning his daughter and destroying Phoenix's career, just to pull off some magic trick for the sake of stroking his own ego, but I don't remember much about the others being bad.
Even though Retinz was pretty evil himself, he was still a character I could sympathise with though. Murdering his own fan, and trying to frame Trucy for her grandfather's decision was atrocious behaviour, but I found it all easier to stomach, because of how the story clearly paints him as a villain, unlike the rest of the troupe.
Well personally I would've said Zak (Trucy's dad) was the better of the three men.
Granted, he DID pretty much abandon Trucy, but even if he hadn't, he would've ended up in prison for a murder he didn't commit. The destruction of Phoenix's career was no fault of Zak's; it was set up by the vindictive Kristoph Gavin after Zak trashed him in Phoenix's favour.
Magnifi was a real piece of s**t who faked his own daughter's death just to use it as leverage to control his two apprentices (who both believed they were responsible), while Valant was effectively living in Zak's shadow to the point where he tried to have him imprisoned for Magnifi's "murder" in order to push himself up the ladder.
Zak was still an a**hole, but the main reason he did the things he did was because of the amount of crap Magnifi and Valant threw his way.
Scrummy64
Like I said, it has been a while since I played Apollo Justice, so I should look at it again, but I definitely remember hating Zak the most, by far.
It took me 6 months to realize that Mr Reus was wordplay on Mysterious
OH GOD- I thought that "Reus" was a random name without meaning lol
It's a double wordplay
Mr.Reus = Mysterious
Reus = Ruse (A lie or trick)
When I first saw the name written and hadn't heard it said yet, I thought it was pronounced Mr. Ruse.
Reus is also Latin for guilty.
@@discorobots198 But... isn't his name said out loud right at the opening cutscene of the case?
Out of all the non-overarching villains in Ace Attorney, Mr. Reus easily is one of the most evil, if not the most.
Holding a petty grudge for over a decade, leading to a revenge plot where he had an innocent fan killed for no other reason than to frame and to tarnish the name of the last descendant of the magicians he hated, an innocent and kind hearted girl who was willing and eager to give him a new chance on the stage.
On top of that, he got two other innocent girls to be unwitting accomplices to his murder scheme, and also planned to completely destroy the lives of Trucy's friends and her new father.
And to top it off, once he's caught his only reaction is a twisted sense of victory from Trucy never seeing through his illusions, not realizing that another descendant of the Gramaryes was the one to undo his scheme in front of everyone. What a complete and total piece of work.
A fantastic Villain tooo bad he was not overarching ... this second case felt so tense
And I love him for it
@NeoSeraphi I’d say Reus is still worse
Simon Keyes is still at the top, in my opinion
oops went too far
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This theme captures Reus/Retins well. A man consumed by his anger and hatred over those that had forsaken him. A man who would go so far as to slay a devout fan just to see the last of the Gramaryes suffer.
Personally, i feel the theme actually has a kind of cheerful ring to it at some points, like 1:45 onward. Then it suddenly drops down into despair.
i kinda want to see him again only because he possibly has rage equel to pearls mother who hired a ghost to kill someone lol
if he still a magician he could do what a magician does best and disappear from his cell.
plus i kinda want to hear more about his failed trick that got him scarw
thank you for putting spoiler tags
Actually he IS living an ilusion as he believes he defeated all the Gramaryes when instead Apollo, ho has Gramarye blood, defeated him
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I knew Retinz was Reus since the beginning, because the dead Reus looked too young. He should had been the around the same age as Zak and Valant.
yep, but I didn't expect him to be that malicious(for a second case villain)
but his plan was genius IMO
But if the dead Reus would look as old as Valant, he would look to similiar to Retinz.
Half his face was obscured by a mask and he probably used makeup, being on TV and all. It's perfectly possible that he'd look the same all this time.
Well, looks like Mr. Reus is going to be the next Danganronpa since Monokuma likes him, the Ultimate Magician. Hahahahah!! xD
Monokuma u didn’t gap ur comment enough...
This song just isn’t the same without the coin flip sounds.
Man, imagine being Manov Mistree here. There's not too much to say, so I get why hardly anyone mentions him when talking about this case, but this dude has one of the saddest deaths in the series; not in terms of its impact on others, but purely because of the impact it has on him. We don't ever meet him or get much of anything about him, really, outside of his love of magic and Mr. Reus, so there isn't much character to interpret or analyze. Still, I think it's fair to say that the reasoning behind his death has some level of universal appeal that makes his unfortunate end that much worse: after all, they say never meet your heroes. His only mistake was liking the wrong guy, a mistake that got him killed.
A lot of people got screwed over by Mr. Reus in the end, but Manov Mistree got the shortest end of the stick despite being the person Reus should have been the most appreciative towards. It says a lot about a man who would willingly kill perhaps the one person in the world who recognized and appreciated him in order to get one over on a dead guy, but other people have talked about that in more detail (and far better) than I could. I just want to draw more attention to Manov Mistree, who - in my opinion - deserves to be talked about more often when people explain why they like this case so much.
Also, this song is really good.
Excellent point. I remember feeling for him moreso than I did for other victims of ace attorney.
Honestly top 6 victims, right below Turner Grey
This sounds like an ultimate villain theme.
More like a telling the truth theme
At the beginning only though
I like how Retinz’s magician design was modeled after the Joker in a deck of cards.
After all, the card(s) is usually not used, and it’s not useful to the deck at all unless it needs to fill in for another card, which in turn makes it a wild card; a card that can represent any other card in the deck. (Which could reference how Retinz’s magic is proven/stated to be greater than Trucy’s.)
It’s also said that the Joker can be the most beneficial or harmful card in the game. I feel as if Retinz could have been useful to Troupe Gramarye, (considering his skill) if it weren’t for his arrogance and desire to be in the spotlight without consideration for others. (Then again, maybe Magnifi could have done something besides firing him, but I’m not entirely sure.)
Instead, though, he was harmful to the Troupe/Trucy/the Wright Anything Agency. And then, he could only be beaten (as a wild card) by another card in the game that he’d had no idea about: Apollo, who you could call another wild card, seeing as his worth as a Gramarye was never realized. (Also, to top it off, Retinz didn’t predict another Gramarye would beat him; he doesn’t even know it happened.)
Also, to add to the wild card Apollo thing: a colored/RED joker normally outranks the black joker, so that probably means the colored joker would beat the black joker.
the name of mr reus in the official french version is “joker le magnifique” because it refers to the theme of the grimoire troupe with the joker card and the appearance of the magician who looks like the joker.
- "There wasn't another disciple, was there ?"
- "... Your wild fancies couldn't be further from the truth !"
To be fair, by that point Mr. Reus hadnt been part of the troupe for years and Magnifi wouldnt have inherited anything to him
And yet, he was there at some point. I just wonder why Valant wouldn’t want to talk about him? Simply because he was removed from the group?
Smartest case 2 villain ever and greatest case 2 break down ever.
Agreed with “ever” on both parts. So so so good.
I don't know if he beats Luke Atmey, but he sure is up there.
I prefer Atmey, but this is deffo the second or third best second case in the franchise
I love how this theme sounds like something you'd hear in a magic show, because that's really what this whole case was in a way. A twisted magic show by Mr. Reus.
If you ask me, Roger Retinz is one the best villains this series has to offer. He’s probably up there in the top 10 for me. He isn’t really layered or deep like some other villains, but that doesn’t really matter. Sometimes all you need as a completely hateable slimeball to be a good villain, and Roger is not only a dick with capital D, but he even manages to raise the stakes pretty high, threatening to repossess the Wright Anything Agency and all that. Out of all the villains in this series, Roger is the biggest one that I absolutely LOVE to LOATHE. I wouldn’t change a thing about him.
You can almost hear Reus' hatred for the Gramaryes in this theme
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The beauty of this villain is the fact that you think the game will repeat Dual Destinies 2nd case with a comically over-the-top campy villain. Not that there is anything wrong with that, in fact I liked Florent, but it felt like Retinz was going to be another Florent.
Then, after his little camera trick in the court lobby, you say to yourself, "Oh, so that's why he hates the Gamaryes, because maybe he was a magician, at one point in his career, and his magic wasn't good enough to keep ratings high for one of his produced shows. Therefore, he had to switch to trashy reality shows to compete. I guess we will see this 'raja' transform into a magician closer to the end of the case."
It was somewhat misleading though, the game leads you to believe that you have the case figured out, like you weren't supposed to piece it together with that little stunt in the court lobby, and you are ahead of the case, but the developers smack you across the face with the revelation, that Reus isn't dead, and say "never doubt our writing ever again."
Plus, even after the twist, he was a great villain with a tragic breakdown, tragic past, all wrapped up with a somewhat tragic theme. Well done, Spirit of Justice.
and lets not forget how his mask betrayed him in his freakout
>Implying I didn't figure out he was the real Mr. Reus the moment I figured out he was a magician.
well i didn't figure that out
thank you for putting spoiler tags
Captain Useless actually when he did the slight of hand bit in the lobby I immediately guessed he was Mr. Reus. After all, he was kicked from the troupe and is the only magician known at the time to have a reason to dislike the Gramayes.
Little did Mr. Reus knew. He was defeated by a Gramarye.
the ost for this game is so good man how do they pump out quality so consistently??? there is literally not a single bad ace attorney game and that is why it will always be my favorite
I disagree. I didn't like Apollo Justice all that much. All the others are pretty good or amazing.
@@Bellidentical no one likes apollo justice exept me I think lmao can you tell me why I just am confused
@@sillycat103 Because phoenix isn't the main character. All fanbases are scared of change and it sucks so much. Apollo justice was such a damn good game and never gets enough credit. So Mr.Turbonator, give me a reason why Apollo Justice isn't good that doesn't include Phoenix. But you can't. Because there is none.
Justice for All. It has, in my opinion, the weakest line up of cases, aside from the Finale. The starting case is rather shallow and poor, with a rather silly contrivance to give you a tutorial (amnesia? Really?), with a really poor villain.
Case 2: Not the worst, but I did not like this case very much, outside of Pearly and Morgan. It feels somewhat rushed as a case and it probably would of suited more as a built up final case.
Case 3: I do not speak of Big Top...Big Top is just Horrible. The investigation is boring and dull, none of the characters are likeable or enjoyable, outside of Franziska being Franziska. Acro is a horrible villain.
Case 4: I'll be honest, this is the only reason I replay JFA. A wonderful case. Great villain, a nice reversal of you Losing and Defending the guilty party, Edgeworths return, solid investigation and trail sections.
But that's it. None of them are horrible. Just JFA is the worst of the bunch.
@@anishthefish2439 I wouldn't say it isn't good. It's got some really bad cases in my opinion. Case 3 has always annoyed me because it feels like it abruptly ends, it's villain and some of the logic jumps the Prosecution goes for are just retarded. Case 2 is OK, it's not horrible, but it's average. Case 4 has a good start, good middle, but I feel like the final investigation section with Wright is too much time travel and scene jumping with little flow. Case 1 is ABSOLUTELY SOLID though. Best starting case in the series.
Official theme is called "Dark Gramayre"
And yes, this is the boss music of case 2
Thanks!
It's "Dark Gramarye"
Am kind of a stickler for these things
I'm ticked they didn't call it "Dark Magic"
stop why is nobody talking about this being possibly the best theme in the game
Is it me or since Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney the games get progressively darker?
well, in the timeline apollo justice ages were refered to as the dark age of law....
@Sonim Bopish You think so? DD is one of the darkest in the series IMO.
true, but what about Aura Blackquill taking a bunch of people, including TRUCY, hostage? what about that picture of Athena as a child COVERED IN BLOOD? or Athena's Straight-up mental breakdown, for that matter? plus, The parts about the game not taking itself too seriously, what with the comic relief, especially in certain cases, could easily be applied to AJ too. I'm not saying Dual Destinies is pure grimdark, but i'd say it's Darker than any of the DS games.
Well, In Dual Destinies...
A courtroom was Blown up by a time bomb, and a woman was murdered by a corrupt Bomb squad member who SOLD BOMBS on the black market, possibly acting as a supplier for TERRORISTS AND WAR CRIMINALS.
Damian Tenma was being blackmailed by his aide to merge with another town so he could get access to said town's treasure and pay off his debts, or else his daughter would be harmed, and the alderman of the other town was murdered for opposing said merger.
Constance Courte was murdered because she tried to confront a colleague for accepting bribes and being corrupt.
A Space shuttle was Sabotaged, Clay Terran was murdered, and Solomon Starbuck was given severe PTSD and a crippling fear of space, all thanks to a Cold-blooded, emotionless spy.
Athena Cykes' mother was murdered for trying to do a psychological profile on the aforementioned spy, Simon Blackquill was put on death row for it, and Athena ended up thinking that SHE was responsible, and having a mental breakdown.
I Suppose it's up for debate whether It's DARKER then The DS Games, but saying it doesn't compare to any of them is a bit much.
@Sonim Bopish Yeah, but the whole game had the dark age of the law theme and Athena's backstory, and even if things weren't super serious, that's just the nature of these games. And SoJ was much lighter.
The way Manov's murder was conducted (along with granting a nearly perfect alibi for the villain) reminded me so much of Detective Conan
Omg you're so right! I felt that vibe too! Also i really love Detective Conan!
And have pathetic motive
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I gotta say, the fake Mr Reus died in the most cruel way possible
Yeah, that poor guy didn't deserve it
I wouldn't say the most cruel way possible by a long shot, but indeed it would have been a lot more painful than a normal stabbing
this ost is so fucking good i could listen to it for hours
I remember that the first thing that threw me off about Mr. Reus wasn't him looking the same as thirteen years ago, as there are many characters in Ace Attorney who didn't age accordingly either (for example, in AJ, Lamiroir also looked too young for her age). It was rather his overall features. You can see it most clearly when you compare the Reus in the Gramarye poster to the one in the poster for Trucy's show. At least to me, there seemed to be something in his features on the Gramarye poster that made him look slightly evil and arrogant, particularly the area around his eyes and his grin. In the poster for Trucy's show though, those same features were drawn much softer, his smile was much more gentle and to me, his entire expression also looked way more shy than the one he wore in the old poster. It's also visible in the mugshot and the video of him we get later on. They just didn't seem to look the same as the one on the Gramarye poster.
I might be the only one who sees that, though? Maybe I'm really just imagining it, I don't know. But I remember that that very slight difference between the two irritated me throughout the entire investigation and trial. It wasn't enough for me to get the idea that they were two different persons though. I just thought that maybe, Mr. Reus had been traumatized by his accident and his ousting by Magnifi, and that that was the reason why he was now being more subdued and less arrogant in his postures.
Speaking of things that irritated throughout the trial, why does no one bring up the obvious problem with the idea that Trucy stabbed Reus in the coffin? Blood.
If you were to stab someone with a blade and then pull the blade out there should be a pool of blood around the victim. Instead there's only a little bit of blood on the hole through which Trucy would have stabbed him. He's in a tiny little coffin. There's nowhere else for the blood to go except on the floor of it. Yet there's absolutely no blood splatter around the site of the coffin.
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I like how at the start he was a super mega douche who you couldn't help but hate, trying to get an innocent little girl convicted for murder and tried to make everyone think she was secretly a black-hearted witch. And tried to punish her friends for being her friends with an over-encumbered debt that she unwittingly signed. I knew I was going to enjoy tearing him to shreds in the court.
But the moment you reveal who he is, an instant change and he was a completely different person, serious, dark, giving off a powerful vibe, true villain material. But still the same man you immediately grew to hate, but know he felt more like a threat. Even though I hated him, I couldn't deny how much of a badass he turned into the moment he revealed his true colours.
Indeed. Spoilers
He has the best breakdown though, doesn't he?
Lumey Dump Best for Spirit of Justice, but not my favourite.
LakiTom I meant for Spirit of Justice
Lumey Dump Yeah, I was just saying that it's not my favourite, but it is the best in Spirit of Justice.
LakiTom Agreed! Though spoilers
Paul Atishon's is pretty insane aswell.
My favorite theme so far added in SoJ.
Am I the only one that thinks this sounds like it would be in a Castlevania game?
I hear it.
Or a Dream Theater song, which is basically the same.
Sounds like it would fit in Portal 2 (at least the begging part)
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The ending of this case would have been so much better if apollo and trucy knew they were siblings at the end of AJ because after his breakdown Apollo could have told Mr. Reus that he didn't win after all because he's another descendant of the Gramaryes.
This guy really hated gramarye's. To the point he wanted to ruin the career of someone who wasn't even born yet. He's an odd villain but I his theme is really good
What do you mean wasn't even born? When he got kicked out of the show Trucy was 4 years old.
the career of trucy wright wasn't born yet and he wanted to ruin the start of it is what he means
31 337 Ah I see, yea thats true I guess.
GOD it's so fuckin Tasty that Retinz has this spiel that even though his plan was discovered, he's still convinced that he defeated the Gramaryes , without realising that Apollo is in fact, a Gramarye himself 😩👌
The thing is, would a narcissist like him even care if he knew who Apollo was? Considering that he's "just" an attorney, not a magician, Retinz would probably dismiss Apollo to hold onto what's left of his pride. Like, Apollo really doesn't have a place in a battle of magicians, even if by blood he's related to one.
He's planning to best Apollo in court, so that would count, too. THat a Gramarye couldn't bea thim at ANYTHING@@kyuubinaruto17
Damn this case was so good. Especially after the lack of Trucy in Dual Destinies. SOJ really is a breath of fresh air, it’s far and away the closest to replicating the feel of the original AA games
Probably one of my favorite "final cross examination" transformations ever. No over the top declarations, no wildly different mood swings, no big ass amps out of nowhere. He goes from loud mouthed, greedy jerk to quietly intimidating simply by rolling up his sleeves.
This game produced great villains, second only to T&T for how good they were IMHO.
The last one is actually a combination of all the final bosses in Ace Attorney Games, and that is including Miles Edgeworth's games.
+Grace Liu too bad their extraterritoriality would never reach Alba levels....
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I don't think you've seen how she just changes the rules on a whim. Even Alba was defeated because the rulers revoke his ambassador status.
Yes but Alba was tenacious as fuck. He didn't know when to quit, at all.
what's worse is that Alba kept putting on very tough alibis and points that take deus ex machinas to break (literally, i want someone to count the number of deus ex machinas in aai1's last case)
Name changed due to apparent spoilers.
It's not really a spoiler... the game pretty much tells you that right from the get go...
turdl3 Well they did say he was in it but not that he was on that side of morality.
turdl3 Oh yeah, I see it on the on the gmail short cut to these comment.
Somehow, someway, this guy managed to keep having my favorite breakdown, even after playing Investigations 2. That game's mastermind's breakdown is good, but its no Roger Retinz .
I've seen things saying that the fact that Jevil from Deltarune is imprisoned is a refrence to the fact that he is a joker and many card games don't use the jokers, so they are removed from the deck. That can also apply to Mr. Reus being fired from the troupe.
Love the song, as well as the breakdown that accompanies this character. While it's not my all time favorite breakdown, there's just something about it that I find incredibly satisfying.
The fact that this is the gramyare theme distorted is brilliant
I just finished this case, and it was so good. This theme is absolutely one of my favorites so far, especially when it was paired with his breakdown sequence. I feel bad for Roger's fan, though. Poor guy probably didn't even understand what was going on. At least he died doing what he loved.
It took me so long to realize that the pun of Mr. Reus is just "Mysterious"
this guy makes zak gramarye look decent
Man I freaking HATE this guy! and man oh man I freaking LOVE this guy!
I gotta say, I was not expecting that plot twist.
I agree with the first part but the second, come on it was pretty obvious, after phantom's plot twist i was expecting something like that
+Cosmojerk Neither was I
He’s such a shitbag. It’s great.
Strong contender for my favorite character theme in the game.
One of the best villain themes I've ever heard
Dahlia Hawthorne: I'm the biggest jackass in the series
Roger Retinz: Hold my carbon copier
Inmate information: Along with Simon Keyes, they perform a circus act in order to bring joy to other prisoners.
Please never let these two team up.
After he got revealed of being the killer, Trucys next act was dedicated to all the boys and girls who played with fire
This reveal was absolutely epic, the way his expression changed and how he started doing coin tricks was blowing my fucking mind, it goes so well with this theme.
I like how his outfit makes him look both like a generic rich guy and a magician.
I freaking love this theme. SPOILERS
Roger Retinz was an incredible villain in my opinion. He almost managed to ruin the reputations of Trucy and Apollo! He may be a jerk, but he really made this case fantastic.
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This theme plays on numerous occasions in Case 2, more specifically when Mr. Reus is mentioned. Alongside that, it is also played to replace Roger Retinz's theme when he is revealed to be the masked magician, Mr. Reus, also playing as his breakdown occurs.
My first thought when I saw Retinz:
"TONY STARK?!?"
This case and that breakdown.. I just love it!
im getting the man who masterminds the game vibes
He should’ve been the main villain of SoJ. I would’ve been so happy.
Ho ho. Indeed. This is a good villian.
Instead we got budget Manfred
@@usermcskull4713 Bargain bin buddhist manfred and manfred + spider edition
My only gripe with him being the main villain would have been Dhurke serving far less of a purpose, and the twist involving him would be a little bit lamer without Ga'ran
The Magical turnabout is one of the best cases in series, at first I thought retinz hired an assassin to murder Mr Reus but as the game proceeded I realized it wasn't the case. I kinda like this theme, it gives me mix feelings.
Reminds of DImentio from Super Paper Mario.
Thought I was the only one.
Ooo you're right
One of the best villains in ace attorney.
Best second case villain with Luke Atmey
It's fitting that Reus represent the Joker of the Gramarye suit convention... both in the fact that it's a card that is inexorably linked to one of the most iconic villains of all time, and in the fact that it's the suitless card of the standard deck that commonly is exculded and unneeded.
“Excluded and unneeded” just like when Magnifi kicked him out of Troupe Gramarye
It's also known as the _wild card_ which probably explains why Magnifi, rampet perfectionist that he was, decided to kick him out of the troupe after one mistake out of fear of reputational ruin and explains Mr. Rues arrogance and bloody mindedness towards Troupe Gramarye in general.
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I'm going to just say it. Roger Retinz is one of the most evil killers and people in the entire series. He wasn't interested in killing for Power, Money, or anything of the sort. He had plenty of money with his tv show. He literally just wanted revenge on everyone associated to Troupe Gramarye, including someone who was just a child and respected him when she got older. He used a fan of his, someone who respected him to just take down Trucy and killed him, and showed no remorse whatsoever, and also wanted to take down anyone that was with Trucy along with her. He is just full of hate and revenge, and this theme captures that perfectly imo.
Not to mention that...
He 'rewards' his biggest fan and successor by killing him.
I like how (unlike other culprits in the past)his appearance doesn’t completely change when his true identity is revealed. He just pulled back his sleeves, strikes that pose, and his whole demeanor is completely different. Definitely one of the best culprits we’ve seen in the series.
as much as i hated this guy, this theme is so cool
Goosebump Moment
For some reason I always imagined Retinez's voice matching that of Varrick's from Legend of Korra.
Reus should have been the final villain of SoJ.
Here's my insight on the culprit from this case (SPOILERS):
It all started when Magnifi kicked Mr Reus, Roger Retinz, out of the troupe. It seemed like the main reason was because he disobeyed Magnifi and got himself injured. But that wasn't the true reason why Magnifi kicked him out. The real reason was that Retinz had NO passion for magic.
Now I think we can all agree on something; YES, Magnifi is NOT a pleasant person. He did TERRIBLE things. But if there's one thing I can safely say is that Magnifi was passionate for magic. The problem with Magnifi is, from my point of view, that over time his passion became overly passionate and it started to spread to the rest of the troupe and all of their worst traits started to show up and the trust between each other was starting to dry up. With all that said; Magnifi clearly saw that Retinz had no passion for magic to begin with. Retinz claimed that he dreamed to become a magician, but that's nothing more then a lie to himself. Retinz's dream is to just be the center of attention even if it means doing reckless stuff that the passionate magicians against. Because Retinz cared more about himself then magic and entertaining people. Again, not justifying Magnifi and the other members of the troupe (Mostly Zak), but Magnifi was in the right to fire Retinz for his narcissism.
After that Retinz went on to become the famous producer, the Ratings Rajah, where he got to do what he wanted for all his life: Be the center of attention. There he did stuff like having him go to restaurants and try out their food. He was successful as seen throughout the case as Nahyuta had to wait in line for an entire hour just to try some of the food in the restaurant and had many fans.
But despite all of that Retinz pride was too fragile. He hated the Gramarye for booting him out from the troupe. It was originally his dream to be the center of attention as a magician and not on television. So even though Retinz got the center of attention that he wanted it wasn't in the way he WANTED it to be. And so he spent a good decade planning to destroy the Gramarye for "ruining" him.
Problem was that in the later years is that Magnifi committed suicide, Zak was murdered, Valant went to prison, and Thalassa was missing (And retired from magic) so there was no way he could take his revenge on them. At least directly. After all, Zak and Thalassa had a daughter who also happens to be Magnifi's granddaughter. So because she was blood related to them he decided to put his revenge on her.
2 years before the case he ran into Manov Mistree who was was a fan of Mr Reus (And probably the only one seeing as how Mr Reus has became obscured at that time). It was at that point that Retinz decided to "take" Manov under his wing and teach him all of his tricks. But all of that was nothing more then him using Manov as his pawn as he most likely had started thinking about killing Manov and putting his death on Trucy. After all, Retinz doesn't trust anybody except himself.
We all know what happened next; He manipulated everybody around him. Manov, the twins, and Trucy to get his revenge. He took Manov's life away, almost ruined Trucy, and almost made Apollo, Athena, and Phoenix lose their office. All because he held a petty grudge against a troupe that died out. And the worst part is that he could have had a happy life after leaving the troupe. He became famous and became the center of attention that he wanted. And Manov becoming his successor could have been another form of his revenge just by having Manov continue to be Mr Reus and keeping the Mr Reus name alive while the Gramarye name is dead. Sure, Trucy is planning on bringing it back to life, but he's a famous producer now. He could make Manov an internationally famous magician while Trucy could just be a small name magician. There was literally NO need to get revenge on them.
I look back at his Mr Reus design and can't help but feel how it sums up Retinz very well. He only has half a mask over his face. It could mean that Mr Reus is two-faced. And that what Retinz is; Two-faced. And seeing the Mr Reus mask burn up in his breakdown is also a perfectly good metaphor for how his petty grudge killed the name of Mr Reus forever.
To sum him up; Retinz is a magician without the heart of a magician and cares only himself. He didn't make the perfect illusion. He IS the illusion. It's pathetic really.
I agree with almost everything, but I wouldn't say he had NO passion for magic. His magic may be a means to an end to get attention, but I don't think skills like his just come about naturally. It feels like it's something you'd have to work towards. If one just wanted attention there's plenty of simpler ways to get it.
Even years and years after getting kicked out he still retained those skills, and even spent two years training someone else to learn all his techniques.
I'd say the issue wasn't a lack of passion, but caring more for the fame of the position rather than the magic itself. Like, the results of his magic are for his own gratification, not the amusement of the audience.
He actually said that all he ever wanted as a child was to be a great magician, so I would say he had a passion. I think Apollo says it best, about him having no regard for human life, his or others.
Spoilers for AJ Case 1 below:
Killing Zak was literally the only good thing Kristoph did, even if that was also in revenge, for Zak saying Kristoph couldn’t be Zak’s attorney because he was bad at poker.
But the upside to Kristoph smashing Zak’s head in with Barok van Zieks’ wine bottle is that this guy couldn’t take revenge on Zak.
Still doesn’t make Reus at all sympathetic though. Completely unforgivable as to what he did.
I can't decide whether I like this or Uendo Toneido's theme better! I love them both :3
Oh, and Lady Kee'ra's :D
Hee hee hee ha ha ha Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ho ho ho hee hee! Take a good look, everyone! Unable to find a rival worthy of my genius, I was forced to create one by myself! Here I am! The tragic clown...
Wrong game same motif
they are not the same motifs
I hate that guy, but this is a really good song.
Something I find so fucked is that Retinz was willing to kill his own student and fan, Mistree, in order to frame Trucy, like poor Mistree he probably didn't even suspect he was being used and in the middle of their plan to prank Trucy he suddenly got murdered in the Magical murder.
Mix in the office invasion episode, complete with whipping up a violent mob against the Wright Anything Agency, and I am left wondering how he's "not heinous enough for the Complete Monster trope."
Retinz was such a good villain. The first time I played this case I didn’t think too much of it but years later when I played it again it sent chills down my spine. His breakdown has to be one of the best ones in AA history and then coupled with this soundtrack? Top tier
Troupe Gramarye may collectively be jerks, but Mr. Reus is just monstrous.
One of the best songs of this game.
Guys, look! It's the main villain of Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice!
Perfect
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I think Magician Johny Depp is already one of my most favorite murderers of the franchise
This man would easy dropkick anyone if it was legal
Truly a villain fitting for a finale!
The first 15 seconds are basically an evil encounter in Pokemon.
I can’t wait to see the look on Retinz’s face when he realises he has been defeated by a Gramarye (i.e. Apollo)!
God I forgot how good this theme was
I cannot decide for the life of me which case is my favourite from this game.... All of them are beyond amazing. This is my new favourite game in the series that's for sure.
There absolutely needs to be a scene in a future AA game where, once Apollo learns the truth about Trucy, Thalass and himself, he rubs it in Roger’s face that he is the son of Thalassa, and as such a Gramarye did defeat him. His supposed “victory” was a farce
This piece of shit was worst than every Gramarye ever. How cold must you be to HORRIBLY kill your own disciple in order to take revenge on someone else?
Oh my God, I cannot comprehend that. What a cold killer 😢, my girl Trucy.
Great villain tho.
Well, Zak may not be a killer, but I think he's about as bad as Roger for basically betraying his own daughter out of pride. He abandoned her, forcing Phoenix to adopt her, then comes back 7 years later to ruin Phoenix's reputation on a false charge because Phoenix was using her talent to help with his job. The same job which was feeding and keeping his child in a stable home.
While he was trying to secure her magical future of being his sucessor, he still basically was going to kill her financial future for his own ends, making him a pretty shit-tier dad.
I really didn't think I'd like a villain more than the mastermind of Investigations 2. And dude wasn't even overarching. His Alibi had me completely fooled.
If you think about it, he’s basically Syndrome but with magic tricks.
The best part is knowing that sleazy no good bastard was taken down by the grandson of the man he hated/by the brother of the one he tried to ruin. Too bad the characters in game didn't know that it would have been the icing on cake him knowing that.