Kor not only got into to stovokor. He died so honorably that martok was able to let go of the past and and honor him as a klingon warrior should be honored. A very deep scene.
When Martok passes on and goes to Stovokor, I imagine he and Kor constantly fighting against each other in the Black Fleet and then at the great feasts at night, will poke fun at each other to blow off steam.
The original plan was to have Martok join the ritual singing, but the actor decided on set not to do it, explained the reason to the director who agreed that Martok could honour a brave warrior but could not honour Kor as a man
Man this scene is so powerful. When you pay a tribute like that to the first named Klingon in Star Trek history and let him go out in that kind of a blaze of glory. Amazing
Established in TOS, Klingons use to just be another one dimensional enemy in Star Trek, but I love ❤️ the way multiple Star Trek series from TNG to DS9 to even Voyager took the time to flesh out there culture, values and beliefs. Then you see a episode like this, especially that ending, and you can’t help to fall in love with the Klingons as they sing to honor their fallen comrade as one crew and one ship paying tribute through song and story. Simply brilliant as I wipe a tear from my eye as I want to sing along with them without knowing a word of Klingon.
If they succeed, you can drink to their courage.... if they should fail..you can still drink to their courage... that line always feel so powerful and yet respectful.
Notice how Martok does not sing. He cannot forgive Kor, even calling him a pompous old man, but he can recognize his courage as a warrior. He drinks to his death, but does not sing to his honor. Now THAT is a beautiful piece of subtext in a brilliant scene.
Or perhaps he was reflecting. Realizing that a man he had made fun of, and embarrassed in the mess hall, just a few days, or even a few hours ago, that man had just saved his life. He'd already spoken with Worf, earlier, saying that he took no joy from humiliating Kor. He realized that he hadn't taken down a great enemy, all he'd done was bully an old man, who had the misfortune to outlive his glory. And now, he owes that man his life, and that's debt that can never be repaid. Thinking about all that tends to take you out of a singing mood.
@@specialk9424 He was reflecting alright, but it was very specifically about the dichotomy of hating Kor, but holding him in the _highest_ of respect. Remember, Kor back in the day conspired to _keep_ Matok from joining the Empire's military, all because Martok, though he had proven himself a brilliant cadet applicant, was a commoner and Kor was as blue-blooded as the duke of Wellington. He'd prevented Martok from even joining as a common soldier! Kor honor-blocked Martok when he was a young man, forcing him to slide into the Klingon military through the service hatch as a cook, when he should have graduated from their equivalent of Starfleet Academy as a top-in-class, promote-before-peers. Martok _hated_ Kor as badly as a Klingon _can_ hate another _without_ needing to go and kill them and go to Sto-Vo-Kor in the process. And yet too, everything you said was true; he *had* seen Kor at his lowest, in the grips of a moment of senility, and belittled him for it. Yet there was no satisfaction in it. And then he saw Kor earn himself a Warrior's death in the most glorious way possible, picking a ridiculously many-to-one fight, a hopeless battle, fighting a glorious delaying action so everyone else could make it back. He owed his _life_ to Kor, but _more importantly to Martok_ than owing his own, personal hide to that pompous old man, the lives of all who _followed_ Martok he owed to Kor, and the _ships'_ survival save the _Ning-Tao,_ and the future service all of those ships and personnel would give to the _Empire,_ Martok _owed to Kor._ _None of that_ could wipe away what Kor did to him when he was a young man and Kor honor-blocked his career, it couldn't wipe away how much he, personally, loathed him; but he would be the _first_ to tell you that Kor died _gloriously_ in the service of the Empire. Martok _hates_ Kor, and he still hates him even after he died; that's why Martok does not sing for him. But Martok respects Kor's service and ultimate sacrifice to the Empire, and Martok would shower him in his (deserved) glory for it, unlike a pettier man (like, say, young Kor, or Gowron), who would have sought to minimize it to deny Kor his due. He _respects_ Kor, but he cannot like him. So _he_ won't sing for him, but he raises the bottle and commands everyone who *does* love Kor to sing for him.
@@specialk9424 I prefer the idea that Martok honored the warrior (thus the toast) but refused to honor the man (hence staying silent during the song). I don't think Martok sees himself as owing Kor a thing. After all, Kor refused to let Martok become an officer not because Martok was unfit, but because Kor was an elitist. The main reason Martok remained resentful was that Martok's father, who he clearly loved dearly, worked really hard to find Martok a sponsor, then had to live with the shame of the refusal, and then died before Martok could prove his valor. Martok's beloved father died disappointed. Note that Kor was still not sorry about what he did when Worf confronted him with his lack of fairness. Instead, he launched into a subdued but still really elitist speech. Kor clearly still saw Martok as 'lesser'. I don't see how Kor being old gives him a free pass for past wrongs. I think Martok was amazing for reaching a compromise where Kor is concerned: honor the warrior, but never forgive the man.
Khan is a strong choice for best death. Dude went out quoting Moby Dick and managed to kill Kirk’s best friend. General Chang is probably up there, as well. Spock also has a famously good death scene.
Reminds me of one of those tank restoring shows where they restored an M18 Hellcat tank destroyer, found its old commander still alive and let him ride in the machine he commanded one last time. Fat old man who walked with the aid of a cane saw his old girl purring like a kitten and without a word the cane fell out of his hands and in two steps he was in his machine just like he was 19 again and they were off.
@@danielhaire6677 "Our shields have failed. we have hull breaches on decks 1 and 3." Kor "It does not matter if we succeed or fail! we fight! So that our comrades may live and fight another day!" (Sorry deleted the comment thinking it would elicit a negative response. Reposted it here to bring it back.)
I’m certain he called on the spirits of his old friends Kang and Koloth to help him stave off all those ships, then when he died, saw them in Sto’vo’kor and drank an entire winery full of the finest blood wine.
"The only real question is if you believe in the legend of Davey Crockett or not. If you do , then there is no doubt in your mind that he died a hero's death. If you do not believe in the legend, then he was just a man, and it does not matter how he died." Prophetic words from Worf at the beginning of this very episode.
Davy Crockett was an Anglo Slaver and invader Monster and his mythology was built to hype up Slavery , Genocide of Amerindians and the Subjugation of Hispanics .
It reminds me to the two-parter improbable cause and the die is cast. When Garrick and Bashir were discussing Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar on how Caesar a military technician could not foresee his own friend, stabbing him in the back. Then we have Tain fallen into a trap he could not have foreseen with Garrick quoting Shakespeare.
Next Generation and DS9 really gave the Klingons, the love and respect they deserve. To Kor, Kang and Koloth may they have glorious battles for all eternity in Stovokor! RIP Michael Ansara, William Campbell and John Colicos.
DS9 developed the hell out of not just the Klingons, but The Cardassians and Ferengi as well. The Romulans still remained somewhat enigmatic but that has always been the way with them.
See the number of fires burning clearly Good fortune for the mighty Commander Great luck, I discipline my hails of fortune to you, Commanders Hail appreciation through your silence Our Commander Kor
Hail again Hail again Hail again
You always cloak it thereabouts the Fist of the Commander's hits the Fist of the Commander the Fist of the Commander the Fist of the Commander
I love how old Klingons are ridiculously wise and calm. It's like they go through Klingon menopause, the bloodlust burns out, and...they suddenly get it. All of it.
@@cameronrosen6910 No. You can acknowledge what is necessary, but not do it. Feeling you have to do it, means you know you are the only person who must do it. There's no other choice, for you. It's the matter of choice, that matters. Minor difference, but important.
“If they succeed, you can drink to their courage. And if they fail…..you can still drink to their courage.” This is such a beautiful moment. A warrior, going out as a warrior. Sacrificing oneself in fighting glory to help others. And being recognized as one posthumously. True warrior hero.
"On the bridge?!" This was Martok's first reaction. Many depictions of Klingons are of rowdy warriors, ever spoiling for a fight. There is some of that in this episode as well, but Martok's reaction speaks to protocol and norms, and a warrior's professionalism. You don't drink on the bridge. But that just makes it more meaningful and special when they do.
One of the most powerful scene was the end, Star Trek DS9 really allowed us to explore the Klingon Culture more and in many ways have a lot of fans gain an appreciation for Klingons.
I spoke to a very convivial FOOL who said and I quote " DS9 was great except for the introduction of the 2 dimensional Worf" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 A true Sophomore : a wise Fool. He did love the show doh.
@@darklordofswordI completely agree. "Deserves" was the word that sounded slightly mean. It implies an emotional component to what "should" happen that goes beyond "the natural consequences of the situation". (Also, she never said "I love the Empire, and intentionally distanced her new views from the ones of the former hosts who clearly did love the Empire.) All that said, yes she was speaking rather figuratively, hence my Smiley to hint I'm just teasing about the wordplay, not making some grand claim about Ezri's deepest agendas.
@@jerodast unfortunately the show can never truly escpae it's liberal priors. Though DS9 comes the closest of any series to critiquing the vision of the priginal universe.
TOS for me due to the spectacle (no standards to work to so they went all out in the fantastical aspects) but DS9 runs a close second for the many character moments.
@@girlgarde Alzheimer's doesn't matter in a rear-guard battle. Kor hurled himself into danger and he let his reflexes and experience take over. You don't need to know who's shooting at you to return fire.
Even for that original Klingon, there is one battle that you can muster enough strength and mental fortitude for. For any Klingon, that’s all the motivation one needs.
My favorite Klingon episode of all time!!! This gives us the Klingons how we love them, gives us a Klingon legacy character, it allows us a look on how Klingons deal with getting old and outliving their own legend, as well as giving a legendary warrior a worthy goodby - AWESOME! I still get teary eyed when the Rotarran officer narrates Kor's fight against the Jem'Hadar fleet, his victory and demise, and the following moments when the Klingon crew that ridiculed old Kor starts singing to his honor. Damn, I'm getting teary eyed just writing about it right now!😢
The thing that stands out the most to me in this scene is the song at the end. It's an entirely fictitious, and the vast majority of people watching have absolutely no idea what it says. But just from the ways the words are said, and the rythem, the context...you know what it means.
Kors helmsman and weapons officer must have been phenomenal to be able constantly shift targeting every single Jem-Hadar ship while constantly performing evasive manuevers for 10 min. That must have been the longest 10 minutes EVER
Part of me is really excited that they didn't show the battle. It is rare that films/movies makes you to use your imagination.. I believe that is one of the reasons this is one of the most epic battles in Star Trek and we didn't even get to see it. Still, I can see the fire on the deck, and Kor staying in command until the last second using tactics that nobody else could pull.
Man was alone on a bridge with all the consoles. Must have transfered all the commands to the captains chair or pilot. And then swapped between all of the targets in mere seconds, all that while everything on the ship was failing. Worthy of Kahless himself.
Hertzler (Martok) Really liked both those actresses. It's a combination of them being soldiers in a great story and simply getting their sexy pance on being klingons.
The thing I love about this scene is it doesn't submit to the desire to show the battle, there's no need, the investment is there the audience knows the stakes and can understand the situation, there's no cut to Korr on the Ning-Tao, there's no battle scene, just the play by play....and it understands that that is all that's needed....
There's a storytelling rule called 'show, don't tell.' On one hand, this would appear to avert that rule by not showing the battle, but that's not the point of the story. This scene isn't about the death of Kor, it's about the birth of the Legend of Kor, and we are exactly where we need to be to see that.
What a way to send off Kor and John Colicos. That was the actor's last ever tv appearance. A fitful one as well. Let's go back, Kor, asked Worf to be on the mission. Begrugingly, Martak denies Kor's initial request for a command. However, Martok let Kor be on his ship as 3rd Officer. If he didn't Worf would've joined Jadzia in Sto,Vor,Kor. Kor would've been a forgotten warrior in Klingon history. Worf was a good friend to Kor. In return Kor, saves his life and dies a glorious death worthy of song.
I'd say not seeing it even adds to it, we only know what Matok does, a verbal report from his scanner officer whose equipment is at the edge of its range, it let's us feel his tension and amazement at what's happening
Opened his eyes. The calm water before Stow vo kor. Kor stood as a figure approached. "Who are you?" Kor demanded. The figure stood before him. "Kirk! Were you sent here to send me to Grethor?" "No, to accompany you to Stow vo kor."
Yeah if kirk had saved everyone and THEN got into the nexus at the end of the movie. Like he got to go explore where no man has gone before or something. But no he died and got buried under some rocks on a random ass planet from a fist fight
At least Kirk's death was on screen. And he died saving millions of lives. He died making a difference. Besides.... Kirk always knew he would die alone.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph He pathetically fell to his death on a bridge, the thing is originally he was going to be shot in the back by Soran! So they re-wrote one pathetic death scene for an even worse one.
@@ValiantWrestling He died making a difference. "Oh, Spock pathetically died by stupidly exposing himself to radiation." A heroic death doesn't have to be extravagant or flashy to be meaningful.
Kor and his 6 volunteers beemed over onto each jemhadar ship after there bird of prey lost weapons and shields and took control continuing to fight and confuse them
I think the only way that would work is if Kor disabled the shields on each of the ships. One at a time and if their ships were down how much of a fight could they put up with with the rest of them? No I think because a Klingon bird-of-prey is far more maneuverable than the jem'hadar ships
hehe Indeed a truely fitting and honrable end to the very voice actor that played this klingon character I ofc say this for all fans of Klngon characters like Kor. May John Colicos truely be at Honrable Peace as will Kor The Dahar Master also be in Sto Vo Kor. R.I.P to them both.
@@edwardpate6128 Yeah that really would make less sense without the thematic tie-in. Like "Uh YEAH Worf if there's some tactic that's a 10x force multiplier for our Bird of Prey fleet IT ACTUALLY DOES MATTER."
I always liked the little exchange between Martok at Darok at the start. Martok who appears in the moment to be stuffy, and concerned with protocol, Darok by contrast is more relaxed in his approach - happy to have a drink on the bridge to honour comrades who are about to fall! Martok finally lets his bitterness towards Kor go at the end, owing the lives of his ship and himself to that 'pompous old man' - eagerly snapping the lid from the bottle with his D'k tahg and taking one hell of a swig!!!
In Star Trek Online Martok named the newest class of top tier elite Bird of Prey ships after Kor. I love flying my Kor-class BoP!!! He's my favorite dead Klingon.
The part that adds an extra layer of power to this is that Martok always had hard feelings towards Kor. But while those feelings have not been resolved, even Martok respects Kor for his deeds in his last moments
@@godking I thought "Martok" skipped singing because the actor's prosthetics made him uncomfortable. He's admitted he's got no depth perception using only one eye.
@@Isildun9 I do like how they mirror this with the tales of Davy Crocket at the Alamo at the beginning of the episode. The truth of what happened rarely matters when it comes to Folk Heroes. What matters is what these figures make you feel or what values you learn from them.
This has to have been the single greatest tactical feat of brilliance in all of Star Trek History. Not even Kirk , Picard or Riker could have pulled that off in their primes
riker is a excellent starship tactician. if it were riker commanding the enterprise-E vs the scimitar (shinzon) I think the enterprise-E would've done better. Picard is not much a starship tactician as shown in TNG. with TOS since it was low budget they couldn't show us the goodies but with balance of terror kirk defeated the greatest romulan starship commander that is a big feat for kirks ship battle prowess.
@@cosmeticscameo8277 Kor was in ONE bird of prey- which is a medium cruiser... against 10 Jemhadar bug ships. BOPs One main advantage is its agility. Its fast. But thats all it has. Its not as powerful as an ENT-D. Riker wouldnt have been able to stall them for that long....
@@matvangogh a bird of prey wouldn't even be a medium cruiser. at best a frigate. it's hard to compare character A to B to C when none of them faced a common foe for a comparison or each other. we do know that kirk was one of starfleets greatest tacticians so that even the klingons kor, kang, koloth etc gave kirk his credits.
@@cosmeticscameo8277 I doubt it, Riker is the one who lost the ENTERPRISE-D! He could have tried evading the fire of the Klingon BOP, he could have done what Picard did against the Scimitar (fire phasers blindly!) after all a single hit would have probably crippled that old BOP...but he sat there till Worf pulled his trick :(
This scene is just plain epic!! Just look at how Martak just stands there in front of his crew as they sing.......one of the best sends-offs in trek history, period.
I'm almost 36 and have loved Star Trek since I was a little kid of maybe five or six years old. The older I get, the more I love it. I've watched and rewatched all the great "prestige" TV series more times than any healthy minded adult should. None of them come close to Star Trek when Star Trek is at its best. None of them have influenced the way I look at the world like Star Trek has. If you feel the same way, pass your love of Star Trek on to others, especially the younger people in your life.
"I hope that old fool knows what he is doing". This is Kor we're talking about. Chances are he's gripped Death itself by the throat, said "We're going bar hopping now!" and Death meekly cries out "I don't wanna drink."
The best scene to let a hero go! Even when i was more in Star Wars than in Star Trek this scene impressed me so much. I can't even imagine that they would let go an old movie hero these day in such an honorable way that you can say: "Go old man/woman, and thank you for everything!"
Man this episode, possibly more than any other, truly showed us what it meant to be Klingon. In the end, politics, status, and age mean nothing to courage, honor, and sacrifice.
The Klingons are such an interesting species. Brutish and savage like a Viking, yet honorable and devoted like a Samurai. To them, dying in battle is the only way to leave this mortal life. A good death is it’s own reward. Kor did this and more. He saved his fellow warriors and friends.
One of the greatest scenes in all of Star Trek. I get emotional. Damn I love this Klingon stuff. Respect, honor, courage, who wouldnt want to aspire to this??
One of the many scenes that continuously reminds me how much I love the klingons and specifically how DS9 as a series truly did justice to the race through beautiful scenes like this. Also note how they didnt SHOW the battle that Kor did at the end, because there is no need to. The characters did not know what happened, and neither should we, and Worf puts it perfectly: does it matter? No. He takes one last stand as the Daha Master to reclaim his honor among the crew, and his legend will be passed on for generations.
That may be true, but I think they should have had recordings of the battle. It would show how they did it and inspire future warriors to learn to fly and fight as Kor and his crew did. There was a line from the CGI animated series War Planets that I think would apply perfectly to Kor, Kang, and Koloth: "You died as you lived - gloriously. The universe will never know your like again."
One of the moving and power Star Trek episodes ever produced and performed. The ending never fails to cause tears of joy to well up. Well done DS9 creators!!!
This is what makes Martok different, yes he holds grudges like many Klingons do - but he is willing to see past them! Hell, he said he wouldn't even give Kor rubbish ("...bones of my last meal..."), but he changes his mind here!
It is important to remember: Kor won. Kor achieved his objective, in fact, Kor surpassed any reasonable expectation in achieving his objective. The Jem'hadar might have killed an enemy that day, but they went home failures, the losers of the battle. Kor won.
Kor not only got into to stovokor. He died so honorably that martok was able to let go of the past and and honor him as a klingon warrior should be honored. A very deep scene.
When Martok passes on and goes to Stovokor, I imagine he and Kor constantly fighting against each other in the Black Fleet and then at the great feasts at night, will poke fun at each other to blow off steam.
Kor didn't just enter Stovokor he invaded and conquered it.
Only to a point. He toasts but he doesn't join in the song. He can only go so far after what Kor did to him.
@@KnightRaymund Thats fair, but he doesnt have to like him to respect him. I would have not been pleased had Martok bitched out.
The original plan was to have Martok join the ritual singing, but the actor decided on set not to do it, explained the reason to the director who agreed that Martok could honour a brave warrior but could not honour Kor as a man
Man this scene is so powerful. When you pay a tribute like that to the first named Klingon in Star Trek history and let him go out in that kind of a blaze of glory. Amazing
Established in TOS, Klingons use to just be another one dimensional enemy in Star Trek, but I love ❤️ the way multiple Star Trek series from TNG to DS9 to even Voyager took the time to flesh out there culture, values and beliefs.
Then you see a episode like this, especially that ending, and you can’t help to fall in love with the Klingons as they sing to honor their fallen comrade as one crew and one ship paying tribute through song and story.
Simply brilliant as I wipe a tear from my eye as I want to sing along with them without knowing a word of Klingon.
In TOS Kor was a little more than unidimensional.
it's too bad we didn't see more of kor during TOS. but they did feature kor a lot in the comics.
I just wish we could've seen him fighting... 1 ship against 10.....why wouldn't anyone want to see that? Thank you Kor... Long live the Empire!!!
@@CodeMonkeyDave That might be the point. "Does it matter?"
Well yeah, DS9 did have a low budget at certain points, but...
Anyone else get a little choked up hearing the crew sing, honoring Kor?
I surely did... *It was beautiful.*
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Yes. They were honoring the Dahar master who has just sacrificed himself to save all their lives.
Yep I did. Very beautiful moment ❤️
Everytime
Oh yes. This gets to me.
Kor, Kang, and Koloth reunited again in Sto-Vo-Kor.
William Costigan along with Curzon & Jadzia
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggggggghggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
That is a warning to Sto Vo Kor. Klingon warriors are on their way.
Not Curzon. You don't get to Stovokor by dying in a hospital bed after partying too hard.
A noble warrior to the end!
One of my absolute favorite Klingon scenes in all of Star Trek. To Kor!!
If they succeed, you can drink to their courage.... if they should fail..you can still drink to their courage... that line always feel so powerful and yet respectful.
it's so rare to see old klingons in trek.
Amusing to see Worf's glance at Darok, as he explained what happened.
@@oneproudbrowncoat "He surprised me *a hypospray* in the corridor." Yeah I'm lookin at you Darok :)
Q’apla!!
@@cosmeticscameo8277 "Fear the old man in a profession where most die young"
Notice how Martok does not sing. He cannot forgive Kor, even calling him a pompous old man, but he can recognize his courage as a warrior. He drinks to his death, but does not sing to his honor. Now THAT is a beautiful piece of subtext in a brilliant scene.
J.G. Hertzler made a brilliant choice in that scene.
Well said,good observation. I never noticed that until you pointed that out, and I've seen this episode at least 100 times.
Or perhaps he was reflecting. Realizing that a man he had made fun of, and embarrassed in the mess hall, just a few days, or even a few hours ago, that man had just saved his life. He'd already spoken with Worf, earlier, saying that he took no joy from humiliating Kor. He realized that he hadn't taken down a great enemy, all he'd done was bully an old man, who had the misfortune to outlive his glory. And now, he owes that man his life, and that's debt that can never be repaid. Thinking about all that tends to take you out of a singing mood.
@@specialk9424 He was reflecting alright, but it was very specifically about the dichotomy of hating Kor, but holding him in the _highest_ of respect.
Remember, Kor back in the day conspired to _keep_ Matok from joining the Empire's military, all because Martok, though he had proven himself a brilliant cadet applicant, was a commoner and Kor was as blue-blooded as the duke of Wellington. He'd prevented Martok from even joining as a common soldier! Kor honor-blocked Martok when he was a young man, forcing him to slide into the Klingon military through the service hatch as a cook, when he should have graduated from their equivalent of Starfleet Academy as a top-in-class, promote-before-peers.
Martok _hated_ Kor as badly as a Klingon _can_ hate another _without_ needing to go and kill them and go to Sto-Vo-Kor in the process.
And yet too, everything you said was true; he *had* seen Kor at his lowest, in the grips of a moment of senility, and belittled him for it. Yet there was no satisfaction in it. And then he saw Kor earn himself a Warrior's death in the most glorious way possible, picking a ridiculously many-to-one fight, a hopeless battle, fighting a glorious delaying action so everyone else could make it back. He owed his _life_ to Kor, but _more importantly to Martok_ than owing his own, personal hide to that pompous old man, the lives of all who _followed_ Martok he owed to Kor, and the _ships'_ survival save the _Ning-Tao,_ and the future service all of those ships and personnel would give to the _Empire,_ Martok _owed to Kor._
_None of that_ could wipe away what Kor did to him when he was a young man and Kor honor-blocked his career, it couldn't wipe away how much he, personally, loathed him; but he would be the _first_ to tell you that Kor died _gloriously_ in the service of the Empire.
Martok _hates_ Kor, and he still hates him even after he died; that's why Martok does not sing for him. But Martok respects Kor's service and ultimate sacrifice to the Empire, and Martok would shower him in his (deserved) glory for it, unlike a pettier man (like, say, young Kor, or Gowron), who would have sought to minimize it to deny Kor his due. He _respects_ Kor, but he cannot like him. So _he_ won't sing for him, but he raises the bottle and commands everyone who *does* love Kor to sing for him.
@@specialk9424 I prefer the idea that Martok honored the warrior (thus the toast) but refused to honor the man (hence staying silent during the song). I don't think Martok sees himself as owing Kor a thing. After all, Kor refused to let Martok become an officer not because Martok was unfit, but because Kor was an elitist.
The main reason Martok remained resentful was that Martok's father, who he clearly loved dearly, worked really hard to find Martok a sponsor, then had to live with the shame of the refusal, and then died before Martok could prove his valor. Martok's beloved father died disappointed.
Note that Kor was still not sorry about what he did when Worf confronted him with his lack of fairness. Instead, he launched into a subdued but still really elitist speech. Kor clearly still saw Martok as 'lesser'.
I don't see how Kor being old gives him a free pass for past wrongs. I think Martok was amazing for reaching a compromise where Kor is concerned: honor the warrior, but never forgive the man.
"One ship...against ten. It doesn't seem possible."
"He will succeed. He is Kor, the Dahar Master."
Worf’s unwavering faith. He knows a Klingon when he sees one.
That’s the way the would go
No Star Trek character has had a better exit, ever. Kor lived & died a LEGEND! RIP, John Colicos.
Khan is a strong choice for best death. Dude went out quoting Moby Dick and managed to kill Kirk’s best friend.
General Chang is probably up there, as well. Spock also has a famously good death scene.
@@sithlordzach8418, Khan's was epic, but did not have the same emotional impact, not even close.
It was also a farewell for the great character actor John Colicos. This was his last role, apparently by his choice, before he himself passed on.
@@Postinaway, phenomenal performance by Colicos. This one really got to me.
The female Klingon doing the play by play is a true warrior. You can see her excitement when she says “all of them“
She Kicks ass
*Raises Goptu* Glory to your house!
This is like being able to gift your Alzheimer's veteran grandfather a tank and send him across the front lines.
or veteran great grandfather pilot a F18 and send him to take out enemy fighters.
....and he kicks ass like he was 20 before going out a Legend
Reminds me of one of those tank restoring shows where they restored an M18 Hellcat tank destroyer, found its old commander still alive and let him ride in the machine he commanded one last time. Fat old man who walked with the aid of a cane saw his old girl purring like a kitten and without a word the cane fell out of his hands and in two steps he was in his machine just like he was 19 again and they were off.
@@hagamapama it's like muscle memory
@@cosmeticscameo8277 I'd say it's literally muscle memory.
I imagine Kor laughing with joy while shouting commands from the bridge.
And if the Ning'tao was disabled, leading a boarding charge on the last Jem'hadar ship with Bat'leth held high and a battlecry on his lips.
As he should
@@cameronsteers9756 Qap'la!!
@@danielhaire6677 "Our shields have failed. we have hull breaches on decks 1 and 3."
Kor "It does not matter if we succeed or fail! we fight! So that our comrades may live and fight another day!"
(Sorry deleted the comment thinking it would elicit a negative response. Reposted it here to bring it back.)
I’m certain he called on the spirits of his old friends Kang and Koloth to help him stave off all those ships, then when he died, saw them in Sto’vo’kor and drank an entire winery full of the finest blood wine.
"The only real question is if you believe in the legend of Davey Crockett or not. If you do , then there is no doubt in your mind that he died a hero's death. If you do not believe in the legend, then he was just a man, and it does not matter how he died."
Prophetic words from Worf at the beginning of this very episode.
Well I guess that settles that!
I love how that line ties into this ending, and the theme of the episode
Actually this might be said of every legendary hero. Even Jesus of Nazareth.
Davy Crockett was an Anglo Slaver and invader Monster and his mythology was built to hype up Slavery , Genocide of Amerindians and the Subjugation of Hispanics .
It reminds me to the two-parter improbable cause and the die is cast. When Garrick and Bashir were discussing Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar on how Caesar a military technician could not foresee his own friend, stabbing him in the back. Then we have Tain fallen into a trap he could not have foreseen with Garrick quoting Shakespeare.
Next Generation and DS9 really gave the Klingons, the love and respect they deserve. To Kor, Kang and Koloth may they have glorious battles for all eternity in Stovokor! RIP Michael Ansara, William Campbell and John Colicos.
Well said. The Klingons had such soul and enthusiasm.
DS9 developed the hell out of not just the Klingons, but The Cardassians and Ferengi as well.
The Romulans still remained somewhat enigmatic but that has always been the way with them.
@@MDE_never_dies The Ferengi were initially an allegory for vulture capitalism but they really became a fully complex society. Same for Cardassians.
@@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459 The Ferengi did become a fully complex society. But they were still vulture capitalists. 😉
@@danieldickson8591 you damn right. Long live the rules of acquisition! :)
John Collicos passed away not long after this... I hope he saw this tribute to Kor, The Dahar Master, as a thank you to him.
Translation of the Final Song:
See the number of fires burning clearly
Good fortune for the mighty Commander
Great luck, I discipline my hails of fortune to you, Commanders
Hail appreciation through your silence
Our Commander Kor
Hail again
Hail again
Hail again
You always cloak it thereabouts
the Fist of the Commander's hits
the Fist of the Commander
the Fist of the Commander
the Fist of the Commander
I love how old Klingons are ridiculously wise and calm. It's like they go through Klingon menopause, the bloodlust burns out, and...they suddenly get it. All of it.
_"Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young."_ -ancient proverb warning against Klingons
And THAT is how you honour a fallen hero. One who gave all, not because he had to. But because he knew it was necessary.
Pretty sure “necessary” means “had to.”
@@cameronrosen6910 No. You can acknowledge what is necessary, but not do it. Feeling you have to do it, means you know you are the only person who must do it. There's no other choice, for you. It's the matter of choice, that matters. Minor difference, but important.
@@Snipergod1024 Semantics.
@@cameronrosen6910 Perhaps. But it still changes the meaning of the sentence. At any rate, does it matter, really?
@@Snipergod1024 Yes. To me. Because I'm as pedantic as Picard.
Next Gen showed us Klingons could be noble and honorable warriors. DS9 brought that to the forefront.
“If they succeed, you can drink to their courage. And if they fail…..you can still drink to their courage.” This is such a beautiful moment. A warrior, going out as a warrior. Sacrificing oneself in fighting glory to help others. And being recognized as one posthumously. True warrior hero.
"On the bridge?!" This was Martok's first reaction. Many depictions of Klingons are of rowdy warriors, ever spoiling for a fight. There is some of that in this episode as well, but Martok's reaction speaks to protocol and norms, and a warrior's professionalism. You don't drink on the bridge. But that just makes it more meaningful and special when they do.
This is why fans love Klingons so much.
Not sure about the klingons now
What a story arc for Kor. 33 years after his first appearance on TOS.
One of the most powerful scene was the end, Star Trek DS9 really allowed us to explore the Klingon Culture more and in many ways have a lot of fans gain an appreciation for Klingons.
I spoke to a very convivial FOOL who said and I quote " DS9 was great except for the introduction of the 2 dimensional Worf" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 A true Sophomore : a wise Fool. He did love the show doh.
"The Klingon Empire is dying. And I think it deserves to die." Yep, lots of appreciation :D
@@jerodast oh come off it.
Loving something doesn't mean you ignore its flaws, or shouldn't recognize when it needs to change in order to survive.
@@darklordofswordI completely agree. "Deserves" was the word that sounded slightly mean. It implies an emotional component to what "should" happen that goes beyond "the natural consequences of the situation". (Also, she never said "I love the Empire, and intentionally distanced her new views from the ones of the former hosts who clearly did love the Empire.) All that said, yes she was speaking rather figuratively, hence my Smiley to hint I'm just teasing about the wordplay, not making some grand claim about Ezri's deepest agendas.
@@jerodast unfortunately the show can never truly escpae it's liberal priors. Though DS9 comes the closest of any series to critiquing the vision of the priginal universe.
Moments like these are why I love DS9. Still the best trek series ever made
TOS for me due to the spectacle (no standards to work to so they went all out in the fantastical aspects) but DS9 runs a close second for the many character moments.
While Kor's mind may have been failing, the heart of a Klingon still beat proudly in his chest.
Even Alzheimer's can't break the spirit of Kor, one of the greatest Klingon warriors of all time!
@@girlgarde Alzheimer's doesn't matter in a rear-guard battle. Kor hurled himself into danger and he let his reflexes and experience take over. You don't need to know who's shooting at you to return fire.
-This is one warrior who refuses to be pitied!
Even for that original Klingon, there is one battle that you can muster enough strength and mental fortitude for.
For any Klingon, that’s all the motivation one needs.
And so fell in battle Kor, son of Rynar, the Dahar master.
0:32 he does a very effective delivery of “Die well, Worf...” -you sense the woe and respect in Klingon culture.
Especially when you consider Kor's parting words to Worf:
"Live well."
Worf was like a brother to him
@@ryanarment5393 At this time of the series. Matrak & Worf are brothers. Matrak adopted Worf to be in his house.
Just goes to show: in the battle of great acting vs CGI, the actors, writers, and the imaginations of the viewers win every time!
We spent nearly an entire episode learning who Kor is now. There was never any doubt he would settle for nothing less than a glorious death.
Kor, the Dahar Master. ✊
Dahar I think.
@@jerodast
Yes, it's actually "Dahar."
Today's Star Trek writers couldn't dream of writing a scene so powerful.
We got that lame musical featuring Klingon K-Pop singers instead 😒
Todays ST writers can write? You sure about that? 😂
My favorite Klingon episode of all time!!!
This gives us the Klingons how we love them, gives us a Klingon legacy character, it allows us a look on how Klingons deal with getting old and outliving their own legend, as well as giving a legendary warrior a worthy goodby - AWESOME!
I still get teary eyed when the Rotarran officer narrates Kor's fight against the Jem'Hadar fleet, his victory and demise, and the following moments when the Klingon crew that ridiculed old Kor starts singing to his honor. Damn, I'm getting teary eyed just writing about it right now!😢
The thing that stands out the most to me in this scene is the song at the end. It's an entirely fictitious, and the vast majority of people watching have absolutely no idea what it says. But just from the ways the words are said, and the rythem, the context...you know what it means.
He went out swinging, in one last blaze of glory. He got to go out as a legend, instead of a broken old man
The way a Klingon warrior is meant to go. To the gates of Sto-vo-kor dripping in the blood of his enemies.
@@xsailor85 Do Jem'Hadar even have blood? I thought their veins just ran with Space-Heroine
@@weldonwin jem hadar yes, breen don´t
Not just a legend, a True Klingon Warrior
Kors helmsman and weapons officer must have been phenomenal to be able constantly shift targeting every single Jem-Hadar ship while constantly performing evasive manuevers for 10 min. That must have been the longest 10 minutes EVER
Part of me is really excited that they didn't show the battle. It is rare that films/movies makes you to use your imagination.. I believe that is one of the reasons this is one of the most epic battles in Star Trek and we didn't even get to see it.
Still, I can see the fire on the deck, and Kor staying in command until the last second using tactics that nobody else could pull.
@@se3d the imagination is far better in this instance
Star Trek Online players can very well understood how it happened.
@@se3d Nancy Youngblut, the actress narrating the battle, makes this scene. This is why this episode is so much loved in so many DS9 lists.
Man was alone on a bridge with all the consoles. Must have transfered all the commands to the captains chair or pilot. And then swapped between all of the targets in mere seconds, all that while everything on the ship was failing. Worthy of Kahless himself.
Best send off for a character in the whole Star Trek franchise....
Hero's are remembered, but Dahar Master's never die.
Follow your heart kor And you'll never wrong
One hell of a send off to a legendary warrior and TOS character
LONG LIVE KOR
Long live the Empire!
TOS?
RIP Commander/Dahar Master Kor
We see him in TOS in Errand of Mercy and we fare him well in DS9 Once Unto The Breach
That Actress wasn't given enough credit. I enjoyed her in this. :)
Yes, her breathless narration of the action was superb.
She was great in the first episode on the Rotarran too
Hertzler (Martok) Really liked both those actresses. It's a combination of them being soldiers in a great story and simply getting their sexy pance on being klingons.
And a nice singing voice!
The thing I love about this scene is it doesn't submit to the desire to show the battle, there's no need, the investment is there the audience knows the stakes and can understand the situation, there's no cut to Korr on the Ning-Tao, there's no battle scene, just the play by play....and it understands that that is all that's needed....
There's a storytelling rule called 'show, don't tell.' On one hand, this would appear to avert that rule by not showing the battle, but that's not the point of the story. This scene isn't about the death of Kor, it's about the birth of the Legend of Kor, and we are exactly where we need to be to see that.
Even among the many great Klingon moments in Star Trek history, this is one of my favourites.
What a way to send off Kor and John Colicos. That was the actor's last ever tv appearance. A fitful one as well. Let's go back, Kor, asked Worf to be on the mission. Begrugingly, Martak denies Kor's initial request for a command. However, Martok let Kor be on his ship as 3rd Officer. If he didn't Worf would've joined Jadzia in Sto,Vor,Kor. Kor would've been a forgotten warrior in Klingon history. Worf was a good friend to Kor. In return Kor, saves his life and dies a glorious death worthy of song.
This is Star Trek at its best. We dont need to see the battle, the tension, the talking, the music.....Best ever Klingon episode.
I'd say not seeing it even adds to it, we only know what Matok does, a verbal report from his scanner officer whose equipment is at the edge of its range, it let's us feel his tension and amazement at what's happening
Opened his eyes. The calm water before Stow vo kor.
Kor stood as a figure approached.
"Who are you?" Kor demanded.
The figure stood before him.
"Kirk! Were you sent here to send me to Grethor?"
"No, to accompany you to Stow vo kor."
Martok: "How did that pompous old man hold of an entire fleet with only one ship!"
Worf: "with guile."
@thegrimmretails3777 tbf Kor probably went out spitting yoga fire. 😂
I was furious, sentimental and so joyous when I first saw this.
Kor got a WAY better send off than Kirk did.
Yeah if kirk had saved everyone and THEN got into the nexus at the end of the movie. Like he got to go explore where no man has gone before or something. But no he died and got buried under some rocks on a random ass planet from a fist fight
At least Kirk's death was on screen. And he died saving millions of lives. He died making a difference. Besides.... Kirk always knew he would die alone.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph The power of this episode was that Kor's death was off screen in a 10 to 1 battle.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph He pathetically fell to his death on a bridge, the thing is originally he was going to be shot in the back by Soran!
So they re-wrote one pathetic death scene for an even worse one.
@@ValiantWrestling He died making a difference.
"Oh, Spock pathetically died by stupidly exposing himself to radiation."
A heroic death doesn't have to be extravagant or flashy to be meaningful.
Kor and his 6 volunteers beemed over onto each jemhadar ship after there bird of prey lost weapons and shields and took control continuing to fight and confuse them
Something like that never occurred to me, but it would be an interesting way to have drawn out the battle.
I think the only way that would work is if Kor disabled the shields on each of the ships. One at a time and if their ships were down how much of a fight could they put up with with the rest of them? No I think because a Klingon bird-of-prey is far more maneuverable than the jem'hadar ships
R.I.P. AND GOD BLESS YOU, JOHN COLICOS, WHO MADE "KOR" THE NOBLEST OF ALL KLINGONS IN THE "STAR TREK" UNIVERSE.
hehe Indeed a truely fitting and honrable end to the very voice actor that played this klingon character I ofc say this for all fans of Klngon characters like Kor. May John Colicos truely be at Honrable Peace as will Kor The Dahar Master also be in Sto Vo Kor. R.I.P to them both.
When re watched these back when the DVDs came out I had no idea they brought back the same actor from TOS Kor.
There is no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends.
Qapla Kor! Sto-Vo-Kor awaits you!
The scene about davy crockett earlier in the episode really adds context, but this is great nonetheless
Yes, when Worf states, Does it Matter?
@@edwardpate6128 Yeah that really would make less sense without the thematic tie-in. Like "Uh YEAH Worf if there's some tactic that's a 10x force multiplier for our Bird of Prey fleet IT ACTUALLY DOES MATTER."
Klingons, a powerful, honorable warrior people, with hearts that burn with the fierceness of the sun. Amazing tribute.
Long live Kor, Dahar Master.
“He will succeed, he is Kor, the Dahar Master”
Kor at the gates of Stovokor seeing Kang and Koloth. I finally mad it bitches and took ten enemy ships with me.
I actually cried during this scene...
I always liked the little exchange between Martok at Darok at the start. Martok who appears in the moment to be stuffy, and concerned with protocol, Darok by contrast is more relaxed in his approach - happy to have a drink on the bridge to honour comrades who are about to fall! Martok finally lets his bitterness towards Kor go at the end, owing the lives of his ship and himself to that 'pompous old man' - eagerly snapping the lid from the bottle with his D'k tahg and taking one hell of a swig!!!
To Kor, the Dahar MASTER, a noble warrior to the End. We salute you Sir. 🙏
In Star Trek Online Martok named the newest class of top tier elite Bird of Prey ships after Kor. I love flying my Kor-class BoP!!! He's my favorite dead Klingon.
The part that adds an extra layer of power to this is that Martok always had hard feelings towards Kor. But while those feelings have not been resolved, even Martok respects Kor for his deeds in his last moments
Martok honours him but does not take part in the song ! As it should be
@@godking
I thought "Martok" skipped singing because the actor's prosthetics made him uncomfortable.
He's admitted he's got no depth perception using only one eye.
I wish someone would upload the scene with Kor’s speech about youth and old age, that was pretty deep.
There is no honor greater than earning your worst enemies respect and having them sing your praises 🔥
I’m not crying. You are.
“One ship, against ten. It doesn’t seem possible!”
Neither did getting the better of Worf...
"He will succeed. He is Kor, the Dahar Master". The absolute certainty in Worfs voice at that statement. Chills.
@@Isildun9 I do like how they mirror this with the tales of Davy Crocket at the Alamo at the beginning of the episode. The truth of what happened rarely matters when it comes to Folk Heroes. What matters is what these figures make you feel or what values you learn from them.
Kirk faced and survived 10 Romulun war birds with the corinite maneuver
when Kor reached Stovokor, Kahless waited to welcome him
And Kirk.
I like to think even the Jem'Hadar honored him as well.
Kor was over 140. Jem'Hadar don't live past 13.
Long live Kor, the Dahar Master.
Always love this episode.
This has to have been the single greatest tactical feat of brilliance in all of Star Trek History. Not even Kirk , Picard or Riker could have pulled that off in their primes
It makes sense. Kor was one of the few Klingon commanders who could fight Kirk on even terms, back in the day.
riker is a excellent starship tactician.
if it were riker commanding the enterprise-E vs the scimitar (shinzon) I think the enterprise-E would've done better.
Picard is not much a starship tactician as shown in TNG.
with TOS since it was low budget they couldn't show us the goodies but with balance of terror kirk defeated the greatest romulan starship commander that is a big feat for kirks ship battle prowess.
@@cosmeticscameo8277 Kor was in ONE bird of prey- which is a medium cruiser... against 10 Jemhadar bug ships. BOPs One main advantage is its agility. Its fast. But thats all it has. Its not as powerful as an ENT-D. Riker wouldnt have been able to stall them for that long....
@@matvangogh a bird of prey wouldn't even be a medium cruiser. at best a frigate.
it's hard to compare character A to B to C when none of them faced a common foe for a comparison or each other. we do know that kirk was one of starfleets greatest tacticians so that even the klingons kor, kang, koloth etc gave kirk his credits.
@@cosmeticscameo8277 I doubt it, Riker is the one who lost the ENTERPRISE-D!
He could have tried evading the fire of the Klingon BOP, he could have done what Picard did against the Scimitar (fire phasers blindly!) after all a single hit would have probably crippled that old BOP...but he sat there till Worf pulled his trick :(
This scene is just plain epic!! Just look at how Martak just stands there in front of his crew as they sing.......one of the best sends-offs in trek history, period.
I'm almost 36 and have loved Star Trek since I was a little kid of maybe five or six years old. The older I get, the more I love it. I've watched and rewatched all the great "prestige" TV series more times than any healthy minded adult should. None of them come close to Star Trek when Star Trek is at its best. None of them have influenced the way I look at the world like Star Trek has. If you feel the same way, pass your love of Star Trek on to others, especially the younger people in your life.
Damn onion cutting klingons... ;(
Hey, they have no tearducts.
I wish the contemporary writers and producers of Star Trek had a tenth of the skill they used to have back when they made such scenes…
Bless you mate I hear you. Episodes like this are why I loved DS9.
I miss when Star Trek was good like this
Rank TNG, DS9 and Voyager?
This is who the Klingons are. They got their mojo back with this war. It was just and brutal-their ideal
Conflict.
Cool exterior shot of the Bird of Prey for the ending.
"I hope that old fool knows what he is doing".
This is Kor we're talking about. Chances are he's gripped Death itself by the throat, said "We're going bar hopping now!" and Death meekly cries out "I don't wanna drink."
The best scene to let a hero go!
Even when i was more in Star Wars than in Star Trek this scene impressed me so much.
I can't even imagine that they would let go an old movie hero these day in such an honorable way that you can say:
"Go old man/woman, and thank you for everything!"
Man this episode, possibly more than any other, truly showed us what it meant to be Klingon. In the end, politics, status, and age mean nothing to courage, honor, and sacrifice.
Underrated comment.
In the end, the honor is to serve. Kor exemplified that here.
The Klingons are such an interesting species. Brutish and savage like a Viking, yet honorable and devoted like a Samurai. To them, dying in battle is the only way to leave this mortal life. A good death is it’s own reward. Kor did this and more. He saved his fellow warriors and friends.
This episode brought a tear to my eye.
One of the greatest scenes in all of Star Trek. I get emotional. Damn I love this Klingon stuff. Respect, honor, courage, who wouldnt want to aspire to this??
*Right there with you...*
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The greatest Klingon of all time 😊
Klingons can make you cry in less than 1 minute.
HAIL KOR!
Outstandingly Glorious!
One of my favorite episodes! Kor a great character going back to TOS.
1 ship against ten shouldn't be possible.. Defiant - "hold my beer"
just watching this scene makes me proud to be klingon
I can just imagine the last moments for Khor, Big smile on face, killing many foes...bat'leth held high & with bloodwine flowing in his veins.
Long live the Klingon Empire!
One of the many scenes that continuously reminds me how much I love the klingons and specifically how DS9 as a series truly did justice to the race through beautiful scenes like this. Also note how they didnt SHOW the battle that Kor did at the end, because there is no need to. The characters did not know what happened, and neither should we, and Worf puts it perfectly: does it matter? No. He takes one last stand as the Daha Master to reclaim his honor among the crew, and his legend will be passed on for generations.
That may be true, but I think they should have had recordings of the battle. It would show how they did it and inspire future warriors to learn to fly and fight as Kor and his crew did.
There was a line from the CGI animated series War Planets that I think would apply perfectly to Kor, Kang, and Koloth: "You died as you lived - gloriously. The universe will never know your like again."
That song, simple things like that just further added to the Trek universe and the beauty of it's many cultures.
One of the moving and power Star Trek episodes ever produced and performed. The ending never fails to cause tears of joy to well up. Well done DS9 creators!!!
I get chills every time they sing for Kor..
The Jem Hadar ARE formidable, but they never fought a Da'Har master before. This makes my heart SING!!!
He went out like a true Klingon
Was afraid I wouldn’t see how this episode turned out. Thank you!
@Mike Johnson Your hard work is appreciated!
This is what makes Martok different, yes he holds grudges like many Klingons do - but he is willing to see past them! Hell, he said he wouldn't even give Kor rubbish ("...bones of my last meal..."), but he changes his mind here!
It is important to remember: Kor won. Kor achieved his objective, in fact, Kor surpassed any reasonable expectation in achieving his objective. The Jem'hadar might have killed an enemy that day, but they went home failures, the losers of the battle. Kor won.