Marc Alaimo (rightfully) gets a lot of props for his portrayal of Dukat, but let's give some love to Casey Biggs as Damar. His arc, from Dukat's right-hand man to disillusioned drunk to revolutionary hero is remarkable at every turn. His "how can we fail?" response here and his "resist today, resist tomorrow" speech are something we would never expect from a Cardassian: inspirational.
Casey Biggs said in an interview that his story arc was based on the Alamo. According to what Casey Biggs said in the interview, producers developed this story a year or two before producing DS9
I saw an interview where Biggs said that Damar was never supposed to be a character with a story. But fans responded to him so much that they adjusted some story lines to fit Damar.
@@allanpierce2174well thats after she spared the Defiant's crew before, When she wanted them to spread their fear throughout the rest of the federation alliance.
"With men like you by our side, how can we fail!" - damar. Hearing him say that always fills me with emotion. Gods, I'm such a sucker for corny scifi writing!
@@BWBDCan See I get where you're coming from...But holy shit, after laying waste to Bajor via strip mining and slave labour, they betrayed the entire lower half of the galaxy, and betrayed US too! Im Human, so I'm clearly biased. The Cardies never even tried to come correct. They're even worse than the Romulans.
*Dominion Ships* : Explodes from almost every hit. *Defiant* : Dodges almost every hit. *Romulan Warbird* : Takes EVERY hit from a squadron of Attack Ships and does not give a single Shit about it.
@@hansolo631 I always thought they looked like impressive powerhouses, but even when I was young, I was saddened by how overwhelmed they looked when that combined fleet of tal shiar warbirds and obsidian order galor glass ships when they were decimated by 150 jem hadar ships when they tried to destroy the founders!!!! :( It seemed to me like being huge and powerful-looking didn't really mean much when there was a ton of smaller, less impressive looking vessels bombarding them with firepower!!!!! :( I do like to think the galaxy class uss odyssey could've beaten those three jem hadar ships when the federation first encountered the jem hadar if the jem hadar ships hadn't been able to punch through the odyssey's shields at will, though!!!!! While galaxy class starships only had, like 33% of the firepower of defiant class ships, I'm guessing galaxy class ships had way better shielding and sturdiness!
@@STEJTHEGREATEST yea... I mean that battle was all plot, and they didn't have the budget to have a big proper fight - plus that founder was forcing them into the worst path. And noone was holding up to dominion weapons at that point. I hated more how that ship in voyager demolished some warbirds like absolutely nothing. The prometheus or something like that, the triple-mode ship. They did not look like capital ships there. In star trek, alien ships just don't have shields. That's a luxury for the hero ships
I wish we could have seen the communication between the Cardassian ship captains when they found out the Dominion was bombing cities on their homeworld and decided enough was enough.
It was stupid of the Dominion to think they could destroy a city full of Cardassians and not have the Cardassian military decide to retaliate by changing sides.
@@kettch777 Not that stupid, actually. They knew the spoonheads were bereft of moral code...The gamble could have paid off had Damar had not fueled the fire of a unified Cardassia.
@@KH4444444444N Not having a moral code and not having *your* moral code are two different things. The Cardassians' moral code, summarised: the nation is more important than the individual; duty supersedes all else.
@@HighAdmiral Strip mining Bajor? Enslaving the Bajora to do such harm to their own world. Betraying the Federation to the Dominion, whilst the Feds sacrificed their precious, decades-long union with the Klingons, in order to protect their solidarity and interests? Yeah..Wow...I guess you are a piece of shit and I'm not...
@@normanroscher7545 DS9 suffered a bit from what I'd call the "Battlestar Galactica effect" Decent special effects especially for the time, but excessively reused.
@@freezetasticvoyage19 Of course. I had my problems with the writing of the BSG remake but the special effects were not one of them, and frankly it ruined the original BSG combat sequences for me what with the handful of endlessly repeated Viper and Raider flybys.
For me the most impressive actor/actress was Salome Jens. Her portrayal as the female changeling was superb. She also played an alien in Voyager where she again, rocked it. She's a great actress.
Her TNG appearance as the projected message that Picard, a Klingon Commander, Gul Ocett, and a Romulan Commander watched after unlocking a message in DNA strands... makes me think that this long gone species visited the Great Link's homeworld too...
And I don't fault Broca for asking, either. If they execute Damar publicly, it could squash or reduce those persistent rumors of Damar sightings. There were good reasons to keep them alive (temporarily), just as there were good reasons to kill them immediately.
Another great example of this kind of logic is the film Watchmen. Tbt I didn’t understand 90% of the film, but what stuck with me was the villain taking 5 minutes to explain his scheme, then the twist of saying ‘I pushed the button 35 minutes ago’. He broke the mould.
Oof, playing it dangerous are we. I'm a next generation kind of guy but to each their own. DS9 did have some excellent battles/stories, it's my second choice for sure.
@Life of Rob Aww you've got to be a little more nostalgic about it than that. DS9 got to do a lot of things we wanted to see but couldn't with the diplomatic enterprise/Picard combo leading. Worf kicking butt constantly with no undeserved reprimand after. A federation ship built for pure war (and delivering). CAPTAIN Worf. Q getting punched in the face. A lot of amazing things going on here to dismiss like that my friend.
The Cardassians lost more in 1 day than the Bajorans did in 60 years of occupation. Damar: "What kind of people give those orders?" Kira: "Yeah, Damar, what kind of people give those orders?" This is why DS9 is so good. Outstanding writing.
Dukat did nothing wrong, he lowered unempmoyment in Bajor and gave them jobs and quality lives! He incressed their rations and emdical care. And what did the bajorans do, did they thank him or even build a stztue? No they bgan attacking him for his kindness
It is so satisfying to see the Galaxy class ships in fleet formations. They are majestic and beautiful, but deadly at the same time after their Dominion War upgrades. Definitely the most beautiful Star Trek ship ever!
Seeing the plowshare Galaxy class beaten into a sword always felt so wrong to me, but it definitely illustrated the dire situation that the dominion war was. It was always a tough ship, I suppose it had to be, but it never felt like a warship to me.
What I loved about the Galaxy's portrayed in these battles? They way they gracefully and kinda lazily waded around the battle space basically unchallenged. Lol. The Dominion kept hitting the bulk of the fleet in the older excelsior and Miranda and small escorts. But the Galaxy class were just dancing around picking fights and putting up a picket and laying down suppression fire.
Majel Barrett computer voice: "Please fill out the standard Star Fleet will and final instructions before departing for battle in your explodium covered Runabout. Thank You!"
@@richardm3023 "OOoh, Explodium! They finally stopped using Nuklium! Our survival chances just went up by 4 percent! Wait....I'm wearing a red shirt....2 percent"
They're great when they have something to fight. But that's also the problem - when they _don't,_ then you've got a problem - because you're something they _could_ fight, they'll just need to find some excuse. So you better hope that they find something _else_ to fight before they turn to you.
I love that Garak's last words were going to be "how disappointing." I didn't catch that until now, but those'll probably be his last words when he later dies of space cancer, too.
DS9 was at its best during the Dominion War, although Far Beyond the Stars and The Visitor are hugely over-rated. B5 makes me cry blood after watching five seconds worth.
@@normanroscher7545 You sell B5 short, especially considering without it, DS9 wouldn't exist. This is because while DS9 ultimately aired first, B5 was pitched to Paramount, who opted to not run with it, but did take the whole space station idea for a spin. The parallels are actually kinda interesting. You have the a bit too authoritarian chief of security, the strong female second in command, and the messiah commander who have to battle a mighty force of aliens who've infiltrated various governments, including earth's. They even both have a kinda weak first season. Where they ultimately go is different and both provide a great ride in the end.
My God, I miss this show. And I miss the way that I felt each week of the final few months in 1999; as I waited to see the last episodes up until the finale. I wish that I could go back to that time and see the last ten episodes for the first time all over again.
4:44.....that is some awesome button pushing by the dude in the background. He's been a Starfleet Security Officer on the Enterprise D, and was shot by the 2 Klingons Korris and whatever the other one was called, he was a Bajoran security officer during Way of the Warrior and was blasted to his death from the upper balcony by a Klingon, and now he's an unnamed Starfleet officer randomly pushing buttons except, those are not even buttons! They look more like a series of isolinear chip types.
Actor and Stunt Performer Dennis Madalone. He was also a Terran Freedom Fighter with one eye in the DS9 Mirror Universe episodes Crossover, Through The Looking Glass and Shattered Mirror. Charles Hyman was Klingon Lieutenant Konmel in TNG episode Heart Of Glory.
Oh my god I never noticed this before but... "We've got to find a way to turn the dominions left flank." - Ross "Its too well protected, but their lines are spread pretty thin in the middle." - sisko "We have struck the enemy on the wings, and he has reinforced there on the wings, leaving him vulnerable in the center, General longstreet, you will have General Picketts division attack in the center and split the federal lines." - Robert Edward Lee, Gettysburg. They're using the same logic lee did before his disaster at Gettysburg, Implying disaster for them if the cardassians didn't switch sides.
Supposedly, if they'd just taken out a fence with the cannons, the charge wouldn't have been an utter disaster. As for switching sides, though, it just makes Cassadia seem like a more competent Italy.
the Dominion was not like the Union forces, they had strong weapons and suicidal Je'm Hadar fighters who were able to hold the line in the center. they were thin in the middle but not so thin that a charge would work.
I do love that humming from the Cardassian ships once they turn and start blasting away at Dominion forces. It was a good way to remind everybody just how strong their ships and their people were. All of those ships must have been battle hardened by that point as well with so many resources thrown at the Jem'Hadar and their new friends the Breen.
0:50 This shot must have been revolutionary for the 1990s back before they even had GoPros... with teh ship shaking like that as its turning , maybe they used fighter jet footage as a reference for that
That shot, and there's another from when the Klingons attacked DS9 that was the POV of a photon torpedo launched by the station chasing down its target. Both completely blew my mind first time I saw them during the broadcast that I begged my mom to stay up late and watch.
@@ianmoseley9910 If you want realistic, take a look at the battles in The Expanse. None of the stuff shown in this video is anywhere near taking the vacuum of space into account.
@@anlumo1 I'd have gone with the series in direct competition, Babylon 5. They ran at the same time, both were about stations and both had badass hero warships that were small but powerful... They both had great character arcs too.
@@HusbandofLois Tain was the head of the Obsidian Order, he couldn't afford to acknowledge any family attachments. If not for that peculiarity of their family, they likely would've been a standard nuclear family.
The moment those two Galor class fall behind the Defiant, blasting away with those big ol' leatherskin cannons, probably the single best part of that battle.
E Nikata and from Undiscovered Country, that was already reused on Generations haha! Didn’t bother me too much though, cheaping out on the battle footage in order to give us a masterpiece story was a good decision in my book!
Although I’ve seen most of the individual episodes numerous times...I’ve 2 days ago 11th November 2019, just finished watching the whole thing in sequence for the first time. Made me truly appreciate just how good this show was...totally enjoyed the experience.
4:17 That's one of my favorite scenes. Larger ships like that Galaxy aren't agile but heavily armed so they'd basically act like stationary gun batteries. Just a hulking mass sitting there, the phaser banks going to work.
What i find hilarious about the Dominion War was they put quite a few episodes in place to bring the Romulans into the war but you rarely see their ships doing anything besides getting destroyed. And in terms of power the Warbird was probably the largest and most powerful in the quadrant at that point, at least among the "allies". Yet anytime you see them in these sequences they're either just moving along or getting pummeled by enemy fire.
Maybe they were just crap? Most of the D'Deridex class was just empty space, to make them look more menacing than actually powerful. That tactic may have worked during the time of Federation or Klingon incursions, where traditional large scale war never happened. But they got exposed during the Dominion war. May explain why the Valdore class got developed - an actual combat worthy ship that could be deployed.
@@davidknowles2491 But if it was just as unmaneuverable as the Galaxy class, that could explain why the Dominion beat them up as much as they did the Galaxy class ships. The Defiant class were far better for war.
The one thing about the Romulans is that most of their technology is about ambush tactics. They hit you with an overwhelming first strike right out of cloak and then finish you off. When you're rocking up with stealthy first strike ships and they're going against heavily armed ships of the line and corvette type ships that are built specifically to get blown up but pack a huge punch with squadron style tactics, that's going to just overwhelm a ship like a warbird. I think the only reason the Federation fared slightly better is the cloaking ban. They had to have better shielding and weapons because they would have to endure first strikes out of cloak from both Klingons and Romulans. Which necessarily makes you have to build a slightly tanky-er ship that can survive that initial onslaught and still put up a fight. Plus the Federation had been fighting the Dominion for longer and were better equipped via experience to deal with their combat tactics.
@@kerryedavis Actually the defiant class was pretty ill suited for war in the lore. As far as I know, it was specifically designed to be used in swarm combat against Borg cubes to exploit the cube's inability to properly adapt to entire swarms of small vessels all rotating frequencies. The defiant class was explicitly stated to not be designed to engage in fleet-to-fleet battles and that's why it could punch above its weight class but was 'glass canon fodder' at best.
This was straight up Star Trek at it's MOST badass. The Federation and allies are like a swarm of angry bees, tearing into the Dominion like they've never done before. And it all could have been avoided if Worf hadn't stopped Garak from annihilating the Founder's home world.
One of the best space battles I have seen, the ships feel weighty and you can make out everything that is going on because the FX artists didn't put a million ships in the mix to blind you with a million lasers and a cluster mess of copy paste stuff flying all over the place.
@KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades terrible acting and low proportion of good episodes. Even Janeway apologised years later for what she thought was a weak effort, and she was one of the LESS bad actors! Chakotay was infamously wooden for example. No comparison to actors like Garek, Sisko, kira etc
@KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades I won't say all the acting was bad, but it was definitely hit or miss. A lot of times, people were phoning it in, though, and it showed. The real problem though is the horrendous writing, which is a big part of why the actors weren't really shining.
@@stonem0013 Forget the acting. The writing was trash. No actor could have saved that. Seriously. Space dinosaurs and Q babies. What in the heck. Also the utter lack of long term damage to the ship or supplies issues. Voyager was written more like a fantasy star cruise than a crew stranded 70 years from home.
The excelsior weren’t so bad. An upgraded one gave the defiant a decent fight. The way I see it the best real life comparisons for the excelsiors would be the British Queen Elizabeth and Nelson class battleships in WW2, old but still lethal. In comparison the Mirandas were like the Town class destroyers, better than nothing
@@johnlavery3433 should also pay attention to WHAT destroys them A Miranda can actually take a punch. They're generally being blown up by stuff in par with Galaxy-class ships. And we've seen what a Galaxy does to most enemies.
It was at this point, the cardassians turning on the Gem'Hadar, and the Defiant opening a can of whoop ass on those oncoming enemy fighters that I leaped from my chair with both hands in the air ... screaming as loud as I could "OH HELLLL YEAAAHH!!!!!" :) But my home football team makes a huge play that wins the game and I just sit there, yawning my ass off. My priorities might be a bit off, but the moment was Priceless.
@1:52 got to think every Klingon onboard those ships are either screaming out or saying to themselves, "Qapla! This is the moment I've been training and waiting for my entire life. It's what we Klingons are meant to do! "
I always appreciated the design of the Cardassians warships and weapons. Simplistic, but gets the job done. I heard it took three Galors (or was it the larger Keldons) to match a Galaxy class starship. But they were able to make them in bunches, due to the lower resources that cost to make them. One on one they were weak, but in packs, deadly.
@@innocuousalias6632 to the same extent or just better then they originally were? You normally give even allied nations last year's (decade) tech. Still quite serviceable, but nothing to take on a true super power with. There are exceptions however. I feel the Dominion either never truly trusted Cardassia or the trust was so fleeting that there wasn't enough time to truly upgrade everything. Plus again you do not want to upgrade them to your level so if they do decide to turn on you, they can wreck havoc.
@@tilasole3252 I'm sure the basic designs of Cardassian weapons and shielding remained the same, it would have been their output that was upgraded. I always looked at their losing to klingons as bad as they did because of a technological disadvantage. Both the upgrading and the rebuilding of ships lost to the klingons had to have been necessary. Otherwise they would have just been a liability on the battlefield. "Wreak havoc" is how I would describe what happened when they turned on the dominion.
@@innocuousalias6632 weren't they losing to the Federation as well, had the Federation honestly wanted to win it would of been over much quicker? Can not remember what else was going on at the time, but it was not like the Federation was putting it's full might behind the war. In fact with all the member races in the Federation, you'd think they would be more powerful than they were. At least have war ships on the ready, even if not deployed. Member races should be able to stand on their own, not be refugees for the most part.
@@tilasole3252 Indeed, we saw a lot of what was going on in the Cardassian border wars as being more internal political battles. The actual combat actions appear to all have taken place at the ground troop level where communications were cut off and Federation soldiers, such as O'Brien, was cut off from any reinforcements and simply had to act on their own. I can easily see some small one or two piecemeal Starfleet ships facing a similar situation of being left hanging with no reinforcements and forced to use whatever tactic they could come up with to save themselves. But large space battles were avoided because of political decisions of the Federation council.
I always felt that the The USS Defiant was as close as the Federation got to having their own Millennium Falcon as it's unbelievably maneuverable compared with Galaxy class starships and other larger classes
The thing is there is no weight in space. So any galaxy class ship should be able to maneuver just like the defiant. That's what made the Enterprise D Borg Run so awesome in Picard S3. They remembered that.
5:02 "The timing couldn't be better!" Yes, it could Sisko. They could have switched sides at the START of the battle! Thousands of Federation, Klingon and Romulan people would still be alive.
Martok really loves that 2309 vintage. He's mentioned it before. I think it was in the ""You Are Cordially Invited" episode when Worf says there is a barrel of bloodwine for the "bachelor party," and Martok says (while walking off-screen with them), "The vintage? 2309, I hope."
Deep Space Nine to this day has been the only star trek I have watched 100% of the way through, if not more than 20x at this point rewatching it, and its because of character depth like this, I spent a lot of time disliking a handful of characters like Damar, Nog and Rom to name a few, characters I eventually through the shows deep story telling abilities, came to love in the end, its a damn shame people constantly bicker over if Picard or Kirk is better, when clearly the choice is right in front of our faces, it was always SIsko in my opinion, then again they do all have their own merits as Captains.
@@doords it would be great to see. Unfortunately Avery Brooks is having a lot of health issues (maybe it doesn't matter as much for Sisko to be there considering how it all ended). But most of the other cast members have said they are game to return. Maybe a DS9: The Next Generation would be a fitting show?
Is there a novel that depicts this battle from the Cardassian perspective? It would be awesome to see how they heard about the Founder's order to kill their people and their decision to switch sides.
@@TheRealCaptainJamesTKirk The Dominion destroyed Lakarian City, killing all 2 million inhabitants, as a punishment for the rebels causing a planet wide blackout. It was the news of this atrocity that made the Cardassian fleet switch sides.
@@TheLacix In a moment of desperation he did the only thing he thought he could do to save his people. Even if it's not something anyone can condone, it's something even a noble person would be tempted to do.
If only they had more funds for this. Yes Star Trek isn’t a war show. But like. Watching a wing of Galaxies backed up with Vorchas and Warbirds fight off a few Cardies would have been stunning.
When _TNG_ was being produced, the number of _Galaxy-class_ ships was about a dozen-or-so, including the prototype _Galaxy_ herself and the _Enterprise-D._ (If I remember correctly, all of them are named in the non-canon _Star Trek The Next Generation: Technical Manual._ ) It was _DS9_ that made the number of _Galaxy-class_ ships skyrocket to uncountable numbers due to budget constraints and reuse of footage; they didn't have the money or time to develop many more 24th Century-looking ships that didn't look like blatant kitbashes (I'm looking at you, _Jaeger-class_ ...)
The original run of Galaxy classes were long range explorers, and the need for a great many of them wasn’t considered necessary until they needed to start replacing Excelcior class ships, the Dominon war versions were upgraded till they were prettty much battleshipsand the federation churned out as many of them as possible
and they introduced CGI into the series so they could just copy and paste to show these big fleets. The Klingon attack on DS9 was the final use of just models in Star Trek.
Ya right.... The Entire show(s) is based on each races Military Capabilities. But it is NOT about war. That is what is called propaganda. No matter if it is about Preventing, Starting and/or Winning. It is about War. Think on this. 1st appearance Klingons = War 1st appearance Romulans = War 1st appearance Ferengi = War 1st appearance Borg = War 1st appearance Cardassians = War Seriously the ONLY major race the Federation has not had war with is the Vulcans. Now granted the Writers and Creators try and push this Peace BS, but it is just that BS.
@@johnlavery3433 The thought occurred to me that the Galaxy-class starship wouldn't be my first choice of ship of which to send a fleet for a battle... it's just so big that it's an easy target to hit/ram, and doesn't maneuver as well as a smaller ship. Granted a Galaxy has pretty good firepower, deflector shields, and is pretty fast. A really good exploration / diplomacy ship, just not as good a battleship. As TNG-type ships go, I prefer the Sovereign-class Enterprise E to the Galaxy-class D.
"With lettuce"... i absolutely loved DS9 and I seriously hope they keep the lore to Picard which they hinted at in the teaser for the new season of Picard. DS9 really did include all the species and politics so gracefully that it really does apply to this current world events.
4:49 I'm assuming this is about the time long range communication came back online and Cardassians found out about what the Dominion had done to their homeworld. Bad move fellas!
I think that timing is off. They'd already switched sides before long-range communications were restored, possibly it was due to the Dominion wiping out Lakarian City on Cardassia Prime, although apparently that happened at least a couple days earlier.
Can we just have a moment of respect for Nog? He can pilot a ship like no other, and had his father Rom's Engineering and computer skills. If this is what the Ferengi can become, then they will be a HUGE asset to the Federation. Similar to the Muuns of Muunlist in the Star Wars Universe. Ferenginar is one of the wealthiest planets and with its massive connections and networks for supplies, it can be the "Banking Clan" for Federation ventures throughout the galaxy. But, as Rom and Nog have proven, the Ferengi do have very advanced scientific minds. Although they don't like to advertise as their (nerds) are considered against the Rules of Acquisition. Basically "You don't make it, you buy the one that makes it". But there are Ferengi scientists (The one who created metaphasic shielding,) Dr. Reyga. And they also are valuable to the Borg as facilitators as they are immune to telepathic abilities, and have incredible hearing.
I remember seeing DS9’s last few episodes when they first aired. Coincidentally, I was studying WWII in high school history class at the time. I called the battle for Cardassia “D-Day In Space” or “Normandy In Space”. The parallels are inescapable - the massive invasion fleets, the last stand of a fortified enemy, and a nation that had fallen to a collaborationist government finally being liberated by citizens fighting in bombed-out city streets. The Founder’s order to “eradicate the Cardassians” even echoes Hitler’s infamous query to his generals in France: “Is Paris burning?!” I also found it interesting that the DS9 writers gave the Cardassians, who had brutally occupied Bajor like the Nazis did to Europe, and drove Federation citizens in their border space to form a latter-day “Marquis” underground resistance, a bitter taste of what it felt like to be persecuted outlaws in their own homeland. I’m sure many people in that production room had a keen grasp of history, and knew that at least some of the fans would appreciate those historical themes.
TheLocutus70 It’s funny, after Starfleet adapted their shields to resist Dominion weapons, their ships were actually better one for one than the Dominion ships. Excusing their massive battle ships ect... the Excelsior and Miranda class ships made solid cruisers and Frigates. The Dominion was feared due the massive amount of solid ships that can be rebuilt in seconds compared to the Federation Alliance ships. Plus the breeding of Jem’Hadar legions was relatively quick. All the while backed up by a rebuilt and improved Cardassian Union.
I'll agree on the Mirandas, but the USS Lakota demonstrated that it was possible to upgrade the Excelsior-class sufficiently to give even the USS Defiant some trouble.
The scenes of the Dominion ripping into the Klingon ships is freaking brutal. Especially the internal scenes just before death. The Dominion fighting style in ship to ship combat was so different to anyone else.
@@schattenseele66 Unfortunately, for the same reason, they also didn't take shields into this scene, even though we've heard before that they're very resistant to Breen weapons.
Marc Alaimo (rightfully) gets a lot of props for his portrayal of Dukat, but let's give some love to Casey Biggs as Damar. His arc, from Dukat's right-hand man to disillusioned drunk to revolutionary hero is remarkable at every turn. His "how can we fail?" response here and his "resist today, resist tomorrow" speech are something we would never expect from a Cardassian: inspirational.
Casey Biggs said in an interview that his story arc was based on the Alamo. According to what Casey Biggs said in the interview, producers developed this story a year or two before producing DS9
I saw an interview where Biggs said that Damar was never supposed to be a character with a story. But fans responded to him so much that they adjusted some story lines to fit Damar.
Also another one: "How can they kill women and children??" in front of Major Kira. Major Kira replied something like, "Yes, Damar. You tell me."
He should have survived.
@@MichaelPhongMitchell Yeah Damar, what kind of people give those orders?
"Does anyone have any last words?"
"Final words are not permitted."
"How disappointing."
"Does anyone have any new battle footage?"
"New battle footage costs too much money."
"How disappointing."
Not permitted? What are you going to do, kill me twice?
@WystenDraco then he'd ask you to explain that....
Me final words aren't permitted tube baby.
@John Frylock You've got me there.
Garak: Fuck the Dominion!!!
"Shall I have them brought here?"
"What for?"
Nice subversion of usual plot devices, there.
She's watched a lot of James Bond, apparently
She's one of the first villains smart enough to just kill her enemies
@@allanpierce2174well thats after she spared the Defiant's crew before, When she wanted them to spread their fear throughout the rest of the federation alliance.
Oh ya I forgot about that, that was after the breen energy weapons tore through Sisko's pimp hand@@losleon937
The Founder failed to enter plot-armor into her calculations ( Damar's is wearing a bit thin ).
"With men like you by our side, how can we fail!" - damar. Hearing him say that always fills me with emotion. Gods, I'm such a sucker for corny scifi writing!
The best writing there is
To me, it seemed like Damar was signing *someone's* death warrant with a phrase like that.
Corney? Fuck that shit.
That was one of the best lines from the end of DS9. It's a shame he didn't get to see a free cardasia.
@@BWBDCan See I get where you're coming from...But holy shit, after laying waste to Bajor via strip mining and slave labour, they betrayed the entire lower half of the galaxy, and betrayed US too! Im Human, so I'm clearly biased. The Cardies never even tried to come correct. They're even worse than the Romulans.
*Dominion Ships* : Explodes from almost every hit.
*Defiant* : Dodges almost every hit.
*Romulan Warbird* : Takes EVERY hit from a squadron of Attack Ships and does not give a single Shit about it.
I'd say that nacelle gave a bit of a shit.
In my book, big, slow romulan warbirds weren't really very well suited to this kind of battle.
It is in-line with a galaxy class. It'd be one of the more powerful ships in the battle
@@hansolo631 I always thought they looked like impressive powerhouses, but even when I was young, I was saddened by how overwhelmed they looked when that combined fleet of tal shiar warbirds and obsidian order galor glass ships when they were decimated by 150 jem hadar ships when they tried to destroy the founders!!!! :( It seemed to me like being huge and powerful-looking didn't really mean much when there was a ton of smaller, less impressive looking vessels bombarding them with firepower!!!!! :( I do like to think the galaxy class uss odyssey could've beaten those three jem hadar ships when the federation first encountered the jem hadar if the jem hadar ships hadn't been able to punch through the odyssey's shields at will, though!!!!! While galaxy class starships only had, like 33% of the firepower of defiant class ships, I'm guessing galaxy class ships had way better shielding and sturdiness!
@@STEJTHEGREATEST yea... I mean that battle was all plot, and they didn't have the budget to have a big proper fight - plus that founder was forcing them into the worst path. And noone was holding up to dominion weapons at that point.
I hated more how that ship in voyager demolished some warbirds like absolutely nothing. The prometheus or something like that, the triple-mode ship. They did not look like capital ships there.
In star trek, alien ships just don't have shields. That's a luxury for the hero ships
I wish we could have seen the communication between the Cardassian ship captains when they found out the Dominion was bombing cities on their homeworld and decided enough was enough.
It was stupid of the Dominion to think they could destroy a city full of Cardassians and not have the Cardassian military decide to retaliate by changing sides.
@@kettch777 Not that stupid, actually. They knew the spoonheads were bereft of moral code...The gamble could have paid off had Damar had not fueled the fire of a unified Cardassia.
@@KH4444444444N Not having a moral code and not having *your* moral code are two different things.
The Cardassians' moral code, summarised: the nation is more important than the individual; duty supersedes all else.
@@HighAdmiral Strip mining Bajor? Enslaving the Bajora to do such harm to their own world. Betraying the Federation to the Dominion, whilst the Feds sacrificed their precious, decades-long union with the Klingons, in order to protect their solidarity and interests? Yeah..Wow...I guess you are a piece of shit and I'm not...
@@KH4444444444N Well you're an idiot who doesn't understand words, but congrats on not being a piece of shit.
DS9 is probably the Trek Series that would benefit the most from a remastering.
Well, DS9 already had pretty good effects, but TNG could be greatly enhanced, especially the combat scenes!
@@normanroscher7545 DS9 suffered a bit from what I'd call the "Battlestar Galactica effect" Decent special effects especially for the time, but excessively reused.
@@cellulanus original, not reimagined, right?
@@freezetasticvoyage19 Of course. I had my problems with the writing of the BSG remake but the special effects were not one of them, and frankly it ruined the original BSG combat sequences for me what with the handful of endlessly repeated Viper and Raider flybys.
DS9 had the best battle scenes. It's just the stories were bad at times.
For me the most impressive actor/actress was Salome Jens. Her portrayal as the female changeling was superb. She also played an alien in Voyager where she again, rocked it. She's a great actress.
Her TNG appearance as the projected message that Picard, a Klingon Commander, Gul Ocett, and a Romulan Commander watched after unlocking a message in DNA strands... makes me think that this long gone species visited the Great Link's homeworld too...
"What for? - Have them executed." ... Didn't work that time, but more TV/movie villains should take note.
And Bond villains!
"What for? Just put them in an easily escapable death trap and we'll just assume they're dead".
And I don't fault Broca for asking, either. If they execute Damar publicly, it could squash or reduce those persistent rumors of Damar sightings. There were good reasons to keep them alive (temporarily), just as there were good reasons to kill them immediately.
@@threenumbnuts True, and Cardassians make a real show of their trial; it almost sounds like reality TV.
Another great example of this kind of logic is the film Watchmen. Tbt I didn’t understand 90% of the film, but what stuck with me was the villain taking 5 minutes to explain his scheme, then the twist of saying ‘I pushed the button 35 minutes ago’.
He broke the mould.
This scene was very powerfull. Especially if you consider the long build-up to it... DS9 was indeed Star Trek's finest series.
Yes its my favorite aswell
Oof, playing it dangerous are we.
I'm a next generation kind of guy but to each their own.
DS9 did have some excellent battles/stories, it's my second choice for sure.
@Life of Rob Aww you've got to be a little more nostalgic about it than that.
DS9 got to do a lot of things we wanted to see but couldn't with the diplomatic enterprise/Picard combo leading.
Worf kicking butt constantly with no undeserved reprimand after. A federation ship built for pure war (and delivering). CAPTAIN Worf.
Q getting punched in the face.
A lot of amazing things going on here to dismiss like that my friend.
DS9, the trekkies' trek
The Cardassians lost more in 1 day than the Bajorans did in 60 years of occupation.
Damar: "What kind of people give those orders?"
Kira: "Yeah, Damar, what kind of people give those orders?"
This is why DS9 is so good. Outstanding writing.
There are a lot of good parts. But I think the series itself is extremely bloated. I probably skip over 60% of the content on a watch through.
@Rowland Buck you can feel how you want to feel, it don't really matter. I think it's one of the best damn Star Trek shows within the series.
thats....not outstanding writing.
Dukat did nothing wrong, he lowered unempmoyment in Bajor and gave them jobs and quality lives! He incressed their rations and emdical care. And what did the bajorans do, did they thank him or even build a stztue? No they bgan attacking him for his kindness
@@plasmawarper5837
Bajorans are so uncivilized, don't know what they got until it's gone.
It is so satisfying to see the Galaxy class ships in fleet formations. They are majestic and beautiful, but deadly at the same time after their Dominion War upgrades. Definitely the most beautiful Star Trek ship ever!
ah the end of an era😭
Seeing the plowshare Galaxy class beaten into a sword always felt so wrong to me, but it definitely illustrated the dire situation that the dominion war was. It was always a tough ship, I suppose it had to be, but it never felt like a warship to me.
What I loved about the Galaxy's portrayed in these battles? They way they gracefully and kinda lazily waded around the battle space basically unchallenged. Lol. The Dominion kept hitting the bulk of the fleet in the older excelsior and Miranda and small escorts. But the Galaxy class were just dancing around picking fights and putting up a picket and laying down suppression fire.
2:19 I feel bad to whoever gets told that in the big battle they will be in a runabout.
The author added some footage from previous episodes. That one was from 'Die is Cast'.
Majel Barrett computer voice: "Please fill out the standard Star Fleet will and final instructions before departing for battle in your explodium covered Runabout. Thank You!"
@@richardm3023 "OOoh, Explodium! They finally stopped using Nuklium! Our survival chances just went up by 4 percent! Wait....I'm wearing a red shirt....2 percent"
>Takes out phaser and holds it handle out to the commander
"If you want to kill me; this'll be quicker."
God the Klingon's are so fucking cool when they're allies
They really are. It's like having the orcs on your side in a fantasy setting.
@@danielclark9519 Or like having the orks on your side in 40k against against tyrannids
They're great when they have something to fight. But that's also the problem - when they _don't,_ then you've got a problem - because you're something they _could_ fight, they'll just need to find some excuse. So you better hope that they find something _else_ to fight before they turn to you.
@@danielclark9519 I’d love to have a character suck as Skarsneeg or Grom on my side. That just sounds amazing
They're way more interesting as an ally. So fundamentally contrasted with Federation ideals, and yet they fight to the end nonetheless.
Damar is a surprisingly inspirational leader once he comes into his own. I mean, I'd follow the guy.
well I certainly wouldn't want him behind me...perhaps the same thing, but not the same sentiment haha
If I was a fascist snake man with a spoon in the forehead, I also would.
Yeah, if only for the truckload of kanar that will come after, for the celebration!
he lacks Dukat's innate need for glory but inspires it in the troops. Damar is more of an NCO type leader compared to Dukat's Patton-esque approach.
I love that Garak's last words were going to be "how disappointing." I didn't catch that until now, but those'll probably be his last words when he later dies of space cancer, too.
Riker has space Herpes
Like Doc Holliday, surprised to die with his boots off.
Love how coolly Captain Sisko stated "the timing couldn't be better" about a huge turn of the tide.
"Coolly" is a good description. I don't think he didn't care but he knows this just a small step in the right direction.
Cardassian faction leader: "Execute order 66"
3:30
Ds9 broke grounds with it's story telling. This show is still one one of my favorites
To true, by the pale moon light is epic.
@Emmanuel Goldstein Babylon 5? Come on. Over the top acting, cheesy characters and CGI that looked like a cheap computer game...
"The Visitor" is one of my favorite Trek episodes ever. Fabulous story. To this day I can't watch that DS9 episode without tears.
DS9 was at its best during the Dominion War, although Far Beyond the Stars and The Visitor are hugely over-rated. B5 makes me cry blood after watching five seconds worth.
@@normanroscher7545 You sell B5 short, especially considering without it, DS9 wouldn't exist. This is because while DS9 ultimately aired first, B5 was pitched to Paramount, who opted to not run with it, but did take the whole space station idea for a spin.
The parallels are actually kinda interesting. You have the a bit too authoritarian chief of security, the strong female second in command, and the messiah commander who have to battle a mighty force of aliens who've infiltrated various governments, including earth's. They even both have a kinda weak first season.
Where they ultimately go is different and both provide a great ride in the end.
My God, I miss this show. And I miss the way that I felt each week of the final few months in 1999; as I waited to see the last episodes up until the finale. I wish that I could go back to that time and see the last ten episodes for the first time all over again.
Well said my fellow Niner! I feel the same.
Any good?
Never saw it.
I have always loved at 1:26 how Kira goes from a Bajoran accent to Jersey/Philly haha!
The Founder is actually a smart villain. She doesn't waste time with meeting them and gloating. She just immediately orders their deaths.
Almost unheard of lol.
Then again, her orders are what enraged the Cardassians to the point where they collectively said enough was enough and changed sides.
Season 7 Kira, there is no finer vintage.
I watched these at a young age, and I always got *so* excited seeing space battles like these.
34 Miranda Class starships disliked.
More like 34 Babylon 5 fans.
This made me laugh I snorted
The miranda was a beautiful design
@Moab's Washpot it was 90 years out of date... just like the excelsior... flying death traps.
wtf did the founders expect. you can't keep the cardassians as allies after you destroy a entire city
They were hoping to scare them into submission
@@NitpickingNerd Well that worked really well, didn't it? XP
@@MrDibara Worked really damn well in the Gamma quadrant, apparently.
@@BasicShapes Well, welcome to the ALPHA Quadrant, bitches!
MrDibara it would have worked in the Alpha Quadrant too if the Prophets didn’t save the day by deleting those Dominion ships in the wormhole.
Poor Gul Broca, he has 4-5 kids to feed!
Kuato lives!
@@larnregis QQQQQUUAAAIIDDDDDDD
"What happened to the fifth?"
"Ah dammit man! I'm not even married!"
It likely his family died too. When they started bombing cardassia
"Sssscreeeeeeewww yooooouuuuu!!!"
"But... it's vacuum! The explosions would be silent!"
"I hope that's not the voice of experience talking."
4:44.....that is some awesome button pushing by the dude in the background. He's been a Starfleet Security Officer on the Enterprise D, and was shot by the 2 Klingons Korris and whatever the other one was called, he was a Bajoran security officer during Way of the Warrior and was blasted to his death from the upper balcony by a Klingon, and now he's an unnamed Starfleet officer randomly pushing buttons except, those are not even buttons! They look more like a series of isolinear chip types.
Ensign stop messing with the damn chips and go press some buttons!
Actor and Stunt Performer Dennis Madalone. He was also a Terran Freedom Fighter with one eye in the DS9 Mirror Universe episodes Crossover, Through The Looking Glass and Shattered Mirror. Charles Hyman was Klingon Lieutenant Konmel in TNG episode Heart Of Glory.
He was obviously Tweeting.
Back as a teen watching this in the 90s I'd get so sad watching ships destroyed knowing all the crew onboard 😖
The died heroically.
I'm loyal to the Dominion! Please, I've got 5 kids to feed!!!
Holy shit, how did I never realize that the Cardassian leader was Benny!?!
I thought you said you had 6 kids to feed?
🤣🤣🤣 Total Recall?!!
SCREEEEEW YOOOOOU!!!!!!!!!
@@mveytia Caught me to to be honest. He always looked familiar but I could not place him till somebody pointed it out.
Oh my god I never noticed this before but...
"We've got to find a way to turn the dominions left flank." - Ross
"Its too well protected, but their lines are spread pretty thin in the middle." - sisko
"We have struck the enemy on the wings, and he has reinforced there on the wings, leaving him vulnerable in the center, General longstreet, you will have General Picketts division attack in the center and split the federal lines." - Robert Edward Lee, Gettysburg.
They're using the same logic lee did before his disaster at Gettysburg, Implying disaster for them if the cardassians didn't switch sides.
Supposedly, if they'd just taken out a fence with the cannons, the charge wouldn't have been an utter disaster.
As for switching sides, though, it just makes Cassadia seem like a more competent Italy.
This thought also crossed my mind. Only Napolean, Alexander, and Ben f---ing Sisko could break an enemy's center.
@@richardm3023 That pimp hand won the war
the Dominion was not like the Union forces, they had strong weapons and suicidal Je'm Hadar fighters who were able to hold the line in the center. they were thin in the middle but not so thin that a charge would work.
@John Smith - That is probably the most insightful comment I've ever read on TH-cam.
I love how the Defiant-class can just shoot a ship to pieces and then slap its wingmen away as it punches through the debris cloud.
There is no finer vintage. Always gets me. 😂
5:32 Blowing up the Jem'Hadar and punching through the wreckage. What a fine lady!
I do love that humming from the Cardassian ships once they turn and start blasting away at Dominion forces. It was a good way to remind everybody just how strong their ships and their people were. All of those ships must have been battle hardened by that point as well with so many resources thrown at the Jem'Hadar and their new friends the Breen.
0:50 This shot must have been revolutionary for the 1990s back before they even had GoPros... with teh ship shaking like that as its turning , maybe they used fighter jet footage as a reference for that
That shot, and there's another from when the Klingons attacked DS9 that was the POV of a photon torpedo launched by the station chasing down its target. Both completely blew my mind first time I saw them during the broadcast that I begged my mom to stay up late and watch.
Pretty sur jet fighter tactics would be superseded in the absence of atmosphere
@@ianmoseley9910 If you want realistic, take a look at the battles in The Expanse. None of the stuff shown in this video is anywhere near taking the vacuum of space into account.
@@anlumo1 I'd have gone with the series in direct competition, Babylon 5. They ran at the same time, both were about stations and both had badass hero warships that were small but powerful... They both had great character arcs too.
Hate they killed the old cardassian woman
Mila is Garak's mother.
@Andy Petrovich ,
I thought she is just the housekeeper for Garak’s father.
@Techno Master I'm pretty sure she is his mother, it's just that because she's the housekeeper it makes Garak an illegitimate son of Tain
@@HusbandofLois Tain was the head of the Obsidian Order, he couldn't afford to acknowledge any family attachments. If not for that peculiarity of their family, they likely would've been a standard nuclear family.
@@VashtheStampede007 She was likely Garak's mother and conceived him with Tain even though the two of them weren't married.
The moment those two Galor class fall behind the Defiant, blasting away with those big ol' leatherskin cannons, probably the single best part of that battle.
I just wish the fight scene had been longer and didn't rehash scenes from the battle for the Chintaka system episode
And the battle to retake DS9 in Sacrifice of Angels.
E Nikata and from Undiscovered Country, that was already reused on Generations haha!
Didn’t bother me too much though, cheaping out on the battle footage in order to give us a masterpiece story was a good decision in my book!
They had to recycle footage because Voyager was starting to eat into their budget.
@@tbeller80 is that why?!
Yea, the main reason why this battle wasn't completely recycled footage was they needed to show the Cardassians switching sides.
Although I’ve seen most of the individual episodes numerous times...I’ve 2 days ago 11th November 2019, just finished watching the whole thing in sequence for the first time. Made me truly appreciate just how good this show was...totally enjoyed the experience.
"With men like you on our side, how can we fail."
Amazing line.
4:17 That's one of my favorite scenes. Larger ships like that Galaxy aren't agile but heavily armed so they'd basically act like stationary gun batteries. Just a hulking mass sitting there, the phaser banks going to work.
Best war epic in Sci-Fi history. Period.
What i find hilarious about the Dominion War was they put quite a few episodes in place to bring the Romulans into the war but you rarely see their ships doing anything besides getting destroyed. And in terms of power the Warbird was probably the largest and most powerful in the quadrant at that point, at least among the "allies". Yet anytime you see them in these sequences they're either just moving along or getting pummeled by enemy fire.
Maybe they were just crap? Most of the D'Deridex class was just empty space, to make them look more menacing than actually powerful. That tactic may have worked during the time of Federation or Klingon incursions, where traditional large scale war never happened. But they got exposed during the Dominion war. May explain why the Valdore class got developed - an actual combat worthy ship that could be deployed.
Wasn't it Star Trek Lore that a D'Deridex was as powerful as a Galaxy class?
@@davidknowles2491 But if it was just as unmaneuverable as the Galaxy class, that could explain why the Dominion beat them up as much as they did the Galaxy class ships. The Defiant class were far better for war.
The one thing about the Romulans is that most of their technology is about ambush tactics. They hit you with an overwhelming first strike right out of cloak and then finish you off. When you're rocking up with stealthy first strike ships and they're going against heavily armed ships of the line and corvette type ships that are built specifically to get blown up but pack a huge punch with squadron style tactics, that's going to just overwhelm a ship like a warbird.
I think the only reason the Federation fared slightly better is the cloaking ban. They had to have better shielding and weapons because they would have to endure first strikes out of cloak from both Klingons and Romulans. Which necessarily makes you have to build a slightly tanky-er ship that can survive that initial onslaught and still put up a fight. Plus the Federation had been fighting the Dominion for longer and were better equipped via experience to deal with their combat tactics.
@@kerryedavis Actually the defiant class was pretty ill suited for war in the lore.
As far as I know, it was specifically designed to be used in swarm combat against Borg cubes to exploit the cube's inability to properly adapt to entire swarms of small vessels all rotating frequencies. The defiant class was explicitly stated to not be designed to engage in fleet-to-fleet battles and that's why it could punch above its weight class but was 'glass canon fodder' at best.
"Sisko to all hands, prepare all stock battle footage"
This was straight up Star Trek at it's MOST badass. The Federation and allies are like a swarm of angry bees, tearing into the Dominion like they've never done before. And it all could have been avoided if Worf hadn't stopped Garak from annihilating the Founder's home world.
One of the best space battles I have seen, the ships feel weighty and you can make out everything that is going on because the FX artists didn't put a million ships in the mix to blind you with a million lasers and a cluster mess of copy paste stuff flying all over the place.
2:19 what the hell is that runabout doing?! Mad lad is just yoloing through a fleet on fleet engagement! XD
That's the Dominoes Pizza delivery ship. Sisko promised free pizza and breadsticks to every crew that took out a Breen ship.
Love the pulsating beam the Cardassian ships fire, like at 4:50. Nice special effects touch.
I forgot how good the Dominion War was might have to buy the whole series on DVD
It's a real shame they weren't given a proper budget for the final battle.
oh look its benny from total recall..."I have five kids to feed..."
Ho, damn, that's him!? XD
@@EVAUnit4A No.
Yes it is him!
BENNY!?
SCREW YOUUUU!!! XD
Lmao
Its such a shame the tv networks did not want to continue with this Star trek universe as DS9, TNG and voyager were by far the best
You lost me at voyager. Garbage series
@KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades terrible acting and low proportion of good episodes. Even Janeway apologised years later for what she thought was a weak effort, and she was one of the LESS bad actors! Chakotay was infamously wooden for example. No comparison to actors like Garek, Sisko, kira etc
I too am one of the few who truly enjoyed Voyager
@KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades I won't say all the acting was bad, but it was definitely hit or miss.
A lot of times, people were phoning it in, though, and it showed.
The real problem though is the horrendous writing, which is a big part of why the actors weren't really shining.
@@stonem0013 Forget the acting. The writing was trash. No actor could have saved that. Seriously. Space dinosaurs and Q babies. What in the heck. Also the utter lack of long term damage to the ship or supplies issues. Voyager was written more like a fantasy star cruise than a crew stranded 70 years from home.
Being assigned to one of those old Miranda or excelsior class ships during this war was basically a death sentence.
The excelsior weren’t so bad. An upgraded one gave the defiant a decent fight. The way I see it the best real life comparisons for the excelsiors would be the British Queen Elizabeth and Nelson class battleships in WW2, old but still lethal. In comparison the Mirandas were like the Town class destroyers, better than nothing
@@johnlavery3433 should also pay attention to WHAT destroys them A Miranda can actually take a punch. They're generally being blown up by stuff in par with Galaxy-class ships. And we've seen what a Galaxy does to most enemies.
Gotta love the sound of the Cardassian phasors.
It was at this point, the cardassians turning on the Gem'Hadar, and the Defiant opening a can of whoop ass on those oncoming enemy fighters that I leaped from my chair with both hands in the air ... screaming as loud as I could "OH HELLLL YEAAAHH!!!!!"
:)
But my home football team makes a huge play that wins the game and I just sit there, yawning my ass off.
My priorities might be a bit off, but the moment was Priceless.
"With men like you on our side, how can we fail?"
that one line will make me follow Damar to hell and then some!
I think if Starfleet had their whole fleet equipped with ships like the Defiant the Dominion would stand no chance
Federation council would never allow it. Many intellectual pacifist members would bitch slap down any debates about it.
"Some commander in the Defiant wants to lead a spearhead into the teeth of the Dominion line."
"Assign those 90 year old Miranda class ships, now!"
RIP all those federation men and women who lost their lives
They aren't real. It is just a show, get over it.
Don't forget the Klingon warriors and Romulan soldiers who also died in this battle. May Valhalla welcome you all, brothers and sisters! ✊
@@onkelebert787people like you are exhausting
2:06 They sure got their moneys worth out of that scene. lol
RIP Aron Eisenberg (Nog)
@1:52 got to think every Klingon onboard those ships are either screaming out or saying to themselves, "Qapla! This is the moment I've been training and waiting for my entire life. It's what we Klingons are meant to do! "
Demar's replacement is the black actor from Total Recall the cab driver who helped but later turned on Arnold 😬
funny that i was watching Total Recall last night and thought the same thing...!!! well spotted too!
K Llo, He had five kids to feed! :P
@@darrenc2721..... LMAO!!!!!
Get to the chopper!oh wrong movie!
K Llo “Man, I’ve got five kids to feed!”
From the space battle point of view, this is Star Treks best moment
I always appreciated the design of the Cardassians warships and weapons. Simplistic, but gets the job done. I heard it took three Galors (or was it the larger Keldons) to match a Galaxy class starship. But they were able to make them in bunches, due to the lower resources that cost to make them. One on one they were weak, but in packs, deadly.
Keep in mind they were heavily upgraded by the dominion technology at this time.
@@innocuousalias6632 to the same extent or just better then they originally were? You normally give even allied nations last year's (decade) tech. Still quite serviceable, but nothing to take on a true super power with. There are exceptions however. I feel the Dominion either never truly trusted Cardassia or the trust was so fleeting that there wasn't enough time to truly upgrade everything. Plus again you do not want to upgrade them to your level so if they do decide to turn on you, they can wreck havoc.
@@tilasole3252 I'm sure the basic designs of Cardassian weapons and shielding remained the same, it would have been their output that was upgraded. I always looked at their losing to klingons as bad as they did because of a technological disadvantage. Both the upgrading and the rebuilding of ships lost to the klingons had to have been necessary. Otherwise they would have just been a liability on the battlefield. "Wreak havoc" is how I would describe what happened when they turned on the dominion.
@@innocuousalias6632 weren't they losing to the Federation as well, had the Federation honestly wanted to win it would of been over much quicker? Can not remember what else was going on at the time, but it was not like the Federation was putting it's full might behind the war.
In fact with all the member races in the Federation, you'd think they would be more powerful than they were. At least have war ships on the ready, even if not deployed. Member races should be able to stand on their own, not be refugees for the most part.
@@tilasole3252 Indeed, we saw a lot of what was going on in the Cardassian border wars as being more internal political battles. The actual combat actions appear to all have taken place at the ground troop level where communications were cut off and Federation soldiers, such as O'Brien, was cut off from any reinforcements and simply had to act on their own. I can easily see some small one or two piecemeal Starfleet ships facing a similar situation of being left hanging with no reinforcements and forced to use whatever tactic they could come up with to save themselves. But large space battles were avoided because of political decisions of the Federation council.
The part where the Cardassians switched sides and form up on the Defiant's aft was amazing!
I always felt that the The USS Defiant was as close as the Federation got to having their own Millennium Falcon as it's unbelievably maneuverable compared with Galaxy class starships and other larger classes
The thing is there is no weight in space. So any galaxy class ship should be able to maneuver just like the defiant. That's what made the Enterprise D Borg Run so awesome in Picard S3. They remembered that.
"With men like you in our side. How can we fail?" Steps over the dead Cardassians
that was shot moments earlier.
5:02 "The timing couldn't be better!"
Yes, it could Sisko. They could have switched sides at the START of the battle! Thousands of Federation, Klingon and Romulan people would still be alive.
Damar is hands down one of if the best character to come out of DS9, he never should have been killed off.
0:53 they used the famous Nolan-shot before Christopher Nolan invented it
heh ...."!bonnet" view
Martok really loves that 2309 vintage. He's mentioned it before. I think it was in the ""You Are Cordially Invited" episode when Worf says there is a barrel of bloodwine for the "bachelor party," and Martok says (while walking off-screen with them), "The vintage? 2309, I hope."
For a Klingon he has a refined palette, lol.
“Final words are not permitted.” “Or what, you’ll shoot me?”
2:08
Always cracks me up! lol
For some reason it was funny to see that again.
Deep Space Nine to this day has been the only star trek I have watched 100% of the way through, if not more than 20x at this point rewatching it, and its because of character depth like this, I spent a lot of time disliking a handful of characters like Damar, Nog and Rom to name a few, characters I eventually through the shows deep story telling abilities, came to love in the end, its a damn shame people constantly bicker over if Picard or Kirk is better, when clearly the choice is right in front of our faces, it was always SIsko in my opinion, then again they do all have their own merits as Captains.
Needs a reboot like what they did with picard
@@doords it would be great to see. Unfortunately Avery Brooks is having a lot of health issues (maybe it doesn't matter as much for Sisko to be there considering how it all ended). But most of the other cast members have said they are game to return. Maybe a DS9: The Next Generation would be a fitting show?
@@kenjisparks good idea
"Ready weapons." In a hostage situation, the weapons should have already been ready.
Is there a novel that depicts this battle from the Cardassian perspective? It would be awesome to see how they heard about the Founder's order to kill their people and their decision to switch sides.
There is an in-depth Garak novel written by the actor who portrayed him, I'd try looking in there
The order to exterminate the Cardassian civilians was after the military defected en masse.
it was over the TV when the lady founder made the speech
@@TheRealCaptainJamesTKirk The Dominion destroyed Lakarian City, killing all 2 million inhabitants, as a punishment for the rebels causing a planet wide blackout. It was the news of this atrocity that made the Cardassian fleet switch sides.
Yes. Tales of the Dominion War. Buy it. It's awesome.
I liked Damar:
Yeah I did too.
LET US RAISE a FINE glass of kanar in his honor.
but he has killed Ziyal.
@@TheLacix In a moment of desperation he did the only thing he thought he could do to save his people. Even if it's not something anyone can condone, it's something even a noble person would be tempted to do.
He won the war.
@Patton333;Warbirds are some"BEASTS"!! And also,I loved the Klingon Negh-var battleship"the Regent"was inside in"The Emperors new cloak"episode!!
You can always count on the Cardassians to betray their partners at just the right moment.
The Cardassian partners were leveling an entire Cardassian city... like the military wasn't going to find out.
The Cardassian switched sites and as a reward the Defiant destroys on of their ships at 5:19. Well done Nog. I guess no Umax for you this night.
That was a Jemadar ship that destroyed it 👍
Actually, that camera view was from a Jem'Hadar ship, not from the Defiant.
Plus, notice those blue phasers. The Defiant doesn't fire those.
If only they had more funds for this.
Yes Star Trek isn’t a war show.
But like. Watching a wing of Galaxies backed up with Vorchas and Warbirds fight off a few Cardies would have been stunning.
When _TNG_ was being produced, the number of _Galaxy-class_ ships was about a dozen-or-so, including the prototype _Galaxy_ herself and the _Enterprise-D._ (If I remember correctly, all of them are named in the non-canon _Star Trek The Next Generation: Technical Manual._ )
It was _DS9_ that made the number of _Galaxy-class_ ships skyrocket to uncountable numbers due to budget constraints and reuse of footage; they didn't have the money or time to develop many more 24th Century-looking ships that didn't look like blatant kitbashes (I'm looking at you, _Jaeger-class_ ...)
The original run of Galaxy classes were long range explorers, and the need for a great many of them wasn’t considered necessary until they needed to start replacing Excelcior class ships, the Dominon war versions were upgraded till they were prettty much battleshipsand the federation churned out as many of them as possible
and they introduced CGI into the series so they could just copy and paste to show these big fleets. The Klingon attack on DS9 was the final use of just models in Star Trek.
Ya right.... The Entire show(s) is based on each races Military Capabilities. But it is NOT about war. That is what is called propaganda. No matter if it is about Preventing, Starting and/or Winning. It is about War. Think on this.
1st appearance Klingons = War
1st appearance Romulans = War
1st appearance Ferengi = War
1st appearance Borg = War
1st appearance Cardassians = War
Seriously the ONLY major race the Federation has not had war with is the Vulcans.
Now granted the Writers and Creators try and push this Peace BS, but it is just that BS.
@@johnlavery3433 The thought occurred to me that the Galaxy-class starship wouldn't be my first choice of ship of which to send a fleet for a battle... it's just so big that it's an easy target to hit/ram, and doesn't maneuver as well as a smaller ship. Granted a Galaxy has pretty good firepower, deflector shields, and is pretty fast. A really good exploration / diplomacy ship, just not as good a battleship.
As TNG-type ships go, I prefer the Sovereign-class Enterprise E to the Galaxy-class D.
Goosebumps when the Cardassians came in fucking shit up
Weyoun: “Execute order 66”
Jem’Hadar: 3:30
LOOK CLOSELY
You will never see such a Master Piece Star Trek Serie again !
I would love to see a future trek series that explored the new cardassian civilisation
DS9 really found its stride with the VFX. Still holds up excellent.
Meanwhile the Enterprise was dealing with rising hormones and facial blemishes.
"With lettuce"... i absolutely loved DS9 and I seriously hope they keep the lore to Picard which they hinted at in the teaser for the new season of Picard. DS9 really did include all the species and politics so gracefully that it really does apply to this current world events.
4:49 I'm assuming this is about the time long range communication came back online and Cardassians found out about what the Dominion had done to their homeworld. Bad move fellas!
Good, now the Cardassians can see what _true_ cruelty looks like and why the Bajorans hate them so much.
4:32, to be more precise. Notice the Cardassian ship suddenly firing on the other Dominion ships chasing the Defiant.
I think that timing is off. They'd already switched sides before long-range communications were restored, possibly it was due to the Dominion wiping out Lakarian City on Cardassia Prime, although apparently that happened at least a couple days earlier.
Can we just have a moment of respect for Nog? He can pilot a ship like no other, and had his father Rom's Engineering and computer skills. If this is what the Ferengi can become, then they will be a HUGE asset to the Federation. Similar to the Muuns of Muunlist in the Star Wars Universe. Ferenginar is one of the wealthiest planets and with its massive connections and networks for supplies, it can be the "Banking Clan" for Federation ventures throughout the galaxy.
But, as Rom and Nog have proven, the Ferengi do have very advanced scientific minds. Although they don't like to advertise as their (nerds) are considered against the Rules of Acquisition. Basically "You don't make it, you buy the one that makes it". But there are Ferengi scientists (The one who created metaphasic shielding,) Dr. Reyga. And they also are valuable to the Borg as facilitators as they are immune to telepathic abilities, and have incredible hearing.
Worf - klingon's "kingmaker"! In the TNG hi made Gouron the Сhancellor, in the DS9 hi changed him to Martok... Worf is hand of Destiny...
5:03 - I love how Sisko is so casual about it :D
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Well, you know, this is pretty much exactly what Gene Roddenberry envisioned when he conceived of Star Trek back in the day.....
I remember seeing DS9’s last few episodes when they first aired. Coincidentally, I was studying WWII in high school history class at the time. I called the battle for Cardassia “D-Day In Space” or “Normandy In Space”. The parallels are inescapable - the massive invasion fleets, the last stand of a fortified enemy, and a nation that had fallen to a collaborationist government finally being liberated by citizens fighting in bombed-out city streets. The Founder’s order to “eradicate the Cardassians” even echoes Hitler’s infamous query to his generals in France: “Is Paris burning?!”
I also found it interesting that the DS9 writers gave the Cardassians, who had brutally occupied Bajor like the Nazis did to Europe, and drove Federation citizens in their border space to form a latter-day “Marquis” underground resistance, a bitter taste of what it felt like to be persecuted outlaws in their own homeland. I’m sure many people in that production room had a keen grasp of history, and knew that at least some of the fans would appreciate those historical themes.
I don't know what they were thinking taking Maranda-class and Excelsior-class starships into battle against the Dominion.
I think I saw Kelsey Grammer on a Soyuz Class
Well they were using every possible ships for their survival
TheLocutus70 It’s funny, after Starfleet adapted their shields to resist Dominion weapons, their ships were actually better one for one than the Dominion ships. Excusing their massive battle ships ect... the Excelsior and Miranda class ships made solid cruisers and Frigates.
The Dominion was feared due the massive amount of solid ships that can be rebuilt in seconds compared to the Federation Alliance ships. Plus the breeding of Jem’Hadar legions was relatively quick. All the while backed up by a rebuilt and improved Cardassian Union.
I'll agree on the Mirandas, but the USS Lakota demonstrated that it was possible to upgrade the Excelsior-class sufficiently to give even the USS Defiant some trouble.
All hands on deck
The scenes of the Dominion ripping into the Klingon ships is freaking brutal. Especially the internal scenes just before death. The Dominion fighting style in ship to ship combat was so different to anyone else.
Yeah because the klingons cant replace their ships so easely. A good idea to take a cheap vessel to destroy a rather high costly battle cruiser
@@schattenseele66 Unfortunately, for the same reason, they also didn't take shields into this scene, even though we've heard before that they're very resistant to Breen weapons.
DS9 did have somewhat of a slow start, but the show REALLY got good once the Dominion War kicked off.