ARE YOU USING THE WRONG SHAFTS IN ALL YOUR GOLF CLUBS!?
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- ARE YOU USING THE WRONG SHAFTS IN ALL YOUR GOLF CLUBS!? We all know that using the right golf shaft in your golf clubs is vitally important. But which shafts should you use in your irons? what driver shaft should you use? which is theist driver shaft to hit longer drives? should you use stiff shafts or regular shafts? what's the difference between stiff vs regular shafts? what about expensive exotic shafts? expensive golf shafts? expensive upgrade shafts? what is the best shafts for mid handicap golfers? is there such a thing in this video myself and Gary talk you guys through exactly what to look for when picking which shafts to use in your golf clubs... let's do it... and let's do it now!
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Guys I’m loving all these comments! Infact we are blown away by the number of people with questions! If we don’t answer you direct on here keep your eyes peeled as we’re gonna treat this comment section as a Q&A for another walking Wednesday next week 🤘🏼🎥⛳️
Cobra offers a "tour" length I think.
In 2019 Cobra offered a tour length which was a 1/2" shorter. It was considered a stock shaft, but had to be ordered from Cobra.
Can you please do a vid on lie angles,,, most fitting just go standard,, picked up a demo 2 flat looked better to the eye plus went straighter,, don't know why,, cheers Alan 🤔😊
Great vid,, I would be grateful if you could discuss lie angles,, when fitting pro just go standard,, but picked up demo club 2,flat,,juet looked so much better at address,, and got straighter ball flight,, don't no why,, cheers Alan 👋🤔
this is the most real video about golf on youtube as someone who works in golf thanks!!! I need everyone who walks into the shop to watch this
Hope you have a great season 🔥
Yes! We need a video on shaft length. Driver in particular! Let's do it, lets do it now!!!
We will! Ive got my saw ready 🤣
Yes would love too see a video on comparison of length, weight, torque, etc. of shafts from you or Gaz.
John Jacobs said "distance equals clubhead speed correctly applied"
I like the format of these videos. Like a walking podcast. I wish I had some friends as obsessed with golf gear as me I could have these chats with.
Well that sorts it. That's every video on your channel from start to finish, done and dusted. Thanks for all the information and entertainment during these lockdowns mate. Keep em coming!
Wow 🤯 This needs a shout out next weds 💯
Have to say at my driver fitting, my fitter put me in a 44.5 inch shaft for more consistent dispersion, and I still manage drives 270 to 275
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Absolutely right on point lads!!!! I have used a 44" Driver, 42" 3W, and I have my 3H&4H cut down to 1/2" longer than standard 3iron and 4iron lengths. I have never seen a change in distance, but, my control has went from a "push-draw" to being able to play a slight-cut, and a slight-draw whenever I please (obviously I have mis-hits as we all do). Great topic and info guys, take care.
You guys are awesome with this video. Right up my alley in tech and specs. Great idea James.
I agree 100%. Most amateurs are using to long of a driver shaft I feel. I bought a new G400 driver couple years ago had it cut down to 43 1/2 length and it was the best decision I did. I’m hitting way more fairways and has helped my score drop. Great video ⛳️🏌️♂️
👏🏻👏🏻 Just dont tell your playing partners 😉🤣
One of the best explanations about shafts that I’ve ever seen. I didn’t realize that Tiger’s driver shaft was that short. Wow! My last two drivers have been 44” and my ball striking has improved a lot. I haven’t lost any length because I’m hitting the center of the face more consistently. Thanks for a great video!
Yeah, incredible that isnt it. I play 44, so 42.5 must feel very short 👀
This is a great conversation as it can be overwhelming for most people with the number of options available now. Weight in combination with stiffness seems to be important. I would love to see a test for iron shafts comparing an KBS Tour V X-Flex with a Dynamic Gold S300 as an example. I bet the S300 is as stiff as the X-Flex.
Good format, James - enjoyed the debate about shafts, so much I don't know!
That is tgs best shaft description I have heard , First time I have understood it ,
looking forward to seeing more on Gary's channel
🔥🔥 Cheers SF
Never really thought to much into Shafts, so this was a very interesting watch for sure!
Great video, thanks for the guidance. Would love to see some of the potential videos you discussed as a result of this.
Does shaft flex affect slice/fade?
Totally agree in shaft lengths for drivers! I've always seem to hit my 3 wood as far and definitely straighter then the matching driver, that's shaft's about an inch longer in length! So many times, I've been tempted to get the hacksaw out and whack off that extra inch! Wish I could do so without ruining the grip, I'd have done exactly that, long ago!
Great video!!! As a fitter, I can attest to the fact that drivers and fairways are simply too long nowadays for the average to novice golfer to control. Companies are so tied up in generating club head speed and ball speed that they are kinda forgetting that most of the people buying these off the rack are shooting high 80s and up and most will never come close to swinging 105mph.
I got fitted last year for a new driver. Cobra Speedzone xtreme. 1 inch shorter and increased the head weight to stay original swing weight. First time I’ve actually felt confident with a driver . Much more consistent.
Sounds a well fitted club 🔥
I'm enjoying the 'Wednesday Walk', lots of food for thought from informed & mature conversation. Would be interesting to see the results if every guest on the channel went on a talk only stroll, over a long par 5.
You are 100% correct 45.75 inches is ridiculously long for a "standard length". Most specialized fitters say 45 suits the largest percentage of people. Getting a new driver this season and looking forward to trying shorter shafts to improve my strike consistency.
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I was in two minds about whether to watch a video about shafts but I'm glad I did. A huge amount of useful information here. Sometime ago I decided I wanted to try a heavier shaft, so my club pro gave me something to test. As soon as I picked it up I wondered if it was the right length because it felt so short. It turned out to be 1 inch shorter than I was used to (but still 44.5 in). I ended up buying it because it felt so much better, gave me straighter results and was longer!
Another awesome video filled with great info!! Is there any relation between your driver shaft weight/length/stiffness/etc and your other woods or hybrids shafts?
Awesome, awesome video James. Love the tech talk regarding shafts. I grapple with a similar debate on the upcharge for exotic shafts. From my experience, I was fitted to a $400 LAPG shaft for my SIM and it was a spin generating disaster from someone who swings the driver 115-117mph and smashes at 1.48/1.49. I went back to an Adila Rogue for a quarter of the price and have produced monumentally better results.
I have gone from a standard shaft length to a shaft that is from butt to tip 43.75" which when the head is attached sits at 45" and the control I have gained of the tee has improved dramatically without out and loss to club head speed
Love Gaz's chanel, very raw so very honest
Thanks bud
Thanks for the great video James. I'm planning a driver fitting later this season, and have been going down the rabbit hole on "what's more important...clubhead or shaft?" This video echoes a lot of what I've found...i.e. shafts don't make that big a difference for a 13 handicapper like me. Thanks for the insight, and love the channel!
Great timing...I'm thinking of going a bit heavier in my Driver shaft as I am all over the place (can't feel the clubhead). Bought something off old fitting specs and just thought oh lighter I'll be faster. not working out...currently have a 65g but thinking of going up to probably 75. Will try and test if possible. Keep up the good work gents, you'll be back out there soon I hope!
Total agree about shafts too long for the driver. I bought the Callaway BB fusion with the 44 1/2 " shaft when it came out and love it.
I find the same frustration with the 5 and 7 woods now. The 3 woods all seem to stay at 43" but the 5 wood used to be 42 and is now 42 1/2 and the 7 woods were 41" and are now 42 and sometimes as with callaways new ones 42 1/4". It was a lot easier to control and get a good strike with the shorter shafts!
Great points! We'll discuss this 👍🏻
Could be a lot of shaft cut downs coming up 🤣
@@garymartingolf That would be interesting to see one cut down live...and the adjustments you need to make the swing weight back to the same...
if that is what you prefer.
I talked to the guy at True Temper and he said you need to add approx 3 grams of lead tape to the head for every 1/2 inch cut off to make the swing weight the same. If you have a swing weight machine it would be cool to see that in action as well and maybe verify how much weight is needed to make the same swing weight for the club !
Interesting video I'm going for retro fit for new shafts not so much on price but getting right feel and shaft profile is my aim
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Really interesting, for anyone (like me) relatively new shafts are a minefield with just so many of them! Well done guys good video
Id just advice finding the shaft specs of any club you look at in the future. If you buy a club just based on shaft flex, it might not be right 🤙🏼
I got fitted for the first time last year for a putter, and ended up with 33inch due to how I putted, great video guys 👍🏼
Been it feels under control
Great video, I'm not very consistent of the tee, might try a shorter shaft in my Sim. Question, as it's adjustable, will a different shaft still have the correct fitting at the tip?
Great video lads, looking forward to seeing the same next week 👍
I don’t agree that golfers have no need for using exotic shafts. I do however feel strongly that an exotic shaft won’t make a poor delivery magically better
Amen. Ventus Blue completely changed the performance of my driver. Its tip stability made my impact pattern much smaller. More centered contact = BOOM.
For a number of years I could hit a three wood as far as my driver. This was purely because I could swing faster and know that I would hit the ball. With an all out swing my timing was rubbish with the driver and sometimes have air shots.
I had a period of not carrying a driver but carry a three and five wood.
Definitely going to try a shorter shaft in my next driver.
Brilliant video.
So many golfers could relate to you bernard. Even just 1" shorter can make a huge difference 🔥
Technical question. The shaft length is measured from the end of the grip to???
Hozel, top of neck or the centre of the face?
Loved this video James and Gary, I didn't realise the importance of shafts, I will be having a fitting and as I am older maybe a shorter senior shaft would suit, I wonder what the fitting will result in, and I will be looking forward to your video Gary with more on depth content on shafts, I am thinking of one length cobra irons and shorter driver length
Great discussion guys!
Good point about shaft length and somewhat is overlooked in reviews.Driver shafts in the 80's were 42 inches no surprise they are less controlled at 46 inches in a Cobra.
I bought a Callaway Fusion with the shorter shaft about a day before the ranges/courses closed!! Cannot wait to get back out there and see if it improves my consistency.
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Loved the length - strike - clubhead speed - ball sped explanation. I’ve always felt I could play better with shorter clubs.
Hope you get chance to try some 🔥🤙🏼
@@garymartingolf I’ll just cut down an old driver I have and re-grip it to try. Discovered by accident that I’m quite good at re-gripping.
Years ago I was using a standard putter then I picked up a junior putter by accident. It was so much easier to use . Now I have a oddessey now with a 30 inch shaft. Its awesome
I have the TaylorMade Mini Driver in my bag. I love it! Easier to hit straight, and I don’t notice any drop in distance. I’m very much an average golfer. My club head speed is just under 100.
I changed from stiff to regular in my driver 3 years ago and the results were amazing. More fairways and more distance. This year I went with regular R55 Kubuki shafts in my new Tour Edge Hot Launch C522 irons. So far I've only been able to hit balls off the back deck into the woods in me back yard. Really impressed with the feel and the flight. Won't know for sure until the frigging snow melts. Driver is cut down 1 inch and irons are half an inch longer than standard.
Went to ping at Gainsborough for a g15 fitting and as I'm only 5 ft 6 in I asked for a inch off .The pro told me it makes no difference on a driver but did it anyway! Now just tape one up take it to practice ground .job done
Great video again James! Shaft length is hugely key I agree - both my driver and 3 wood were fitted and are both shorter than standard (44 driver, 42.25 3wood). This suits be perfectly being only 5ft5!
I’ve had a laugh with a 46.5 inch and it was so wayward it was crazy!
I’d rather sacrifice 5-10 yards for accuracy!
Great topic discussion.
I’ve been playing golf for 25 years and in the last 2 years I’ve gone to a 1 inch shorter driver which has improved my strike no end! Shaft length def something worth looking at!
Looking forward to my fitting in may at tour X my clubs are off the shelf so will be interesting to see what I end up with
They do great fits 💯🔥
I usually grip down on my driver for control. Will be getting fitted this year for my new Cobra Speedzone.
Shafts is such a great conversation, its so common for people to be "forced" into poor fits.
As a +1 hcap, I play lightweight stiff shafts in all my irons, and a regular flex in my driver, all driven by the feel which helps my delivery. If I go to any fittings, its so common for the fitters to try and fit me into standard weighted shafts (it never works for me in the long term).
There has been a massive upgrade in the quality shaft offerings from the OEM’s this season. For example Taylor Made SIM 2 with the Tensei Raw and the Project X RDX and a Cobra Rad Speed with the New Fujikura Motore Shafts. Excellent shaft offerings available when you purchase from retail and club pro outlets so there is less of a desire to upgrade to an aftermarket shaft.
I agree,always good to check the elements of each shaft to see if theres one to suit your game 💯🔥
Great video, I just got a Cobra Rad XB with it an inch shorter and gained distance and accuracy.
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Awesome video on golf shafts, I would love to see you guy’s go and see Jason at golf principles in Basingstoke you will be in your element with him
Bought a shorter driver shaft just before lockdown. I’m really just looking for more confidence & consistent strike. It I lose 5-10 yards it beats being in the trees!
Switched to 85g iron shafts after having 130g s300. The change has been phenomenal. Nice and light to swing
.....so you can actually swing it now! Night and day.
I struggle with light iron shafts, having worked on the tools for over 40 years I suppose I have relatively strong forearms, as you rightly said hitting to centre of a club and especially the driver is key. Amateurs like myself will use far more of the club face compared to yourself so shorter may equal similar distance but straighter 👍
Was totally surprised when I got my clubs fitted that the shafts were not what I expected. Also the tilt on the irons that I needed.
Watched this video and prompted me to check swing speed into a net with a launch monitor. Turned out i was barely slower with my 2 hybrid (which i use in place of a 3 wood) than my driver (97mph average vs 99 mph average). I play a Tensei Blue AV 75 Stiff in the driver. Had an old driver from my beginner days with a lighter 55g regular hanging around so popped that shaft in my gamer, swing speed jumped to 110mph straight away (control was another matter). Once lockdown is over i am definitely off for a new fit on the driver shaft as if i can get that speed with a shaft i can control that could be a game changer! Cheers guys.
Yes yes yes shorter is more accurate with the driver (cobra speedzone) exactly ! We try like hell to be longer , but is it worth the trouble???
Love Gaz insight. Am now subscribed to his channel
Great video. I've always had trouble keeping drivers on the planet. The only reliable "driver" I ever owned was an old George Nicol persimmon-headed ladies' driver (had Henry Cotton's "signature" on the baseplate), which I found in a bargain barrel and reshafted with a Dynalite "S" 42 inch shaft. I hit it really well, and long, nearly all the time with a baby draw; in fact I used it as a fairway wood as well as a driver. Eventually, it gave up the ghost. The insert kept coming out and eventually it cracked just behind the insert. I wish I could find something else like it.
CG of the head combined with loft at impact affects spin more than any shaft can as far as I’m aware.
The shafts directly effects loft at impact
@@coletegano7705 100%
Hi james , i agree and disagree with the exotic shaft comment. The reason is alot of people buy them as a unnecessary upgrade like you mention but in my case and a good few of my friends also we have very high swing speed and the TX flex version are all usually only in the aftermarket selection, but its only a very small percentage that have no choice to buy the aftermarket shafts for correct flex .
Good point 💯
You guys are on the money here chaps. I'm using G410, waiting on my G425 coming. 1/2" longer. I've gone stiff now, rather than my current regular and 10gm heavier. Should give me more speed and distance. Again should because I've done it myself and not got fit. Also the stiff should stop the snap hook and turning over and straighten me up.
PXG standard length shaft is 45 inch ordered mine 0.5 inch shorter. Previously cut down shafts myself and added swing weight to the head.
Very informative. I like how you include the average golfer. Most golfers on TH-cam hit drives 300+. And I know a few 3 handicaps who never drive the ball over 260, but boy can they hit fairways, and know distance console.
Oops thats Distance Control lol
Bravo!! awesome audio!! content spot on!!
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I struggled with spin (not enough) with driver so went for a higher lofted driver head. What affects spin rates more, loft or shaft?
Is there a standard guide for length of driver shaft. Ie: like ping use. Example A 5' 6" man should have a xxx' length shorter driver ?
Hey Carl,
No, this is my argument, driver length isnt discussed much, because 90% of ammeture golfers are looking to buy a new driver in order to gain distance.
Then you have your worlds best players using shorter drivers.
Doesnt make sence to me 😵
hi James, put my 3 wood shaft in my driver just to try it out. dispersion improved, maybe lost couple of yards. had 1 inch taken off driver shaft, still longer than 3 wood, distance increase through better contact and good dispersion. next fitting will definitely try shorter shaft.
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Good point. Once ranges open I'm going to try swapping 3 wood and driver shafts
YES AMAZING thank you
I use a Taylormade 14° mini driver as my 3 wood. Best 3 wood I have ever used. Finding the best shaft is so difficult, even with fitting. At least with most drivers you can easily swap shafts to try different ones out.
Nice break down guys
I am almost 72 and use a stock senior shaft in my Ping G driver going to set it on 11.5 loft to start . I choke down about an inch and get a better control . On a good drive I can carry it around 200 yards some times .
James, great touch base on the shaft topic... Guys, hit up TXG for shaft talk, to delve into this topic further!
It’s the kick point , I think , been playing Project X Hazrdous stiff and XX , Have just received my Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal regular Flex with Maniya Recoil Graphite 95 gram shaft , Love Them!!!
Oh yea James gonna be 64 next month !
Great video, I research the sh*t out of the tech of golf, sometimes annoy my friends lol. But, they are actually starting to listen to me. I know the kick point stuff, the flex stuff, and know a little about the torque. I have a TS2 with a 45 or 50g reg flex, and like 7.? Torque. What does the higher torque actually do for the swing, close the face easier/ quicker? I have a ball speed on a good strike about 148, I’ve hit 270-280 yard (total) drives. But they don’t really get up in the air. Maybe carry 220-230 at best, then run forever.
The torque of a shaft is actually the "twisting resistance" of a shaft during the swing... It can affect how a shaft feels in terms of harshness as well, high torque like 7° will mean it'll feel quite smooth where as a torque of say 2.8° like the big boys play will feel harsher... It all depends what you want from a shaft, torque will generally be lower for faster swingers as it resists twisting better(clubface kept squarer)... I swing around 105mph and like a shaft generally 3° torque, also so many other factors involved as well....
@@Harryjones05 not sure what I swing, but ball speed average around 140-145. Don’t know smash though to do the calculation, if I had to guess I would say 95 mph, just calculated a couple smash factor numbers....maybe 100 mph, which at 50 years old don’t think it’s too bad
James you and Gaz should do a video call with Ian And Matt at TXG. Rick S and Peter F have had conversations with them that were well received. Ian would probably love to have a chat with you. Even your buddy big Al has his ch”AL”lenges with Matt.
Great video!
Excellent tips, I am thinking of a new driver shaft and was thinking stiff flex but now I might try a heavier regular flex as I get like 3300 - 3500rpm back spin and lose distance, or better yet I should just go for a fitting lol
Youre thinking on the right lines here bud.
Reg, high kick 70g.. Rather than a standard stiff mid kick 60g
Thanks for the advice, I think I may give that a try, you guys are great!!!
Good video guys!
For me,. It's all about profile. I have a fast tempo and steeper angle of attack. Once I learned that a mid kick matched my style, all the other parameters were easy to figure out.
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On shaft upcharges surely spending more money on something will encourage you to practise more??
I game standard length ironically after a fitting, have gamed longer shafts in the past (extra ½ inch longer) and only lost control so went back to something slightly shorter than the fitting suggested
The U-turn on your dads form was comedy gold
Hey if you buy a driver with a standard shaft and it maybe not suited for you can you just grip down on the shaft or dose that create more problems
Great vlog lads, when you say the driver shaft length, is it with the head on or the head off, that would be a great help 👍🏌️♂️
What advice would you give to a beginner golfer whose just getting into the game in regards to a shaft flex in both driver and irons?
When you shorten a shaft you completely change the dynamics of the shaft. Take that into consideration. When I got fitted for my driver I was asked about my driver shaft length. I lost about 15 yards and trajectory was low, but it went straighter. After my fitting I got the same shaft with a weaker flex and a lower flex point to regain my height and distance.
Don't just cut a shaft, get fitted for the shorter shaft.
I only found out this week that the PXG drivers come with a shorter shaft as standard, it is around an inch shorter than my standard length taylormade. i wonder if the one Gaz ordered is the same?
The Original One has been my "go to" club this past year thanks to your review, James. My wife tried it this past week on longer par-3's and now she wants one. Hello EBAY. TM needs to get that club back on the market, imo. I use it at least 6 times every round at my home course.
I’m honestly struggling to find them on eBay
@@maxphilpott9677 They're there but in limited selections and, in my opinion, somewhat overpriced.
Yeah I play a shorter driver thinks it’s 44.5” and I’m so much more consistent with it. Just got a SIM 2 but the length of that is 45.75” so gonna have to shorten the ventus black shaft. Not sure if it’s best to tip it a little or just cut it off the grip end. I also found in previous fittings that the weight of the shaft was more important than the stated flex.
If youre taking 1.25" off, youd be okay from the butt, unless of course, you'd like it to play abit firmer
In my driver,fairway and my 17&20 degree hybrids,I’ve got standard titleist length and it’s going great for me(in fairness I’ve been fitted for kbs shafts in all),in my irons and wedges I’m 2 degree upright and 1 inch over standard(fitted for kbs $-taper 120) and my putter doesn’t have a stock shaft,I’ve got the stability tour shaft and it’s 35.5 inch and 1 degree flat
Callaway offered the Fusion in both 44.5 and 45.5. Cobra had their F9 and Speedzone in standard and the “Tour Length”. Titleist up until recently were 45 inches standard.
Yes, i remember that 👌🏼🔥
Some companies do target the shorter length shaft ( nunchuk is one for example)
110 gram at 43 inches
Thats great to hear. I guess thats because they aren't in the mainstream madness so they arent so focus on distance, but fitting.
@@garymartingolf I was fitted for a nunchuk shaft google it it is quite unusual
What effect dose the kick point of the shaft have on the ball flight? would this be something more golfers should be concerned about rather than the stiffness oft the shaft?
The middle of the face comment is so true. I swing 105mph but my miss hitting out of the toe kills distance! Might look into shortening the shaft after this!!
Maybe move back just a little bit from the ball
@@Mj-CWO4 thanks MJ I’ll try it
You hitting it on the toe? Getting hooks?
Then your reach is to short so probably it’s better to try to stand shorter on the ball or a longer shaft! So the ball impact moves more to middle of the clubface.
If your hit it on the heel. (Just like me) than you probably slice it. I need to stand more away from the ball or get a shorter shaft. That’s why I’m going to fit myself soon to find out.
@@jarl1989 I’ll give it a try Jarl thanks!!!
Cheers lads, how do I know if I launch my driver high, med or low? Also I think Ping custom driver is 45 but standard is 45.75 weird?
Ping 410 Max, regular shaft with stiff tip, one inch shorter, turned up to 12 deg. I've never driven the ball better. 65% of fairways.