PICKING DRIVER SHAFTS / Should You Use A Senior Flex Ultra Light
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2024
- In this first video on the new Elite Fit Golf channel, we test out two shafts on a 110 mph swing speed. One is a 75 gram X Stiff, and one is a 55 gram Senior Flex. Check out the results we got.
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This is an interesting video, seeing this young strong player swing a senior shaft and have it out preform his X stiff shaft is amazing. The video doesn't explain the physics but I get it. I recently switched from a 60g Regular shaft to a 50g senior or R2 shaft and gained 20 yards.What was even more even better I have been hitting went from 79% FIR to 84% FIR over the last 10 rounds. My average spin rate went from over 4000rpm's to 2900rpm"s
This kind of confirms a thing I just experienced. I have a TM M2 #3hybrid with a regular SS shaft that I have absolutely fought with for 2 seasons. Warming up for a round with my wife the other day, I took her 3h with a shorter, much more flexible shaft and hit absolute bombs with it, and my pull and slice issues went away. I'm 5'7", so the length was ok. I'm in my 50s , so I've lost some of the strength and flexibly of my youth, and I'm really starting to think that going shorter, lighter, more flexible across my whole set might be the thing. (My set was not fitted for me, just off the rack).
Congratulations on the new channel, best of luck with it, and I'll keep watching both channels.
Congrats on the new channel. Look forward to your future content. You do a great job of demystifying the issues related to fitting and club builds. All the best.
Seems to break all the norms! Great test and way to start the New Channel!
Always a pleasure to watch your videos and happy birthday to your new channel.🥳
Excellent start on the new channel!
I was fitted in 2002 for blades with +1/2". Last year I was given some Bridgestone blades with a superlight shaft and -1/2" which I love. Just amazing
Hi AJ, love this video and I'll be using it to show my golf buddies who don't believe me when I show up with my Cleveland Launcher LX with a ladies shaft and outdrive them. I'm a big Tom Wishon fan and have shortened the shaft because of my WTF measurement.
I am literally trying this now already so perfect timing! I have an Evenflow Riptide CB 40 5.0 Flex on the way to pair with my G430 SFT 10.5 Driver head. And now I want to order this shaft as well. 😂😂 Awesome stuff!
AJ! Congratulations on ur new channel!! I wish u success!!
Great videos. Very informative. Keep up the good work
Very cool video - thanks for the comparison!!
Really cool. Been watching your videos with MSG on this topic. I play a cobra LTDX with the blue RDX x flex because the stiff seemed to be way less accurate. Gonna have to find a motore f3 r2 for it. I use that shaft in stiff flex in my Radspeed 3w and it feels very stable. Makes sense this would work. Best of luck on the channel.
Great comparison and great video. This is explain very well the raison why every golfer should be fitted and not buy the the rack. Good luck in you new TH-cam channel.
Congrats AJ
You have convinced me. This is another good example with a pretty strong player. I have tried a couple shafts, 50g stiff Evenflow Riptide which you recommended in another video with Mr Shortgame, and also a 60g 5.5 hzrdus im10 and had really good results on course. They allow you to swing easier. I have had a round where I hit every fairway and another with my lowest score ever. Just ordered a new callaway with 50g 5.5 hzrdus silver on Black Friday sale. My gut keeps telling me I should have gotten stiff but this video helps reaffirm 😂
Solid start mate 👍🏻
Really interesting test for your first video on this channel! Thats a lovely swing. I can only dream of such a smooth swing resulting in such fast ball speed.
He is good. Fairway finding machine!
AJ, first congrats on the new channel. Second, this shaft experiment is great. I did this with a Ventus blue. Went from 7x to 5A tipped 1 inch and butt cut to length. Did my experiment the middle of last year and will never turn back. i did the same with my 7 wood and 5 hybrid with great success.
Which 5A shaft did you go with ?
@@southpawjohnny5969 5A Ventus Blue. I honestly never tried a different shaft in it. It came with that shaft so I kept it in just modified it
Good luck EFG! 💪👍👍
Congrats on the new channel. Seems you are advancing quickly.
Good stuff, if I had been asked which shaft would keep a ball on the fairway I would have said Stiff.
Congrats AJ on the new channel. cant wait to see more vids. You said that results may differ depending on your swing (jerky). Why not have a higher Hdcp golfer hit those, i think that would be more relevant to most golfers.
I always like using better golfers on these tests because they can repeat the same swing over and over and thereby give us cleaner data. Using a less consistent golfer would require a much larger sample size I think to get good data. Not saying I won't in the future, but that's my reason why I don't use my own swing! 😅
WTH? This is what other experts won't let you in on. Thanks for sharing this!
Would love to see you find a shaft similar to the Bgt Brava. Got to hit it in the studio and had great results (much better than autoflex which I alternated between snap hooks and baby fade bombs) 10 straight 5 to 8 yard pulls but it's also really expensive
Great video 👏🏾👏🏾
Lol - I moved from my Atmos blue 65 X flex to Atmos Red R2 55gm - I noticed my tempo improved, able to easily draw and got extra distance but had to change my Titleist surefit hosel notch to fade to counter the mis-hit extra pull left.
Could you do the same comparison with a senior golfer swinging at 80-90 mph?
I agree….this is nice but doesn’t represent the people that would be using it.
Im 95mph swing and the heavier shaft is harder work, easier to slice and flight/carry is less. I found 50g too hard to control, ball strikes all over the face with some balloons. I do use the lighter shaft in my fairway wood though as I want higher flight and shorter stopping distance.
For driver a 60g stiff flex works best for my swing speed so for a 80mph swing I suggest you compare reg flex 60g to 45/50g A/L.
Go to a fitting day with launch monitor, you will see all the data...
Just got my Motore X in the mail, matched the exact specs in this video. Extremely whippy, easy to control the shape of the shot tho. I can tell there is a ton of energy being transferred to the ball because even the mishits were penetrating. I'll admit with range balls they overspin and with the balls what have almost no dimples the will apex and nosedive hard. I've got to see what this does with my gamer ball. Im pretty sure it's a winner.
His transition got way better when the Motore shaft was in play. That is why I don't pay attention to flex, just what bend profile makes a swing transition properly and get the best strike.
Thanks for the info
My old boss was a PGA professional class A member, long drive pro, and trick shot artist. He had a "club" he used for his trick shot shows. It was a garden hose with a driver head attached to the end of it. He could still hit that over 300 yards. Sometimes the softer shafts make you slow down a touch and be smoother.
Are you sure about the "over 300 yards" thing? with severe limitations in backswing and initial acceleration? How far does he hit it with a graphite shaft? 500 yards? is he thor or captain america? sounds like the stuff that comes out of the back of a male bovine
@asdfjkl981 💯 sure on the 300 yard part. He was the NCAA long drive champion twice. He was a 3 time All American along side Lee Janzen and Rocco Mediate. He hosted long drive competitions on the LDA Tour in the early 2000's and was a World Trick Shot Champion. You may gladly look him up. Ben Witter is his name. He was on his way to the PGA Tour right after college when he was diagnosed with cancer. I've personally seen the garden hose club hit balls over 300. It's all about creating centrifugal force properly. I've hit the exact same club and it's generally not hard to hit. I couldn't hit it that far, but I could still move it out there. I've seen him hit drives well over 375 carry up hill. He trained World Long Drive champ Carl Wolter out of reading. Carl acknowledges him in his winning interview during his 2nd win. It's on TH-cam.
@@industrialpalletworx3548 again. backswing and initial acceleration. both lack. even if he is thanos and his golf glove has the infinity stones on it. it is just impossible. even if he hits it 400 yards uphill with a graphite shaft. rather show me the video of someone with a gardenhose shaft doing the 300 yards carry. than some guy mentioning him.
@asdfjkl981 if I had the video I would certainly upload it. I think your concepts are a bit confused. You need speed moving into impact. Trying to be fast at transition is no bueno. Whether you believe it or not, doesn't really matter to me. I know what I saw repeatedly. It is quite literally the exact same concept as cracking a whip. Did you know almost all long drivers today use senior or ladies flex shafts. Why? Cracking the whip concept. Stiffness relates more to accuracy than distance. Softer shafts can provide more distance.
Though it would take a bit of extra work as a club builder but, I would like to see what the results would look like if the swing weights were matched.
Same thing happened to me when I switched to the 55 Evenflow. ...
I am curious to see something like this tested in irons and/or woods
I play a Diamana Red board 50 Lite flex with a 90 + swing, for me it works.
Weird question. I wanted to test this, so, I’ve been buying old drivers with different shaft flexes and putting tips on them for my drivers. Is that bad? I’m having my golf store pull the old heads, since I don’t have a shaft puller. I’m getting a YS-6 XFlex next week. I have several stiff flexes. Bubble shafts don’t work.
does this work for irons too?
Looking forward to all the content on your new channel. What other shafts would be equivalent to the Motore X F3 5 R2 or is this one kind of unique for the price of $225? Would love to see a comparison of any similar shafts for someone with a swing speed of 88-92 mph.
Similar weight, launch and 2 flexes softer than what you "should" play will usually yield results like these assuming your swing can time up the more flexible shaft.
@@EFG2 Thank you!
for a genuine comparison should have a senior player doing the same exercise! would there be comparative results (ignore the distances attained ) !
Great video AJ! If I take a Grafalloy ProLauunch Blue 45 gm A flex (5.0 torque high launch, High Spin) and tip it 1 inch for a driver, what will that do to the characteristics of the shaft?
Really just makes it half a flex stiffer. Maybe fractional change in launch and spin but those changes will be small.
I’ve noticed some of the Long Drive guys have started using auto flex shafts too, is there a point where these non-autoflex shaft rules breakdown at the extreme end (eg. LD 48” 140mph+ swing speeds)? Would love to see a “budget” LD driver built and tested. Not least as, though I’m new to golf I’m inspired by your videos and fancy having a go building my own some day!
Would make an awesome addition to the collection to have Martin Borgmeier on your channel kranking it up!
Totally depends on the golfer. Some golfers won't be able to time it based on their swing tempo and the whole idea falls flat.
@@EFG2 👍 still, it would be cool to see @Martin Borgmeier or @Bry Roberts Long Drive rip a LD club you’ve built! 💪🏌️
I currently have the Project X Hzrdus smoke red RDX in 60g 6.0 Stiff 3.5 degree torque. I typically have issue with my launch and feel that I need to swing really hard to get the distance I want. I am wondering if you have any suggestions for a lighter and more flexible shaft.
If you are already in the PX brand, I might try the Evenflow CB I used in another video. Go with the 40 weight and the 4.0 or 5.0 flex.
Would love to see the graphics and data directly from GCQuad, especially because of dispersion. Great video!
First time out with the Quad so I didn't have all the data capturing set up. Once the studio is ready, will have more detailed stats.
@@EFG2 Awesome cannot wait! The only problem I have it finding one of these shafts already tipped with a Taylormade adapter. Do you have a video on how to retip a driver?
@@jacksoni349 The Motore X was not tipped. Just straight in.
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How does the Motore compare to a Tensei Blue AV 65 R flex? I have it in my Cobra SZ set at 12 deg.
The Motore we used is 10g lighter and one flex softer.
I’ve never understood the “stiffer flex is better,” theory. Idk how current hockey is but I know years ago you wanted a stick with more flex and all the guys who shot 100mph used really whippy twigs.
I thought the same would apply in golf.
Would a 45g Aldila NVS NXT shaft in A flex fit the bill for my experiment?
I currently game a 60g XStiff Project X RDX Green shaft, very curious about this 🤔.
Maybe with the lighter weight shaft I can crank the driver loft all the way down to 7deg and see what happens.
Fits my 10g and 2 flex class drop rule. Again this method won't work for everyone, just like the Autoflex shaft that I based all these videos on, won't work for everyone. But if you can get used to the feel and timing, I think that shaft should work and I like the idea of going full hulk on the loft. Let me know how it works if you go ahead with it.
Why is Keenans spin so high from both shafts? I always thought 2500 and below was ideal. Strike related or negative angle of attack? Nice video. Congrats on the new channel.
Probably catching them a bit low on the face for those higher spin numbers.
they were all high i think
Yup, crazy high spin from the X flex. How did he get fit into that gamer? Lol
Would you have the same results if the comparison was with someone already playing a senior shaft? Would the above results also apply to a 3 wood? Look forward to watching your new channel.
You mean going from senior to x flex or dropping down below senior into L flex?
@@EFG2 How does the Fujikura Motore perform compared with other ultra light senior shafts
@@randallpartin212 You should be able to get similar results if you have similar specs.
How did the SW change? I have 3 shafts at 120g total and the SW varies by 5. Currently using 45g R at 292g and D9. Hits great
I thought you were the mobile club guy ;)
i might be wrong here but the idea of a stiffer shaft isn’t to get the ball going further is it? It’s to narrow the dispersion isn’t it?
That's the goal but not always how it works out in practice. These 10 shots showed more consistency in numbers from the light flexible shaft.
They were in the fairway, but was it drawing more with the second shaft?
For Keenan, the dispersion was almost the same, might have been slightly better with the Motore X shaft.
Hi AJ based on your Autoflex video I’ve just put an Evenflow CB 50 40R shaft in my Epic Max LS so keen to give it a go. I’m currently gaming a Ping G400 LST with Hzrdus Yellow handcrafted 6.5 76gm. I’ll let you know how it goes.
Your best point was smooth vs quick/ jerky. Your subject has a smooth swing. He is young with good club head speed. He can do well with just about any shaft. Senior flex shafts are for seniors that have no other option because of their age related lack of club head speed.
Not true. World distance champion with a 150+ mph swing speed crushed a bunch using a 45g ladies shaft. Swing speed jumped to 153 mph and ball speed was around 213 mph right down the middle... with range balls 😂😂😂
@@gcoffey223 That’s a remarkable result in his case. However, if you asked him if that would be his shaft of choice if he were to go out and play a round of golf that meant something i’m sure he would opt for an extra stiff shaft not a ladies shaft.
@jherl8307
I think so. Another guy Micha hits well over 300 yards and has a 40g or 45g shaft in senior flex. Gives the club proper time to square uo
There are no absolutes, a senior flex shaft can obviously achieve better results. Everything depends on the player, their consistency and the speed of their swing. I really enjoyed this video.
Gratz on the first video!! Keenan's spin with his gamer is not in the optimal window for his speed. He should be between 2200-2500 not 3K
He is a little high but he is such a consistent driver and that is one of the reasons. Maybe a future video we try and tick that down a bit.
@@EFG2 do you feel shaping shots with that soft of a flex would be on demand or does it favor a draw?
If I play a 65 gram shaft should I go to the 55 or 45 ?
Either can work, you will in theory see a bigger difference from the bigger weight drop.
if that thing is right he's getting a lot of spin. he could probable hit it even further with less spin.
Can you use it in a 3wood head?
Yes, you can use the same ideas in a 3 wood. Might want a slightly heavier shaft, depending on what you currently play.
great video do you recommend a different ball for a slower swing speed?
Some people really like a low compression ball with lower speeds. Also some higher speed players like them especially when the weather gets cold.
how does total weight affect the performance of a golfclub? And whats the difference in performance of a 280 gram abd a 320 gram club with the same swingweight?
Depends on the golfer. Often a heavier shaft will reduce head "feel" for a golfer even if the swing weight is similar.
Thank you very much. So it's all about feel? Performance the same?@@EFG2
@@franzose1967 Will really depend on the golfer.
Hitting the fairway every time... That is something I never will do.
he's really spinning it if that thing is right.
After getting some fitting theory basics from Mobile, TXG and others………
With 95 SP, 15° Launch, +2.5° AOA, 2,800 Spin
Callaway Rogue SZ 9°, HZRDUS 65 gr, Stiff from local fitting
Prolaunch Blue 45 gr, Reg, left 48” + Callaway adapter
= no difference in distance or Dispersion
Cut Prolaunch down to 45”
= +5 yards, no dispersion difference, nice feel
Add Callaway green tour adapter, turn down to 7°.
=Boom + 15 yards total
Conclusion……..
Balls , shafts and clubs don’t study theory.
Still looks like it fits the rules. Lighter weight shaft give move speed. More flexible shaft improves timing with lighter shaft. Length gets tricky because longer club will always lead to less consistent strike pattern.
You also had good LA to start with so not surprising you can get more out of dropping a couple degrees of loft.
But again all of this is just generalization. Might work well with one golfer, and be a disaster for another. That's golf.
That no good for seniors his swing speed is different to seniors
His gamer is way too spinny for him.
1000 rpm to much
your vidoes are confusing. 1 video you say weight is more important than flex, another video you say weight has no impact on swing speed, and this one you say lighter weight is beneficial. SMDH Starting to think I cant take you seriously.
it will be a little more" scientific" if you actually find a real 70 YO senior to do the video, lol!
Consider checking out drivers from TMW - Titanium Metal Works. USA. Specialize in seniors super light drivers, e.g. light one total, head, shaft, grip as low as 247 gms. And they believe in longer shafts with these lighter weights, up to 48 in drivers (legal in private tournaments unless loca rules apply...they say). I had one, 47 in, finding center no problems really, worked well for me. Lighter also easier on my back problems. Try one out for us seniors okay? Should be very interesting. The shafts come in as low as 38 gms I think, R, S, A, lite etc. flex. Thanks for this review. Look forward to more in this format.