MAD SCIENTIST PROVES YOUR SHAFTS COULD BE FITTED TOTALLY WRONG! (CRAZY!)
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- MAD SCIENTIST PROVES YOUR SHAFTS COULD BE FITTED TOTALLY WRONG! (CRAZY!) Should you get fitted for your golf clubs? which shafts should you use? what shafts should I have in my irons? what's the difference between stiff shafts ands extra stiff shafts? who should use x-stiff shafts? what golf clubs should you get fitted for? all these questions are viable concerns when buying a new set of golf clubs. but what if even if you get the shafts fitted. you get your new golf clubs fitted. they are still fitted wrong? I'm not talking about a bad fitting, i'm talking about the shafts not being fitted into the heads correct. in this video Sinjin explains how the spine of the shaft plays a huge role in returning the club face square and ultimately hitting straighter golf shots... lets do it... and lets do it now!
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I have told my Wife when we get out of lockdown I'm going to play every day after work then all weekend. Yep, my spine has been tested.
Very interesting. Hope to see the consequences of having the spine in the wrong orientation. Side-by-side comparison.
It’s meaningless
He’s not just a mad scientist he’s also a samurai master too, absolutely blown away but the more you listen to him the more it because just common sense. Love it. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
hahaha
I’ve been chatting with Sinjin looking to stay with him for a couple of days next year for a full set fitting for my 50th. This video has me so excited about what I will learn see and feel when my set are made up for me when finished
WOW ! This guy is a great friend to have. Outstanding video, James. I am a techno-club junkie and can’t get enough of this. The only problem now is that I’d like to have all my clubs spine corrected. Looking forward to the swing weight section.
Best video this week, all the things to keep in mind for fitting with my local pro post Covid19. Cheers James
Very nice James! I’ve heard so many discussions about shaft orientation and if it really matters but this is a great explanation!
Very much looking forward to the rest of this series. Very interesting, James!!
Nice one James.... the geek in me is drooling over the stat's and analysis and I can add another excuse to my game when I start spraying balls ... well worth the watch
This makes so much sense when you see the shaft under strain which is where it will be through the shot process. Good video and information. I need to make one of these machines !!
Great video. I got that done to my irons when I built them. It's the most satisfying feeling hitting a club that has had that process done.
Yessss been waiting for part 2 of this. Can't wait to watch when I get home
About time James been waiting for ages for this...ill give you a 👍for it eventually being here haha
Another brilliant vid from Germany, I could honestly listen to him all day.
Cheers mate 👍🏼
Hi James, I'm a fan of all this technology, I've made my own spine finder and all my shafts are checked before I fit them in the heads, love the video and I'm looking forward to the next one
James, have watched your video of gaining ball speed with Sinjin McNab and the Fitting video, I’ve been looking for this video since and thought I had missed it. Living over 10 years in Africa 6 of which were in South Africa, I love Sinjin’s analogies especially the Samurai Sword and it makes absolute sense. The demonstration on the shaft tensioner showed how much difference it made where the seam of the shaft was located in relation to the head. I’m really looking forward to the next video in this series. Fantastic stuff.
Great, one more thing to think about during my back-swing.
Well!
This could go a long way in explaining why I always seem to have a favorite club in the bag and it’s never the same one from set to set!
Definitely going to have my next iron set spined.
Awesome video!
I know it’s an old video. But as a new golfer and a veteran fisherman. This info aligns. When making a new fishing rod spine is number1 priority. Obviously for casting baits and lures. Ive asked a few golfing buddies this exact question and they had no answer or a poor excuse. It’s a breath of fresh air knowing some fitters actually take spine into consideration. Cheers from California.
The fitter should ask the player. Do you want your clubs to work good? or look good? In regards to the label.
That's exactly how I fit my iron shafts all the shaft bands are everywhere. Fantastic video James
Madness how much goes into it and how minute details can have such an impact. Probs not much for non golfers like me but I bet its a massive difference to the tour pros.
Sinjin (hope I spelt that right) seems like a master at what he does and honestly I could listen to him talk about golf and clubs all day. For me you can't beat watching/listening to masters of their trade. Watching this I'm just awestruck.
And buuzzzzzzzzzzin that there's more to come from this fitting. Hopefully won't have to wait as long this time haha
When I was last fitted I had my shafts "PURE'ed" , there are a bunch of videos on it. It is a proprietary (club fitter has to license) dynamic analysis process that is supposed to identify the most stable orientation of the shaft dynamically and allow the club maker to then align this axis with the club face. With this process you get a 2 page report on each shaft and how much the performance of the club was stabilized/improved by going through the process. As an example the shaft in my 9 iron was identified as having to be installed into the club head 148.8 degrees rotated from logo up position thereby stabilizing its dynamic oscillation by 95.35%. The dynamic vertical deviation with the logo up was 8.623" (21.9cm) after identifying the most stable orientation of the shaft, the deviation was reduced to .401" (1.01cm).
I just spine and flo the irons I make for myself. The last set I made was with project x lz 6.5’s. Having the shaft labels off center annoyed me, so I just stripped it off with acetone.
Wow this is new to me. Really appreciate such information ... looking forward to the rest of your build.
That is really fascinating James. Makes a lot of sense. First up your irons could be 'twisting' as you hit the ball depending on there the crimp / strong point is - so some of them might naturally open and some might close. And the whole weight in the grip thing vs. the overall weigh.. wow. I think a proper golf fitting should accommodate all of that. THEN you get a set of clubs that are actually tailored to you AND properly tuned to perform consistently across all of the clubs.
Yes! My anticipated video drops on my birthday 😀 great video James!
Happy birthday mate!
James this is superb, thanks so much. What immediately sprang to mind when watching it was whether the strength of the strong point in the shaft is consistent within a batch of ‘identical’ shafts, or is the potential of the shaft very much variable due to wide tolerances in manufacture? So many rabbit holes to dive down...
Sinjin is AWESOME!!! Can't wait for the next video
Love this guy. Can't wait for the next installment.
That explains why the ping clubs with dynamic gold shafts i just had delivered from golf bidder have the labels all over the place. I was going to straighten them up, think i’ll leave them as they are. 😄 cant wait for the rest of the video
Best couple of videos. Amazing. Golf geek heaven.
more of this hes fascinating. we need more of this on youtube more technical stuff. love it james
Very interesting, makes total sense. Would love to try it on my own clubs and see the difference
Thank you. So interesting.I saw recent video of tour truck marking shaft on similar machine. Now it makes more sense.
Love this video and sin Jin I have wondered where it went and I’m happy it’s out now
brilliant this! ive saved this video for future reference when having new irons!!!! 👍
Love the video and very informative.
I can see this being possible to do yourself with older irons, but with the different adapters on the heads of woods and newer irons could pose an issue for the DIYer.
You would have to buy a screw and washer device from Golfworks to remove the shaft tip connectors, then put them back in the heads and reinstall the shaft in the right orientation.,
Thanks for the valuable information. really enjoyed it
What an outstanding video and I’m happy that my clubs are custom built for me and I know where they get built this is what my fitter would do
cheers TT
I can tell you this is very true. I had my last set from some guys near me called precision golf, the do custom fit and every shaft is fitted by them. They call it SST pure. Clubs are delivered with no logo on shaft as each shaft is aligned differently. I will take any gain I can get, so worth it to me.
Love the amount of detail he goes into can't wait for part 2... the label thing wouldn't bother me at all however if this is always the case would it not make sense to get the shaft with no label then have the club builder apply the label, kind of like installing a grip label down or using a 360 grip?
Very interesting. I'm now very interested in having mine checked.
Hi James. Absolutely fantastic content.
Near the start of the video you say it could be 45 minutes and it seems like there’s a Part 3 to come. Did I miss Part 3? Thanks
Class video mate, it answers a lot of questions! 👍
Ed Robertson of Applied Golf Technology first introduced me to spin alignment. He fitted an Aldila One shaft to my then R300, must have been about 1998 ish. Made an incredible difference to my accuracy and ball flight off the tee, so thats over 20 years ago. Loved that shaft.
That’s my fellow South African 🇿🇦 right there. Nice video, super impressed.
Hi James ... Thanks for this video, much needed. Did you ever produce PART 3? If so, can you post/send the link. TIA
Wow, something I took for granted with fishing rods they are all spine tested at build. I thought with the amount of money in golf club manufacturing that the production line would have an automated spine test prior to labelling. Great vid, my next set of clubs are getting spine tested!
Terry Phillips I’m glad someone mentioned a fishing rod, I always check the rod for the spine
Thanks for discussing this. This static spine finding is different than FLOing which is dynamic - twanging the shaft and seeing on which axis it oscillates in a straight line. This static testing finds the minute pre-existing bend of each shaft. FLO means Flat Line Oscillation. Often they will be on a similar axis to each other, but not always. The ones where they are not similar are unusual. When they are similar, putting the stiffest axis aligned with the club face and perpendicular to the target line at impact minimizes shaft droop and ensures the shaft will bend the easiest in line with the intended shot direction. Minimizing shaft droop makes hitting the center of the face consistently easier.
The goal of FLOing is to find out which direction the shaft oscillates in a straight line and to align it that so it is in line with the target when the face is square at impact. That means the shaft will bend the most consistently in a direction that won't adversely affect shot direction at all. Since the stiffest axis is approximately 90 degrees from the softest flexing axis (therefore perpendicular to the target line at impact), it will also minimize shaft droop as mentioned above.
If you use good quality shafts, the variation between supposedly matching shafts is usually less unless you get a particularly bad shaft that shouldn't have passed the quality control process (which occasionally happens). Some better quality shafts, especially graphite ones for "woods", are tested before the logo is applied so that the logo position can be consistent after this process. The steel shafts you show obviously were not done this way. It is rare for iron shafts to have labels consistent after this process unless they are shipped loose with the shafts and applied by the clubmaker after the club is assembled.
Since spine finding and FLOing are pretty easy and quick to do it is probably worth doing, unlike what some people say, especially to prevent using that particularly bad shaft which you shouldn't use at all. Older shafts can sometimes have more variation. I do this process with my own clubs and those I build for others, but I don't take apart clubs that are already are shafted unless a customer has a club he is having problems with. My iron shaft labels, therefore, point in every direction. Wood shafts were tested before logos applied - all face the same direction.
I have 1 set of irons SST pured and my new set is frequency matched. Havent really had a chance to play the new ones due to COVID. If I don't feel they work as well I shall be getting the new ones pured also!
SST puring made a massive difference to my driver (Hazardus Smoke 6.0) and 3 wood (Accra SC75) shafts.
My current Miura wedges are SST pured but will be replacing them with Orka once the lockdown is lifted and I can get a fitting in.
Really interesting. Looking forward to the next video.
Are you ever going to post part 3 of this series, as you made it sound like part 3 was the most important part, Thanks.
Great instruction!! I am a club builder and shaftoid guy. Looking forward to the counterbalancing video.
This is awesome! Would love to see the difference in the data between an ill-fitted spine and a correctly fitted spine
I would like to see that too.
You beat me too it lads so would I
@@kourt2469 Thank you for saying this. That is one less worry I have during my back-swing.
@@kourt2469 I know I’m five months late to this but I was thinking exactly the same thing while watching the video. Knowing where the spine is is one thing but wouldn’t it be more logical to have it at 3oclock or 9oclock so it’s travelling parallel to the direction you want the ball to travel?!?
I’ll cancel my flights to Frankfurt...
@@kourt2469 - With the softest flex axis in line with the target the shaft tends to bend in line with the intended line of flight which minimizes weird shaft behavior. In addition, that means the stiffest axis is perpendicular to the target line, minimizing shaft droop. That makes hitting the center of the face more often much easier.
Cant wait for the next instalment, very interesting (went a bit off piste with the samurai analogy though didn't he ;-)
Hi James, looking forward to seeing the next video in this series
Great show , waiting to see pt2
honestly, this is the simplest concept yet why is this not more widely known. mind blown. I'm blaming all my slice's on the spine of my clubs being miss aligned from here on out
Love this content, James; really love your channel
I appreciate that!
Wow. That information was amazing!
Finally sat down to watch. Had to pause again. Saw the krombacher box on the table. What a beer that is BTW. my dad gave me a box one Christmas. Didn't last long 😉. Right I'mma watch till the end now.
One of my faves!
Where and when for the other videos, great content and fascinating what the pros get versus the masses
Fantastic video. Knowledge, cant beat it
I've know about "spining" for some time, but didn't know the specifics. fascinating stuff.
Hello Joe , spine is only the start , the FLO flat line oscillation is the next step would like to see it proved by some science , Golf Works do a laser FLO shaft tip
& Jim @ McGolf does both hoping TXG might do a mythbuster on it since the have gears keep well Ian
I learned about spining/puring about 10-12 years ago. I have purchased 2 sets of clubs in that time frame and had them spined. With the past irons, I would always have 1-3 clubs that just didn't seem to work. With the 2 sets, I DID NOT have any club with a problem (of course, dependent on making a good swing). I wish there was some way for the shaft manufacturers to pre-spine the shafts while putting the label on.
James great video. Very interesting. I have not had my shafts tested.
Great informative video. I'd imagine that this type of attention to detail is most likely done 2 out of 10 fittings. Is there any way that for the uninitiated to know whether it has been done or if it is a case of checking the orientation of the shaft stickers?
Fantastic! Please do more content like this!
Love your content in general James but this stuff is freakin gold.
Mind blowing. Great vid
Really interesting and enlightening! 👍
Very intresting video james. Keep up the great work
Glad you enjoyed it
Fascinating video. I suspect the same issue arises in graphite shafts but I think we need another mad scientist video to prove it.
If I were a Tour player (in my dreams) I think that once I had settled on a shaft I would get the manufacturer to produce it either without any graphics or graphics that looked the same no matter how the shaft was fitted just to satisfy my OCD
Love the Mad Scientist series!!!
That was amazing craziest fitting ever love info on load bearing shaft very cool 😎
I see Sinjin uses zelos 7 shaft (Nipponshafts).... great eleection!!!
For clarity, is the softest flex (the top of the shaft in the machine) installed in the club head facing the target? That is the way I do it, adjusted for FLO. That way the stiffer axis is vertical and that minimizes the shaft/head droop at impact. There are a few companies that test their shafts before putting on the graphics. Their labels are consistent in position, but those companies (and/or shaft models) are rare. Typically it is only the higher end graphite wood shafts.
fascinating video james..
so if the spines is not in the correct position it can effect the face on impact/ball flight..
Epic. So do you then add in frequency matching!!!
That works only with parallel tip shafts - trimming tip until they match at the correct clamped length for each iron (unless you have endless numbers of irons to test and find matching ones. Then taper tip shafts can be matched. Huge inventory is expensive.).
What a great video, brilliant insight. Daren'nt ask how much it costs for a fitting.
I build fishing poles this is one of the essential things to get the alignment correct to decrease torque. I would bet this is also even more the case with graphite shafts due to the increased forces involved.
Very interesting but I have a couple of questions.
A) will this make a difference to a beginner/high handicapper?
B) how much would this cost? I imagine this is prohibitively expensive.
Awesome information. That guy is amazing.
Ive had my irons custom built by Alex at Orka golf, and I know that they are built "perfect" for me 😊😊
Another great video ....👍👍👍⛳
This was great! But I could not see where the green line was in relation to the club head. Does it go at the bottom when you're in your stance?
Awesome vlog James great content can we see more of this in the future please
Had my Mizuno Mp60 fitted with Shimada shafts which were spined and pured (i had money then). Not sure as a 10 Hcap I could notice any difference, but psychologically felt good.
Great content, James.
Does spine-ing apply to graphite shafts as well?
Yes.
Look forward to the rest of this.
Very informative
Great video, amazing content
do all fitters have the tester for the spine.great vlog bring on part 2. is it 14 inches from the bottom of the shaft
Amazing video very interesting content. Have you had your shafts done like that now and if you have have you noticed a difference? Would a normal weekend player like myself notice a difference? Keep safe james
That was very very interesting thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi James, that was really interesting. How would I test the spin of my irons? Is this something a club shop could do? Cheers Dale
Great insight.
Amazing video James!!! I have never heard of this before. How do I get an appointment to go and see him?
I had my irons spine aligned, does make a big difference
This guy is a golf genuis , it's quite impressive