I was unable to work on my wife’s quad last year. Long story short, took it to the “most reputable “ dealership in my area, they told me it had zero compression and $3600 to rebuild. I obviously passed and when I was able to work on it again, the compression was on the higher end of the specs. All I wanted was it tuned up and gone through. So glad I have the knowledge to not get completely ripped off.
That’s why I do not trust dealerships at all. It’s a known fact most of a dealerships income is from working on the vehicles they sell and not actually from selling them lol
@@Yz4Life My old, old lady was one of the top earning, service writers for both GM and Ford back in the day, and you are exactly right. They get big time commission for every job they sell...and sell she did.
I like how he’s methodical on finding the problem. Its a specific teardown step by step to find the specific problem, but only go as far as you need to.
Took it to a mechanic to service each year but they didn't bother to replace the air filter or clean it? Sounds like a mechanic I wouldn't trust touching my equipment. Your awesome with how to troubleshoot stuff, learn something new from your videos every time 💪
@@danielparsons3995 yeah maybe but looks like he just didn't care or take very good care of it I really wouldn't buy it afraid it will jump time again didn't see in video why it di that or he didn't us why or the fix
Why would the mechanic clean or replace the filter if the client said they were just going to get rid of it? So when the mechanic cleans or replaces it and chargers the client, the quad was consider garbage at that point. I’m sure they wouldn’t have been happy being charged with air filter when the clients throwing it away or selling it as is.
First thing to do in a no start situation, take starting fluid or WD40 and give a shot down carb, if it fires then its a no fuel situation, if not then its a spark situation, saves alot of time and work. This has always helped me diagnose a no start symptom quickly. Nice job on this one, who would've guessed timing was off that much? I wonder if that shop did that to get a high priced repair and then just readjust the timing and give it back to him, that will be $3200.00 sir lol. But I would be very upset selling it that cheap then finding out what was really wrong, that shop owes him big time. EDIT: sorry got my situations reversed lol, been a long day
I agree for a while there on some of his builds I thought he was just going to pull the plugs out and push the starter button to get it to go ride it like that😅😮😊😂
So pretty much the dealer was spot on no compression jump time. They have to guarantee their work so of course they recommended an overhaul, especially after seeing it’s been sucking in sand and dirt.
This last spring I bought a beautiful Polaris 500 with low miles for $50 lol. Guy said it had zero compression which was correct. It just had a soft gasket from the intake stuck in the intake valve. One cheap head gasket later and I have a 1500 mile $50 quad
@@bradfrye8297 I love all three of my Polarizes. I have owned Polaris quads since 1990. I have NEVER EVER had to walk out because my machine died. I usually ride 5,000 miles a year between my dirt bike and quad. When I was much younger, I rode my duel sport bikes 10,000 to 15,000 miles a year. I also had excellent luck with my Yamahas. Please tell all of us what brand of machine that you ride. I would like to know. If you are proud of it, tell us. By the way, I mean that I have 3 Polaris 4 wheelers right now. A 2022 570 Trail, a 2009 Sportsman 500, and a 2018 RZR 900. I have owned 2 1990 350s, 2 1995 sportsman 500s, 2 1999 Sportsman 500s, 2 2002 Sportsman 500s and a 2009 that I still have, and a 2012 that I traded in for my 2022 machine. The only thing that ever happened out on the trails is, I lost a belt on my 2012 machine. I was 30 miles from the truck, BUT, I always carry a spare belt and enough tools to change it. Took me 30 minutes on the side of a mountain at 8,000 feet in elevation. Spectacular view while changing the belt. I DO trust my Polaris machines, and I always ride alone.
I only recently started watching your videos but I'm already addicted, I love the way you record the steps at the right speed and with just the right amount of detail for anyone to understand and follow, and your systematic approach to fault finding, great stuff! I've learnt a lot already about engines in general.
Good job! My only comment is that I'm big on cleanliness. I ALWAYS run my carbs through the ultrasonic while I have them out. It's worth the few extra minutes to be sure it is clean.
Hello, I’m not mechanically inclined but I absolutely enjoy watching you figure out each ATV, motorcycle issue. So wish I had just half of your knowledge to be able to do this as well
If you’re testing for low compression, why would you leave that filthy air filter in? You need air to create compression. As a small engine mechanic, I’ve had several mowers come in with plugged air filters, and after I removed the filter they started and ran fine. You need four major items for an engine to run - air, fuel, spark, timing - and number 5 compression. The big glob in the carb bowl could explain why it ran and then wouldn’t. Gunk will float around and then cover ports intermittently. Nice catch on the timing!! Great the way you reasoned it through and watched for symptoms that didn’t “seem” to be related. Good job. I think this is a great example of why knowing and remembering to check those five factors I mentioned before is important.
JUST IMPRESSIVE HOW YOUR MIND WORKS. LOVE THE VIDEOS AND WATCHING THE WAY YOU ELIMINATE ONE THING TO ANOTHER TILL YOU GET TO THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU’RE DOING!!
Although, I am not a mechanic, I enjoy watching your videos. You give me a lot of insight as to what I can do with my own snowmobiles and quads. Now that I have subscribed to your channel, I will most definitely be looking forward to more of your videos.
You know, Joe.. and I'm at the part in the video where you just said if it is the valves you should call the fella you bought this from and tell him not to go there anymore, but I have a feeling man.. if it's a 'mechanic shop' and maybe it's a place that does a lot of business, they're going to be just like all the other big places and they just DON'T want to bother pulling the top end apart and checking anything.. Not that they're lazy, but that they just don't want to do it because they have so much other work to do. It's not a good thing, we've moved into this disposable life mindset.. everything is disposable today. Oh it's not running, yeah it needs a motor. Wait what?? What if the valves are out?? Nah, it's easier to just throw a known good motor in. Oh.. uh.. ok I guess.. :/
Got to love a Rotax engine! Almost 20 years old and still kicking. And you mentioned you never worked on a can am but you worked on the Ds650 I Believe 3 years ago.
Fantastic diagnostic 👍👌👏. Quadruple your money for a resell 😊😊. I bet the guy how owned it, is a little pissd OFF. That you GOT it up & running at that cost .
I agreed with your initial thoughts about the problem NOT being low compression, based on the story from the previous owner. Basically any engine would NOT be running fine when parked and then not start due to low compression. IMO, the previous owner wasn't truthful or didn't tell the whole story. Your diagnostic abilities are excellent! Interesting video! :-)
@@pygmywarrior3 It didn't seem to be loose. It seemed to be off by 3 links. I'm not a mechanic. I watch videos, like Joe's, for the education. Honest question: How can it jump timing like that? With that sort of snugness.?
@@williamfoote2888Perhaps it backfired when shutting it off? The chain tensioners are designed to work in one rotational direction. Not to say it doesn't provide tension if running backwards, but probably not properly. Aside from that, I don't know.
Indeed, it raises the question of how an allegedly well serviced machine can have the valve timing move itself out three teeth on the cam sprocket. Joe would do well now it's fixed and clean to sell it and bank a tidy profit. I doubt he needs more bulky machines sitting in his garage for ages.
I've suggested he might have a twin brother halving the workload. Or perhaps Jade is super skilled in searching the internet and selecting bargains for her husband to get stuck into fixing :o).
I was watching your video sitting next to my wife and I told it was valve timing when you were giving it throttle and it was sluggish and it was not smoking which meant the rings were sealing. Good job systemically diagnosing it.
Wow. Great find. Feel sorry for the seller. I guess it is possible that the stealership mechanic made an honest mistake, i just have very little use for them personally
@@mostlymotorized-- Could be, eh? They don't want to get stuck with something not worth the repair bill against it. After I got burned a couple of times working on houses, I thought I should be working on vehicles instead. At least that way, you got collateral to make sure you get paid.
Great DIAGNOSTIC/TROUBLE SHOOTING work Joe! Experience shinning through! Everyone needs to give a thumbs up on this one! Spectacular! Can you tell us the hour amount you put in??? Just a word on the mechanic from a business standpoint. So, the shop puts in 5 hours, going through what you did only to find that their diag. was correct. You say "too much, don't fix it". The shop says you owe us $700.00 labor at $140 per hour.. Oh, and don't forget the shop fees, the rags used ect. for another $50. You're not a happy camper.
Pretty darn good find with this ATV! The fact it even ran with valve timing severely retarded was amazing in itself, great troubleshooting there. Thanks for another good & informative video, Joe!
I have the same bike so i was interested in see what was wrong in case I ever had an issue. When you were testing it and were manually pull starting it to do the pressure test I wondered how you were pulling it so easy. I thought maybe there was something wrong with my bike because it is crazy hard to pull start. But then it all made sense when you figured it out. Thank you for this video. I learned so much about troubleshooting my bike if needed.
My Can-Am dealer could not figure out how to put a belt on my Defender. When I contacted BRP, they sent me a voucher for $1500 in accessories. The dealer then installed my new doors upside down and backwards and claimed BRP sent them the wrong doors. Nice machines that are let down by a lackluster dealer network.
Would not surprise me, the big wigs at can-am are not huge on hiring folks for their dealerships and ensuring they are well trained/versed on their brand. You'd think they would be though...
Great job! I learn a lot on diagnostic strategies by watching your videos, and think they're really well done in addition to the valuable and thorough explanations you provide. A great teaching tool!
i'm not at all good at mechanics, but learning slowwwly, how could it jump timing ? i'm understanding the chain would have skipped 3 theeths but how ? thanks
The dealership was covering their own ass. Imagine spending 1k at dealer for this work and engine still lets loose on you. What do you think the customer will say to the dealership? Dealer has to warranty their workmanship ya know.
These days, a dealer will be happy if he gets someone who comes in alive on a work day. No one wants to work, so they have to take what they can get. Which is usually third rate at best. Add affirmative action to the deal, and you've got a train wreck. I wrench all of my own equipment if I can handle the job.
Your making assumptions based on third hand information. What was the "dealership" asked to do? Maybe the "dealership" is a mate he asked to give it a quick once over.
it has spark and didnt start,so you put in another plug in it and still has spark,so you tried again and again it didnt start!!what was the point of putting another spark plug in it??how come it took so long to check compression?
been watching for a long long long time can't remember when i started lmao definitely with you and your brother , love the content have been buying and flipping bikes on the side for quite some time and i gotta say thank you for all the help and great content along the way wouldn't have been possible without you !
I had that exact machine. Make sure you check the front suspension. Mine was shot when I traded it in for a Commander. I didn't even feel any signs that the suspension was bad. That machine rides like a Cadillac!
I love your channel. I have never worked on anything but I have learned a lot from watching you. Now I can have a semi-intelligent conversation with my son....
The Mechanic wasn't completely wrong, it was low compression( due to timing ). I suspect the last time it had a top end rebuild, the rebuilder didn't time it quite right( was off a few teeth ). Awesome video Joe, great diag, got there in the end. I wonder if the timing chain could be stretched a bit?
I had two of them 400 max wheelers an 05 and an 06 the whole time it was running before you got the timing fixed I kept saying it does not sound right. And just like you said when it started after fixing the timing I said awe that sounds better. Great job. Great troubleshooting.
Great job figuring out the problem. My question is if the shop knew the timing was off tell the customer it must have jumped a tooth, why did he just not just try to adjust the timing. Before saying he needed a engine overhaul. Besides other minor issues with the bike was the timing set to be that way to make a job out of it or could the bike get that way by itself. That shop either doesn't know what it's doing or it very much knows what they did. Either way I would tell the guy you bought it from not to go back there in the future. Thanks for the video
First and foremost.... I LOVE watching all of your videos. Now for my .02 although i know that it wasn't asked for...... call me OCD but i've always tried to wash a piece of equipment prior to getting into the motor etc.... i've always thought "God help me if dirt gets in there". Keep up the awesome content!
I love the stories these people give. “I was clearing snow with the machine and ❄️ just went in for a snort came out didn’t wont start now”Lol 😅 looks like someone submarine it? Air filter has a ring looked like on it. Will see now back to the video!!!
Nice troubleshooting. I had an Outlander Max flip and fought the vaccuum pump for a long time before figuring it out. Thought that was your issue at first, but that timing catch was solid. Nice work
Great Buy, see Can-Am, but never bought one. Great Job putting the puzzle back together. Special guest star 2Vinny 🤣Like me, so happy it is running - even roughly - you kiss the garage floor knowing a few more twists and running like a watch
First off, love your videos. I'm not sure if it is a part of you protecting the sellers interest you acquire these items from, but it would be cool to know what you think the new value or what you would ask in price for these machines after you get them back up and running. Especially on something like this $460 quad.
That valve lash will get ya every time. I have done this many times to quads people brought in to the shop. Most of the time its the first thing I check when they say its hard to start, typically people clean the carb in that situation (it never hurts), but setting the valves always did the trick for me.
It's great that you got it fixed and the troubleshooting is great. But I believe you said early in the video that someone said the timing chain jumped a tooth and you didn't believe that. It's gotta be hard to think about what you are doing and narrating at the same time . Great video .
Good job young man. I know little about those engines but don’t know how the timing gets off and what are the chances it will happen again? Thanks for all your good videos.
honestly at 51:5952:30 it sounds like its plateau-ing like it starves for fuel after a certain rpm, did you check fuel lines, for liner gum and check fuel filter?
It's crazy to think the dealership couldn't fix it. I deal with that a bunch with freightliner cascadia trucks at work. I've gotten many raises over a decade fixing non fixable trucks. According to the dealership!! Lol good job
Lots of dealers won't touch older machines. It wasn't always this way. I can understand the hesitation on the dealers part, however, if doctors operated this way, more people would be needlessly dead. Great course on how to diagnose engine troubles.
Dude I did what you are doing my whole life I'm retired now but glad to see some of the younger generation in the game! Have a good one from Tennessee!
Joe always impressive man. Don't listen to the comments about abusing the starter. It gives all of us hope that our vintage starters are going to hang on way longer than we expect.
Hello mate, Kev from a small town called Bulahdelah, on the east coast of Australia here, i enjoy your show its great. If i could cheekily make a suggestion, could you possibly get more light on the job, specifically the engine area. And thanks for the excellent show its always a learning process for me, cheers. ps, no snow in AUS you can have that cold weather. lol
You have great skill!! How did you acquire this knowledge? Did you go to school for this or did you develop this skill in the school of hard-knocks? Either way I am impressed.
Awesome channel I wish I could find deals like that. I have a few questions why don't you wash off the machines before you start working on them, if the air filter is bad why not remove it so the engine is getting air, you don't use starting fluid or pour gas in the cylinder to jump start it nor coitizing your work just some questions, I think what you do is great. It is nice to see young people working on their machines instead of bringing them to a shop.
And yet another project well done. I also can't sleep when I have projects to figure out. I had no idea about that bolt though to make it lock into TDC. Good call. Most of these so-called mechanics don't surprise me at all. Charge all that money for labor and still have to end up taking it elsewhere. Sure is a bunch of dust where you live at. Too bad you didn't clean all that underbody. I hate dust and dirt especially the areas that you don't see.
The change in timing is issue of how. Did the mechanic do it? Did timing jump? How? It may acute again. Did the fly wheel shear the keyway? Nice job getting it running.
I recall you saying the last owner rode it, shut it off and it wouldn't restart. Since it skipped 3 teeth on the timing, did you check the timing chain tensioner and find anything wrong with it? I've seen cars with sloppy timing chains have that happen.
The only thing that would bother me me is, It jumped time, so the tensioner may be worn out, if so it will jump again, just my thoughts, but you do good you work hard to figure things out, I’m sure the dealer was taking this into consideration and the miles on the ATV so his loss was yours gain tho for sure, Happy working buddy😊
But what would cause the chain to be on the wrong cam sprocket position and make the timing off? With screw and locknut adjustment no need to remove the cam?
Great job, just a thought, you said you were going to message the owner to maybe give his machanic a miss for future repairs/work on anything! as they let him down BIG TIME,!!! it would be amazing for you to sell it back to him for what you paid for it plus the parts, plus what ever you would have charged for the work/hours done!! A VID ON YOU RETURNING THE QUAD! just because you can! To know you've helped someone to that level of kindness!! i'm sure would be worth more than any amount of proffit made on selling it to just anyone!! YOUR SUBSCRIBERS WOULD HAVE NEXT LEVEL RESPECT FOR YOU. UNITED KINGDOM.
wonder when you can get more money from youtube you could fix these and then give them back to the owners? Like surprise them with it and say, it only took this to fix it. But I know you put a lot of your time into these filming and editing and not to mention the time it takes searching for and getting these quads. Thanks for the knowledge share!
Damn, that starter deserves a medal.
😂thinking the same thing, my dad would have slapped me into next week - DUMMKOPF!
It comes from a good family 🙂
And the battery too.
Do I need to repair any ATVs , No
Do I own an ATV also no
Am I watching every second of every video yes 👌👍
You love it! 😄
same
I was unable to work on my wife’s quad last year. Long story short, took it to the “most reputable “ dealership in my area, they told me it had zero compression and $3600 to rebuild. I obviously passed and when I was able to work on it again, the compression was on the higher end of the specs. All I wanted was it tuned up and gone through. So glad I have the knowledge to not get completely ripped off.
Damn
That’s why I do not trust dealerships at all. It’s a known fact most of a dealerships income is from working on the vehicles they sell and not actually from selling them lol
@@Yz4Life
My old, old lady was one of the top earning, service writers for both GM and Ford back in the day, and you are exactly right.
They get big time commission for every job they sell...and sell she did.
You can sell it back to the guy you brought it from for 1500
How many hours do you have into repairing it? It seems like less than a day based on the video.
I like how he’s methodical on finding the problem. Its a specific teardown step by step to find the specific problem, but only go as far as you need to.
Took it to a mechanic to service each year but they didn't bother to replace the air filter or clean it? Sounds like a mechanic I wouldn't trust touching my equipment. Your awesome with how to troubleshoot stuff, learn something new from your videos every time 💪
Or it could be the owner that's full of shit😮
@@johnnycates4333 the only thing that makes me think he's not full of it is because he sold it for dirt cheap usually liars will sell for full price
@@danielparsons3995 yeah maybe but looks like he just didn't care or take very good care of it I really wouldn't buy it afraid it will jump time again didn't see in video why it di that or he didn't us why or the fix
@@johnnycates4333 cam chain tensioner spring was installed incorrectly. I will.be ordering a new tensioner just in case.
Why would the mechanic clean or replace the filter if the client said they were just going to get rid of it? So when the mechanic cleans or replaces it and chargers the client, the quad was consider garbage at that point. I’m sure they wouldn’t have been happy being charged with air filter when the clients throwing it away or selling it as is.
First thing to do in a no start situation, take starting fluid or WD40 and give a shot down carb, if it fires then its a no fuel situation, if not then its a spark situation, saves alot of time and work. This has always helped me diagnose a no start symptom quickly. Nice job on this one, who would've guessed timing was off that much? I wonder if that shop did that to get a high priced repair and then just readjust the timing and give it back to him, that will be $3200.00 sir lol. But I would be very upset selling it that cheap then finding out what was really wrong, that shop owes him big time. EDIT: sorry got my situations reversed lol, been a long day
You said If it starts with starter fluid it’s a no spark issue?
How could it fire in a no spark situation??? Lol.
A starter manufacturer needs to hire Joe to test their starters as much as he uses them on each machine.
Yes hes pretty hard on them
😂😂😂
I agree for a while there on some of his builds I thought he was just going to pull the plugs out and push the starter button to get it to go ride it like that😅😮😊😂
You can hear it has no compression but Joe just leans into that starter button! 😅
12:44 until he finally puts the compression tester on it. Unbelievable
So pretty much the dealer was spot on no compression jump time. They have to guarantee their work so of course they recommended an overhaul, especially after seeing it’s been sucking in sand and dirt.
Thank you. This guy is a goofy goober.
This last spring I bought a beautiful Polaris 500 with low miles for $50 lol. Guy said it had zero compression which was correct. It just had a soft gasket from the intake stuck in the intake valve. One cheap head gasket later and I have a 1500 mile $50 quad
Still junk polaris.. lol
Sand in the carb is never good, I reckon it will need a rebuild
Wow, I take my hat of to you sir, sounds good
But did you get your starter cherry red?
@@bradfrye8297 I love all three of my Polarizes. I have owned Polaris quads since 1990. I have NEVER EVER had to walk out because my machine died. I usually ride 5,000 miles a year between my dirt bike and quad. When I was much younger, I rode my duel sport bikes 10,000 to 15,000 miles a year. I also had excellent luck with my Yamahas.
Please tell all of us what brand of machine that you ride. I would like to know. If you are proud of it, tell us.
By the way, I mean that I have 3 Polaris 4 wheelers right now. A 2022 570 Trail, a 2009 Sportsman 500, and a 2018 RZR 900. I have owned 2 1990 350s, 2 1995 sportsman 500s, 2 1999 Sportsman 500s, 2 2002 Sportsman 500s and a 2009 that I still have, and a 2012 that I traded in for my 2022 machine.
The only thing that ever happened out on the trails is, I lost a belt on my 2012 machine. I was 30 miles from the truck, BUT, I always carry a spare belt and enough tools to change it. Took me 30 minutes on the side of a mountain at 8,000 feet in elevation. Spectacular view while changing the belt. I DO trust my Polaris machines, and I always ride alone.
I only recently started watching your videos but I'm already addicted, I love the way you record the steps at the right speed and with just the right amount of detail for anyone to understand and follow, and your systematic approach to fault finding, great stuff! I've learnt a lot already about engines in general.
Good job! My only comment is that I'm big on cleanliness. I ALWAYS run my carbs through the ultrasonic while I have them out. It's worth the few extra minutes to be sure it is clean.
Hello, I’m not mechanically inclined but I absolutely enjoy watching you figure out each ATV, motorcycle issue. So wish I had just half of your knowledge to be able to do this as well
When that needle jumped up, I laughed so hard. Excellent 🎉
Great work. Id suggest changing the timing chain and tensionor though as it didnt jump time for no reason.
Probably came from the factory like that!
Always a pleasure to watch you fix vehicles.Lookout for Vinny though.Dont run him over.👍
If you’re testing for low compression, why would you leave that filthy air filter in? You need air to create compression. As a small engine mechanic, I’ve had several mowers come in with plugged air filters, and after I removed the filter they started and ran fine. You need four major items for an engine to run - air, fuel, spark, timing - and number 5 compression.
The big glob in the carb bowl could explain why it ran and then wouldn’t. Gunk will float around and then cover ports intermittently.
Nice catch on the timing!! Great the way you reasoned it through and watched for symptoms that didn’t “seem” to be related. Good job. I think this is a great example of why knowing and remembering to check those five factors I mentioned before is important.
JUST IMPRESSIVE HOW YOUR MIND WORKS. LOVE THE VIDEOS AND WATCHING THE WAY YOU ELIMINATE ONE THING TO ANOTHER TILL YOU GET TO THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU’RE DOING!!
Although, I am not a mechanic, I enjoy watching your videos. You give me a lot of insight as to what I can do with my own snowmobiles and quads. Now that I have subscribed to your channel, I will most definitely be looking forward to more of your videos.
Cranks over 300 times
Man I can’t believe it fired right up 🤣
feel sorry for the starter motor and battery!!
Lol I was thinking same thing but wtf $460 machine who cares
lol,i heard that too.
@@jacksyful but he said it fired right up lol
I DID FIRE RIGHT UP! after 301 revolutions
My dad believe in the marvel mystery oil he said it will fix anything I sure miss him working on my stuff . Keep on keeping on great channel
Well done Joe, thanks for letting us hang out in your shop today.
Thanks Joe for taking me along. You skills are magnificent. Another great repair. 😊😊😊
You know, Joe.. and I'm at the part in the video where you just said if it is the valves you should call the fella you bought this from and tell him not to go there anymore, but I have a feeling man.. if it's a 'mechanic shop' and maybe it's a place that does a lot of business, they're going to be just like all the other big places and they just DON'T want to bother pulling the top end apart and checking anything.. Not that they're lazy, but that they just don't want to do it because they have so much other work to do. It's not a good thing, we've moved into this disposable life mindset.. everything is disposable today. Oh it's not running, yeah it needs a motor. Wait what?? What if the valves are out?? Nah, it's easier to just throw a known good motor in. Oh.. uh.. ok I guess.. :/
Got to love a Rotax engine! Almost 20 years old and still kicking.
And you mentioned you never worked on a can am but you worked on the Ds650 I Believe 3 years ago.
I have been doin this on the side for 25 years, its gotten so I would rather watch you than fix myself lol. Good job!!
Fantastic diagnostic 👍👌👏. Quadruple your money for a resell 😊😊. I bet the guy how owned it, is a little pissd OFF. That you GOT it up & running at that cost .
I agreed with your initial thoughts about the problem NOT being low compression, based on the story from the previous owner. Basically any engine would NOT be running fine when parked and then not start due to low compression. IMO, the previous owner wasn't truthful or didn't tell the whole story.
Your diagnostic abilities are excellent! Interesting video! :-)
It could have had a loose timing chain and jumped timing when he shut it off.
Or maybe the previous owner did tell the whole truth and the complete story. Maybe his mechanic was trying to rip him off.
@@pygmywarrior3 It didn't seem to be loose. It seemed to be off by 3 links. I'm not a mechanic. I watch videos, like Joe's, for the education. Honest question: How can it jump timing like that? With that sort of snugness.?
@@williamfoote2888Perhaps it backfired when shutting it off? The chain tensioners are designed to work in one rotational direction. Not to say it doesn't provide tension if running backwards, but probably not properly. Aside from that, I don't know.
Indeed, it raises the question of how an allegedly well serviced machine
can have the valve timing move itself out three teeth on the cam sprocket.
Joe would do well now it's fixed and clean to sell it and bank a tidy profit.
I doubt he needs more bulky machines sitting in his garage for ages.
Joe, I can't believe how many machines you work on every week and post. Well done brother!
I've suggested he might have a twin brother halving the workload. Or perhaps
Jade is super skilled in searching the internet and selecting bargains for
her husband to get stuck into fixing :o).
There must be a really interesting story as to how the valve timing got to be a few teeth off. Great result Joe!
I was watching your video sitting next to my wife and I told it was valve timing when you were giving it throttle and it was sluggish and it was not smoking which meant the rings were sealing. Good job systemically diagnosing it.
Wow. Great find. Feel sorry for the seller. I guess it is possible that the stealership mechanic made an honest mistake, i just have very little use for them personally
"Dealer cant fix it" = labor cost exceeds the value.
It doesn't mean they can't actually fix it
@@mostlymotorized-- Could be, eh? They don't want to get stuck with something not worth the repair bill against it. After I got burned a couple of times working on houses, I thought I should be working on vehicles instead. At least that way, you got collateral to make sure you get paid.
@@JIMPETERSON-n7ior maybe they could take payment b4 the work is done.
You are so talented. It is impressive to watch someone who knows his trade work on machines to get them working.
You’re a genius my dude keep being awesome 👏🏼 take it back and sell it to him for $3200
This guy knows his stuff and understands to always due process of elimination! Smart dude! Great video! 👍🏼👍🏼
Great DIAGNOSTIC/TROUBLE SHOOTING work Joe! Experience shinning through! Everyone needs to give a thumbs up on this one! Spectacular!
Can you tell us the hour amount you put in??? Just a word on the mechanic from a business standpoint. So, the shop puts in 5 hours, going through what you did only to find that their diag. was correct. You say "too much, don't fix it". The shop says you owe us $700.00 labor at $140 per hour.. Oh, and don't forget the shop fees, the rags used ect. for another $50. You're not a happy camper.
Pretty darn good find with this ATV! The fact it even ran with valve timing severely retarded was amazing in itself, great troubleshooting there. Thanks for another good & informative video, Joe!
Vinny barking in the background sent my dogs into a full out shitfit, they were convinced there was a dog in the house 🤣
I have the same bike so i was interested in see what was wrong in case I ever had an issue. When you were testing it and were manually pull starting it to do the pressure test I wondered how you were pulling it so easy. I thought maybe there was something wrong with my bike because it is crazy hard to pull start. But then it all made sense when you figured it out. Thank you for this video. I learned so much about troubleshooting my bike if needed.
My Can-Am dealer could not figure out how to put a belt on my Defender. When I contacted BRP, they sent me a voucher for $1500 in accessories. The dealer then installed my new doors upside down and backwards and claimed BRP sent them the wrong doors. Nice machines that are let down by a lackluster dealer network.
Which dealer? I could sure use $1500 in accessories. 🙂
Would not surprise me, the big wigs at can-am are not huge on hiring folks for their dealerships and ensuring they are well trained/versed on their brand. You'd think they would be though...
Wow thats insane 😂. Who are they hiring 😳
Sounds like a business opportunity to me.
I've been watching for awhile and you have given me the confidence do this stuff
For me it’s fun watching CT go through his learning curve. Would love love love to see him put some beautiful colors on those VWs.
Great job! I learn a lot on diagnostic strategies by watching your videos, and think they're really well done in addition to the valuable and thorough explanations you provide. A great teaching tool!
the first thing that came to my mind when the value was loose was it jumped timing. i’m glad it was easy to time that beast! nice work
i'm not at all good at mechanics, but learning slowwwly, how could it jump timing ? i'm understanding the chain would have skipped 3 theeths but how ? thanks
I hear it most of the time the engine just sounds off when it jumps time or snaps a belt
The Dealership that could not repair this should FIRE everybody who was involved in the attempt to repair!
The dealership was covering their own ass. Imagine spending 1k at dealer for this work and engine still lets loose on you. What do you think the customer will say to the dealership? Dealer has to warranty their workmanship ya know.
Dealerships have a very difficult finding and keeping quality technicians
These days, a dealer will be happy if he gets someone who comes in alive on a work day. No one wants to work, so they have to take what they can get. Which is usually third rate at best. Add affirmative action to the deal, and you've got a train wreck.
I wrench all of my own equipment if I can handle the job.
Your making assumptions based on third hand information. What was the "dealership" asked to do? Maybe the "dealership" is a mate he asked to give it a quick once over.
I'm sure Vinny would follow you to the ends of the earth, Joe! Great job diagnosing and fixing this quad
I think it’s time you got lucky
One of my favorite videos so far! This is what flipping is all about.. great job man
it has spark and didnt start,so you put in another plug in it and still has spark,so you tried again and again it didnt start!!what was the point of putting another spark plug in it??how come it took so long to check compression?
Maybe he doesn't have a compression tester😮.
@@hawkpost44 he had one,didnt you see he used after doing all that extra work first?
I agree. And it runs but it’s not fixed, valves don’t grow.
been watching for a long long long time can't remember when i started lmao definitely with you and your brother , love the content have been buying and flipping bikes on the side for quite some time and i gotta say thank you for all the help and great content along the way wouldn't have been possible without you !
I had that exact machine. Make sure you check the front suspension. Mine was shot when I traded it in for a Commander. I didn't even feel any signs that the suspension was bad. That machine rides like a Cadillac!
I had the 500 twin. That seat was so soft. Very comfortable machine. I also got rid of mine after buying a Commander back in 14.
Simply amazing understanding of engines coupled with diagnostic skill. Priceless and not an old hand either! Brilliant. 👍 Phil, Suffolk U.K. 🇬🇧
I love your channel. I have never worked on anything but I have learned a lot from watching you. Now I can have a semi-intelligent conversation with my son....
The fact that you figured out how to check the timing and his mechanic didn't bother says a lot. Good job in the end.
The Mechanic wasn't completely wrong, it was low compression( due to timing ). I suspect the last time it had a top end rebuild, the rebuilder didn't time it quite right( was off a few teeth ). Awesome video Joe, great diag, got there in the end. I wonder if the timing chain could be stretched a bit?
Nice job ! After the carb was clean I was worried it was a bigger job. But nicely diagnosed.
I had two of them 400 max wheelers an 05 and an 06 the whole time it was running before you got the timing fixed I kept saying it does not sound right. And just like you said when it started after fixing the timing I said awe that sounds better. Great job. Great troubleshooting.
Any idea why the timing chain jumped. Seems odd that it was running okay then wouldn't start?
Great job figuring out the problem. My question is if the shop knew the timing was off tell the customer it must have jumped a tooth, why did he just not just try to adjust the timing. Before saying he needed a engine overhaul. Besides other minor issues with the bike was the timing set to be that way to make a job out of it or could the bike get that way by itself. That shop either doesn't know what it's doing or it very much knows what they did. Either way I would tell the guy you bought it from not to go back there in the future. Thanks for the video
First and foremost.... I LOVE watching all of your videos. Now for my .02 although i know that it wasn't asked for...... call me OCD but i've always tried to wash a piece of equipment prior to getting into the motor etc.... i've always thought "God help me if dirt gets in there". Keep up the awesome content!
I love the stories these people give.
“I was clearing snow with the machine and ❄️ just went in for a snort came out didn’t wont start now”Lol 😅 looks like someone submarine it? Air filter has a ring looked like on it. Will see now back to the video!!!
I have the exact same machine which I bought used about 5 years ago. Runs great. Mostly used for snowplowing and work around the house.
You do a great job, explaining different problems, and solving them. Watch all your videos and enjoy them. Best of luck,
Nice troubleshooting. I had an Outlander Max flip and fought the vaccuum pump for a long time before figuring it out. Thought that was your issue at first, but that timing catch was solid. Nice work
That was great. A step by step approach and ..... lo and behold, the ATV had to start!
Great Buy, see Can-Am, but never bought one. Great Job putting the puzzle back together. Special guest star 2Vinny
🤣Like me, so happy it is running - even roughly - you kiss the garage floor knowing a few more twists and running like a watch
First off, love your videos. I'm not sure if it is a part of you protecting the sellers interest you acquire these items from, but it would be cool to know what you think the new value or what you would ask in price for these machines after you get them back up and running. Especially on something like this $460 quad.
That valve lash will get ya every time. I have done this many times to quads people brought in to the shop. Most of the time its the first thing I check when they say its hard to start, typically people clean the carb in that situation (it never hurts), but setting the valves always did the trick for me.
It's great that you got it fixed and the troubleshooting is great. But I believe you said early in the video that someone said the timing chain jumped a tooth and you didn't believe that. It's gotta be hard to think about what you are doing and narrating at the same time . Great video .
loved how you thought it over then came back the next morning with the solution, nice job 😀👍
Awesome video you really have a knack for fixing these. I am glued to watching your videos.
Excellent diagnostic skills! You deserve the results you achieve but a pity many bike shops dont have mechanics of your calibre.
Great video Joe. I've also noticed quite an improvement in content quality since Vinny took over as your project manager.
It's great to actually watch videos that explain the thought process of troubleshooting and show the steps to repair. Thank you.
Outstanding troubleshooting! Really top notch. 😎👍
Good job young man. I know little about those engines but don’t know how the timing gets off and what are the chances it will happen again? Thanks for all your good videos.
honestly at 51:59 52:30 it sounds like its plateau-ing like it starves for fuel after a certain rpm, did you check fuel lines, for liner gum and check fuel filter?
It's crazy to think the dealership couldn't fix it. I deal with that a bunch with freightliner cascadia trucks at work. I've gotten many raises over a decade fixing non fixable trucks. According to the dealership!! Lol good job
Lots of dealers won't touch older machines. It wasn't always this way. I can understand the hesitation on the dealers part, however, if doctors operated this way, more people would be needlessly dead.
Great course on how to diagnose engine troubles.
Great diagnostic skills! Question tho? What would have caused the timing to suddenly go out of time & what stops it from happening again?
Dude I did what you are doing my whole life I'm retired now but glad to see some of the younger generation in the game! Have a good one from Tennessee!
Henderson TN in da house, go Vols!
Joe always impressive man. Don't listen to the comments about abusing the starter. It gives all of us hope that our vintage starters are going to hang on way longer than we expect.
Nice diagnosis and fix. Fugly but runs good. Ever wonder... why did timing jump? Bad chain tensioner and/or low oil?
Excellent video! Way to take the mechanic’s diagnosis to task
Hello mate, Kev from a small town called Bulahdelah, on the east coast of Australia here, i enjoy your show its great. If i could cheekily make a suggestion, could you possibly get more light on the job, specifically the engine area. And thanks for the excellent show its always a learning process for me, cheers. ps, no snow in AUS you can have that cold weather. lol
You have great skill!! How did you acquire this knowledge? Did you go to school for this or did you develop this skill in the school of hard-knocks? Either way I am impressed.
Awesome channel I wish I could find deals like that. I have a few questions why don't you wash off the machines before you start working on them, if the air filter is bad why not remove it so the engine is getting air, you don't use starting fluid or pour gas in the cylinder to jump start it nor coitizing your work just some questions, I think what you do is great. It is nice to see young people working on their machines instead of bringing them to a shop.
And yet another project well done. I also can't sleep when I have projects to figure out. I had no idea about that bolt though to make it lock into TDC. Good call. Most of these so-called mechanics don't surprise me at all. Charge all that money for labor and still have to end up taking it elsewhere. Sure is a bunch of dust where you live at. Too bad you didn't clean all that underbody. I hate dust and dirt especially the areas that you don't see.
Great work especially for your first time working on a Bombardier. 200 psi healthy engine.
The change in timing is issue of how.
Did the mechanic do it?
Did timing jump? How? It may acute again.
Did the fly wheel shear the keyway?
Nice job getting it running.
Is your compression release working right? It should STAY on 60 is it stuck or not working,?
I recall you saying the last owner rode it, shut it off and it wouldn't restart. Since it skipped 3 teeth on the timing, did you check the timing chain tensioner and find anything wrong with it? I've seen cars with sloppy timing chains have that happen.
What causes the timing get "off" like that? From running fine and then suddenly not running. Thanks. Great videos!!
You are obviously a good mechanic and I enjoy your videos.
The only thing that would bother me me is, It jumped time, so the tensioner may be worn out, if so it will jump again, just my thoughts, but you do good you work hard to figure things out, I’m sure the dealer was taking this into consideration and the miles on the ATV so his loss was yours gain tho for sure, Happy working buddy😊
But what would cause the chain to be on the wrong cam sprocket position and make the timing off? With screw and locknut adjustment no need to remove the cam?
Awesome fix. Curious. What is that metal rattling sound?
Great job, just a thought, you said you were going to message the owner to maybe give his machanic a miss for future repairs/work on anything! as they let him down BIG TIME,!!! it would be amazing for you to sell it back to him for what you paid for it plus the parts, plus what ever you would have charged for the work/hours done!! A VID ON YOU RETURNING THE QUAD! just because you can! To know you've helped someone to that level of kindness!! i'm sure would be worth more than any amount of proffit made on selling it to just anyone!! YOUR SUBSCRIBERS WOULD HAVE NEXT LEVEL RESPECT FOR YOU. UNITED KINGDOM.
guy probably doesnt want it back
Nice video. Not exactly the way I would have diagnosed it but you still got it figured out in the end!
You are killing me! I just spent my entire work day watching your videos, lol. Need to get some work done.....
wonder when you can get more money from youtube you could fix these and then give them back to the owners? Like surprise them with it and say, it only took this to fix it.
But I know you put a lot of your time into these filming and editing and not to mention the time it takes searching for and getting these quads.
Thanks for the knowledge share!