Dealership Couldn't Fix This ATV So I Got It For CHEAP
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- I buy a 2005 Can Am Outlander 400 Max ATV for cheap after a dealership couldn't fix it. #ATV, #Fix,
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Do I need to repair any ATVs , No
Do I own an ATV also no
Am I watching every second of every video yes 👌👍
Damn, that starter deserves a medal.
😂thinking the same thing, my dad would have slapped me into next week - DUMMKOPF!
It comes from a good family 🙂
And the battery too.
Cranks over 300 times
Man I can’t believe it fired right up 🤣
feel sorry for the starter motor and battery!!
Lol I was thinking same thing but wtf $460 machine who cares
lol,i heard that too.
@@jacksyful but he said it fired right up lol
I DID FIRE RIGHT UP! after 301 revolutions
I was unable to work on my wife’s quad last year. Long story short, took it to the “most reputable “ dealership in my area, they told me it had zero compression and $3600 to rebuild. I obviously passed and when I was able to work on it again, the compression was on the higher end of the specs. All I wanted was it tuned up and gone through. So glad I have the knowledge to not get completely ripped off.
Damn
That’s why I do not trust dealerships at all. It’s a known fact most of a dealerships income is from working on the vehicles they sell and not actually from selling them lol
@@Yz4Life
My old, old lady was one of the top earning, service writers for both GM and Ford back in the day, and you are exactly right.
They get big time commission for every job they sell...and sell she did.
You can sell it back to the guy you brought it from for 1500
How many hours do you have into repairing it? It seems like less than a day based on the video.
A starter manufacturer needs to hire Joe to test their starters as much as he uses them on each machine.
Yes hes pretty hard on them
😂😂😂
I agree for a while there on some of his builds I thought he was just going to pull the plugs out and push the starter button to get it to go ride it like that😅😮😊😂
You can hear it has no compression but Joe just leans into that starter button! 😅
12:44 until he finally puts the compression tester on it. Unbelievable
Took it to a mechanic to service each year but they didn't bother to replace the air filter or clean it? Sounds like a mechanic I wouldn't trust touching my equipment. Your awesome with how to troubleshoot stuff, learn something new from your videos every time 💪
Or it could be the owner that's full of shit😮
@@johnnycates4333 the only thing that makes me think he's not full of it is because he sold it for dirt cheap usually liars will sell for full price
@@danielparsons3995 yeah maybe but looks like he just didn't care or take very good care of it I really wouldn't buy it afraid it will jump time again didn't see in video why it di that or he didn't us why or the fix
@@johnnycates4333 cam chain tensioner spring was installed incorrectly. I will.be ordering a new tensioner just in case.
Why would the mechanic clean or replace the filter if the client said they were just going to get rid of it? So when the mechanic cleans or replaces it and chargers the client, the quad was consider garbage at that point. I’m sure they wouldn’t have been happy being charged with air filter when the clients throwing it away or selling it as is.
So pretty much the dealer was spot on no compression jump time. They have to guarantee their work so of course they recommended an overhaul, especially after seeing it’s been sucking in sand and dirt.
I like how he’s methodical on finding the problem. Its a specific teardown step by step to find the specific problem, but only go as far as you need to.
This last spring I bought a beautiful Polaris 500 with low miles for $50 lol. Guy said it had zero compression which was correct. It just had a soft gasket from the intake stuck in the intake valve. One cheap head gasket later and I have a 1500 mile $50 quad
Still junk polaris.. lol
Sand in the carb is never good, I reckon it will need a rebuild
Wow, I take my hat of to you sir, sounds good
But did you get your starter cherry red?
@@bradfrye8297 I love all three of my Polarizes. I have owned Polaris quads since 1990. I have NEVER EVER had to walk out because my machine died. I usually ride 5,000 miles a year between my dirt bike and quad. When I was much younger, I rode my duel sport bikes 10,000 to 15,000 miles a year. I also had excellent luck with my Yamahas.
Please tell all of us what brand of machine that you ride. I would like to know. If you are proud of it, tell us.
By the way, I mean that I have 3 Polaris 4 wheelers right now. A 2022 570 Trail, a 2009 Sportsman 500, and a 2018 RZR 900. I have owned 2 1990 350s, 2 1995 sportsman 500s, 2 1999 Sportsman 500s, 2 2002 Sportsman 500s and a 2009 that I still have, and a 2012 that I traded in for my 2022 machine.
The only thing that ever happened out on the trails is, I lost a belt on my 2012 machine. I was 30 miles from the truck, BUT, I always carry a spare belt and enough tools to change it. Took me 30 minutes on the side of a mountain at 8,000 feet in elevation. Spectacular view while changing the belt. I DO trust my Polaris machines, and I always ride alone.
When that needle jumped up, I laughed so hard. Excellent 🎉
Joe, I know I wrote this before but you never answered. I do the same as you. I buy old Bikes and get them running. I restore them after getting them running good. About 2-3 Bikes a year for the past 40 years. Now my process is simple. A good wash and clean of all parts while assembled. Then a diagnosis and general check out. Then I strip it down completely. The most important thing is the initial wash and clean. It means clean parts to work with. This is key to me because it is much easier to see everything. Cracks, breaks and more. No dirt gets into the inside too. My hands are cleaner. Why do you not do this easy and simple job! I ask myself every time I watch your vids. Dont get me wrong I like your work.
Joe can see right through that dirt You don't need no stinking Pressure washer.
Thats the first thing i do every time
How lazy can people be not to even look at the air cleaner.
Agree, that's what I was thinking the whole time. Clean it first, then start working on it.
First thing to do in a no start situation, take starting fluid or WD40 and give a shot down carb, if it fires then its a no fuel situation, if not then its a spark situation, saves alot of time and work. This has always helped me diagnose a no start symptom quickly. Nice job on this one, who would've guessed timing was off that much? I wonder if that shop did that to get a high priced repair and then just readjust the timing and give it back to him, that will be $3200.00 sir lol. But I would be very upset selling it that cheap then finding out what was really wrong, that shop owes him big time. EDIT: sorry got my situations reversed lol, been a long day
You said If it starts with starter fluid it’s a no spark issue?
How could it fire in a no spark situation??? Lol.
Good job! My only comment is that I'm big on cleanliness. I ALWAYS run my carbs through the ultrasonic while I have them out. It's worth the few extra minutes to be sure it is clean.
You’re a genius my dude keep being awesome 👏🏼 take it back and sell it to him for $3200
Great work. Id suggest changing the timing chain and tensionor though as it didnt jump time for no reason.
Probably came from the factory like that!
Always a pleasure to watch you fix vehicles.Lookout for Vinny though.Dont run him over.👍
JUST IMPRESSIVE HOW YOUR MIND WORKS. LOVE THE VIDEOS AND WATCHING THE WAY YOU ELIMINATE ONE THING TO ANOTHER TILL YOU GET TO THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU’RE DOING!!
You know, Joe.. and I'm at the part in the video where you just said if it is the valves you should call the fella you bought this from and tell him not to go there anymore, but I have a feeling man.. if it's a 'mechanic shop' and maybe it's a place that does a lot of business, they're going to be just like all the other big places and they just DON'T want to bother pulling the top end apart and checking anything.. Not that they're lazy, but that they just don't want to do it because they have so much other work to do. It's not a good thing, we've moved into this disposable life mindset.. everything is disposable today. Oh it's not running, yeah it needs a motor. Wait what?? What if the valves are out?? Nah, it's easier to just throw a known good motor in. Oh.. uh.. ok I guess.. :/
For me it’s fun watching CT go through his learning curve. Would love love love to see him put some beautiful colors on those VWs.
Fantastic diagnostic 👍👌👏. Quadruple your money for a resell 😊😊. I bet the guy how owned it, is a little pissd OFF. That you GOT it up & running at that cost .
My Can-Am dealer could not figure out how to put a belt on my Defender. When I contacted BRP, they sent me a voucher for $1500 in accessories. The dealer then installed my new doors upside down and backwards and claimed BRP sent them the wrong doors. Nice machines that are let down by a lackluster dealer network.
Which dealer? I could sure use $1500 in accessories. 🙂
Would not surprise me, the big wigs at can-am are not huge on hiring folks for their dealerships and ensuring they are well trained/versed on their brand. You'd think they would be though...
Wow thats insane 😂. Who are they hiring 😳
Wow. Great find. Feel sorry for the seller. I guess it is possible that the stealership mechanic made an honest mistake, i just have very little use for them personally
"Dealer cant fix it" = labor cost exceeds the value.
It doesn't mean they can't actually fix it
@@mostlymotorized-- Could be, eh? They don't want to get stuck with something not worth the repair bill against it. After I got burned a couple of times working on houses, I thought I should be working on vehicles instead. At least that way, you got collateral to make sure you get paid.
@@user-pp2ze4yq3mor maybe they could take payment b4 the work is done.
What a EXCELLENT MECHANIC, Joe actually THINKS about what he`s doing and why. Mechanic work is 40 percent diagnosis , 20 parts swapping , and 40 percent fine tuning. He is a MASTER at his art. My profession is a two stroke boat mechanic. So i get his thought processes.
Glazing
Joe, I don’t know why you haven’t opened up a shop yet! Or maybe you have thought about it, but don’t want to. It’s just very hard to find honest mechanics these days! And with your knowledge, I’m sure people would be flooding to you! Good job on this one. As for that other mechanic, hope he got an ear full!
Great DIAGNOSTIC/TROUBLE SHOOTING work Joe! Experience shinning through! Everyone needs to give a thumbs up on this one! Spectacular!
Can you tell us the hour amount you put in??? Just a word on the mechanic from a business standpoint. So, the shop puts in 5 hours, going through what you did only to find that their diag. was correct. You say "too much, don't fix it". The shop says you owe us $700.00 labor at $140 per hour.. Oh, and don't forget the shop fees, the rags used ect. for another $50. You're not a happy camper.
Vinny barking in the background sent my dogs into a full out shitfit, they were convinced there was a dog in the house 🤣
My dad believe in the marvel mystery oil he said it will fix anything I sure miss him working on my stuff . Keep on keeping on great channel
I have been doin this on the side for 25 years, its gotten so I would rather watch you than fix myself lol. Good job!!
Man I wish I had half the skill you do. Would definitely have a side business fixing bikes up.
It’s actually pretty damn easy, 10x easier than working on cars
Yep, really easy, you can learn most of the things in a couple months. Just start!
@@kafkasbugmusic I have experience with rebuilding carbs and general maintenance, but cracking open an engine seems daunting lol. Gotta start somewhere I guess
@@Leonida-Man the first time i replaced rings on a small scooter i broke them 😅 had to order a new pair, but thats how you learn most of the time
Joe I watch all your videos for the most part. Really impressed on this one. Great Job
The Dealership that could not repair this should FIRE everybody who was involved in the attempt to repair!
The dealership was covering their own ass. Imagine spending 1k at dealer for this work and engine still lets loose on you. What do you think the customer will say to the dealership? Dealer has to warranty their workmanship ya know.
Dealerships have a very difficult finding and keeping quality technicians
These days, a dealer will be happy if he gets someone who comes in alive on a work day. No one wants to work, so they have to take what they can get. Which is usually third rate at best. Add affirmative action to the deal, and you've got a train wreck.
I wrench all of my own equipment if I can handle the job.
Your making assumptions based on third hand information. What was the "dealership" asked to do? Maybe the "dealership" is a mate he asked to give it a quick once over.
Well done Joe, thanks for letting us hang out in your shop today.
The fact that you figured out how to check the timing and his mechanic didn't bother says a lot. Good job in the end.
I only recently started watching your videos but I'm already addicted, I love the way you record the steps at the right speed and with just the right amount of detail for anyone to understand and follow, and your systematic approach to fault finding, great stuff! I've learnt a lot already about engines in general.
Just after the compression test now Joe.. You don't know HOW bad I want to just hold my mouse over the video timeline and see where you are at about 45 minutes in JUST to see if my guess now.. man it's hard not to do that but you're so interesting and knowledgeable to watch I can't even tease myself.. Let's see what happened to this thing!!
Vinny's having a great time with no snow on the ground.
Got to love a Rotax engine! Almost 20 years old and still kicking.
And you mentioned you never worked on a can am but you worked on the Ds650 I Believe 3 years ago.
Hello, I’m not mechanically inclined but I absolutely enjoy watching you figure out each ATV, motorcycle issue. So wish I had just half of your knowledge to be able to do this as well
I have watched you over all these years become a master mechanic. Great to see the younger gen taking up the mantle.
Master mechanic lol dude is a parts installer you need to stop encouraging this guy worst channel on TH-cam to learn from
Then why are you watching it
@@marcemayer6235glazing for what😂😂he works on his own shit and I bet you he has worked on way more machines than you have
@@marcemayer6235He may not be a master mechanic. But I’m willing to bet he’s considerably better then you at working on these machines.
There must be a really interesting story as to how the valve timing got to be a few teeth off. Great result Joe!
When you brought it out for your first little ride, I could hear it bogging the whole time. I figured it was valve adjustment or timing or both. Nice job on diagnosing. And also nice score!
I've been watching for awhile and you have given me the confidence do this stuff
Great job! I learn a lot on diagnostic strategies by watching your videos, and think they're really well done in addition to the valuable and thorough explanations you provide. A great teaching tool!
612 hours? That’s new yet! Shit, I have 2,590 hours on my 2006 Polaris Ranger & it still runs great! I have done a fair amount of replacement of wear items like front & rear differential bearings a couple belts also a couple axles but nothing I haven’t been able to repair. Good luck with your “High mileage” machine. lol!
I love your videos man. Thank you for just being yourself and simply sharing what you’re thinking. There are some really great moto mechanics on the tube but their cheesy TV personality ruins their videos for me. You’re a rare breed. Thanks for the authenticity. 👍
I think it’s time you got lucky
it has spark and didnt start,so you put in another plug in it and still has spark,so you tried again and again it didnt start!!what was the point of putting another spark plug in it??how come it took so long to check compression?
Maybe he doesn't have a compression tester😮.
@@hawkpost44 he had one,didnt you see he used after doing all that extra work first?
I agree. And it runs but it’s not fixed, valves don’t grow.
You are so talented. It is impressive to watch someone who knows his trade work on machines to get them working.
I love the stories these people give.
“I was clearing snow with the machine and ❄️ just went in for a snort came out didn’t wont start now”Lol 😅 looks like someone submarine it? Air filter has a ring looked like on it. Will see now back to the video!!!
You’re a top-notch, small engine mechanic
Wow I can't believe how easy that was to fix, most people wouldn't have understood the blowby out the carb issue and check timing.
Checking timing is part of valve adjustment
@@robertdelinsky7247 not exactly, some engines have valve access holes that only open to the valve, like my 400ex it has 4 openings for just valves and if you want to see the cam shaft you have to take the valve cover completely off... C'mon haven't anyone work on theses things before?
@@danielparsons3995 Yes u have plugs on shifter side u look in time on marks. then adjust valves and check chain it all goes hand in hand
You do a great job, explaining different problems, and solving them. Watch all your videos and enjoy them. Best of luck,
If you’re testing for low compression, why would you leave that filthy air filter in? You need air to create compression. As a small engine mechanic, I’ve had several mowers come in with plugged air filters, and after I removed the filter they started and ran fine. You need four major items for an engine to run - air, fuel, spark, timing - and number 5 compression.
The big glob in the carb bowl could explain why it ran and then wouldn’t. Gunk will float around and then cover ports intermittently.
Nice catch on the timing!! Great the way you reasoned it through and watched for symptoms that didn’t “seem” to be related. Good job. I think this is a great example of why knowing and remembering to check those five factors I mentioned before is important.
been watching for a long long long time can't remember when i started lmao definitely with you and your brother , love the content have been buying and flipping bikes on the side for quite some time and i gotta say thank you for all the help and great content along the way wouldn't have been possible without you !
Nice job ! After the carb was clean I was worried it was a bigger job. But nicely diagnosed.
One of my favorite videos so far! This is what flipping is all about.. great job man
Great job, just a thought, you said you were going to message the owner to maybe give his machanic a miss for future repairs/work on anything! as they let him down BIG TIME,!!! it would be amazing for you to sell it back to him for what you paid for it plus the parts, plus what ever you would have charged for the work/hours done!! A VID ON YOU RETURNING THE QUAD! just because you can! To know you've helped someone to that level of kindness!! i'm sure would be worth more than any amount of proffit made on selling it to just anyone!! YOUR SUBSCRIBERS WOULD HAVE NEXT LEVEL RESPECT FOR YOU. UNITED KINGDOM.
guy probably doesnt want it back
That was great. A step by step approach and ..... lo and behold, the ATV had to start!
Good for you bro and since you know how to repair it you've saved a lot of money. The first owner must have cursed that mechanic. 😂
Always enjoy your content! Thanks for taking us along on your repairs and thought process. Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks Joe for taking me along. You skills are magnificent. Another great repair. 😊😊😊
loved how you thought it over then came back the next morning with the solution, nice job 😀👍
I had two of them 400 max wheelers an 05 and an 06 the whole time it was running before you got the timing fixed I kept saying it does not sound right. And just like you said when it started after fixing the timing I said awe that sounds better. Great job. Great troubleshooting.
Had one come in here, the dealer mechanic told him it needed new top end, was gonna be just under 3 grand to fix, it was valves to tight, bad timing chain. We did a full top end on it cause rings were crap, did it all with labor for $650.00 with warranty.
I had that exact machine. Make sure you check the front suspension. Mine was shot when I traded it in for a Commander. I didn't even feel any signs that the suspension was bad. That machine rides like a Cadillac!
I had the 500 twin. That seat was so soft. Very comfortable machine. I also got rid of mine after buying a Commander back in 14.
I have the exact same machine which I bought used about 5 years ago. Runs great. Mostly used for snowplowing and work around the house.
I'm sure Vinny would follow you to the ends of the earth, Joe! Great job diagnosing and fixing this quad
I have the same bike so i was interested in see what was wrong in case I ever had an issue. When you were testing it and were manually pull starting it to do the pressure test I wondered how you were pulling it so easy. I thought maybe there was something wrong with my bike because it is crazy hard to pull start. But then it all made sense when you figured it out. Thank you for this video. I learned so much about troubleshooting my bike if needed.
Nice video. Not exactly the way I would have diagnosed it but you still got it figured out in the end!
Right on. I'm going to save this video. I need this just to keep mine on the road and it's old . Thank you
That valve lash will get ya every time. I have done this many times to quads people brought in to the shop. Most of the time its the first thing I check when they say its hard to start, typically people clean the carb in that situation (it never hurts), but setting the valves always did the trick for me.
Although, I am not a mechanic, I enjoy watching your videos. You give me a lot of insight as to what I can do with my own snowmobiles and quads. Now that I have subscribed to your channel, I will most definitely be looking forward to more of your videos.
You are one great mechanic man... great approach of the problems and annalizing. love your vids!
Nice troubleshooting. I had an Outlander Max flip and fought the vaccuum pump for a long time before figuring it out. Thought that was your issue at first, but that timing catch was solid. Nice work
Very impressive diagnosis!
How did you end up at $460, I would have loved to watch that haggle! 🤣 that’s the funnest part of buying stuff like that is picking it apart and trying to knock them down on their price and see how cheap you can get stuff for 👍
the first thing that came to my mind when the value was loose was it jumped timing. i’m glad it was easy to time that beast! nice work
i'm not at all good at mechanics, but learning slowwwly, how could it jump timing ? i'm understanding the chain would have skipped 3 theeths but how ? thanks
I hear it most of the time the engine just sounds off when it jumps time or snaps a belt
Pretty darn good find with this ATV! The fact it even ran with valve timing severely retarded was amazing in itself, great troubleshooting there. Thanks for another good & informative video, Joe!
Absolutely beast of a man. Watching you full videos and learning a lot. One day, I promess, I'll be my own bike mechanic.
Please keep on these vids. Stay safe!
It's crazy to think the dealership couldn't fix it. I deal with that a bunch with freightliner cascadia trucks at work. I've gotten many raises over a decade fixing non fixable trucks. According to the dealership!! Lol good job
Thanks. Enjoyed the session learning a lot. .
Awesome I normally don’t watch this type of stuff but I watched the whole thing. Very very informative and interesting and a lot of work.😊
It would be a true blessing if you would do a two stroke line up the old days I wanna see a remake of the video classic 250s lt250r , 250r , tecate 4 and we all was love to see Charlie 😂
Excellent video! Way to take the mechanic’s diagnosis to task
The Mechanic wasn't completely wrong, it was low compression( due to timing ). I suspect the last time it had a top end rebuild, the rebuilder didn't time it quite right( was off a few teeth ). Awesome video Joe, great diag, got there in the end. I wonder if the timing chain could be stretched a bit?
Joe next time you’re upholstering a seat try cutting a quarter inch groove in the center of that flat head and put half of the flathead under the staple and twist. The torque pulls them out with ease.
Excellent. NOW it is running right. Good job. Still hear clattering on the test ride.
Lmao the moment I heard it was a canam I said to myself "Oh! No wonder they couldn't fix it! Thats your first problem"😂😂😂
I had this same one 12,000 miles on it before I gave it away it was a beast
Wow, someone didn't want to spend time diagnosing. Great job
Great Buy, see Can-Am, but never bought one. Great Job putting the puzzle back together. Special guest star 2Vinny
🤣Like me, so happy it is running - even roughly - you kiss the garage floor knowing a few more twists and running like a watch
wonder when you can get more money from youtube you could fix these and then give them back to the owners? Like surprise them with it and say, it only took this to fix it.
But I know you put a lot of your time into these filming and editing and not to mention the time it takes searching for and getting these quads.
Thanks for the knowledge share!
Do people not know how to troubleshoot anymore? It seems like most of the stuff you fix is pretty simple stuff anyone would discover if they bothered to look. Good work, I dont know why others cant do good work.
It's great to actually watch videos that explain the thought process of troubleshooting and show the steps to repair. Thank you.
Wow, great diagnosis and fix! What a great buy as well👍👍👍
Making three grand on a deal is called a home run. Nice job man❤
Great work especially for your first time working on a Bombardier. 200 psi healthy engine.
It didn’t really take zero dollars because your time is worth something…or to someone who couldn’t physically do the work, they would have to rely on a mechanic to do it for them and shop rates are well over $100/hr now and I’ve seen them as high as $150/hr…so although you got it for a good price and fixed it yourself there was likely a good 10-12 hours of shop time to tune that rig up so at least $1200 worth of labour…which is still a far cry from $3200…his problem is he didn’t get a second opinion which sucked for him but sure helped you..this is why as men we need to be able to fix our own shit!..you lucked out on a good bike for an amazing price and with a little elbow grease and some know how, you scored!..his loss was your gain!..cheers!
Grinds for 10 minutes......
FIRED RIGHT UP! 😂
Outstanding troubleshooting! Really top notch. 😎👍
Joe always impressive man. Don't listen to the comments about abusing the starter. It gives all of us hope that our vintage starters are going to hang on way longer than we expect.
What patience you display!