That tv lift didn’t work 4 weeks ago in the sales video. Salesperson tried twice “whoops, we will just move on”…. And now you did an inspection and nothing fixed? PDI at dealers is a joke/non existent.
One of the reasons I don’t like a Lot of slide outs & especially not when really heavy appliances are located on slide outs . . . Too many potential problems . . .
We ordered a 2023 Dutch Star built in fall of 2022 -We have nothing but issues including a complete electrical failure this past spring which cost $15,000 to repair-Newmar told us to pound sand because we were 4 months past our year warranty-Sorry Newmar -We don’t see the “Difference” 🤯⭐️
C4BO. Great job as usual. For $500,000 do you think they could have slide outs without warped floors? I think I'd run away from that as fast as possible.
Newmar invented the slide. People say they are the slowest but most accurate slides in the industry. Every single late model Newmar that you have inspected lately has problems. You mentioned you’re going to the new factory. I hope you’re going to have a good discussion with them and they will wake up and go back to the way they used to make Coaches. Such a sad state of affairs.
We had a great contact with the top dog in the service department. Yet the new president, appointed by Winnebago, is the ultimate player for the direction they are going to take 🤔 near future will tell us I guess 😶 If it's money driven, we're screwed 🙃 right?
I'm glad I found your videos! Your microphone upgrade (compared to some older videos) is much improved! 😊👌Question: do you see prospective owners experiencing much pushback from sellers agreeing to a refundable deposit? How do buyers effectively approach that negotiation?
If they have a problem with that.....customers changed dealerships. As it turns out to be a red flag of how they will be treating you as a customer when you've signed your papers. Same principle and effect with "we are hiring an outside inspection team" and they forbid such action. Run Forrest 🏃♂️ 🏃♀️ run..... It is no longer like the good old days where sales outfit cared about you as a person....that's ancient history in this day and age 🙄. Being afraid and doubtful is necessary.
Vous faites du bon travail mes amis. One does wonder how much of what you found is due to lot rot and zero upkeep by the dealer. Regardless of the cause, the slide would be a heartache.
That is just unacceptable something has Tobe done about this kind of bullshit oh and buy the way you two are doing a great service for the consumer it looks like you will never be out of a job with this kinda crap that's being built so keep up the good fight u two
Pierre, we went o go see a B Van yesterday. We took our Lakeland Terrier. She found a mouse nest in the B Van. We walked away. Ruby is for hire to inspect B Vans. Her fee - 10 yummies and hour.
Half a million dollars and nobody does quality control checks? I'd love to see you do a video with one of the manufacturers while doing an inspection on their rv's and ask how did that pass the final walk thru
I've been in the market for a used motorhome and your videos are priceless. I've learned so much about what to look for, and yes, I bought the moisture meter and it is amazing.
You are welcome 😊 Find the right one, then make sure to hire a great inspection team to protect your asset. You don't know what you don't know! www.blueoxrvinspection.com
great video. Congrats on hitting 10K subscribers. I am also a fan of REV products. I have had a HR Nautica and now I own a American Tradition 45T. I huge fan of the REV service center in Decatur, IN. They also take care of whatever small issue I have. REV is the best Value in RV versus Newmar, Tiffin and Entregra .
If this was a used model that was say under $85K I wouldn't mind all the "little" things found, but if it is over that price I call in question quality control, because if the little things are okay to slide what does that mean for the non -little things? Not good, because the company has already shown its colors on the little stuff. This is why you seriously need a GOOD team like Blue Ox to spot the obvious "things" that others just don't seem to care about. Don't be stupid get a team you can trust to be on YOUR side, and protect you're self from future "discoveries"
Seen some nice interviews with the new president of Newmar. If you guys are really going to Indiana to the headquarters be nice you guys could talk to the president and give him your insight. Hopefully he’ll listen and take it to heart and make some major changes!
I had a 34k forest river on a seasonal lot and I’d say run even at that price. I was hoping for a call from the campground saying a tree crushed it. Certainly wouldn’t have leaked any less.
That airport is a pain in the butt, if you get an Uber and go to the wrong side you miss your ride! Congratulations on 10k subscribers you should have 50k. Pierre, I’m back looking at fifth wheels the class A’s all seem to be junk nowadays. If that’s a new unit it just proves my point, totally a bust what happened to Newmar quality? Rv looks beautiful but once you unwrap it oh my! Probably Didn’t Inspect for sure or they were counting on the WOW factor!
I know where you were at because we have deal with that dealer last year and they talked a little shady to us so stopped all communication with them!!! Be safe going home and play nice 😂😂😂
It sure looks like the slide out has design issues. A long unsupported span for sure. I would think your job should be looking for manufacturing flaws not having to question the design of a half million dollar unit.
@@blueoxontherun9188 Cool. So how does that work, do you guys go and re-inspect or does the dealer and buyer just go over your report together to be sure everything was corrected?
Yes.Typically customer print his CL list as he goes to pickup his unit going through every items making sure they have been addressed and fixed. That list is what you forwarded to them, with all pix and comments, as a PDF where they promised everything has been fixed from your list 🤣🤣 that you can now verify at moment of pick up
What's $6k, lets say, for saving your ass...ets ? Everyone buys these extended warranty $10k, tire protection $2k, material protection $4k, appliance extended protection $3k, ceramic coating $8k....on and on and on without batting an eye. But Inspection cost??? Oh no, way too much !!! Seriously 😳??? People have got to get their head out of their ass! There's a sucker born every minute...there's a lot of them out there 🙄
Was never a fan of the full wall slide.....to me the physics of it just didn't make sense. While I'm at it ...put multi Plex wiring on that list as well. 👎. If you are buying a coach in this price range and aren't able to do factory delivery.....plan on bringing it to the manufacturers service facility with your laundry list ......dealing with dealer service ends up being a waste of time and just leads to aggravation.
You hear Newmar and You think top of the line. But You get an Inspection and You get Problems. What is Going on where a Top of the Line RV i not Perfect? Oh it's not a 2 Million Dollars Bus
Another cement pad mattress at that price 😮 Does any dealer do a true PDI ? Evidently not regardless of price . A no go for me . Who wants issues from day one ?
I want a machine that breaks from normal wear and tear. Not manufacturer broke on arrival. Side note use something besides fingers when showing space on a slide floor in case of unexpected failure. Won't need a nail salon if that happened. Keep telling us like it is!!!!!
A half of million dollar piece of garbage an u just walked into it they look so cheaply made what the hell happened to the RV industry I would rather spend $100k or more on a 2000 thru 2007 beaver or country coach or maybe a holiday rambler foretravler Newell before I would even consider buying a brannew motor home today
I think what happened is the banks became wide open on loans starting around 2019 and manufacturers saw a $$$ opportunity to rake it in without empathy for the buyers IMHO
That tv lift didn’t work 4 weeks ago in the sales video. Salesperson tried twice “whoops, we will just move on”…. And now you did an inspection and nothing fixed? PDI at dealers is a joke/non existent.
Probably
Didn't
Inspect
One of the reasons I don’t like a Lot of slide outs & especially not when really heavy appliances are located on slide outs . . . Too many potential problems . . .
They need to put a lil more attention to structure for sure
We ordered a 2023 Dutch Star built in fall of 2022 -We have nothing but issues including a complete electrical failure this past spring which cost $15,000 to repair-Newmar told us to pound sand because we were 4 months past our year warranty-Sorry Newmar -We don’t see the “Difference” 🤯⭐️
Ouch 😳
Great Job, c4bo. We're keeping our 2017 newmar canyon star with liquid spring. Our kitchen does not slide out, just the bedroom and dinette and couch.
Thank you. 👋🙂. Absolutely love the pride and care both of you give to your profession. A standard America used to have. Thanks again for the hope. ✌️😉
Right? Missing the good old days when you could trust an agreement or a hand shake
Thank you for sharing this review of a new Newmar Dutchstar being sold at Transwest. Wow! 😬
lol
We have a Thor pusher, and I know, I know, it’s a Thor but, it works, it’s paid for, and we love it. Newmar hasn’t been looking so good lately.
They definitely have been struggling with consistency
C4BO. Great job as usual. For $500,000 do you think they could have slide outs without warped floors? I think I'd run away from that as fast as possible.
I'm always glad I watch your posts.... ❤
What happened to Nemare?? I am surprised that the slide is on slide pads vrs rollers?? Your Newmar videos make me glad I have a Bounder!! Great vid!!
You were close to me! You give the facts for sure
Congrats on the 10K subscribers!
We appreciate all of you 🙏
Newmar invented the slide. People say they are the slowest but most accurate slides in the industry. Every single late model Newmar that you have inspected lately has problems. You mentioned you’re going to the new factory. I hope you’re going to have a good discussion with them and they will wake up and go back to the way they used to make Coaches. Such a sad state of affairs.
We had a great contact with the top dog in the service department. Yet the new president, appointed by Winnebago, is the ultimate player for the direction they are going to take 🤔 near future will tell us I guess 😶
If it's money driven, we're screwed 🙃 right?
Ouch Newmar! Transwest did not do a PDI before putting this on the Lot. I’ll bet they were going to charge for it.
Appreciate the detail you put into your inspections. I've learned alot about what I don't know !!
I'm glad I found your videos! Your microphone upgrade (compared to some older videos) is much improved! 😊👌Question: do you see prospective owners experiencing much pushback from sellers agreeing to a refundable deposit? How do buyers effectively approach that negotiation?
If they have a problem with that.....customers changed dealerships. As it turns out to be a red flag of how they will be treating you as a customer when you've signed your papers.
Same principle and effect with "we are hiring an outside inspection team" and they forbid such action.
Run Forrest 🏃♂️ 🏃♀️ run.....
It is no longer like the good old days where sales outfit cared about you as a person....that's ancient history in this day and age 🙄.
Being afraid and doubtful is necessary.
Vous faites du bon travail mes amis. One does wonder how much of what you found is due to lot rot and zero upkeep by the dealer. Regardless of the cause, the slide would be a heartache.
They definitely need some TLC 😉
One would think that at the entry price for a Dutchstar ,one should not have any problems. In the RV industry apparently this isn't true
Reason why you need a competent RV Inspection team
Seems like your customers are being smart. Smart people hire inspectors to make sure they are not getting taken. Smart people hire Blue Ox!!
You got it Mr Mark! 👍
Great inspection
Thank you 😊
That is just unacceptable something has Tobe done about this kind of bullshit oh and buy the way you two are doing a great service for the consumer it looks like you will never be out of a job with this kinda crap that's being built so keep up the good fight u two
At this rhythm, it is definitely job security 🙄
Pierre, we went o go see a B Van yesterday. We took our Lakeland Terrier. She found a mouse nest in the B Van.
We walked away. Ruby is for hire to inspect B Vans. Her fee - 10 yummies and hour.
Find her a teamate and have her apply for our "Endorsed" program. She might have a shot! 😊
@@blueoxontherun9188
LOL
Great review. I think i'll stick with my 2019 Newmar.
And....if you need service, go to Nappanee! It's well worth the time!
Half a million dollars and nobody does quality control checks? I'd love to see you do a video with one of the manufacturers while doing an inspection on their rv's and ask how did that pass the final walk thru
We already did, not a video, but asked as we were there why this or this was not to a T,....ohh they'll fix that right away 🤔 ohhh, now they will
i am not in shock. This is everywhere. One of problems is they pay salespeople nothing. they pay warehouse workers nothing. what do you expect.
Yet top dogs in the Corp pocket unseen quarterly profits 🤔
Love Pierre's thoroughness with the slides! The team's knowledge-base is through the roof! Another great inspection!
We appreciate you 🙏
I've been in the market for a used motorhome and your videos are priceless. I've learned so much about what to look for, and yes, I bought the moisture meter and it is amazing.
You are welcome 😊
Find the right one, then make sure to hire a great inspection team to protect your asset. You don't know what you don't know!
www.blueoxrvinspection.com
great video. Congrats on hitting 10K subscribers. I am also a fan of REV products. I have had a HR Nautica and now I own a American Tradition 45T. I huge fan of the REV service center in Decatur, IN. They also take care of whatever small issue I have. REV is the best Value in RV versus Newmar, Tiffin and Entregra .
If this was a used model that was say under $85K I wouldn't mind all the "little" things found, but if it is over that price I call in question quality control, because if the little things are okay to slide what does that mean for the non -little things? Not good, because the company has already shown its colors on the little stuff. This is why you seriously need a GOOD team like Blue Ox to spot the obvious "things" that others just don't seem to care about. Don't be stupid get a team you can trust to be on YOUR side, and protect you're self from future "discoveries"
Right on brother!
Well said!
Seen some nice interviews with the new president of Newmar. If you guys are really going to Indiana to the headquarters be nice you guys could talk to the president and give him your insight. Hopefully he’ll listen and take it to heart and make some major changes!
We have a video we just did Wednesday when we were there...to follow 😉
That a walk away. If they don't fix all the problems.
I'll follow up, but I think they are awaiting to see if they are going to fix everything then move forward 🙂
$500k, run Forest … run
I had a 34k forest river on a seasonal lot and I’d say run even at that price. I was hoping for a call from the campground saying a tree crushed it. Certainly wouldn’t have leaked any less.
Ouch 😳 🤣
That airport is a pain in the butt, if you get an Uber and go to the wrong side you miss your ride! Congratulations on 10k subscribers you should have 50k. Pierre, I’m back looking at fifth wheels the class A’s all seem to be junk nowadays. If that’s a new unit it just proves my point, totally a bust what happened to Newmar quality? Rv looks beautiful but once you unwrap it oh my! Probably Didn’t Inspect for sure or they were counting on the WOW factor!
That's it!!! They all do, yet you got to look beyond the glitters...
C4BO. Remember Yogi Berra:When you get to a fork in the road take it .🥳🥰
Pierre, It's only a motorhome and 500K, I'm leaving is 2 hours, I will pick it up, :)
And they tell you it's ready, after putting nice smelly candle sent and wipe counters with Fabuloso 🙄
I know where you were at because we have deal with that dealer last year and they talked a little shady to us so stopped all communication with them!!! Be safe going home and play nice 😂😂😂
How 🤔 ❓️ Share with us if you may
It sure looks like the slide out has design issues. A long unsupported span for sure. I would think your job should be looking for manufacturing flaws not having to question the design of a half million dollar unit.
Right??
Was it a bust or a buy? (Bust for me given the slide issue). Congratulations on 10k! C4BO
They are waiting on the results as the dealer took our list and said they would fix everything 🙃 we'll see.
@@blueoxontherun9188 Cool. So how does that work, do you guys go and re-inspect or does the dealer and buyer just go over your report together to be sure everything was corrected?
Yes.Typically customer print his CL list as he goes to pickup his unit going through every items making sure they have been addressed and fixed.
That list is what you forwarded to them, with all pix and comments, as a PDF where they promised everything has been fixed from your list 🤣🤣 that you can now verify at moment of pick up
You were so close! I am in Loveland north of there.
You should have come to see us 😉
Sad that Newmar can't deliver a 0 defect coach.
I don’t want those issues on even a 100k unit!!! ;-)
this is one costly inspection. paying airfare plus expenses plus inspection BUT I WOULD PAY YALL TOO for half million.
What's $6k, lets say, for saving your ass...ets ?
Everyone buys these extended warranty $10k, tire protection $2k, material protection $4k, appliance extended protection $3k, ceramic coating $8k....on and on and on without batting an eye. But Inspection cost??? Oh no, way too much !!!
Seriously 😳??? People have got to get their head out of their ass!
There's a sucker born every minute...there's a lot of them out there 🙄
HOUSTON! lol
Was never a fan of the full wall slide.....to me the physics of it just didn't make sense. While I'm at it ...put multi Plex wiring on that list as well. 👎. If you are buying a coach in this price range and aren't able to do factory delivery.....plan on bringing it to the manufacturers service facility with your laundry list ......dealing with dealer service ends up being a waste of time and just leads to aggravation.
My opinion as well!
You hear Newmar and You think top of the line. But You get an Inspection and You get Problems. What is Going on where a Top of the Line RV i not Perfect? Oh it's not a 2 Million Dollars Bus
What do you think? would the new potential owner spotted any of those issues? I think not..Well worth the cost of the Blue Ox inspection.
Im shocked newmar prices dont equate to newmar quality on this rig. Man i love winnebago, but this is an early winnebago buyout motorhome.
Hoping Winnie is going to set the bar back to "impressive" soon right?
Oh no... Newmar is good but not that one. Ummmmm, something in my head is screaming walk away......
He's probably going ahead as he was promised to have every findings addressed and corrected...we'll see 👀 😉
just watched rv inspector say BUY A DUTCH STAR. LOL but he never shows any of his inspections. he just chit chats in his ac office. lol
Who is that Angie?
C4BO!
500k! That’s a bust for me!
Me too!
@@scott5280 me too
I wouldn't buy any motorhome that has been built since Covid. My 2013 Newmar Ventana is perfect !
Out of my price range, but I wouldn't buy it. It's only going to get worse 😮 over time.
How disappointing, as I expected better of that particular dealer. Newmar certainly dropped the ball on those slides. I'd pass.
4CBO
Another cement pad mattress at that price 😮 Does any dealer do a true PDI ? Evidently not regardless of price . A no go for me . Who wants issues from day one ?
Pdis are a joke, i would never expect that to give me any info i dont know.
It's a selling point to make you feel good about their dedication 🤣 right 😄
A definite bust
I want a machine that breaks from normal wear and tear. Not manufacturer broke on arrival. Side note use something besides fingers when showing space on a slide floor in case of unexpected failure. Won't need a nail salon if that happened. Keep telling us like it is!!!!!
Right??
Money pit….pass
Hmmm... another bust very quickly...
Too bad you don’t do B Vans.
I leave that to physically smaller people that can fit in there and need the experience.
BASH THEM ? if this was my rv i GUARANTEE you i be bashing for 500k MH they knew was trash if they spent 5 minutes in it
Right??
C4BO
It’s a bust. Poor quality from Newmar
A bust for newmar , definitely will be looking at 2000 to 2009 nothing newer .
Up to 18, you have good consistency
C4bo
Another bust! You were leaving when?!Lol
c4bo
Soo much money for Soo much POOR quality, amazing.
You said it!
A half of million dollar piece of garbage an u just walked into it they look so cheaply made what the hell happened to the RV industry I would rather spend $100k or more on a 2000 thru 2007 beaver or country coach or maybe a holiday rambler foretravler Newell before I would even consider buying a brannew motor home today
I think what happened is the banks became wide open on loans starting around 2019 and manufacturers saw a $$$ opportunity to rake it in without empathy for the buyers IMHO
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