Super C RV nightmare: a tale of troubles
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What will the manufacturer do about Jim and Joann's defective RV?
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Hello Liz. This just blows my mind. We have a 23 year old Montana 5th wheel, and while there have been the normal RV issues, it is 100% solid. I am so glad there is someone like you to stand up to the corporations on behalf of the regular folks just trying to enjoy life. I truly hope that your channel is going to start a compass shift within the industry.
Who in their right mind would buy any new unit after watching these testimonials?
Much appreciated Liz!! Thank you for exposing the companies that sell trash.
My advice to everyone is, bring your own trusted inspector.
We have a 2021 Grand Design Reflection Travel Trailer 315 RLTS 38" and we have not been on a trouble free trip yet since we owned it. (We bought used in 2022) I can fix just about anything and will continue to replace bad quality parts with much better parts. I'm a retired plumbing contractor. I've replaced slide out motor to dining room, replaced refrigerator circuit board, replaced refrigerator propane solenoid, replaced all the cheap water hoses with real pex piping ended up repiping the whole RV with pex pipe and brass fittings instead of plastic fittings, replaced falling off molding with real wood, replaced dining slide ski, replaced broken outlets with residential outlets, replaced stove thermocouple, floor heater vents came apart and reconnected with screws and aluminum tape, replaced propane leaking at diverter valve with new, cheap bath faucet replaced with new Price Pfister faucet, rebuilt leaking toilet with new parts, fireplace remote not working have not replaced, one of the 2 axles bent going over bad roads in Illinois have not replaced yet, axle has a rating of 5200 lbs for a trailer with a 10,995 GVWR, I will replace with a higher rated axle. Installed wheels under the bedroom slide to keep it from damaging the vinyl flooring. Installed some paneling with real wood paneling stained to match, stabilizers are a joke I use 6 ton jacks to stabilize the RV. As time goes on this RV will be well built. Good thing I can do all the repairs otherwise I would not be RVing.
You almost rebuilt the whole RV 😂😂😂why not buy a salvage one for couple thousands..if got that skills..save you tons of dollars
I appreciate the fact that you're able to replace, fix or upgrade items in your RV yourself. Although I'm not as handy as you are but my problem is I have no place to work on my RV accept when I'm at a RV park. I live in a 55+ gated community with a HOA that only allows 48 hours to load or unload. That time window only gives me time to load all or stuff and not much time for anything else. I can get all the safety checks done but not much in maintenance to upgrades. I'm jealous of the people that live in rural American on large lots that can keep their RV in storage plugged in next to their house fully loaded and ready to go. Every time we go somewhere it's like moving into a small apartment.
Wow- I’m astonished. That is a crazy amount of work. My handy hubby has done several “upgrades “ to the cheap factory junk but nothing close to this, thank goodness so far. Good luck to you all.
$250,000….every time I watch one of Liz’s RV disaster videos, I thank God I decided not to purchase these piles of junk
What did you buy then ???
Endless cozy nights at the Hampton Inn thank you very much
@@brockcochran3304a hotel room
And the run around these poor buyers have to endure is ridiculous.
@@brockcochran3304 …..nothing. I kept my money in my brokerage account and I’m better for it. It’s sad that in this day and age, there’s so much out there about these RVs and people still get duped. Caveat Emptor.
Great job Liz! You are making the RV industry accountable!
I think the folks Liz has helped get a buyback should 'donate' 1-3% of the amount to Liz to help keep this TH-cam channel going. Liz uses her own resources (besides the mattress ad) to help others, it's only fair and the right thing to do. C'mon folks, acknowledge Liz for her efforts. Wasn't she worth it?
why? she's already making a side income on the ads that appear on her channel!! You apparently don't know how having a Monetized TH-cam channel works! :-)
@@itzanopinion That side income from YT isn't much. It used to be, not anymore. But let's go beyond that for a minute though. Liz is acting as their advocate and, let's face it, without her those owners would never have gotten a buyback. Never. Ever. Nada. Zilch. They would've been screwed with a capital S, right in the @ss. Ouch! You & I both know that. What if that was your POS motorhome/trailer? What's that worth to you? These videos are more than just informative, they are a lifeline to those who need help. How much would these folks pay for an attorney to settle their case? Cha Ching! 1-3% is a bargain in my eyes, and in my wallet. Liz's hard work is worth every friggin' dollar. Folks just need to do the right thing and give her some support to keep this channel going.
I feel like for things like this where repairs take months, the manufacturer warranty should be frozen while the RV is in the shop. Especially given how short the warranties are for things costing oftentimes in the 6 figures.
_"The manufacturer warranty should be frozen while the RV is in the shop."_
It is. That's the law. 😊
@@Milesco good to know!
Look at this sweet older couple, this is what we should all strive to do at that age, be worry free and traveling in a beautiful motor home. This is sad, as a younger guy, I’d really love to have one of these , Liz gives me hope that by the time I buy one, the kinks will be worked out.
I'm beginning to think a Congestoga wagon with four horses was the high point in RV production.
It's definitely way overdue for the RV industry to wake up and start taking care of their customers. Thanks for watching!
Nothing should leave the factory without everything being honesty signed off. Manufacturers should reward their workers for units not coming back to the factory and give more training and discipline when units are returned because of poor QC. When workers are charged back for poor quality, maybe quality will be more consistent.
Good on you Jayco for doing the right thing.
I wonder what will happen to that shitty RV the buy back. Will they scrap it or make a “quick fix” and sell it as a factory refurbished model to another customer. In fact, Jayco should not only buy the crap back, they shold stop production of all new RV until they have analysed the root cause of all those serious issues on the vehicle and resolved them properly.
They only did it because the heat was on them. If Liz wasn’t involved this outcome wouldn’t be as it is, YAY LIZ!
Scotty from Star Trek 3: "The more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..." I have a 2007 Winnebago B that I've thought about upgrading, but its trouble free, inexpensive, and still looks great. Not the fanciest, but after hearing your horror stories, I'm staying put. Thanks!
Liz, you are doing the right thing. Thank you for doing all you can to improve the quality and customer-focused commitment of the RV industry…especially Thor, Lippert and Tiffin.
Glad Jayco did the right thing by buying back their junk. Thank you, Liz. Your work is amazing.
We’ve been full time in a fifth wheel since 2015, first a Montana High Country, now a Riverstone. We’ve toyed with the idea of a super C, but between the cost, interest rates, and lousy reliability, we’ll put a little money into our current rig fixing a few things and keep on keepin’ on.
Is it Jayco or Joke-Oh! After WW II J. Edwards Demming went to Japan and taught them how to ensure quality production. Japan later became synonymous with quality and durability and still is. The RV industry needs a J. Edwards Demming.
Exactly Quality Costs Less in the Long Run
In addition to that, the industry needs to be placed under the NHTSA supervision/requirements. That way product recalls can be used to legitimize the industry.
Good job Liz. I am glad the manufacturers are starting to respond. But the real response is not making defective products.
The factory caulking on the roof is terrible. A serious quality control issue there. Glad to hear they will be made whole again.
I appreciate what you are doing for people that deserve to be treated SO much better. I cannot imagine being my age (70) and getting completely ripped off for much of my life savings AND not have the expected simple comforts of home. These companies need to DO BETTER and I am grateful for you helping their victims.
Liz’s videos are such a paradox for me. I had always thought about RV’ing and Ms. Amazing has done it for years, but now I won’t consider it due to her videos detailing the problems. Much respect to you, Liz. I’m a fan and wish your subscribers the best with their RV’s. I bought a cabin instead.
What a shame - such a beautiful rig! So glad this couple got a buy back. The owner has a great recall of events with his commentary and videos. You, Liz, once again did an AMAZING job!
Can you imagine the problems people are having with there RVs? The laws need to be changed. There needs to be a lemon law for all RVs. That’s where your efforts need to be Liz. Start a following of people to emailing their senators. That’s the only thing that will work. The manufacturers will not change unless there is a lemon law. People stop buying newer RVs . People be forewarned don’t buy don’t buy until laws are changed. This is not a time to be buying RVs. Save your money invest your money where it will grow.
And if that doesn’t work, then the people need to get together in every state and create a ballot proposition. Circumvent the politicians who are likely receiving campaign donations to stop these kind of consumer protections.
So glad our coach (NOT a jayco) has only had one issue- second day of ownership our fridge died. It was replaced the next day.
Congratulations Liz on the buy back.
Thanks for working so hard Liz.
Bought a new 2024 Renegade. A few minor problems, but nothing that the great dealer (Trailers of the East Coast) couldn’t handle. I think its key to avoid Thor.
a lot of trouble heard of Thor
@@nobamaeveragain2012 a Renegade is also over double the price in comparison. It better be built to a higher standard.
Great story Liz , I do not think i will now buy a motor home, my parents had one while growing up, but after watching some of your videos , I do not wants to waste my time and $$$$$
Seriously, how ridiculous.....$250,000 for a vehicle.....
WYPIPO GOT THE MONEY TO BLOW!
For some of us, it’s our home.
@@mikes-wv3em BLKPIPO are clueless if they think that most white people can afford to buy a rig worth this kind of money.
Some people are absolute idiots and trust people in an untrusty world and always has been.
@@BG-gk6jf The buyers are not at fault here. When you buy a brand new rig for $250,000, it is not unreasonable to have faith that it is not a piece of junk that will immediately start to fall apart.
I assume you live in a house or apartment, and trust that the builders built it in such a way that the roof doesn't fall on your head at night. Or are you an absolute idiot for putting such trust in the builders in an untrusty world?
Thank you Liz! People just want what they pay for!
People save for their retirement years and to have it be a nightmare experience is HORRIBLE.
I personally helped build that RV and I stand probably behind Jayco and their quality!
Sounds like Jayco stood behind it, good company
Sounds like more training and quality control is needed at the RV factory! Glad they got a good resolution!
Indeed. Sounds like nowhere to go but up. Thanks for watching.
You want a real thrill, go on a tour of a factory. Not a high end, but a normal line. Montana, Jay Flight, etc. It’s eye opening.
We have a 2024 Entegra coach 37M and our water heater was not supported and fell out as well, Jayco did cover the issue but didn't except that it was installed correctly. We also have had the cab area water leak and compartment doors will not open when the levelers are down, and our driver side leveler went out the first trip. We love our coach and so far none of the issues have stopped us from using the coach. We now have a stress crack in the body. We have been fortunate that Jayco and our customer service person is great to work with (Phylicia) have been acknowledging the issues and have agreed to take it back to the factory to fix them. As for now, we our grateful and look forward to Jayco fixing the problems. We have owed many RV's of different brands and the issues happen with all of them, it's how they take care of you after the sale is what matter's. It was nice to hear your dealer stood up for these people, we on the other hand haven't had that.
Good work Liz and props to Jayco for backing their product.
I am glad Jayco did the buy back, but am I am really disappointed that Jayco sold out to the devil when they sold out Thor. Jayco’s reputation and quality has gone downhill ever since they made the decision to let Thor take over manufacturing.
Wow what a disastrous experience for such a beautiful coach!
I have been in the RV Factories and Many of the Problems are from the Goofballs working in the Factory,Many should not be building Dog Houses!!!
Yet "All Problems" Start at the Top and IGNORANCE Trickles DOWN!!! PROPER TRAINING IN THE JOB POSITION MUST BE A PRIORITY!!! MANY OF THE PARTS ARE IMPORTED And Quality Control in other countries is not great!!!
All Finished RV's Must be checked, weather checked,water systems and all structures checked and Electrical!!!
Never back Down when you are Right,Help is Available!!! Fight for it!!!❤😊
Liz, on behalf of all of us in the RV owning fraternity I can’t thank you enough for your efforts in helping people out with this terrible situations.
The thing we all need to do is stop buying new for an entire year, this will send a clear message to the manufacturers that they must simply BUILD THEM BETTER.
We, for one, would not buy new.
Good job Liz. Consumers are fed up with rv manufacturers and their lousy quality.
Liz, hopefully these folks are taking care of you financially for all your hard work. Can’t do better than a buy back.
Happy Weekend!😊
I know it! I know they are so pleased. Thanks for watching.
We rented one once & learned our lesson never again will we step in one.
WOW , LIZ You are on your game and thank God for folks like you helping an otherwise Terrible situations. Keep on...
Lemon Laws need to be created to put an end to this. Once manufacturers loose more money than they make selling junk, the quality will improve.
Love your videos Liz.
Keep up the great work spreading the word
Great resolution, Liz, you are certainly providing invaluable assistance to RVers by holding manufacturers' feet to the fire! Maybe what these RV manufacturers need to do is hire independent, third-party inspectors to review their work before the units ever leave the factory! Too many of these problems are potentially life-threatening issues, such as incorrectly installed hot water heaters, propane gas lines, missing major components, these are flat out inexcusable, disastrously poorly done examples! Who the heck ever passed these problems as "acceptable"?! They really show that manufacturers don't care about their customers! Credit to NIRVC, though, for standing with the customer!
Liz, you do a great job. Nothing is going to change the greed, and the dealerships know that they sell junk. They don't care about customers, and they will just sell this junk and build another one. Problems we don't care. Thanks to you Liz I lost interest in ownership of any RV all junk. My suggestion to all new potential buyers is don't do it. Do not flush your $$$ down the toilet. Find a new hobby to enjoy your life, not add stress to it. Buy a Harley Davison buy a Honda Gold-Wing Touring and enjoy life. Check out the three-wheel Can-Am amazing. Plus, they get over 40 MPG'S and life is great without the pile of crap that cost $500,000 or more or less that you know is going to fall apart and break down and not be built properly. All brands of RVs no matter what they say, are junk no such thing as a high quality RV they are all pieces of garbage. And they were all break down and they will all have problems even if they did the job, correct not worth the stress.
Liz, thanks for doing your part in resolving these problems! (that never should have happened at all!)'
I am so happy that in New Zealand we have the consumer guaranty Act. means a product should not break within the time it was designed for. so tat goes what over the warranty. If it breaks down the seller needs to fix it or replace it. If replaced the warranty and the Act start again from new. For my motorhome it means all wall are replaced 8 years after the purchase as the foam did not cure correctly. Took 2x 4 months but did not cost me a cent.
.. ( 16:46 ) .. Five-Buybacks is Something to Celebrate .. Great Work "Liz" ..🙏😇🥰
Thanks Donald!!! Feel free to share this video to help get the word out.
Great job, Liz. very professional. Keep it up
Guess I will keep my 2007 Forest River TT. Seventeen years old, all original equipment and everything works, no maintenance besides roof and awning. If I had a spare $250k, I would camp in my old trailer and stay in really nice hotels when I didn't feel like camping.
Same for us, First we upgraded to a dually 3500 truck from a F250.
We also only buy G-rated tires for our 5ver. Our 13 year old Cyclone has many up grades as well, new frig, new roof, new marine upholstery. the water pump was replaced after 11 years, but it was not broken. We also fixed our furnace. If you research it, there are only 3 parts if you replace them, the heater will work.
Upgraded to disc brakes(traveled to a certified tech's home to have, all work performed in less than a day. He made a little mini RV campground on his property for his customers. We got to stay the weekend with full hookups.
RV dealers said they couldn't do the work, or we have one person who stalled one. New leaf springs and shackles(they were not broken)
We even did a toy hauler extension, and added 2 feet to the garage, now our toy hauler is 27 feet. It fits our new 2 seater Can-am with full front and rear bumpers. Off course we took out the heavy bunk beds, to fit our total garage weight limit.
We are so happy with our 5Ver, and the price tag was only 52K out the door. We actually got 20K off the price, with great negotiations. People don't realize you can go to the manufacture/RV dealers in Indiana, and buy the model you want way cheaper.
Thank goodness we have people like you Liz to help others out in a time of need. Thank you so much.
You are so welcome, Jamie. I'm glad you're here and so appreciate your support. Feel free to share this video and thanks for watching.
Liz you are doing an "Amazing" job.
.. Its best for people to buy used, or an RV that’s like an EarthRoamer, or, have a custom built tiny house to tow on trips. These types are worth the money & RVers can enjoy the great outdoors in a 100% solid durable & dependable RV.
The frame is warped. In fact, I believe the warp is causing extra stress on that hydraulic 90 elbow joint. You drive away, hit a small bump, pushes that joint over the limit and breaks it because the warped frame took any slack it should have.
We so love our Renegade and this is beyond sad.
Im glad they got a buyback.
That water heater issue was a particularly egregious omission that absolutely could have lead to a needless tragedy and potential high dollar lawsuit (I would imagine).
Whoever was involved in the decision to send units out like that needs to lose their job. Not only a potential danger to the public, their reckless decision making presents a serious liability to the company!
With that said, great job Liz, it’s encouraging to see another couple taken care of.
Just tour the factory and you will see young people working as fast as their drugs will allow them. Even the RV industry has tapped into the hight schools begging them to come work with them. Most employees only stay long enough to switch company a month later for a job across the street that pays 60 cents more an hour. Who knows how long Bob was installing something wrong before someone catches the problem, you think they go back to correct something that's already been shipped out. The dealers receive RV's with problems from transportation. The dealer and factory argue back and forwards who is the blame. Dealer will not pay money out if their pocket to fix something they believe the factory was responsible for. The dealer has to wait for the customer to to find the problem so it can be easily fixed under warranty. The whole RV industry needs to be fix by having qualified inspectors that follow a federal law like the auto industry. But that hasn't happened yet. It would put all the small RV factory's out of business. RV industry spends millions on fighting and lobbying for no regulations.
@@EarlBalentinethat is the uncomfortable truth 😢
My opinion and based on my own experiences : regardless of price, all RV’s are prone to issues. Do your research on the model you want, get an inspection, and know, it will NEVER function as smoothly as your home. There will be more maintenance and more repairs .
For me, I love the travel/camping lifestyle and will continue as long as possible ( 38 years experience at this)
I am so glad Jayco stepped up for these folks. I think the manufacturers are starting to realize social media channels like yours are exposing industry problems.
Personally, I’ve seen one of our local dealers working hard to improve their service department and their response time.
Thank you and keep up the good work
Amazing! Such nice people and how amazingly patient they were when a manufacturer points the finger back at the consumer for a new product in most cases. It’s the product why most? Well, there’s always the didn’t follow the instructions so it failed.
So as a EE this gentleman knew his stuff they have been incredibly forgiving of so much
Your help so wonderful to hear how one woman, one person with bulldog, determination, and laser. Focus is able to help so many in a very interesting securities way you’ve helped restore my optimism in man one person helping another. I’m so glad that you’re here and that you’ve been able to help one other person times many! The way you set up your stories is terrific hearing directly from the consumer and what they’ve done and the efforts they put in overall from story a story people that you’ve highlighted have put in way more effort than expected and have been so much more patient than many of us would be I’m wondering, Lyz, your thoughts on how to upscale the work that you do? It’s incredible and incredibly rewarding the end stage you get with these manufacturers, but this is barely a drop in the bucket of people that have been injured metaphorically and perhaps sometimes physically by their NEW motorhomes.
What are your thoughts on how to help more people who’s just spent their hard earned $$ on expensive RVs? This takes nothing away from the hard work you’ve done. This is merely a question of OK. You have a model here that has seemed to have been actually not seemed has been effective actually has been effective in getting work by consensus we would say is a appropriate resolution for these customers . So how can this model of consumer purchasing RVs that are defective be able to resolved for more people your thoughts?
My confusion is centered around. Why do they feel they need to purchase a new RV? The house always has the advantage buying an RV is a gamble!
I would certainly recommend these good people look at spending a weekend or a number of days checking out used RVs from a private party.
My understanding is that from around 2019 or 2020 until present. The industry has not been putting out solid, dependable, motorhomes, and travel trailers largely because of a shortage of workers. The problems that you have been describing our endemic of the industry and by enlarge when you’re spending under $1 million or under 1,000,000 1/2 you’re looking at factories that have the same problem and management that looks to the bottom line in quantity of vehicles versus the top end motorhome manufacturers That charge top rate building significant profit that allow them to spend time with each vehicle enough time and check appropriately. When Jayco took their vehicle back to the factory and they didn’t notice a water heater that wasn’t secured what stupidity, or what laziness they have why would you not Check from front bumper to rear bumper on a vehicle that is coming in on a problem with other documented problems why would Jay Cole not spend time? Why would they not spend the time testing everything to ensure they do not see this vehicle again and the customer applaud them for doing an amazing job of taking care of an issue?
Do they, or do other customers think that Jayco or any manufacturer having had this vehicle in for repair of serious issues from the first few days of purchase and they didn’t even take the time for themselves at least not even for the customer, but for themselves to ensure that This vehicle does not come back to the shop because they have gone through it with a fine tooth comb! Why would these folks or anyone trust this manufacture when they had a chance to resolve the issue and pick up other problems that were there obvious and not fix themWhy would you not trust them with a new vehicle purchase?
Hi Steve! Thanks so much for being here and for your kind words. What is happening is that these videos are empowering others to see what is possible. For example, when Harley and Ramona asked for a buyback from Alliance, they were told Alliance NEVER does that. I contacted Alliance and they were given a buyback. Another couple watched that video and pushed Alliance to buy theirs back, and they got it!
And, yes so many changes need to be made across the board in the RV industry. Thanks for watching and stay tuned!
I know it sounds good to say quality control but most people have no idea how a quality system works. I worked for an industry leading company and whenever something seemed to go wrong everyone would demand that people double and triple check each others work, that's not how quality works. You must determine the root cause of the problem and fix it. In these RV cases I'd bet the systemic problem is the company leadership. They are cutting corners and gambling that people will accept the problems.
Great video! Keep spreading the word!
*Thank YOU Liz!!*
Welcome to RVing! Systematic.
Great job Liz!! Although! We think you should start a Non Profit Organization so people can contribute too for helping them.
We’re senior citizens and we bought a van and we’re running betting ourselves so we’ll have what we want. I won’t have to worry about frame problems or anything along that line. Keep it simple.
All these nightmares. I'd never buy any RV. Terrible and horrific. It's not $20. Terrible customer service. What a horrific story. The stress and agitation this lovely couple experienced can never be compensated. Just horrific nightmare.
Agree. You'd have to be a gambler to do RV "life". 1,000 x worse than boats & you know the old saying about boats! Heck, just go to Vegas people, better odds😅
Great Job Liz 🎉😊
Wonderful job, Liz. Where would these people be without you?? Without your access to the contacts you have established and the 'insider' info you have, I'm sure all of these cases I've watched on your channel probably would not have been resolved - or certainly not resolved to the customer's satisfaction. I hope you are getting well paid for your services.
so glad for your channel cause this is helps many others looking to buy or in the same situation.I know want to stick to buying a used RV from the 90's or back seems those ar more sound made
Great work! I'm amazed at your results! I hope those you help remember to be gracious when you get them a win.
Thank you!! I definitely appreciate any donations!
Your channel is amazing, well done Liz
I think the main thing is for enough states to amend their lemon laws so that RV's are covered and they manufacturer's can't simply leave 1 or 2 states. Replacing the jack 4 times would have kicked a car's lemon law into effect.
WAY TO GO LIZ! KUDOS TO YOU. YOU'RE DOING A HELL-OF A GOOD JOB, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
You are on a roll Liz, well done!
Thank you much! So glad to be using my channel as a force of good. Have a great week!
...If it's got More than Two Wheels ... RUN FOREST RUNNnnn!
One option is to have a 3rd party (impartial) inspector that's on-call & build that into the price of the RV & if that charge gets reduced/negotiated down or off, then have buyer sign a "waiver", releasing Seller of ALL liability other than future failure of covered items/components.
I can’t even begin to imagine the desperation these people must feel after spending that kind of money. These stories really scare me out the RV life. Liz you’re doing noble work.
Thanks for your support, Alex! Yes, it's a crying shame for folks to spend their whole lives saving up for this...only to end up with a nightmare. You should see my inbox!!! Thanks for watching.
Look used.
@@billmalec with a very good inspection, by a reputable inspector!
@@alexc1287 or someone with knowledge of RVs and mechanically inclined. I've bought 5 campers in our lifetime and had very little problems. My latest and hopefully the last is a 2008 Jayco Grey Hawk that had only 7,100 miles on as of Jan 2024. Basically zero problems but I look them in detail and won't buy until they are set up for use as I try everything out.
I can’t believe people are this gullible. $320 k 😂 wtf 😳, how?
Thank you for what you are doing to hold the industry accountable. I pray for your safety 🙏
Hi liz....Thor again.... Lord have mercy.... People need to stop buying Thor products.... Great job lady...J&A2ofus
Thor is the #1 seller since they are so big. I do hope they have big changes planned in the near future. Thanks for your support, J&A and have a great weekend!
@@LizAmazing yes...we know they are the number 1 seller...however...at this point the thing they seem to care about is nothing but profit..which is good...but not to the point of self destruction ..they need to wake up and change...have a good weekend...
The RV companies need to do more checks on the RVs before they let people buy them. It's just a good thing the problems this RV had wasn't life threatening. When people use their hard earned money they shouldn't have to endure all these problems.
Great video xx
So many of these units seem to be slapped together in a matter of hours by untrained and overstressed workers. While far from trouble free and at the end of the day a Thor product, I feel confident about overall quality of our 2018 pre covid Airstream
That is quite a dilemma & for that kind of money there’s no excuses from sound of the whole thing was lemon 🍋. At least you the dealer & staff trying make things right .
To improve the situation, lemon laws are needed. Also, for any rig financed, when it goes to the shop the payments and interest stop until the rig is fixed.
Way to go, Liz! You are rally making a difference.
I think we have seen this jack problem before. I'm just an average guy RVer. It seems that when a jack doesn't hold on the corner the weight of the RV over that point causes the frame to bend.
I think u hit this bent frame issue right on the nail's head, Paul. It just makes all the sense. I hat an issue with our RV that led to discover the problem was to park for long term the coach on a very unleveled spot.
TY Liz!! I hope some of the people you help get their issues taken care of "help" you too.
That’s made in America quality right there!
Thank you for the work you do !
You are so welcome! See you in my latest video right here: th-cam.com/video/BxCV3-wKdR4/w-d-xo.html
When you have a bent frame in any motor vehicle including a motorhome it becomes a salvage title vehicle and makes the resale value close to half of what the value would normally be! It's common knowledge in the automobile truck and RV industry!
And my wife and I came real close to buying one of these. We bartered hard on the price but we did not go for it.
I bought a used Holiday rambler class a for $26,000 back in 2006. Kept it for a few years and traveled periodically. Never had many problems but had just enough to understand that I'm going to get really screwed every time I need repairs. Ended up selling it for a bit of a loss just to get rid of it before somethingmajor happened. I feel like I got off easy and very
Lucky by not spending much up front and getting the RV bug completely out of my system, never to return to it. Ever.
Thanks for all of what you do, Liz. A lot of what we're seeing is the focus on bottom-line versus quality. Thor has single-handedly ruined the RV industry with these financial take-overs which changes the focus about the products being put out, even companies like Tiffin. By definition, an RV, particularly motorized, is the melding of a motorized drive system with a home system which is then subject to stresses to both systems going over the road. Quality is paramount considering the complexity of the systems involved, but we're not getting it. You can't cut corners on quality in materials or workmanship. Thor is charge and wants to cut costs to the bone. It shows.
This story had a happy ending! But Liz, how would an inspection found any of the issues? Nothing broke until a week or so on the road and the frame issue would take days, weeks or months to begin to weaken and show structural signs. The electrical issues would not show up on an ohm meter until it shorted, the generator would not of seemed crooked until it had some road miles bunching it. The slide-out was working fine at first, how would an inspector known the hot-water heater was not attached? Would the inspector wiggled it to see if it moves? So an inspection would only be good if ALL the issues were already obvious. The inspector would have done a visual inspection, turn lights on and off, turn water faucets on and off, pulled slide in and out, turn stove on and off, put stabilizers down and up, turn A/C on and checked w/ meter to see if temp range was good, turned generator on and off, etc. and would have given a green light and handed the owners an invoice stating all is good.
Their first two nights in it they noticed the autolevel not keeping it level and some electrical problems. Also an inspector would have inspected the roof and noticed the separation (if it had happened already). Great question, Joe, thanks for your comment!
thank you Liz, I was not trying to put an inspector down for what they do. Its just that these rigs are so badly put together that it would need to be inspected as it is being assembled. Too many issues are hid from sight. Nobody wants to take ownership. I truly believe this is the future of most if not all RV’s from travel trailers to motorhomes A, B, C, Super C etc. its not going to change for the better, I see it in all industries especially when you have one or two huge corporations owning all the brands. They only want to see the profit and bonuses and be gone as the CEO with a retirement package in the millions!
Great work Liz. Thank You
My new3 year old Rv has been in the repair shop all last summer and all this summer.
The “cash crunch” at RV dealerships has escalated over the past 12 months and will likely continue into the future. Margins on sales have dropped, costs of nearly everything has risen, and maintaining safety in cash flow is more critical than ever.
Beware of Covid coaches. We bought a 2020 Newmar King Aire that was built in 2019, and we have had it 2 years and only minor issues. We use NIRVC for repairs in Lewisville, and Brad needs to know they don't do anything until you call to check on your coach, then they all of a sudden get to working. It's frustrating, but they do fix things right but very slowly.
Hotels are sounding better and better.
especially at this age
Yeah, but watch out for those bedbugs.😂
Yeah because that's the same as camping. 😂
@@Itsa_Mea the older I get the more i want to stay home
@@brianne1547 I hope more people start doing that. Pain to even find a campsite last minute. Everything is usually booked and the prices per night at most the campgrounds we've stayed at in the past are now just rediculous.
Everybody, Stay home! 😁
Liz you are incredible! The advocacy iyou undertake for these good people is truly selfless and effective. If there is an award in this industry for someone who makes a difference you deserv it.
I think there should be more laws governing the rv industry. After all they are being driven on the same highways as the auto industry. They need to be safe. Also if the auto industry has a problem they recall and fix the issues.
The RV industry needs to follow the marine industry. The U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) inspects manufacturing plants and there is a strict construction code that must be followed. The USCG does not want loss of life due to an onboard fire or sinking. But in the RV world you can drive/tow a 20-30,000 pound RV down the freeway that has a bent frame/axles and is falling apart and no federal agency is taking responsibility for this. NHTSA should be doing this.
No quanities of life loss us occurring. That's why there's no involvement. Plus it is considered a pleasure/ luxury vehicle, not a necessity. They'd rather stay out of it.
So what is a yacht then, Itsa? A necessity?
I believe that the feds should regulate this industry, and just like with Liz, we should band together and tell the feds to get in this sector of manufacturing. Lives might've not been lost yet but, why not be proactive. I think, on the general we are ppl of age, approaching or already retired. The money we have is invested to enjoy RVing to enjoy the sunset of our lives. Living it's not easy, working is not easy, raising children had its moments, budgeting to save money was not easy either, same with dealing with sicknesses and doctors and hospital bills. So after all this, y'all decide to buy an RV to take it easy-ish.
Now y'all bought a Lemon, .. from a lemon orchard industry!
Is not the sacrifices y'all made to get to the sour realization that your fruit it's rotten?
Something DIED here. Your lifelong hopes & dreams were KILLED by an unscrupulous unregulated industry.
No consequences is not right. Liz Amazigly is accomplishing so much. She's just one (amazing) lady. What if she stopped doing what she's doing. Up the creek without a paddle picture comes to mind? What if we were, together, actively requesting federal oversight. jus-saying..
@@jccanifornian4252 yachts are Chartered with guests. RVs are not.
@@jccanifornian4252you really want that? If that happened RVs will be completely inaccessible to anyone not a millionaire.